#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-01-21

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[2:13] <Brain_ReCall> hi folks, I need a bit of apache help
[2:14] <Brain_ReCall> I updated from jessie to stretch, and now I cannot connect to my apache-served pages by host name
[2:14] <Brain_ReCall> I can connect to them by ip address, and everything seems fine
[2:14] <Brain_ReCall> any ideas?
[2:16] <stiv> put names in /etc/hosts?
[2:17] <Brain_ReCall> so, for example, if I connect to printer_server:631 I get bad request
[2:18] <Brain_ReCall> but gives me my CUPS config
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[2:18] <Brain_ReCall> what should I have in my hosts? I do have a printer_server
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[2:19] <stiv> put the address and the name. ex:
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[2:20] <stiv> printserver
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[2:21] <Brain_ReCall> ok but if pinter_server is on a dynamic address, then is that going to force me to make it static?
[2:22] <Brain_ReCall> from my PC, I can ping printer_server just fine, apache works enough to return a 400 bad request back to the browser
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[2:36] <Brain_ReCall> ok, fyi, this is apparently the result of the underscore
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[2:36] <Brain_ReCall> newer apache server is more strict on hostnames, underscores are invalid and thus return a bad request
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[2:37] <Brain_ReCall> so I'm going to have to change the server name and update all my PCs for the new server name
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[2:58] <clonex10100> Hey! I'm trying to get my pi zero to emulate a keyboard. I put dtoverlay=dwc2 in my /boot/config.txt and dwc2 libcomposite in /etc/modules as per this guide https://www.rmedgar.com/blog/using-rpi-zero-as-keyboard-setup-and-device-definition. Then I used this script on the version it was made forhttps://gist.github.com/rmed/0d11b7225b3b772bb0dd89108ee93df0, but windows said that the usb device was malfunctioning. Any idea on
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[4:00] <giddles> do i need swap on a usb stick rootfs?
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[4:05] <d0rm0us3> HrdwrBoB, any recommends on a bench top pwr sup... would like to have 'current limiting' controls as well as dc up to about 24v-50v.
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[4:15] <xs2> 55 °C acceptable for an idling RPi 3 B?
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[4:17] <caoliver> Seems hot.
[4:17] <realies> just noticed i'm at 77,3 C with a heatsink and no overclock
[4:17] <realies> :|
[4:18] <caoliver> What ARE you running.
[4:18] <caoliver> ?
[4:18] <realies> 78.4
[4:18] <realies> 77.3
[4:18] <caoliver> And how long have you been running it?
[4:18] <realies> just sending some data from the csi to an rtmp server
[4:18] <realies> well i'm live for the past 8 hours
[4:19] <caoliver> I ran a tight CPU loop on all cores of an RPi3 with a wimpy 1"x1" finned sink, and I topped out at 65C
[4:19] <realies> load average: 0.33, 0.49, 0.46
[4:20] <realies> caoliver, i guess using the gpu for such a long time might have something to do with it
[4:20] <realies> well not to mention my laptop fetching all those streams and re-encoding them (cpu) is running at 96 C
[4:20] <realies> :S
[4:20] <caoliver> OK. My RPis are all headless. One's an embedded controller, and the other's for dev work.
[4:20] <realies> mines are too
[4:21] <realies> just using the hardware h264 encoder
[4:21] <realies> but apparently that's enough to make it hot
[4:21] <realies> thought that's asic and it doesn't get as hot as a general computing unit
[4:21] <caoliver> I'd do the encoding on a more powerful box if I were you.
[4:21] <realies> the pi has a perfectly fine h264 encoder
[4:22] <caoliver> Not if you get those sorts of temjps though.
[4:22] <caoliver> temps
[4:22] <realies> the box has no ventilation as well i think
[4:22] <caoliver> I'd still do that on a workstation class machine.
[4:22] * caoliver has a low bar for workstations though.
[4:22] <realies> i'm fine with my pis :)
[4:23] <realies> just need some optimisations
[4:23] <caoliver> They make great toaster ovens then. I want to run my stuff well within spec.
[4:23] <realies> i'd like to make my stuff run first and then optimise
[4:24] <caoliver> But why a RasPi for a heavyweight computation task? Do you expect some sort of reward for using underspec'ed hdw for the job?
[4:25] <caoliver> Horses for courses, mate!
[4:25] <realies> dude, do you know what hardware encoding is?
[4:26] <caoliver> Yes! I understand. But you're pushing close to the Pi's throttle temp. That's underspec'ed.
[4:26] <caoliver> I understand you're using a GPU, but again there are better to use.
[4:26] <realies> that's an early prototype, tf you want :)
[4:26] <caoliver> But why?
[4:27] <realies> because with enough attention it can run within all component specifications
[4:27] <caoliver> Again, I think you're cheaping out and not leaving much slop.
[4:27] <realies> that's the point
[4:28] <caoliver> I prefer to guarantee adequacy by using a machine that's more than enough for the job.
[4:28] <realies> caoliver, the pi is more than enough for the job
[4:28] <caoliver> You're running way hot. What are you expecting as service life?
[4:30] <realies> you should probably understand what early prototype means
[4:31] <caoliver> I'm working on one commercially. Please don't patronize me.
[4:31] <caoliver> I''ve been at this rodeo for nearly forty years.
[4:31] <caoliver> You're being cheap!
[4:31] <realies> <realies> that's the point
[4:32] <caoliver> I have very little patience for cheaping out on hardware,
[4:32] <realies> glad we're not doing business then
[4:33] <caoliver> And I'm glad I'm not in the market for your product. I'd be rightly afraid of infant morality.
[4:33] <caoliver> mortality
[4:34] <realies> my product is not on the market, because it's not a product, because read up
[4:36] <caoliver> If it's a one-off, when why not use a personal workstation. They're really cheap in today's market.
[4:36] <caoliver> FYI, I'm dealing with vendor issues on multi-thousand dollar parts, I'm really quite appreciative of cost issues. I just don't seem not using a strong computer for a computationally intensive job.
