#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-01-30

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[0:04] <halabund> Does anyone here use this hub? If yes, do you know which port is for power? https://thepihut.com/products/7-port-usb-hub-for-the-raspberry-pi I lost the manual, if there was one ...
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[0:09] <HrdwrBoB> halabund: surely it simply has a power plug
[0:09] <halabund> HrdwrBoB: I mean to power the Pi. I do not remember if any of the 7 USB ports can be used for that.
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[2:25] <willc> ahoy
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[4:02] <GrandPa-G> How would (if at all) would other GPIO pins be affected if GPIO 2 pin had a 5v sensor attached without any resistors?
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[4:07] <darsie> There are current limits for groups of pins. If you exceed them they may break.
[4:09] <GrandPa-G> I am wondering if other pins could be switched without anything attached?
[4:09] <darsie> sure you can.
[4:10] <darsie> Won't make much sense, though.
[4:10] <GrandPa-G> sorry, I wasn't clear. If I am trying to detect other pins, could they be falsly look as if they are changed?
[4:11] <GrandPa-G> like a bleed from GPIO 2 to another pin.
[4:12] <darsie> Not if your current draw is within specs.
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[7:11] <willc> Someone in here mentioned a smaller microcontroller... es.. 28 or something? any ideas on the name?
[7:14] <Maai> z80
[7:19] <shauno> willc, esp8266?
[7:20] <shauno> (or the successor, esp32, which is much easier to remember heh)
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[7:33] <willc> Yes thank you shauno :)
[7:34] <willc> does anyone here have experience with one?
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[8:00] <shauno> a little (not just being modest, I treat it as an arduino basically)
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[8:01] <willc> is there a certain brand that is prefered?
[8:01] <willc> preferred?
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[8:03] <shauno> I usually get either a wemos board, or a nodemcu clone, just because they seem to show up in a lot of projects, so plenty of examples to work from
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[8:07] <willc> thanks shauno :)
[8:08] <willc> I'm trying to decide if I want a second one for the lasers to do diagnostics. I could send a wifi signal for the lasers to turn on, then check the sensors for a signal, and test if they are working.
[8:09] <willc> These look to be them; https://www.amazon.ca/Kuman-Internet-Development-wireless-controller/dp/B06VV39XD8/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1517296003&sr=1-6&keywords=nodemcu+esp8266
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[8:24] <katnip> if the task bar disappears, how do i get it back?
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[8:50] <shiftplusone> katnip: can you get a terminal window open?
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[8:53] <katnip> nah i had to unplug and replug it in
[8:55] <shiftplusone> ctrl-shift-t didn't do it? (or was it ctrl-alt-t?)
[8:57] <shiftplusone> Usually it disappears because there's a bug in a plugin or the configuration gets corrupted somehow. If the config looks fine, you disable plugins one by one until it starts working again and then send a bug report with an attached stack trace, which you can get from a log file.
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[10:38] <_Jordan> GM Guys
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> o/
[10:41] <_Jordan> Whats that mean?
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[10:47] <_Jordan> Following up on yesterdays events. I have ran into whats seems like another connection issue with the USB0 device handle. Having cloned the git files from the rockBlock git. The python files don't seem to actually work and keeps on throwing the same error. Let me know if anyone wants more information and I'll give you the best explanation I can offer.
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[10:47] <_Jordan> Sending the sysout now
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[10:48] <_Jordan> https://pastebin.com/djGVrXPq
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[10:53] <_Jordan> Nevermind. I fixed it, Had to change USB0 to S0
[10:53] <shiftplusone> ideally you should use serial0 instead of S0
[10:53] <shiftplusone> then it will work on any pi, not just the ones with onboard bluetooth
[10:54] <_Jordan> How does one even?
[10:55] <shiftplusone> 42
[10:55] <_Jordan> lol
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[11:01] <_Jordan> I'll look that up later. for no theres more debugging to be done
[11:01] <_Jordan> now*
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[11:46] <shiftplusone> .... hurray for buildroot's readable makefiles....
[11:46] <shiftplusone> cp $(addprefix $(KERNEL_ARCH_PATH)/boot/$(if $(wildcard $(addprefix $(KERNEL_ARCH_PATH)/boot/dts/,$(KERNEL_DTBS))),dts/),$(KERNEL_DTBS)) $(BINARIES_DIR)/
[11:46] <shiftplusone> If I keep staring at it long enough, it will make sense.
