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IRC Log for 2017-12-22

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[0:20] <Smeef> Does anyone know why "sudo FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 startx" works when I enter it via SSH, but doesn't work when it's in rc.local, even though other commands in rc.local work fine?
[0:21] <xacktm> dunno personally, I'd diff the two different X.org logs for a clue
[0:25] <Smeef> Disregard, it works if I add "sleep 30" before the line, I'll just play around to find the minimum time needed
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[0:27] <xacktm> that might indicate it needs another service to start before, the long term solution would be to find that dep :P
[0:29] <Smeef> Pfft, long term solution!?
[0:34] <xacktm> what if aliens suddenly instituted max clock frequencies and bootups are now 30x+ as long, how will you boot into your visual basic GUI to send ze missiles???
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[3:10] <extor> So can a pi zero actually boot to an OS and then launch like a browser with a few tabs or is that asking too much
[3:10] <extor> I wonder if it can replace my dell optiplex with 512MB RAM as a browsing/RDP machine
[3:10] <CoJaBo> Probably. Browsing the web on any pi might be pretty sluggish tho
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[3:11] <CoJaBo> Probably not as sluggish as a computer that ancient tho rofl
[3:11] <extor> Supposing instead of browsing the web all I did was fire up three or four RDP sessions to remotely browse
[3:12] <CoJaBo> Networking speed on the pi isn't stellar either, so that could impact RDP/VNC. You'll have to test it out to see.
[3:12] <extor> uhmm the RDP is over the internet actually
[3:13] <extor> And it's primarily what I use the optiplex for which is an E4400 core2duo
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[3:13] <extor> with 512MB DDR2-667 RAM
[3:14] <extor> From what I understand the pi zero also has 512MB or DDR2 ram
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[3:15] <ali1234> yeah but it also has an ARM CPU which is pretty slow, and a lack of proper accelerated video drivers
[3:16] <extor> I'm googling benchmarks now
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[3:17] <extor> Oh hah it has no onboard ethernet
[3:17] <ali1234> the rpi b 3 is roughly equivalent to a 3-4 year old smartphone and the zero is roughly equivalent to a 6-7 year old smartphone
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[3:18] <ali1234> flagship ones that is, like the zero is about as fast as a galaxy S
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[3:19] <ali1234> trouble is, none of them run android very well, and desktop operating systems aren't optimized for the hardware
[3:19] <extor> Yeah I am not a smartphone aficionado
[3:19] <extor> Can the pi run android as it's OS?
[3:19] <ziddey> low end*
[3:19] <ali1234> yes, it just doesn't work properly
[3:21] <extor> I wonder if an actually pi3 can beat my optiplex 330 with equal amounts of ram hah
[3:22] <extor> Sadly there's no SATA bridges yet so storage is just SAN or flash
[3:22] <CoJaBo> Just get USB-SATA :P
[3:23] <extor> I was even thinking of having like three or four pi zeros setup and booting up at the same time and maybe running RDP and ssh windows spread out across them but not sure if that will add any speed
[3:24] <extor> My hardware is so archaic that the only bluetoof devices I have are a cheap android phone and this pi zero w which I have yet to play with.
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[3:26] <ali1234> it depends what you use it for
[3:26] <ali1234> for web browsing i would expect them both to be pretty bad
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[3:26] <extor> Evidently the pi can load windows 10 too :O
[3:26] <ali1234> windows 10 IoT edition, which has no UI
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[3:27] <ali1234> and cannot run normal windows 10 software
[3:27] <extor> lol
[3:27] <extor> what's the point then
[3:27] <extor> even android has a UI
[3:27] <ali1234> i dunno, ask microsoft
[3:28] <CoJaBo> lol
[3:28] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure the point is to lock people into the microsoft ecosystem
[3:28] <CoJaBo> ^
[3:28] <ali1234> because you program it with .NET
[3:28] <CoJaBo> They want to be THE platform for IOT, but they lack an actual platform for IOT.
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[3:29] <ali1234> Windows 10 IoT is just windows CE all over again
[3:29] <CoJaBo> Hence, that catastrophe.
