#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-08

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[0:41] <xs2> did anyone manage to set up wifi with rpi 3b running freebsd?
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[0:51] <ikkuranus> I doubt that would work realtek don't have host ap capability under bsd on x86 so it's even more unlikely with arm
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[0:53] <ikkuranus> I guess if you meant as a client it should be possible but probably pretty bad
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[0:59] <xs2> yes I just want to connect my rpi to my home wifi
[0:59] <xs2> ikkuranus: ^
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[1:01] <xs2> I guess I'll hook it up with a cable
[1:01] <xs2> fuck this
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[2:27] <IanTLopp> I was watching a youtube video about overclocking the raspberry pi and it explained that processor manufacturer's have different grades of CPUs (of the same CPU lines), such as Grade A, Grade B, etc. and that mostly the raspi uses Grade D, and as such can only be overclocked to a certain degree. It also mentioned that, in order to get rid of extra processors in a higher grade, they may sometimes sell those higher grade processors for the grade D
[2:27] <IanTLopp> price, so that sometimes, Raspi's come with the higher grade processor and can then be overclocked higher.
[2:28] <IanTLopp> Is it possible to determine what grade of CPU my raspi has (assuming the above is actually true)?
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[2:50] <CRImier> IanTLopp: no idea, have never heard of it
[2:50] <CRImier> Can you link the video?
[2:51] <IanTLopp> CRImier, hmmm... that is an excellent question.
[2:51] <IanTLopp> umm... it was overclocking for n64 purposes, give me a minute.
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[2:52] <IanTLopp> I *think* this was it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7XuG_3cmMg
[2:52] <IanTLopp> it's a bit long though.
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[2:53] <IanTLopp> that is the video... trying to skim through it and find where he says that.
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[2:56] <IanTLopp> it's sometime after 24 minutes.
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[3:02] <IanTLopp> CRImier, right after 28:30 in that video is where he talks about it.
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[3:03] <IanTLopp> 28:35 seems to be the exact time he starts talking about processor grades
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[4:11] <prototron> potential silly question, but honest: How do you mount one of these in a project enclosure (like a wooden box) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-6-6-5mm-4pin-Quality-Mini-Micro-Momentary-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch/32753141267.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.15.2MzU7G&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10151_10065_10130_10068_10344_10547_10342_10343_10340_10548_10341_10084_10083_10139_10307_10059_10314_10534_100031_10604_10103_10142,
[4:11] <prototron> searchweb201603_36,ppcSwitch_5_ppcChannel&algo_expid=3c8b38ea-9f6e-4612-b37b-02dc35944181-1&algo_pvid=3c8b38ea-9f6e-4612-b37b-02dc35944181&priceBeautifyAB=0?
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[4:11] <prototron> oh sorry for the flood
[4:11] <prototron> here: https://alexnld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/4cc72c11-3892-43a4-8b6b-05f2376f7171.jpg
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[4:51] <shauno> prototron: they'd usually be pcb mounted, and I'd probably stick with that. solder them onto perfboard, and screw/glue/nail that into place
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[4:53] <prototron> shauno: ok thanks
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[4:54] <shauno> they're pretty much the worst switch for that though. there's a variant with a longer actuator, 6mm or so, so the switch can go behind the panel with just the plastic top sticking through
[4:55] <shauno> otherwise there's ones with "hats" like https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32772511116.html which starts to look a bit more obvious too
[4:56] <shauno> but I think with the ones you linked, the idea is that there's something else between the switch and the user. a bit of plastic, a membrane, etc
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[9:50] <myxenovia> hi
[9:50] <myxenovia> what is the best linux distro for rpi 3
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[9:55] <Lartza> myxenovia, Use whatever suits you best
[9:58] <myxenovia> okay im trying to learn rpi
[9:59] <myxenovia> can you give me link for proper way of installing os in rpi?
[9:59] <Lartza> You get an SD card, then either format it as fat32 and copy noobs onto it, or flash an OS image with an image flasher like https://etcher.io/
[10:00] <Lartza> The distros will have instructions, or raspberrypi.org if you go with raspbian/noobs
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[11:48] <Maai> anyone had the pleasure of making music on SonicPi?
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[12:44] <alphawarr1or> Is it true that the CPU on rpi3 is not vulnerable to meltdown and the other recent exploit? I've read what arm wrote but rpi3s CPU wasn't mentioned but somewhere else they told its vulnerable as it doesn't support out of order execution. What is the truth about this then?
[12:46] <Habbie> there's a post on the pi blog
[12:46] <Habbie> claiming they are not vulnerable
[12:46] <Habbie> while also hinting at possible problems
[12:46] <Habbie> i would not conclude that they are secure today
[12:46] <Habbie> now that this is out, more will be found
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[12:56] <mlelstv> none of the rpi cpus does speculative execution, so these problems do not exist.
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[13:01] <Habbie> they do branch predict
[13:01] <Habbie> and it would not surprise me if issues with that will be found at some point
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[13:02] <mlelstv> they also divide, we know from Pentium that there can be issues :)
[13:02] <Habbie> hehe
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[13:03] <mlelstv> in any case, it won't be meltdown or spectre, but something else.
[13:03] <Habbie> sure
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[13:03] <mlelstv> even my 68060 does branch prediction :)
[13:03] <mfa298> aiui the current issues are all realated to the speculative execution which the Pi doesn't do, although I think most writeups are concentrating on the meltdown part and talking less about spectre (so we might have to see what that brings)
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[13:05] <mlelstv> the spectre part alone doesn't really bring something new.