[4:37] <caoliver> s/seem/see/
[4:37] <realies> well you can't understand what i'm doing or are just too old
[4:37] <caoliver> It seems foolish not to avail oneself where one can.
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[4:38] <caoliver> No. I see it as a waste of talent which could be better spent.
[4:38] <caoliver> There is no intrinsic prize for using under-powered hardware.
[4:40] <realies> ok grandpa
[4:40] <caoliver> And again, don't patronize me for making really quite reasonable suggestions.
[4:42] <realies> not patronizing you for that
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[4:43] <caoliver> And stuff that ageism.
[4:43] <noregret> does pihole install and run dhcpd by default?
[4:43] <caoliver> No idea. Sorry.
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[4:44] * caoliver looks up pihole.
[4:44] <caoliver> Cute. Anti-ad firewall.
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[4:45] <realies> noregret, yeah
[4:45] <caoliver> How does it function in the face of https?
[4:46] <realies> on the dns level
[4:46] * caoliver thinks about adapting it for his firewall running on regular hardware.
[4:46] <realies> oh, you're that guy...
[4:46] <caoliver> So basically a blacklist.
[4:47] <noregret> realies: oh nevermind it was dhcpcd
[4:47] <noregret> not pihle related
[4:47] <realies> huh :)
[4:47] <clonex10100> Has anyone used a pi zero to emulate a keyboard
[4:48] <realies> sure
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[4:48] <realies> you need a hid emulator via the usb data port
[4:48] <noregret> i have a static ip in dhcpcd.conf, should I remove that and add auto to the interface in /etc/network/interfaces in order to use dhcp again?
[4:48] <clonex10100> That's what i'm trying to do. I'm very new at stuff like that though
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[4:49] <realies> clonex10100, plenty of tutorials
[4:49] <realies> one of them https://github.com/c4software/pi-as-keyboard
[4:49] <clonex10100> I tried following this one: https://www.rmedgar.com/blog/using-rpi-zero-as-keyboard-setup-and-device-definition . When I plugged it into windows it told me my usb device was malfunctioning
[4:50] <clonex10100> I'll look at that one
[4:50] <realies> noregret, check the default config
[4:50] <realies> is this for eth?
[4:50] <realies> i can check my burning hot pi
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[4:52] <noregret> realies: yeah, eth0
[4:52] <noregret> realies: i don't remember when it happened, but it has a static ip that's configured in dhcpcd.conf and i need to revert to dhcp again
[4:53] <realies> noregret raspbian stretch doesn't have the regular interfaces file though
[4:53] <realies> it includes all files from a folder called interfaces.d where you can specify custom config
[4:53] <noregret> yeah i see it, it is included in the interfaces file
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[4:54] <realies> i only have source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
[4:54] <realies> and an empty interfaces.d folder by default
[4:55] <realies> here's some eth0 dhcp config samples https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/networking-lessons/lesson-3/plan/
[4:56] <noregret> yeah, only "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is needed
[4:58] <noregret> so should i create a new file named eth0? or what?
[4:58] <noregret> how is it done in stretch
[5:01] <realies> doesn't matter but eth0 is sensible
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[5:12] <clonex10100> realies, tried the one you linked me but when I plug it into my pc and do the test script it still says that the usb device malfunctioned and it doesn't type anything
[5:16] <realies> so the hid device doesn't get recognised or what?
[5:16] <realies> can you see it in device manager as a keyboard?
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[5:19] <clonex10100> After running the setup when I plug it into my pc it waits for a moment and then a popup in the bottom left corner of my pc says that the recently connected usb device is malfunctioning
[5:20] <clonex10100> after that if i try using sendcodes nothing happens at all
[5:20] <clonex10100> *bottom right
[5:21] <realies> well something's wrong
[5:23] <clonex10100> Yeah, and I have no idea how to trouble shoot it. I've never really done stuff at this level before
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[7:59] <windsurf_> does anyone know if when I add a RTC to my pi if languages like Python or JavaScript get their time from that clock? Once I configure the RTC in linux does the clock become the principal time provider?
[7:59] <windsurf_> or is it an independent provider that I have to specifically query for an updated time?
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[8:27] <jmcgnh> windsurf_: (if you're able to see entries while you're logged off) You use a clock driver in the kernel to keep time with the RTC and all the rest of the application software will take it from there.
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[8:31] <HrdwrBoB> d0rm0us3: eh, I just got mine form ebay
[8:31] <HrdwrBoB> it was cheap
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[8:33] * jmcgnh repeats: windsurf_: (if you're able to see entries while you're logged off) You use a clock driver in the kernel to keep time with the RTC and all the rest of the application software will take it from there.
[8:34] <windsurf_> yeah missed a window of time, thanks
[8:34] <windsurf_> I was just reading about that... so I gather when configuring this part for startup, "hwclock -s", that sets the system time to that of the RTC
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[8:35] <windsurf_> So that could be end of story except I wonder, if I query the system time in 2h is that just 2h relative to when it was first set? Can I rely on the crystal of the system time as much as I can of the RTC? I'm concerned about drift
[8:35] <jmcgnh> windsurf_: I'm just going off of what I read at https://learn.adafruit.com/adding-a-real-time-clock-to-raspberry-pi/set-rtc-time
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[8:35] <windsurf_> so does the action of "hwclock -s" just happen once or does the systme re-query the clock every time the system is queried (doesn't seem to be a safe assumption)
[8:37] <windsurf_> OK, hopefully it's reliable enough will have to test
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[8:43] <jmcgnh> windsurf_: it's an interesting question. From the article I read, there's just a check at boot time. I know from back in the BSD-on-Vax days that clock drift was a concern and in the early days before full NTP there were attempts to have hosts on a network exchange time values and retain drift adjustments so they could all stay in sync with each other.