[3:30] <extor> Didnt CE have a gui
[3:30] <ali1234> sometimes
[3:30] <red9> We are still reminded of analytic equipment in the > $100 000 class that are stuck with Windows XP or CE and network.. No updates. Just pray your firewall and endpoint is protexted.
[3:31] <ali1234> sometimes it didn't, like in industrial equipment ^
[3:31] <CoJaBo> I repaired an MS-DOS machine last year
[3:31] <extor> I was thinking of installing XP again
[3:32] <extor> It's a pretty lean OS
[3:32] <red9> The Pi should have some "Microsoft is bad for you - boot halted" ;-)
[3:32] <CoJaBo> That'd be Microsoft-levels of evil tho.
[3:32] <ali1234> windows basically already does that all the time anyway
[3:32] <red9> yeah, Windows XP had about the right feature/demand mix.
[3:32] <extor> NT 4 was a pretty snappy OS, XP became sluggish
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[3:33] <extor> Sadly I doubt NT4 has any drivers for modern boxes but then again modern for me is 6-10 years old
[3:33] <red9> What about Windows Server <whatever year> ?
[3:33] <extor> makes me happy
[3:33] <extor> nt4 and server were the same I think
[3:33] <extor> NT4 is just nt 3.51 with that apple desktop
[3:34] <red9> CoJaBo, How fast and much ram did that msdos machine have?
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[3:35] <red9> extor, actually "new" seems to matter less now. Processor seems to not go faster than 4.5 GHz. So programmers that makes the most usage of those cycles "wins".
[3:35] <extor> Well there's also cores and cache and other stuff that keeps rising
[3:35] <red9> sure, but that is parallism and memory. Not speed per se.
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[3:37] <red9> Just like FPGA will easily exploit parallelism and pipelines. But suck at any task that is strictly dependent on the previous computing step.
[3:37] <CoJaBo> red9: Dunno; was a PSU issue, so never looked
[3:37] <red9> (because LUT and interconnection will add lag compared to any ASIC and thus be slower)
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[3:38] <red9> CoJaBo, What did they use the msdos machine for?
[3:38] <CoJaBo> red9: It was from the “generic beige tower with 3½" floppy” era
[3:39] <CoJaBo> It ran some industrial machine, CNC I think
[3:39] <CoJaBo> The one I fixed before that was a POS server
[3:39] <CoJaBo> I think that was also a failed PSU
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[3:45] <red9> Anyone used a mobilephone as a I/O controller?
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[3:46] <extor> What i/o does a mobile control that it would be used for
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[3:47] <Boobie> does LoveRPI make acceptable products
[3:49] <red9> extor, Well you could attach a wind meter to the volume button (gpio) and measure wind speed over GSM/UTMS that way.
[3:49] <CoJaBo> Also works great for IEDs
[3:50] <red9> Most phones got some gpio like volume and home button + usb. The problem is software and bootloader.
[3:50] <red9> CoJaBo, well that's a fact of life. It's not like the Pi is immune to such usage either.
[3:51] <CoJaBo> Yeh, but pi doesn't have built-in mobile network support :P
[3:51] <red9> mobile phones also have low power mode and built in battery management.
[3:52] <red9> CoJaBo, There's small GSM modules that can fix that.
[3:54] <red9> If they wanted to catch such devices used for bad purposes. Newly introduced units in an area that just idling is a dead giveaway.
[3:55] <tnewman_> updated!! https://travnewmatic.com/index.php/2017/12/21/dnsmasq-nfs-and-a-pi-3/
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[4:06] <CoJaBo> red9: TIL tourists who don't use their phone 24/7 are IEDs
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[4:10] <red9> TIL?
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[4:22] <uriah> red9: today I learned
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[4:44] <BenderRodriguez> CoJaBo!!!!
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[5:44] <norlevo> anyone mind having a look at my iptables? it works but I have no idea about best practices and stuff https://pastebin.com/FJjXkTMR
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[5:54] <CoJaBo> BenderRodriguez: eh‽
[5:54] <CoJaBo> I remember that nick..
[5:57] <norlevo> do you two have a thing going?
