#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-20

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[1:48] <BillD73> so Iw as looking at some of the stuff, its getting old. I have in my kids play room a rasp pi 1 model b, only 2 usb ports and a spare rasp 1 model b also only 2 usb ports. I'm thinking its not going to be a suitable setup sinceir little tv only has 1 hdmi port and the numerou items that would be needed to set oth up.. wifi, joysticks keyboards etc I may pick up a pi 2 or 3 and attempt it at a later time
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[1:49] <BillD73> of course their current model 1 pi has their wifi and a external hdd with their collection of "videos"
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[4:35] <bobstro> Rukus: not to slight busybox. it's used all over the place, but it's not the standard openssh that's referenced in most docs.
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[4:36] <bobstro> it's great for really constrained systems.
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[4:38] <bobstro> there were some other programs that i'm used to having about that i had to install, so by the time i had my "usual" configuration going, it was really starting to look like raspbian lite.
[4:40] <bobstro> the difference in memory was something like 10-30 MB IIRC, so no real performance impact. the difference on disk was significant, something like 1 GB, but again, i wound up installing/replacing at lot of things to the point it wasn't such a big difference in the end.
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[4:44] <mk-fg> "not to slight busybox" <-- isn't dropbear being entirely separate and unrelated project?
[4:45] <bobstro> wups - sorry. yes
[4:45] <bobstro> not to slight dropbear.
[4:45] <bobstro> (don't recall if dietpi used busybox atm)
[4:45] <bobstro> (think not, but not 100% sure)
[4:46] <bobstro> probably a case of try it and see if it pushes your buttons, just noting that some things are missing that might be expected.
[4:46] <realies> can you enable the camera with a terminal command instead of using the graphical menu?
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[5:00] <realies> [ ! $(grep "start_x" /boot/config.txt) ] && echo -e "\n# Enable camera\nstart_x=1" >> /boot/config.txt
[5:00] <realies> hope this is sufficient
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[5:07] <realies> [ ! $(grep "start_x" /boot/config.txt) ] && echo -e "\n# Enable camera\nstart_x=1" >> /boot/config.txt || sed -i "/start_x/cstart_x=1" >> /boot/config.txt
[5:08] <realies> maybe a bit better
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[5:17] <Maai> hihi
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[5:28] <Rukus> bobstro, I only need the pi to download linux iso torrents to a NAS
[5:29] <Rukus> so maybe dietpi would be a good simple setup for me
[5:29] <Rukus> but ideally, i should setup raspbian lite... headless
[5:31] <redrabbit> lollol linux iso
[5:32] <redrabbit> btw, rtorrent-ps or nothing
[5:32] <redrabbit> raspbian lite... headless > yes
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[5:33] <bobstro> just give it a try and see what works best for you. in the end, very little difference for me, so i've stuck with raspbian lite
[5:34] <bobstro> i want my manpages when i get stuck!
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[5:35] <redrabbit> raspbian lite, stick with what works
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[5:35] <redrabbit> i have used debian for decades now
[5:35] <redrabbit> does a solid job
[5:35] <bobstro> one plus for dietpi is its support for other boards. if you're going outside the raspberry pi family, that might be a consideration
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[5:36] <redrabbit> i use armbian on the orange pizero
[5:36] <redrabbit> it supports a lot of boards
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[5:36] <bobstro> armbian's great too, but dietpi is "the same" on all boards, so there's consistency going for it on that point.
[5:37] <bobstro> all are debian, dietpi just packages things up a bit differently.
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[5:38] <redrabbit> ah they have imgs for the orange pis
[5:38] <redrabbit> nice
[5:38] <redrabbit> ill give them a shot
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[5:40] <xs2> orange pi has nothing to do with raspberry, right?
[5:40] <Maai> redrabbit: if you could choose the next best linux distrobution, what would be close second?
[5:41] <redrabbit> its arm
[5:41] <xs2> I'm asking it's not the same company, is i
[5:41] <redrabbit> Maai: can't tell
[5:41] <bobstro> orangepi is a very simlar board (as are many others)
[5:41] <xs2> t
[5:41] <redrabbit> i go for debian based on everything
[5:41] <xs2> also what's the best board out there
[5:41] <xs2> is it raspberry?
[5:41] <bobstro> definitely different companies
[5:41] <bobstro> not rpi
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[5:41] <redrabbit> i used/tried other dists, not my cup of tea
[5:42] <bobstro> "cheap chinese knockoffs" if you will.
[5:42] <xs2> yea
[5:42] <xs2> ew
[5:42] <bobstro> some decent boards, but nowhere near the support of RPi.
[5:42] <redrabbit> yeah they are cheap though
[5:42] <redrabbit> that's the main point
[5:42] <xs2> I currently have RPi 3 B, it's nice, are there any other computers worth looking at?
[5:42] <bobstro> was surprised dietpi has a rock64 debian build, while armbian doesn't
[5:42] <redrabbit> they work great for networking stuff
[5:42] <Maai> my second place is SUSE
[5:43] <bobstro> what do you want to do? for headless, some of the other boards are fine and some even have advantages
[5:43] <bobstro> rock64 with USB3 and GBE is a nice NAS or file server
[5:43] <redrabbit> atm im looking for an arm board with battery management
[5:43] <redrabbit> that is tiny and cheap
[5:43] <bobstro> have only seen battery as add-ons so far
[5:44] <redrabbit> but i may get a cheap battery powered router and put LEDE on it
[5:44] <xs2> bobstro: like a little fileserver perhaps which I ssh into, nothing much
[5:44] <bobstro> there are ESP8266 with built-in 18650.
