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IRC Log for 2018-01-14

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[0:01] <MTecknology> hrm... the update seemed to almost go really well. The only issue I have is the mifi dongle not being recognized.
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[0:19] <spacerabbit> id use arduinos for theses
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[0:40] <MTecknology> lsusb lists the device, it seems to be in the correct mode (set by udev), but it's not showing up as an available networking device. :(
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[0:43] <MTecknology> and it worked before updating to raspbian 9... gall durnit
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[1:55] <MTecknology> somehow, I managed to jiggle it enough and it started working
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[1:59] <MTecknology> and now I'm 100% off of debian 8 :D
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[2:02] * ShorTie Thinkz, but raspbian is Debian
[2:06] <MTecknology> oh... I think it was installing kernel headers and restarting that got it to start working.
[2:07] <ShorTie> restarting never hurts
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[2:27] <bobstro> you're going to miss out on all the fun of predictable interface names by upgrading!
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[3:12] <spacerabbit> imho it doesnt change anything really
[3:13] <spacerabbit> i mean its good to have predictable interface names but it doesnt shake up your worlk
[3:13] <spacerabbit> d
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[5:41] <IanTLopp> I ordered another raspi zero 1.2!!!! mwahahaha
[5:41] <IanTLopp> so damn hard to find for some reason. :(
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[5:46] <spacerabbit> no zero W?
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[5:59] <IanTLopp> I have a couple of those, but for this project I needed the 1.2s
[6:00] <IanTLopp> the 1.3's are slightly larger as are the Ws
[6:00] <IanTLopp> now I just need one more 1.2
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[7:15] * MTecknology needs the extra horse power that comes w/ the pi3, else the pi0 would look really interesting.
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[8:08] <IanTLopp> MTecknology, it just depends upon what you want to do with it.
[8:08] <IanTLopp> I intend for my raspi 0's to run as 16bit emulation consoles inside VMUs (at least the 1.2's)
[8:09] <MTecknology> I like to manage thing with saltstack and to run salt-minion, it kinda needs the rpi3
[8:10] <MTecknology> it'll work on the rpi2b, but it requires setting a really high timeout value.
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[8:13] <IanTLopp> not familiar with that application
[8:13] <MTecknology> config management, like puppet, ansible, cfengine, or chef
[8:14] * IanTLopp is not familiar with puppet, ansible, cfengine, or chef either.
[8:14] <IanTLopp> heh.
[8:14] <IanTLopp> not applications that I mess with I suppose.
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[8:15] <IanTLopp> no biggie - did a brief search and it's not in a field I mess with so, for now, don't need to know.
[8:15] <IanTLopp> or at least, don't need to research further.
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[8:17] <MTecknology> my specialization is system automation. My latest personal project is getting to the point where I define a VM/VPS in Netbox and wait for salt to deploy/configure or destroy the system, get it in the load balancer, get it in dns, etc.
[8:18] <IanTLopp> destroying a system seems counter productive.
[8:18] <MTecknology> if I remove it from inventory, I want automation to make sure it no longer exists
[8:19] <IanTLopp> ok
[8:19] <IanTLopp> so what are these vm's supposed to do that you're setting up?
[8:21] <MTecknology> depends on what I name them. If something is named prd-lb50-01.sub.domain.tld, then it's a load balancer for vlan 50. If it's named prd-ns-*, then it's a name server. Whatever I previously stuck into the git repos that salt reads from will define what is configured on that system.
[8:22] <MTecknology> prd-pubweb-* is my public web site, dev-pubweb-* is for an internal testing copy of it.
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[8:29] <IanTLopp> ok
[8:30] <IanTLopp> I get most of that...
[8:30] <MTecknology> If you're curious.. https://github.com/MTecknology/saltstack-demo
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[8:31] <MTecknology> pillar = private data specific to nodes or clusters of nodes; states = blocks that define the current state a thing should be in; data = my own name for extra files that states use for templates 'n such
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[8:33] <MTecknology> Since that demo repo, I came up with a much more dynamic way to handle cluster setups, since I also tried to design it all around the idea that anything can become redundant behind a LB.
[8:34] <IanTLopp> LB?
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[8:39] <MTecknology> loab balancer
[8:39] <MTecknology> load*
[8:39] <IanTLopp> ahh.
[8:41] <IanTLopp> problem is, I know the concept of a load balancer, but I don't know what it's being used for in your setup. What I know of load balancers is using multiple network connections to allow faster data transfers, a load balancer makes sure that all the duty of a data transfer is properly balanced across the multiple connections.
