#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-12-23

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[2:26] <squirrel> i mounted an external ntfs usb hdd and am trying to rsync some stuff into a loopback device situated in a file on that hdd
[2:26] <squirrel> i'm getting >4 load avg on rpi3 and a whopping 100kb/s transfer rate
[2:27] <squirrel> pls tell me at what point my iq went through the floor
[2:28] <squirrel> ...the loopback is ext4
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[2:34] <squirrel> ...ntfs-3g
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[2:37] <stiv> so basically doing reads/writes to the same usb hdd
[2:38] <squirrel> mostly writes, but yeah
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[2:39] <squirrel> the exact mount command is /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/hdd -o rw,umask=077,gid=1000,uid=1000,big_writes
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[3:24] <ball> I think my New Year's resolution will be to work more with my Raspberry Pi.
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[3:39] <norlevo> I agree, to hell with eating better and working out
[3:39] <norlevo> work more on my raspberry pi is a more reachable ambition
[3:40] <ball> norlevo: Well, I could do with exercising more too ;-)
[3:41] <ShorTie> couldn't we all
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[3:52] * ball prices up a BeagleBone Black
[3:52] <MichaelOF> hi all. I want to follow this hint for installation of a headless pi 2: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/ what exactly is the mentioned "/boot/" directory?? On partition "boot", type VFAT, there's no /boot directory. Tried to create it, created an empty file called "ssh", booted the pi: no sshd running, "connection refused". /boot directory on partition rootfs, type ext4,
[3:52] <MichaelOF> exists, but is empty. not tried, as docs are talking about the FAT partition.
[3:53] <MichaelOF> fyi downloaded the raspbian stretch with desktop image from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[3:54] <ShorTie> you got windows pc ??
[3:55] <ShorTie> the /boot is the 1st partition which is fat formated
[3:56] <ShorTie> sounds like you mount the 2nd partition
[3:57] <MichaelOF> I'm on linux and I've mounted both, now
[3:57] <ShorTie> don't need both
[3:58] <MichaelOF> could it be that the "ssh" file must be on root level of "boot" partition?
[3:58] <ShorTie> ya
[3:58] <MichaelOF> so the docs are wrong... thank you!
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[4:02] <ShorTie> to mount boot properly, you gotta moune the 2nd partition 1st
[4:03] <ShorTie> then mount the 1st partition as 2nd partition/boot
[4:03] <ShorTie> only way to fill /boot properly
[4:10] <MichaelOF> as usual, in Linux :-) fine for me, now. I was only confused that https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/ explicitely mentions /boot/ --> directory <--. which simply does not exist when you access the sdcard
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[4:10] <ball> MichaelOF: That may just be sloppy writing.
[4:10] <ball> ...or outdated, if people were used to mounting that there.
[4:11] <MichaelOF> and some web founds mentions that you can only do this once, before the img has been expanded to the full sdard size
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[4:12] <MichaelOF> ball: sure, and all are volunteers. I'm only asking because I as a user familiar with Linux for years was confused, so I guess newbies to raspi AND linux might be lost in space :-)
[4:12] <ball> I'm not all that familiar with Linux so I'm not sure what it does on a Pi.
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[4:14] <pclark36> MichaelOF: if you google pi3 gridcoin confuest, you'll get a long article about what he went through to get it running.
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[4:16] <MichaelOF> spammers here in the irc channel??
[4:17] <MichaelOF> I'm not interested in gridcoin
[4:17] <MichaelOF> ball: works now!
[4:17] <ball> MichaelOF: Jolly good.
[4:17] <MichaelOF> ShorTie: Thank you !!
[4:17] <MichaelOF> ball: thank you, too
[4:19] <ball> MichaelOF: You're welcome. I'm glad ShorTie was able to help you.
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[9:17] <Lartza> my god microsd cards are literally the easiest things to lose
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[9:41] <Boobie> Lartza, get a microSD case
[9:43] <Lartza> :O Why haven't I thought of that
[9:45] <Boobie> I use this one and keep it in my wallet
[9:45] <Boobie> https://www.amazon.com/Micro-SD-card-holder-BLUE/dp/B006J73RAI
[9:46] <Lartza> Yeah I gotta buy one after christmas
[9:46] <Lartza> Currently fighting with Plex because it refuses to allow me remote access
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[9:49] <Lartza> Except it was lying...
