#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-02-02

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[0:53] <puff> Good evening.
[0:53] <darsie> .
[0:53] <ebarch> o/
[0:53] <puff> gordonDrogon: Thanks, I will.
[0:54] <puff> Hm, what's the best approach for networking with a "headless" pi appliance, i.e. you want to make a special purpose gadget, you don't want to have to configure the IP address manually ever time you use it.
[0:54] <puff> Is there a bonjour implementation for the pi?
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[0:54] <ebarch> yup. avahi-daemon is installed out of the box
[0:54] <ebarch> [hostname].local
[0:55] <puff> ebarch: How's that work?
[0:56] <ebarch> it's just like bonjour. typically any linux/mac system will be able to work directly with it. all devices broadcast their hostnames/IPs to each other
[0:56] <ebarch> you can install bonjour on windows as well
[0:56] <puff> It looks like it's pretty straightforward to get imagery off a camera module connected to a pi, is there a streaming server for that video?
[0:57] <ebarch> usually an mjpeg server is the easiest method. "motion" can host an mjpeg server (and do lots of other cool stuff if you want)
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[0:58] <ebarch> https://motion-project.github.io/
[0:58] <puff> ebarch: cool.
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[2:22] <ccat> .
[2:22] <ccat> q: can you program rpi using just a chromebook so it can run android apps?
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[2:31] <stiv> are you running android on your pi?
[2:31] <binaryhermit> I thought android was horrible on the pi
[2:32] <binaryhermit> but admittedly I haven't dug deep into it
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[2:35] <katnip> if you want android, buy a phone :)
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[2:37] <zizla_> if I had a permanently running python script on a remote rpi, and I could connect to the rpi through ssh, how would I be able to view that script's output?
[2:38] <ccat> phone is expensive -- just need wifi +android+video
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[2:39] <katnip> android isnt ready yet
[2:41] <ccat> katnip: ready for what?
[2:41] <katnip> like put on a chromebook
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[2:42] <katnip> it's like apple putting ios on a macbook
[2:45] <ccat> katnip: except android and chromium are BOTH google
[2:45] <ccat> katnip: ohhh, sorry
[2:46] <katnip> and ios and osx are both apple :)
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[2:47] <ccat> katnip: y -- thus the sorry :)
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[2:58] <stiv> zizla_, script.py >logfile tail -f logfile
[2:58] <zizla_> ty
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[3:06] <Maai> HDMI signal is being squashed :( black! black! blllaaacckk!!! :(
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[4:25] <noregret> when pihole says in the logs that a certain domain is piholed, does it mean it is blocked? because i can reach it from my browser
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[4:26] <noregret> I don't understand, it sayd piholed then forwarded on the second row... that's odd
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[5:23] <puff> gordonDrogon: How about this power supply? https://www.adafruit.com/product/1995
[5:25] <nicedreams> noregret: maybe it's cached before you used pihole?
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[5:33] <noregret> nicedreams: cached for a couple of weeks?
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[5:36] <puff> anyone used one of these USB to TTL cables? https://www.adafruit.com/product/954
[5:36] <puff> It doesn't say how this actually works.
[5:36] <nicedreams> noregret: oh. nvm then. :)
[5:36] <puff> aha https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/overview
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[7:10] <g105b> I've just installed Raspbian and set up my Pi on a 2GB card, but obviously not using the whole 2GB. Is there a way I can reduce the size of the card so I can image it, so the image isn't exactly 2GB? The reason is that I'm having trouble re-flashing other 2GB cards with the same image as the image is sometimes slightly too large.
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[7:44] <xacktm> g105b: probably "shrink partition" but I'm always wary of losing data, havne't looked into that yet
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[7:45] <xacktm> there's a few partition tools out there
[7:45] <xacktm> "resize partition" is another keyword
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[11:08] <ld50> quick question: is it possible to force the firmware to retry failed boot attempts without power cycling? i have a race condition between my netboot server getting ready and the pi trying to reach the TFTP server
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[11:08] <ld50> power-cycling would be annoying in the final setup
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> puff, no idea - but if adafruit say it's ok with a Pi, then it's probably ok.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> puff, using one of those usb/serial cables right here: https://lion.drogon.net/IMG_20180128_095121.jpg
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> puff, however I don't use it as a console to a Pi, I use them as cheap serial ports for Pi's to talk to other devices.
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[11:28] <ali1234> ld50: no
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> ld50, there are simple electro-mechanical delay switches that delay output after input goes on.... so you power the Pi via one of those set to (say) one minute.
[11:39] <mk-fg> ld50, You can probably make some simple hardware solution to that - e.g. counter chip to reset the board every N minutes unless it boots up fine and stops it via gpio
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> no need to make anything - delay relays are COTS.
[11:40] <shauno> they're also huge :/
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> 1cm wide DIN rail units - not that huge.
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[11:43] <shauno> that's not far off the size of a pi. sending RUN low once a $period unless a gpio is high is something that'd fit on an attiny
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you just want to plug something in and go ...
[11:44] <mk-fg> Pls don't fight, more options the better :)
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[11:45] <shauno> heh, this isn't remotely like fighting
[11:45] <shiftplusone> Yes it is!!! >=/
[11:45] * shiftplusone throws chair
[11:46] <shiftplusone> I couldn't spot the fighting either.
[11:46] <shauno> shiftplusone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
[11:46] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[11:48] <shauno> I have a horrible habit of going "ooh, look how cheap these are if you buy 50 of them". so when things like this come up, I tend towards solutions that mean I get to use the 49 chips I didn't actually need
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[11:53] <shiftplusone> I just end up with bags of things I am never going to use but don't want to throw out
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[12:05] <ShorTie> usb volt meter in there ??
