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IRC Log for 2018-01-19

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[0:02] <shauno> that'd be a pretty neat trick for a laptop
[0:03] <Aph3x-WL> i know a guy that takes a dead macbook to coffeeshops to get dates and it works :P
[0:03] <HrdwrBoB> Aph3x-WL: incorrect
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[0:03] <HrdwrBoB> I have a macbook and I have not had a date for over 13 years
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[0:04] <ozzzy_> you need to hang out in more Starbucks
[0:04] <HrdwrBoB> and probably be less married
[0:04] <ozzzy_> no... those guys don't care
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[0:07] <SilenceDogood> Hey, I like to work on these small computers but a big hurdle for me is having a monitor for them
[0:08] <SilenceDogood> I want to know: is there some way I can use my laptop screen for that? I am thinking of like a USB device that takes HDMI-in and some software that displays what comes in that way on the screen
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[0:08] <SilenceDogood> Seems like that should be a possibility unless I'm misunderstanding something about the technologies
[0:08] <Aph3x-WL> you could vnc into it
[0:09] <Aph3x-WL> i do that for mine
[0:09] <romolus> You could do a headless setup and use putty on your laptop to ssh into it
[0:09] <SilenceDogood> that stuff's tempermental as hell
[0:10] <HrdwrBoB> yeah you don't need a screen
[0:10] <HrdwrBoB> also you can get little 7" screens that the pi plugs directly into
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[0:11] <SilenceDogood> Actually I'm visually impaired. I don't want to use the tiny screens
[0:11] <romolus> Yeah those 7" screens are great too
[0:11] <redrabbit> ssh is good
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[0:12] <redrabbit> SilenceDogood: actually if you find that device you are looking for im interested as well
[0:12] <redrabbit> as long as it is cheap
[0:12] <SilenceDogood> having ssh as an option is good but you need a screen to work with the Raspberry PI Zero W any time it doesn't connect to the wifi correctly.
[0:12] <redrabbit> there is work arounds
[0:12] <redrabbit> but sure, that would be handy
[0:13] <akk> A screen or some other method, like a serial cable.
[0:13] <shauno> I just use ssh. and the usb-gadget networking stuff, so it's just the pi0 & a usb cable
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[0:13] <SilenceDogood> usb-gadget ? what you mean
[0:13] <redrabbit> its user preference though
[0:13] <redrabbit> usb-gadget ethernet via usb from host
[0:14] <SilenceDogood> Ohhhh, ethernet. OK I getcha on that
[0:14] <SilenceDogood> I guess ethernet's really the only way to GUARANTEE a raspbery pi zero stays online all the time anyway
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[0:15] <redrabbit> wifi works fine... till it doesnt
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[0:18] <BillD73> just my 2 cents, I found that my wifi issues were fixed with Pi's in gerenal after I had an older router replaced by my service provider like twice till they change the brand. I think it was a "comtrend" that was causing me the issues. Have a motorola now
[0:19] <redrabbit> yeah its really depends on context
[0:19] <redrabbit> it*
[0:19] <redrabbit> usually its solid
[0:19] <BillD73> i even had better luck disabling my comtrends wifi and running a wired netgear WAP for my wifi
[0:20] <SilenceDogood> Still, at this point, I own alot of these little computers at this point (2 CHIPs, 1 RPI Zero, 2 RPI Zero Ws, an RPI2, and RPI3 running RetroPie) and I am often wanting to try out a new OS or other project and configuring each one takes a loooong time. What would really get them out of my closet and into projects more is if I could configure them using my laptop screen
[0:20] <redrabbit> wires are good
[0:20] <redrabbit> SilenceDogood: i dont even count them now
[0:20] <redrabbit> the orange pi are not bad also
[0:20] <SilenceDogood> I'm almost sure I'm forgetting one from that list
[0:21] <SilenceDogood> You can work on an OS that's already installed using SSH but you can't install an OS using SSH. You need a screen for that initial setup
[0:21] <redrabbit> you need something that takes hdmi and converts it into either network stream or some usb output?
[0:21] <SilenceDogood> Yeah
[0:21] <redrabbit> not sure where you can find that
[0:21] <BillD73> #raspberrypi#raspberrypi\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[0:21] <redrabbit> ive been looking as well
[0:21] <BillD73> wth... lol
[0:22] <BillD73> when I set up a new Pi. I do it in my living room where my router/wifi is, spare hdmi cable and spare wired router access. Use my wireless logitech keyboard
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[0:24] <akk> When I set up a new pi, I install stuff to the SD card from another computer, no need for a display on the pi.