[13:06] <mlelstv> cache timing analysis has been done before.
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[13:11] <alphawarr1or> Oh so would it be safe to turn off the patch as it would slow things down?
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[13:12] <mlelstv> the patch is mostly against meltdown.
[13:12] <mlelstv> you cannot do much against spectre.
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[13:13] <mlelstv> the biggest problem with spectre is probably Javascript :)
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[13:17] <mfa298> some of what I've seen for spectre suggests it has to be targeted towards every distinct CPU model which might make it less of a risk.
[13:18] <alphawarr1or> Hmm
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[13:19] <alphawarr1or> Well if meltdown won't affect then I van turn off right?
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[13:26] * ShorTie Thinkz, just keep good backups of the important stuff and don't fret over the little things
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[13:33] <alphawarr1or> Well my only cornern is that it'd slow my pi down for no reason
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[13:36] <ShorTie> finally the fridged is over
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[13:37] <ShorTie> these 24 kitty's are get house restless, lol.
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[13:39] <cjdc> hi folks. I'm hoping you can help me with a network issue I'm having
[13:40] <mfa298> if you're running the standard Pi kernel then you'll potentially only get the patch if the RPF folks things it's required, and by the time their kernel release catches up with the current mainline there might well be things in place so you don't get the slowdown based on cpu model.
[13:40] <cjdc> fresh raspbian jessie lite image. I alter the image so that the wpa-supplicants is invalid
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[13:40] <mfa298> that said some of the patches might be also fixing other types of exploit that havnt been described yet
[13:40] <cjdc> fresh raspbian jessie lite image. I alter the image so that the wpa-supplicants is invalid. then in the terminal , I put the right credentials in wpa_supplicants and `ifup wlan0`
[13:41] <cjdc> fresh raspbian jessie lite image. I alter the image so that the wpa-supplicants is invalid. then in the terminal , I put the right credentials in wpa_supplicants and `ifup wlan0`. It connects to the router but then `ping google.com` returns unresolved host. Some DNS issue.
[13:41] <cjdc> This doesn't happen if I have the WPA supplicants well set before the 1st boot
[13:45] <mfa298> cjdc: that sounds like it's not setting the DNS server settings properly, which might mean something else also needs restarting
[13:45] <cjdc> I've tried restarting
[13:46] <cjdc> and resolv.conf is the same on both scenarios (workint and non working)
[13:47] <ShorTie> so you break it on purpose, without making a backup, and then can't fix it, hmmm...
[13:47] * ShorTie would run a diff
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[13:49] <cjdc> ShorTie: (not sure if that was addressed to me but) I'm making the wpa_supplicants invalid at first to test the system. This is because I'll have a watchdog that is always looking for new wifi networks and joining the strongest
[13:50] <cjdc> it might happen that for one or another, the wifi config in wpa_supp is invalid/incomplete
[13:50] <ShorTie> backups are your friend
[13:51] <ShorTie> hard to cp/mv to a .1 before you trash it ??
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[13:53] <cjdc> the wpa_supplicants?
[13:54] <cjdc> I do this before the 1st boot occurs...I can recover though yes
[13:54] * ShorTie wonders how he does it "before the 1st boot" ??
[13:55] <ShorTie> wifi doesn't work on 1st though
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[13:55] <subnuclear> hello. i have a fresh installation of raspbian and i went to preferences -> rpi config -> interfaces and i enabled VNC. i saw an icon on the taskbar but i cant seem to connect
[13:56] <cjdc> I'm modifying the Raspbian image basically
[13:56] <ShorTie> most likely your connect with, must be realvnc be used i do believe
[13:57] <subnuclear> i see, i cant use a tightvnc client to connect?
[13:57] <ShorTie> not that i know of
[13:57] <Lartza> Should be able to...
[13:58] <Lartza> VNC is VNC even if realvnc has some stupid propietary technologies attached to their servers and clients
[13:58] <ShorTie> realvnc is not open source
[13:58] <Lartza> Indeed
[13:58] <ShorTie> used to be though
[13:59] <ShorTie> 10 years ago or so, they changed to realvnc only
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[13:59] <subnuclear> soooo this works but i have to use a realvnc client?
[14:00] <Lartza> ShorTie, "realvnc only"?
[14:00] <subnuclear> do i have to add the pi user in here because i dont see it in the permissions
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[14:00] <ShorTie> just use x11vnc on the pi
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[14:01] <ShorTie> what they quicky howto ??
[14:01] <Lartza> or x0vncserver
[14:01] <Lartza> ShorTie, Oh right they use their own stupid protocol it seems, mhh
[14:02] <subnuclear> whats the best way to get remote vnc ? this seemed easy enough as i just had to enable it on the rpiconfig
[14:02] <Lartza> or wait no
[14:02] <Lartza> subnuclear, What is the error you are getting?
[14:03] * ShorTie Thinkz, https://pastebin.com/JsVfHv7p
[14:05] <ShorTie> do the 'sudo dd ... EOF' in 1 c/p
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[14:08] <ShorTie> using tightvnc, it's hard to get screen :0
[14:08] <subnuclear> error in tightvnc, no security types supported, server sent security types, but we do not support any of them
[14:08] <ShorTie> the desktop, lol.
