#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-16

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[1:44] <Emil> Anyone have ideas why my cdc serial port device is not created a file in /dev/ ?
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[1:54] <Emil> Seriously annoying
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[3:24] <redcar> i installed raspbian finally, i use jessi too tired to install it
[3:25] <redcar> it works well but i never get help from this channel
[3:25] <redcar> :(
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[4:10] <akar> hi ... did anyone happen to have died EDUP wifi usb adapter?
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[4:11] <akar> with rtl 8818cu chipset..
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[4:38] <on3pk> Good evening. I have a Pi-Fan as available on Adafruit. Has anyone done a tear down? It seems like it already has resistors and diodes built in. Is that actually the case?
[4:41] <ali1234> its a 5V fan
[4:42] <ali1234> there's nothing unusual inside it
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[4:48] <on3pk> oh, then I guess I'm wondering why when I stick a resistor in front of it, current draw fals in half...
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[4:50] <phirephly> on3pk, Because the resistance of the fan is about the same as your resistor?
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[5:04] <on3pk> ah, good point. Question then is, is it worth putting a resistor on the motor circuit if it has inherent resistance?
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[5:07] <ali1234> what for?
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[5:11] <on3pk> I dunno. Keep current draw below a certain amount I guess
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[5:12] <ali1234> if you limit the motor current you risk stalling
[5:13] <bobstro> are you trying to create multiple speed settings for the fan?
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[5:28] <on3pk> bobstro, no. Just on/off.
[5:28] <on3pk> And I would be hoping to limit it to it's stall current (which seems to be 0.2A)
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[5:29] <on3pk> But maybe I just shouldn't worry about that...
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[9:23] <r0n0x> hey, does the Pi zero WH have any actual hardware improvements? or do they literally just charge $5 more to solder header pins
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[9:26] <shauno> it's just the addition of the header
[9:26] <r0n0x> utter bullshit
[9:26] <r0n0x> its being advertised on facebook as a "major upgrade"
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> it's factory fitted.
[9:27] <r0n0x> to quote opensource.com "The Pi Zero just got a big upgrade"
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> welcome to the advertising and publishing world of exageration and lies ..
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> I have in the past charged people to solder headers on though. $5 is cheap.
[9:28] <r0n0x> 2 minutes and 2 cents in parts is all it takes
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> plus the ability to solder - which is lacking in a great number of people.
[9:29] <shauno> then stick to the regular W. no-one's twisting your arm?
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[9:29] <gordonDrogon> one reason the Pimoroni crew got the "hammer head" header made.
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[9:31] <r0n0x> fortunately though unlike when the zero came out, or the zero W, there wont be any shortage
[9:31] <r0n0x> distributors can just charge extra and solder it themselves
[9:31] <shauno> I mean, I'm in the same position. I'd rather they made headers optional on the pi3 instead. but the #1 feedback on the AIY vision kit was that people were expecting plug'n'play, and didn't realise they had to tack a header on the W, so I can see why they've done it
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> I don't think they will.
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> (solder it themselves).
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> that takes time and effort.
[9:32] <r0n0x> plus its literally double price for the soldered as unsoldered
[9:32] <r0n0x> i did it in 2 minutes at my desk with my shitty little USB soldering iron
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> that's because it takes someone time to unload from the flow soldered and into the wave solderer.
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> r0n0x, try to keep it family friendly please.
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[9:33] <gordonDrogon> and stop bleating; this is simple economics. Deal with it.
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> or solder the header yourself.
[9:33] <shauno> yes, it's doubled from £9.60 to £13.25. and you were just complaining about opensource.com's hyperbole
[9:34] <r0n0x> oh no, its perfectly reasonable, its moreso the advertising, theres never anything great available with raspberry pi, just python relay switches and etc
[9:34] <r0n0x> and the actually useful stuff, computer-esq projects remain out of immediate sight
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[9:34] <r0n0x> things only the raspberry pi can reasonably accomplish
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[9:35] <r0n0x> its funny and dissapointing
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> the great things with the Pi is the imagination it opens.
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[9:43] <r0n0x> its literally a computer more powerful than most laptops available 8 years ago, but some people use it as a time delay chip or variable oscillator (something doable in a 555)
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> and?
[9:45] <r0n0x> its not that people arent doing amazing things its that 99% of the things people are sharing and highlighting could be done with a $1 arduino, and 50% just using passive components
[9:45] <shauno> I've only had one coffee. I'm really not sure I'm ready to be ranted at because someone's not happy with what someone else put on facebook.
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[9:45] <r0n0x> its not "someone" its everyone, anyway, im not ranting at you
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> shauno, +1
[9:46] <r0n0x> I should complain about this on my blog for hepas of coin
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> please do so.
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[9:55] <Gathis> 555 .. the classic bistable multivibrator uses just 2 transistors, resistors and capacitors
[9:56] <Gathis> and not some sex toy ;p
[9:57] <mk-fg> If it can't run node.js, I'm not interested
[9:57] <Gathis> hm, got to agree with r0n0x .. too much trival crap being done, which while sometimes interesting and useful, is a total waste of the resources on a RPi
[9:59] <shauno> I'm not sure the pi would have lasted this long withough all those menial, wasted Pi paying for it
[9:59] <Gathis> many of the 'examples' can be done with some basic components costing under 50 cents, or a few $ for relays
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[10:00] <Gathis> i'd like to see more network/crypto and control stuff, by 'stuff' i mean useful technical examples which teach how to apply tech.
[10:01] <Gathis> yeh shauno, it engages on a primary school level, and just about still cheap enough to 'waste' on kids ;)
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[10:17] <r0n0x> every time i search for stuff i actually need my pi for, my results are flooded with the most trivial of trivial things, and things i can do better on an arduino, having way too many raspberry pi stuff, like midi related projects
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[10:26] <BurtyB> *yawn*
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> well that was breakfast. scrambled eggs on toast today. makes a change from dosa masala, but I think I'd prefer the latter.
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> I did make the bread though.