[8:44] <jmcgnh> windsurf_: probably have to look deeper into the kernel to see how that's dealt with on the Pi
[8:46] <windsurf_> actually, if the default is to have the system time be set from NTP then the same question is valid – I wonder if there's drift after that initial setting of time to system. I wonder if with NTP the system re-checks the NTP after startup
[8:47] <windsurf_> I'll look into that though
[8:47] <windsurf_> thx
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[8:50] <jmcgnh> windsurf_: a bit dated, perhaps, but nice coverage of the issue at: https://blog.remibergsma.com/2013/05/12/how-accurately-can-the-raspberry-pi-keep-time/
[8:50] <windsurf_> sweet thanks
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[9:13] <Maai> good morning from uk. i would feel rude just asking my question straight off, but irc = don't ask to ask
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[9:21] <gordonDrogon> right, so don't ask to ask, just ask.
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[10:05] <Maai> please. anyone with information on how to search for ACT activity printing to file or terminal. i used duckduckgo and google, i shall try yahoo.
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[10:06] <Maai> i search for: ACT, activity, monitor, raspberrypi, device, mmc0
[10:07] <Maai> i find systemd, which is overpowered for what i want (so say #systemd) and iotop only gave me terminal figures not file access strings
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[10:07] <Maai> and i am struggling to find a web page or program that intercepts the line from file access to the ACT LED
[10:07] <Lartza> systemd overpowered how?
[10:08] <Lartza> a systemd timer?
[10:08] <Maai> system and service manager
[10:09] <mk-fg> Maai, You want something that'd log disk activity?
[10:09] <mk-fg> (or rather i/o activity)
[10:16] <Lartza> Maai, So?
[10:16] <Lartza> It's already there, and depending on what you want to do will do the job just fine
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[10:20] <Maai> well, i am seeing the raspberrypi that is here my !pet! and i am to look after peta. peta beeps at me. .. why peta why?
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[10:26] <Maai> it would be excellent to find a virus on here one day ;)
[10:26] <Maai> or er, many files ;) ;)
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[10:35] * gordonDrogon still can't work out what exactly you're trying to do ..
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[10:36] <Maai> ok
[10:37] <Maai> the electric that controls the ACT light is connected in a chip.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> yes, I know.
[10:37] <Maai> voltage is being controlled by the access of mmc0
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> not exactly correct, however ..
[10:38] <Maai> this is my thinking
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> think differently.
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> do you just want to control the ACT LED?
[10:39] <Maai> a program in the kernel can be used to display the information which is requested _through_ the ACT light... ish
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[10:40] <Maai> not control. find out what files are being copied or accessed that makes the LED trigger
[10:40] <Maai> my limited unix knowledge does not help
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> it's very very simple. If the kernel SD card driver accesses the SD card, then it lights the LED.
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> there it nothing more to it than that.
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> inside the kernel there is a big 'switch' that let you choose what activates the ACT LED.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> type: cat /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> that gives you the trigger sources and [what] is currently triggering it.
[10:44] <Maai> [mmc0]
[10:44] <shauno> if you're trying to figure out what file access is happening each and every time, I'd give up while you're still sane. the kernel apis for this are desperately lacking
[10:44] <Maai> the SD card
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> describe to us exactly what you're trying to achieve... I'm still confused.
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[10:52] <mk-fg> Maai, "find out what files are being copied or accessed" <-- try auditd or sysdig
[10:53] <mk-fg> auditd to get a list of paths, sysdig if you want more
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[10:55] <Maai> that is useful to look into. How do you think i missed that searching online?
[10:57] <mk-fg> Guesses: 1 - didn't search in the right area, e.g. searching for non-rpi-specific thing with "on raspberry pi" as keywords
[10:57] <mk-fg> (while in fact this sort of thing is used on a small number of security-critical servers or in development)
[10:58] <shauno> because you're focussing on the led? the led is merely a side-effect
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> right. missed that bit as it was further down the chain.
[10:58] <mk-fg> 2 - couldn't phrase what you were looking for, i.e. that "led" thing yeah
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> you want to map the led to one (or a small number) of named files, I guess.
[10:59] <Maai> if a LED shone each time a dog walked through a door, what called the dog and what was the dog's name?
[11:00] <mk-fg> Or actually, maybe 3 - couldn't split task into components to search for individually
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> what's the dog got to do with knowing what files are accesses?
[11:00] <shauno> not all dogs have names. not all disk access is files.
[11:00] <mk-fg> If LED was a pixie and it lived in high mountains, what's the name of the lion?
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> if one synchonised swimmer drowns, do they all drown?
[11:02] <mk-fg> If swimmer drowns when no one's looking, did they really drown?
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> if a stealth bomber crashes in the woods, does it make a sound?
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[11:27] <Maai> i will try to find the keywords "auditd" and "sysdig", without typing them in.
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[11:29] <Maai> mk-fg: splitting tasks? subprograms that return what i want yet are in larger programs?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> why do you need to know which files are accessed?
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[11:30] <Maai> beep
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> right.
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[11:32] <Maai> if a dog (the access) walked through a door (wire - that triggers the LED), what command caused the dog to come and what did the dog hold in its mouth ... (?)
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> keep taking the tablets.
[11:32] <Maai> i'm on none!:D
[11:33] <Maai> the tablets made it worse :DD
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[11:34] <Maai> no worries
[11:34] <Maai> shau made a point. i need to shower
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[12:13] <bsdnoob> any project recommendation?
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[12:20] <GenteelBen> Something with BSD?
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[12:21] <mk-fg> Make some obscure BSD run or rpi for whatever reason
[12:22] <mk-fg> *on
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> various BSDs already run quite well on the Pi.
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[12:25] <GenteelBen> Make the PS Vita OS run on the RPi.
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[12:27] <mk-fg> Make PS Vita Great Again
[12:29] <bsdnoob> gordonDrogon, not the sdio + wifi
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[12:33] <bsdnoob> i've got esp8266 lying around too
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[14:13] <doublehp> any one can help me on HID gadget ? I am stuck and exhausted
[14:16] <mfa298> I probably can't help myself, but it might help if you gave some more info about what you've tried, what setup your using and whats not working.
[14:20] <doublehp> when I Send characters to the duckyencoder, they are delivered correctly to the host, but special characters are rejected; in particular, ESC code #1Bh is unsupported ... preventing me from using any non alpha key (esc, Fx, arrows)
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[14:35] <mfa298> whats the setup ? (presumably a Raspberry Pi Zero plugged into something, whats it plugged into, what OSes are things running? how can you tell the special chars arent going through? what logs messages do you get etc?