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[14:12] <pwillard> First thing I do on a fresh build is remove realvnc
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[14:13] <ShorTie> ya, there is alot of house cleaning you can do, if you want
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[14:14] <ShorTie> or just make up your own from scratch
[14:16] * ShorTie Thinkz, pi0w, that's about a day for the kernel there, lol....
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[14:21] <subnuclear> is there a app or script available to trim the fat off the stock install?
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[14:28] <ShorTie> not really
[14:30] <subnuclear> is tightvnc the best remote solutio nfor raspbian?
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[14:36] <subnuclear> i just did sudo apt-get install tightvncserver and did tightvncserver and set a password.. but the viewer says the machine actively refused the connection
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[14:37] <ShorTie> [08:08:23] <ShorTie> using tightvnc, it's hard to get screen :0
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[14:38] <ShorTie> use x11vnc on the pi, easiest/best
[14:38] <subnuclear> :( so what works?
[14:39] <ShorTie> [08:03:25] * ShorTie Thinkz, https://pastebin.com/JsVfHv7p
[14:39] <ShorTie> [08:05:47] <ShorTie> do the 'sudo dd ... EOF' in 1 c/p
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[14:43] <subnuclear> how do i exit from dd? i dont use it..
[14:45] <subnuclear> im at EOF now but i dont know how to save the file?
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[14:48] <subnuclear> thank you ShorTie! first time i ever got anything to work on raspbian
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[14:54] <subnuclear> weird it just stopped working all of a sudden
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[16:30] <cjdc> re-iterating on the same problem as ealier today
[16:31] <cjdc> starting a scratch rapsbian jessie lite -> override my wpa_supplicants.conf -> service networking restart -> wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -B
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[16:31] <cjdc> this successfully connects the RPi to my wifi network
[16:31] <cjdc> but, `ping google.com` still fails on the name resolution
[16:31] <cjdc> "unkown host google.com"
[16:32] <Comet> cjdc is your /etc/resolv.conf populated with anything?
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[16:32] <Comet> and are you getting assigned an IP in the first place?
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[16:34] <cjdc> Comet: yes my resolv.conf has: "domain mybox" and "nameserver 172.17.0.1"
[16:34] <cjdc> where mybox is the AP I'm connecting to
[16:34] <cjdc> I'm getting an IP yes
[16:34] <cjdc> 172.17.0.191
[16:35] <cjdc> but I cannot ping it from mybox
[16:35] <Comet> is 172.17.0 the right subnet for your network?
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[16:36] <Comet> cjdc just outta curiosity, change add a nameserver line in your resolv.conf file for 8.8.8.8 (google's public DNS server)
[16:37] <Comet> then try pinging again. doesn't have to be a perm change. but if it can reach out to the internet and it resolves correctly, then perhaps your router at 172.17.0.1 isn't running DNS properly.
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[16:39] <cjdc> Comet: yes I've tried that already and that works
[16:39] <cjdc> you think it is my AP then...
[16:40] <cjdc> but from my AP I can ping google.com
[16:41] <Comet> you're AP is probably using different nameservers
[16:41] <Comet> your*
[16:41] <Comet> not itself
[16:41] <Comet> most likely your ISPs nameservers, or from your main router.
[16:42] <Comet> is your AP also dishing out DHCP or is that coming from a main router of sorts?
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[16:47] <cjdc> Comet: it is my box providing the dhcp yes
[16:47] <cjdc> and yes my AP uses 8.8.8.8
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[17:03] <cjdc> Comet: sry, disconnected
[17:03] <cjdc> update: other machines in the same network have the same resolv.conf and can resolve google.com
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[17:04] <Comet> cjdc are they all connected to the same AP? and are they running Windows?
[17:04] <cjdc> yes and no
[17:04] <cjdc> mix of MacOS and RPi
[17:04] <cjdc> the AP itself is CentOS
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[17:06] <cjdc> this is somehow rapsbian related. because if I edit the wpa_supplicants before the 1st boot (by modifying the original .img)
[17:06] <cjdc> the DNS resolution will work
[17:06] <cjdc> so there is something happening on first boot
[17:06] <cjdc> or I'm misconfiguring wpa somehwere
[17:08] <Comet> usually when you boot, the network connects, DHCP asks for an IP, and it automatically populates resolv.conf with the nameservers provided by DHCP, and you're good to go.
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[17:09] <Comet> cjdc sorry if i missed it earlier, but would you mind pastebin'ing your wpa_supplicant.conf file? you can ### out your psk/password.
[17:09] <Comet> i assume you're just using network, ssid, and psk.
[17:10] <cjdc> sure: https://pastebin.com/raw/85P20GqQ
[17:10] <cjdc> yes
[17:10] <cjdc> nothing else
[17:12] <pwillard> I was under the impression that first boot had a special status. like it will enable SSH if there is a file named SSH and stuff.
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[17:56] <ShorTie> how do i get /sys/devices/platform/soc/3f300000.mmc/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:0001/mmc1:0001:1/net/wlan0/address ??
[17:57] <ShorTie> have no /net/....
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[18:22] <egonsen> do i need a pull up resistor when i want to control a relais via a gpio pin?
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[18:25] <zleap> egonsen: i am guessing relais is relays
[18:25] <zleap> it may depend if your using the gpiozero library or not
[18:26] <rbasak> Can a GPIO pin even drive a relay?