[5:44] <xs2> but looking for inspiration as well
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[5:44] <xs2> :-)
[5:44] <redrabbit> i have too much esp modules
[5:44] <xs2> (it'd have external hdd plugged into it)
[5:44] <redrabbit> but they wont cut it for VPN tunneling
[5:44] <bobstro> yes, they'd be ideal for that. orangepi has reputation for running hot, although i think they've improved. nanopi provide some sexy heatsinks.
[5:45] <redrabbit> orange pi dont run hot if you configure the freq properly
[5:45] <xs2> I currently have RPi 3 B doing the job
[5:45] <redrabbit> i underclock them usually
[5:45] <bobstro> if you have a USB3 enclosure for the drive, look into rock64
[5:45] <redrabbit> they have lots of power
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[5:45] <bobstro> most other boards with USB3 are more expensive
[5:45] <xs2> huh this was an ordinary HDD ripped from other computer and I only got the case on aliexpress
[5:45] <xs2> not sure whether it's USB 3
[5:46] <LikeABox> pi-hole has a fancy new gui
[5:46] <bobstro> what color is end that plugs into the hub/computer?
[5:46] <redrabbit> id rather get something with sata
[5:46] <redrabbit> for hdd
[5:46] <bobstro> blue or not-blue?
[5:46] <bobstro> haven't found a cheap board with sata yet.
[5:46] <xs2> it's white
[5:46] <bobstro> white is USB2 (usually)
[5:47] <bobstro> so won't matter if RPi or other board. if you get a USB3 adapter, it matters.
[5:47] <redrabbit> i got a mini atx board for my nas
[5:47] <xs2> I have like a piece of cable
[5:47] <xs2> it's like an accessory for usb 3
[5:47] <xs2> it's usb 3.0gigabit ethernet
[5:47] <xs2> does that help?
[5:48] <bobstro> usb3 gigabit on usb2 ports will run a *bit* faster
[5:48] <bobstro> not much
[5:48] <bobstro> erm... well, it depends.
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[5:48] <bobstro> they *can* run fast if you're sure to use good cat 6 cables and configure things correctly.
[5:48] <bobstro> but you won't get gigabit speeds out of it.
[5:48] <xs2> yea
[5:49] <xs2> I'm still learning stuff
[5:49] <xs2> so I don't feel like I'd be able to do that 100% correctly
[5:49] <bobstro> i'd suggest go with what you have, if it seems slow, just know there are alternatives out there.
[5:49] <bobstro> you can always use *another* board, right?
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[5:50] <xs2> sure
[5:50] <xs2> do you reckon this market is yet to be developed
[5:50] <xs2> will we be seeing more single board computers over the years?
[5:50] <bobstro> what market do you mean?
[5:50] <bobstro> oh definitely.
[5:50] <xs2> nice
[5:50] <bobstro> not for everything, but for lots of things. i mean, you have a bunch at home already most likely.
[5:50] * xs2 has a dream of having a 100 members fleet of single board computers :-)
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[5:51] <bobstro> well, it can get silly. it takes a lot of RPis to equate to same computing power as a reasonable desktop.
[5:51] <xs2> is it technically possible to get, say, 10 RPi's and employ them to do one job? like distributed systems
[5:51] <bobstro> but they are cheap and damn-near disposable.
[5:52] <bobstro> "sort of". you can *build* a cluster with them, and it's OK for learning about clusters,but it's pretty crude as far as clusters go. you can't just cobble them together to make a super desktop though.
[5:52] <xs2> yea I see
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[5:52] <xs2> but I'd notice something, right?
[5:52] <bobstro> way to think about RPi is that it's good for lots of places where computers were too expensive in the past.
[5:52] <xs2> I mean, the difference or whatevs :-) perhaps slight improvement
[5:52] <bobstro> it's not good for replacing expensive computers.
[5:53] <bobstro> no, it simply won't work like that. 2 X RPi doesn't give you a super RPi.
[5:53] <xs2> this is more for 'theory' and 'grins' rather than doing things 'as per practice'
[5:53] <xs2> well that was my question
[5:53] <xs2> for example, if you were to crack a password, and it takes 10 minutes
[5:53] <bobstro> well, if "theory" you want to learn includes clusters, yes, it can be done. probably not worth it for much else.
[5:54] <xs2> can you employ more Pi's to crack the password in a minute?
[5:54] <bobstro> crypto and cracking you want something else.
[5:54] <xs2> it's just an example
[5:54] <xs2> could be any task
[5:54] <bobstro> you *can* yes. you can use a moped as a snowmobile too.
[5:54] <xs2> copying a file
[5:54] <xs2> whatevs
[5:54] <bobstro> file servers, little web & database servers, they're ok
[5:55] <bobstro> they've got a niche for media servers and emulation
[5:55] <bobstro> but low cost is the main attraction
[5:55] <xs2> what about two ordinary laptops, same question, yes?
[5:55] <xs2> is it more doable/viable?
[5:56] <xs2> what's real clustering even done with/
[5:56] <bobstro> building a cluster you mean, or what?
[5:56] <bobstro> not an expert, but "big" clusters run specialized stuff. there are "beowulf" clusters (probably newer term) made with commodity hardware.
[5:56] <bobstro> i know they've built clusters using playstations.
[5:58] <xs2> hhe
[5:58] <xs2> heh
[5:58] <bobstro> think of the rpi and similar boards as legos. great for tinkering with things. you don't want to bulid a car with 'em.