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[12:12] <shauno> reminds me of the line in HHGTG, where they posit that if we actually understand the universe, it'll just be replaced with something even stranger
[12:14] <Ben64> some say it's already happened
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[12:26] <Habbie> shauno, Ben64, http://pbfcomics.com/comics/reset/
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[13:10] <pwillard> hrhr
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[17:18] <waveform> shiftplusone, are you available for a packaging question? I've been asked to take a look at the various piface* packages with a view to getting them fixed up for stretch
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[17:20] <waveform> I'm wondering what the "Right Thing" is when it comes to modprobe stuff these days (seems like dtoverlay= in /boot/config.txt is preferred sometimes, but I'm thinking something under /etc/modules-load.d would be preferable for apt to clean up later)
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[18:09] <AlphaRoon3> Hello all.
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[18:14] <sammysands> 👋
[18:15] <iEv0lv3__> After all the learning I got from here and other channels, I finally have my automated, headless, connect to any near open network, and give me a secure tunnel. Used lots of workarounds to get out of simply paying for a service
[18:15] <iEv0lv3__> I have it as a bash script rn, as a test. It works😊
[18:16] <iEv0lv3__> Now just to add in additional security measures, and we're golden👌
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[18:19] <iEv0lv3__> I can just turn my pi on anywhere, even somewhere it's never been, and within a few seconds, I have a private message with all connected router I go, as well as the spawned link to secure tunnel. Also happens to allow reverse ssh once connected.😏 how... convenient
[18:20] <iEv0lv3__> *router info
[18:20] <akk> Cool.
[18:21] <iEv0lv3__> Super duper cool
[18:21] <akk> Makes me wish places here had actual open wi-fi links. Everybody has those stupid authentication redirects.
[18:22] <iEv0lv3__> This bypasses that. Obviously
[18:22] <iEv0lv3__> Otherwise what use would it be?
[18:22] <iEv0lv3__> I call it OmniKinekt
[18:23] <akk> Wait, how? Do you have software that lets a headless pi authenticate over an arbitrary redirect web page?
[18:23] <iEv0lv3__> Yes.
[18:23] <akk> How?
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[18:23] <iEv0lv3__> I've been searching and studying forever. This project has taken at least 6 months
[18:23] <akk> I tried to write that once, but it was turning out to be too complicated, and a web search didn't find anybody else who had managed it either.
[18:24] <iEv0lv3__> I gotta clock in, I'll be back shortly
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[18:30] <tsglove> iEv0lv3__, got something up on github for that?
[18:30] <tsglove> I would be awesome if you did.
[18:30] <tsglove> iEv0lv3__, and what do you do on the other end? Do you have a VPS with openVPN or something of the sort?
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[18:33] <iEv0lv3__> Nope. All mine
[18:34] <iEv0lv3__> OpenVPN and other things
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[18:37] <iEv0lv3__> And the only reason I won't share it, is because it's a process of something bigger I'm doing. Consumer product. Gotta keep my secrets😋
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[18:43] <iEv0lv3__> akk: yes, the authentication redirect can be a bitch. Most of the time you have to add a new code for each redirect service. But I found a way
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[18:44] <akk> iEv0lv3__: I agree with tsglove, this would be very worth putting on github. It's something a lot of people need.
[18:45] <akk> It would be a great open source project, too: people could contribute recipes for their local nets
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[18:45] <akk> so the project itself would get more general the more people contributed.
[18:45] <tsglove> "Gotta keep my secrets." Not my way of going about it. Imagine if Linux Torvals would have said that. Yet, to each their own. Good luck in your endeavors.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, he wants to sell it - spent weeks asking everyone how to do it, now wants money for it ....
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[18:46] <tsglove> I mean, that's his choice. And that's ok with *me*. I don't like it, yet... whatever floats his boat.
[18:46] <akk> Seriously? In a project based on raspbian and open source? Weird.
[18:46] <tsglove> *Linus, not linux. lol
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[18:49] <H4ndy> Well, if any GPL applications were used they at least must publish a list plus provide source code if modified
[18:50] <iEv0lv3__> 11:45 AM <gordonDrogon> yea, he wants to sell it - spent weeks asking everyone how to do it, now wants money for it ....