[18:26] <zleap> it can with a relay board i think
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[18:26] <rbasak> Then what pullup or pulldown is or isn't needed depends on the interface to the relay board.
[18:27] <zleap> or if the board has one built in
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[20:07] <Markus_GER> Hi there. What parts / techniques do I need to "close a switch" with a raspberry. Background is that I want to hard reset a raspberry with another raspberry (using the run headers)
[20:08] <Markus_GER> Can anybody give me a hint?
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[20:13] <H4ndy> Markus_GER: depends on how you want to hardreset, you can control a relay to cut off power to the 2nd pi
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[20:13] <Markus_GER> I want to keep it simple. Just use the run-headers.
[20:14] <Markus_GER> If I understood it correctly the pi will be resetted immediatly
[20:15] <Habbie> that is my understanding as well
[20:15] <Habbie> just connect them to gnd or 3v3, whatever the docs say
[20:15] <shauno> do the two pi share a power supply? (or a common ground atleast)
[20:16] <Markus_GER> No totally independent.
[20:16] <Habbie> you'd have to connect their grounds
[20:16] <Habbie> or use some extra element like a relay or (i might be talking nonsense here) a transistor
[20:17] <Markus_GER> I want to be able to start a programm on Pi A doing "magic" which connects the run-headers.
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[20:17] <Markus_GER> But I have absolutely no clue for google-terms :(
[20:17] <shauno> I'd probably try an optoisolator then. if you don't mind co-mingling power supplies you just need to take the run pin to ground
[20:18] <Habbie> shauno, oh yes that's a good one, then ground does not need to be common
[20:18] <Habbie> shauno, now i feel dumb, i even have a bag of those
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[20:19] <shauno> ditto. I love them. cheaper than relays, easier to drive than relays, and do pretty much the same thing for most my uses
[20:19] <Habbie> just very limited power throughput, right?
[20:19] <Habbie> 'treat them like LEDs' i have been told
[20:19] <Habbie> i've already destroyed one or two
[20:20] <shauno> yeah. for shunting signals, they're a nobrainer. for shunting power, they're either sketchy or expensive
[20:20] <Habbie> +1
[20:20] <Habbie> actually this is a great reminder for a project i'm doing in two days
[20:20] <Markus_GER> Can I trigger an optoisolator with Pi A to connect the run-headers of Pi B?
[20:21] <Habbie> Markus_GER, yes
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[20:21] <Markus_GER> Does anybody got a link to an reasonable optoisolator / documentation?
[20:22] <Habbie> i can probably find what i bought
[20:22] <Habbie> which has worked for me
[20:22] <zleap> do you have an opto-isolator
[20:23] <zleap> if you know the chip number do a search for chip number and datasheet
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[20:24] <Habbie> i got a pack of PC817 from aliexpress
[20:24] <Habbie> 50 pieces for EUR 1,33
[20:24] <Habbie> datasheet is not hard to find
[20:25] <Markus_GER> Found 817c on amazon germany - 10 for about 1,8€
[20:25] <Habbie> and delivered in two days i bet
[20:25] <zleap> good place to start, datasheets can sometimes reference further information
[20:25] <Habbie> instead of 6 weeks for aliexpress
[20:25] <Markus_GER> Pirime :)
[20:25] <Markus_GER> Prime
[20:25] <Habbie> nice
[20:25] <iio7> I have attached an external USB drive and it is working well except for this occasionally appearing in the log, but not affecting performance in any way: "kernel: usb 1-1.3: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg", is this related to the drive using to much power? And if yes, would a Y cable solve the issue?
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[20:26] <Habbie> iio7, how would you Y-cable to your pi zero?
[20:26] <iio7> It's a PI 3
[20:26] <Habbie> huh
[20:26] <shauno> I think the ones I use are http://ie.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/fod852/optocoupler-darlington-o-p/dp/1495371
[20:26] <Habbie> weird it says otg then
[20:27] <shauno> but they're all much of muchness at that level, treat the input side like an LED, the output side like a diode, and have fun
[20:27] <Habbie> and by treat the input side like an LED
[20:27] <Habbie> you mean put a few hundred ohms in series
[20:27] <Habbie> right?
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[20:28] <iio7> I just need to know that the Y cable isn't a bad solution.
[20:28] <Markus_GER> So wire the input like switch on a led, then the output will "connect the run-headers"?
[20:28] <Habbie> iio7, Y cable is fine but i am unsure it will help directly on a pi3
[20:28] <Habbie> iio7, a nice powered hub will certainly fix any power problems
[20:29] <shauno> like an LED = I tend to still give it a resistor, but past that driving it is more like "blink" and less like a relay (flyback, driver, etc)
[20:29] <Habbie> right
[20:29] <Habbie> which works for the run headers tuff
[20:29] <Habbie> header stuff
[20:30] <Markus_GER> OK. Thanks. I will try it :).
[20:30] <shauno> it probably won't expect anything else on the run side (pi B?), since that connection is expecting to be shorted to ground
[20:30] <Habbie> to ground, good
[20:30] <Habbie> wasn't sure about that
[20:31] <Habbie> wait, to ground while running, or to reset?
[20:31] <Markus_GER> I short I just need a "switchable jumper".
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[20:32] <shauno> on the pi2 it's high while it's running and you short it to ground to reset. I haven't looked, but I don't expect any different from the pi3
[20:32] <Habbie> ok
[20:32] <Habbie> so if this is being controlled from another pi
[20:32] <Habbie> it might be important to pick a pin that boots high
[20:32] <Habbie> right?