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[10:51] <norlevo> my routing table seems to change from time to time...is there a way to configure a static routing table perhaps? (raspbian stretch)
[10:52] <norlevo> the internet suggest /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-eth0 which doesn't exist anymore
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[11:28] <norlevo> I got it figured out, it was a misconfigured "static routers=" in dhcpcd.conf
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[11:30] <norlevo> there are so many tutorials/walkthroughs not working at the moment because of interfaces/dhcpcd.conf :/
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you want stuff to stay the same old way...
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[15:08] <Stagnation> hey guys, my pi wont turn on when powered I think Its shorted somehow. Is there any way to fix it?
[15:09] <Stagnation> or its a bin it buy a new one situation?
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[15:11] <GenteelBen> Stagnation: is anything plugged into it besides the power cable?
[15:11] <GenteelBen> Take out the SD card and any other cables.
[15:11] <Stagnation> no
[15:12] <GenteelBen> You sure it's not the power adapter?
[15:12] <Stagnation> my other pi works fine using the same adapter
[15:12] <GenteelBen> Are they both identical Pi models?
[15:13] <Stagnation> yes pi 3 m B
[15:13] <GenteelBen> Then yeah I'd guess your Pi is broken somehow.
[15:13] <GenteelBen> How old is it?
[15:13] <Stagnation> not that old bought it about 6 months ago
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[15:13] <GenteelBen> Are you in the EU? You have a two-year warranty on electronics.
[15:14] <GenteelBen> Unless it stopped working through misuse, you're entitled to a replacement or repair.
[15:14] <Stagnation> there were a few tutorials for the pi 2, testing a fuse component. but I cant find a schematic for the pi 3
[15:14] <Stagnation> ah ok
[15:15] <GenteelBen> I'm sure there are raspists in here who can dig out a Pi 3 schematic.
[15:15] <DusXMT> it could also be a damaged chip, especially if you touched them with your bare hand
[15:15] <DusXMT> (electrostatic discharge)
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[15:16] <Stagnation> its possible
[15:16] <Stagnation> a pi 3 schematic with the relevant fuse to test, I couldnt find
[15:17] <Stagnation> Im wondering whether to sell it on ebay to someone who might be able to fix/use it
[15:17] <Stagnation> but cant see any market for it, seems a shame to just bin it
[15:18] <pwillard> its not like they are hard to kill.
[15:18] <Stagnation> this happens a lot?
[15:19] <rpdom> Does the main chip get hot? Does the red PWR LED light up properly?
[15:20] <rpdom> If the fuse has "blown" you should leave the Pi powered off for at least 24 hours and it should reset.
[15:20] <GenteelBen> Stagnation: sell it on eBay.
[15:21] <GenteelBen> "Raspberry Pi 3, as new, only used once a week to mine DogeCoin."
[15:21] <Stagnation> pi 3 as new, recently washed
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[15:23] <Stagnation> rpdom: so no lights turn on when powered, I plugged it in now to see if anything happens
[15:24] <Stagnation> ok so I did soldier a fan to the GND and 5v run terminals
[15:24] <Stagnation> but ive removed it, if those two got shorted somehow it might have caused it to brick
[15:25] <rpdom> That could have blown the fuse. It should recover in time after being left without power.
[15:25] <Stagnation> its been a week or so, so it should have recovered by now
[15:26] <rpdom> Yes, it should have recovered.
[15:26] <Stagnation> oh wait, this is new. its making a low hissing noise
[15:27] <rpdom> That may not be good
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[15:29] <rpdom> The fuse is component F1 on the underside of the board. It's marked 266F on the one I have here. I believe it is rated 2.6A.
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[15:30] <Stagnation> 226K?
[15:31] <Stagnation> maybe ill try and bypas the fuse
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> don't do that.
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> the Pi doesn't have any audio on-board - if it's hissing then the magic black smoke is escaping somewhere.