[14:35] <mfa298> if you want help you've got to help people to help you, telling them the bare minimum will usually lead to being ignored
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[14:48] <doublehp> mfa298: the setup implies no less than 4 machines; the problematic one is an Orange pi 0, the cheapest one; the issue I am having is in https://github.com/mame82/duckencoder.py
[14:48] <doublehp> I have opened a bug, a creating a second one
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[14:49] <doublehp> mfa298: giving details seems useless to me, because I assume that, if my setup is broken, it's because I have done wrong things, probably from the very start of my project; I am not going to ask anyone to stydy 3 weeks of work, but just provide a new fresh known to work method; because the method I use is obviously ... broken
[14:50] <doublehp> so I assume I have done bad choices from the start, and keeping my details away from IRC is probably the best way to keep people away from my failure, and guide me to any better choice I missed
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[14:53] <zleap> we all make mistakes, what is important is we can identify and learn from them
[14:54] <doublehp> mfa298: I bytes catched from terminal (ASCII codes catched on the fly), and need to send them to OTG HID GADGET; but github.com/mame82/duckencoder.py is unable to convert ESC #1Bh
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[14:55] <doublehp> I have sorted out how to catch keystrokes from consoles, how to send them over network, and how to push scancodes to the OTG stack; things work fine for alpha and digits; but the encoder is broken for <#20h codes
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[14:56] <zleap> 20h is 32 dec - space iirc
[14:56] <zleap> you could detect that by looking for a null string e.g " " perhaps
[14:56] <doublehp> what would detection change ?
[14:57] <mfa298> doublehp: but then if people don't know what you've done (whether its right or wrong) it's hard (impossible?) for them to know where the issue might be and so how to help them.
[14:57] <zleap> i am just making suggestions
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[14:58] <doublehp> zleap: I initially thought I had timing issues; so, I started to detect <20h bytes since yesterday, to group them and send them faster; fact is ... https://github.com/mame82/duckencoder.py/issues the duck sux
[14:59] <doublehp> it seems the duck can handle ESC i script mode; but since there is no documentation, I don't know how to generate script from my raw input
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[14:59] <mfa298> I'd have thought that the fact you're using an orange Pi rather than a Raspberry Pi might be an important factor (and at least something that should be decalred up front) - they're goign to be using different kernels which could easily mean somethign that works on the Raspberry doesnt' work on other boards (which if that's the case it's probably not a query for here)
[15:00] <doublehp> (you can generate a raw stream of data when you consider your console as a serial pipe, and start having fun with screen, minicom, and serial ports; it helps understand how far a console only sends raw bytes)
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[15:01] <zleap> i need to go out, so chat later
[15:01] <zleap> hope you manage to fix the issue, irc is great for this sort of thing, just help others to help you :)
[15:01] <zleap> cua
[15:01] <zleap> cya
[15:02] <doublehp> mfa298: ah no, I was wrong; it had failed on ORange Pi, the OTG part is on an rPi; opi is cheaper, but the armbian kernel does not support HID gadget yet, ; I had forgotten this detail because I have 8 opi0 around me for other projects; but that OTG project was reverted to rpis last week
[15:03] <doublehp> mfa298: the bug of the day lays in pure software (python) land ... very far from kernel considerations
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[15:04] <webuser5224> Hello everyone
[15:05] <doublehp> mfa298: amazingly, dispite boards having very different hardware, and completely different pinout, I managed to get LCDs work everywhere. Because recent kernel drivers now support user defined pinout
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[15:11] <a3f> What's your experience with raspbian inside a VM running on a raspberry pi? Did you use QEMU? VirtualBox? something else? (I am writing a USB driver, but it's cold and I would rather stay in bed and not need to manually reset the rpi. So I thought maybe passthrough the USB driver to the VM and develop on that) Thoughts?
[15:12] <webuser5224> I've been trying to build a battery-powered camera, but in my search for either a low-power microprocessor or microccontroller, I realized that the camera would probably always be the main problem with it's power consumption. Is that correct?
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[15:12] <RahulAN> HI all
[15:12] <RahulAN> I have Raspberry pi B
[15:12] <webuser5224> I read the RPi Zero could go to around 0.5 W or less with wifi and other things deactivated, but if the camera takes like 2 W, that wouldn't matter so much anymore
[15:13] <RahulAN> Which raspbian should work on that ?
[15:13] <webuser5224> I heard even the small RPi camera module draws like 300 mA or something?
[15:13] <webuser5224> And that one wouldn't even be an option with my setup, I guess
[15:14] <RahulAN> I tried RASPBIAN STRETCH LITE from : https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[15:14] <RahulAN> but it do not boot over my Pi
[15:14] <doublehp> webuser5224: it's all relative ... in modelism, we don't really care about power because we have plenty anyway; but, when a quadcopter drone weigth below 100g, I am pretty sure the camera consumes less than 300mA
[15:15] <doublehp> webuser5224: look for virtual realy drone flyght; a friend added a camera on a 25g drone
[15:16] <RahulAN> any idea guys ?
[15:16] <doublehp> webuser5224: also depends why you need/want a uC around
[15:16] <willy23123> https://www.adafruit.com/product/397
[15:16] <webuser5224> uC?
[15:16] <webuser5224> Ah, microcontroller?
[15:16] <doublehp> micro chip
[15:16] <webuser5224> oh ok
[15:17] <willy23123> That camera uses 75ma but it’s a stills camera
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> webuser5224, FWIW: I get 7 hours out of a 2000mAh LiPO on a Pi 0W - however the camera will suck a bit more than that...
[15:17] <webuser5224> Maybe I should look into letting the camera sleep when I don't need it instead of looking for very low-power ones?