[8:41] <MTecknology> https://gist.github.com/MTecknology/834a8b10a80503dcd57f65c184737d86
[8:41] <IanTLopp> of course I could be horrifyingly wrong, but that's what I understand it to be.
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[8:46] <MTecknology> LB doesn't need to be specifically physical connections. It can be balancing traffic between two app servers and switching load to other nodes if one goes down
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[8:46] <IanTLopp> okay... makes sense.
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[9:00] <MTecknology> actually... the bestest best load balancers are physical pieces of hardware (like f5 or a10) that understand lots of things at most of the layers of the osi model. Those suckers can do fancy things like maintaining synchronized session states between devices so that even stateful protos won't notice an outage of one of the devices.
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[13:24] <Vooloo> is the rpi a good fit to run a lightweight server 24/7? It will run a intranet web app with nginx/mysql. I want something with lower power consumption and have a long life
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[13:31] <AntiComposite> While the RPi is not "production hardware", it does handle that type of job fairly well.
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[13:33] <mfa298> the thing to look out for is writes breakign the SD card - so if there's a lot of DB activity it might be better to move that onto a spinning drive or SSD (over USB)
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[13:34] <mfa298> personally I've not had any SD card issues on newer Pis with good brand uSD cards, but some others have had issues
[13:34] <Vooloo> yes I will probably use an external HD
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Vooloo, I run several 24/7. Phone system, oven controllers, stuff like that.
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[14:20] <Vooloo> gordonDrogon: okay nice, do you know how many kW per month such a system uses approx?
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[14:55] <gordonDrogon> Vooloo, no idea, but it's the sort of thing I'd suggest you work out for yourself. Start by assuming a Pi runs at 4 watts and take it from there.
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> and note your units - you really want to know kWh, not kW.
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[16:06] <spacerabbit> kW per month = kWh * 24 * 30
[16:07] <spacerabbit> a rpi idles at 1W
[16:08] <spacerabbit> a rpi that runs year round wont cost much more than 1€ per year for electricity
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[16:09] <spacerabbit> ( 24 * 365 * 0.12 ) / 1000 = 1.0512
[16:09] <spacerabbit> 0.12 = cost per Kwh
[16:10] <spacerabbit> basically you pay approximately 1eur/1usd per watt used on a whole year basis
[16:10] <spacerabbit> with that electricity pricing around 12 cents per kwh
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[16:12] <spacerabbit> Vooloo: so per month > 1 * 24 * 30 / 1000 = 0,72kw
[16:13] <spacerabbit> (idling)
[16:13] <spacerabbit> a *rpi3* idles at 1W
[16:14] <spacerabbit> https://i.imgur.com/ObMhTah.png
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[16:19] <Vooloo> spacerabbit: okay thanks
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[16:22] <BurtyB> + whatever your psu/cable/etc wastes
[16:22] <spacerabbit> since its a little bit more than 1W and there is PSU losses id say 1kwh per month
[16:22] <spacerabbit> that would be more accurate
[16:22] <spacerabbit> it was easier to pick 1W to show the maths
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[16:23] <H4ndy> 12 cents per kWh, thats something I haven't seen in my life
[16:23] <spacerabbit> yeah that's why i precised it
[16:24] <spacerabbit> you have to swap it with your own cost
[16:24] <spacerabbit> nuclear power is cheap here hehe
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[16:25] <spacerabbit> anyway, the point is unless you run many of them, the eletricity costs are negligible
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[16:26] <mfa298> I'm not sure I'd trust 1W idle of the Pi3, I suspect its a bit more than that (my PoE switch shows 2W currently for one of my Pi3s)
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[16:27] <spacerabbit> its measured @the 5v output
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[16:28] <spacerabbit> doesnt take into account various losses
[16:28] <spacerabbit> 16:14 < spacerabbit> https://i.imgur.com/ObMhTah.png
[16:28] <mfa298> I'm still not sure I'd beleive 1W for the Pi3
[16:28] <spacerabbit> its not exactly 1W look at the pic
[16:28] <spacerabbit> 16:22 < spacerabbit> it was easier to pick 1W to show the maths
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[16:29] <mfa298> Id question how you're measuring that - I'm not sure I'd necessarily trust my switch - although I'd trust it more than a cheap meter.