[12:08] <shiftplusone> Nope, that's attached to my pi right now
[12:09] <ld50> gordonDrogon: mk-fg: thanks for the pointers. unfortunately, we already have ~50 RPis deployed in the field, some of them at rather remote locations, so we need a software-only solution that i could improvise using only ssh
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[12:12] <ld50> (we're switching from SD-boot to netboot as the sdcards fail too often. the RPis are in really hard to reach spots sometimes)
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> maybe you're solving the wrong issue - boot from SD and run in RAM?
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[12:50] <teatime> Anyone using Debian 9 arm64 on a RPi3, or Debian 9 armel on a PiZero ?
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> I recall someone emailed me a while back running Debian on a Pi with regard to wiringPi, however...
[12:53] <teatime> interesting.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> Personally I don't see any reason to try debian over Raspbian myself, but if it's specifically compiled for the ARM on the Pi v3 then you might get some performance gain...
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> the Zero has the same ARM/SoC as the Pi v1.
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> which Debian originally ran on, but somewhat poorly.
[12:54] <teatime> it's unfortunately the other way around, Raspbian is compiled to support RPi2's hw fpu
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian originally was designed for the v1.
[12:54] <teatime> Debian armel is soft-float; Debian's armhf supports a different hw fpu
[12:55] <teatime> yes
[12:55] <teatime> oh, they don't have a different arm64 build of Raspbian?
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> the debian on the v1 used soft-float, but you could compile code to use the hard float - and that worked well - however it still used the soft-float ABI for parameter passing, so wasn't optimal.
[12:55] <teatime> then yeah perhaps that might be some benefit
[12:55] <teatime> not a specific goal of mine
[12:56] <teatime> it's true though that there's no way I can justify spending time on transitioning
[12:56] <teatime> raspbian is fine heh
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> my personal view is that going to 64-bit on the Pi is somewhat futile - code may well be larger and I'm not convinced there will be any real performance gain.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> the way to get a gain is to probably use gentoo targeted specifically to the Pi v3.
[12:57] <teatime> you would just have to check and see
[12:57] <teatime> you are probably right
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian right now supports all Pi versions, so is technically sub-optimal on the V3 (and newer v2's)
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> but knowing I can take an SD booting on a v3 and stick it in a Zero is a good thing in my books ...
[12:58] <teatime> understood / gtk
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[12:58] <teatime> yeah that's an excellent point as well
[12:58] <shantorn> gordonDrogon, would ubunutu/mate perform any better on it in your opinion (pi3)
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> too many choices :)
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[12:59] <gordonDrogon> shantorn, if it was compiled specifically for the ARM on the v3? Probably, but I've no experience.
[12:59] <shantorn> i see, well it is compiled for the pi3
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> the downside of ubuntu, etc. is that they come with a lot of extra stuff - would mate (the desktop environment) run well on a Pi compared to LXDE/Pixel? I don't think so, but who knows.
[13:00] <shantorn> .img from them directly
[13:00] <shantorn> i have it on mine and it works pretty well, but i am far from a performance user
[13:01] <shantorn> run plex in a web browser
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> almost all my Pi's right now are "headless" so I don't run any web/desktop/anything like that on them.
[13:01] <teatime> their image seems to support Pi2 & 3
[13:01] <shantorn> ah so i see your data delama
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> the later v2's have the same SoC as the v3.
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[13:01] <teatime> confusing.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
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[13:02] <shantorn> i would like ot see a real 64 bit os but i think 2 gigs of ram is needed for it to really work well
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm really not convinced of the need for 64-bit for general use, however who knows.
[13:03] <teatime> heh yeah 32-bit doesn't look like such a bad thing with ≤ 1 GiB RAM
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[13:03] <shantorn> we wont know though until tests are ran, i know the tinker board flies with a 64 bit os but its a monster
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> I worked with some systems ~25 years ago that were 32-bit, but the memory interface was 128 bits - they were blisteringly fast for the time because you loaded effectively 4 instructions per memory cycle into the cache so the cpu core could run without memory stalls.
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[13:04] <shantorn> gordonDrogon, those where high end systems you had
[13:04] <shantorn> 128 bit mem channel interfaces
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> a system with 64-bit wide memory that did a lot of double precision floating point should benefit as it's a single load from ram to fp registers.
[13:04] <shantorn> woo hoo
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> it's all going to depend on the application.
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> I sitched my Linux desktop to 64-bit a few months back - no noticable difference.
[13:05] <shantorn> this system i am on is blistering ffast in linux compared to just fast in windows 10
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> actually, something are slower - firefox for example bloats to over 9GB at times - then I suspect it spends more time searching through that 9GB for data than rendering pages )-:
[13:06] <shantorn> its a pretty hoppin system though
[13:06] <shantorn> i do love teaching my 10 year old on the pi3
[13:07] <shantorn> she is learning the basics of linux, raspbian-debian now
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I have an old Intel Atom netbook - which I upgraded to 1.5GB of RAM. chromium just about runs on it now, but it needs things like ublock to make it effective on big bloaty sites.
[13:07] <shantorn> she will be ready for what ever when she gets into jr sr high
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I have a 9 year old niece (and a 6 yo). However mummy isn't into computing and they're 900 miles away, so who knows how they'll turn out.
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[13:08] <shantorn> nothing beats hand son and "time"
[13:08] <shantorn> hands on*
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[13:09] <shantorn> i am almost 49 and have lots of patiance and many years with linux so teaching is easy for me
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm older ...