[10:38] <BurtyB> :)
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> ok. todays project. hook a LiPo thingy up to my PiDP8 unit.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> and build a 2nd one.
[10:40] <Aph3x-WL> r0n0x: are you sponsored by arduino?
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> just did an overnight test - the 2000mAh battery I'm using ran a Pi 0W for 8 hours idling.
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I suspect with the 80+ LEDs inthe PiDP8 it'll be somewhat less, however...
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[10:42] <r0n0x> no
[10:43] <r0n0x> and by arduino i just mean anything which can be programmed in the arduino IDE
[10:43] <r0n0x> not the, i asume like 10 models of boards which are made by the arduino foundation or whatever they call themselves
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> it's great to have choice. I use the sparkfun red boards right now.
[10:46] <Aph3x-WL> oh, i was just curious because all i've seen you do so far is complain about the pi and mention how arduino can do everything better
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> Lifes full of people who will tell others what to do (and what not to do) and express their preferances on others. It's great to have choice and if one day someone wants to use a Pi as a simple timer then that's great. It's learning for them and a good sense of achievement. Always remember: Premature optimisation is the root of all evil. (Knuth)
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[10:56] <jacekowski> gordonDrogon: i don't agree with the last part
[10:56] <jacekowski> gordonDrogon: sort of
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[10:56] <jacekowski> gordonDrogon: as in, people seem to treat it as an excuse to create shit bloat that barely works
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> many people don't, but go blame Donald Knuth, not me.
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[10:57] <BurtyB> sounds more like a crap reason not to eat celery to me
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> anytihng that stops you eating celery is good in my books.
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[11:17] <shauno> fun thing is, what platform I choose for things like this is rarely dictated by which is most suitable, which is least bloated, etc
[11:17] <shauno> it's almost always what's on my desk. if that realy won't cut it, plan B is what's in my drawers.
[11:18] <shauno> surely sending people off to buy more junk because you don't like their first choice, is truely wasteful
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[11:28] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, when you dput your packages, is there anything you do to ensure they make it into previous versions of Raspbian?
[11:28] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also hi, and happy new year ;)
[11:29] * BurtyB is in shock is that really a Gadgetoid_Pim ? ;)
[11:29] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yes, yes BurtyB it is, although you have only my word for it
[11:29] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I overloaded myself with so many messenger/support channels that I slipped away from IRC, and even retired my bouncer :(
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[11:29] <Gadgetoid_Pim> (actually I had to unplug my bouncer Pi so I could plug a FingBox in to test, but... same difference)
[11:30] <BurtyB> awe :(
[11:30] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And also hi, and happy new year :D
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[11:30] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I mostly Discord now, on a mixture of channels
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[11:31] <BurtyB> eww dirty
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Gotta be down with the millenials
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[11:33] <BurtyB> well I guess that's the Pi way, ignoring us old[er] folks *sniffle* .. oh and hi/happy ny ;)
[11:33] <TotallyNotKim> is it 2k19 already
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, what's 'dput' ?
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Haha, darnit :D
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Pim> It's the thingy what I push packages up to the incoming folder on build-master because I can't be bothered to do it manually :D
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> it's not yet Burns Night, so wishing people a happy new year for this year ('18') is legit ... At least in my home country...
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, I've no idea. I've not generated a new wiringPi for some time - was planning to do so this/last week, but have been tired, jet-lagged and full of cold lurgy.
[11:36] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Pffft, my basis for wishing people a happy new year is if I haven't talked to them before :D
[11:36] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Uh I mean haven't talked to them since the year transition
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Or something!
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, jet-lagged, eh?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> technically not now as it's 6 days since we landed, however...
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[11:38] <gordonDrogon> last week was basically written off.
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[11:42] <Siorai> Success! I've managed to configure my pi3 to be a wireless AP, and serve up flask pages to those that connect to it
[11:43] <TotallyNotKim> gj!
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[11:44] <TotallyNotKim> I had to compile hostapd and the fw module myself on the 2B, because the adapter I had did absolutely nothing right using the stock config
[11:45] <TotallyNotKim> I suppose this is muich easier with the wlan module on the 3? :D
[11:47] <Siorai> you would -think-
[11:47] <Siorai> there's additional steps you have to take if you follow the official wireless ap guide, heh
[11:48] <TotallyNotKim> haha
[11:48] <Siorai> Due to differences in the way dhcpcd handles interactions with /etc/network/interfaces
[11:48] <TotallyNotKim> as always
[11:49] <Siorai> I did have to build postgresql 10 from source though to work on it.
[11:51] <Siorai> it's for a non-profit project I'm working on.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> the world hates me this week. Ordered some little bits from Maplin - Hermes lost them. Ordered the same from Farnell, UPS lost them. Shame Pimoroni doesn't carry them. Ah well.
[11:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, what the heck!? Lost them!?
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, Hermes. Go figure. Actually, that's the 2nd time in the past month or 2 they've lost a package for me.
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim> They, literally, have one job!
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> and they do it badly.
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I'm pretty sure they were just set up to bring all the convinience of the greek postal system to the UK
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> so now I know Maplin use Hermes, I won't buy from Maplin ever again.
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[12:00] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yeah that's scraping the bottom of the barrel
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[12:01] <Gathis> yep, Hermes suck, and that same company has renamed itself several times because people soon learn how much they suck
[12:02] * BurtyB used to use hermes to send stuff out and that was bad too (missed pickups for days and drop off points being "closed") :(
[12:02] <benoliver999> Hermes are the absolute worst, for business, for drivers & for customers.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> the local bit of Hermes is good here - the woman who does it works hard - it just seems to be the back-haul, as it were.
[12:03] <Gathis> (sh)CityLink were bad too, went out of biz i see on wiki
[12:03] <benoliver999> That's the worst part. Most courier companies are made of people who take their job very seriously, especially behind the scenes. The shitty system and cost cutting fucks them all over
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> I need to get power into a box. seems easy. in the old days I'd just buy 3.5mm line plugs and panel sockets.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> benoliver999, try to keep it family friendly please.
[12:05] <benoliver999> Ooh sorry.