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[16:29] <spacerabbit> depending on your average load you factor in the numbers
[16:30] <spacerabbit> mfa298: theres plenty of people who have done their measurements
[16:30] <spacerabbit> you can look them up and compare
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[16:31] <spacerabbit> theses are mine, idk if they are 100% accurate
[16:31] <mfa298> your pi3 numbers look somewhat similar to what I've seen from various others for the Pi0 idle and it would seem unlikely the Pi3 has similar power draw to the Pi0
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[17:12] <Encrypt> Hello guys \o/
[17:13] <Encrypt> It seems I've found what I am looking for to have fun with home automation :D
[17:13] <Encrypt> I'll use Home Assistant with MySensors
[17:13] <Encrypt> And a Raspberry Pi will act as a gateway
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[18:01] <ikkuranus> I have a pi3 with a usb serial dongle connected to my managed switch
[18:01] <ikkuranus> I'm using screen to connect to it
[18:01] <ikkuranus> how can I make the backspace key work instead of having to push control + h
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[18:04] <akk> Does the backspace key send anything? It should.
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[18:07] <ikkuranus> checking
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[18:09] <ikkuranus> sends nothing
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[18:09] <caoliver> sudo showkey
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[18:10] * caoliver forgets if "showkey" is in the standard distro.
[18:10] <akk> It might be something screen is doing on your end. My backspace key erases characters in bash.
[18:11] <ikkuranus> it works in bash
[18:11] <akk> Though sudo showkey doesn't show anything for it, apparently the terminal is still in cooked mode so it's still erasing characters even in showkey.
[18:11] <caoliver> Ignore me. I thought you had a keyboard hooked up directly.
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[18:12] <caoliver> showkey dumps scancodes for a locally attached keyboard.
[18:12] <ikkuranus> well right now I'm sshing into it but yes I do have a keyboard hooked up
[18:12] <akk> ikkuranus: It works in bash? Where does it not work? Evidently it's a problem with whatever program that is.
[18:12] <ikkuranus> locally to the pi
[18:13] <akk> Can you be more specific about the exact problem you're seeing?
[18:13] <caoliver> Ok. You say "it works in bash." This implies something you run doesn't handle BS or terminal settings correctly.
[18:13] <akk> I assumed we were talking about something on the pi, that's the default for questions ehre.
[18:14] <akk> here
[18:14] <caoliver> I'm assuming there's some termios muckity-muck that's not handled correctly.
[18:15] <ikkuranus> I thought I was specific. while using screen the backspace key don't send anything to the connected serial device
[18:15] <akk> ikkuranus: screen is normally used as a way to log in to the pi, and run bash.
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[18:16] <akk> ikkuranus: But you said it works in bash, so we're guessing you're connecting, then (in bash) running some other program where the key doesn't do what you expect.
[18:16] <ikkuranus> screen -l /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:19] <caoliver> akk, do you mean GNU screen here?
[18:19] <ikkuranus> yes
[18:19] <caoliver> OK. I ordinarily use a rxvt terminal window, but OK.
[18:19] <akk> yes, which is a tool most often used for logging in to the pi to get a bash shell.
[18:20] <akk> Maybe ikkuranus is using it to do something else but hasn't told us what.
[18:20] <ikkuranus> yes I have
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[18:21] <ikkuranus> at the top I stated that I'm using to connect to my managed switch
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[18:22] <akk> Oh! You're running screen on the pi to connect to something else (I don't actually know what a managed switch is), not running screen on another computer to connect to the pi?
[18:22] <akk> This is a network switch that's managed over a serial line?
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[18:23] <ikkuranus> yes it has a serial port for inital setup and debugging
[18:23] <caoliver> I'm glancing at the man page for GNU screen, and I'm not seeing on option for connecting to a given tty.
[18:24] <akk> And on the pi, you're using a directly connected keyboard or ssh, same result either way?
[18:24] <ikkuranus> usb keyboard directly
[18:24] <caoliver> I think you may be using the wrong tool to talk to the port's serial line.
[18:25] <ikkuranus> it works other then that but if you think another one would work better
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[18:25] <caoliver> If /dev/ttyUSB0 is some sort of USB serial adapter, you might want to look into seyon or minicom.
[18:25] <akk> Screen seems like a reasonable tool -- it's what I use on linux to type to a serial line.
[18:25] <akk> And it should send backspace like any other key.
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[18:26] <ikkuranus> control + h works to backspace but that's kind of tedious
[18:26] <akk> ikkuranus, do you have a .screenrc ?
[18:27] <ikkuranus> no
[18:27] <caoliver> I thought GNU screen was for multiplexing several sessions over pseudo-terminals.