[15:38] <kerio> D:
[15:39] <GenteelBen> Would it not be cheaper to just buy a new Pi, Stagnation?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> however it could also be the SMPS regulators running in such a way to produce an audio signal - in this case something has gone wrong somewhere - probably your soldering.
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> go on, give us a laugh - show us a photo of your soldering..
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[15:40] <dan3wik> I've had a Pi hiss because of a poor power supply before.
[15:41] <GenteelBen> You sure it wasn't a snake?
[15:43] <dan3wik> I've also nuked a pi by momentarily touching the 5v to 3.3v.
[15:43] <Stagnation> mate it's F'd in the A already, I'm about to bin it
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[15:43] <dan3wik> The Pi2 still boots but draws around 8 watts idling and gpio doesn't work.
[15:44] <Stagnation> and my soldiering is on point
[15:44] <dan3wik> You haven't dropped any solder balls elsewhere on the board?
[15:44] <Stagnation> yeah I'll buy a new one
[15:46] <Stagnation> in other news, does anyone have experience in setting up a NAS with a pi at all?
[15:46] <dan3wik> A Pi as a NAS or connecting a Pi to a NAS?
[15:46] <Stagnation> pi as a nas
[15:47] <Stagnation> right now I have storage connected to the pi and transfer files through vnc
[15:48] <Stagnation> but surely there is a better way
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[15:52] <dan3wik> You could set up a variety of file servers.
[15:52] <dan3wik> FTP, Samba, NFS
[15:53] <Stagnation> ah I tried samba, couldnt figure it out
[15:53] <dan3wik> Samba should be pretty easy to set up with a bit of googling.
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[15:53] <dan3wik> I'm sure there is a guide somewhere for the Pi.
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[15:54] <dan3wik> Samba seems to work the best if accessing from windows.
[15:56] <Stagnation> all methods I tried is of course backed up by extensive googling
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> didn't your googling suggest that using a Pi as a NAS will be somewhat sub-optimal?
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[16:04] <Stagnation> how so?
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[16:08] <Stagnation> why would it be sub optimal?
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[16:13] <dan3wik> The way the Pi uses ethernet on the USB hub means that a lot of IO will slow down when using Ethernet and a bulk IO USB device.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> even if not using a USB disk the SD isn't the fastest of things ...
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> It will work, just not give you anywhere near the performance of a dedicated NAS system, nor a PC running the same stuff.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> I use Intel Atom boards with SATA drives for home (and small office) NAS type things.
[16:16] <dan3wik> My NAS is an x86 netgear nas that I put debian on, runs RAID5 over 3 drives.
[16:17] <dan3wik> Even has usb ports and VGA.
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I've a funny feeling they're not making Atoms anymore though.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is a great little system, but it's not everything for everyone.
[16:22] <ShadowJK> They do make atoms
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I do keep meaning to try a pair of USB drives on one in a RAID-1 setup just to see how bad (or slightly less than optimal) it might be.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> ShadowJK, aren't they on the way out though?
[16:23] <ShadowJK> iirc they recently released new ones?
[16:24] <ShadowJK> https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146/intel-launches-gemini-lake-pentium-silver-and-celeron-socs-new-cpu-media-features
[16:24] <ShadowJK> The phone atoms and tablet atoms are probably dying off though.
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Looks like I might be OK for a few years yet then :)
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[16:26] <ShadowJK> I was recently trying to find a new cheap-ish computer (destop) for my mom, and the sub-$500 segment was populated with Atoms
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> a little NAS box doesn't need any of the multimedia stuff built into the cores though, so some of that is a waste. a nice little < 10w TDP processor/system with 4 sata ports and Gb Ethernet (or 2)
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> however it doesn't have a high drool factor for the millenials ...
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[16:27] <ShadowJK> Most boards you find seem to have 2 ports only
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> moved my mother in-law to Apple recently - she now has a nice mac book air thing.
[16:27] <ShadowJK> Atleast when IDe still existed that was vaguely acceptable, could put os on some ide drive and have two ports left for raid storage
[16:27] <r3> gordonDrogon: I use PCEngines boards for stuff like that - they're very nice! https://www.pcengines.ch/
[16:27] <Stagnation> sorry guys got disconnected there, I was interested in all yall NAS setups
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> r3, the alix boards - I used them some time back.
