#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-04

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[1:35] <cnnx> can i put a 200gb microsd on a rpi3b?
[1:35] <cnnx> someone said max is 32gb
[1:35] <cnnx> why
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[1:37] <harmlessgryphon> I've had 64GB cards in one before
[1:37] <cnnx> 2worked fine?
[1:38] <harmlessgryphon> From what I remember. I didn't use it long, just as a test setup.
[1:38] <cnnx> my 32gb sdcard crapped out on me so im shopping for a 16gb or something very low cost
[1:38] <harmlessgryphon> Yeah, I got tired of killing SD cards so I started booting mine off a synology NAS I already had setup. Does it over NFS.
[1:39] <harmlessgryphon> I know they can natively boot without the card now, but these have been running for so long they need the /boot stuff
[1:39] <cnnx> since when is a 256gb micro sd card under 20$?
[1:39] <cnnx> https://www.amazon.ca/Memory-Adapter-Mobile-Tablets-Cameras/dp/B01M8L38I2/ref=sr_1_10?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1515026261&sr=1-10&keywords=micro+sd+card
[1:40] <cnnx> oh its the adapter
[1:40] <cnnx> harmlessgryphon: you killed cards too?
[1:40] <harmlessgryphon> That's "with" adapter. It's a fake.
[1:40] <harmlessgryphon> Yeah, I've been through more cards than I can count
[1:41] <harmlessgryphon> I'm fortunate to have a Micro Center nearby, so I can just go over there and get decent priced cards.
[1:42] <cnnx> im in debt so i cant really spend
[1:42] <cnnx> but i cant use my rpi either
[1:42] <cnnx> so i'd like a cheap card
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[1:42] <cnnx> from china maybe?
[1:42] <cnnx> on ebay?
[1:42] <harmlessgryphon> I'd be suspicious of almost anything there
[1:43] <cnnx> ok
[1:43] <ShorTie> newegg is preaty good
[1:44] <cnnx> what do you guys do with your rpi
[1:44] <harmlessgryphon> I've had good luck with Samsung cards: https://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-MicroSD-Memory-Adapter-MB-MP32GA/dp/B0749KL4S4/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1515026598&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+16GB+SD
[1:45] <cnnx> 10 year warranty covers it if it stops working?
[1:45] <cnnx> they'll mail me a new one?
[1:45] <harmlessgryphon> Of the four that are running here: #1 is a data collector that runs Cacti and does other data-ish things like monitor temps and network ping, #2 is a Postfix mail relay and Prosody server that also monitors a NOAA radio, #3 is a squeezebox server and...uh...I forget, and #4 is a Bitlbee server
[1:46] <cnnx> cool
[1:46] <harmlessgryphon> I honestly don't know. I haven't had one die completely yet - usually the Pi just corrupts the data on the card somehow.
[1:46] <cnnx> im looking for ideasa what to do
[1:46] <cnnx> i wanted to put a solar panel outside for the rpi
[1:46] <cnnx> with communications
[1:46] <cnnx> but someone told me it wont lasgt at -25C
[1:46] * ShorTie Thinkz, Get 2
[1:46] <harmlessgryphon> That may damage things
[1:47] <harmlessgryphon> the -25C
[1:47] <prompt32> harmlessgryphon, to much work for an sd card , dont you thing
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[1:47] <harmlessgryphon> What do you mean?
[1:48] <harmlessgryphon> The amount of things they do?
[1:48] <prompt32> i mean 1,2,3,4, sd cards is not disks
[1:48] <prompt32> yes
[1:48] <Maai> cnnx: how on earth can I send you a card for fReeeeeeeee?
[1:48] <harmlessgryphon> Well, they only boot from the cards, the rest of the time they are on a network device.
[1:48] <Maai> not your home address but another PO BOX or something
[1:48] <prompt32> i men somehow else must be used, by usage, what the made for
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[1:49] <prompt32> ok. so waht sd cards are so sensitive?
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[1:49] <harmlessgryphon> I can use really cheap cards because they never get written to.
