#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-17

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[0:07] <semitones_tea> Hey all. If I have an SD card, a usb thumb drive, and an (older) SATA drive with a USB interface, what would be a good way to use them in a home-server setup?
[0:08] <semitones_tea> My considerations are which drive would be best for the filesystem (reads-writes, etc) and what would be best for files (can have a low power mode, stable, etc)
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[2:26] <noregret> shauno: so it won't the full width of the csi port?
[2:26] <noregret> won't use *
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[3:22] <semitones_tea> any downsides to expanding the sd card partition from raspi-config
[3:22] <semitones_tea> ?
[3:23] <ali1234> not really
[3:24] <ali1234> i don't think it lets you can control the new size. you can if you do it manually. that's about it
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[3:32] <ShorTie> thought it did it on 1st boot now
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[3:46] <ali1234> it does i think
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[3:46] <cheers> i know this is slightly off-topic, but...
[3:46] <cheers> any of you guys got fpga dev board recommendations?
[3:47] <cheers> looking at the mojo v3 at the moment. figured some of you guys might have some experience
[3:47] <ali1234> i back the flea ohm
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[3:48] <ali1234> it has the pi zero form factor and a lattice FPGA
[3:48] <ali1234> can run minimig apparently
[3:48] <cheers> hmm, looks neat
[3:48] <cheers> thanks for the input!
[3:48] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIfhLXsYkQ
[3:48] <ali1234> i don't think you can still get one unless you backed it like 6 months ago
[3:48] <cheers> oh :(
[3:49] <ali1234> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fleafpga-ohm-fpga-experimenter-board-arduino#/
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[9:10] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> I do wonder about some of these kick/indie start/go things - this guy already has made the time and effort and spent his own money to get a board made - so why doesn't he just start marketing it than look for funds... maybe it's just me and I'm missing something...
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[9:32] <shauno> I guess so they can reach the economies of scale? I'd have problems fronting $17k to get boards made too, but smaller runs just mean higher per-unit costs (which means less sales ..)
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[9:44] <Aph3x-WL> spending his own money to make a board doesn't mean he has the funds to make more
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[9:53] <MJCDoffice> aloha!
[9:53] <MJCDoffice> im just curious
[9:54] <MJCDoffice> I want to set up a workflow thats like, a vm on this machine
[9:54] <MJCDoffice> then when its ready I just push it over to the pi
[9:54] <MJCDoffice> is that crazy? itd probably just be rsync -r / /remotehost/
[9:54] <MJCDoffice> or something stupid like that
[9:55] <MJCDoffice> as speedy as raspbian is I want it automated more or less
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[10:16] <Lartza> MJCDoffice, You can't virtualize ARM on an x86 PC
[10:16] <Lartza> You can slowly emulate ARM with Qemu but might as well do it on the Pi at that point honestly
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> shauno, Aph3x-WL do a "Sinclair" on it - get orders, then give them a 2-month notice on fullfilment then when you have enough money, get them made :)
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> MJCDoffice, what Lartza says - you might as well do it on a Pi v3.
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> However fwiw - I often do developement on an x86 Linux system, then just do a 'make' on the Pi to get the Pi version as a lot of the projects I do work cross platform anyway.
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> yeah I mean
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> but working in an xterm on my desktop or an xterm ssh'd into a Pi - not any real difference these days.
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> im using node.js
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> that's about it
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[10:24] <MJCDoffice> apache
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> mysql
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> the normal crap
[10:24] <Lartza> But what do you want to push to the Pi specifically?
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> well it runs the backup servers for all of those things
[10:24] <MJCDoffice> and is on the same UPS as the router
[10:25] <Lartza> That doesn't tell me much more on what you want to copy over :P
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[10:26] <MJCDoffice> well I mean its bigger than just those things
[10:26] <MJCDoffice> idk, even system settings
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I often use NFS, so it's "just there".
[10:26] <MJCDoffice> I want to basically go from staging to production
[10:26] <Lartza> Ansible
[10:26] <MJCDoffice> eventually for doing that id have 2 pi's
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[10:30] <shauno> gordonDrogon: the 2-month pre-order thing .. that's basically all kickstarter is for most projects
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> I guess so.