[0:24] <BillD73> sometimes I''ll make an SD card on my ubuntu Eee PC laptop or sometimes its my ubuntu tower attached to my TV with a USB bootstick of some sort lol
[0:24] <redrabbit> its about convenience
[0:24] <redrabbit> akk: same
[0:24] <SilenceDogood> What about this thing? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HDMI-2-0-capture-card-HDMI-USB-HD-Video-Capture-Card-1080P-60FPS-Recorder-For-Linux/32827273904.html?src=google&albslr=220390312&isdl=y&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&source=%7Bifdyn:dyn%7D%7Bifpla:pla%7D%7Bifdbm:DBM&albch=DID%7D&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&isdl=y&albcp=653153425&albag=33189090135&slnk=&trgt=68416666751&plac=&crea=en32827273904&netw=g&device=c&m
[0:25] <HrdwrBoB> SilenceDogood: that would work fine
[0:25] <SilenceDogood> Now, before you say "FAKE" there's one thing I notice about the reviews which makes me seriously think about buying it
[0:25] <redrabbit> looks good
[0:25] <HrdwrBoB> SilenceDogood: but still... why
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[0:25] <redrabbit> tell me how well it works when you get it
[0:25] <HrdwrBoB> what are you doing that you need the display for
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[0:26] <SilenceDogood> While it takes in 1080p 60fps over HDMI, it outputs SD so it can come in over USB 2.0
[0:26] <redrabbit> ah that sucks
[0:26] <SilenceDogood> HrdwrBoB, as a way to work on single board computer projects using my laptop screen
[0:26] <SilenceDogood> to provide the monitor for working on these
[0:27] <akk> If you can get it up on even a local net, then you can use X forwarding.
[0:27] <akk> I use all my pis headless and run ssh -X to them if I need anything that shows a window.
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[0:28] <SilenceDogood> akk, this isn't about working on them AFTER the initial setup
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[0:28] <SilenceDogood> This is about being able to make the initial setup convenient.
[0:28] <HrdwrBoB> SilenceDogood: I understand what it does
[0:28] <HrdwrBoB> ....
[0:28] <HrdwrBoB> ahh ok
[0:28] <akk> What initial setup that can't be done over an ssh?
[0:28] <SilenceDogood> akk installing the OS ?
[0:28] <BillD73> so I popped in after a google serach for a Pi chat. I got a old Pi2(iirc) that has 4 usb slots I'm not using and was thinking of setting up a home security with DVR on it. any suggestions for a good site with info
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> SilenceDogood: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10251/prepare-sd-card-for-wifi-on-headless-pi
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> that is what you want
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> much ebtter
[0:29] <akk> I didn't know it was even possible to install the OS on the Pi -- don't you have to have an OS on the card before the Pi can show anything on the screen anyway?
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> akk: exactly
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> you don't install the OS as such
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> you copy it to an SD card
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> also, once you prep an SD card with your settings
[0:29] <akk> You burn the OS to the card, then you mount it and set it up for your network, then you boot the pi and ssh in.
[0:29] <HrdwrBoB> make an image, then just duplicate it
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[0:33] <redrabbit> SilenceDogood: https://aliexpress.com/item/Kebidumei-Full-HD-USB3-0-1080-P-HDMI-Vid-o-Carte-de-Capture-Bo-te-standard/32849099269.html
[0:33] <akk> redrabbit: On the usb gadget thing, one tutorial I'm finding is powering the 0w from that and not using a power cable. I assume it's better to use a power cable?
[0:33] <redrabbit> theses look better but not cheap
[0:33] <akk> Or does it interfere if power is also coming in over the USB?
[0:33] <redrabbit> akk: good question
[0:34] <akk> I know there are always dire warnings about not connecting the power line on the serial cable if the Pi is powered already.
[0:34] <redrabbit> i woulnt
[0:34] <BurtyB> the power on USB and PWR are connected together so I'd only power it from one
[0:34] <akk> But I thought USB power wasn't considered enough for a pi, even a pi0?
[0:34] <redrabbit> the arduino handles that nicely
[0:35] <redrabbit> you can plug 9v psu and usb at the same time
[0:35] <akk> yeah, arduinos are very well behaved about power.
[0:35] <akk> The early ones had a jumper you had to move, and I love how the current ones handle it automagically.
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[0:35] <BurtyB> akk, yes it's officially out of spec but most USB ports are going to supply 500mA (which would be plenty) these days
[0:36] <akk> ok, maybe I'll try it that way
[0:36] <SilenceDogood> I've been thinking about trying to get into using ZeroNet for stuff, and serving my own site on there would seem to involve wanting to make a dedicated ZeroNet serving and proxy box, which I was thinking I could do on my Raspberry PI Zero W
[0:36] <akk> I did power my first Pi 1B over USB for a while before I found out I wasn't supposed to, and nothing bad happened.
[0:36] <akk> And I think a 0w uses a lot less than a 1B.
[0:36] <SilenceDogood> but wow, everything involved in this is complicated
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[0:41] <BillD73> I have been using a 1A on multiple older flatpanel TVs thru out the house for a few years just using a heavy usb to mini off the TV with no issues
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[0:42] <BillD73> course most have a 2B attached as well lol pretty convient without having to have an outlet for each an every power supply
[0:43] <BillD73> grab the TV remote, switch HDMI port from Kodi to a DSL setup lol
[0:43] <redrabbit> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GWDXO7U?ref=emc_b_5_t SilenceDogood
[0:43] <SilenceDogood> This guy has a review you guys may find interesting: https://youtu.be/8DJPD5842PI
[0:43] <redrabbit> the good capture gear is not cheap
[0:44] <redrabbit> i probably wont ever need it that bad to pay this ammount
[0:44] <redrabbit> when you can use a normal screen
[0:44] <redrabbit> you can get a screen for that price lol
[0:44] <BillD73> lol
[0:45] <SilenceDogood> wait, I have an Avermedia Live Gamer Portable device already. Might it work for this? I want to fin dout
[0:45] <redrabbit> yeah that's what it is
[0:45] <redrabbit> sure
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[0:46] <SilenceDogood> well redrabbit i've never seen it put live footage on my computer screen before. I've only ever used it for recording
[0:47] <SilenceDogood> if it'll capture and output to screen, then I'd be all set just from that device alone
[0:47] <SilenceDogood> but I don't know if it outputs to screen
[0:47] <redrabbit> you can probaby make it
[0:47] <redrabbit> no reason you coudnt do this
[0:48] <SilenceDogood> I'm gonna go get my RetroPie box and try it with that
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[1:12] <prototron> Hey, is that possible to use two HAT soundcard that uses I2S?