[20:32] <shauno> unless you're happy with the slave pi being screwed until control is established ;)
[20:33] <Habbie> that
[20:33] <Markus_GER> That's OK.
[20:34] <Habbie> Markus_GER, so, why do you want to reset a pi from another pi?
[20:34] <Markus_GER> I just have to make sure, the other PI is reseted
[20:34] <Markus_GER> I will do it "crossover". So Pi A -> Pi B and Pi B -> Pi A.
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[20:34] <Habbie> well that might be painful if the pin you pick wobbles during startup
[20:34] <Habbie> but what problem are you solving?
[20:34] <Habbie> in the bigger picture
[20:35] <Markus_GER> Two-Node Cluster
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[20:35] <Habbie> STONITH?
[20:35] <Markus_GER> With Pacemaker / Corosync you need a Fencing mechanism.
[20:35] <Markus_GER> Yes.
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[20:36] <Markus_GER> I will happend very seldom and I just want to make sure the service runs correctly.
[20:36] <iio7> What does the message ""kernel: usb 1-1.3: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg" mean?
[20:36] <shauno> sounds like a pie deathmatch
[20:36] <Markus_GER> It doesn't matter if the there is data loss on the restarted pi.
[20:37] <Habbie> iio7, did you just repeat your question while you got some answers?
[20:37] <Markus_GER> It works very well on real servers with IPMI.
[20:37] <Habbie> IPMI doesn't randomly get triggered from the other box while the other box is starting up
[20:37] <iio7> Habbie, no.
[20:37] <iio7> I still don't understand the cause or the meaning of the message.
[20:37] <shauno> the other standard warning about hard-resetting a pi is that sdcards are rather fragile in this respect
[20:38] <Habbie> iio7, so in my experience this means 'not enough power' or 'fragile connection'
[20:38] <Habbie> iio7, but all the message means is that the kernel is unhappy about the state of the device
[20:38] <Markus_GER> What's about "flapping" ports?
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[20:39] <iio7> Habbie, why is it that this is only specific drives? Could it be that some use less power or run with better supported connectors?
[20:39] <Habbie> iio7, i bet
[20:39] <Markus_GER> Is the behavior of all pins documented somewhere (during boot)?
[20:40] <Habbie> only anecdotally i think
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[20:40] <shauno> they should all be input (pull) once the kernel's started. afiak they're rather indeterminate before that
[20:41] <Markus_GER> This could be a problem :)
[20:41] <Habbie> i was going to say that's not true but i'm thinking of my esp8266 boards which definitely have 4-5 outputs set to 1 after startup
[20:41] <shauno> (to which end, keep in mind the 'run' pin is the cpu, not the kernel. it doesn't care what's running, if anything's running, etc)
[20:41] <Habbie> Markus_GER, i did warn you :)
[20:41] <Habbie> shauno, only benefit to the run pin should be not cutting power to the SD?
[20:42] <shauno> that sounds logical but I'm not sure I could make any promises
[20:42] <Habbie> ack
[20:42] <Habbie> i'm only guessing as well
[20:43] <Markus_GER> Probably can reduce the risk by fitting in another optoisolator which must be "activated to be able to switch?
[20:43] <Markus_GER> (hope you understood).
[20:43] <Habbie> i understand
[20:43] <Habbie> but then you'd need to reverse polarity somehow
[20:43] <Habbie> at which point i'm way out of my depth
[20:43] <Habbie> i suspect one can buy transistors that 'negate'
[20:44] <Markus_GER> Why negate?
[20:44] <Markus_GER> Can't the first opto be activated all the time?
[20:44] <Habbie> because as shauno said, the run header needs to be high to not reset
[20:44] <shauno> does sound like a fun one. you need some kind of tiebreaker
[20:44] <shauno> oh it's already high, it has a pullup. one sec
[20:44] <Markus_GER> I am more the IT-Guy :)
[20:45] <Habbie> i'm also having trouble wrapping my head around opto-isolators and pullups/pulldowns
[20:45] <Markus_GER> Can configure you clusters and all the stuff. Now I am looking at electronics.
[20:45] <Markus_GER> And out of this there are such ideas :D
[20:45] <Habbie> hehe
[20:45] <Habbie> that's how we learn
[20:45] <shauno> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/pi2schem.pdf center-bottom of the first sheet. it has a 10k pullup so it's high by default, but if you jump P6, ground wins
[20:46] <Markus_GER> How dare you. I just told you I am an IT-Guy and you gave me this :D
[20:46] <shauno> hm
[20:46] <Habbie> what if the optocoupler had an LDR
[20:46] <Habbie> wouldn't it negate then?
[20:46] <shauno> okay, more logically. if you needed to take it high for it to run, we'd all have to take it high every time
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[20:47] <shauno> so we can assume running is the default state, because my pi works. so you don't have to worry about the default, you only need to upset it when required
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[20:48] <Markus_GER> My idea was to implement another opto in the way (with another PIN) to create a known state AFTER the boot
[20:48] <Markus_GER> If before full boot the PINs are flapping the risk is a little bit lower to succeed, isn't it?
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[20:49] <Markus_GER> But this I have to activate all the time so the second could be activated as necessary.
[20:49] <Markus_GER> But as said: Just the it-guy.
[20:50] <Habbie> so why is an it-guy doing stuff with raspi for work?