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[6:01] <CoJaBo> ..why does everyone always say that
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[6:15] <norlevo> because you loooove him
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[8:14] <xxoxx> running xchat on pi3
[8:15] <xxoxx> pi3 with raspbian desktop seems snappy enough
[8:15] <xxoxx> but remote X sessions seem extremely slow
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[8:30] <Lartza> xxoxx, Use hexchat
[8:30] <xxoxx> ok
[8:31] <Lartza> Won't fix your X problem but
[8:31] <Lartza> xchat is abandoned
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[8:46] <Latrina> good morning
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[8:50] <norlevo> morning Latrina
[8:50] <Latrina> sup?
[8:51] <norlevo> nice name you got there
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[8:51] <norlevo> does 'Latrine' mean 'toilet' where you're from too?
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[8:53] <Latrina> not to be confused with whatever toilet
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[9:56] <maxagaz> hi
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[9:59] <maxagaz> I'm trying to connect to my wifi with my raspberry but it doesn't work, I've edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf, but when running ifconfig, no new ip address is set
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[9:59] <maxagaz> can someone help about it ?
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[10:07] <shiftplusone> maxagaz: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo journalctl' ?
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[10:24] <maxagaz> shiftplusone, wlan0: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
[10:25] <maxagaz> shiftplusone, Line 6: too long ssid (len=61 max_len=32)
[10:25] <maxagaz> shiftplusone, Line 6: failed to parse ssid '"\xE7\xBD\xAE\xE6\x8D\xA2\xE4\xBA\x91_\xE5\x85\x8D\xE8\xB4\xB9"'.
[10:25] <maxagaz> shiftplusone, Line 10: failed to parse network block.
[10:26] <maxagaz> shiftplusone, Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
[10:29] <shauno> what on earth is your ssid set to?
[10:31] <shiftplusone> "\xE7\xBD\xAE\xE6\x8D\xA2\xE4\xBA\x91_\xE5\x85\x8D\xE8\xB4\xB9" =P
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[10:32] <shiftplusone> From some mailing list:
[10:33] <shiftplusone> > The ssid field already accepts hex SSIDs if you do something like:>> ssid=AABBCCDD1199>> ie, by not enclosing the SSID in quotes.
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[10:34] <shiftplusone> shauno: 置换云_免费
[10:34] <shiftplusone> "Replace cloud _ free"... somehow I don't think that's an accurate translation
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[10:36] <maxagaz> shauno, it's an essid in Chinese
[10:36] <shiftplusone> E7BDAEE68DA2E4BA915FE5858DE8B4B9
[10:36] <shiftplusone> try that without quote marks
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[10:37] <shiftplusone> ssid=E7BDAEE68DA2E4BA915FE5858DE8B4B9
[10:38] <shiftplusone> no idea if I did the conversion right, but you get the idea
[10:38] <shauno> it looks convincing
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[10:39] <shauno> (looking at http://blog.mosquito.work/2016/03/wpasupplicant-configuration-with.html .. they've done exactly the same thing, just you've had to map _ into 5f too)
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[10:41] <shiftplusone> I think there's an old github issue about using emoji in the ssid (*groan*).... I guess I have an answer for that too now.
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[10:43] <shiftplusone> If it helps with doing that sort of thing in the future: printf "\xE7\xBD\xAE\xE6\x8D\xA2\xE4\xBA\x91_\xE5\x85\x8D\xE8\xB4\xB9" | od -A n -t x1 | tr -d ' ' | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
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[14:51] <swensson> Anyone here that got a noir rasperry camera with the "lights" on both sides? I can't get it see in the dark... I got a little plastic cheet like 1x1cm, do I have to use that somehow? :O
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[14:52] <webdev007> can you link to the version you are referring to?
[14:52] <webdev007> I mean, is it this one? https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-noir-camera-v2/
[14:53] <swensson> Yeah that's the one, with IR-lights also...https://www.kjell.com/se/image/Product_560907sv/full/1/luxorparts-ir-stralkastarmodul-1-w-2-pack?636289029353521407
[14:55] <webdev007> woah. I suspected you didn't have an IR light source.