[18:28] <akk> caoliver: It's used for a lot of things, but one of those is that it's the most common tool for running a terminal over a serial port.
[18:29] <akk> (most common tool on linux)
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[18:29] <akk> Seems strange, I know, but it seems to be the best supported option.
[18:29] <akk> ikkuranus, this bug might be related (it's long, I haven't finished reading it): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/29787
[18:30] <caoliver> Eh? I've been using screen for about 30 years, and it's never been about serial port manipulation.
[18:30] <akk> ikkuranus: You can probably put something in .screenrc to map backspace to ctrl-h
[18:30] <akk> caoliver: As I said, it's used for lots of other things too, but that's one thing it's commonly used for.
[18:31] <caoliver> I'd use minicom simply 'cos it exposes termios params via its command interface.
[18:31] * caoliver is doing that on a commercial project now.
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[18:32] <akk> ikkuranus: Try the workaround in comment 24 in that bug.
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[18:34] <ikkuranus> ok
[18:35] <akk> ikkuranus: Here's another possible fix (I don't know if it works): https://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2007/05/01/how-to-fix-the-backspace-key-in-screen/
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[18:42] <ikkuranus> #24 worked
[18:43] <Blade2021> Does anyone know if you can use a function node in Node-red to check time?
[18:43] <caoliver> TIL device windows.
[18:43] <Blade2021> did a quick search but didn't see anything.
[18:43] <caoliver> Was it an stty thing?
[18:45] <caoliver> !!stty erase ^H
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[18:56] <akk> It probably was coming from stty but that mapping lets it ignore the stty settings.
[18:57] <akk> I figured ikkuranus was fine with the existing stty settings so it was better not to change them.
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[19:00] <Rickta59> I'm a putty fan
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[19:00] <caoliver> Still. TIL I don't need seyon and minicom.
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[19:32] * caoliver just crosswired two USB serial dongles and made them talk to each other via screen.
[19:33] <caoliver> I suspect hardware port support was added subsequent to the time I learned screen.
[19:33] <caoliver> I used it the run emacs and test runs on separate terminal when I had to use a vt220 in a public lab to access Suns.
[19:34] <caoliver> I think it just did ptys then.'
[19:34] <caoliver> So please forgive my ignorance.
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[19:34] <ikkuranus> previously I had set that switch up using an old windows computer that still had a serial port
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[19:36] <caoliver> I jut have dumb switches here anyhow. I do have serial dongles on a project, and this will be useful. Minicom was always a hinky thing. I won't miss it. ;)
[19:36] <ikkuranus> I'm getting a newer switch that has 10GB sfp+ ports and POE so I figured I better have something to configure it with
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[19:37] <Syliss> usb to serial ftw
[19:37] <caoliver> That sounds like corporate hardware.
[19:38] <ikkuranus> well newer to me but still pretty damn old
[19:38] <Syliss> nah, you can get mikrotiks with that
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[19:38] <Syliss> or ubnt stuff
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[19:38] <ikkuranus> only probably I have with ubnt is only their over the top stuff has sfp+
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> minicom works for me - well enough that I've never bothered to write my own.
[19:38] <caoliver> Last I checked, 10GB over wire was pretty expensive.
[19:39] <ikkuranus> can't get that with the 24port or less models
[19:39] <Syliss> ikkuranus: yeah i know, i work for a wisp and we use some of their stuff
[19:39] <Syliss> im bummed brocade is gone now
[19:40] <ikkuranus> but for 145$ I got 2x dell 5524p
[19:40] <caoliver> gordonDrogon, sadly, some of the serial stuff I talk to uses a binary format, so terminal chats get you only so far.
[19:41] <stiv> is xmodem still around?
[19:41] <caoliver> That's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> x,y,z modem are file xfer protocols - unually buried in terminal programs these days.
[19:42] <caoliver> I don't think I've seen those since my early dial-up days.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Kermit was popular in the UK.
[19:43] <caoliver> Over 20 years ago
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[19:43] <caoliver> I forget what I ran on the Amiga.
[19:44] <caoliver> In 1994, two friends and I started a mom-and-pop ISP, and I set up a Linux box and it was on a dedicated line chatting CSLIP.
[19:44] <akk> I think I ran something on PCs that had a really short name, like xz.
[19:44] <caoliver> I don't think I've dealt with serial file tranfer since.
[19:44] <caoliver> Yup.
[19:45] <akk> I have sometimes wished for serial file transfer to the pi
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> oh, uuencode, uucp, etc. still exists and still work if you have a mind to use them...