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> (but only by 6 years :)
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[13:10] <shantorn> i gave her a small notebook and pencil to keep in it and we write everything down she learns since there are 2 weeks between visits , it keeps her in touch with the learning
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[13:12] <shantorn> for christmas i bought her a 16 led neopixel ring that we are going to learn to solder wires to and set up this weekend
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> excellent.
[13:13] <shantorn> she wants another one and gogles to make steampunk stuff
[13:14] <shantorn> this girl is what i wanted my other three to be lol
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> ...other three ... (eek! :)
[13:15] <shantorn> my son was was my hoep but he was my outdoorsman
[13:15] <shantorn> i have 4 kids
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I have none...
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> just 4 nieces...
[13:15] <shantorn> other peoples kids are ok too
[13:15] <shantorn> lol
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[13:31] <FriesAndSriracha> How do you make your kids a nerd?
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[13:31] <FriesAndSriracha> Is there any systematic procedures on that
[13:31] <HoloIRCUser1> Hello guys!
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[13:31] <FriesAndSriracha> Any research papers?
[13:32] <sbef> My mother will need her personal computer, so I prepared one for her. Unlcukily both mind and hers need to stay under my desk ughhhhh
[13:32] <sbef> About an year ago I had to do the same... But using two mouse and 2 keyboards has been so damn annoying!
[13:32] <FriesAndSriracha> I know lol
[13:33] <sbef> So I looked for a solution, and actually everything involved buying stuff etcetera and I'm a pretty broke guy eheheh
[13:33] <FriesAndSriracha> It gets confusing
[13:33] <FriesAndSriracha> Same situation here
[13:33] <sbef> What about attaching my keyboard to my raspberry and forwarding the singnal to both computers through it?
[13:33] <sbef> Would it be possible?
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[13:34] <sbef> FriesAndSriracha: i see I'm not the only one hating that situation!
[13:34] <FriesAndSriracha> Yep ;)
[13:34] <sbef> We need to find a solution
[13:35] <shantorn> you can always use a remote desktop connection
[13:37] <mfa298> for sharing a keyboard and mouse between several systems take a look at synergy
[13:37] <mfa298> (assuming each pc has its own screen)
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> or use a KVM.
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[13:38] <sbef> Each one uses the same screen
[13:38] <sbef> But I think it's fine, though
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[13:39] <sbef> The remote desktop connection it's not going to be "laggish"? I use my computer to game occasionally :/
[13:39] <mfa298> if you're sharing keyboard/mouse and monitor between them then KVM is the way (or vnc/rdp)
[13:40] <sbef> Ok, I will look for it
[13:40] <sbef> Thank you!
[13:40] <FriesAndSriracha> You mean KVM switches?
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[13:41] <mfa298> yes. they've been around for decades for just that purpose.
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[14:45] <HSKW> hello to all
[14:47] <HSKW> i've an Weather Station Ws1080 that is recognized as HID interface, i don'twant hid interface and i decided to use the rmmod usbhid, but raspian give a me error that is built in the kernel, how i can use rmmod usbhid on raspberry?
[14:48] <teatime> HSKW: perhaps that is not the correct solution to your problem
[14:48] <teatime> what is the exact problem that causes, by the way?
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[14:49] <teatime> is it generating, like, spurious input as if it were a keyboard? or are you just expecting to be access to use it via a different interface?
[14:50] <churai> hi all, Im trying to change raspbian so it will ask kme for a password for sudo commands, but can't see the line in sudoers, %sudoers (ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL can anyone help with this?
[14:51] <HSKW> teatime: No well i must load another module instead the usbhid
[14:51] <shauno> you might want to take a look at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/55495/prevent-usbhid-from-claiming-usb-device
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> churai, look in /etc/sudoers.d
[14:51] <shauno> (short version: use the usbhid.quirks cmdline parameter to stop usbhid from claiming that device)
[14:52] <shauno> because usbhid isn't a module, there's no removing it or "instead of". but you can tell it to keep its paws off this device
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[14:53] <churai> aha , perfect thanks!
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[14:57] <HSKW> shauno: ok i will try to add to cmdline.txt the usbhid.quirks=0x1941:0x8021:0x4
[14:59] <shauno> okay, this amuses me; https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/1941/8021
[15:00] <shauno> that device is listed as "WH1080 weather station / USB Missile Launcher"
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[15:00] <HSKW> shauno: exactly! but i dont wat to use HID
[15:01] <HSKW> i will try http://te923.fukz.org
[15:01] <shauno> yeah I got that. I just thought the addition of "usb missile launcher" was funny. it seems it's a device id that's commonly used (which they're not meant to do), which is why the kernel can't make a good guess
[15:02] <shauno> I also see someone else saying his drum kit shows up with the same id
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[15:04] <HSKW> LOL
[15:04] * BurtyB blames the usb peeps for that one
[15:05] <shauno> it's just the same mess you get when vendors re-use MAC addresses. the day you end up with two on the same network, stuff starts going wrong in weird, wonderful, and entirely nonobvious ways
[15:05] <shauno> they're supposed to be unique for a reason. and vendor:device are meant to be unique to stop exactly this happening
[15:06] <HSKW> shauno: is possible to fake or wrap the vendor:device ?
[15:07] <HSKW> i woult try to fake this to make an binary to try to work
[15:07] <BurtyB> shauno, yeah - tho I have an OUI so I can fix that one ;)
[15:07] <shauno> I've no idea. but it sounds like that'd just make messy, messier
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[15:10] <HSKW> shauno: i try to fake direct the binary LOL
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[15:17] <shauno> did you reboot with that usbhid.quirks bit yet?