[15:17] <webuser5224> Because I have quite a few old USB ones lying around
[15:17] <mfa298> RahulAN: the raspbian images should work with any Raspberry Pi model, you need to write them to the SD card using something like etcher though
[15:18] <RahulAN> mfa298: I tried it .. but no success :| i tried to add HDMI but nothing show there
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[15:19] <RahulAN> mfa298: I am getting PWR led : Red color and ACT : green (very dim)
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[15:21] <mfa298> RahulAN: possibly and issue with the SD card or power supply then, I'm runnign the latest raspbian lite on a few different pi models here without issues
[15:21] <RahulAN> mfa298: How much power supply is needed for Pi B ?
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[15:22] <willy23123> 2.5amps
[15:23] <mfa298> RahulAN: for the original Pi1B (26 pin header and 2 USB ports) a 5V 1A PSU should do (not all phone chargers will be enough), some of the newer ones need a more beefy supply
[15:23] <doublehp> webuser5224: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/fpv/fpv/cameras/all-cameras.html they are all around 70mA
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[15:26] <webuser5224> Well, many don't have anything specified there
[15:26] <webuser5224> And 640x480 would be a bit low-res
[15:26] <webuser5224> for example
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[15:29] <DexterF> hi
[15:29] <DexterF> oddity with Pi1: no network cable: display turns on but stays black. I plug in the cable - display comes on. i disconnect - display goes black. what happens there?
[15:31] <doublehp> DexterF: ground issue ?
[15:33] <DexterF> doublehp, comes to mind. the only other gnd connection is hdmi to display. display has proper grounding. odd. ill try something...
[15:34] <doublehp> DexterF: this is not a raspbian (software) issue; most PSU are not grounded; a friend fried a rpi2 by using two psu; in some case, the +5V pins can have a 400V shift; he fried the GPIO by plugging the data pins before Vss pins
[15:34] <doublehp> so, first, connect all together: earth, ground, 0V, and Vss
[15:35] <RahulAN> mfa298: I was giving 5V 2A supply to it
[15:36] <DexterF> it really is a ground issue. weird. I just connected a lose cat5 end to my heating's pipe, tadaa, display comes on
[15:36] <doublehp> DexterF: a good cat5 should not have fixed the issue ... if it did, it's out of specs :)
[15:37] <doublehp> DexterF: good cables have ground connected only at one side, to avoid ground loops and shortcircuits
[15:37] <DexterF> wonder why the display does not provide sufficient GND.
[15:38] <DexterF> doublehp, patch cable, they mostly connect through, no risk of having cross current from ground differentials
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[15:38] <DexterF> doublehp, but I see you know your electronics :)
[15:38] <doublehp> I know my wikipedia
[15:38] <RahulAN> mfa298: if every thing is ok, which led will blink i mean (ACT) ?
[15:41] <mfa298> RahulAN: On most models the red LED is power and should be on all the time, and the green LED shows activity (and I think some error codes) but there are some exceptions (such as the Pi1B)
[15:43] <RahulAN> mfa298: what are those exception ?
[15:44] <mfa298> ... are some exceptions (such as the Pi1B)
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[15:45] <RahulAN> you mean that board is culprit ;)
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[15:47] <mfa298> I mean the Pi1B has a different layout to most of the others (it the original Pi and newer model Bs improved on the design)
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[15:47] <mfa298> Zero is also a different layout so has different indicator LEDs
[15:47] <doublehp> RahulAN: when power is too low, RED LED goes off
[15:48] <mfa298> doublehp: depends which model Pi he has
[15:48] <doublehp> you said "most" ...
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[16:49] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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[16:51] <akk> Do all RPI pins have internal pullup/down resistors? I can't seem to find a list of which pins do.
[16:56] <mk-fg> Yes, though on e.g. i2c pins there are hardwired ones that can't be disabled and have different R value
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[16:56] <mk-fg> https://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals probably has info on these
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[16:58] <akk> Thanks.
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[17:17] <Habbie> mk-fg, akk, also pinout.xyz
[17:18] <akk> Habbie: Sorry, what/where are those?
[17:19] <mk-fg> http://pinout.xyz
[17:19] <Habbie> https://pinout.xyz/
[17:20] <Syliss> anyone using libreelec on pi3?
[17:20] <Habbie> Syliss, i'm sure many people are - did you have a question?
[17:20] <Syliss> just wondering
[17:20] <akk> Oh, neat, thanks. I didn't recognize .xyz as a TLD. :)
[17:20] <Syliss> finally getting back into my pis
[17:20] <Syliss> pi's
[17:20] <Habbie> akk, we live in terrible times
[17:21] <mk-fg> I have libreelec on rpi3
[17:21] <akk> heh
[17:21] <Syliss> runs decently mk-fg ?
[17:21] <mk-fg> Yeah, don't think I've noticed any issues
[17:21] <Syliss> i have 2 pi3's and was thinking of running one on one of my tvs
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[17:22] <Syliss> blarg realized i have 2 pi0 and neither have wifi :(
[17:22] <mk-fg> Well, except power, had to add voltage regulator when running it off PoE
[17:22] <Syliss> ah, i plan on just normal usb power
[17:22] <mk-fg> Yeah, that's probably due to long and crappy cable
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[17:22] <Syliss> ugh i forgot how much suck 256mb ram is
[17:22] <Syliss> how long is the cable?
[17:23] <Syliss> and what kind of poe injector are you using?
[17:23] * Syliss works for a wisp so i deal with poe allllll the time
[17:23] <mk-fg> Idk, it's ethernet between rooms, bunch of meters, was falling below 4V under load and Pi rebooted
[17:23] <Syliss> ouch
[17:24] <mk-fg> Injector is simple cable thingy with 5.5x2.1mm power plugs on both ends
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[17:24] <Syliss> ah
[17:24] <SirLagz> mk-fg: they're crap.
[17:24] <Syliss> lol
[17:24] <mk-fg> You mean they can include voltage regulator or something?
[17:25] <mk-fg> Or that 5.5x2.1 are crap? :)
[17:26] <SirLagz> mk-fg: those sorts of injectors are crap. They're just pushing whatever voltage is being presented down the line, but they don't actually make sure the line supports it.
[17:26] <clivejo> Syliss: have you a dumbies guide to PPPoE you could recommend?