[16:28] <r3> I've a pair of the APU2 series and I love 'em!!
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I used them as small office PBXs for a while. Booted of CF drives.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I was getting them in nice 150mm square cases too.
[16:29] <Stagnation> dan3wik: you use an old router ?an x86 netgear?
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I have one kicking about my floor - and nothing to do with it. hm.
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[16:29] <r3> their cases are nice as well, gordonDrogon, even though the black ones seem to be fingerprint magnets
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[16:30] <Stagnation> gordonDrogon: how much was did you NAS setup cost
[16:31] <Stagnation> wow kinda failed with english there for a sec
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[16:32] <r3> Stagnation: I am still running a Synology DS1511+ here. It has been rock solid and currently has 40TB configured
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, hard to tell - I've been building PCs, etc. for decades, so it's often out of spare parts, etc. (for my own home/office, not for customers).
[16:33] <Stagnation> ah ok
[16:33] <Stagnation> 40tb jees
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> it would be about �50-�60 for an Atom mobo + 1GB of RAM then the disks - whatever I wanted.
[16:33] <Stagnation> thats a large porn collection XD
[16:34] <Stagnation> gordon oh thats not too bad
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[16:35] <gordonDrogon> we don't do cd/dvd ripping here, nor torrneting, so it's just digital photos mostly and a few documents.
[16:35] <GenteelBen> 40TB? That's like the swap file for a proper porn collection.
[16:35] <r3> the problem with using an old PC that claims to have a RAID controller on it is that the RAID controllers are never any good... at least my experience. I wanted something that was dedicated to the task, and Synology really fit that bill. The drives are hot-swappable, and you could put different size drives into it, and it will work with them. It also has undergone some "live" drive
[16:35] <r3> upgrades. It didn't always used to have 10TB drives in it. I think I started with 3TB drives. Over time, I've upgraded it and it has migrated the data flawlessly.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> /dev/md6 3.6T 1.6T 1.8T 48% /var/space
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> is what the home one is currently.
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[16:38] <Stagnation> r3 do you have a setup where it'l back up a drive if it fails?
[16:38] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Have you considered trying Sia to sell the storage space you don't use? :P
[16:38] <Stagnation> or is that inherant in all RAID setups
[16:38] <r3> Stagnation: the NAS can lose one whole drive and it will still operate. I have a cold spare. So with mine, all I do is pop out the old drive and pop in the new one. Done.
[16:39] <Stagnation> I want this lol
[16:39] <Stagnation> check me out trying to setup a noob pi system
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, are you kidding? So one day I get a knock on the door - excuse me sir, can I see the contents of your hard drive ... suuuure ....
[16:40] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, You can't know what you're hosting and files are encrypted + splitted anyway
[16:40] <r3> It isn't inhearent in all RAID setups. This is RAID5 (or Synology's version of it). There exists RAID0 that cannot survive a drive failure.
[16:40] <Stagnation> r3 what was the hardware you a re using for your NAS?
[16:40] <Encrypt> So, you're hosting blocks of data
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, except that in the UK if I can't supply the keys I go to jail.
[16:40] <r3> inherent*
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> without trial.
[16:41] <r3> Stagnation: I said, it is a Synology DS1511+. Have a google. With 5 Seagate 10TB drives, currently.
[16:41] <Encrypt> Hum
[16:42] <r3> The nice thing about the Synology is that it is an out-of-the-box solution. AND it *will* work with any ol' drives you have laying about. Some NAS are picky that they all must be the same size, same make, same model. Not this. It will make a volume with what you have.
[16:42] <Stagnation> thats a pricy system though
[16:42] <Stagnation> sounds worth it of course
[16:43] <r3> If you can get around some of the goofy software that is available for it, it's miles ahead of anything I could put together out of old parts.
[16:43] <Zardoz> syno=win
[16:43] <r3> Stagnation: well, it is an investment. My data is worth it.
[16:43] <Stagnation> you say you have 40tb but 5 10tb drives? what is the other drive used for?