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[15:18] <HSKW> yes and now usb hid not show on dmesg ;)
[15:18] <shauno> I'd probably stick with the simpler solution then ;)
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[15:20] <HSKW> shauno: nothing to do... i can't add the weather station to the domoticz running on raspberry :(((
[15:20] <HSKW> thanks for the help how to stop usbhid without recompile kernel :D
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[15:28] <HSKW> here i'm :D
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[15:32] <katnip> hey shauno
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[15:32] <katnip> are you in ireland?
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[15:34] <shauno> I am
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[15:37] <katnip> still run a mac? :)
[15:37] <katnip> or freebsd
[15:39] <shauno> ah, you still have yarddog in your whois. ruins the attempts at being creepy ;)
[15:40] <katnip> hahah yeah
[15:40] <katnip> i thought you were who you are
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[15:42] <katnip> i have a rpi now but i need a project, also, the mac i had died, went about 2 weeks without a computer and irc'd from my phone, a friend sent me this computer, ended up running openSUSE on it :)
[15:43] <shauno> your friend has an admirable sense of humour
[15:43] <katnip> he's been very good to me
[15:43] <katnip> now he's mad at me :)
[15:44] <katnip> but he's helped me twice, and even my wife's computer
[15:44] <katnip> i cant complain :)
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[15:45] <katnip> how are you doing now?
[15:45] <katnip> i see you in here a lot
[15:46] <shauno> it happens. I love the sound of my own voice, as it were. but actually waiting for a bus right now, so I'll go quiet shortly
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[15:54] <katnip> have a good day shauno
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[16:05] <squirrel> woot, my official rpi psu is here
[16:05] <squirrel> brb giving my baby the love she deserves
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[16:06] <HSKW> squirrel: what is?
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[16:16] <squirrel> HSKW: the official psu, i've stupidly been running it off some random chinese psu up to now
[16:16] <squirrel> also a heatsink ♥
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[16:27] <mk-fg> Will a magical and suddenly popular only-rpi-can-mine-it cryptocurrency be a best thing or a worst thing for rpi?
[16:28] <mk-fg> (was just asked same thing about bitcoin vs video cards and dunno how to answer)
[16:28] <BurtyB> unlikely to ever exist so I wouldn't worry about it
[16:28] <mk-fg> Sure, but point is helping me figure out how to reply to similar question! :)
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[16:30] <mk-fg> On one hand random gamer suddenly finds video cards costing 2x-5x, otoh they're selling like hot cakes, helping vendors
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[16:33] <mfa298> If a crypto can be mined on the Pi then it could probably be mined on any other CPU system (and probably better)
[16:33] <ali1234> it will not happen because rpi is out computed by a PC running an arm emulator
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[16:34] <mk-fg> Hence "magical"
[16:34] <mk-fg> Also, you're no fun
[16:34] <ali1234> if its magic you can give any answer you want and it will be correct
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[16:35] <mk-fg> Don't really see why you'd think that, unless answer can also contain a magic
[16:36] <ali1234> garbage in, garbage out
[16:37] <ali1234> the real answer is it would be bad, because everyone who aanted to use an rpi for programming would have to buy some other computer
[16:37] <mfa298> seeing that a magical Rpi only coin is impossible (or so close to impossible to make no difference) to create the question isn't worth spending time on
[16:37] <mk-fg> That's fair
[16:37] <ali1234> then when your altcoin inevitably crashes all the miners will throw their rpi in the bin and rpi will go bust because everyone else already switched to a competitor
[16:38] <mk-fg> Hmm, good point, in case of rpi-only there'd be tons of competitors in "cheap arm board" field
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[16:39] <BurtyB> but it wouldn't work on those as it magically only works on rpi...
[16:39] <mk-fg> And even in a "cheap computer" if that'd apply to arm in general
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[16:39] <tristero> LOL http://ponzicoin.co/home.html
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[16:40] <mk-fg> So guess applying that to video card market, there'd be trouble for amd/nvidia as second-hand market floods with cheap cards from miners while no one's making games for high-end unobtainable hw in the meantime
[16:40] <mk-fg> ali1234, Thanks!
[16:40] <ali1234> yes, you got it
[16:40] <mk-fg> Well, one option, ofc :)
[16:41] <mk-fg> Not like I'm an oracle or economist, but some theory is at least a start
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[18:02] <_matix> hey guys, i'm confused about my pi setup
[18:02] <sammysands> what's confusing _matix
[18:03] <_matix> i have a pi zero, wiring is literally just one wire: ground plugged into GPIO
[18:03] <_matix> when I read from the GPIO, it's reading a 1
[18:03] <_matix> and when i remove the connection from ground-GPIO it reads a 0
[18:03] <_matix> i've tried multiple different ground pins
[18:05] <mk-fg> Maybe reading from wrong gpio pin and randomly get that correlation as it floats?
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I'd check the pins yuo're using. type@ gpio readall to get a printout.
[18:06] <_matix> mk-fg: in the script i'm watching for edge changes and it distinctly changes when i plug the wire in / remove it. i see the random changes when i plug the wire into an unpowered breadboard... it's definitely not the same issue
[18:06] <_matix> gordonDrogon ok I will look. I was using GPIO17.
[18:06] <_matix> @gpio readall
[18:07] <_matix> @gpio
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> no @... I mistyped @ for :
[18:07] <_matix> :gpio readall
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[18:07] <_matix> gpio readall
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[18:07] <_matix> lol
[18:07] <_matix> (sorry for spam)
[18:08] <mk-fg> Pretty sure gordondrogon meant in the console, yeah :)
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[18:08] <mk-fg> "gpio" is from wiringpi package, might be pre-installed on raspbian
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> yes ... type it into your Pi ...