[1:49] <harmlessgryphon> Cheap no-name slow cards are a no-no
[1:49] <cnnx> Maai: why would you send me one for free?
[1:50] <harmlessgryphon> My employer used to buy no-name memory sticks for a data collection application, Micro Center got tired of seeing me because I'd bring back handfuls under their lifetime warranty thing
[1:50] <ShorTie> https://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4687/~/sandisk-cards-environmental-tolerance-%28waterproof%2C-temperature%2C-magnetic-and
[1:50] <Maai> cnnx: my task is to find out why the ACT light is blinking. digging around hardware interfaces
[1:50] <harmlessgryphon> Is it doing something? That should be blinking
[1:51] <prompt32> i own a 2 days pi3, debian-lite, and manualy lxpanel/openbox, the same system i have on my pc. i use it right now
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[1:51] <cnnx> ShorTie: says it does -25C
[1:51] <harmlessgryphon> SD cards are pretty robust devices
[1:52] <cnnx> how is so much data stored on so little physical space
[1:52] <cnnx> with no moving parts
[1:52] <ShorTie> i thought it twas only the gold colored cards, but maybe all
[1:52] <prompt32> how i can take the temparatures of the pi , plus the freq it works ? lm-sensors dont work
[1:53] <harmlessgryphon> You should be able to read the die temp of the Pi CPU
[1:53] <en1gma> the pi3 cant be powered over ethernet can it?
[1:53] <harmlessgryphon> Not as built, no.
[1:53] <harmlessgryphon> prompt32, try sudo /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[1:53] <prompt32> --- in my 1st meet with pi, and while build its OS/Usage i think how i can minimize the sd card usage ... ????
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[1:54] <prompt32> ^ temp=41.3'C
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[1:54] <prompt32> ;)
[1:54] <harmlessgryphon> Awesome
[1:54] <Maai> cnnx: if you were practically dying because your pi is OOO -out of order :P- i didn't want that
[1:54] <cnnx> does dollar store sell sd cards
[1:54] <harmlessgryphon> I don't know that there is a way to measure the CPU frequency, but that shouldn't change.
[1:55] <harmlessgryphon> cnnx they probably do, you may get lucky and get a sandisk card
[1:55] <cnnx> Maai: what country you in?
[1:55] <prompt32> so its at 1G or 700M, raspi-config say you cant overclock, so 1G
[1:55] <prompt32> ?
[1:56] <harmlessgryphon> Yes, I don't think the CPU frequency can change unless you set it at boot time.
[1:57] <prompt32> on kernel options ?
[1:57] <harmlessgryphon> I will be honest, I've never messed with that part of the device.
[1:57] <Maai> 'temp=51.0'C'
[1:58] <Maai> actually i can give you paypal point
[1:58] <Maai> *points
[1:58] <Maai> cheaper postage. i am UK
[1:58] <Maai> country is 'what'
[1:59] <harmlessgryphon> my mailserver is 26.1C
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[2:02] <harmlessgryphon> Did you try reflashing the SD card?