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[18:51] <iEv0lv3__> Actually, I asked relative, and general questions to learn
[18:51] <iEv0lv3__> I put it all together myself
[18:51] <H4ndy> You are free to upsell your product, just stick to any licenses you may fall under
[18:51] <iEv0lv3__> But gordonDrogon ,you were a great help in pointing me in right directions to learn what I needed
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[18:52] <iEv0lv3__> Y'all gave me now answers, only pointed in directions. I followed on my own😋
[18:52] <iEv0lv3__> And yes, it would be a great open-source project. I may consider it
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[18:54] <iEv0lv3__> And most pointers were "pay for a service"
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[18:55] <iEv0lv3__> *no answers
[18:57] <Epx998> tftpbooting a pi3 and it reports back no server ip, next-server is our dhcp server, does the pi not pick that up?
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[19:17] <daniel__> I've been connecting to several i2c devices for a while with my rpi and it worked fine. After I added the 7" display, I can detect the i2c devices with i2cdetect but the addresses keep appearing and disappearing. How could I debug this?
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> daniel__, tricky - first thing I'd check is the PSU voltage.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> and try plugging the PSU into the display (or the Pi) and see if it makes a difference.
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> iEv0lv3__, "productising" something which stars life as a set of scripts and some code is somewhat tricky - good luck.
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[19:27] <stiv> saw something the other day saying initial development takes %5 of time, 'productising' and making idiot proof takes 95%
[19:28] <daniel__> gordonDrogon, 5.2 volts :/ let me try connecting the PSU into the display instead.
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[19:34] <akk> That sounds about right, stiv
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[19:35] <akk> especially if you count marketing and sales and all that
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[19:36] <daniel__> gordonDrogon, didn't make a difference. This is what my i2cdetect looks like when I run it several times in a row: https://pastebin.com/mhRRan3f
[19:39] <daniel__> gordonDrogon, and if I remove the screen, it works fine.
[19:39] <iEv0lv3__> Stiv, I believe it lol
[19:40] <iEv0lv3__> I guess it'll be on the market in 7 to 10yrs😂
[19:40] <iEv0lv3__> At least I'll have my own
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> daniel__, hard to say for sure - noise? interference?
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[19:41] <Maai> stiv i thought it would of been productizing (notice zee)
[19:42] <akk> Probably depends on en-us vs en-gb
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[19:43] <Maai> who producted first?
[19:44] <akk> Is this discussion productive?
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[19:45] <stiv> Maai, i used z first, but in deference to gordonDrogon, i changed it
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[19:47] <Maai> i like color. i am uk
[19:47] <iEv0lv3__> Lol
[19:48] <iEv0lv3__> Mildly entertaining convo. So it's productive in the sense of entertaining me
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[19:49] <GenteelBen> iEv0lv3__: does it make your prostate tingle?
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[19:50] <iEv0lv3__> And it's definitely a "z"
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[19:50] <iEv0lv3__> No. But it makes my sphincter quiver and throb
[19:50] <IT_AFK> *AHEM*
[19:50] <IT_AFK> We don’t need to hear about your bottom, iEv0lv3__
[19:51] <iEv0lv3__> I didn't bring it up
[19:51] <iEv0lv3__> It was the ben
[19:51] <Maai> i would like to keep sence in the dictionary
[19:51] <iEv0lv3__> Ok
[19:52] <IT_AFK> GenteelBen: no butt stuff in the channel, please.
[19:52] <Maai> because it makes sence (my senses tell me)
[19:52] <Maai> stbu
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[19:53] <Maai> then
[19:55] <daniel__> gordonDrogon, i tried with separate power supplies for the screen and rpi and same error. The screen also uses the i2c ports, do you think it's interfering wtih my devices?
[19:55] <GenteelBen> Way to throw me under the bus, iEv0lv3__.
[19:55] <GenteelBen> I was going to share this sweet new RPi hack with you, but no longer.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I think the screen uses a different I2C port though.
[19:56] <iEv0lv3__> I want u to buss it GenteelBen
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[19:57] <iEv0lv3__> GenteelBen: how sweet was the hack tho? Power button to switch on? That'd be awesome
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[19:58] <iEv0lv3__> Does it toast cheese?
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[20:00] <daniel__> gordonDrogon, thanks for your help, just figured it out. the i2c ports are not supposed to be connected, the tutorial i followed was for another rpi model.
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> yes, I only have the 2 power lines connected on my 7" displays - Pi v2's.
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[20:08] <GenteelBen> iEv0lv3__: turn off and on by clenching.
[20:08] <GenteelBen> You insert switches into certain orifices.