[5:58] <xs2> nice
[5:58] <xs2> yes of course
[5:58] <bobstro> well... not if you're driving on the autobahn anyhow.
[5:59] <bobstro> mythbusters doesn't count
[5:59] <xs2> it's fascinating though
[5:59] <xs2> such a little thing
[5:59] <xs2> behaving the same way as its older brothers
[5:59] <xs2> :-)
[5:59] <bobstro> oh very, especially if you've come from the world of needing a $2,000 computer to do anything "serious".
[5:59] <xs2> exactly
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[6:00] <bobstro> the big plus is that, using linux, they also run the *same software* that powers most of the internet
[6:00] <bobstro> so anything you learn is usable on bigger systems, for the most part.
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[6:01] <bobstro> back to redrabbit's point: stuff you learn on a debain system now will still be largely useful in another 10+ years. not how it used to be.
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[6:32] <xs2> are there plans to release a new RPi model?
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[6:35] <Rukus> cool I've just learned a lot
[6:36] <Rukus> I'll stick to Raspbian lite with rtorrent-ps
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[6:47] <bobstro> xs2: the rpi foundation says not before 2019, and they're emphasizing the price marks over performance. that's it officially so far as i know.
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[6:54] <Maai> my goal was to print out what activity my ACT light was processing
[6:54] <Maai> i _still_ have not got there. that was 1.5 months ago.
[6:55] <Maai> i got to systemd, iotop
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[7:00] <Maai> wondered what c code was grabbing device blocks
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[7:00] <Maai> then floated to assembly code
[7:01] <Maai> then to how raspi CPU logic gate transistors work
[7:01] <Maai> printing ACT activity was .hard.
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[7:11] <Crom> hmmm, gotta get my 7" screens working..
[7:11] <blkhawk> Hi, I am trying to get a ipad screen to work reliably with a rpi and I am having some troube with getting it to work with very short cables
[7:12] <blkhawk> I was wondering is there was a way to negatively boost the signal
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[7:14] <blkhawk> or how the pixel clock in hdmi timings is calculated since I want to try to fiddle with the timings a bit and changing the pixel clock gets me garbage on screen faster than it should based on the datasheets i have
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[7:20] <Hitechcg> blkhawk: you're probably more likely to get help by posting on the forums
[7:21] <blkhawk> well I can always try everwhere ;)
[7:21] <blkhawk> I really just wanted to know how the pixel clockis calculated
[7:22] <Hitechcg> unfortunately I have no clue how to help you
[7:22] <blkhawk> ah well sdo you know if the vcgencmd source is availible somewhere?
[7:22] <Hitechcg> nope
[7:22] <Hitechcg> :(
[7:22] <blkhawk> hmmm
[7:23] <blkhawk> looks like its on github ;)
[7:23] <blkhawk> hmmm only the headers
[7:24] <blkhawk> looks like its closed source
[7:24] <blkhawk> drat
[7:24] <Hitechcg> yeah, all the GPU stuff is closed-source
[7:25] <Hitechcg> sucks for the people running 64-bit Gentoo too, because there's no 64-bit version of vcgencmd
[7:26] <Hitechcg> but all the engineers hang out on the forums, and they usually answer questions
[7:26] <blkhawk> ya - I will try that later
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[7:48] <Maai> ipad pixel clock garbage output? sounds sweeeeeet
[7:53] <ali1234> blkhawk: pixel clock stuff here https://github.com/ali1234/raspi-teletext/blob/master/tvctl.c
[7:53] <ali1234> (raw registers)
[7:55] <ali1234> there are three pixel valves but they all have the same registers
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[8:50] <grokking> beep boop
[8:50] <grokking> so i got my pi recently and i love it!
[8:51] <grokking> trying to get access to it from wherever
[8:51] <grokking> but i'm on a college network - can't port forward beause it's not my router
[8:51] <grokking> how did y'all get access to a pi outside an internal network?
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[8:57] <Willd> grokking: Do you have another server on the outside?
[8:57] <grokking> no, but i can get one if necessary
[8:57] <grokking> i'd rather not, tbh
[8:58] <Willd> That makes it a tad harder :)
[8:58] <grokking> i'm guessing you're recommending reverse-ssh?
[8:58] <Willd> grokking: That, or a vpn
[8:59] <grokking> yeah, i was trying to set up weaved but i couldn't get it to work
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[9:00] <grokking> should i get a digital ocean droplet?
[9:00] <grokking> i want to be able to control more than one pi
[9:00] <grokking> what would you recommend in that case?
[9:00] <Willd> grokking: They are cheap and easy to use
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[9:01] <Hitechcg> if you want to be able to access it from anywhere, you need at least one external IP you can use
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[9:02] <Hitechcg> if you pay for an internet connection with an ISP, you could run a Pi behind that and reverse-ssh to that
[9:02] <Hitechcg> otherwise, the best option is probably a VPS
[9:02] <grokking> Hitechcg: i'd much rather have the ability to let other people ssh into if necessary
[9:03] <grokking> reverse-ssh is the worst option in my book
[9:03] <Hitechcg> you could still make that work with one VPS: ssh -fNT -R 2122:*:22
[9:03] <grokking> VPS?
[9:03] <grokking> a virtual private sever?
[9:03] <grokking> server*?