[2:03] <prompt32> harmlessgryphon, sudo cat /proc/stat
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[2:05] <harmlessgryphon> I don't get anything meaningful from that, let me see what the numbers mean
[2:06] <ShorTie> try '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp'
[2:06] <harmlessgryphon> 26.1C
[2:07] <harmlessgryphon>  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[2:07] <harmlessgryphon> That give me 700000, which is the speed of this machine
[2:07] <harmlessgryphon> 700.000MHz
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[2:07] <harmlessgryphon> 47.1C on the old model B
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[2:13] <harmlessgryphon> 1 min load average 0.14 with 1 user accessing Bitlbee
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[2:15] <prompt32> mine at 600M
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[2:21] <prompt32> cat cpu{0,1,2,3}/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 2>/dev/null|awk '{a=$1/2048; printf "%.2fM \t",a} END{print "\n"}'
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[2:23] <Maai> i didn't know pi had 3 cpus
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[2:24] <prompt32> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0,1,2,3}/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 2>/dev/null|awk '{a=$1/2048; printf "%.2fM \t",a} END{print "\n"}'
[2:24] <prompt32> it says 4
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[2:26] <prompt32> finally i think, theese machines, must works as much as transparent it is. that's their job
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[2:31] <Maai> cpu0-3 yes
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[2:46] <en1gma> when doing the nexmon build on pi3 (i already successfully did it but im writing the stock img back to sdcard as we speak. i just thought about something
[2:47] <en1gma> when nexmon patches firmware and mods drivers does any of that get wrote to the pi3 internal nand memory somewhere
[2:47] <en1gma> i mean when i put this stock img back on sdcard am i going to still have the modded nexmon drivers or firmware
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[2:59] <uriah> interesting en1gma
[2:59] <uriah> but no idea :)
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[3:02] <harmlessgryphon> en1gma if you overwrite whats on the card you're back to the beginning
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[3:02] <cnnx> hey guys
[3:02] <cnnx> should I built a robot
[3:03] <cnnx> for my apartment
[3:03] <cnnx> using rpi?
[3:03] <harmlessgryphon> Sure, why not?
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[3:03] <PurpleAlienNinja> robot to do what
[3:03] <cnnx> i dunno
[3:03] <cnnx> different tasks
[3:03] <cnnx> vacuum is one
[3:03] <cnnx> useful things
[3:03] <cnnx> make me coffee
[3:03] <cnnx> recharge himself
[3:04] <PurpleAlienNinja> fetch a beer
[3:04] <cnnx> water my plants
[3:04] <cnnx> no
[3:04] <cnnx> beer is fatening
[3:04] <cnnx> not healthy
[3:04] <Grange> Make u coffee is also recharge u
[3:04] <cnnx> maybe peel and cut an avocado
[3:04] <cnnx> needs little hands
[3:05] <cnnx> some kind of complex programming
[3:05] <cnnx> motor skills
[3:05] <PurpleAlienNinja> having a robot do things for you while you sit is fatening
[3:05] <cnnx> ok
[3:05] <cnnx> but when i'll be too old
[3:05] <cnnx> he cant help me
[3:06] <cnnx> can
[3:06] <cnnx> since i have no kids
[3:06] <prompt32> make a drone
[3:06] <cnnx> fly it where?
[3:06] <cnnx> cant test it indoors in winter
[3:07] <cnnx> or maybe i can
[3:07] <cnnx> indoor drone
[3:07] <prompt32> why, ? inside the rooms, its a robot
[3:07] <cnnx> with wall detection
[3:07] <cnnx> sounds fun
[3:07] <cnnx> can the rpi be used part of a drone
[3:07] <cnnx> for the cpu
[3:08] <prompt32> until you get old, its been ok
[3:08] <prompt32> sure
[3:08] <prompt32> me i like the zero phone project
[3:09] <prompt32> and the idea to use to collect agricaltural data of a field
[3:09] <cnnx> i could program so he knows where he has to land exactly to touch the + and - of his battery terminals to the charger to self charge
[3:09] <cnnx> sounds fun
[3:09] <cnnx> cool
[3:10] <prompt32> or you can put a bridge inside, so the polarity no matter
[3:10] <cnnx> bridge?
[3:10] <cnnx> AC doesnt matter
[3:10] <cnnx> dc matters
[3:10] <prompt32> yes AC -> DC
[3:10] <prompt32> ^ = bridge
[3:10] <cnnx> ok you ean a rectifier?
[3:11] <cnnx> mean
[3:11] <prompt32> !
[3:12] <prompt32> to train road, when its land
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[3:12] <cnnx> when it lands it deploys wheels
[3:12] <cnnx> and it runs around
[3:12] <cnnx> like a hybrid
[3:13] <prompt32> and transform to robot ;)
[3:13] <cnnx> transformers
[3:13] <uriah> wheels on legs, instead of feet
[3:13] <cnnx> need to start writting a spec document on this
[3:13] <cnnx> getting interesting
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[3:16] <prompt32> i dont like robots, but i like automations
[3:16] <cnnx> 10 print "hello"
[3:16] <cnnx> 20 goto 10
[3:16] <cnnx> thats automation
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[3:18] <prompt32> everything in a prog is automation
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[3:23] <Maai> loop is instruction UUGHHHHHHHHHHHHpfulll
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[3:24] <Maai> automation is when you get a signal to carry out the instruction(?)