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[20:12] <Maai> i2c looks scary
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[20:12] <iEv0lv3__> Sounds hawt
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[20:15] <iEv0lv3__> Gordon, I was thinking, someone said good luck productizing something that is born from a script... But um... no-ip.com, ngrok, dyndns... All identical. They didn't seem to have a problem making money on a service that isn't even as advanced as this
[20:19] <iEv0lv3__> *you, not someone.
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[20:24] <iEv0lv3__> For pentesters, this is some Mr. Robot envy type shiz
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[20:25] <iEv0lv3__> If it can connect to anywhere and reverse in...owned
[20:25] <iEv0lv3__> I am, Mr. Evolve. I mean, robot
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[20:26] <iEv0lv3__> The guiding voice in my head isn't of my dead father tho
[20:26] <leftyfb> iEv0lv3__: continued discussion on how awesome this thing you created is and will not share is pretty rude
[20:27] <iEv0lv3__> I know
[20:27] <iEv0lv3__> I just get excited
[20:27] <iEv0lv3__> I had to share. Sowwie
[20:27] <leftyfb> except you're not
[20:27] <leftyfb> good luck with your product
[20:27] <iEv0lv3__> No more. Gotta be modest
[20:27] <iEv0lv3__> 😊
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[20:28] <iEv0lv3__> Lol
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[20:40] <thomas_25> I've speculated this before but had no insight from anyone. Why does rasbian prefer ext4? instead of a flash friendly fs?
[20:41] <thomas_25> from what i've researched not all sd cards has wear level protection
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[20:42] <H4ndy> thomas_25: is that file system bootable?
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[20:42] <thomas_25> not the boot partition
[20:43] <thomas_25> root partition
[20:45] <H4ndy> if it cannot hold root its not suitable for the general audience of then pi
[20:45] <Habbie> f2fs looks like it could do that just fine
[20:46] <thomas_25> that seems one of the recent popular contenders
[20:46] <thomas_25> but i remember flash friendly fs developed like 15 years ago too
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[20:47] <MacGeek> what is it that triggers the appearance of the "your software has been updated to the latest version, any old config files have been moved to ~/oldconfig" dialog?
[20:47] <MacGeek> I've just done a very minor update and got the window
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[20:56] <Habbie> thomas_25, f2fs is the one i actually see supported in raspbian
[20:56] <thomas_25> yeah, i think i'm gonna try it
[20:56] <thomas_25> because i feel nervous as the yellow led blinks!
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[20:57] <Habbie> ubifs is supported as a module
[20:57] <Habbie> which might be painful for booting
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[21:17] <akk> I sure wish I could understand why rsync -av --delete /oldraspbian /newcard never works.
[21:17] <Habbie> how does it fail?
[21:17] <akk> Copying /boot works, I can boot off the card, but the boot hangs somewhere around initializing the network.
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[21:18] <Habbie> hmm
[21:18] <Habbie> and no errors from the rsync?
[21:18] <akk> Last two lines on the console are: smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-20980000.usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:e9:b8:95, and random: crng init done
[21:18] <akk> No errors on the rsync
[21:18] <Habbie> what comes after those lines on a working boot?
[21:19] <akk> and I let it sit a good long time and typed sync several times before unmounting it after copying.
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[21:19] <Habbie> that's not necessary
[21:19] <Habbie> the waiting and the sync
[21:19] <akk> I'm superstitious. :)
[21:20] <akk> Let me hook up another pi and see what should come next.
[21:24] <akk> Oh, grr, this 0w is set up for ethernet gadget, not serial. I wish I could have the console on both places.
[21:27] <Encrypt> akk, You can't justr dd your SD cCard?
[21:28] <akk> Encrypt: I have an image of a 16G SD card but I want to put it on a 4G card for my pi1.
[21:28] <akk> It fits, size isn't the issue, but I can't dd.
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[21:29] <Encrypt> akk, I guess you could resize the main partition so that you could use dd
[21:29] <Habbie> you certainly could
[21:29] <Encrypt> I wouldn't rely on rsync
[21:29] <akk> Jeez, I can't seem to get this 0w to send output over serial. But I'm looking in dmesg.
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[21:30] <akk> Pull out a working card, resize the partition, image it, then resize it back and put it back in the pi? I guess I could do that.
[21:30] <Habbie> or image, then resize
[21:30] <akk> But I'd still like to understand why rsync doesn't work.