[9:03] <Hitechcg> yes, like DigitalOcean
[9:04] <Hitechcg> anyways, if I thought this through correctly, that would make port 2122 on the VPS ssh to your Pi
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[9:04] <Hitechcg> assuming your Pi has ssh listening on port 22 but is firewalled
[9:05] <grokking> hmmm, but part of the point of getting a pi was making a storage device that i didn't have to pay a monthly subscription for :|
[9:05] <Hitechcg> no wait I messed up
[9:06] <Willd> grokking: And you can't talk to the campus sysadmins and see if you can be let through?
[9:06] <grokking> what about duckdns?
[9:06] <Hitechcg> grokking: unfortunately there is no easy way to get access to the Pi externally if you don't have control of an Internet connection
[9:07] <grokking> Willd: they're pricks to most students who come in with interesting requests
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[9:07] <Willd> grokking: What about duckdns?
[9:07] <Hitechcg> you need control of an IP somehow, at least to forward one port
[9:07] <grokking> that's what i was going to type!
[9:07] <grokking> need to port forward
[9:07] <Willd> duckdns doesn't seem to do that
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[9:09] <grokking> Willd: tried it but didn't work :(
[9:09] <grokking> could ssh directly through public ip address but not duckdns
[9:09] <Willd> grokking: You are out of luck then.
[9:09] <Hitechcg> I was almost right: the ssh command you'd want is ssh -fNTR *:2122:localhost:22
[9:10] <grokking> thinking of using free tier amazon services
[9:10] <Hitechcg> you might need to add 'GatewayPorts clientspecified' to /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
[9:10] <grokking> so my ip address hasn't really changed, i'm doing this in case it changes
[9:10] <Hitechcg> but once you run that, SSHing to the server on port 2122 will actually SSH to the Pi
[9:10] <Willd> grokking: That'll cost you more than a DO VPS in the end
[9:11] <Willd> If you are intending to stream from it, that is
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[9:11] <Hitechcg> grokking: btw Google is giving away a ridiculously-underpowered Compute Engine tier that's Free Forever(*)
[9:11] <Hitechcg> *subject to change
[9:12] <Willd> Hitechcg: How much bandwith/month?
[9:12] <Hitechcg> it's capped at like 2GB egress/month I think :(
[9:12] <Hitechcg> also, 0.2 of a CPU
[9:12] <Willd> grokking: If you are a student, you can apply for the student developer pack at github
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[9:13] <Willd> They give out something like $50 credit at DO
[9:13] <Willd> grokking: https://education.github.com/pack
[9:13] <Hitechcg> which is still less than a year
[9:13] <grokking> Willd: :) yeah, that's what an irl friend recommended.
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[9:15] <grokking> actually, anyone here mess with duckdns?
[9:15] <grokking> so when i did it, i got no output at all
[9:15] <grokking> no OK or KO
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[9:16] <grokking> any idea why that happened?
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[9:18] <Hitechcg> btw Scaleway sells bare-metal ARM servers for cheap https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/
[9:18] <Hitechcg> less than DigitalOcean, but it's in euros
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[9:19] <grokking> nah, don't mind the euros part
[9:19] <grokking> if i have maybe a few actual connections in a month, would it be worth it?
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[9:20] <grokking> Willd: could you help me out with duckdns?
[9:20] <Hitechcg> probably if you need to get to the Pi from whereever
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[9:20] <Willd> grokking: Never used it, so probably not :)
[9:20] <Hitechcg> grokking: how are you using it? this page? https://www.duckdns.org/install.jsp
[9:21] <grokking> Hitechcg: yeah, using that. registered a subdomain and followed their instructions
[9:21] <Hitechcg> what's in ~/duckdns/duck.log?
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[9:21] <grokking> nothing :|
[9:22] <grokking> curl is doing something
[9:22] <grokking> it's connected to the internet (pinging websites work)
[9:22] <Hitechcg> did you change exampledomain to whatever?
[9:22] <grokking> yeah :)
[9:23] <Hitechcg> idk if you need to change the IP or token too, never used them
[9:23] <grokking> echo url="https://www.duckdns.org/update?domains=grokkingnull&token=*********&ip=" | curl -k -o ~/duckdns/duck.log -K -
[9:23] <grokking> wait a sec
[9:23] <grokking> ip?
[9:23] <grokking> Hitechcg: should the ip= be filled in?
[9:24] <Hitechcg> dunno
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[9:24] <grokking> you can if you need to hard code an IP (best not to - leave it blank and we detect your remote ip)
[9:24] <Hitechcg> but you can get your current public IP with 'curl -s http://api.ipify.org'
[9:24] <grokking> doesn't require it
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[9:25] <Hitechcg> oh, like I said I've never used them
[9:25] <grokking> wtf, it worked now
[9:25] <grokking> :||||
[9:25] <Hitechcg> are you using your full domain, or just the first part?
[9:25] <grokking> no, it's legit working now
[9:25] <Hitechcg> nvm
[9:26] <grokking> huh
[9:26] <grokking> guess i must have screwed up earlier
[9:27] <grokking> thanks Hitechcg & Willd
[9:27] <grokking> hope i didn't waste your time
[9:27] <Hitechcg> btw take a look at Compute Engine: https://cloud.google.com/compute/pricing
[9:27] <Hitechcg> it would probably be good enough for your needs
[9:28] <Hitechcg> unless you plan on uploading much of anything from it
[9:28] <Hitechcg> because 1GB/month is SHIT
[9:29] <Hitechcg> for just ssh it should be fine though
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[9:29] <Willd> Hitechcg: Didn't sound like just ssh :p
[9:30] <grokking> yeah, was planning on using it as a file server & irc bouncer
[9:30] <grokking> giving my roommates a bit of space & scripts to run (twilio stuff)
[9:31] <grokking> 1GB/month is definitely not enough :)
[9:32] <grokking> but i got it working and it now proudly sits in front of my monitor :D
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[9:32] <Hitechcg> for just ZNC I've used 158 MiB inbound and 138 MiB outbound over the course of a month
[9:34] <Hitechcg> but if your roommates are on the same network as the Pi, you don't really need to send the traffic externally
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[9:35] <grokking> perhaps. but i travel a lot. need to keep that in mind to avoid massive bills :|
[9:35] <Hitechcg> IRC bouncer would run fine on the Pi itself too, although accessing it from outside the campus network is trickier
[9:36] <grokking> why would accessing it outside the network be harder?