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[4:04] <uriah> https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
[4:04] * uriah wonders if cortex a-53 will show up there soon
[4:05] <uriah> or whether it’s been tested already
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[4:20] <Maai> still cannot get ACT light joy :(
[4:21] <binaryhermit> uriah: I think a53 isn't out of order
[4:21] <binaryhermit> so it'd be immune
[4:21] <binaryhermit> as I understand it
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[4:26] <uriah> yeah that’s nice
[4:27] <uriah> cause I just ordered one
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[5:21] <en1gma> on this pi3b i have 4 rtlsdr dongles. do i need to set any special power flags for usb?
[5:22] <en1gma> and i wonder if my cig lighter 12v to 5v 2A will work ok
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[5:42] <CannedSpinach> when I connect to my headless RPi via SSH it always gives me the same message. "The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux System etc..." where is this located? and can I use this location to include my own startup script for whenever an SSH connection is initiated?
[5:43] <Zardoz> en1gma: no, and depending on the power needed by each dongle, 4 USB ports would take up 2A total at full usage.
[5:43] <CannedSpinach> I just want to run "exec bash" as soon as the connection is made so that my normal .bashrc script runs without having to be told to.
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[5:46] <mythos> CannedSpinach, look into /etc/motd
[5:49] <CannedSpinach> thanks, that helps
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[5:49] <CannedSpinach> I also see that there is .ssh/rc which lets you run a startup script
[5:50] <CannedSpinach> however it doesn't seem to set my PS1 correctly after executing .bashrc, which is strange
[5:50] <CannedSpinach> it executes the rest of the script
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[5:51] <mythos> well, it's really late here, so i'm going to bed
[5:51] <mythos> hf and good luck, CannedSpinach
[5:51] <CannedSpinach> thanks, gnight
[5:52] <xacktm> uh it's a complicated mess that profile/rc stuff
[5:52] <xacktm> wish I could remember where I found that article...
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[5:55] <xacktm> here's a link that' ssimilar, but not waht I had in mind https://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/zshbash-startup-files-loading-order-bashrc-zshrc-etc/
[5:56] <xacktm> found it! https://blog.flowblok.id.au/2013-02/shell-startup-scripts.html
[5:57] <xacktm> wow can't believe that's from 5 years ago
[5:58] <CannedSpinach> I've reached the impression that the default .bashrc is my opponent here
[5:58] <CannedSpinach> I will have to figure out what the essentials are and rewrite the rest from scratch
[5:58] <CannedSpinach> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[5:59] <xacktm> glhf :)
[5:59] <CannedSpinach> thanks
[5:59] <CannedSpinach> won't be doing it tonight but it's on my todo list
[5:59] <CannedSpinach> lesson learned: never trust the system defaults
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[7:16] <en1gma> Zardoz i seen somewhere these rtlsdr dongles dont take that much. i disabled wifi and bt. im connected over lan cord. right now the wall charger is doing ok. it is 5v 2.5A though
[7:17] <Zardoz> sould be fine then, most things dont use full usb power anyways,.
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[7:48] <en1gma> https://imgur.com/a/LlEzS 4x rtl_power
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[7:53] <en1gma> https://imgur.com/a/LlEzS
[7:54] <en1gma> sorry
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[8:41] <bobstro> CannedSpinach: read the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage. it will explain the bash startup script sequence and when each is executed. do you have ~/.bashrc created to set PS1?
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[10:45] <rendar> why my rasp which has raspbian jessie has linux kernel 4.9, instead my desktop amd64 which has jessie too, has linux 3.16?!
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[10:48] <zleap> not sure,
[10:48] <zleap> when was the last time you updated your desktop?