[19:45] <akk> when I'm stuck somewhere where there's no wifi and I'm using the serial cable.
[19:45] <caoliver> ether?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> akk, you have a million options.
[19:45] <BurtyB> akk, sz?
[19:45] <akk> oh, wow, it's been a looong time since having to use uucp
[19:45] <akk> BurtyB: That sounds right.
[19:46] <ikkuranus> they used to use uuencode on usenet before yenc
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> and before base64 which is a bit more efficient (but not much more) than uu.
[19:46] <caoliver> These days, I'd just do point-to-point ether and scp the beast.
[19:46] <akk> gordonDrogon: I should look into that. I guess maybe with a program like minicom rather than using screen?
[19:47] <caoliver> Null ethers aren't that hard.
[19:47] <akk> (to copy files)
[19:47] <akk> I did used to use an ethernet to talk to a standalone pi, but the serial cable is easier
[19:47] <akk> and works on pi0 which doesn't have an ethernet port
[19:47] <caoliver> And far slower
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> akk, I keep being told minicom is old, but I stopped using screen the day I had a Sun 3/50 on my desk and could open more than one xterm...
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[19:47] <ikkuranus> I'm not going to bother with that on my newer switch since it has a usb port to upload configs and probably even firmware
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> akk minicom supports xmodem xfer, so you can minicom into a Pi via serial then run lrzsz on the Pi then xmodem files into it.
[19:48] <akk> gordonDrogon: Cool, I'll try that, would be a useful tool to know just in case.
[19:49] <caoliver> gordonDrogon has few hairs, and they're all gray.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> not quite all of them, but most of them :)
[19:49] <caoliver> S'ok. I did my coming-of-age on a PDP-11/34.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> however that sun 3/50 came in round about 1989.
[19:49] <akk> I used a PDP-11/34 too
[19:49] <akk> fond memories
[19:50] * caoliver misses the mc68k.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> ah, pdp 11/40 was my first unix system.
[19:50] <caoliver> My first there was a microVAX running Ultrix.
[19:51] * caoliver wishes he still had his BASF orange jacket floppies with rt-11 for nostalgia sake.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[19:52] <caoliver> Those were about the only good souvenirs from my highschool days.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> oldest floppies I have are for my Apple II's.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> real floppy disks here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[19:53] <akk> Naw, 8" hard-sectored floppies are the real ones :)
[19:53] * akk used those on an HP9845B
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> just older ...
[19:53] <caoliver> Sadly, DNS seems broken here. No idea why.
[19:54] <ikkuranus> I've used both floppies on a 2gs and tapes on a vic 20 but never 8" floppies
[19:54] <caoliver> You didn't miss much.
[19:54] <akk> I never used tapes, though I saw them used on a TRS-80
[19:55] <ikkuranus> I had 100MB external scsi on the 2gs as well
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I have some 5.25" hard sector floppies - but I stupidly (stupidly!) skipped the northstar horizon to go with them...
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> there is one on ebay, but he wants $stupid for it.
[19:55] <akk> I saved up for a TRS-80 but by the time I finally could afford one, I had access to better machines.
[19:55] <ikkuranus> that thing was god mode speedy for the time
[19:55] * caoliver owned some 9 track tape, but never mounted it personally.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> proper computers were just too expensive in the UK in the late 70's.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> it wasn't until the sinclair xz80/81/spectrum and the BBC micro in the early 80's that we could afford to own one.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> not counting the Mk14, but that was hardly usable.
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14-e.jpg 128 bytes of ram.
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[19:57] <caoliver> I think a TI-58C was the fist computing device I owned.
[19:58] <caoliver> first
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[19:58] <caoliver> Subsequently replaced by an HP41CV.
[19:58] * caoliver is an RPN geek.
[19:58] <akk> Yay, another HP41CV owner!
[19:59] * akk was way into the HP41, member of PPC and all that
[19:59] <caoliver> Not any longer. I do have a couple of hp42s and hp32s though.
[19:59] <akk> I still have several HP41CVs though I seldom use them.
[19:59] <caoliver> I have free42 on my linux boxes as the pop-up calc.
[19:59] <akk> I keep wondering if they'll stop making N batteries.
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> they didn't seem that popular where I was at the time. my good calculator was(is) Casio fx501p - not sure when I got that though - might have been 1980.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I also have the sharp pc1211 aka TRS-80 pocket computer. 1500 bytes of ram, ran basic ...