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, usable storage + drive failure recovery is typical usage for something like that.
[16:44] <Zardoz> redundancy
[16:44] <r3> that's part of the RAID magic. Google RAID5. The drives are all used so that it can survive a single drive failure and still operate. I think that it can survive another drive failing but then it would halt.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> so if one drive fails the other takes over.
[16:44] <Stagnation> I need it to back up old psd files and artwork, so backing up a failed drive would be something id need to look into
[16:45] <Zardoz> it's a parity drive to rebuild from in the case of a drive loss.
[16:45] <Stagnation> nice
[16:45] <r3> plus it is a speed thing, where it can write a bit to all 5 drives faster than one could write everything to a single drive.
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[16:46] <Stagnation> so you plug an old drive in and it automatically absorbs and backs up the data to all the other drives?
[16:46] <Zardoz> I get about 105MB/s off my network.
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[16:46] <r3> my Synology is also configured with twin network links thus doubling the bandwidth. Your switch must support it, Link Aggregation is what it is called, but then I can really hit it from multiple clients.
[16:46] <Zardoz> raid is not a bnackup
[16:47] <Zardoz> backup
[16:47] <r3> Stagnation, no, if you were to put a drive into the Synology, all data on that drive would be lost as it is "absorbed" into the RAID structure. You must configure the NAS to have a 'volume' on it, which is where you would place your data.
[16:48] <Stagnation> i see
[16:48] <r3> that volume exists on the many drives in the NAS and is only accessable through the network.
[16:48] <Stagnation> Thats what I want
[16:48] <r3> but what I was saying is that if you had 5 old drives of different sizes and makes, you could use the Synology to create this 'volume' out of those drives.
[16:48] <Stagnation> I guess it wouldnt be worth trying to set it up with a pi
[16:49] <r3> no, the Pi just isn't built for this, nor does it have the correct connections.
[16:50] <r3> setting up the volume, synology will guide you through it ... have a look at this 4-bay NAS: https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS918+
[16:51] <r3> er, sorry, this one: https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS418
[16:51] <Zardoz> 918+ is a nice unit\
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[16:51] <r3> sure, but the 418 is a bit more reasonable for home users
[16:51] <Zardoz> yeah but 918+
[16:52] <Zardoz> lol
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[16:53] <r3> I can't say enough good things about mine. It has been running 24x7 for years and years. With good quality (Seagate) drives, it is a rock-solid mountain of data storage. Worth every single penny. But it is a long-term investment...
[16:53] <Stagnation> its a thing of beauty
[16:53] <r3> indeed.
[16:53] <Stagnation> well something just got added to my christmas list
[16:53] <r3> I now return the channel to the usual Pi-related fun. Sorry for the hijacking. Cheers!
[16:54] * r3 runs off for a while
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> found something for my xmas list, but it costs waaay more than I'm willing to pay and postage is over �700!!!
[16:54] <Stagnation> has made any interesting pi zero projects at all?
[16:55] <uriah> gordonDrogon: lol what is it?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> uriah, ebay 202145939533
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, I'm playing with a pdp-8 emulator based on a Pi0. I didn't design the emulator box though - that's just some clever leds and buttons.
[16:56] <uriah> wow
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> uriah, the very first computer I ever used was one of those.
[16:56] <uriah> nice
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[16:59] * caoliver did his first programming on one of these: ebay 162634512690
[16:59] <Stagnation> for £700 you might as well pick it up yourself, go on a little road trip to america
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[17:07] <red9> caoliver, Even a 8-bit homecomputer would be a relief from that thing ;)
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[17:09] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, There is a computing association not far from you
[17:09] <caoliver> Home computers of the era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800
[17:10] <Encrypt> And my previous University had nice vintage stuff :P
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> caoliver, not finding that on rbay...
[17:11] <caoliver> gordonDrogon, try US ebay.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, road trip? it's a bit wet crossing the atlantic first..
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> I did, but it's an Altair then cool...
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, what association?
[17:11] <caoliver> First computer with high level languages was a PDP-11/34.
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[17:12] <caoliver> First in my life that is.
[17:12] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, BCS South West
[17:12] <caoliver> BASIC 9shuffer) and FORTRAN IV.