[1:13] <prototron> I am thinking about stacking this: http://www.audioinjector.net/rpi-octo-hat
[1:13] <prototron> On this: http://iqaudio.co.uk/hats/25-pi-amp-0712411999698.html
[1:13] <SilenceDogood> Oh awesome, I got to see my raspberry PI's screen through the software provided with the Avermedia Live Gamer Portable!
[1:13] <SilenceDogood> Now all I need to do is figure out how to get that full screen
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[1:18] <BillD73> which Pi had the HDMI, 2 USBs, RCA and Audio input, Full size SD card and mini USB power next to it, was that A+?
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[1:23] <BillD73> NM, that was a Pi1 Model B
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[1:27] <SilenceDogood> Well I can totally see the screen of my devices now using the Avermedia Live Gamer Portable + OBS
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[1:28] <SilenceDogood> this is awesome and it means I'll be able to configure them much more easily any time I want! :D
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[1:39] <SilenceDogood> But for some reason, RetroPie is completely screwing up and refusing to recognize my keyboard as an input device for RetroArch, resulting in me getting stuck any time I load a game. :(
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[1:57] <BillD73> that bites. I got an OLD nintendo upstairs, havent seen it in years lol was thinking of building a retro gaming thinkg onit for my girls lol
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[1:58] <SilenceDogood> I'm gonna fix it but first I'm gonna run updates
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[1:59] <BillD73> updates are always a good start
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[2:00] <SilenceDogood> I'm really excited about this NESmaker thing. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1316851183/nesmaker-make-nes-games-no-coding-required
[2:00] <SilenceDogood> FYI the games made by NESmaker work on RetroArch including RetroPie.
[2:02] <BillD73> just something I am thinking about
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[2:06] <BillD73> so will the RetroArch work ok on a Pi 1 B?
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[2:12] <SilenceDogood> BillD73 absolutely should.
[2:12] <SilenceDogood> However, you may not be able to run the more advanced systems like Playstation on the older PI because I think it has less RAM
[2:13] <SilenceDogood> But for 8 bit and 16 bit console emulation you should be fine.
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[2:15] <BillD73> thats fine. So is RetroArch a standalone OS for the Pi or do you neex to have a working OS like Raspbian on there already?
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[2:21] <binaryhermit> you can use raspbian or install something like Lakka
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[2:24] <SilenceDogood> BillD73 RetroArch is an application which provides a frontend for the libretro API which runs many different emulators
[2:24] <SilenceDogood> BillD73 RetroPie is an OS built to run mainly RetroArch and provide menus navigable with a gamepad. But it kind of sucks at design, so you need a keyboard anyway.
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[2:25] <SilenceDogood> RetroPie is essentially Raspbian minus unnecessary stuff plus a bunch of custom setup scripts
[2:26] <SilenceDogood> it shouldn't be too hard to install RetroArch on top of another linux if you want
[2:29] <shauno> huh. I've never used a keyboard with retropie
[2:30] <BillD73> hmmm.. So I could leave a Raspbian set up alone, jsut shutdown, swap SDs and fire up a RetroArch setup
[2:37] <SilenceDogood> BillD73 oh, totally
[2:37] <SilenceDogood> shauno, then you've never used wifi
[2:38] <SilenceDogood> this screen setup is working great. i had no idea the device I already owned was capable of operating this way :)
[2:38] <shauno> I just pre-load wpa_supplicant into /boot, same as I usually do with rasbian
[2:38] <SilenceDogood> shauno is there a good tutorial on how to do that?
[2:39] <SilenceDogood> not just how to paste it, I mean how to get the wpa_supplicant file or whatever it's called
[2:40] <mk-fg> You mean "man wpa_supplicant.conf"?
[2:40] <SilenceDogood> oh does that actually help?
[2:40] <SilenceDogood> OK. Those often don't.
[2:41] <shauno> the accepted answer on this isnt' bad; https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10251/prepare-sd-card-for-wifi-on-headless-pi
[2:42] <shauno> but to be honest, I set it up once and then kept a copy of the config. so I don't think about what's in it anymore, I just write the image to the card, copy boot & wpa_supplicant.conf to the first partition, and then eject it
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[2:43] <SilenceDogood> k
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[4:22] <futurejonez> o.
[4:22] <futurejonez> o/ *
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[5:24] <ikkuranus> I got that ttl to 232 adapter finally
[5:24] <ikkuranus> only had to mess with settings for about 15m before getting it to work but all is good now
[5:25] <ikkuranus> just need a gender changer so I can plug in that console cable now
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[5:38] <Siorai> Note to self: be prepared for long compile times if you --enable-optimizations when building python from source to get 3.6
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[6:34] <grokkingStuff> beep boop
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[6:35] <grokkingStuff> i'm trying to setup a headless install on a raspberry pi zero w (with raspbian installed on its SD card with ether)
[6:35] <grokkingStuff> followed a bunch of tutorials but didn't work.