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> batteries are an issue the ones I need are the zinc air ones - 1.4v
[20:00] <akk> Hmm, minicom -b 115200 -o -D /dev/ttyUSB0 showed me the boot output and the login prompt, but it won't let me type to it.
[20:01] <caoliver> The closest thing I have to that are some modern Ti CAS calculators. I picked them up cheaply at a garage sale, but I hate them.
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> akk, the usual test is to remove the remote device & short tx & rx and see if it looks back, but I'm sure you know that :)
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> *loops
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[20:02] <akk> gordonDrogon: If I quit minicom and connect with screen, it works, so the hardware is hooked up right.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> might want to tell minicom to ignore hardware handshake them.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I think you need to do that in setup rather than from the command-line.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> I usually create profiles depending on what I'm talking to, usb serial port, etc.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with these is that they all try to do too much - or have hangovers from ye olde days to do with "dialling", etc.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you just want one program to do one thing well ...
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[20:07] <akk> Yes, flow control was it. I can type at it if I switch off hardware flow control.
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> hurrah! (from the been there, done that department)
[20:07] <akk> Now I need to figure out how to get it to remember that setting.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> you need to create a profile, or make it the default. I suspect I have it as the default in all my systems.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> minicom -s ...
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[20:09] <caoliver> Seems as if there's a lot of stuff that needs RTS/CTS switched off.
[20:10] <akk> "Save setup as..." will only write to files in /etc
[20:10] <akk> even if I give it a full path, /home/user/... it still tries to write to that inside /etc/something
[20:11] <caoliver> Bleah!
[20:11] <akk> bleah indeed
[20:13] <akk> I'm not having much luck finding any workarounds to get it to save settings without su
[20:13] <akk> or anyone saying what the config file should look like so I could just edit it myself
[20:16] <akk> I guess I could run it as root, let it write the file in /etc, then move that to my homedir. But ... ick.
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[20:21] <akk> Next question is, can minicom be configured to use something other than ^A as its command character?
[20:21] <akk> Since ^A is an important editing character (beginning of line).
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[20:28] <caoliver> C-A C-A works.
[20:29] <caoliver> I don't know if C-A is hard ocded or not.
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[20:36] <akk> Turns out it's not, it's pu escape-key
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[20:49] <akk> gordonDrogon, how do you actually send a file? I tried running rz -bZ on the pi, then in minicom, trying to send a file with zmodem protocol
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[20:50] <akk> but I got "Failure executing protocol." and now the connection is locked up, apparently the pi is still trying to receive.
[20:50] <akk> (I can ssh in and kill the rz process, since I'm trying this at home first)
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[20:54] <akk> Same thing if I try -bX and xmodem
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[21:05] <kraiskil> Is pigpio (http://abyz.me.uk/rpi/pigpio/index.html) the canonical way of accessing the GPIO headers in Linux? Starting pigpiod prevents I2S via ALSA from working (i.e. ALSA device is still visible, but no output on the pins). Am I just using pigpio incorrectly, or is there a better alternative?
[21:08] <akk> kraiskil: I've never used a daemon and never used pigpio. There are lots of libraries that can access GPIO.
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[21:09] <kraiskil> ok, thanks. Googling some more :)
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> akk, sorry - been away making banana fritters.
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> akk, try this: login, run cat > file, then in minicom, I think it's Ctrl-O then Y and just send the file.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, there is no 'canonocal' way - there are at least 3 separate C libraries, pick which one you like the best. There are also at least 2 Python libraries, again, pick your favourite.
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, what language are you programming in?
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[21:17] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, hmm, found only two, pigpio and wiringpi. I'm starting easy with C :)
[21:17] <kraiskil> what is the third one called?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, I'd recommend wiringPi, but then I wrote it ...
[21:17] <kraiskil> :D
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> the third one is called something else. I care little for it.
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, how good is your C ?
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[21:19] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, fair enough. I'm trying to set up a HW clock output, but there doesn't seem to be a direct API call in wiringpi. Is it possible to set one up with wiringpi?
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, there is only one clock pin you can use.
[21:20] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, not quite 2 decades yet
[21:20] <kraiskil> its just RPi that is two days old for me :)
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> pinMode (4, GPIO_CLOCK) ;
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> gpioClockSet (4, 2400000) ;
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> however the frequencies supported by wiringPi are not the full range.
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> but they were good enough for an application at the time.
[21:21] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, thanx - I can't keep up reading the API as fast as I'm getting answers here :)
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> pigpio can do clocks on arbitary pins I think. wiringPi likes to use the hardware when possibly.