[17:26] <mk-fg> Yeah, that's kinda what I expected from them though
[17:26] <SirLagz> mk-fg: if anything, I would get some proper PoE injectors/splitters
[17:26] <Syliss> i dont clivejo, i havent touched pppoe in forever
[17:26] <Syliss> we use something else
[17:27] <clivejo> what you guys use?
[17:27] <mk-fg> SirLagz, I'll look into what they do, didn't think there was anything else for PoE tbh
[17:28] <SirLagz> mfa298: https://www.ebay.com/p/48v-0-5a-Poe-Injector-Power-Over-Ethernet-Adapter-for-802-3-AF-IP-Camera-WLAN-AP/1380670157?iid=272217462419 <== the injector
[17:28] <mk-fg> Afaik most PoE routers and such just include voltage regulator and accept something like 9-45V, so you plug some extra voltage there in hopes it won't dip too low :)
[17:28] <SirLagz> mk-fg: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Active-PoE-Splitter-48V-to-5V-5-2V-2-4A-USB-TYPE-A-Female-802-3af-for-tablet/202005711183?epid=2169851593&hash=item2f087a894f:g:jckAAOSwbopZVyQX <== splitter
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[17:29] <SirLagz> mk-fg: I don't know how good the china injectors are, but the splitters do alright
[17:29] <SirLagz> mk-fg: I'm using a couple for my Pis
[17:30] <mk-fg> Yeah, seem to be a good no-hassle option
[17:30] <Syliss> clivejo: source routing and some other proprietary stuff we made
[17:30] <Syliss> but think we might be moving to pppoe some day
[17:31] <clivejo> I'm on WISP and would like to learn bit more about PPPoE other than the basic tunnel understanding I have right now
[17:32] <Syliss> what wisp are you on?
[17:32] <SirLagz> mk-fg: certainly better than the passive PoE injector you're using now
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[17:32] <clivejo> an Irish one
[17:32] <clivejo> called Net1
[17:32] <mk-fg> SirLagz, Well, as mentioned, I've added voltage regulator there and using it with 12V PSU
[17:32] <mk-fg> So it probably works exactly as those active ones
[17:33] <mk-fg> Just less neat and probably similar price anyway
[17:34] <Syliss> clivejo: ouch thats kinda expensive
[17:34] <clivejo> yup
[17:34] <SirLagz> mk-fg: true
[17:35] <Syliss> clivejo: its cheaper than ours but dont have a daily allowance, we have a soft cap
[17:35] <clivejo> but with no way to get it tradional ways, there aren't many options
[17:35] <Syliss> per plan, and we have like 10 different plans
[17:35] <mk-fg> Chinese electronics from aliexpress and ebay tend to be cheaper than anything I can solder myself :(
[17:36] <mk-fg> Wonder of mass production
[17:36] <mk-fg> *Wonders
[17:36] <Syliss> clivejo: what brand antennas do they use?
[17:37] <clivejo> different ones
[17:37] <clivejo> depends on your location and how close to a backhaul
[17:37] <Syliss> mikrotik and or ubnt?
[17:38] <clivejo> mine is ubiquiti but backhaul stuff is mikrotik
[17:38] <Syliss> ah
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[17:38] <Syliss> we use both and our own built stuff too
[17:38] <Syliss> and we use other microwaves
[17:40] <clivejo> I'm trying to get upgraded to 50MB/s
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[17:43] <Syliss> nice, how much is that gonna run?
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[17:45] <clivejo> about 29 euros
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[17:48] <Syliss> thats not bad
[17:49] <clivejo> if I can get it
[17:49] <clivejo> waiting to hear more
[17:50] <clivejo> where in the world are you?
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[17:54] <Syliss> California
[17:55] <clivejo> you need WISP there?!
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[17:55] <clivejo> I thought you guys had fibre to the router!
[17:56] <akk> Question about edge detection and debounce: if I call GPIO.add_event_detect(button_pin, GPIO.BOTH, callback=button_handler, bouncetime=300)
[17:57] <akk> then I find in my button handler, I have to wait a little before checking GPIO.input(pin)
[17:57] <akk> but I'm trying to make sense of the time I have to wait -- it's not the same as the bounce time.
[17:58] <akk> If I time.sleep(.3) when bouncetime is 300, I'll get multiple calls to button_handler
[17:58] <akk> whereas if I time.sleep(.01) it works perfectly, I get only one call and I read the right answer.
[17:59] <akk> Sample program: https://github.com/akkana/pi-zero-w-book/blob/master/button/edge.py
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[18:10] <Syliss> clivejo: a big chunk of the state doesnt have lines to houses. some are off grid.
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[18:10] <clivejo> interesting
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[18:13] <mk-fg> akk, I'd think that bouncetime=300 will take care of devouncing in the lib itself, so that you won't have to do it manually
[18:14] <mk-fg> And if you run some kind of event-loop there, time.sleep is probably wrong way to do it
[18:14] <mk-fg> You should use something like loop.call_later()
[18:14] <akk> mk-fg: I think that's true, but if I read GPIO.input(pin) right away in the edge handler, it often gets the wrong answer, especially on a falling edge.
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[18:16] <Syliss> clivejo: where i live we dont have fiber to the home but cable is decent. my work provides service to those that can pretty much only get dialup or satellite
[18:16] <akk> mk-fg: Here's a slightly more real example, where instead of time.sleep it's using Tkinter's mainloop: https://github.com/akkana/pi-zero-w-book/blob/master/button/tkedge.py
[18:17] <akk> mk-fg: It shows the same problem: if you don't time.sleep(.01) before GPIO.input(channel), the pin will still read as high even after it's been called for the falling edge.
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[18:18] <mk-fg> I haven't used event-handling code in RPi.GPIO, but guess it runs background thread or something for that, so my comment about time.sleep above is wrong
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[18:19] <mk-fg> As you don't seem to hook it into eventloop in the second example either
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[18:20] <mk-fg> Also, dunno about its bouncetime= either, I suspect it might be explained in the docs how to use it correctly, and if it doesn't work like that, gotta be a bug
[18:20] <akk> I'm not sure what you mean by "hook it into eventloop". I set up the event detect, then I call the tk mainloop, then the button event gets called for edges.