[12:05] <Gathis> earlier re arduino 'better'. if some arduino or cheap chinese clone can do a job the same as a RPi then it perhaps is 'better' on cost, but learning how to do the same thing ALSO with a RPi is good too. I want to drive some WS2812 LEDs, and probably an arduino nano is better for that.. but i'd like to control the nano from an RPi
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> The best way to drive WS2812 LEDs is to buy APA102s instead ;D
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> ^^^
[12:06] <Gathis> ah dotstar leds, yes i know quicker, but last time i looked more costly
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> price will come down this year though.
[12:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I like that I can drive an APA102 through an IO buffer while also reading buttons, they're so much less hassle
[12:06] <Gathis> i don't need speed for most of what i'd like to mess with
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> (my prediction for 2018 :)
[12:07] <Gathis> ok gordonDrogon .. i hope so :)
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Most of my problem with the WS2812s is the horrible protocol and specific timing requirements
[12:08] <Gathis> yeh, but i like that kind of 'fun' and i've got an ancient 'telequipment' oscilloscope which still works
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> the timing thing isn't that strict if you understand what the chips actually need and how they work, and there are some good published articles on it, however I'e just not had to time or energy to finish off my Pi stuff for them.
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Specially when you play a bit fast and loose with it, bake your finished code into firmware, and then find a batch of WS2812s it wont work with :D
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Although to be fair we had the same issue with APA102s having slight variations on the protocol *facepalm*
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> the arduino vs. Pi thing - there isn't that much in it, price wise now - especially if you compare like for like (ie. add wi-fi!) but arduino - ready to go in 1ms and no issues pulling the plug ...
[12:10] <Gathis> i'm not sure of the APA102s signalling, I2C sort of thing?
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> it's bit-serial, but the timing isn't critical.
[12:10] <Gathis> i looked in detail at ws2812, simple serial load
[12:10] * BurtyB gets more problems with them when I don't bake them first :(
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> True, that, BurtyB
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_Pim> We learned that the hard way
[12:11] <Gathis> bake as in dry? or .. just joking ? :)
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yeah, as in dry them out before soldering
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[12:12] <BurtyB> Gathis, yeah - they like to go pop and go all frosty (and no longer work)
[12:12] <Gathis> i recall that was needed for plccs years ago
[12:12] <Gathis> ok, good to know
[12:13] <BurtyB> I imagine the apa102 is going to be the same though but I don't have loads of those on the stock pile heh
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[12:14] <Gathis> hm, not socketed plccs ;p, the SMT chips. i have an ancient MACH programmable AMD gate array chip here which i want to mess with, will need baking before i try soldering it
[12:14] <Gathis> never get the time
[12:17] <BurtyB> :/ more time in the day would be good
[12:17] <Siorai> more time in the night would be better.
[12:17] <Gathis> lol
[12:17] <Gathis> i need to learn to sleep at night
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[12:49] <Gathis> does anyone know of any cheap wireless temperature sensors? something similar to the remote sensors supplied with oregon scientific weather stations, but chaper and with documented signalling info ?
[12:49] <Gathis> *cheaper
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[12:54] <Gathis> need to go afk, but thnx in advance for any (helpful) suggestions :) bbl
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[13:11] <BurtyB> Gathis, Pi Zero W + SD + DS18B20 + resistor (I'll start running now)
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[13:43] <akinode> hello, can anoyone tell me if its possible to connect the following sensor directly to a raspberry pi without requiring a chip inbetween that applies voltage and sends out a signal lseperately?
[13:43] <akinode> http://www.icstation.com/500g-10kg-thin-film-pressure-sensor-force-sensor-d10mmxl49mm-arduino-p-11687.html
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> akinode, ideally you need an ADC, however ...
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> if you know how to make a 1-bit sigma-delta ADC and can calculate the RC values required and write a bit of (preferably) C code to run it, then you can do it witlout the ADC.
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> or you could connect the Arduino to the Pi via (usb) serial and use the Arduino as a posh ADC :)
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[13:55] <fykyy> Hi
[13:56] <Siorai> ahoy
[13:56] <fykyy> I have issue with booting after rip update can someone please help me ?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> we can only help if you tell us what's wrong.
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> howeve when you say "rip update" - what exactly did you type?
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[14:02] <fykyy> rpm-update a tool which should update the firmware easily
[14:02] <fykyy> the fact is that now my rip boots but usb ports and ethernet are not working
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> rpm? you're not running Raspbian then?
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> or did you really mean rpi-update ?
[14:03] <fykyy> during the boot sequence : VC_vchi_sm_init failed to open VCHI service (-1)
[14:03] <fykyy> FAILED to start Load Kernel Modules
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> ok, but rpi or rpm ?
[14:03] <fykyy> rpi
[14:03] <fykyy> sry
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> rpi-update is used as a development tool to help the kernel developers test new/bleeding edge kernels.
[14:04] <fykyy> I trier to write the start.elf from the GitHub of rpm update but same result
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> it's not really intended for daily use.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> 99.999999% of people do not need to use it.
[14:04] <fykyy> yep I know it now
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> so re-flash the SD card with the latest Raspbian, then run the usual: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> and be happy.
[14:05] <fykyy> I think I have to do a fresh install on my sd card but i will lose all my configurations
[14:05] <fykyy> yep
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> no backup?
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> what you can do... on another PC, get the raspbian image and extract /boot/* and /lib/modules/* and copy them to the SD card
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> that might get it to boot.
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[14:08] <fykyy> I'll try thanks you
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> you'll need a Linux PC to get the ext4 partition with /lib/modules though.
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[14:44] <Silveress> just got my pi about an hour ago
[14:44] <Silveress> danm its so fricken cute
[14:45] <Silveress> set it up so I can use it headless while setting it up and it just works
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[14:45] <Silveress> pretty used to debian so its a breeze
[14:46] <zleap> :)
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[14:51] <Silveress> Got it for work so unfortunately I don't get to keep it
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[14:52] <ShorTie> have them buy there own
[14:52] <ShorTie> :/~
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[15:04] <Silveress> Well technically it's mine until I invoice them
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[15:08] <lopta> Woohoo! I brought my 1B to the office and it seems to work with my monitor today.