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[6:35] <grokkingStuff> been following the stuff on https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-zero-creation/text-file-editing
[6:35] <grokkingStuff> doesn't work :(
[6:36] <grokkingStuff> the green led goes on off on the three pis i have so i know they're not dead
[6:36] <grokkingStuff> anyone here willing to help me out?
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[7:18] <grokkingStuff> got it to work!
[7:18] <grokkingStuff> thanks!
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[8:52] <Rukus> I heard dietpi was some pretty cool stuff. Does anyone with an opinion on that?
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[14:50] <TotallyNotKim> hey folks, so I got a mcp2515 module. It hould communicate via SPI. I'd like to outsource the power supply to an external 5V supply I got. Will it work? Or does SPI nned a common ground or something
[14:50] <TotallyNotKim> because right now, I got it wired up and spi enabled, however it does not get detected by the kernel
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[14:52] <BurtyB> TotallyNotKim, it's going to need a common ground and don't forget the Pi gpio is 3.3v only
[14:52] <TotallyNotKim> that's why I got the 5v supply too
[14:52] <TotallyNotKim> so how would I wire this up?
[14:53] <TotallyNotKim> I got one ground pin on the module and as far as I know routing the power over the "wrong" ground is a no-no?
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[14:57] <BurtyB> TotallyNotKim, you'd need to run the IC with a vdd of 3.3v otherwise you're going to get 5v at the Pi so I'd look at how your module works
[14:59] <TotallyNotKim> okay, so that's the module: http://www.komputer.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mcp2515_sch.jpg
[14:59] <TotallyNotKim> sry first time pulling something like this off
[14:59] <TotallyNotKim> so I need to solder an extra wire onto that, right?
[14:59] <TotallyNotKim> damn
[15:00] <TotallyNotKim> cant I "underpower" the voltage? I can set my supply to 3.3V
[15:01] <TotallyNotKim> if the MCP2515 takes 3.3v anyway, what could go wrong?
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[15:03] <BurtyB> TotallyNotKim, the TJA1050 has a min voltage of 4.75 so you'd need to use 5v with the module and aa level shifter between it and the Pi
[15:03] <TotallyNotKim> garn
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[15:39] <bobstro> Rukus: dietpi is interesting if you really want to save disk space, but leaves a lot of stuff out that you might end up adding back.
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[17:11] <ap5> I really love the raspberrypi because of the fact that I can run docker, kubernetes, iotedge and bouncer on it :D This is an AWESOME piece of hardware!!!
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[17:16] <Azlux> ap5: :D
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[17:24] <ap5> The fact that a simple man like me can ccccccgbcnbuevirhibdkvrujuifrlrejvbghlbdeieh
[17:25] <ap5> wups
[17:25] <ap5> child pushed the yubikey :D
[17:25] <ap5> the fact that a simple man like can purchase man "servers" and experiment is awesome.
[17:26] <ap5> many*
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[17:34] <bobstro> ap5: that's the appeal of linux in general. you get to play with the same toys as the big boys.
[17:34] <bobstro> the RPi lowers the bar of entry even further, and makes using linux in a variety of settings much more practicial.
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[18:38] <ap5> bobstro, that is correct
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> Us "big boys" like 'em too, as we can experiment and hone our skills without bringing down the network. :p
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[18:41] <MacGeek> then there's people like me who have never really experimented with linux and get them to start tinkering, learning, and playing with stuff
[18:41] <IT_Sean> For the cost of entry, you can't really go wrong with a Pi or two for playing about.
[18:42] <MacGeek> I ordered my first pi yesterday in fact :p
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[18:42] <IT_Sean> WOO!
[18:43] <MacGeek> flash sale on amazon, impulse buy instinct got the better of me
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[18:44] <IT_Sean> The Pi falls well below my "impulse buy price cap" threshhold.
[18:46] <MacGeek> I spent 63.99 eur for the kit I ordered
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[18:47] <chisight> wish i'd seen the flash sale, but probably only on the expensive kits and not on a zero-w that i want.
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[18:47] <MacGeek> pi + case + heatsinks + power adapter w/switch + 32 gig card + microsd reader + hdmi cable
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[18:47] <MacGeek> it usually sells for 79.99
[18:47] <IT_Sean> heatsinks? YOu didn't fall for that trick, did you?
[18:48] <MacGeek> I didn't get that kit specifically for the heatsinks, they were included in it
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[18:48] <MacGeek> https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B074Z4M4TF/
[18:48] <IT_Sean> heatsinks on a Pi serve only to seperate an idiot from their money.
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[18:49] <MacGeek> that's the kit
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[18:49] <BurtyB> Hmm the trick of needing a fan/heatsink if you actually use the cpu for any period of time...
[18:49] <BurtyB> IT_Sean, sure if you don't mind it throttling
[18:50] <shauno> my problem with heatsinks is that they end up at the wrong place in the list, simply because they're cheap wotsits
[18:50] <MacGeek> I literally have no idea if they're really needed, having never owned a pi before, I just mentioned them because that kit that I bought on sale includes them
[18:50] <chisight> i don't have much over $79 in all my pi combined.