[10:48] <rendar> right now
[10:48] <mfa298> because the pi foundation have pushed out a newer kernel than debian uses by default
[10:49] <zleap> mfa298: so it is not a stock debian jessie as such
[10:49] <mfa298> aiui debian tends to stick with the same version of stuff as when they initially released
[10:49] <zleap> debian is built for stability
[10:50] <zleap> if you want cutting edge you can use testing or sid, sid being prone to breakage more often
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[10:50] <zleap> or that is how I understand things
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[10:51] <mfa298> part of the difference is that a lot of stuff for arm/raspberry is getting mainlined in newer kernels so using a newer kernel on arm platforms generally makes upport much easier
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[10:52] <mfa298> raspbian is also modified to work on all the raspberries, stock debian wont work on all raspberry pis
[10:52] <zleap> so a little OT, what is the deal with this processor bug
[10:52] <zleap> i got the impression from te bbc site it affects intel, amd and arm chips
[10:53] <zleap> they also said that MS, Linux and Apple need to update their systems, implying linux is a software company to those who don't know otherwise
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[10:54] <immibis> zleap: yup. there was confusion about whether it affects AMD, but only one variant of the bug doesn't affect AMD (but it's also the variant that requires the performance hit to work around)
[10:54] <immibis> the update they're talking about is not needed for AMD CPUs
[10:55] <immibis> however the other vulnerability (spectre) does exist on most CPUs, including AMD ones and ARM
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[10:55] <mfa298> Id imagine any patches will be going into mainline and would then need to be backported to older kernels as needed (the older the kernel the harder backporting might be), I dont know whether arm/pi would be affected or not as Ive not read enough detail yet
[10:56] <zleap> so is this deep down in the actual chip
[10:56] <mfa298> it seems to be
[10:57] <zleap> so they are going to end up bring out a whole new set of chips then i guess or can we sort of upgrade an existing CPU as in replace with a new one minus the issue
[10:58] <zleap> *bringing
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[11:00] <mfa298> aiui the fixes are all in software at the moment and might have a perfornance hit, it would probably be fixed in newer cpus, but that might also mean upgradeing your motherboards and ram, but thats going off topic for #raspberrypi
[11:01] <zleap> yeah
[11:01] <zleap> but thanks for clearing this up
[11:01] <immibis> zleap: yes it is deep down in the actual chip
[11:02] <immibis> in fact in the overall design of the chip (that's why ARM and x86 are affected by the same bug)
[11:02] <binaryhermit> As I understand it, all current pis are immune?
[11:02] <immibis> (because they're both following modern CPU design principles)
[11:02] <binaryhermit> since it only affects out of order processors and all pis use in-order processors
[11:03] <immibis> that's correct assuming they really are using in-order processors, i don't know much about the pi's processor
[11:03] <zleap> RISC (arm) vs CISC (x86 based)
[11:03] <immibis> zleap: some ARMs are affected
[11:03] <zleap> so it could affect phones then
[11:03] <zleap> or some
[11:04] <immibis> yes it could
[11:05] <binaryhermit> plus, there arre a few x86 androids
[11:06] <binaryhermit> and a few really old MIPS androids
[11:06] <binaryhermit> but I'm not sure at all about MIPS vulnerability
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[11:06] <binaryhermit> but the MIPS androids are probably stuck on like android 2.x
[11:07] <binaryhermit> so this is the least of their security worries
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[11:07] <mfa298> the suggestion in one place seemed to be that the bug affecting all cpus is also much harder to exploit (so the sort of thing for the 3/4 letter organisations rather than virus writers)
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[11:31] <ali1234> the way the bug works is by doing a timing attack on the CPU cache... so it's not surprising it affects a lot of processors
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[11:31] <Lartza> mfa298, This hard? https://gist.github.com/ErikAugust/724d4a969fb2c6ae1bbd7b2a9e3d4bb6
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[11:33] <ali1234> the simple version is: uint8_t *x = <some address you're not supposed to access>; and then using x to index into an array of memory pages
[11:34] <ali1234> the code will generate an exception because you're not allowed to read memory at x
[11:34] <ali1234> however the CPU pipeline will already have loaded the array page into the cache before the exception happens
[11:34] <ali1234> so now you can figure out the value of x by figuring out which page is in the cache
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[12:03] <jthornton> anyone use the Raspberry Pi camera extension cable kit use a standard HDMI cable
[12:09] <zleap> ?