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[15:17] <lopta> Umm... I wonder where I put my notes on how to configure WiFi
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[16:01] <redrabbit> look at the docs
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[16:08] <lopta> redrabbit: The notes helped me make sense of the docs. ;-)
[16:09] <lopta> NetBSD docs on WiFi are ...suboptimal.
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[16:40] <Silveress> that was far easier than planned to setup pihole and pivpn
[16:41] <lopta> brb, fancy coffee.
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[17:00] <Gathis> thnx BurtyB :) used Maxim stuff before, they've even been kind enough to send me free samples in past years :) i want a DS18B20 or something similar plus RF transmitter i can power on a couple AA batteries for a few months, or with a solar panel
[17:01] <Gathis> and then about 10 of them.. which is why i want something cheap
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[17:01] <Gathis> DS.. guessing that was one of maxims dallas semiconductor acquisitions
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[17:08] <Gathis> hm, DS18B20 isn't very low power, 3V min, and 1mA typical draw
[17:09] <mfa298> if you're pairing it with a Pi then the 1mA probably isn't an issue :p
[17:09] <Gathis> ah, has standby @ .75 to 1 uA
[17:09] <Gathis> nope mfa298, not directly, but yes via a radio link
[17:11] <Gathis> i need to do plenty research yet it seems, i was just being lazy and hoping someone had some ideas or already worked out examples :)
[17:11] <Gathis> it'll be the RF part which will really cost
[17:12] <Habbie> so what problem are you solving exactly, gathis?
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[17:14] <Gathis> i want several remote temperature sensors to monitor remote temperatures around the house, workshop and garden all sending data via low power/bandwidth RF to a RPi to log the readings
[17:15] <Habbie> instead of bothering with ds18b20 or similar you could consider buying normal weather station transmitters
[17:15] <Gathis> oregon scientific and other weather stations have such remote temp sensors typically running on 2 AA batteries for months
[17:15] <Habbie> exactly
[17:15] <mfa298> you can do some fairly low power depening on how often you need the information
[17:15] <Gathis> yeh, they're expensive, and tough to use, not well documented, and limited number of channels
[17:16] <Habbie> are channels a problem?
[17:16] <akk> How hard is it to receive from those oregon scientific sensors if you want to do your own processing?
[17:16] <Habbie> they're not transmitting all the time
[17:16] <Gathis> i want at least 6
[17:16] <mfa298> I know someone made a sensor node for https://ukhas.net/ that ran for several months on a AA battery (or two) - I think that was based on an AVR (with lots of sleep settings)
[17:16] <Habbie> akk, https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433 does it with no trouble
[17:16] <Gathis> akk good question. i've tried looking for info, it's not easy to find
[17:16] <Habbie> akk, with my EUR 25 SDR USB stick but i hear a 5 EUR one will do as well
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[17:17] <Gathis> Habbie, yes, they transmit i think once per minute, but the ones i've seen in the past only had 3 channel selections
[17:18] <Habbie> Gathis, hmm perhaps they were not 433mhz then
[17:18] <akk> Neat, Habbie, I might try that myself.
[17:18] <Habbie> Gathis, in 433 they just include some device ID i think
[17:18] <Habbie> now i wonder how cheap one can buy 433mhz transmitters
[17:18] <Gathis> yes they were 433mhz, it's just their limited consumer design
[17:18] <Habbie> well, 433mhz does not have channels
[17:18] <Habbie> so maybe they were IDs
[17:19] <Habbie> but that would still be problematic
[17:19] <mfa298> depends on the quality of 433/434MHz device you want, there's some really cheap modules which are around $1 for a rx/tx pair
[17:19] <Habbie> i had some fun with rx2/tx2 chips this week
[17:19] <Habbie> on 27mhz
[17:19] <Gathis> would be then i expect, i don't know/
[17:19] <mfa298> or go up market a bit and get something like the RFM69 for a few more $$ (maybe $4 - been a while since i got any)
[17:20] <Gathis> i have an old knackered oregon transmitter somewhere around
[17:20] <Gathis> ok mfa298, will look thnx
[17:20] <mfa298> a lot of stuff is just OOK based around 433.92, although there's a bunch of other ISM frequencies around there you can use in EU
[17:21] <Habbie> rfm69 looks like fun
[17:21] <Gathis> UK here
[17:21] <mfa298> Gathis: if you want to DIY it all have a look through the https://ukhas.net/ stuff
[17:22] * mfa298 should probably fix some of what's broken on that site - although that means remembering perl again ...
[17:22] <Gathis> thnx mfa298, diy isn't a problem, made my own SMT pcb's before, just never more than double-sided stuff
[17:22] * Habbie orders rfm69
[17:23] <Gathis> and just 1 sided for smt is easier ;p
[17:23] <Habbie> anything else i should order, for fun?
[17:23] <Gathis> perl .. shh. scary
[17:24] <mfa298> I used to write a bunch of it, but do more ruby now (I've never got on with Python)
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[17:24] <tristero> I've built a (free hardware) Pi Hat with an RFM69 (sub-GHz) and a CC2500 (2.4GHz) on it: http://github.com/ecc1/walrus-board Looking for a partner to manufacture/distribute; let me know of any useful pointers.
[17:24] <mfa298> still, it could be PHP (I've not touched that in a long time thankfully)
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[17:25] <Gathis> i tried looking at pisg a perl irc stats script .. even used it, but gave up on really trying to understand it
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[17:26] <Gathis> php is easier to understand for me.. lol
[17:26] <pwillard> I think python must be more likeable to folks not ruined by BASH, C and Perl.
[17:26] <Gathis> i've mostly done C
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[17:28] <mfa298> my main issue with php is it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot without realising you were holding the shotgun. at least C and perl they hand you the shotgun and tell you it's dangerous, if you then shoot yourself it's your own silly fault
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[17:29] <Gathis> yeh, i find php (and C) easy, but i certainly don't consider either safe or even easy to use safely.