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[9:36] <Hitechcg> because you can't forward ports and you're likely behind a NAT
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[9:36] <Hitechcg> meaning the Pi can connect outbound to IRC just fine
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[9:37] <Hitechcg> but if you're anywhere outside campus, you can't connect to it
[9:39] <grokking> but i'm using the static url from duckdns?
[9:39] <grokking> it's a public address
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[9:39] <grokking> oh i see what you mean
[9:40] <grokking> effectively, i'll need to reverse-ssh if i'm ever outside campus
[9:40] <Hitechcg> yes
[9:40] <Hitechcg> actually, I have an idea
[9:40] <grokking> if it over here blocks incoming connections. good call!
[9:40] <Hitechcg> does your campus support IPv6?
[9:40] <grokking> yeah!
[9:40] <Hitechcg> do you know if it's firewalled?
[9:41] <grokking> dunno but almost definitely
[9:41] <grokking> never ran into a situation with it yet.
[9:41] <Hitechcg> if it is, it would probably be a lot easier to get the sysadmins to make an exception for IPv6
[9:42] <grokking> damn.
[9:43] <grokking> guess i'll have to talk to them after all.
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[9:44] <Hitechcg> grokking: is your Pi listening via ssh?
[9:44] <grokking> yeah.
[9:44] <grokking> messing with it now
[9:44] <Hitechcg> do 'ip -6 a | grep global' and tell me the IPs (can be PM if you want)
[9:44] <Hitechcg> I'll tell you if it's firewalled from the outside or not
[9:44] <Hitechcg> probably is tbh but you can always hope
[9:45] <Hitechcg> run that on the Pi btw
[9:45] <grokking> no response
[9:45] <grokking> nothing global
[9:46] <Hitechcg> huh, really? that indicates your IPv6 isn't working
[9:46] <grokking> :|
[9:47] <grokking> weird, had to help friends on windows enable ipv6
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[9:54] <grokking> curious what you guys use your pis for
[9:57] <grokking> like i said earlier, it's mainly an irc bouncer & file server
[9:57] <grokking> thinking of using another one as a twitter bot and other silly scripts
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[10:01] <Hitechcg> I'm using mine as my desktop :P
[10:05] <grokking> Hitechcg: as your desktop? what do you normally do?
[10:06] <Hitechcg> browse the web and mess around on IRC
[10:06] <Hitechcg> also mess around in a terminal
[10:07] <grokking> guessing you ssh into more powerful computer racks to do cpu-intensive stuff?
[10:07] <Hitechcg> I don't have much CPU-intensive stuff I do
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[10:13] <Hitechcg> Pi3 is quite powerful tbh
[10:13] <Hitechcg> well, not /that/ powerful
[10:14] <grokking> using pi zero here.
[10:14] <Hitechcg> but it can decode 720p h.264 in software if the bitrate's not too high
[10:14] <Hitechcg> I'm on a Pi 3
[10:14] <grokking> had an old pi2
[10:14] <grokking> loved it :)
[10:16] <Hitechcg> chromium performance is quite amazing tbh
[10:17] <Hitechcg> although I'm probably murdering my microSD card by swapping to it
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[10:45] <blkhawk> ali1234: thank you
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[10:50] <blkhawk> ali1234: but i need to figure out the why of a value not the how ;)
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[10:56] <s1car1us> can anyone explain this to me? doesn't connect using juice on Android or Putty... this is the error it gives using juice but you can see in the background some of the terminal. on putty just says software caused disconnect https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/373lgDB0/Screenshot_20180120-013206.png
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[11:02] <f15hPi> have you configured the rPi to accept ssh connections? sometimes the obvious things are overlooked.
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[12:21] <Encrypt> Hello o/
[12:22] <Encrypt> Do you have any good 7 inches touchscreen to recommend for the Raspberry Pi?
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[12:25] * Ben64 goes to google and types in '7 inch touchscreen raspberry pi'
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> whatever suits your purpose
[12:26] <Ben64> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-78156/l/raspberry-pi-7-touchscreen-display
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> fits where you need it
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> etc
[12:26] <f15hPi> go to amazon, and read the reviews
[12:27] <Encrypt> Ben64, Yeah, I already googled
[12:27] <Encrypt> I wanted to know whether you had some feedback on particular displays
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[12:39] <MacGeek> yay just picked up my pi
[12:39] <MacGeek> so the consensus is I should toss out the heatsinks?
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[12:56] <Encrypt> https://www.waveshare.com/product/modules/oleds-lcds/raspberry-pi-lcd/7inch-hdmi-lcd-c.htm
[12:56] <Encrypt> This one looks good
[12:56] <Encrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td25GTHbxVs
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[13:59] <MacGeek> what percentage of pis is made in the UK?