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[12:12] <jthornton> I've given up on that idea and just looking for a case for the camera and pi now and use ethernet cable to position camera
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[12:16] <jthornton> building block compatible cases seem dumb with the camera cable just floating in thin air
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[12:40] <jthornton> ah just found this splitter that will make my project work fine https://www.amazon.com/UCTRONICS-802-3af-Splitter-Ethernet-Raspberry/dp/B01MDLUSE7
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[14:20] <solars> hey, I'd like to use some PIs or PI zeros as surveillance cameras (RPI cam) - are there any particular OS images that deliver this out of the box already so that I could use it as a start? I'd like to use something like zoneminder as well to collect all the streams and define fences etc if possible. I assume this should be done centrally, not on the individual PIs
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[14:46] <BurtyB> solars, I use https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos
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[16:03] <solars> BurtyB: thanks! Are you using zoneminder as well? Or this there something better
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[16:10] <BurtyB> solars, i run that on pi zeros with cameras and on a Pi 3 to do motion detection/recording
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[16:12] <BlackMaria> solars: I am using zoneminder and it works fine, he pi3 is running a load of 0.5
[16:13] <solars> BlackMaria: BurtyB that sounds great - are you also using the pi cam?
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[16:15] <BurtyB> solars, yes + zeroview for me
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[16:16] <BlackMaria> in my case its a usbcam, I havent tried to get the picam to work with it yet.
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[16:18] <solars> BurtyB: BlackMaria thanks for the input! I'll see if I get it working
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[19:33] <freddythefrog> hello
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[19:35] <freddythefrog> I'd like to set up the following: I have an external hdd which I'd like to connect to RPi. I'd like to access the data on the hdd remotely, i.e. via my other computer(s). Is RPi a good call (if not, I have an ordinary laptop as well instead), and is there a nice read where I could RTFM and set up everything?
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[19:49] <teach8> rpi is quite slow for such a task, only usb2
[19:49] <teach8> get a cheap nas instead
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[19:56] <freddythefrog> how slow?
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[19:57] <freddythefrog> say I want to get 10mb file
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[20:00] <teach8> may be ok for small files but not for movies etc
[20:00] <freddythefrog> 200mb at very most
[20:00] <freddythefrog> get the file, done
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[20:04] <teach8> freenas doesn't run on the pi, so use raspbian
[20:05] <freddythefrog> it has raspbian on it already
[20:05] <freddythefrog> it's been idling for a while, didn't really use it
[20:05] <freddythefrog> so I have the spare thingy to use
[20:05] <freddythefrog> and don't feel like throwing more money
[20:05] <freddythefrog> my requirements are not high (in my eyes)
[20:05] <teach8> there are loads of howtos how to turn it into a nas, bit too much for an irc channel :)
[20:06] <freddythefrog> sure
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[20:12] <teach8> which version of the pi do you have?
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[20:20] <freddythefrog> teach8: RPi 3 model B
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[20:22] <teach8> ok, fastest one, should work...
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[20:26] <freddythefrog> cool, thanks for the input, teach8
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[20:38] <teach8> ywc
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[20:44] <Drunkhawk91> I'm using a RPi3 B as a NAS with external HDD, pretty easy to set it up with samba. Speed is about 2 Mb/s over Wifi (should be faster if RPi is connected via eth0)
[20:45] <freddythefrog> that's cool
[20:45] <freddythefrog> can you share the link with the good tutorial, or will any do?
[20:45] <xacktm> didn't the rpis share USB and ethernet over the same bus or something, and that you'd get less throughput over ethernet than wifi (which is separate iirc) ?