[18:51] <shauno> if you're having heat problems, step1 is to make sure the case can ventilate. step2 is to get a fan to force it to ventilate. only then is step3 a heatsink (and not with double-sided sticky tape) to worry about the chip-air transfer
[18:51] <MacGeek> chisight: I got it at 63.99 - which includes sales tax, which over here is 22%
[18:51] <MacGeek> so I guess all in all not a bad deal
[18:51] <shauno> but people turn to them first, not last, because they make a kit look more featureful, for the sake of 2 cents of scrap metal
[18:51] <chisight> ouch.
[18:52] <MacGeek> for comparison, the cheapest amazon listing for an official starter kit (pi + official case + 16 gig microsd + official power adapter) over here is iirc 53-something eur.
[18:52] <chisight> the layer of insulating tape is the best feature on most pi heatsink kits.
[18:53] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:53] <shauno> I think of it more as a punchline :/
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[18:53] <chisight> it convinces some people to get a fan. others, to get a real heatsink with thermal paste.
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[19:17] <lilfluf> hello. i'm using a supposedly 5V 3A chinese power supply and rpi *sometimes* shows the underpowered lightning icon, like when booting or running $ stress. it only stays for 2-3 seconds, it's never continuous
[19:18] <lilfluf> i plugged a usb hdd directly into pi (without outer power source) and ran $ stress on all cpus and the rpi managed to survive for about a minute
[19:19] <lilfluf> is this supply okayish?
[19:19] <Lartza> Nope
[19:19] <lilfluf> dammit
[19:20] <Lartza> Unless you are using a long or bad cable and can swap that
[19:20] <Lartza> (and that is the issue)
[19:20] <lilfluf> nope, tried my best cables
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[19:21] <GenteelBen> lilfluf, sounds like unstable voltage.
[19:21] <GenteelBen> It may explode in your face, or even worse, brick your RPi.
[19:22] <lilfluf> yeah i somehow assumed it was good, i was running headless
[19:22] <Lartza> I assumed my Nexus 7 charger was good until I switched it to an official PSU and stopped getting filesystem corruption :P
[19:22] <Lartza> headless too
[19:23] <lilfluf> by the way, when i googled plugging usb hdds into rpi, every site suggested i'd need additional psu
[19:23] <lilfluf> but it seems to run just fine
[19:24] <Lartza> Depends on the HDD
[19:24] <lilfluf> ti did kill it, but it took full $ stress while reading
[19:25] <chisight> i've been running several pi for years off a bunch of 41 cent chinese buck converters without any problems.
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[19:25] <chisight> mp1584en is the chip you want.
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[19:26] <lilfluf> i'll just uhm order the official psu maybe
[19:27] <chisight> you could do that too. i had plenty of bricks with enough wattage so the 41 cent route was cheap and easy. it's also a great way to recycle usb cables that the cat chewed up. i keep them less than 2 inches long so that total resistance is not much even with crappy cables.
[19:28] <chisight> when driving a 3 using a cable with really thin wires, heat can be an issue even if total resistance is low enough.
[19:31] <lilfluf> what's some nice rpi shop with humane eu wide delivery?
[19:32] <shauno> humane? I tend to use thepihut or pimoroni. as far as I know, neither use shipping options which were tested on animals?
[19:32] <chisight> stay away from RS, they use gerbils to delvier their pi.
[19:32] <lilfluf> yeah the shipping on rs costs more than the psu
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[19:33] <shauno> that'll happen in most of europe. problem here is that shops actually have to pay for shipping, it's not state-subsidised like china's e-post
[19:34] <chisight> us mail is revenue neutral (they have received low interest financing in the past) and is reasonably cheap for small parcels.
[19:34] <shauno> my solution is usually to keep adding more things to the order until I'm happy with the shipping:toy cost ratio. This is not always a sensible choice.
[19:34] <shauno> (but does explain why I have so many pi0)
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[19:36] <lilfluf> the pi hut is £4
[19:37] <shauno> yeah. that's about what I'm used to paying
[19:37] <lilfluf> i guess i might want another pi0 :s
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[19:38] <lilfluf> pimoroni ship to lithuania but not latvia (and it's £7.50), humph
[19:38] <lilfluf> ships*
[19:39] <saint_> hi all - anyone tried to program a CanBus interface with both arduino and raspberry to make tests, and ended up liking raspberry better ?
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[19:43] <lilfluf> ..might as well get a heatsink
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[20:05] <lilfluf> ..just ordered £30 worth of stuff
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[20:07] * IT_Sean sticks a bunch of heatsinks to lilfluf
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[20:09] <lilfluf> hey i got the overheat warning icon!
[20:09] <IT_Sean> That's no excuse.
[20:10] * lilfluf embraces the heatsinks
[20:10] <lilfluf> i don't care, i'm way to cool for that
[20:17] <futurejonez> i water cool my pi zero
[20:17] <futurejonez> problem?
[20:17] <Lartza> Mine is soaked in mineral oil
[20:19] <futurejonez> :<>
[20:19] * IT_Sean looks around
[20:19] <futurejonez> working a new project rn
[20:20] <IT_Sean> I'm surrounded by nerds!