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[14:55] <webdev007> I purchased one, just bare bones
[14:56] <webdev007> and it came with a little filter / piece of plastic (they talk about it on the site)
[14:56] <swensson> yeah same here
[14:56] <webdev007> and I had to have an IR light source, so I purchased two IR LEDs
[14:56] <webdev007> the image looked almost the same as normal camera (seemed a little washed out)
[14:56] <webdev007> but when I dimmed the light
[14:56] <webdev007> *lights - and turned on the IR leds
[14:56] <webdev007> you could see them on the camera
[14:56] <swensson> How did you turn them on? :O
[14:57] <webdev007> image, where as in real life, you couldn't see the IR leds turn on
[14:57] <webdev007> for me, they were just raw IR LEDs that I wired up to GPIO pins
[14:57] <webdev007> maybe your IR LEDs aren't turning on?
[14:57] <swensson> Mine are just connected to the camera via screws..
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[14:59] <swensson> Sure feels like the ir isn't on tho
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[15:01] <BurtyB> swensson, how are you powering the IR leds?
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[15:01] <swensson> As said, the ir leds are connected to the "bare metal(?)" of the camera and I think they are connected like that? :O
[15:02] <swensson> Not really something to connect to BurtyB ^
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[15:03] <BurtyB> aiui you either haven't got the official camera or your're not powering it as the official cameras don't have power on the screw holes
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[15:05] <swensson> It's the offical camera... Hmm how should I power them then :O
[15:05] <BurtyB> swensson, ask them, or https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=152893 might help
[15:05] <webdev007> hrm. yeah, I used the camera @ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-noir-camera-v2/ and http://www.microcenter.com/product/432072/Infrared_Emitting_Diode_-_PN_Gallium_Arsenide and it worked fine for me
[15:06] <webdev007> although, I don't use it anymore, because that one LED isn't bright enough -- I've been looking at things like https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pisupply/bright-pi-bright-white-and-ir-camera-light-for-ras if I pick it up again
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[15:28] <mlankhorst> how do I prevent fog from affecting the camera?
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> don't use the camera when foggy :)
[15:29] <mlankhorst> it's at a fixed spot outdoors unfortunately, pi is inside
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> it's really more for reflected IR than emitted IR
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> assuming you mean the noir camera.
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[15:34] <mlankhorst> yeah true
[15:34] <swensson> So I've done some reading and it needs 3v but I got nowhere to connect the power to -.-
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> are there no images showing how those LED units connect to the camera?
[15:35] <swensson> Yeah it is, but that one only shows the leds connected to the camera via screws, nothing else. But reading on the IR-leds in require power -.-
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> you don't get something for nothing..
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> have you tried measureing the voltage over the screw terminals?
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> maybe the Pi camera powers them...
[15:36] <swensson> That's what I thought, but it doesn't
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[16:34] <mlankhorst> I found the root cause at least, some condensation built up on the cable, wiped off the drops and have a clear signal at least :)
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[18:09] <soul-d> you know the boltflashing sybol is big enough to actualy have something like undervolt text cause people are stupid
[18:09] <soul-d> i always thought it meant loading :P
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> But it's intuitive!
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Everyone knows that a flashing bolt means undervoltage.
[18:14] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[18:16] <soul-d> :P explains why it isn't preforming very well either i guess :P
[18:16] <soul-d> ofcourse i had to figure it out afther i typed apt..upgrade
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure that undervolting will affect performance. It may cause SD card corruption that that's something else.
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[18:22] <soul-d> i was super smart back then to do a split thing to so i have a usb hd thingy where / is only boot is on the sd card
[18:23] <soul-d> i only figured out because dchp din't work and some post mentioned undervoltage so then the bolt sparked an idea
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[18:35] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, undervolt will throttle
[18:35] <soul-d> as so it happens i do normaly set the governour to performance to
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> will it? It never used to - or at least that was never reported as a feature. Ah well. progress. fwiw: i don't use the goernator and fix the clock speed anyway, but I guess that can be overridden.
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[18:38] <soul-d> weird hasn't flashed yet since reboot
[18:38] <soul-d> was there a bug in it ?
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[18:38] <soul-d> i just restarted pi like since a year or so
[18:39] <soul-d> oh no just idle :P
[18:40] <soul-d> meh probably should fix it apt-update drops down to like 100 kb/s
[18:40] <soul-d> for reading
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> apt is slow anyway.
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[18:41] <soul-d> on my normal pc its as fast as hd
[18:41] <soul-d> including interwebs
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> it does a stupid amount of drive access - which is slow on the Pi.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> it's lots and lots of little file operations.