[17:12] <caoliver> (shudder)
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> oh, I'm not a member of the BCS.
[17:12] * caoliver not only can't type well in the morning; he's getting old.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> BCS is suits and managers.
[17:13] <Encrypt> Really? :P
[17:13] <Encrypt> That's not the picture I had of them
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> maybe they've changed, but that's what it always was.
[17:13] <Encrypt> Ok
[17:14] * caoliver owns a suit, several tweeds and blazers, and a number of ties, but they seldom leave the closet.
[17:14] <r3> oh we're talking about old PDP? I had a DEC PDP-11 in storage for a decade. I rescued it from the trash heap. The idea always was to hook it up in the basement after running the appropriate power hookups.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> haha... and the one post code they miss out when saying all of Devon is ... mine!
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> I have a PDP-8/a
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> as well as a couple of PiDP8's.
[17:14] <r3> mine looked almost exactly like the wiki photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11#/media/File:Pdp-11-40.jpg
[17:15] <caoliver> I think the oldest computer I have in the house is an Amiga 1200 at the moment.
[17:15] <r3> with the tape drives and even a 8in-floppy drive
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> and 11/40 was the first unix machine I used.
[17:15] <caoliver> I'm not counting HP32s and hp42s calcs though I think they were contemporaneous.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm hoping to see someone who has an 11/44 early next year - with a view to purchasing it.
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[17:16] <caoliver> gordonDrogon has a large basement.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I wish ...
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> it's a 3-cabinet system too.
[17:16] <r3> the plan never worked out as 1) I couldn't fit it down the stairs and 2) the electricians I talked to looked at me as if I was mad and 3) cooling was an issue I couldn't figure out. I ended up selling it to someone else who wanted to put it in their garage. I think its still there.
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[17:17] <r3> yay for old-timers club. lol. I was just checking out this old BYTE magazine introducing the IBM PC: https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1982-01/1982_01_BYTE_07-01_The_IBM_Personal_Computer#page/n37/mode/2up
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14-e.jpg https://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg probably the oldest I have, I think.
[17:17] <caoliver> I keep buying modern systems to run Slackware, so my nostalgia trips are confined to emulators.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> other than the PDP-8
[17:18] * caoliver has a VAX-11/780 faceplate stuck to one of his laptops.
[17:18] <r3> it was a personal trip down memory lane as I remember owning this magazine (from a shared subscription with my father) and this is the article that prompted the old man to buy one. He should have bought two because he wasn't ever able to get onto the one he bought as I was *always* on it. It joined the TRS80, the TI 99/4a and the dumb terminal (with 110/300 baud modem) - as well as the
[17:18] <r3> Atari 2600 and Pong - in what once was the spare bedroom, forever after named the computer room.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> Heh... One day I'll get a '2600
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> they're not that expensive on ebay.
[17:19] <Stagnation> ok I might have a treat for you guys, its not raspberry pi based though. I live in an old council building with computer servers and shit. is there anyother irc that i can post to find out what all this stuff does?
[17:20] <Stagnation> do any of you use another tech irc?
[17:20] <caoliver> Favorite byte: https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1981-08
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, post photos here, but there is also #classicdec if it's old DEC stuff.
[17:20] <caoliver> A friend who just retired from teaching math gave me that a few year back.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> it was hard to get Byte magazine in the UK from what I recall.
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> our of tea error. back inna bit.
[17:22] <caoliver> Stagnation, I'm on Arduino and several software channels.
[17:22] <caoliver> ##slackware, ##zynaddsubfx, #opensourcemusicians, #lisp, and #emacs
[17:23] <caoliver> gordonDrogon's suffering caffeine deficiency syndrome.
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> sorted :)
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[17:28] <Stagnation> see what you guys can make of this stuff...https://imgur.com/a/1wCoW
[17:29] <caoliver> Other old tech (since we're on a nostalgia thingie) I had was a Symbolics XL1201.
[17:29] <caoliver> Stagnation, I've no idea what that card case is.
[17:30] <Stagnation> all the stuff isi around 10 years old
[17:30] * caoliver wishes he still had the lisp machine keyboard which was w work of art.