[10:34] <redcar> i can install apt-get install kali-linux-full to raspbian?
[10:34] <MJCDoffice> you cant fucking search all your messeges
[10:34] <MJCDoffice> in fb messenger
[10:34] <MJCDoffice> like..............................
[10:34] <MJCDoffice> you make HOW much a year??
[10:36] <redcar> i can install apt-get install kali-linux-full to raspbian? <— No one know it?
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> MJCDoffice, family friendly, please.
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[10:39] <MJCDoffice> gordonDrogon, how are certain sequences of syllables not family friendly
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> channel rules: Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[10:39] <MJCDoffice> does it possess some kind of like
[10:39] <MJCDoffice> magicks?
[10:39] <MJCDoffice> :0
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[10:39] <gordonDrogon> and rule No. 1 is don't be a jerk.
[10:39] <MJCDoffice> lol
[10:40] <MJCDoffice> "Excessive swearing, or swearing / abusive language directed towards another user in the channel will result in action by a channel operator." Aka I shouldn't call you fuckface, that would not be nice
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> no,m
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[10:41] <Lartza> The mind boggles sometimes :D Time to get some brunch I guess
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[10:46] <redcar> i can install kali-linux-full to raspbian? :)
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> redcar, kali is designed as a stand-alone system.
[10:48] <redcar> oh
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> it would be better if they had simply made the toold availabel to install on a standard debian/raspbian rather than the other way round.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> just get a 2nd SD card?
[10:48] <redcar> i have only one
[10:48] <redcar> :(
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> do you need Kali?
[10:49] <redcar> and i can’t install kali to sd card, when i install kali to sd, there is error
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> right, so you're not actually using it right now?
[10:49] <redcar> yes
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I'd go out and buy a 2nd SD card.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> install kali on one and Raspbian on the other.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> or just install Raspbian and be happy.
[10:51] <redcar> i have no money
[10:51] <redcar> :(
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[10:51] <redcar> if i have money, why i don’t buy it again :(
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> most of the tools that kali uses are standard Linux utilities. all they've done it package them up so that anyone can use them.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> e.g. nmap, wireshark, jtr, and so on - these are standard packages under raspbian.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> trouble is... you actually need to make the effort to learn how to use them, rather than use kali's point and drool interface.
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[10:53] <redcar> ㅐㅏ
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so, since you have no money, substitute money for your time and start learning ...
[10:53] <redcar> ok
[10:53] * ShorTie snickers, point and drool interface
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, hm. it's a somewhat old term..
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> think I was using it in the 80's ;-)
[10:54] <ShorTie> thought it is cute
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> when all this gui thing was new and shiny and we thought it was just a passing fad :)
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> we called it WIMP back then too. Another useless term...
[10:55] <mfa298> we all learn something new everyday - I'm not sure I'd heard point and drool before either
[10:55] <ShorTie> does take away some of the learning
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> might be a country specific term..
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> WIMP was Windows, Icons Mouse and Pointer. A backronym if ever there was one.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> and does anyone use WYSIWYG anymore, or it just just "the norm" now ..
[11:01] <mfa298> I knew of WIMP (and WYSIWYG) from the acorn days, but was probably just after guis ariving and being thought of as a passing fad
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[11:43] <Maai> you like CLI? you mean?
[11:43] <Maai> *yoda*
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[13:00] <mslot> I have just setup linux on Raspberry pi, installed docker, compiled a dotnet core app for pulling Philips Hue sensor stats, and made the docker image deploy to the pi through Azure IoTEdge. It is pretty cool. Now i need to explore kubernetes aswell :D I am thrilled :D
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[14:22] <realies> is there an online raspbian packages info api?
[14:23] <realies> similar to http://alpinelinux.org/packages
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> apt-cache search '.*'
[14:23] <realies> oh :)
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[14:23] <realies> gordonDrogon, what if im not running it right now and want to check some versions?
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> inconceivable!
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> no idea though - I run debian/raspbian/devuan everywhere, so I always have something to-hand.
[14:24] <realies> gordonDrogon, yeah, bad microusb connector
[14:24] <realies> need to find someone to replace it
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> on a Pi?