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[14:46] <r3> MacGeek: I wouldn't throw out the heatsinks, I mean, they can't do any harm installed
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[14:47] <DexterF> greetings!
[14:47] <Lartza> The worst thing they'll harm is one's wallet indeed
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[14:47] <MacGeek> r3: it's my first pi so I literally have no idea of their effect. they're quite tiny anyway. when I mentioned yesterday that the kit I bought included heatsinks the consensus at the time seemed to be that they did nothing
[14:48] <DexterF> I have a Pi1 lying around here and an acute ned for a 3G/4G router to hook an an AP - is there a distro/OS/appliance that will turn my Pi into one?
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[14:48] <r3> well, they don't do nothing, they do something and act as heatsinks, so if you already have them, what's the harm in installing them?
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[14:48] <r3> MacGeek: and here is an article about the making of Pis in the UK: http://www.zdnet.com/article/14-million-raspberry-pis-sold-10-million-made-in-the-uk/
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[14:49] <MacGeek> r3: this pi I got today was made in china
[14:50] <r3> MacGeek: The kits I bought (from CanaKit) included a pair for each Pi 2, so I installed them. The couple of Pi 3 kits I got from them also included a pair, so I installed them too. Can't hurt. Now maybe folks are saying that they are not worth purchasing special, and I can see the point there in order to save money. But since I went the kit route, they were there, and on they went.
[14:51] <MacGeek> yeah I got a kit as well, it had the pi + case + power adapter w/switch + 32 gig sandisk card + microsd reader
[14:52] <MacGeek> + heatsinks + hdmi cable
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[14:52] <MacGeek> quite hard to take out the microsd with the pi in the case
[14:52] <r3> the only thing I would be more concerned about would be the power adapter, as sketchy power has been the bane of Pis.
[14:53] <MacGeek> the adapter is 2.5A so it should be good, unless the rating printed on it is a lie
[14:53] <r3> and some cases you must be very careful of the SD card, some make you take it out before installing the case
[14:53] <Lartza> is it the official psu with a raspberry image on it?
[14:53] <MacGeek> no
[14:53] <MacGeek> it's a 3rd party one, with a switch on the cable
[14:54] <Lartza> then it can lie :) you can see the lightning icon in raspbian full desktop if it's bad so
[14:54] <MacGeek> http://www.keptun.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Amazon-Locker-2.jpg
[14:54] <MacGeek> whoops
[14:54] <MacGeek> wrong link
[14:54] <MacGeek> https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B074Z4M4TF/
[14:54] <MacGeek> there
[14:54] <MacGeek> that's the kit I bought
[14:54] <MacGeek> (when it was on flash sale for 63.99)
[14:54] <r3> Lartza: that is *if* you have a GUI installed I guess
[14:54] <r3> I have that case, it isn't bad, but watch the SD card
[14:55] <Lartza> r3, That's why I said raspbian full :)
[14:55] <MacGeek> r3: yeah, very hard to take the sd out
[14:55] <r3> Lartza: you did indeed, but if - like me - I run them headless and without a GUI, bad power can be sneaky! ;)
[14:55] <Lartza> r3, I only corrupted two filesystems with my Nexus 7 charger ;)
[14:56] <Lartza> Arch, headless
[14:56] <r3> MacGeek: if you have the means (a meter, a load) I personally would test out the powersupply and see if it really can handle 2.5A
[14:56] <MacGeek> the adapter I got is not the one pictured in the listing btw, it has a different shape
[14:56] <MacGeek> I do have a meter but I do not have a load
[14:56] <MacGeek> I'll see if I get the low power icon
[14:57] <MacGeek> (I haven't turned it on yet actually)
[14:57] <Lartza> r3, Can't really test everything that way though, like tha fact the power draw changes rapidly because CPU
[14:57] <Lartza> *the
[14:57] <stiv> phone charger != power supply. we should put that in the topic header
[14:57] <r3> Lartza: you are correct
[14:57] <r3> but it can give you a clue
[14:58] <Lartza> stiv, I just keep repeating it to people, works too :P
[14:59] <r3> MacGeek: what you can do is use a powered USB hub to power your (wireless) mouse and (wireless) keyboard or any other USB accessories. That way they are not drawing power through the Pi and then its power supply is just used for the Pi itself.
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[15:01] <r3> MacGeek: and you can also just accept the fact that at some point the SD card is going to get corrupt, so be sure to keep backups. I image mine so that I can quickly and simply go back to a known state. I've a number of spare SD cards as well. Even with good power, those SD cards don't last forever. :)
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[15:11] <r3> I've had very good luck with the CanaKit power adapters; I've 7 x Raspberry Pi 2 that have been running nonstop for several years. A few Pi 3 that have been running less time, but went the CanaKit route again. Less than half of the Pi 2 SD cards have had to be replaced so far, and I am preparing to preemptively replace the remainder next month. Something like these kits: http://a.co/6aoO4e
[15:11] <r3> V ... YMMV, and if you don't need all the stuff in the kit, don't get it, but for my application it was perfect.
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[15:15] <r3> I've only ever had an issue with one of the kits, I think the case was cracked (probably in transit), and the customer service at CanaKit was excellent. They also sent me a replacement SD card when one was of a newer version than the kits I had purchased the previous month. They understood the need for consistency in an experimental environment. Really good service.