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[17:30] <Gathis> it pays to properly understand the detail
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[18:01] <Goldi22> hi anyone on
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[18:06] <Goldi22> can someone explain if I have RPi and with OpenELEC installed to sd card, when I select turn off inopenelec, it turns off the system, and tv shows no signal, But the red light on RPi is still on. So the only way to turn it off is a button on electric wire?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> tristero, nice. limited application maybe? I have a board with just the rfm69 on it for some projects I'm working on.
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[18:09] <mfa298> Goldi22: For Pi2/Pi3 that's normal, you should see the green led blink quickly 10 times when it's shutdown.
[18:10] <mfa298> the red led is just showing there's power applied to the board (which it still is, even with the CPU halted as happend when you shut it down)
[18:11] <Goldi22> mfa298 that doesnt happen
[18:12] <Goldi22> I mean it does - the red light. So it means its completely turned off?
[18:13] <Goldi22> there is no way that some hacker could turn it on from this state?
[18:13] <mfa298> if you see the green led blink quickly like that (assumning your looking for it) then it's shutdown. There's still power to the board but everything is stopped at that point
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[18:14] <Goldi22> do you know can I dual boot on it?
[18:15] <Goldi22> What else can I install along with openelec?
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[18:16] <mfa298> I can't help there, If I need a Pi doing something else I just get another Pi (usually out the draw)
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[18:17] <akk> My pi3 doesn't do that series of fast blinks just before shutdown like my pi0 does.
[18:18] <akk> And when it's up and running, the red light looks just the same as the red light when it's shut down. So you really can't tell much from the lights.
[18:18] <Goldi22> so when its with red light on, can someone somehow turn it on remotely?
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[18:19] <mfa298> the red led on the Pi2/Pi3 just shows you have a good power supply (i.e. if it blinks off you dont have a good supply) it doesn't tell you anything else
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[18:20] <Goldi22> so to turn it on now, I have to go to it, and press the power button 2 times?
[18:21] <mfa298> power button ?
[18:21] <Goldi22> on the power wire
[18:21] <Goldi22> there is a small button, if I press it, the rpi turns off that red light
[18:21] <Goldi22> I guess its some power button, you dony have it?
[18:21] <mfa298> probably, there's no power buton on any of my pis so I don't know what your setup is
[18:22] <Goldi22> so you cant turn off your red light at all?
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[18:22] <Goldi22> unless to plug out?
[18:22] <mfa298> if I unplug the pi - which happens rarely
[18:22] <Goldi22> can you turn it on from red light state to normal state with keyboard?
[18:23] <Goldi22> what do I press
[18:23] <mfa298> I think you can do something with a gpio pin to reset it - it's not something I need
[18:26] <Goldi22> thanks for your help, I think I will have more questions in the future because I just bought rpi3 yesterday, and this is so cool!
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[18:29] <akk> I've seen references to one of the GPIO pins making it power on and boot, but it certainly isn't discussed much on the web, I'm not finding anything.
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[18:30] <Goldi22> I wish there was some method to turn it on remotely
[18:35] <akk> Most people seem to use a separate device like an arduino to do that, but I think there is a GPIO pin that can be made to do it.
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[18:37] <Goldi22> it seems to complex for me
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[18:38] <mfa298> just leave the Pi on all the time. An idling (on but not doing much) Pi3 is probably no more wasteful of power than a PC that's "off" but still plugged into the mains
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[18:40] <akk> Or a TV, or any appliance.
[18:40] <Goldi22> im a bit scared because of security, i have only OpenElec on it which is basically Kodi media center, and I use some unofficial addons which I know can be hacked
[18:40] <akk> Actually a modern TV probably uses a lot more power, they're probably checking in with the mothership and reporting your viewing habits and such when you think they're "off".
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[18:45] <BurtyB> I think ours secretly turns on to download the tv guide too
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[18:50] <doublehp> I have various SPI LCDs; are there generic tools to probe SPI bus ? scripts that would try most known configurations to determine what is plugged in ?
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[19:07] <mehale> can anyone point me to a reliable power supply that could be found on ebay?
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[19:08] <doublehp> mehale: no
[19:08] <CoJaBo> lolebay
[19:09] <mehale> anywhere else in europe?
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[19:09] <doublehp> mehale: Kubii
[19:09] <akk> Most ebay power supplies probably work fine if they claim 2A. But whether you can "rely" on that is another matter.
[19:10] <CoJaBo> akk: I have 2 ebay power supplies, and they are both horrificly bad
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, you can't reliable probe an SPI system - you need to know in-advance what's plugged in.
[19:10] <doublehp> most items on Ebay and Amazon really are designed for 50% of the description
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[19:11] <zleap> you can get a good PSU from people like pimoroni / modmypi for about £6
[19:11] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: I have at lest 4 different LCDs, and they are sold without any spec; all I can tell is that they are different.
[19:11] <CoJaBo> Open-circuit voltage is 21v, and under 300ma load it drops to 4v lol
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> from what I now understand it's the pulsey current needs of SD card writing that's a big issue for PSUs.
[19:11] <mehale> I have a couple of ebay power supply who wont handle an ESP8266 with 4x ds18b2 + 2x DHT22!!
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> a good steady current or one that varys slowly is good for charging, not so good for Pi's.
[19:11] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: seller description only talk about XPT2046; but nothing about reset and DC pins, or LCD chipset
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, see if there is a GPIO expander chip on the display. (16x2 LCD types?)
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, ah, first google hit: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=143581
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[20:18] <doublehp> I have 240x320 and 320x480; I don't have rpi, XPT2046 only relates to touch controller; I don't need touch, only LCD; my 4 different screens all have different pinout; it's not given in the description of item, and impossible to guess without dismounting, and unsoldering things. and the thread you mentions is completely deprecated by mid 2017 kernel updates, and recent LCD chipsets (like Kedei v5 and v6)
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[20:26] <ccat> doublehp: are they working screens?
[20:26] <doublehp> yes
[20:26] <doublehp> brand new
[20:26] <ccat> are they connected to anything?