[20:50] <Markus_GER> Not for work.
[20:50] <Habbie> ok!
[20:50] <Habbie> that does change things
[20:50] <Markus_GER> I am building a home at the moment.
[20:50] <Habbie> because if it's for work, spending days on getting this right with cheap hardware does not make sense
[20:50] <Habbie> unless budgeting is a mess
[20:51] <Markus_GER> No for work I would ask my boss just to spend the money for several UPS and stuff :)
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[20:51] <shauno> this could be useful, if it still holds true - the third post on https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24491
[20:51] <Habbie> ok, good
[20:51] <Markus_GER> But this is "just" for my smart-home.
[20:51] <Markus_GER> Because of the IT-Background I want my temperature-monitoring high availablility
[20:51] <Markus_GER> available.
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[20:51] <egonsen> what voltage do gpios have after reboot?
[20:51] <Markus_GER> Not as everybody else "just works"
[20:51] <shauno> he claims "five of the 17 available GPIO lines are pulled high by default (the rest are pulled low)". If that's true from power-on it could be very useful
[20:51] <Habbie> do you really need one pi to kill the other one for that?
[20:52] <Habbie> egonsen, as shauno said, all inputs when boot is done most likely, unreliable until then
[20:52] <Habbie> shauno, indeed
[20:52] <Markus_GER> Ok some deeper insight: I will create a two-node-cluster for monitoring purposes with two pis.
[20:52] <Markus_GER> As known for a functional two-node-cluster Fencing (aka stonith) MUST work!
[20:52] <shauno> also, I'd be very tempted to stick a little avr as a middle-man. Then Mr. IT can handle tie-breaking in C :)
[20:53] <HrdwrBoB> 100% your cluster will be less reliable than a single pi in the long term
[20:53] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[20:53] <Habbie> Markus_GER, what in your requirements needs one pi to kill the other?
[20:53] <HrdwrBoB> having setup a lot of HA stuff
[20:53] <Habbie> HrdwrBoB, same
[20:53] <Markus_GER> Me, too :)
[20:53] <HrdwrBoB> 99% of the time the HA stuff breaks
[20:53] <Markus_GER> Mine works quite good :D
[20:53] <Habbie> HrdwrBoB, coworkers: 'we need to cluster redis!' me: 'how about we have two entirely independent masters that both consume the data and we switch the slaves with a script when one dies' 'what'
[20:54] <HrdwrBoB> Habbie: haha exactly
[20:54] <Markus_GER> Thought also this for a solution.
[20:54] <Habbie> they still haven't fully budged
[20:54] <Markus_GER> But then I must double the sensors.
[20:54] <Habbie> Markus_GER, how will you share the sensors in your proposed setup?
[20:55] <Markus_GER> the cluster-software will make sure the sensors are just triggered by one (the active)
[20:55] <Habbie> how are the sensors connected?
[20:55] <HrdwrBoB> we use DRBD (replicated blockdevices). Turns out that if the network unexpectedly dies, DRBD (because it's in kernel) tries to access the network data which is in DMA (because TCP offloading) which just went away... kernel crashes, but DRBD is still 'working' but trying to read data
[20:55] <Markus_GER> Not yet, but I am planning to use the DHT22
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[20:55] <shauno> this honestly sounds like more of a job for the hardware watchdog. just pat the dog whenever you successfully post the values to wherever they're going.
[20:55] <Habbie> Markus_GER, how will you connect a DHT22 to two pis?
[20:55] <HrdwrBoB> as a result, the other host freezes all I/O because it waits for a successful write
[20:56] <Habbie> HrdwrBoB, yeah, don't do DRBD :)
[20:56] <HrdwrBoB> managed to fix it
[20:56] <Markus_GER> @HrdwrBoB SEcond that. I won't use shared storage.
[20:56] <HrdwrBoB> but no DRBD and it never would have happened
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[20:56] <HrdwrBoB> Markus_GER: not shared storage
[20:56] <HrdwrBoB> replicated storage
[20:56] <Markus_GER> Sorry. Was on the wrong train.
[20:57] <Markus_GER> @Habbie: Don't now.
[20:57] <shauno> (hardware watchdog is exceedingly simple. software must make an affirmative action within the set frequency, or the cpu reboots. "or the cpu reboots" is already hardware-implemented for you)
[20:57] <Habbie> Markus_GER, maybe start there
[20:57] <Habbie> Markus_GER, also, a DHT22 is not expensive - one per pi might make sense and then you need a lot less magic
[20:58] <Markus_GER> Thought about connecting the data pin to both pis?
[20:58] <Habbie> well
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[20:58] <Habbie> what of one the pis connects it to ground while off?
[20:58] <Markus_GER> Yeah, but I must double the cables, because with two I "fill" a whole Cat5-cable.
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[20:58] <Habbie> then the other one may not be able to read it either
[20:59] <Markus_GER> I ordered everything today and will play around.
[20:59] <Habbie> cool
[21:00] <shauno> out of curiousity .. what temperature are you measuring?
[21:00] <Markus_GER> Plan-B is going with two independent pis, two dht22, the watchdog and an intelligent layer implemented with postgresql to have ONE date.
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[21:00] <Markus_GER> @shauno: Every room in the house
[21:00] <Markus_GER> about 17-to 20.
[21:00] <Habbie> you have 20 rooms? or 10?
[21:00] <Markus_GER> Next topic will be GPIO-Extender, because every DHT22 needs a separate pin.