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[15:44] <MacGeek> I've played with it a bit and no problems with this power adapter so far
[15:44] <MacGeek> now I just have to figure out stuff because at the moment I'm feeling like the clueless noob when using raspbian :D
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[15:58] <r3> well the kit should have included an SD card with noobs, if not, here's a link: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/2/
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[15:59] <r3> or here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/software-guide/
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[16:03] <MacGeek> yes, I have already installed raspbian from noobs
[16:04] <MacGeek> I'm just trying to figure out stuff around
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[16:12] <r3> if you're new to python and programming in general, I would recommend Thonny: http://thonny.org/ (iirc Raspbian Stretch has it preinstalled)
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[16:16] <r3> one thing my kit included was a mini-breadboard, a Pi header interface cable, and some resistors, switches, LEDs - enough to be able to do an intro to programming and an intro to electronics - one would use the Pi to turn on and off LEDs programmatically as a mini project. The kids I tutored with it enjoyed working it
[16:16] <r3> YMMV, of course, you might be an EE, what do I know ;)
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[16:19] <MacGeek> ha - no, I'm not. I will eventually use it for some electronics tinkering though, I have designed a small circuit I intend to put in a car, and the pi will come in handy to program the attiny chip I want to use in that circuit
[16:20] <MacGeek> aw, it looks like the vnc server on the pi is not compatible with the mac's screen sharing client
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[16:20] <MacGeek> I guess the mac's client probaby only supports unencrypted vnc
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[16:22] <r3> just be careful about the maximum input voltages on the Pi (3.3V) can differ from things like an Arduino (some can handle 5V) ... I have seen some confusion on that point
[16:23] <MacGeek> I'd use the pi just to program the attiny, the circuit I have in mind is something very very simple that would be entirely controlled by the attiny
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[16:24] <MacGeek> basically this circuit would monitor the car's electrical system voltage, and once it detects a voltage coherent with a running alternator (engine has been started), it pulses an output, then goes to sleep
[16:24] <MacGeek> basically it simulates the user pressing a certain button on the dash every time you start the car.
[16:27] <r3> just saying that you can damage your Pi by feeding GPIO inputs 5V, where some atmega can handle it... so just be aware there's a difference, is all I am saying :) Cheers!
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[17:08] <kevr> i wanna connect to wireless via CLI on the raspberry pi, but it also has a GUI running
[17:08] <kevr> can i do this fine with wpa_cli?
[17:08] <kevr> (RPi3)
[17:08] <kevr> no matter what i do, the scans show nothin, nothing connects
[17:08] <kevr> well, wpa_cli scan shows nothing
[17:08] <kevr> iwlist shows properly
[17:10] <AntiComposite> kevr, Do you have a /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ?
[17:10] <kevr> yes
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[18:02] <BillD73> will Stretch Lite run on a headless, wired conenction Pi 1 model B?
[18:04] <BillD73> followed this https://howtoraspberrypi.com/how-to-raspberry-pi-headless-setup/ but cannot seem to access the pi no route to host.
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[18:09] <BillD73> infact when I plug the pwoer in(known good supply used on another 1 B and a 2 B as well) I dont even see my eth2 slot on router light up. Pi on has red led lit up, no activity.
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[18:14] <BillD73> I ahve also tried commenting out the static ip and tried booting and watching my router for a new mac address no go. card seems good. my lil ubuntu machine Im on opens and mounts the SD card when inserted. i can sud nano edit files, made the ssh in the /boot part and have also successfully modified /etc/shcpcd.conf in the rootfs
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[18:23] <Hitechcg> BillD73: sounds good to me, try another card or Ethernet cable maybe?
[18:24] <Hitechcg> however, keep in mind that ssh isn't enabled by default anymore (at least for full Raspbian, idk about Lite)
[18:25] <Hitechcg> making a file called 'ssh' in the root of the fat32 partition should enable
[18:25] <Hitechcg> it
[18:25] <Hitechcg> kevr: you might need to use iw
[18:26] <kevr> Hitechcg: I had to change the country from "GB" to "US" and reboot the computer
[18:26] <Hitechcg> huh, that's weird
[18:26] <Hitechcg> GB should work well enough
[18:28] <BillD73> i ahve another card here. I already tried the cable bit, put it in my main tower under TV, worked just fine. Working on the card bit.
[18:29] <BillD73> ok, thought what FS should I put the card as? Will That matter to a Pi 1B
[18:29] <BillD73> files system or will the image determine it when i "dd" it to the card in console
[18:30] <Hitechcg> just dd the entire image
[18:30] <Hitechcg> the Pi needs two partitions, and the image should already be set up correctly (and have an MBR)
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[18:31] <Hitechcg> it's ext4 without journaling btw
[18:32] <Hitechcg> with a fat32 partition before that for the firmware
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[18:39] <BillD73> I ahdn't used the card I was attempting on any Pi yet, jsut one I had with some old files on it. used disk to remove parts then commln sudo dd bs=1M if=/home/b.. to write the image.
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[18:43] <Hitechcg> BillD73: did you make sure you used of=/dev/sdb and not of=/dev/sdb1 or similar?
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[18:44] <BillD73> yes
[18:45] <Hitechcg> besides hooking it to a monitor or other troubleshooting steps I don't know what to tell you
[18:45] <Hitechcg> maybe the Pi's bad
[18:47] <BillD73> dang I hope not, i'll finish this card and try again
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[18:49] <BillD73> well that was it, bad card for the Pi
[18:50] <BillD73> well at least getting it to boot and see eth led for its port lite up and activity lite on the pi lol
[18:50] <BillD73> brb
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[18:54] <BillD73> well I'm in, setting the "static" ip in dhcpcd.conf had no effect, had to locate new dhcp lease on router summmary for LAN and then took its MAC and current IP and made it static in router
[18:56] <Encrypt> Hello o/
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[18:57] <Encrypt> Is there any fuse on the Raspberry Pi Zero WiFi?