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[18:21] <mk-fg> But you never tell GPIO module which eventloop it is :)
[18:21] <mk-fg> So from its perspective, you just run some python line that blocks indefinitely
[18:21] <mk-fg> Yet somehow it runs your event hook regardless, hence likely to be thread
[18:22] <akk> Isn't that how the event detection is supposed to work? It doesn't care what I'm doing in the meantime, it'll call me if it sees an edge.
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[18:22] <akk> And that part works fine, it's just detecting whether it was a rising or falling edge that doesn't work right.
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[18:25] <mk-fg> It's probably beside the point how it does its magic, and I don't really know why it's edge detection is failing, sorry
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[18:26] <Vooloo> I seem to have a hard time finding cases that can fit an ssd in them, like a NUC size
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[18:27] <MacGeek> Vooloo: there's the element14 pi desktop case
[18:28] <Vooloo> yeah it's the only one I've found
[18:28] <MacGeek> and I think WD also sells a kit with a suitable case
[18:29] <MacGeek> http://wdlabs.wd.com/products/pidrive-compute-centre/
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[18:35] <Rickta59> I've been searching around and not found the answer to this question. If you run the rpi 2 in bare metal mode (dwelch style) what speed is the cpu running at
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[18:39] <Rickta59> does it pull it from the config.txt?
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[18:39] <Syliss> Vooloo: may have to retro fit a case
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[18:57] <fleckz> If I wanted to make a pi 2b into a server to host a basic website/files or pihole. what security steps is there i can take to prevent it getting hacked? Surely someone with knowledge could hack it and see everything that's happening on my network?
[18:58] <Syliss> fleckz: have you set up a server before?
[18:58] <fleckz> uh, no. Apologies if that sounds stupid, haha.
[18:59] <Syliss> just checking
[19:00] <Syliss> youll need to set iptables, firewall rules
[19:00] <Syliss> fail2ban settings
[19:00] <Rickta59> one approach might be to put the pi2 behind a router that has a firewall and let the router do most of the work .. just open up port 80 so it can serve up web traffic
[19:01] <Syliss> do both
[19:01] <Syliss> pihole should have most of the settings already
[19:02] <Vooloo> Use docker to contain the webserver so they can't get root access if you didn't update the webserver
[19:03] <Vooloo> and/or the app, such as old wordpress installation
[19:03] <fleckz> Thank you.
[19:04] <fleckz> I would like to do it as a sort of hobby, expand on some skills but I worry about that stuff at the same time.
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[19:08] <Vooloo> it is pretty risky running your own public facing server since you need to keep the software up2date at all times
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[19:09] <Syliss> yep
[19:09] <Syliss> better to have it behind a router
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[19:11] <fleckz> Yeah, that's what worries me. I'll search for more info on it. Thanks.
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[19:12] <Syliss> do you have a static ip?
[19:14] <fleckz> I have no idea. I'll be honest, networking isn't my strong point. I'd like to educate myself more but when i've tried various stuff before (PiVPN/Pi-Hole) it never worked for me, and I believe that's because I don't know how to install them with the proper settings.
[19:15] <Syliss> that and you need to forward ports on the router, also check your isp, they can drop/block port access
[19:16] <Rickta59> might even be against the terms of service to run a web server depending on your ISP
[19:16] <Syliss> yep
[19:18] <fleckz> Ok. I mean, I have built basic websites before and hosted them on free third-party servers, and I have SSH'd to friends servers to host files etc.. but not really done any back end stuff etc. Maybe I'll look into other projects for the pi 2b.
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[19:19] <Vooloo> Just ordered the NES pi case, hope it does not disappoint
[19:19] <Syliss> lol
[19:19] <Syliss> i need a 3d printer
[19:19] <Syliss> but i need more room for that
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[19:35] <Syliss> this looks interesting https://www.wdc.com/products/wdlabs/wd-pidrive-node-zero.html#!
[19:35] <Syliss> with this https://www.wdc.com/products/wdlabs/wd-pidrive-node-zero-enclosure.html
[19:35] <Syliss> just need the usb board
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[19:50] <Syliss> now ive been down a rabbit hole looking at pi stuff
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[21:36] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[21:36] <Dbugger> I was setting up my printer with my raspberry and I wanted to make with it a wireless printer, but I have trouble connecting from my laptop (using ubuntu). Can anyone give me hand setting this up?
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[21:57] <Rickta59> I wonder where WD is getting all those Pi Zeros @ Syliss
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[21:58] <Rickta59> or isn't the pi zero included and I misread
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[21:59] <afl_ext> hello, what can i do if my rpi2 turns off when i move the power cable just a little bit?
[21:59] <Habbie> afl_ext, replace the power cable
[21:59] <Syliss> Rickta59: its included but they are out of stock
[21:59] <Habbie> afl_ext, if that doesn't help, replace the supply. if that doesn't help, replace the rpi2
[21:59] <Rickta59> well of course :)
[21:59] <afl_ext> the cable and the supply are all right, also its official supply
[21:59] <Syliss> they prolly paired up with rpi
[21:59] <afl_ext> i think the problem is with the port on rpi
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[22:00] <Syliss> you can solder leads to it
[22:00] <afl_ext> so, is it worth to resolderify it somehow
[22:00] <Habbie> afl_ext, well, if you're sure, start with replacing the pi
[22:00] <Syliss> or back feed power over the usb ports
[22:00] <afl_ext> hmmmmm
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[22:10] <TheGallopingFox> is it possible to fit a DAC hat on a rpi zero w what comes with a header already soldered, so i won't have to solder anything myself?
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> TheGallopingFox, if you mean an audio type of DAC then yes.
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> then again, not sure - just checked the ones I know about and you need to solder on the female header ... ah well.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-dac-pro <-- doesn't need soldering.
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[22:51] <Dbugger> guys, to set up a wireless printer with my RP, should I give it a fixed IP always?
[22:53] <SirNeo> every server should have a fixed ip
[22:53] <SirNeo> allways
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[22:55] <Dbugger> so I guess that is a yer
[22:55] <Dbugger> yes :)
[22:55] <Dbugger> so I will set that up
[22:55] <Dbugger> and I guess I should set a SSH server afterwards
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[22:55] <SirNeo> for what do you need a ssh server?