[18:08] <_matix> lol
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[18:08] <_matix> just understood that from an article
[18:08] <mk-fg> Did you check/monitor stuff via sysfs?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> mk-fg, gah. old fashioned.
[18:09] <mk-fg> I.e. /sys/class/gpio/...
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> mk-fg, stop it.
[18:09] <mk-fg> Just asking
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> _matix, do you have an LED and a resistor?
[18:09] <mk-fg> Stop bullying me! :)
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> mk-fg, then learn easier methods. gpio -g read 17 for example.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> much easier than arcane ways to set pin modes and read them.
[18:10] <mk-fg> Eh, sure, doesn't affect my question though
[18:10] <_matix> gordonDrogon: no LED.. i wrote a script to pretend to be an oscilloscope lol.
[18:10] <_matix> so i just read the voltage back into the pi & chart it
[18:11] <_matix> i didn't want to wait for another order of parts..
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> the voltage is either 3.3v or 0v. there is no analog input on the Pi by default.
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> to read that pin, just type gpio -g read 17
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> no need to write a script, program or anything.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> with nothing connected it ought to read 1. If you short it to 0v then it ought to read 0.
[18:12] <_matix> gordonDrogon: no gpio
[18:12] <_matix> what package is it in?
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install wiringpi
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> I guess you're running raspbian-lite then.
[18:13] <_matix> i believe so. i took the smallest download.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> wiringpi is a set of libraries to access the gpio in various ways - it comes with a utility program called 'gpio' which lets you do stuff from the command line without writing code.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> e.g. gpio readall
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> it should only take a few seconds to install - are you there yet?
[18:16] <_matix> yeah i'm just trying to understand the pinout
[18:16] <_matix> cause clearly i'm misunderstanding something
[18:16] <_matix> there is no GPIO 17 on the output
[18:16] <_matix> only BCM 17
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> bcm 17 is gpio 17
[18:17] <_matix> but i thought BCM == GPIO
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> is physical pin 11
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> bcm is just broadcom. it's the pin numbers in the internal register in the gpio part of the chip.
[18:17] <_matix> ok yes, BCM 17 == Physical 11.. but for some reason it's named "GPIO. 0"
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> yes it is also named gpio.0
[18:17] <_matix> ok
[18:17] <_matix> but that number is not significant?
[18:18] <_matix> and i can refer to the pin as GPIO 17
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> well... it is, but you can ignore that for now.
[18:18] <_matix> ok so indeed it's reading 0
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command understands 3 different pin numbering schemes. it's own ones (gpio 0), native bcm ones Use -g) or physical ones (-1)
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> so gpio -g read 17
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> will read physical pin 11
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> gpio -1 read 11 does the same.
[18:19] <_matix> great. so that confirms things are working for me and my ground is indeed at 0
[18:19] <_matix> :P
[18:19] <_matix> ok. i'll keep looking for my problem then
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> what's the problem?
[18:20] <_matix> trying to get a temperature sensor running
[18:20] <_matix> haven't been able to get output from it
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> what type of sensor?
[18:20] <_matix> DHT12
[18:20] <_matix> it's adafruit i believe
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> that needs code to run.
[18:20] <_matix> yeah
[18:20] <_matix> but i couldn't even find it with i2cdetect
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> it's not just a matter of plugging it in and reading the pin.
[18:20] <_matix> it would show up on the bus
[18:20] <_matix> so my wiring is messed up
[18:21] <_matix> it *wouldn't* show up on the bus **
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> hm. I thought the dht12 wasn't i2c..
[18:21] <_matix> apparently it has 2 methods
[18:22] <_matix> for reading
[18:22] <_matix> there's a single line communication
[18:22] <_matix> and i2c
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> hm. I've only used the dht22's.
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> so i2cdetect -y 1 returns nothing?
[18:23] <_matix> i've tried both, including premade scripts from adafruit's github.. finally observed in the end that my "ground" line that was going to the sensor was reading a 1..
[18:23] <_matix> yeah bus is empty
[18:24] <_matix> i should've ordered LEDs xD
[18:24] <_matix> maybe i can find some old electronics with an LED in em to tear apart
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> If you use it in single-pin mode, so 3 wires to the sensor, then this might help:
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g -x rht03:200:17 aread 17
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> the data pin would need to be connected to the pi on pin bcm_17/physical 11
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[18:26] <_matix> gordonDrogon: does that send the initiation signal ?
[18:26] <_matix> and then read?
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> it uses the 1 wire protocol
[18:27] <_matix> ok great
[18:27] <_matix> i'm just amazed by the one-liner
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> not "1-wire", but the maxdetect variant that those sensors use.
[18:27] <_matix> 3:200:17 are the milliseconds for high low high?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> no
[18:27] <_matix> oh
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> rht03 is the device (they all use the same driver), 200 is the new virtual pin and 17 is the bcm_pin it's connected to.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is a pin based library, new devices are given new pin numbers (any number you like, 200 is easy to type)
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[18:29] <GrandPa-G> I just want to confirm that the typical 7" touch screen can be programmed to respond to sliding one's finger up and down the screen? Does it basically look like mouse movements?
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> GrandPa-G, Yes.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> with the left-button held down.
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[18:29] <GrandPa-G> drag and drop (sorta) thanks
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> there are funky ways to emulate the right button but I've never bothered.