[20:26] <doublehp> and known to work on other devices
[20:26] <doublehp> I can disconnect them completely
[20:26] <doublehp> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/2-8-Inch-240x320-Serial-Port-SPI-TFT-Screen-LCD-with-Touch-Screen-Panel-PCB-Board/32617643223.html?spm=2114.search0104.8.9.9cAadU for example
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[20:27] <doublehp> I have tried 3 different tutorials, but they were written before june 2017, so they are using kernel 3; but I have Linux 4
[20:28] <doublehp> and on orange pi, this change of kernel HEAVILY affects SPI default settings
[20:28] <doublehp> I have also noticed changes about SPI between RPI2 and RPI3
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[20:29] <ccat> doublehp: "my 4 different screens all have different pinout; it's not given in the description of item" ??
[20:29] <doublehp> Jessie with Kedei v5 works fine on rPi3, but not on rPi2 ...
[20:32] <doublehp> Kedei v1 and v5 use different pinout; and they are not provided by manufacturer. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=124961 have done a huge reverse engineering, but this does not apply for OrangePi hosts.
[20:32] <akk> I wonder if small touchscreens are going to stop changing interfaces and get more reliable in a few years.
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[20:33] <doublehp> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/253340658969 is not exactly the same as the upper ALI link; and https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06X191RX7/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 does not seem to be identical to any Kedei I already have (v1 3 5 or 6 )
[20:34] <doublehp> akk: even rpi2 has a pinout different from rpi3 ... so, imagine how Orange Pi can differ from rPis !!!
[20:34] <Habbie> where does the pi2 pinout differ from the pi3?
[20:34] <akk> I had no luck with a Kedei on a standard pi3. Wasn't willing to do weeks of reverse engineering, though.
[20:35] <doublehp> akk: and I am happy with it: opi0 have FOUR (4) serial ports, and two SPI; this may allow me to both use an LCD, and use 1W
[20:36] <doublehp> akk: Kedei always worked for me with the manufacturer image. But those images don't work on rpi0 and opis
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[20:36] <akk> They have so many different versions. The version that got shipped to me I suspect was incompatible with the versions expected by the various images I tried.
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[20:37] <akk> And it's hard to see why they'd have to use pins that differ between pi versions when they only need power, ground, and a few pins for touch.
[20:38] <doublehp> akk: http://kedei.net/raspberry/raspberry.html they have removed old images for previous hardware versions; I can upload them somewhere if you have pre6 hardware
[20:39] <ccat> soory - br*b
[20:39] <akk> That was probably the problem -- amazon shipped me an old version, apparently. But after a week of trying to get it working I sent it back.
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[20:41] <doublehp> and you lost 1�
[20:42] <doublehp> and hours of your time
[20:42] <akk> yep
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[20:42] <akk> so I haven't ordered another one, I'm hoping in a year or two things will settle down and it'll be possible to order one that's more likely to work.
[20:43] <akk> I still want a mini display but I don't care enough to put in the weeks of driver hacking time that it would require.
[20:43] <doublehp> akk: things won't settle
[20:44] <doublehp> http://kedei.net/raspberry/raspberry.html is certified for v6 screens; Amazon and Ebay are not specific about hardware version; Ali usually is much more precise.
[20:45] <doublehp> The problem is that drivers like https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki do not explicitely state for which version they are compatible
[20:45] <IanTLopp> I need to find an 8" 1280x960 screen with a five wire reflextive touchscreen digitizer.
[20:45] <IanTLopp> I'm having no luck :(
[20:45] <akk> With most hardware, things settle down and get easier. Like 2-line LCD displays and 1- or 2-digit LED displays, those used to be hard to get working
[20:45] <IanTLopp> I found a 1024x768, but not 1280x960
[20:45] <akk> and now you can buy them with I2C backpacks anywhere.
[20:45] <doublehp> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/253340658969 & https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/2-8-Inch-240x320-Serial-Port-SPI-TFT-Screen-LCD-with-Touch-Screen-Panel-PCB-Board/32617643223.html?spm=2114.search0104.8.9.9cAadU are different enough to make me NOT assume anything about their compatibility
[20:46] <IanTLopp> doublehp, one's a 2.8" screen, the other's a 2.4
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[20:47] <doublehp> akk: all "rpi certified had items" can work out of the box with the manufacturer provided image. ... with rpi3. But Orange pi 0 are much cheaper; and since I am going to massively use them ...
[20:48] <akk> "rpi certified had items" ?
[20:48] <doublehp> IanTLopp: both are ILI9341 / XPT2046 - 240x320 ... and share similar pinout .... and very similar PCB ... so, I would not be surprised they are compatible
[20:49] <IanTLopp> oh, gotcha
[20:49] <doublehp> akk: like https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06X191RX7/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 with raspberry in the title
[20:49] <IanTLopp> I'm just happy I found the screen I did...
[20:49] <IanTLopp> I am afraid, however, now that akk is having problems with what should otherwise be a basic board, that I'm going to have major difficulties with mine.
[20:50] <IanTLopp> it supports spi and rgb - I figured basic pinout and settings in raspbian would do the trick, but I'll figure it out eventually I suppose
[20:50] <doublehp> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06X191RX7/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 was provided with a DVDrom including all required images, and windows tools
[20:50] <doublehp> but of course, those images are not designed for my orange pis
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm too boring these days. I just buy supported screens, plug them in and go ..
[20:51] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon, yeah, well no supported screens exist in the setup I need.
[20:52] <IanTLopp> adafruit is close, but the resolution is crap
[20:52] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: https://kaspars.net/blog/linux/spi-display-orange-pi-zero he does not give the link to the exact item he bought; https://forum.armbian.com/topic/4656-orangepi-zero-mainline-kernel-spi-lcd-touchscreen/ he does not even give which system image he is using, and kernel version is absolutely critical
[20:52] <mfa298> I work on the principle that if the documentation is poor on the sales side, then the support post sales will be just as good and so the effort required will be massive (with little guidance), conversly if it's advertised as supported and has good documentation then life will be easy
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[20:53] <mfa298> The question then is what's my time worth (usually not the saving you get by buying cheap parts)
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> you're making the mistake that I care about orange Pi. I don't and this is a Raspberry Pi channel.