[20:20] <futurejonez> using the pi zero to try and make a smart vape
[20:20] <futurejonez> anyone interested in buying one should hmu
[20:20] <IT_Sean> there is nothing smart about vaping.
[20:20] <futurejonez> /satire
[20:20] <Lartza> Weren't vapes a 2017 thing
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[20:20] <futurejonez> the market for them is still huge lol
[20:20] <futurejonez> i was jk, but to make a gallon of ecig juice costs like 20$ and u can sell little 15$ container of the juice
[20:20] <Lartza> also my mineral oil was totally /s too, I don't even have a heatsink on mine
[20:20] <futurejonez> granted it tastes good, etc
[20:21] <futurejonez> i got the heatsink case from c4labs for my pizero
[20:21] <futurejonez> https://c4labs.net/products/copy-of-zebra-zero-raspberry-pi-zero-case-type-2-black-ice-with-heatsink
[20:21] <futurejonez> quite cheap and compact. i like it
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[20:21] <futurejonez> comes with an extra top incase you have the pi zero or pi zero w
[20:22] <Lartza> wood and plastic are not heatsinks
[20:22] <Lartza> :P
[20:22] <futurejonez> theres literally a heat sink in the picture buddy
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[20:22] <futurejonez> anyways, anyone have experience powering/connecting to their pi over USB?
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[20:23] <Lartza> Zero I assume?
[20:23] <futurejonez> yeah
[20:23] <Lartza> That should kind of just work(tm)
[20:23] <Lartza> Even SSH if you install Bonjour on Windows or avahi on linux iirc
[20:23] <Lartza> then use hostname.local to connect
[20:23] <futurejonez> i figured if its a local pi i use, why ssh into it and have ports opened, when i could just connect to it with putty and usb power
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[20:23] <futurejonez> ah ok, so whatever host i set + .local
[20:24] <futurejonez> i was wondering why eveyr guide said raspberrypi.local always
[20:24] <Lartza> That's how zeroconf works
[20:24] <Lartza> hostname of computer + .local
[20:24] <futurejonez> for the longest time i was using my pi zero as my main computer, just got a new laptop and i was gonna put arch on it but
[20:24] <futurejonez> i figured why not just keep using my pi zero and just usb connect to it
[20:24] <futurejonez> less hassel
[20:24] <IT_Sean> oh man... I couldn't survive with a Pi as my only PC.
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[20:25] <Lartza> I barely survive with my current 2013 i7 :P
[20:25] <futurejonez> i have horrible luck with computers for some reason. trying to adapt to strictly getting used to using 5$ and 35$ computers
[20:25] <futurejonez> IT_Sean: you think thats bad, get this. i dont even use a gui. no x display or anything
[20:25] <Lartza> Computers or laptops?
[20:25] <IT_Sean> (O_O)
[20:25] <futurejonez> its for programming, pentesting, and irc chatting
[20:25] <Lartza> Horrible luck that is
[20:25] <futurejonez> which is what 75% of my internetting is
[20:25] <futurejonez> Lartza: laptops
[20:25] <futurejonez> havent had a desktop in yonks tbh
[20:25] <Lartza> Don't tell me it's HP or Apple too
[20:26] * IT_Sean tests all of futurejonez's pens, sends him an invoice for pen-testing
[20:26] <futurejonez> nah i got an asus netbook
[20:26] <Lartza> Because if it it's, there's your problem
[20:26] <futurejonez> i love the shit out of netbooks. idk why they turned into shit lately tho
[20:26] <Lartza> Or well, reason for your bad luck
[20:26] <futurejonez> most netbooks u find are like 64gb ssd 1gb ram
[20:26] <Creyon> hey anyone know where to buy some counterfeit supreme gear?
[20:26] <Lartza> Language, they were always bad
[20:26] <Creyon> not pi related, sorry.
[20:26] <futurejonez> this one is 4gb ram, quad core cpu, 500gb ssd. thats solid.
[20:27] <Lartza> 4GB of RAM can't even run Chrome nowadays
[20:27] <futurejonez> Creyon: dark net maybe but i dont see counterfeit fasion as a high demand thing for criminals on the net tbh
[20:27] <futurejonez> maybe somewhere in NY lol..
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[20:27] <futurejonez> Lartza: idk where u got that from. im using windows 10 jst fine.
[20:27] <Lartza> Creyon, Why would this be the right channel for that ever...
[20:27] <Creyon> mans at wits end
[20:27] <Lartza> Buying illegal wares not related to RPi
[20:27] <futurejonez> hes lost.
[20:27] <Creyon> this stuff isnt readily advertised
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[20:27] <Creyon> sometimes you got to cast a reel to catch a fish
[20:27] <futurejonez> Creyon: buy cryptocurrency if you are trying to make money. youll see a better return than flipping fake fasion
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[20:28] <Creyon> not trying to flip it, trying to wear it.