[17:30] <soul-d> looks like telephone stuff
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, it's an old telephone PBX by the looks of it - BT ISDN or similar.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> there's an old kilostream terminator box too.
[17:31] * caoliver remembers "it still does nothing."
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> I never got into lisp. it just never appealed to me.
[17:32] <caoliver> I was running an ISP back when that was a thing. I had to do field calls for Ascend gear. Ugh!
[17:33] <Stagnation> any of this stuff useful/valuble?
[17:33] <caoliver> I went more down the Smalltalk Rabbit hole personally, but I did a lot of Scheme (less Lisp) in my ISP days.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> Stagnation, you might get a few quid for the copper :)
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[17:35] <soul-d> on the looks of it there is quite a bunch of wire present that might indeed have some value as scrap
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> setting up a Pi0W from scratch for a young friends present - trying to do it 'by the book' ...
[17:35] <soul-d> coper is like 4eur perkg scrap
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> touch ssh, now create the wpa file ...
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> so I just create a /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf with the right runes in it?
[17:37] <akk> Yes, that should work.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> right... here goes.
[17:38] <Stagnation> oh wires, yes this place has tons of ethernet cables
[17:40] <Stagnation> https://imgur.com/bVS1zlK
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[17:42] <caoliver> Stagnation, that looks like a "sane" rats nest.
[17:42] <caoliver> I've seen far worse.
[17:42] <Stagnation> lol yeah
[17:42] <soul-d> it's probably not worthless but i assume that they left it because it was less worth then the trouble :D
[17:43] <caoliver> I've used and made far worse. (shuffer)
[17:43] <caoliver> shudder
[17:43] <caoliver> shuffer should be a word.
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> well pi0 seems to work, although it's really slow to boot compared to my existing Pi0 running jessie. usb hub I have appears to not work. this is a bother.
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[17:57] <pwillard> lol. accidentally changed ownership and permissions on whole file system versus a folder. Was easier to just rebuild system from scratch since everything has a backup copy. but... "DOH!"
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> 2nd hub working ok.
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[17:58] <pwillard> and my home rack looks worse with far less wires
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> ye gods - raspbian now has erlang installed - wonder what on earth depends on it..
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> this Pi is for someone who has limited internet access, so I'd best install as much as I can, update/upgrade, etc.
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[18:09] <caoliver> pwillard, I think everyone working with Linux has a misadventure with chown -R or chmod -R at some point in their travels.
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[18:14] <pwillard> Oddly enough... I haven't made this kind of typo since the 90's so I feel dumb. although the last time I really put my foot in it I was cleaning up a model server once I verified it matched production... and ended up "remove recursive force /" and only afterward noticed it was the wrong server. egg on face
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[18:15] <pwillard> its nice that got finally fixed so now you have to REALLY say that's what you want to do.
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> typing reboot in the wrong window ...
[18:21] <reiffert> Hi. Is there a recommended way for nightly and incremental/differentials backups that would end up in IMG'es ready to be written onto SD cards?
[18:22] <soul-d> not realy since that totaly depends on what you want to back up
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> ask a dozen sysadmins, get a bakers dozen answers...
[18:23] <soul-d> what ever works is safe and easy to recover
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> my opinion is that you shouldn't create images, just backup the files that change and keep a separate list of packages you've installed.
[18:23] <reiffert> guess I'd choose rsync for the backup/incremental/differential part with a remaining part of building an IMG from the backup'ed files.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> rsync is good.
[18:24] <soul-d> yeah i wanted to type the same since that has a problem that it might corrupt
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> dpkg --get-selections will give you a list of installed packages.
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[18:25] <soul-d> if you really want to why not an archive style with or without compresion
[18:26] <soul-d> since that probably will be costly on pi
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[18:28] <reiffert> Thanks for your valuable input. Getting appreaciated
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[18:40] <Stagnation> hey guys, trying to setup a pi samba server here. but my pi is only showing up as a "generic network connected device" on my windows machine, so I cant access the folder structure
[18:40] <Stagnation> any ideas as to why?