[18:30] <shauno> that's how the foundation's display works. 'typical' is awkward because there seems to be no such thing as a typical screen
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> I had the same on the 5" Adafruit hdmi screen though.
[18:30] <GrandPa-G> i just want to have the user slide up down to control a servo to raise/lower
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[18:31] <GrandPa-G> shauno: that is like I am a typical programmer and that is REALLY awkard
[18:31] <shauno> it's the same on pretty much anything that's supported, yeah. 'typical' just troubles me because I'm used to seeing people buying random displays off aliexpress and then wondering how to drive them
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> shauno, the SPI ones, yea, )-:
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> But they work with the Pi ... Honest ...
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[19:55] <r0b-> I know this has probably been done.. can anyone point me to a guide to use my pi as a wireless to wired bridge?
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[19:57] <teatime> are you running a gui? if so, which one?
[19:58] <teatime> and also, what are you currently using to configure/manage the network? could be /etc/network/interfaces aka ifupdown, or networkmanager, or wicd, or systemd-networkd,….
[19:58] <teatime> r0b-: ↑
[19:58] <r0b-> I am going to use the commandline.
[19:58] <r0b-> ifupdown.
[20:00] <teatime> r0b-: and you want it to be a client on the WLAN, and then provide internet to ethernet-connected wired host(s), right?
[20:00] <r0b-> yes
[20:02] <teatime> well fwiw network-manager and maybe other similar tools have it built-in, point-and-clickable, if you are running the gui.</aside>
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[20:03] <teatime> I can think of three options, 0) use NAT and it ends up being setup exactly as if it were an edge router, except swap the wifi and eth device names. would be my least preferred.
[20:04] <teatime> 1) this page (including the beginning, but linking to something particularly relevant) should point out all or most of the things you need to know etc., perhaps not in a convenient order: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
[20:04] <r0b-> Well its a Model B with 256MB ram so
[20:05] <teatime> 2) listed as an alternative to #1 above, but may be the easier of the two: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnectionsProxyArp
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[20:09] <r0b-> hmmm
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[20:11] <r0b-> probably over my head to try and do this
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[20:16] <teatime> r0b-: you can use NetworkManager w/o gui, and use the 'nmtui' front-end for configuring it; it's a user-friendly ncurses interface.
[20:16] <teatime> r0b-: for some reason I am thinking NetworkManager is not the default on Raspbian
[20:16] <teatime> let me make sure there's not a good reason
[20:17] <Lartza> dhcpcd is the default
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[20:17] <teatime> well, as part of ifupdown
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[20:24] <teatime> r0b-: looks like it should work fine
[20:24] <puff> Good afternoon.
[20:25] <teatime> r0b-: this little tutorial may be helpful for the first part (switching to networkmanager & getting the wifi iface configured and connected to the internet): http://gary-dalton.github.io/RaspberryPi-projects/rpi_nmcli.html
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[20:42] <Lartza> teatime, That tutorial doesn't tell how to turn off the current system...
[20:42] <Lartza> So you'll just end up with a borken network since both dhcpcd and NM are running
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[20:43] <redrabbit> NetworkManager always have been a nuisance on cli only for me
[20:43] <Lartza> It's definitely not at it's best on CLI
[20:44] <Blubberbub> Can one suggest a Serial/USB-Thingy for a Raspberry? The Prolific thing i got was a pain to get working on windows because of driver weirdness and i think i just fried it. :/
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[20:44] <redrabbit> Blubberbub: fake chip right
[20:45] <redrabbit> https://aliexpress.com/item/Aluminum-shell-CP2102-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART-Module-6Pin-Serial-Converter-STC-Replace-FT232/32673467746.html
[20:47] <redrabbit> best ive owned out of a handful
[20:48] <Blubberbub> "Shipping: 28-56 Days" :D
[20:48] <redrabbit> usually 2 weeks for me
[20:49] <redrabbit> its good quality worth the wait at this price.
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[20:49] <Blubberbub> i'm in germany, so it probably also has to go through customs
[20:50] <Lartza> It doesn't necessarily go through any special screening, there are so many packets
[20:50] <redrabbit> im in france i never paid anything extra Blubberbub
[20:50] <Blubberbub> k.
[20:50] <Lartza> It's not about paying extra, just time
[20:50] <Blubberbub> I will probably just try it :D
[20:50] <redrabbit> you get great value for your money.
[20:50] <Blubberbub> Thanks :)
[20:50] <Lartza> Also isn't the custom limit something like 20€? Is in finland at least
[20:50] <Blubberbub> I have no clue
[20:50] <Lartza> To even have to pay VAT
[20:51] <redrabbit> its 100% worth it for that item
[20:51] <ali1234> its £15 in the UK but it is different all over europe. some places there is no minimum
[20:51] <redrabbit> the bare chip that are cheaper are a pain to plug on and off
[20:52] <redrabbit> bare board with an usb connector
[20:52] <ali1234> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CP2102-MICRO-USB-to-UART-TTL-Module-6Pin-Serial-Converter-STC-Replace-FT232-VEM44-P31/32670729803.html
[20:52] <ali1234> those
[20:52] <redrabbit> not the worst
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[20:52] * BurtyB pets his stock of ft234 :)
[20:52] <redrabbit> i have a couple in a bag brand new
[20:52] <redrabbit> lol
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[20:53] <redrabbit> i "needed" them
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[21:06] <teatime> Lartza: I'm pretty sure I disagree with all of that you said.
[21:06] <Lartza> teatime, ?
[21:06] <Lartza> Where does the tutorial indicate how to disable dhcpcd :S
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[21:07] <teatime> Lartza: I am not in a position to double-check at the moment, but the default system for configuring networking is not dhcpcd (or whatever you said), but instead ifupdown.