[20:28] <Lartza> futurejonez, Windows 10 is lighter than Chrome :P
[20:28] <futurejonez> thats....insane lol
[20:28] <futurejonez> i dont know if i beleive that
[20:28] <futurejonez> isnt the chrome os very minimal
[20:28] <futurejonez> like a web browser and email and thats it or something
[20:29] <futurejonez> thats why chromebooks are so cheap
[20:29] <Lartza> I meant the browser, no the OS
[20:29] <Lartza> *not
[20:29] <futurejonez> oh what lol
[20:29] <Lartza> Although they are related
[20:29] <futurejonez> yeah chrome browser sucks
[20:29] <futurejonez> firefox for lyfe
[20:29] <Lartza> Eh
[20:29] <jelly> all modern browsers are heavy
[20:29] <Lartza> Webextensions lack apis from Chrome, otherwise I'd probably use FF too
[20:29] <Lartza> Maybe in a few years when addons get great again
[20:30] <futurejonez> thing about firefox i like is its about:config
[20:30] <Lartza> jelly, Modern web is heavy :(
[20:30] <futurejonez> by default ff can be heavy
[20:30] <futurejonez> but it can be tweaked
[20:30] <futurejonez> to be lighter
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[20:30] <futurejonez> modern web is gonna rip in the next few years with all this decntralized crypto anarchy going on
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[20:30] <Lartza> lol
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[20:36] <jelly> futurejonez: you're a funny one arentcha
[20:36] <futurejonez> i guess?
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[21:23] <t0m> has anyone ever run into ssh/USB issues? I've done headless setups on pi zeros and never have been able to ssh pi@raspberry.local
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[21:24] <binaryhermit> did you put the file in the boot partition to enable ssh?
[21:24] <squirrel> those hostnames are never reliable
[21:24] <Lartza> squirrel, You're not reliable
[21:24] <Lartza> t0m, Windows or Linux client?
[21:24] <squirrel> ouch
[21:25] <Lartza> ;)
[21:25] <binaryhermit> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1747/starting-ssh-automatically-at-boot-time
[21:25] <alphawarrior> t0m: you're better off using the ip instead of raspberry.local
[21:25] <t0m> linux
[21:26] <t0m> where i'm at (coding camp) isn't too fond of my plugging the pi in
[21:26] <Lartza> Is avahi running?
[21:26] <Lartza> and working
[21:26] <t0m> no
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[21:26] <Lartza> Well there's your problem
[21:26] <squirrel> why'd coding camps oppose the pis
[21:26] <Lartza> It can't magically discover the address without a magic service :P
[21:26] <t0m> they are really mac heavy here
[21:26] <t0m> and don't beleive you can do anything on anything else
[21:27] <t0m> so i want to show them the f up
[21:27] <squirrel> what a squirrely coding camp
[21:27] <t0m> i'll google the avahi (first time seeing that) but when i plug the pi in after changing the cmdlin and config files
[21:28] <t0m> the cmdline text cuts off the text after rootwait
[21:28] <t0m> i'm usually apt to believe that
[21:28] <t0m> is user error
[21:28] <Lartza> t0m, The .local addresses work via zeroconf, and you need a service (Bonjour on Windows and avahi on linux) to do the magic. Avahi is usually installed though afaik, Bonjour of course isn't
[21:29] <t0m> okay, could that be the reason why the cmdline file truncates itself
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[21:36] <t0m> sorry guys other easy question. so i installed the magic
[21:36] <t0m> i haven't tried anything yet (secretly piecing the pi together under my desk_running this all in tmux)
[21:36] <t0m> do i just plug and ssh in?
[21:40] <ShorTie> if you made the ssh file, ya, it should work
[21:41] <t0m> much appreciated, switching sessions i'll let you guys know how it goes
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[21:45] <t0m> hey my ssh didn't work, my cmdline file looked like this `dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait modules-load=dwc2,g_ether quiet init=/usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh` but now looks like `dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline
[21:45] <t0m> fsck.repair=yes rootwait modules-load=dwc2,g_ether ` i tried checking for unix line breaks. any ideas
[21:46] <t0m> holy avahi
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[22:28] <Rukus> bobstro, what kind of stuff might i miss out on?
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[22:41] <shauno> are you sure it's actually truncating? it looks like it's just taking init=blahblah out after the resize operation has complete (this is normal, and should happen during the first boot)
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[22:52] <Encrypt> Hello guys o/
[22:52] <Encrypt> Do you have any good small LCD screen to recommend for the Raspberry Pi, to use with Home Assistant?
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[23:02] <blkhawk> lo
[23:03] <blkhawk> looking for somebody having some experience with hdmi_timings and how the pickel clock is calculated
[23:04] <blkhawk> I am trying to get a ipad display to work reliably and I am just poling into the dark with just changing settings randomly currently
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[23:05] <blkhawk> i can get a stable picture with either a long cable and or a rasperry pi model b (the really old one)
[23:05] <blkhawk> but i have troubkle with a pi zero as well as a pi 3
[23:05] <blkhawk> a long cable is really inconvenient for a on-display mounted pi
[23:06] <blkhawk> anyway I tried all the usual stuff with hdmi boos and i am convinced that the timings are to blame for my spotty results
[23:06] <Habbie> so a long cable works but a short cable does not?
[23:07] <blkhawk> now i am unsure how the picel clock value is generated
[23:07] <blkhawk> yes
[23:07] <Habbie> interesting
[23:07] <blkhawk> within reason
[23:07] <Habbie> i have no clue about any of this
[23:07] <Habbie> but
[23:07] <Habbie> might the short cable just be broken?