[21:01] <shauno> I hope he means 17-20 celcius lol. else that's 40 pi and this is gonna get messy
[21:01] <Habbie> shauno, no, he did say utp and gpio extender
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[21:01] <Habbie> so i'm guessing two pi per house
[21:01] <Habbie> not per room
[21:01] <Markus_GER> 2 Pis for the house
[21:01] <Markus_GER> I want to build an appliance.
[21:01] <Habbie> if i wanted this i would totally go for one esp8266 (or two if you really care) per room
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[21:01] <Markus_GER> But I don't want to use WLAN :(
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[21:02] <Markus_GER> And if you use ethernet I think it will be expensive
[21:02] <Markus_GER> I am new to microcontrollers.
[21:02] <Habbie> i bet there are esp-like devices with wired ethernet support that are not much more expensive
[21:02] <shauno> I believe the esp32 does, it's just BYO PHY
[21:02] <Habbie> i also recall this
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[21:02] <Markus_GER> Thought about RS485, but I will be alot more complex.
[21:02] <Markus_GER> Also I am not really fit in C :(
[21:03] <shauno> I have some wonderful sensors I use for this, but the company that made them disappeared
[21:03] <Markus_GER> I also thought about 1wire, but they don't have real good humity-sensors
[21:04] <shauno> (wonderful = rf, 18-24 months on a watch battery, etc)
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[21:04] <Markus_GER> I also ordered a 50m cable. Will try two sensors at the end of it.
[21:04] <Markus_GER> Thanks for your support.
[21:04] <Habbie> good to try, yes
[21:04] <Habbie> hope we've helped you along a bit
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[21:05] <Markus_GER> Sure. 20 minutes ago I didn't have any idea.
[21:05] <Habbie> sure
[21:05] <Markus_GER> Now, let's call it ... idea :D
[21:05] <Habbie> i can also see how we've made some matters more confusing
[21:05] <Habbie> then again confusion can be better than wrong clarity
[21:05] <Markus_GER> The tip with flapping pins and the link is gold.
[21:05] <Habbie> ack
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[21:06] <shauno> yeah. the naive approach there could lead to two pis playing romeo & juliet. that's a complication worth forseeing I think
[21:06] <Markus_GER> Bye
[21:06] <Markus_GER> I will think about my idea with 4 optos
[21:06] <Markus_GER> And probably will end in two separate without any magic :)
[21:06] <Habbie> :)
[21:06] <Markus_GER> But this would be boring, won't it?
[21:07] <Habbie> well yes
[21:07] <Habbie> so one thing i did forget to say is
[21:07] <Habbie> you have been given -practical- advice
[21:07] <Habbie> and i would suggest you do your in house wiring based on practical advice
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[21:07] <Habbie> what you do in one spot, with 1 pi or 5 pi, and a bunch of software
[21:07] <Habbie> do what excites you
[21:07] <Habbie> you can always give up and go practical
[21:08] <Markus_GER> I will scale up my test when I have the first 5 sensors running.
[21:08] <Habbie> :)
[21:08] <Markus_GER> So now I have to go. Have a nice day / evening / whatever :)
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[21:09] <shauno> unrelated, I did this DIY wireless thermostat mess. I had a fun bug. my wireless sensors all publish a string like "KTTEMP0123", which would be 012.3C Temperature from sensor KT. They'll also publish KTBARR1234, KTBATT0300, etc
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[21:09] <shauno> so I wrote everything to break that string into two letters, four letters, four digits. simples.
[21:10] <shauno> while I just happened to be on the other side of the continent, my heating came on, stayed on, and my house reached 29C. when I got back, I discovered one of my sensors was sending "OUBATTLOW", and everything fell over
[21:10] <Habbie> haha
[21:10] <shauno> "LOW " isn't an int, everything died, and died again every time the sensor complained
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[21:12] <shauno> just interesting to think that his cluster of two pi would just mean two pi resetting every time it published, instead of one
[21:13] <Habbie> haha
[21:13] <Habbie> yes
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[21:13] <shauno> I had a similar blinker. I was paranoid about what happens if the wifi cuts out. I didn't see any other problems coming
[21:16] <Habbie> :)
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[21:16] <NGC3982> im getting the power icon. can onboard software help me determine what's wrong, or is simply changing the charger the only way?
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[21:17] <NGC3982> s/power icon/under voltage warning.
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[21:18] <Habbie> i don't know if there is any debugging you can do
[21:18] <Habbie> but no amount of software debugging will fix your voltage
[21:18] <Habbie> that said
[21:18] <Habbie> it may not be the charger
[21:18] <Habbie> it may be the cable
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[21:18] <NGC3982> yeah, i think so. the cable is old, and the psu is new.
[21:18] <NGC3982> and >spec
[21:19] <Habbie> start there then
[21:20] <ShorTie> look for 1 with 22awg or smaller printed on it
[21:21] * ShorTie Thinkz, no brcmfmac43430-sdio.bin be my problemo
[21:23] <egonsen> when i connect a gpio with ground and set the gpio to low, my volt meter shows a increasing or decreasing voltage level every few ms. why is it not permanently at 0?
[21:23] <uriah> I think i messed up my pi3 64bit kernel config with regards to wifi... the driver loads automatically and the firmware loads without complaining, but for some reason every command sent to wlan0 errors out with -110 (timeout)
[21:23] <uriah> has anyone here had this issue before?