[21:07] <teatime> the steps the tutorial has you take in the interfaces file are sufficient to turn those devices over to networkmanager managemengt
[21:08] <Lartza> teatime, It's dhcpcd in stretch and /etc/network/interfaces in jessie or wheezy
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[21:08] <teatime> I don't beleive you. again I can't double-check myself atm.
[21:09] <teatime> the only error/omission, is the same one every ifupdown/interfaces-related documentation makes: It forgets to tell you to 'ifupdown' an interface *before* you delete it's configuration from the interfaces file, or it'll get into a broken state and not know how to afterward.
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[21:09] <Lartza> teatime, https://www.modmypi.com/blog/tutorial-how-to-give-your-raspberry-pi-a-static-ip-address
[21:09] <teatime> but even in that case, it all comes up as expected at the next reboot.
[21:09] <Lartza> teatime, https://www.modmypi.com/blog/how-to-give-your-raspberry-pi-a-static-ip-address-update
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[21:09] <Lartza> wheezy was apparently the last one that used /etc/network/interfaces
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[21:10] <teatime> And finally, you steered him away from NetworkManager, but he had the perfect use-case for it (the manual / low-level cli configuration for the task was daunting to him), and I assume you've not used nmtui because it's literally laid out exactly like the nm-applet/nm-connection-editor GUIs
[21:10] <Lartza> I just agreed NetworkManager works much better with GUI
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[21:11] <Lartza> Everyone is free to try and use whatever they like and make their own mind
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[21:12] <teatime> Lartza: that claims that change happened in Jessie, but I still do not beleive this.
[21:13] <Lartza> I think that's your issue, not mine
[21:13] <Lartza> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=140252
[21:14] <Lartza> literally starts with "Since the move to Jessie, we've had to change the way we give our Raspberry Pi's a static IP address . Rather than setting it in /etc/network/interfaces, it has to be done in /etc/dhcpcd.conf."
[21:14] <teatime> well /etc/network/interfaces is and has been working fine on my rpi stretch and jessie hosts, and debian does not do any weird shit of that nature as of stretch.
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[21:14] <teatime> you just linked me to the same document again
[21:15] <Lartza> No I didn't
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[21:15] <Lartza> I've given you three different links
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[21:19] <teatime> ok, I admit, it looks like they do set it up like that out of the box
[21:19] <teatime> do you have any idea what the motivation is for that?
[21:19] <teatime> it's not mentioned in any of these
[21:19] <Lartza> I haven't even found an official word on that it was changed
[21:20] <teatime> exactly
[21:20] <Lartza> Though, I imagine because /etc/network/interfaces is a rather obscure way of doing things in a sense
[21:20] <teatime> I assume I am overlooking something, but my guess thus far is someone just made a dumb change to raspbian
[21:20] <teatime> or a lazy one
[21:22] <Lartza> Maybe dhcpcd works better with systemd?
[21:23] <teatime> systemd has systemd-networkd because they have terminal NIH syndrome
[21:23] <Lartza> Since jessie was when debian switched to systemd
[21:24] <teatime> in Debian you get a basic interfaces configuration and ifupdown, for a minimal text install, and then if you install a desktop environment you will get networkmanager by default. they actually cooperate decently too.
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[21:25] <Lartza> I tend to use networkmanager in DE's myself, systemd-networkd or netctl on headless systems
[21:26] <Lartza> But I don't use debian, wrong principles for me
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[21:31] <teatime> I'm extremely meh on networkmanager but it's a convenient featureset on a laptop workstation. and just happened to be a convenient solution to r0b-'s needs.
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[21:32] <mfa298> I've not read much of the scrollback, but I think raspbian started changing to dhcpcd instead of /e/n/interfaces towards the end of wheezy, and certainly had changed for jessie
[21:33] <mfa298> aiui some people had various issues with the traditional /e/n/interfaces and also NetworkManager and dhcpcd worked in more of those cases
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[21:35] <teatime> Not dhpcd.conf ?
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[21:35] <teatime> *dhcpcd.conf
[21:35] <teatime> er, whoops wrong channel.
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[21:42] <shauno> most people seem to run into issues when they pic'n'mix. seems they all work, just maybe not all at the same time
[21:43] <teatime> Heh, earlier when I was discussing running vanilla Debian (armel or arm64, depending) on RPi, it was brought up that Raspbian is 'close enough' to Debian... and I concurred then. But this is the perfect example, of the sort of possibilities that would motivate me to run actual Debian vs. a derivative.
[21:43] <teatime> shauno: Well, yes, that is how it works.
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[21:44] <shauno> I realise that sounds "well, duh". but it doesn't seem to be how people approach it
[21:44] <teatime> I would like to know more about the design decision etc. made here, like mailing list threads and bug #'s, so that I can 1) research it more, and then if my current impression remains the same, I'll definitely work to help Raspbian un-do that mistake.
[21:45] <mfa298> it's pretty easy to change from dhcpcd to /e/n/interfaces if you want to.
[21:45] <teatime> yes, disable dhcpcd service and enable networking service.
[21:45] <Lartza> What's wrong with dhcpcd?
[21:46] <Lartza> It's feature rich and works for everyone
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[21:46] <teatime> yeah, you're just not getting what I'm gettting at.
[21:46] <mfa298> I think what I read about it was on the forums, probably in a post from jamesh
[21:47] <teatime> fuck I'm in the wrong channel again
[21:47] <mfa298> but I think the tl;dr version was that there are fewer issues for people using dhcpcd as the default vs any of the other methods.