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[22:56] <Dbugger> well, if I want to play with my RP, and I dont want to have a monitor all the time on top of my printer... no?
[22:56] <Dbugger> im gonna need to connect to it, through SSH
[22:56] <SirNeo> if your rasperry is connected to your network
[22:56] <SirNeo> you can telnet/ssh into it
[22:57] <taza> Not every server needs a fixed ip
[22:57] <SirNeo> i don't remember setting a ssh server in order to access the pi
[22:57] <taza> SirNeo please fact-check your advice.
[22:57] <Dbugger> so I can access my RP out of the box, through SSH?
[22:57] <taza> No
[22:58] <taza> Dbugger Thus far, SirNeo hasn't been right once.
[22:58] <SirNeo> Dbugger: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[22:58] <taza> Servers work fine by hostname; out of the box setup doesn't enable SSH.
[22:58] <Dbugger> mmmm... setting a wireless printer with RP is not as easy as I thought it would be :(
[22:59] <taza> Dbugger it has SSH installed by default, but disabled. Fixed IP isn't necessary.
[22:59] <SirNeo> taza: I don't think when you click Print from word your pc will send the file to print to hostname Printer, it will send to the ip address
[23:00] <taza> ... what
[23:00] <taza> That's Not Even Wrong
[23:00] <SirNeo> printer server needs fixed ip
[23:00] <taza> No
[23:01] <taza> You need to start reading networking documentation before you make such silly claims.
[23:01] <taza> Just the basics are fine.
[23:01] <Dbugger> taza, you are right about SSH. I managed to set it up :)
[23:01] <taza> Dbugger honestly I'd just Google it with the words "raspberry pi" added, printer server with RPi has both been done and documented a hundred times.
[23:03] <Dbugger> I did that, and the printer is nicely connected to the raspberry. It can print a test page and all. But when I try to install it as a network printer from Ubuntu, it does not seem to work.
[23:03] <Dbugger> Even thought im not sure if that is a problem with Ubuntu or RPi...
[23:04] <taza> Yeah I'm only used to Samba
[23:04] <Dbugger> I dont really know much about Samba nor Cups, to be honest :/
[23:04] <taza> But by default cups only listens to local
[23:04] <Dbugger> i just followed the tutorials
[23:05] <Dbugger> I installed both, samba and cups
[23:06] <taza> There's half a dozen tutorials on the first page of Google alone. It's generally speaking just some overlooked detail.
[23:06] <Dbugger> I was using this one so far: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-wireless-printer-raspberry-pi/
[23:06] <Dbugger> but as I said, I cant seem to add the printer on other computers.. and Im not sure why
[23:06] <taza> Oof that's more than a little outdated
[23:07] <taza> Samba's changed since then
[23:07] <Dbugger> Yeah? Finding out what is actual current documentation is another headache :(
[23:08] <Dbugger> if you have a recommendation for a current guide, Id feel very thankful :(
[23:08] <taza> Amen. At least Google can sort by data.
[23:08] <taza> Err, date
[23:08] <taza> But yeah, by default cups only listens to print jobs FROM the Raspberry Pi
[23:08] <Dbugger> oh well, let me see
[23:08] <taza> Did you change that?
[23:09] <Dbugger> mmmm, not sure if I did... how does one change that?
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[23:09] <taza> The magic word to google for here is "cupsd.conf", I think
[23:09] <Dbugger> (btw, you said that google can sort by date?
[23:10] <Dbugger> I know it can filter by time range, but Im not sure about sorting...
[23:10] <taza> Ah, yeah, filter by time range
[23:10] <taza> Anything else is more work than is worth it
[23:10] <taza> Try in past year, if that doesn't bite, two.
[23:11] <Dbugger> ok, ill give it a try
[23:11] <Dbugger> I will try this one: http://www.techradar.com/how-to/computing/how-to-turn-the-raspberry-pi-into-a-wireless-printer-server-1312717
[23:12] <Dbugger> its from 2016
[23:12] <taza> It at least has the cupsd.conf bits, so it could work?
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[23:13] <taza> Also yeah Samba breaks constantly nowadays because it's actually three things, Samba1, Samba2 and Samba3
[23:14] <Dbugger> mmm... so it is no good?
[23:14] <taza> Samba1 is insecure and thus a lot of things have it turned off by default... but a lot of things also are compatible with just Samba2/3
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[23:14] <Dbugger> Im kinda losing motivation to use RPi for printing :P
[23:14] <taza> No, I'm pretty sure that between RPi and Ubuntu it's not the problem, just something to know if Windows gets annoyed.
[23:14] <Dbugger> well, I will try with that turoail
[23:15] <Dbugger> tutorial. Wish me luck
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> do you have a printer with USB interface?
[23:15] <taza> Coming from someone with the experience to say it with authority: There's a point where you should just go "eh, tomorrow's problem", stop trying it for the day and go to bed.
[23:15] <taza> Oh hey, now there's an expert.
[23:15] <taza> I oughta go to my chores anyway
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[23:15] <Dbugger> gordonDrogon, yeah, it uses USB
[23:16] <Dbugger> taza, thanks a lot, mate
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Dbugger, ah, ok. I suggest burning it and getting a printer with an Etherne socket, but maybe that's just me
[23:17] <taza> Hah
[23:17] <taza> But yeah I'm smelling it might be just CUPS not being set to listen to the Ubuntu device.
[23:18] <taza> Which you solve in cupsd.conf
[23:18] <Dbugger> gordonDrogon, well, the point was to set up the printer wherever I want to, not necessary by the router
[23:18] <Dbugger> taza, ill take a look into it
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[23:23] <Dbugger> in the tutorial says to comment this line: "Listen localhost:631" but there seems to be another line afterwards, that does not appear in the tutorial: "Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock".
[23:23] <Dbugger> Should I comment out that one as well?
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[23:55] <Dbugger> ok, working in Ubuntu
[23:55] <Dbugger> Lets see windows
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