[21:30] <Habbie> whichever way you like
[21:30] <Habbie> ack
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[21:32] <akk> The current image is for a full 16G card, both partitions. So I don't think I can resize that, can I?
[21:32] <Habbie> if you can resize on a card
[21:32] <akk> I don't actually know how to resize either a partition image or a card image.
[21:32] <Habbie> you can resize in an image
[21:32] <akk> I can just gparted raspbian.img ?
[21:32] * akk tries
[21:32] <Habbie> it would not surprise me!
[21:33] <Habbie> otherwise, losetup or whatever replaces it this year
[21:33] <Habbie> kpartx also comes to mind
[21:33] <waveform> don't know about gparted, but you can certainly fdisk thingy.img - however you need to shrink the FS inside the partition *before* downsizing the partition and gparted is certainly easier for that
[21:33] <Habbie> indeed
[21:33] <waveform> certainly worth a try at any rate
[21:33] <Habbie> and then the image itself may not have shrunk
[21:33] <Habbie> but you can just truncate it
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[21:34] <Habbie> measure twice, truncate once!
[21:34] <waveform> yup
[21:34] <waveform> hehe, very true
[21:34] <akk> wow, sure enough, gparted at least runs.
[21:34] <Habbie> i would probably resize to way smaller than i needed
[21:34] <Habbie> if free space allows
[21:34] <Habbie> and then cut at slightly below 4tb
[21:34] * akk makes a backup of the big image first
[21:34] <Habbie> 4gb
[21:35] <akk> 4gb is what I'm targeting anyway.
[21:35] <akk> Guess I should make it 3.7 or something to allow for cards not really being as big as advertised.
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[21:37] <akk> Meanwhile, it turns out "random: crng init done" is the last message in dmesg on a normal working boot.
[21:37] <akk> So it got all the way through boot and then didn't manage to set up userspace, or something.
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[21:41] <akk> at least without the wifi adapter; with it, it stopped there and didn't get to random: crng init
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[21:42] <thomas_25> kernel config file location in rasbian? (not /proc/config.gz because i'm not booting the system, it's just mounted)
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[21:44] <darsie> /boot/config.txt ?
[21:44] <darsie> not sure if this is "kernel config".
[21:44] <akk> The /boot partition seems to be working okay AFAIC. It's after it's done with kernel boot that it hangs.
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[21:45] <thomas_25> darsie, it's not kernel config :/
[21:45] <thomas_25> I forgot to check when i booted
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[21:45] <thomas_25> does current rasbian kernel has the f2fs support compiled in?
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[21:46] <akk> Turns out gparted won't let me resize the partition in that image.
[21:47] <akk> Minimum size 15225 MiB Maximum size 15225 MiB
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> thomas_25, I'd suggest "path of least resistance" for ext4. It's proven and stable. By all means create an IMG using f2fs and supply the know-how to the foundation about managing it, expanding it, etc. I suspect that like a lot of stuff it simply boils down to time & resources for the good folks who build and maintain the images...
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[21:48] <thomas_25> gordonDrogon, yeah, for sure. but i've read far too many complaints online for dead sd cards... this looks like a real problem for people + it's a waste of money and not good for environment too
[21:49] <thomas_25> i.e. i think it could have been prioritized.
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> thomas_25, don't forget there ate probably over 16 million Pi's. My camera is fully capable of destroying an SD card too. (And my wifies Mac book has destroyed one of my SD cards too). It's not a Pi specific thing.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> the real problem is people being cheap and buying sub-standard PSUs (and knock-off SD cards).
[21:50] <thomas_25> yeah, but SD is Pi's default/target medium, man.
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> of-course it is, but how stable was f2fs 6 years ago?
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[21:50] <thomas_25> btw, i'm not implying that the designers of Pi was ignorant
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[21:51] <thomas_25> I'm trying to understand the "whys"
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> I've given you the why's (as I understand it) lack of manpower and time.
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[21:51] <thomas_25> your point is good that f2fs was not mature when pi was first designed but i remember there were much older fs designs for flash storage
[21:51] <thomas_25> yeah, i see.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm also fairly sure that the reported problems are only a tiny fraction of the people actually using Pi's. Remember good news generally isn't reported, but bad news caries fast and goes a long way.