[20:46] <xacktm> it's been a while since I looked, so I could be wrong
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[20:51] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog I didn't really follow a tutorial, mainly samba, mount and fstab docs
[20:51] <freddythefrog> I'm clueless, really, I need a good reference
[20:52] <Drunkhawk91> @xacktm: yep maybe, I should test it
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[20:57] <MrBusiness> If I want to run CIRClean with a Pi newer than the original model, how do I know which USB ports to plug into?
[20:58] <MrBusiness> All the diagrams show the original Pi, and there's nothing in any of the documentation explaining where to plug in the bad USB stick and the good USB stick, despite the fact that they advertise compatibility with newer Pis
[20:58] <MrBusiness> and I can't seem to find an IRC channel or mailing list.
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[21:00] <MrBusiness> I have an original B+ in my pocket, but I'd rather not accidentally scuttle a stick by picking the wrong ports.
[21:02] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog you can follow https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-nas but try to understand the differents lines
[21:02] <freddythefrog> thanks, Drunkhawk91, I'll take a look
[21:03] <freddythefrog> if I make my RPi connect to VPN, will that slow the things down?
[21:03] <freddythefrog> should I mention free VPN
[21:04] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog note that they are using a ntfs formated external HDD, I used this to use ext4 instead https://tektab.com/2015/11/14/mounting-an-external-disk-using-ext34-on-raspberry-pi/
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[21:09] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog you want to access your hdd data remotely over internet or just local?
[21:11] <freddythefrog> well, Drunkhawk91, I'm clueless when it comes to networking but here's the situation: it's in my room and we're not connected via any cables, i.e. I'd connect the RPi to my wifi. I do want to be able to access the data outside of my room, though, i.e. from anywhere in the world
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[21:15] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog you might want to set up a FTP server instead first, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ftp.md and learn how to use it when connected to the same wifi network
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[21:16] <zleap> the fallout from this could be interesting, i guess they are going to have to go back to the drawing board to re-design a new range of chips, which then has the risk of other bugs in new designs
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[21:17] <dskull> Q: is there a way to stream RTSP from the rpi camera to server or something/
[21:17] <Drunkhawk91> @freddythefrog for remote acess anywhere it will be specific to your router (port forwarding) https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/access-over-Internet/README.md
[21:18] <freddythefrog> thanks, Drunkhawk91, looking
[21:18] <zleap> sorry wrong channel
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[21:23] <GrandPa-G> How many 4 or 5 segment display counters can be put on the new pi?
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[21:30] <Encrypt> So, Microchip bought Atmel... the website with the products changed :x
[21:30] <Encrypt> I'm lost :x
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[21:31] <plugwash> Yeah, microchips integration of their buyouts into their web presense has been suboptimal to say the least :/
[21:31] <GrandPa-G> has the args option ever been implement like GPIO.add_event_detect(pin, GPIO.BOTH, my_func, args=(a, b ,c))
[21:31] <GrandPa-G> ?
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[21:35] <Encrypt> plugwash, I was used to browse the "original" Atmel website
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[21:41] <mgottschlag> Encrypt: that's the perfect chance to try other interesting architectures or languages. I just tried http://blog.japaric.io/quickstart/ and it looked pretty nice, you should try it out :D
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[22:14] <plugwash> Encrypt, yeah all too often when company takeovers happen the web-presense gets messed up with the taken over companies website taken down but the taking over company doing a very sloppy job of integrating the information into their site
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[22:15] <Encrypt> Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling now :P
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[23:17] <frojnd> Hi there.
[23:17] <frojnd> Is anyone here familiar with SPI?
[23:17] <Nauti> Probably a lot of people
[23:17] <Nauti> Not me though, but try asking directly :)
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[23:18] <frojnd> How can I rredice programmer frequency
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[23:19] <frojnd> Is this done in confg.txt or somewhere else?
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[23:39] <andrewa> Not sure I understand the question frojnd
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[23:44] <stiv> just hire fewer programmers!
[23:44] <stiv> frojnd, do you mean clock rate?
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