[18:41] <Stagnation> I can ssd into it and it shows up on my router, network descovery isset to on on the win10 machine
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[18:41] <soul-d> i usaly always go to shares with ip \\ip\exactsharename
[18:42] <soul-d> or whatever since anything else never worked for me :D
[18:42] <soul-d> or click map networkdrive
[18:42] <soul-d> in the windows thing and you do the same
[18:42] <Stagnation> in explorer?
[18:43] <soul-d> yeah its in the middle currently not on windows though so can't be sure
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[18:45] <Stagnation> hold up
[18:45] <Stagnation> in the middle?
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[18:46] <soul-d> yeah or google it map network drive since my windows 10 might have been slightly modified
[18:47] <Stagnation> going to the ip directly doesnt work
[18:47] <soul-d> it does only apear in the main one though
[18:47] <soul-d> you do need tot type the exact sharename to
[18:47] <soul-d> also is firewall open ?
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[18:47] <soul-d> usaly you need to set it
[18:47] <soul-d> also
[18:47] <soul-d> setenforce 0
[18:48] <soul-d> although thats usalyt bad advice
[18:48] <soul-d> but you might not get acces withoutis
[18:48] <soul-d> turns of selinux
[18:48] <soul-d> but that was on fedora based so might not be similar to debian but i think these are standard security features
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[18:49] <Stagnation> people say samba is easy but ive never got any method using samba to work
[18:49] <Stagnation> :S
[18:50] <Stagnation> setenforce on the pi? or
[18:50] <soul-d> it can be a hassle
[18:50] <soul-d> yeah
[18:50] <soul-d> where the server runs same for the firewall
[18:50] <soul-d> open netbios
[18:50] <soul-d> etc
[18:50] <soul-d> samba
[18:51] <soul-d> you might also have to set firewall rules on win10 but you need to google that
[18:52] <soul-d> i can remmber setting a rule for something just not what
[18:52] <soul-d> oh no that was bittorent
[18:54] <soul-d> but usaly if you need to use setenforce you would get selinux warnings first
[18:54] <soul-d> like "acces to samba blah blah add selinux profile"
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[19:14] <extor> An rpi zero can probably be used to display high def videos on an HDTV I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[19:15] <extor> I have this tivo that goes to a bigscreen and they're linked via hdmi so I was hoping to be able to use the hdmi from the pi for that purpose if possible. Not sure whether the vidya on the zero can handle it tho
[19:16] <Stagnation> i solved it, I wasnt typeing the \\ at the begining of the ip address
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[19:22] <soul-d> better go see a docter Stagnation for that facepalm
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> extor, Pi 0 can play 1080p hdmi without any issues as long as it's a codec the Pi understands.
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[19:42] <extor> Does the pi have 264 or 265 hardcoded into any of it's chips?
[19:43] <extor> 1080 is pretty much more than what I watch on my PC most of the time before maximization, so it should be OK
[19:43] <extor> in fact 720 or lower would work just fine
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[21:44] <Encrypt> Hello again o/
[21:45] <Encrypt> Which software would you recommend to upload / download files from anywhere, hosted on a Pi?
[21:45] <Encrypt> I used to use BarracudaDrive but I'm looking for alternatives
[21:46] <Encrypt> I was considering using Seafile but it would be nice if I could just have a service to upload / download files with authentication ; unison could do the rest
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[21:58] <H4ndy> Encrypt: Seafile is already pretty close to what you need. Its also not very hard to setup
[21:58] <H4ndy> and you can upload via webbrowser, you do not need a Client installed
[21:59] <Encrypt> Yeah
[21:59] <H4ndy> or just setup a webserver with a PHP upload script and a directory listing
[21:59] <Encrypt> H4ndy, But what I don't really like is that the files aren't stored "directly" on the disk
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[21:59] <Encrypt> I mean it uses git folders for versionning
[22:00] <H4ndy> what I said ^
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[23:36] <realies> just edited the crontab file and reloaded the service although the command doesn't get executed every minute, im i doing it wrong?
[23:36] <realies> * * * * * curl https://somewebsite.com/ >/dev/null 2>&1
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[23:36] <realies> (edited with nano)
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[23:41] <realies> missed the user there
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