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> there is also a softTone function in wiringPi - generates tones from 0 to 5KHz, however it's not without some jitter.
[21:22] <kraiskil> GPIO4 is just fine, and a HW clock is what I want
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> make sure you use wiringPiSetupGpio()
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> that doesn't do any pin number re-mapping.
[21:23] <kraiskil> right.
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[21:25] <IanTLopp> what's the most unique use of a raspi anyone's ever heard of?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> you can test it from the command-line with the gpio command: gpio -g mode 4 clock ; gpio -g clock 4 2400000
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> IanTLopp, I have one controlling an oven for baking, but I know of some controlling other ovens (for soldering)
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> there is also a nice project using Pi's to emulate a PDP-8.
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> https://youtu.be/qFt_9LsAgso
[21:27] <IanTLopp> I'm still contemplating trying to figure out if it's feasible, and how smooth it would be, to use two raspi's connected to each other over a network, or the internet, to control servos on either end. Basically, push a robot on one end, the robot on the other end reacts as if it is pushed, etc.
[21:27] <zleap> I guess sending a pi in to space is pretty unique, as well as gordons oven project
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> the box on-top (mine) is the PiDP8/i with a Pi zero inside.
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> there are at least 2 Pi's in space on the ISS.
[21:27] <IanTLopp> zleap, well yeah, the space thing... that's hard to replicate.
[21:28] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon, so, one more than I was aware of.
[21:28] <zleap> which reminds me are you coming to the tech jamat some point /
[21:28] <caoliver> Isn't rad hardening an issue?
[21:28] <zleap> ?
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> zleap, unlikely.
[21:28] <zleap> ah ok
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> the ISS Pi's are inside metal boxes.
[21:29] <shauno> they're also in the same part of the ISS that's meant for humans
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> and computers on the ISS are generally OK from what I know - they have some more or less normal laptops, etc.
[21:29] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon, so aside from making lights flash from side to side, what else could a PDP-8 do?
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> zleap, I'm out of the county this saturday anyway.
[21:29] <zleap> jam was yesterday
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> IanTLopp, in the 60's the PDP-8 was the "arudino" of the day.
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[21:30] <caoliver> I know the subject is likely taboo here, but has anyone played with a pocket beagle here?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> and into the 70's too. I know of at least one still in daily use today.
[21:30] <IanTLopp> stupid touchpad glitchyness
[21:30] * IanTLopp shuns caoliver for his use of competing tech.
[21:31] <caoliver> I'm interested 'cos of the two MCUs hanging off the side.
[21:31] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, thanks. Reading the source of wiringPi, it seems the HW clock uses 19.2MHz as input. Would changing this be a big effort (or possible at all)? I'm looking for a 24.576 MHz clock..
[21:32] <caoliver> That might be useful where I'd need an outboard Arduino or the like.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, there are other clocks you can pick. I think one is a 250MHz one.
[21:32] <IanTLopp> I'd love to make a real time drum and/or midi system using a raspi, but allow for custom timing. so while it's extremely responsive with whatever buttons/switches I provide it, I can add just a slight delay to mess with people, like a 75ms delay, but perfectly 75ms every time.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, but you'd have to change the source for that - and read the Broadcom ARM peripherals manual (download at the rpi website)
[21:33] <kraiskil> ok, thanks. If it is doable, then its worth trying ;)
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> kraiskil, I know what 24.576MHz can be used for, but I'm curious to know what you're using it for and why you don't just get an off-the-shelf xtal for it?
[21:35] <caoliver> 75ms is a huge time blip.
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[21:36] <caoliver> Displacement should probably be in terms of the music tempo.
[21:36] <IanTLopp> caoliver: yep, enough to mess with people... if it was like 10 or 15, it might not even be noticed except by people with amazing timing, but 75 is obvious
[21:37] <IanTLopp> caoliver: nah, it's to make me look good. So I have a drum synthesizer, I play on it and sound halfway decent. I hit a button - introduce the timing issue, then someone else hops on it and it's all delayed
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> there's all sorts of things going on in the Pi to thwart that 75Ms being accurate - it's not impossible, but very hard to achieve with no jitter.
[21:37] <caoliver> 1/100 of a second is pretty obvious unless you have really no rhythm.
[21:37] <IanTLopp> could even introduce a variable delay to really mess with people.
[21:37] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon, oh well
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[21:39] <IanTLopp> I gotta go for now
[21:39] <IanTLopp> ttyl
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> zleap, ah, I'm a week out. still jet-lagged and suffering from a bad cold )-:
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[21:42] <caoliver> My nose just stopped running.