[21:24] <Habbie> egonsen, is it set as input or output?
[21:24] <egonsen> Habbie, output
[21:24] <Habbie> egonsen, then why connect it to ground?
[21:24] <egonsen> i just wanted to see whether it is 0v
[21:25] <Habbie> egonsen, what voltage level are you seeing? how is your volt meter connected?
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[21:27] <egonsen> Habbie, the gpio is connected via a male-female jumper cable to my breadboard. on the breadboard is a male-male jumper cable connected to the ground line (i need that additional cable because the pins are long enough for the volt meter to connect) and the ground line is connected to pi's gnd via male-female
[21:28] <egonsen> the volt meter is connected to both sides of the male-male cable
[21:28] <Habbie> and you are seeing voltage differences between the two ends of your male-male cable?
[21:28] <egonsen> yes
[21:28] <Habbie> well that makes no sense
[21:29] <Habbie> the voltage difference between two ends of a cable should be zero
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[21:30] <egonsen> hm, it does not
[21:31] <Habbie> i don't think the pi could be causing that
[21:31] <Habbie> you'd need some serious interference to get this
[21:31] <ShorTie> wrong
[21:31] <Habbie> do tell
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[21:31] <ShorTie> voltage difference between two ends of a cable will be different
[21:32] <Habbie> because the resistance in the cable gives a drop?
[21:32] <ShorTie> wire has resistance
[21:32] <Habbie> and this drop could be load dependent?
[21:32] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[21:32] <Habbie> got it
[21:32] <Habbie> thanks
[21:32] <Habbie> still a noob :)
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[21:32] <shauno> an output connected to 0v is generally a bad idea. outputting high to ground is likely to damage the cpu
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[21:32] <Habbie> that too
[21:32] <ShorTie> size of the wire determines the amount of voltage drop too...
[21:32] <Habbie> lower awg is better
[21:32] <Habbie> as you mentioned in a different topic just now
[21:33] <ShorTie> ya
[21:33] <egonsen> how do devices know that the gpio is at 0v? you just said it cannot be 0v?
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[21:33] <Habbie> egonsen, nobody said that
[21:33] <Habbie> egonsen, shauno said 'do not connect outputs to 0v'
[21:33] <Habbie> egonsen, ShorTie said 'voltage diff over a wire is possible because of losses'
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[21:35] <egonsen> if there is voltage loss, how do devices know whether it's high or low?
[21:35] <egonsen> something like "everything below 3.3v = low"?
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[21:36] <shauno> high or low are a bit more vague than they appear. generally above 2/3 = high, below 1/3 = low, and between 1/3 and 2/3 = indeterminate, but sods law says it's the opposite of what you expected
[21:36] <mine9> egonsen check the datasheet, on 3.3v stuff I see a +/- 5% or +/- 0.3v spec
[21:37] <Habbie> i remember a 3.4 cutoff for 5v stuff
[21:37] <mine9> all depends on the device what the spec will be and how it will react to an out of spec rail
[21:37] <shauno> (this is a rough rule-of-thumb, and does vary between architectures. some things are a bit more binary about 1.8v)
[21:37] <Habbie> which roughly matches 2/3
[21:37] <Habbie> i did find that 5v stuff will -sometimes- work with pi gpio
[21:37] <mine9> anywhere from bad output or oscillation or excessive heating or flat out nothing
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[21:38] <mine9> I've seen some TTL specs mention that they kinda-work down to close to 3v
[21:38] <mine9> but again depends on the application and the device and the specs involved
[21:38] <shauno> 5v gets annoying because some things will take a pi's high as a ttl high - but if the 5v device replies, you cause damage
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[21:38] <Habbie> sure - i've only been careless with stuff that does not talk back
[21:39] <Habbie> wikipedia says TTL is 0-0.8 low, 2-5 high
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[21:40] <shauno> cmos is a bit closer to my third I think. but you still end up with a gray area in both
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[21:42] <Habbie> ack
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[22:51] <g105b> I want to run a script when the pi gets _internet_, rather than just a LAN connection. Is there a way I can do this?
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[23:04] <mk-fg> g105b, You can use something like "fping ... 8.8.8.8 && myscript" with high fping timeout
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[23:23] <g105b> mk-fg: ah that makes sense, I'll do that, but where should I put the fping command? Something todo with if-up ?
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[23:23] <g105b> I suppose I could just put it in the bottom of rc.local?
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[23:28] <mk-fg> g105b, I'd probably create systemd service with fping in ExecStartPre=
[23:29] <mk-fg> If it's a distro with systemd, as most are these days, that is
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[23:30] <g105b> The distro comes with systemd, but my brain doesn't. It seems quite confusing to me.
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[23:37] <mk-fg> I'm a bit of the opposite - barely remember how if-up works in debians or whether it's a good idea to block in rc.local :)
[23:37] <mk-fg> But any option you're more familiar with should work with fping, as it doesn't depend on anything init-wise
[23:38] <Habbie> it's never been a good idea to block in rc.local :)
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[23:39] <g105b> I'll learn how to use systemd properly.
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[23:46] <mlelstv> .oO( late new year's resolution? )
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[23:53] <shauno> I think it's worth a few minutes of your time. It does appear that ignoring it isn't making it go away
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[23:54] <shauno> (it's not so bad though, really. simple units are strikingly simple, and after that you need only learn each feature as you find need for it)
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