[21:47] <teatime> sorry guys, I thought you were the #raspbien people for the last couple screens
[21:47] <teatime> I went there to ask about this weirdness.
[21:48] <teatime> they claim it doesn't even exist, like I said initially. but it obviously does.
[21:48] <teatime> mfa298: that is sad.
[21:48] <mfa298> it might be the difference between 1% having issues and 0.5% having issues, but with 15m boards that 0.5% difference is a lot of people
[21:49] <mfa298> and if you want peoples first exerience to be good then having the option that works for more people makes sense, otherwise you're having to handhold more people through debugging network issues who don't really understand what they're doing.
[21:50] <teatime> Speculation is not very informative.
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[21:57] <mfa298> I provided a hint as to where it was discussed (as best as I can remember), your ability to google is probably as good as mine.
[21:59] <Lartza> teatime, #raspbian doesn't actually make the images of raspbian afaik so they can be speaking the truth in a sense
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[21:59] <teatime> they're obviously not the developers etc.
[21:59] <Lartza> That is another possibility
[21:59] <teatime> that seems to be the *only* raspbian channel though, sigh
[21:59] <mfa298> if you want answers on the reasoning then a post on the main raspberrypi forum (possibly in the advanced category) mgiht be the place to ask, although I don't know how much the rpf folks read it over the weekends
[21:59] <teatime> I didn't mean to talk so much about it here, I just got confused
[21:59] <teatime> between channels.
[22:00] <teatime> #raspbian's initial answer was a split between "just do the dhcpcd.conf and stop worring about. ugh, n00bs!" and "no dude, you just use the interfaces file, *link to debian documentation*"
[22:00] <teatime> so who knows.
[22:00] <mfa298> well this covers all things RaspberryPi, and raspbian is the go to suggestion of OS to use so it's probably as good as place as #raspbian
[22:00] <teatime> When I do eventually get to the bottom of this, I will try to remember to make a short write-up and link y'all to it.
[22:00] <Lartza> Sounds like a great channel
[22:01] <Lartza> Maybe the people there haven't used raspbian since 2015 or something ;)
[22:01] <Lartza> Or never updated, it works(tm)
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[22:10] <superbia> hi there, can anyone reccomend me a good enclosure screen for rpi, or atleast some screen that plugs snugly and is stable?
[22:10] <superbia> i do not need touch
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[22:12] <teatime> Most of the offending change seems to be in the raspberrypi-net-mods package https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspberrypi-net-mods/blob/master/debian/changelog
[22:12] <teatime> and as I was beginning to expect, it's was just a matter of them rejiggering the interfaces file to not configure ethernet there, and running dhcpcd as a service instead. at least so far.
[22:12] <teatime> "* Remove configuration from interfaces file. / - Use DHCPCD to start wpa_supplicant instead" dated 2017-07-10.
[22:13] <teatime> and now I have a name for who to harass about his reasoning.
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[22:32] <swift110> hey all
[22:34] <Warmy> Hello
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[22:41] <swift110> how are you Warmy
[22:41] <swift110> Has anyone made a weather station with their pis
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[22:46] <Warmy> Im good swift110 i think ive seen that projekt on reddit at some point.
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> swift110, yes - sort of.
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[23:41] <puff> Hm, I'm looking at this adafruit "Spy Camera for Raspberry Pi": https://www.adafruit.com/product/1937
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[23:42] <puff> For the Raspberry Pi Camera Board v2, adafruit has ribbon cable extenders, but the photo for the spy camera shows a different sort of ribbon cable. I'm not having any luck finding an extender specifically for the spy camera.
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[23:49] <Skaag> anyone here knows of a cheap kvm over ip that does hdmi?
[23:49] <Skaag> for example to control a remote pi
[23:49] <Skaag> just hdmi + usb keyboard and mouse
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[23:50] <redrabbit> can i disable the green led on the rpi0w
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[23:54] <Skaag> you can remove it with a heat gun
[23:54] <Skaag> or you can paint it black with black nail polish
[23:54] <Skaag> :)
[23:54] <Skaag> (probably simpler)
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[23:55] <Skaag> how to get nail polish: go to a dating site, and find an emo girl. She will have black nail polish. Bonus: You get to date an emo girl!
[23:56] <redrabbit> i know. im asking with software
[23:56] <puff> Is there a preferred pastebin site here?
[23:56] <redrabbit> heat gun sounds like the worst idea
[23:56] <puff> Skaag: I'm sure blackbox has one but it won't be cheap.
[23:56] <redrabbit> id rather snap it off
[23:56] <Skaag> why not just paint it black?
[23:57] <redrabbit> that's silly
[23:57] <Skaag> permanent marker, easy
[23:57] <puff> Or solder it off maybe?
[23:57] <Lartza> puff, I don't think there's a certain preferred one. Just the usual avoid pastebin.com and prefer not stupid pastebins
[23:57] <puff> Lartza: Any suggestions?
[23:57] <redrabbit> nah might as well snap it off
[23:57] <redrabbit> no way with software?
[23:57] <Lartza> I personally use gist for anything
[23:57] <Skaag> no software way to disable it
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[23:57] <redrabbit> allright
[23:57] <Skaag> unless you wrote that software, and then you can change its behavior ;)
[23:58] <Skaag> but no.
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[23:59] <redrabbit> well you are wrong if found a way
[23:59] <redrabbit> echo 255 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/led0/brightness
[23:59] <redrabbit> strange... 255 shuts it down and 0 lits it
[23:59] <Skaag> another app can write a different value to that same file

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