[21:42] <caoliver> Maybe my upper lip will become less BRIGHT pink today.
[21:42] <Maai> #pitalk
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[21:44] <kraiskil> gordonDrogon, that's an option. But it won't teach me RPi ;)
[21:44] <kraiskil> also, BOM...
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> caoliver, sat next to someone hacking, coughing & sniffling on a long-haul flight home last week and both me & wifey got colds the next day )-:
[21:47] <caoliver> Ugh!
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[21:49] <Maai> i found the debian help pages
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Maai, there in-front of you - just type: man
[21:50] <Maai> Help> Reference is nicer
[21:50] <ebarch> gordonDrogon: at first I thought you meant they were coding/cracking some system before I realized you meant it in the medical sort of way :P
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> well it was an A380, so I hope she wasn't hacking into it!
[21:51] <Maai> SO! DID! EYE!
[21:51] <ebarch> heh. backseat flyer.
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[21:57] <Maai> is your bottom bright pink?
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[22:00] <Maai> homa homa
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> eh?
[22:00] <Maai> guy talk
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[22:02] <gordonDrogon> it seems no-one is listening.
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[22:04] <caoliver> Maai, actually no. But it's not usually involved when I blow my nose.
[22:05] <caoliver> My DNS is down, but IRC runs. Could some kind soul do a dig -x on 72.14.195.76 for me?
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[22:07] <ebarch> caoliver: https://pastebin.com/raw/Qv0QfDZ4
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[22:07] <caoliver> I HAVE NOT DNS. I CAN'T WWW.
[22:07] <ebarch> whoops, fudged that one
[22:07] <caoliver> Is that clear?
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[22:07] <ebarch> https://pastebin.com/raw/ZpTKgZCg
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[22:08] <caoliver> I have IRC and that's it for the moment.
[22:08] <caoliver> No I have NO access to pastebin.
[22:09] <caoliver> I want to know where in my upstream my TCP SYNs are getting blocked.
[22:09] <caoliver> Hence my question.
[22:09] <caoliver> I.e. I appear to be partially off line.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> can you not use google direct - 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4 ?
[22:10] <caoliver> ]NO!
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[22:10] <ebarch> hmm, I'm not seeing a DNS record for that IP when doing a reverse lookup
[22:10] <caoliver> Thanks.
[22:10] <caoliver> That's the last IP that traceroute's giving me.
[22:11] <caoliver> traceroute -T -n -f 8 8.8.8.8
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> have you tried turning it off and on again ...
[22:12] <caoliver> No.
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[22:21] <IanTLopp> is there any particular wireless device that would be recommended for an older raspi, assuming physical size of the device needs to be as small as possible?
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[22:21] <IanTLopp> total range is less than 10 feet, I just need to have something tiny
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[22:31] <Maai> i got lost in ctrl-alt-F1
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[22:34] <IanTLopp> Maai, always a fun place to find oneself
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[22:34] <CoJaBo> loo
[22:34] <CoJaBo> l
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[22:40] <Maai> i did not read the next line. Alt-F7 might of helped
[22:41] <Maai> my old mac keyboard's Alt key has odd behaviour
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[22:44] <CoJaBo> ewwww Macs
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[22:59] <Maai> the Mac key opens the "Start" menu yet alt-3 will not draw #
[23:00] <Maai> i have to copy paste from a text file T_T
[23:00] <akk> gordonDrogon: And that time I was away (not doing anything as interesting as banana fritters). But cat > and ctrl-A Y does work, at least for text files.
[23:01] <akk> Kinda messes up terminal scrollback but certainly better than nothing.
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[23:06] <Maai> ctrl-A Y?
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[23:09] <akk> Maai: That was in reference to a discussion earlier about how to send files with minicom over a serial cable.
[23:09] <akk> ctrl-A is minicom's default command character (though I remapped it to ctrl-`)
[23:10] <Maai> thank youuuu
[23:11] <akk> minicom is supposed to be able to send files with x/y/zmodem protocol (with lrzsz handling on the pi end) but it looks like minicom and lrzsz don't play well together.
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[23:36] <fadavi> hey there. i've a RPi2 and an old unusable Samsung Galaxy S1 (i9000); can i use some parts of the i9000 in RPi2? specially LCD.
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[23:51] <AntiComposite> fadavi, Not easily and not without extra hardware, usually
[23:52] <fadavi> AntiComposite: even for just LCD? i dont need other parts :D
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