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[14:46] <realies> yeah gordonDrogon
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[14:51] <mfa298> realies: depending on what information you need the online lists of debian packages might get you close to what you want - mgiht not be 100% accurate but can at least give an idea of things.
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[15:12] <PhoenixMage> Hi all, any idea how I can test if a uart is in use?
[15:14] <BurtyB> PhoenixMage, try to open /dev/tty... ?
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[15:16] <PhoenixMage> lsof says its not in use, wasnt sure if that is a enough
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[15:19] <PhoenixMage> For some reason under arch I cant use ttyAMA0 for my razberry board, I can use it under ttyS1 if I disable the console on it but my understanding is that is using the miniuart not the PL011
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[15:35] <merlac> RPi 3 Model B + NOOBS v2.4 pre-installed SDHC card. I'm installing Raspbian (full) + data partition right now, but i don't remember the step "the install process will begin shortly" ever having taken so long as it does right now. i've been waiting for 25 minutes now - can it take this long or should i try something
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[15:38] <merlac> also, if i restart at this moment, it most certainly would damage the noobs image on the SDHC card, am i right?
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> I'd just shut it down and re-image the SD card with raspbian.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> if you can.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> download the Raspbian image off the raspberrypi.org website.
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[15:46] <Willd> Hey, I'm seeing "i2c transfer failed: 200" after updating a pi of mine. I think I went from 4.4 to 4.9.
[15:46] <Willd> Anything I can do about it, other than downgrading the kernel?
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[15:48] <merlac> i can't write to sd cards atm, so i just powered it off and on again. noobs still seems to be working, so i'll give it a second try without the ext4 partition. why is it that every noobs installation i've ever done was broken in some way :(
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> Willd, do you have any I2C peripherals plugged in?
[15:50] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Two of them :)
[15:50] <Willd> Works on 4.4, does not on 4.9
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd do stuff like make sure the device tree is enabled, use raspi-config to make sure I2C is loaded at boot time too.
[15:52] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Seems to be all working..
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> well if it's working, don't fix it :)
[15:53] <Willd> gordonDrogon: I can see one of the adresses with i2cdetect, but the bus seems totally clogged
[15:53] <Vooloo> can I use an external HD without it having its own power supply? for example is this enough for my pi with external HD? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V3A-5V-3A-Raspberry-PI-2-Model-B-Power-Adapter-Raspberry-PI-Power-Adapter-power-supply/32381927584.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.269.y1XPBV
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[15:58] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Guess I'll stay at 4.4 for the foreseeable future..
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[15:58] <merlac> just for the record, if you're stuck at "The install process will begin shortly." when unpacking noobs v2.4 on a RPi 3 Model B, you might be able to power it off and on again without any (further) damage to the noobs image, but it doesn't make it install properly next time. thanks for the help, i'll try and go straight for dd'ing raspbian on that thing.
[15:59] <PhoenixMage> How do you tell pins 14 and 15 which UART to actually use?
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Willd, I'm using 4.9 with I2C myself and not had any issues. Odd that something isn't working for you though. Been using 4.9 for about a year now.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Willd, however I'm still using Jessie.
[15:59] <Willd> Ah
[15:59] <PhoenixMage> Sorry GPIO 14/15
[15:59] <Willd> I did update to stretch
[16:00] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Does work perfectly with 4.4.16 and stretch though
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> PhoenixMage, no idea, sorry. I gave up using the Pi's on-board serial a long time back.
[16:03] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Seems something happened between 4.4 and 4.9 that changes something
[16:04] <Willd> I would love to bisect the changes, but it looks like I'm about a 100 revisions behind..
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[16:06] <Willd> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/867
[16:06] <Willd> Seems related :)
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> oh lovely.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> glad I haven't upgraded to stretch then.
[16:10] <Vooloo> If using a usb hub do you power the pi and an external HD through that only, or do you need a separate power adapter for the pi? I would preferably only use one outlet
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Vooloo, some external HDs will work without a separate PSU.
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[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Vooloo, this is all well documented online - e.g. the Pi v3 will allow up to 1.2 amps out of the USB sockets (sum total).