[20:56] <IanTLopp> mfa298: what if the part you buy is nearly unique? there's no other version that might be more compatible?
[20:56] <IanTLopp> that's what I'm faced with (well it might be easy - haven't received them yet)
[20:57] <akk> Are there actually supported touchscreens, that work with standard raspbian kernels?
[20:57] <IanTLopp> akk: I've had good luck with adafruit screens
[20:57] <IanTLopp> with regards to the touchscreen.
[20:57] <IanTLopp> but the form factor and the like might not fit what you need.
[20:57] <mfa298> IanTLopp: depends how you feel about gambling! nearly unique might mean just slightly different in the most important factor (i.e. they changed the one thing that makes it not work)
[20:57] <akk> IanTLopp: Y'know, I just tried searching on adafruit and searching for raspberry display or raspberry touchscreen finds nothing.
[20:58] <akk> I know they used to have them, so maybe search is broken on their site today.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> the adafruit 5" HDMI screen works well as does (of-course) the Pi 7" screen.
[20:58] <IanTLopp> akk: what size screen are you looking for?
[20:58] <IanTLopp> mfa298: try finding a 320x240 screen in 1.8" size
[20:59] <akk> I was looking for 3.2 -- something the same size as the pi3.
[20:59] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: my initial question was: is there a script that can probe SPI bus, and detect items; if you want to talk about rpi, I am in trouble connecting an ENJC28..... to an rpi0; I have tried 3 tutorials, but the pinout of my ethernet item seem different and remains undetected
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, there is no such script.
[20:59] <IanTLopp> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2616
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, it's an open bus - devices don't have "ID" codes, or addresses like I2C. You need to know what you connect to it to use that device.
[21:00] <doublehp> akk: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/staging/fbtft https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki/LCD-Modules
[21:00] <mfa298> simple rule I tend to work by these days: buy something that says it's compatible from a trusted source and it'll probably work (and if not then it's in their interests to help out). If you buy the cheapest option possible (generally ebay or similar types of seller). If you buy from the cheapest place then be prepared for the matching level of support (i.e. none)
[21:01] <IanTLopp> @#$TING CRAP
[21:01] <IanTLopp> I bought the wrong board.
[21:01] <IanTLopp> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IGBDT02/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ordered one of the last of these..
[21:01] <IanTLopp> I had actually been trying to get the 3.2
[21:01] <doublehp> akk: as I said previously, all top-hat items with raspberry in the title of seller page will work outof the box with manufacturer image. Raspbian official images hardly can include ready to use settings for any item, because they all differ in the init sequence, making most of them very hard to detect at boot time.
[21:01] <IanTLopp> I saw the price and thought, holy crap, so cheap! snap snap, it's bought and shipped.
[21:01] <IanTLopp> now I find out it's the wrong size :(
[21:02] <akk> IanTLopp: So that adafruit board works with drivers already in the raspbian kernel? They're not super clear on that on the product page.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> there used to be several little 2.8 & 3.2" displays for the Pi - the main issue is that the developers of those displays need to keep-up with the foundation kernel releases and it seems that's not as easy as it might appear, so from what I can gather, most of them have been discontinued.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> your best bet might be to get one of the little analog monitors - e.g. car reversing things and use the compost video output.
[21:03] <IanTLopp> akk: that... is a good question.
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[21:03] <IanTLopp> honestly, I doubt it, in retrospect.
[21:03] <akk> There are a ton of 2.8 and 3.2 displays but they come in lots of different versions, and you can't necessarily download a driver to go with whatever version they shipped you.
[21:03] <mfa298> doublehp: for the Pi if the device is advertised as a HAT then it should have an ID eeprom to identify itself and could just work on the Raspberry Pi. if you get some other cheap poorly supported boards then good luck
[21:03] <IanTLopp> I do own one of them, and I seem to remember having to download and install the drivers for it.
[21:03] <IanTLopp> by default it didn't work, so after the driver download - it was smooth.
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> or something like this which is USB and not SPI. https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/2-8-usb-tft-touch-display-screen-for-raspberry-pi-v2
[21:03] <akk> IanTLopp: That's scary given that they don't seem to link to a driver download.
[21:03] <akk> Adafruit support used to be great but lately it's not so good.
[21:04] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: when I tried using LCD and ethernet SPI, drivers were saying "received NULL", implying item not detected; so, SPI has some kind of ping, like i2c_detect ...
[21:04] <IanTLopp> akk: if you get it and need help, I'll be happy to find the links for you that I got.
[21:04] <IanTLopp> of course, they may have improved things since then and the links may not be required.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> here is a supported 2.8" one: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-pitft-plus-320x240-2-8-tft-capacitive-touchscreen
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, trust me on this: There is no "ping", "pong" or otherwise on SPI. Really, you send bits down, you get bits back - you need to know what bits to send down to know what bits are coming back.
[21:05] <IanTLopp> akk: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/easy-install
[21:05] <mfa298> doublehp: SPI doesn't have "some kind of ping" different devices might have a way to query it's type/version etc. but that will be different between every single device.
[21:05] <IanTLopp> it's apparently the same as the 2.8" pitft boards
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[21:06] <akk> Looks like those adafruit touchscreens (including the pimoroni one) come with their own kernel which isn't actually up to date with the normal raspbian kernel.
[21:06] <IanTLopp> oh that sucks
[21:06] <mfa298> doublehp: so you can potentially test for a known device, but that might do something weird if a different device is connected, one devices "ping" might be something elses "burn with fire" command
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[21:07] <akk> The pimoroni page notes that bluetooth doesn't work (that actually wouldn't bother me, I seldom use bluetooth, but I wonder what else might be behind? like security updates?)
[21:07] <IanTLopp> akk: likely security updates -esp. considering the whole Meltdown/Spectre debacle
[21:07] <IanTLopp> though I've read that there aren't supposed to be ANY problems with the raspi boards with regards to that problem.