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[18:57] <Encrypt> I am wonderging whether I could directly power if from the GPIO pins
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[18:58] <Encrypt> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=127965
[18:58] <Encrypt> Found my answer
[18:58] <Encrypt> Good
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[19:30] <tbx1024> Hi! I have the following question about Raspbian: what is the name of the wifi icon program in the panel?
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[19:30] <realies> getting Could not connect to wpa_supplicant: (nil) - re-trying, why?
[19:30] <realies> through wpa_cli
[19:30] <tbx1024> and a second question: is it possible to get the Pi desktop on ubuntu-mate?
[19:30] <AntiComposite> You have to start wpa_supplicant first
[19:30] <realies> AntiComposite, how?
[19:31] <realies> it used to start automatically
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[19:32] <AntiComposite> On this device, or on a different device?
[19:32] <realies> on the device, yesterday
[19:32] <realies> it worked all good
[19:32] <realies> now it doesnt like it
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[19:33] <AntiComposite> What does "systemctl status wpa_supplicant.service" say? (If it's long, don't paste it here)
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[19:35] <realies> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled); Active: inactive (dead)
[19:36] <realies> ok, ive enabled it
[19:36] <realies> and started it
[19:37] <AntiComposite> Check the status again then try wpa_cli
[19:37] <realies> Active: active (running) since Sat 2018-01-20 18:36:17 UTC; 1min 26s ago
[19:38] <realies> and again Could not connect to wpa_supplicant: (nil) - re-trying
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[19:39] <AntiComposite> Hmm...anything of note in journalctl -e
[19:39] <AntiComposite> ?
[19:39] <realies> just a moment, rebooting
[19:39] <realies> i think power might not be enough
[19:39] <realies> hopefully it's that
[19:39] <realies> aaand it's not
[19:41] <realies> http://ix.io/EpR
[19:41] <realies> im seeing
[19:41] <realies> Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
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[19:44] <AntiComposite> What's your wpa_supplicant.conf look like? Don't share it here if it's got passwords in it.
[19:44] <realies> it had an "asd" before everything..........
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[21:25] <tbx1024> hi, i'm getting "Failed to create a P2P device interface p2p-dev-wlan0" on Ubuntu MATE with a Raspberry Pi 3, even though I have p2p_disabled=1 in wpa_supplicant.conf. How would I fix this? thank you
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[21:48] <tbx1024> figured it out (sort of): my SSID was wrong (_ instead of -), still no idea about the p2p error
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[22:23] <tbx1024> is there a deb repository for the Raspberry Pi Desktop?
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[22:37] <Encrypt> HEllo again :)
[22:38] <Encrypt> Do you know what all the PP "contacts" were made for here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2017/05/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-Back-1-1729x1080.jpg ?
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[22:39] <redrabbit> soldering
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[22:41] <Encrypt> I was searching for an official explanation of the differents pads
[22:41] <Encrypt> I've found an unofficial one here: http://domotique.caron.ws/cartes-microcontroleurs/raspberrypi/pi-zero-connexions/
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[22:44] <redrabbit> they are soldering pads Encrypt
[22:45] <Encrypt> Yeah, apparently
[22:45] <Encrypt> I may use pogo pins with these pads
[22:45] <redrabbit> like you can offload the usb ports and sd card reader
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[22:46] <redrabbit> GPIO6 – LAN9514 GPIO7 – LAN9514
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[22:47] <redrabbit> i wonder what's the use for these tow
[22:47] <redrabbit> ah its usb ethernet gadget
[22:48] <redrabbit> not sure
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[23:16] <tbx1024> so it turns out it's entirely possible to get the Pi Desktop on the Ubuntu MATE image, just need to add archive.raspberrypi.org ui repository, install raspberrypi-ui-mods, get rid of NetworkManager and configure dhcpcd/wpa_supplicant
[23:16] <futurejonez> sup raspberrypi
[23:17] <blkhawk> hey - is HDMI_BOOST settable with vggencmd?
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[23:18] <blkhawk> I am still poking at my stupporn ipad display and it would help to set the boost on a running system for quicker tests
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[23:18] <Lartza> tbx1024, I mean you can just keep networkmanager though? but sure
[23:18] <Lartza> Also the packages are techically for debian but should work because they have so many commonalities
[23:18] <tbx1024> of course, sorry that wasn't clear. i wanted to get rid of it because nm-applet was crashing for some reason
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[23:19] <tbx1024> yep i tried it as an experiment, i'm surprised nothing broke. usually mixing repositories is a recipe for disaster
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[23:34] <ali1234> tbx1024: that repository is for debian, not ubuntu, so you've made a frankendebian :)
[23:34] <ali1234> https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian
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[23:35] <ali1234> it will probably work but don't be surprised if you get weird bugs...
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[23:42] <Lartza> ali1234, I mean it's a FrankenUbuntu more like
[23:42] <Lartza> Since vice versa
[23:43] <ali1234> true but the result is the same :)
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[23:45] <tbx1024> yep i am aware of that! i hope the Foundation will offer repackageable sources for the desktop, because right now it seems a weird mix of configuration files and custom add-ons to LXDE
[23:45] <ali1234> you could always throw the source packages at a PPA and see what happens
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[23:46] <tbx1024> never used PPA, but i'll have a look!
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[23:59] * mal_will (sid195162@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jucpgkylbdfruakn) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)

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