[16:11] <Willd> gordonDrogon: But you are running 4.9?
[16:11] <Rickta59> i have one of those WD my passport drives and an rpi 2 plugged into a powered hub seems to work ok
[16:11] <Willd> That's interesting
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> however to make sure it's up to that then buy a good PSU - that meals NOT buying some cheap PSU from alibaba and the 40 thieves, but buying an official good PSU.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Willd, yes.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> gordon@pidp8:~$ uname -a
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Linux pidp8 4.9.35+ #1014 Fri Jun 30 14:34:49 BST 2017 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> 4.9 was released early in 2017. I had to update wiringPi for it for some of the device detection thingys.
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[16:17] <Willd> gordonDrogon: I'll try that revision :)
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> not sure how the kernel can break it though - it's mostly done in hardware.
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[16:19] <swensson> So if I don't write one letter / minute my ssh connection drops :S
[16:19] <swensson> Well freeze's anyways
[16:19] <Willd> swensson: Start sending keep-alives? :)
[16:19] <swensson> Willd, what's that? :O
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[16:20] <Willd> swensson: https://patrickmn.com/aside/how-to-keep-alive-ssh-sessions/
[16:20] <swensson> Im writing some code in a file and using it all the time. but if I write to fast it freezes, and fast is like 5letters in 5sec-.-
[16:20] <Willd> swensson: Sounds like your network is also shitty :)
[16:20] <swensson> Willd It's only on the pi, my server / other devices works great
[16:21] <Willd> swensson: Are you having a lot of dropped packages to the pi?
[16:21] <swensson> Willd not that I know of no
[16:21] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Seems the issue is on 4.9.35 as well
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[16:22] <Willd> Interesting issue this one. Combination of software and hardware faults..
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[16:23] <gordonDrogon> That Pi is a Pi 0W. Not sure if ive ever hooked I2C up to it.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> don't think I have anything else handy I coudl try.
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> not until next week, anyway - just got too much on and some travel the next few days.
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[16:26] <Vooloo> Could this http://www.tp-link.com/ca/products/details/cat-5688_UH720.html power 2 pis on the same hub? It is kinda expensive, so would be nice if I only need one
[16:26] <Willd> gordonDrogon: No worries. I'll keep it on 4.4 for the time being
[16:27] <Willd> When I have more time, I'll try to nail down why it is happening
[16:27] <Willd> I just realized I have all the scoping tools I need :)
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[16:30] <Willd> gordonDrogon: http://www.advamation.com/knowhow/raspberrypi/rpi-i2c-bug.html
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[16:30] <Willd> Seems I'm not alone in this anywho
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[16:31] <IanTLopp> vooloo: it says it supports charging two devices at 2.4a, BUT it says it "intelligently recognize(s) and optimally charge(s) attached and iOS and Android devices."
[16:31] <IanTLopp> how it determines what they are, I don't know. so maybe it won't provide the power.
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[16:32] <BurtyB> Willd, does your device use clock stretching? I use I2C i/o expanders on the pi and haven't noticed any issues on stretch (tho it doesn't use clock stretching)
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[16:33] <Willd> BurtyB: It might, not my code unfortunely.
[16:33] <Willd> Trying to read through it now
[16:35] <mfa298> Willd: the clock stretching bug has been known about for a long time and is a hardware issue, I doubt a kernel upgrade would affect that (if that's what you're suggesting - I've not read all the scrollback)
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[16:38] <Willd> mfa298: What's your best guess then?
[16:38] <BurtyB> Willd, prob easier to just look at the datasheet for whatever you have on the other end
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[16:39] <Willd> BurtyB: An atmega328p :)
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[16:40] <mfa298> if the device utilises clock stretching then you could hit that specific bug in any release - maybe you were just lucky before (or something else changed to affect things)
[16:40] <mfa298> a logic analyser can be a very useful tool when trying to see what's going wrong.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> Willd, the clock-stretching thing (or lack of) has been well known for the past 5+ years.
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[16:41] <Willd> gordonDrogon: New to me anyway :)
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> it suggests that the issue you're seeing is not clock stretching though - ie. it worked before the kernel update - so it's more likely to be the kernel driver that they've broken.