[21:07] <akk> IanTLopp: Right, that's one reason I'm not thrilled about "you have to install our whole kernel" or "our whole distro"
[21:08] <akk> rather than just offering a driver you can add to regular raspbian.
[21:08] <IanTLopp> yeah
[21:08] <IanTLopp> for my purposes, if they had a proper 1.8" screen, I wouldn't mind it as the devices aren't going to be connected to the internet except where updates are needed - which will be few and far between if at all.
[21:08] <akk> plus, of course, wondering what easter eggs might be hidden in someone's binary kernel downloads, especially if it's from some dodgy chinese company
[21:09] <akk> less so from adafruit, but still, how much personal attention do they pay to the downloads?
[21:09] <IanTLopp> akk: I think pimoroni wouldn't be doing something like that.
[21:09] <akk> I'm sure neither adafruit nor pimoroni would do it intentionally.
[21:09] <akk> So who writes their driver code, who generates this binary download, who oversees it and reviews the code?
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> anyway, tonights project done. just need to put it back in it's box then do some more tests on battery life
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/power.jpg
[21:10] <akk> If it's safe, why don't they just offer driver source?
[21:10] <IanTLopp> this is totally speculation and conjecture, but, pimoroni?
[21:10] <akk> That pimoroni page makes it pretty clear they're just selling hardware from adafruit and that's where the special kernel comes from.
[21:10] <akk> So, no, probably not.
[21:11] <IanTLopp> oh
[21:11] <IanTLopp> speculation and conjecture
[21:11] <akk> On the pimoroni page: "Please note at this time the Pi Kernel we have does not come with support for built-in Pi 3 Bluetooth. There is no ETA when Adafruit will have this fixed."
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[21:12] <akk> (The product description is also nearly word for word the same as adafruit's product page.)
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> didn't I say something about keeping up with the foundation kernel earlier?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> takes time & effort... sometimes best to just drop the product...
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[21:19] <akk> Does the foundation make it that hard to get drivers into the mainline kernel?
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[21:20] <akk> And it's possible to compile kernel drivers outside of the kernel, so I'm not clear why that's not an option.
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> it's easy to take a foundation kernel and apply your own drivers into it - however that takes time and effort - getting stuff into the foundation kernel - no idea - getting it into the mainline kernel - no idea.
[21:24] <IanTLopp> programming - no idea :)
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> so if adafuruit had someone who had the time and energy to put their drivers into the current stable kernel, then great, but tomorrow when the foundation reelase a new kernel, then start again.
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[21:26] <Habbie> there is (apt-get install) dkms
[21:26] <Habbie> which allows you to ship a driver as a bunch of source
[21:26] <Habbie> and when apt-get updates your kernel
[21:26] <Habbie> a trigger will run and rebuild your driver
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> maybe if someone were to do it for the adafruit drivers (a) they'd be grateful and (b) support might be better - it's someone who knows how to do it finding the time to do it (I guess)
[21:27] <akk> gordonDrogon: That's the point of having drivers outside the kernel, or else getting them accepted into the mainline kernel.
[21:27] <akk> When a new kernel comes out, your drivers still work (or work with slight updates, possibly).
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> akk, don't tell me, I don't care - tell adafruit.
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[21:34] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: that's the fault of the foundation. mainline won't do that to you, linus wont let subsystem maintainers break existing drivers like that
[21:34] <ali1234> that's one of the things that causes him to go on a rant
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[21:35] <gordonDrogon> kernel hacking is something I've stayed well away from.
[21:35] <ali1234> as ever, if you want to minimize the amount of maintenance work you need to do then you must get your driver mainlined
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I have other stuff to hack, so I leave the kernel to others...
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[22:00] <noregret> can someone point me to a waterproof enclosure for a rpi3 or pi0w?
[22:02] <lopta> Perhaps you could pot it. :-)
[22:02] <H__> I don't have any but I am interested in your application.
[22:02] <doublehp> good night
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[22:03] <Habbie> and how you plan to provide power
[22:03] <lopta> RTG ftw!
[22:04] <noregret> lopta: pot it?
[22:04] <Habbie> rtg?
[22:04] <lopta> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
[22:05] <Habbie> ah
[22:07] * ShorTie needs a few of those
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[22:16] <{HD}> anyone have pi-hole dashboard issues? I just installed pi-hole on a raspi3 running stretch lite upgraded to current. Clean install. Pi-hole seems like it works just no dashboard data...
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[22:17] <noregret> {HD}: which browser?
[22:18] <{HD}> Safari from mbp
[22:18] <noregret> {HD}: i had trouble with chrome, but worked fine from FF and chrome incognito. Try incognito in safari if there is such a thing
[22:18] <noregret> it might be some cache issues i think
[22:19] <{HD}> noregret: good call. I just tried from my cellphone (also running safari but...) and it worked.
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[22:20] <{HD}> noregret: safari from mbp also worked in 'private window' I wonder what I need to fix to make it work in native safari.
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[22:27] <ccat> noregret: "i had trouble with chrome" when trying to do what?
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[22:30] <{HD}> So this seems pretty dumb but just 'clear history - all' seems to have fixed it.
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[22:49] <noregret> {HD}: yeah i figured much, something in the cache affected it I presume
[22:50] <noregret> ccat: using the dashboard
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[22:58] <noregret> is the csi interface on the rpi3 the same as the one in pi0w? does the v2 pi cam work on both?
[23:02] <zleap> should do i think
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[23:19] <shauno> noregret: the camera works, but it needs a slightly different cable. it's electrically the same but they needed a smaller socket
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[23:20] <shauno> (the cable for the rpi3 looks the same at both ends. the cable for the pi0w narrows at one end)
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[23:33] <hishamn__> Hi Folks, I have a confusion and would like to understand it. When trying to run Raspian on Qemu, we need to download both the image of Raspian and a Raspian kernel for Qemu. I need to know why? Why a separate kernel is required to run on Qemu instead of the one included in the Raspian image?
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