[21:54] <waveform> also worth bearing in mind many SD cards include wear levelling at the hardware level (no idea how widespread that is these days, but it was present even when 2Gb cards were common)
[21:56] <thomas_25> i've read that it is not in SD spec
[21:56] <thomas_25> so it depends on the vendor
[21:56] <thomas_25> which means, cheap cards don't have it
[21:57] <waveform> well ... not so sure. Here's an interesting post from ages ago; it's a long read (but worth it I think) - he makes some interesting economic notes down the end: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
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[21:58] <waveform> (notably that it's likely cheaper to incorporate a block management controller into an SD card than it is to test it ... and he was writing this back in 2010 when cards were considerably smaller)
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[21:59] <thomas_25> yeah that was one of the pages i've stumbled upon while researching this
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[21:59] <waveform> I'm sure you're right about the spec, but that's not necessarily the whole story
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[21:59] <waveform> anyway, on the kernel config thing I think F2FS is built in, judging from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.9.y/arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_defconfig#L1233 if you want to have a play anyway
[22:00] <thomas_25> yeah i'm gonna try
[22:00] <thomas_25> booting took 13seconds previously
[22:00] <thomas_25> we'll see how long it takes with f2fs
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> don't expect it to be quicker. ext4 can drive the card at full read rate.
[22:02] <thomas_25> interesting
[22:02] <thomas_25> you can't beat the full rate
[22:02] <thomas_25> but i've read that f2fs provided significant performance boost as well
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> and once the kernel is loaded (one second) the rest is userland - setting up usb, keyboard, screen, network, and so on.
[22:02] <thomas_25> user comments, not the best source of information
[22:02] <thomas_25> yeah
[22:02] <thomas_25> and that means tons of small file reads
[22:02] <thomas_25> which f2fs can perform better than ext3
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[22:02] <thomas_25> ext4*
[22:03] <thomas_25> but if you say it already reads at full rate, meaning it is SD card IO bound
[22:03] <thomas_25> there is probably not much to improve in that department
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> the default Pi clock speed for the SD card is (I think) 20MHz.
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[22:05] <gordonDrogon> it's like back in the bad old P133 days with PIO transfers to an IDE drive.
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[22:05] <thomas_25> well, thinking of it, fs operations historically always been IO bound
[22:05] <thomas_25> but fs's can perform differently
[22:06] <thomas_25> in different scenarios
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> have you used it before?
[22:06] <thomas_25> some perform better with lots of small files in a single directory
[22:06] <thomas_25> some might perform better with booting maybe :)
[22:06] <thomas_25> use what?
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> f2fs.
[22:06] <thomas_25> nope
[22:06] <thomas_25> i'll try to boot it in a few minutes (if i can make it boot)
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm intersted in trying it myself at some point, but time & effort vs. something that's not broke (for me).
[22:07] <thomas_25> so we'll have a basic idea
[22:07] <thomas_25> yeah yeah totally, if not broken, don't fix it
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> and I've installed 100's of Pi's so-far...
[22:07] <thomas_25> but it annoys me to see my sd wear out everytime the yellow led blinks :)
[22:07] <Habbie> waveform, it's in my /proc/filesystems on raspbian 8 at least
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> the very first SD card I bought with a Pi is still working...
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[22:08] <thomas_25> is it under constant use?
[22:08] <thomas_25> Habbie cool
[22:08] <waveform> Habbie, ahh - I must remember that. So many useful things in /proc :)
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> not really. I use it to test wiringPi from time to time.
[22:08] <Habbie> waveform, note that the stuff there may have come from a loaded module
[22:08] <Habbie> waveform, which would be a nice catch-22 for putting / on that fs
[22:08] <Habbie> but f2fs appears to be compiled in really
[22:08] <waveform> indeed, I vaguely recall /proc/config.gz requires a modprobe these days
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> I don't have f2fs on my laptop, so building an SD card with f2fs might be tricky.
[22:09] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, modprobe it?
[22:09] <thomas_25> gordonDrogon install f2fs-tools
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> oh no matter. it's modprobable.
[22:09] <thomas_25> why wouldn't it be?
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> because Linuxes are different.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> and my laptop runs devuan.
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[22:14] <thomas_25> i f*cked it up, kernel panic :), have to try tomorrow :) good night!
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> thomas_25, do read the channel rules before tomorrow please ...
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> and keep it more family friendly.
[22:18] <Habbie> thomas_25, btw, jffs2 is available as a module
[22:18] <Habbie> thomas_25, if you want to just test things on a separate partition
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