[16:44] <Willd> gordonDrogon: Yeah, downgrading to 4.4 makes it work again
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[18:08] <ritztech> anyone know of a tool i can look at trying out .... (Wired connection and Wireless) i want to build a web page proxy page that connects via Wired PI but i can browse a website via the wireless but the view on the Main page is really if your browsing on the unit
[18:09] <ritztech> this is for testing healthy wifi browsing / as if you were onsite
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[18:17] <BurtyB> ritztech, not sure I fully understand but why not just use a browser on the Pi and vnc into it?
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[18:18] <ritztech> ill have 100 units and was trying to build a main webpage but have a mini web proxy to connect to each PI and wanted to limit just 1 app simplistic (we have a landing page at many locaitons where we cant have techs24/7 so these are more like health probes)
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[19:09] <Encrypt> Hello guys o/
[19:10] <Encrypt> Has anyone here built a "MySensors" gateway with a Raspberry Pi?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> MyPrecious ...
[19:12] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Hum? :D
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> nothing.nevermind.
[19:13] <Encrypt> Ok (<.<)
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> just had a golum moment there...
[19:14] <Encrypt> Ah ah
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[19:26] <H4ndy> yay, got my Inky pHAT today and its awesome :D
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[19:28] <akk> I've been wanting to get something like that.
[19:29] <H4ndy> Its a shame that even basic little eInks are so horribly expensive
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[20:11] <realies> is it possible to use the raspberry pi camera from an arm container?
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[21:39] <Technicus> Hello.
[21:39] <zleap> hi
[21:40] <Technicus> Get ready for what may be a somewhat complicated question . . .
[21:40] <Maai> *URGH*
[21:41] <Technicus> I have made a button matrix and connected it to the GPIO of a Raspberry Pi, by following this tutorial: < http://blog.gegg.us/2017/08/a-matrix-keypad-on-a-raspberry-pi-done-right/ >.
[21:41] <Technicus> It works, mostly.
[21:42] <Technicus> I installed RetroPi, but it does not like the GPIO matrix.
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> did retropi come with its own kernel?
[21:43] <Technicus> Yes, but I don't think it is any thing different than a standard kernel.
[21:44] <Technicus> I have been reading this: < https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Retrogame/issues/5 >, which suggests that there is some issue with SDL.
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[21:45] <Technicus> Also the readme for this somewhat related GitHub entry suggests that there is some issue with SDL2: < https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Retrogame >.
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[21:46] <Technicus> So my question is, does anyone have advice on how to get the GPIO matrix to work with the emulator?
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[21:46] <Technicus> OR does anyone have suggestions on how I could figure out how to get it working?
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[21:49] <Technicus> What does udev do?
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[21:52] <Technicus> What does this mean: `SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{name}=="retrogame", ENV{ID_INPUT_KEYBOARD}="1"` ?
[21:53] <Technicus> It is a UDEV rule.
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[21:56] <Technicus> I know it is a UDEV rule, but what does it mean?
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[22:04] <Maai> good-o being interested in the electronic side Technic
[22:04] * Maai is sitting by the window for a bit... it is raining x
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[22:10] <GenteelBen> You should build an RPi-based water collector.
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[22:13] <Technicus> Does anyone have a suggestion for a power regulator that offers a proper shutdown button?
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[22:31] <Technicus> Hey the matrix is working, but multiple key presses are not being registered.
[22:31] <Technicus> Awaaa jeeze . . . i'm getting frustrated . . .
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[22:33] <Maai> back
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[23:53] <IanTLopp> hmm.. using this tutorial https://medium.com/a-swift-misadventure/how-to-setup-your-raspberry-pi-2-3-with-ubuntu-16-04-without-cables-headlessly-9e3eaad32c01 I got to the point where I installed avahi-daemon, and then tried to ssh into the unit from this laptop, and "ssh root@ubuntu-minimal.local" returns the error "ssh: Could not resolve hostname ubuntu-minimal.local: Name or service not known"
[23:54] <IanTLopp> what is the default hostname for avahi-daemon?
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