[18:43] <soul-d> probably more so if disk is usb and network is lan
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> that won't help.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> a-ha: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82373
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[20:27] <elim_garak> hello, i am running pi off of a usb connection
[20:28] <Lartza> pi3?
[20:28] <elim_garak> i am trying to plug in a usb3 external hdd to that pi and every time i do, it kills the pi. It looses power. Im assuming its pulling to much power to run both. Is there a link somewhere that tells me how much power i can pull off of usb ( i think its 2.5) and do you know of any solutions? This is a pi 2b
[20:28] <Lartza> The Pi can supply 1.2A
[20:29] <Lartza> But your USB port isn't nearly enough
[20:29] <Lartza> To power even a single Pi most of the time
[20:29] <Lartza> tldr buy a power supply
[20:30] <Lartza> USB2 is technically 700mA or 500mA but desktop motherboards may be able to supply more
[20:30] <elim_garak> so the usb cord is giving it 1.2A give or take, and the power supply would igve it the full 5A ?
[20:30] <Lartza> No, the Pi can give the HDD 1.2A
[20:31] <Lartza> The USB cord is at worst giving the Pi 500mA
[20:31] <Lartza> Buy a power supply
[20:31] <elim_garak> I have a pi power supply
[20:31] <Lartza> Then use that
[20:31] <elim_garak> i guess I will try that next
[20:31] <Lartza> Realistically you shouldn't expect to run anything but Zero from a USB port even though you possibly can
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[20:37] <kerio> Lartza: usb 2 is 500mA
[20:39] <shauno> (usb2 is upto 2100mA. 500mA predates the usb charging spec. it's not 1998 anymore)
[20:40] <rpdom> Best not to hotplug USB devices that use lots of power. Otherwise USB HDD should work fine. I use USB3.0 2TB drives on a couple of my Pi 3Bs.
[20:42] <rpdom> Is the 2B running recent firmware? Original firmware limited current to 600mA total unless an option was set. Current FW sets it to 1200mA.
[20:44] <Lartza> rpdom, config.txt option
[20:44] <Lartza> Wait
[20:44] <Lartza> Is it default now?
[20:44] <Lartza> I misread
[20:45] <rpdom> Yes, it is default now on all Pi that support it.
[20:45] <Lartza> Cool
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> mostly because it's not controllable on the v3.
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[20:51] <Lartza> Is there any scenario where it would even make sense to limit it on Pi2?
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[20:55] <rpdom> That limit came in with the B+ IIRC. Limiting the current might be a good idea if the PSU couldn't cope with it.
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[20:58] <Lartza> But in my experience usually PSU's can't even cope with the 600mA
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it seemed like a good idea at the time..
[20:58] <Lartza> At least what people generally have if it's not the official time :P
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> the limiting chip itself is fitted to the v3 as far as I'm aware, but the control signal isn't connected. It is supposed to provide a soft-start to the current and still limit it to 1.2A, so supposedly preventing things like the PSU being crowbarred when you plug in e.g. a disk drive..
[21:00] <rpdom> The official PSU seems to cope just fine with 1.2A for me
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> it should.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I suspect elim_garak might not be..
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[21:06] <GenteelBen> elim_garak is not to be trusted, despite his claims that he's but a simple tailor.
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[21:21] <Encrypt> Ah ah
[21:21] <Encrypt> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/makerspot/raspberry-pi-zero-docking-hub?ref=category&ref=discovery
[21:22] <Encrypt> It looks like someone has had the idea... to create a bopard for the Pi Zero to make is a Pi 3
[21:23] <Encrypt> board* to make it*
[21:23] <rpdom> That would make it a Pi B+ unless you upgrade the RAM and CPUs as well. Nice idea, but cheaper to get a Pi3
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[21:24] <Encrypt> rpdom, Yeah, that's the point
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> sometimes people use kickstarter as a way to judge interest in something..
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[23:41] <Maai> anyone with a search on logging sdcard activity into a file so I can watch why my led0 blinks every 5 seconds?
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[23:46] <ShorTie> sure it's not the heartbeat ??
[23:47] <Maai> it is pretty random
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