[23:07] <blkhawk> a longer high quiality cable works worse than a really cheap mid-range one(2 meters)
[23:07] <blkhawk> that came as a freebie with a cheap monitor
[23:08] <blkhawk> Habbie: maybe - since i have literraly 4 of everything i doubt that
[23:08] <blkhawk> well of some paerts i have only three if i am honest
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[23:09] <blkhawk> and i spend the last few days running lists of cable combinations and results
[23:09] <blkhawk> the only clear result is longer cables seem to be better
[23:09] <blkhawk> and higher quality "thicker" cables are worst
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[23:10] <blkhawk> its almost like its an reflection issue
[23:10] <blkhawk> my working hypotesis is that its marginal and the worse cable signal degregation punts it just into working
[23:11] <blkhawk> hence my poking at the timings
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[23:11] <Habbie> i can see how you got to that idea
[23:11] <blkhawk> the naive hdmi_cvt 2048 1536 60 1 0 0 0 results do not work at all
[23:11] <blkhawk> I even tried negative numbers with the boost ;)
[23:11] <blkhawk> sadlythey are just tuned to positive
[23:12] <blkhawk> its frustrating - this screen would be the perfect portable screen with integrated emustation
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[23:13] <blkhawk> but i do not want to lug a 5meter hdmi cable
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[23:13] <Habbie> blkhawk, just out of interest, would there be touch?
[23:13] <blkhawk> no
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[23:13] <blkhawk> no digitizer on this
[23:13] <Habbie> oh, right
[23:13] <Habbie> just the panel
[23:13] <blkhawk> but ipad screens are relatively cheap
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[23:13] <Habbie> and apparently, they are hdmi
[23:13] <blkhawk> I got an adapter from a guy in japan
[23:13] <blkhawk> no
[23:14] <blkhawk> they are dvi
[23:14] <Habbie> ah
[23:14] <Habbie> oh dvi is close enough
[23:14] <Habbie> passive adapter then
[23:14] <Habbie> maybe the adapter is low quality?
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[23:14] <blkhawk> erm sorry - its late
[23:14] <blkhawk> displayport i meant
[23:14] <Habbie> oh not close enough
[23:14] <Habbie> but, alright
[23:14] <blkhawk> but the guy had a displayport for a long time
[23:14] <blkhawk> and just released an adaptzer using a stdp2600 converter chip
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[23:15] <blkhawk> from the datasheet the chip seems to mostly do some level conversion
[23:15] <blkhawk> so i have to supoply the right timings for this to work
[23:16] <blkhawk> anyway I grabbed the exaples of people already using screens with similar resolution
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[23:16] <blkhawk> some work reasonably well
[23:17] <blkhawk> however the numbers are just numbers to me and i suspect the picelclock need to fit the other numbers
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[23:17] <blkhawk> so i want to be able to at least calculate that so I can eliminate that from testing
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[23:18] <blkhawk> hence my coming here making noise ;)
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[23:19] <blkhawk> the best thing is the board is controllable via serial
[23:20] <Habbie> i doubt dp/hdmi conversion is just level conversion
[23:20] <Habbie> but i could be wrong
[23:20] <Habbie> oh that is neat
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[23:20] <blkhawk> yes
[23:20] <blkhawk> http://abusemark.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=58
[23:20] <blkhawk> here
[23:20] <blkhawk> in case you want to take the plunge
[23:20] <Habbie> so the problem would be between the pi and this board i think?
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[23:21] <Habbie> apparently firmware updates to the board are possible, did you look into that?
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[23:21] <blkhawk> not quite
[23:21] <blkhawk> you see the panel knows only 1 mode
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[23:21] <blkhawk> this was already somewhat of an issue in displayport mode
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[23:22] <Habbie> i'm confused how displayport fits into the picture
[23:22] <blkhawk> ah
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[23:22] <blkhawk> the panel is displayport
[23:22] <blkhawk> natively
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[23:22] <blkhawk> as in to the Chip-on-glass
[23:22] <Habbie> i can tell from the way lower price of the displayport to panel adapter
[23:22] <blkhawk> solder a cable to it
[23:22] <blkhawk> plug into a pc
[23:23] <blkhawk> works
[23:23] <blkhawk> within reason
[23:23] <Habbie> ack
[23:23] <blkhawk> to make hdmio work with it you need a signal converter (thats what the stdp2600 does)
[23:24] <Habbie> the dp to panel adapter has 1/3rd the power draw as well
[23:24] <blkhawk> yes
[23:24] <blkhawk> tho its not quite as dramatic
[23:24] <blkhawk> a RPI3 will draw more
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[23:25] <blkhawk> hmmm
[23:26] <blkhawk> I could just try to enter the timings from a few of the datasheets i found
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[23:27] <Habbie> :)
[23:27] <blkhawk> still i have to guess the pixel clock
[23:27] <blkhawk> I hate that
[23:27] <bobstro> Rukus: (sorry for delay). It uses dropbear for a lot of utilities, for one. I much prefer the configurability of openssh. the lack of manpages is what finally put me over the edge, and i went back to raspbian lite.
[23:27] <blkhawk> when i had a stable pic and screwed with it the picture got distorted then went away fast
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[23:29] <Rukus> bobstro, is dropbear risky or something? ore personal pref?
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