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IRC Log for 2018-02-04

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[0:55] <Greg-J> HI all
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[0:59] <Greg-J> Anyone have any experience with the CM3?
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[1:03] <Greg-J> *crickets*
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[1:14] <GrandPa-G> does anyone know how to remove this error (or does it mean anything)?libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
[1:14] <GrandPa-G> I am running a python pyqt program
[1:15] <Greg-J> Have you tried https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com?
[1:15] <Greg-J> This place seems to be a ghost town.
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[1:21] <GrandPa-G> I've due digenence with Mr Google. Not much.
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[1:26] <stiv> Greg-J, as a general rule on irc, you are better off asking a specific question
[1:27] <Greg-J> Cheers stiv
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[1:28] <Greg-J> Are the GPIO pins on the Compute Module 3 functionally equivelant to the 40 pin GPIO on the raspberry pi 3? In that I mean: Is GPIO3 on the CM3 also SCL1 I2C, the GPIO14 also UART0_TXD, etc.?
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[1:28] <stiv> GrandPa-G, https://pi3d.github.io/html/FAQ.html
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[1:35] <shauno> Greg-J: they should be, but you can always run past the datasheet to compare ( https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/RPI-CM-DATASHEET-V1_0.pdf 9.1.1 gpio alternate functions ) (and despite the filename, that is for the cm3)
[1:35] <Greg-J> Awesome. Thank you!
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[1:37] <shauno> short version seems to be "yes", but this way you get to blame them instead of me if there's any bad news heh
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[1:39] <Greg-J> shauno I'm just doing the groundwork on PCB design. I have someone far more talented than myself to figure that stuff out. My goal is simply to determine if I can replicate the 40 pin GPIO from the pi2/3 with the CM3 Lite.
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[2:17] <asphyxia> thoughts on running pi hole on raspberry pi zero?
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[2:17] <asphyxia> perfect?
[2:18] <asphyxia> just after the cheapest option for my budget ass
[2:19] <AntiComposite> The network traffic required is very minimal, so if you've got the necessary adapters, it's not a bad option
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[5:02] <Demannu> Good evening gents. I've seen conflicting information in various forums and guides I've been through. Is it safe to power the Pi via the 5v GPIO rail?
[5:03] <Demannu> I've got an adafruit powerboost 1000 charger. I've seen it mainly on the Pi zero powered via GPIO 5v. But I've also seen it on some RPI3 guides, however the majority of the RPI3 ones cautioned against it specifically
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[5:51] <thallada> Demannu: I've done that before and I corrupted two sd cards before I switched to the usb power :(
[5:52] <thallada> It may have been my fault for bumping the wires since I just had it plugged in via a breadboard
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[6:31] <Demannu> thallada: I pulled up the schema and figured out that I would only be able to get 500ma out of it and I need a bit more than that for this build. So I opted to make a USB cable for it
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[6:32] <Demannu> Appreciate the experience view, this Pi is going to be heavily mobile so that helped me decide
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[6:37] <Greg-J> What pins are ID_SD and ID_SC on the Compute Module 3? I don't see them on the pinout anywhere...
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[6:57] <shodty> hey guys...I am a graphic designer working on an installation piece, and wanted to look into using a raspberry pi to power multiple tiny lcd screens (a video wall essentially). from a preliminary search, it looks like most multiple monitor pi setups require 1 raspberry pi per monitor unless you are mirroring the screens.
[6:57] <shodty> is it possible to run multiple screens off a single pi?
[7:00] <nicedreams> the video chip can't handle it
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[7:00] <nicedreams> so need one pi per
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[8:29] <Greg-J> I'm designing a board for the CM3L and have some extra pins available on the board. Is there any good reason to provide 1.8v pins just because I have it available? I can't think of anything I would need 1.8v for off the top of my head.
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[8:37] <shauno> I'd actively avoid it, to be honest. the cpu is very sensitive to sag on that line, so anything that needs 1v8 is better off derriving its own
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[9:14] <Demannu> If I were to use a toggle switch on the GPIO, I shouldn't need any resistors right? I'm hoping to have a few flip toggle style switches to start various programs/services.
[9:14] <Demannu> The python script would watch for pin high/low as it'd be pulled high by default
[9:14] <Demannu> I just wanna sanity check since it's 3am :3
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[9:25] <mk-fg> Demannu, It's best to add resistors (of any high value) - safe if the pin is in input mode, but if you ever accidentally switch it to output when switch is on you get short circuit
[9:29] <Demannu> Ah, good call mk-fg. I'll add one to be safe. My logic with the python is correct too? When switch is "on" it'll deliver 3.3 or "high" to the GPIO. When it's "off" then it'll be "low"
[9:29] <mk-fg> Be sure to enable internal pull-down resistor on that pin to get it into "low"
[9:30] <mk-fg> If nothing is connected to it when switch is off, state is called "floating" - it'll pick up EM waves, essentially :)
[9:30] <mk-fg> (i.e. can be high or low at random)
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> it's not random, it's fixed at boot time, however...
[9:32] <mk-fg> You mean pull-down is default-enabled on boot?
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> pull up/downs - they're set at power on actually.
[9:34] <mk-fg> Fair enough, thought these are not used by default on rpi
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> Demannu, the powerboost 1000c is limited to 2 amps normally, although the datasheet says a peak of 2.5 amps - that might be why they suggest it's marignal on a v3. Personally I'd use it - I'm using them on Zeros with great results.
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[9:35] <gordonDrogon> sadly, no, people don't understand the pull up/downs )-:
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> SoC makers put them in because they're relativeyl cheap/free - to save people adding external resistors which are not - especialyl if you're making millions of something.
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> I never use external limiting resistors for simple switches, but I sort of trust myself..
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[9:37] <Demannu> gordonDrogon: I've got the powerboost working with the Pi power and such. The low battery indicator is working well now too :) Just working on turning on pi services via physical buttons
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[9:38] <gordonDrogon> Demannu, note that the low battery output is technically outside the limits of the Pi's 3.3v gpio - however that doesn't stop me using it...
[9:39] <Demannu> I put a voltage divider on it
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> ok. it's only about 4 volts though and pulled to Vbatt via a couple of resistors. I never bothered.
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> A Pi 0w runs for about 20 minutes after it's pulled low - I imagine a v3 will run for half that, or a little less, but still loads of time for a shutdown.
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> what size LiPO are you using?
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[11:21] <krautguy> hello everyone. i have a raspberry pi 2. and i found an old Samsung Mobile Phone Power Supply that fits into the plug. There is written: "Output: 5.0V--- ... 0,7A" on it. Would it be enough to power my Pi?
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> it's marginal.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> do you have a screen connected to it?
[11:23] <krautguy> no
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> ok. might be handy to see if you see the low-power indicator (lightning bolt) on the screen.
[11:24] <krautguy> my plan would be, to power the pi, a keyboard and a game controller
[11:24] <krautguy> ahh okay, i have a tv, i will try
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> I suggest a better PSU.
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[11:25] <krautguy> i just ask because i dont know what happens if it is to weak.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> well - it may work - you may also experience SD card corruption.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> however it might be worth a try - until you can buy a proper PSU.
[11:26] <zleap> gordonDrogon: ah that is what that means, i thought it was something like that
[11:26] <ShorTie> most likely need a better micro-usb cable then came with it i'd guess
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> zleap, you get a big thermometer icon too if it's overheating.
[11:26] <zleap> i think the new psu units are rated at 2.5 A
[11:26] <zleap> gordonDrogon: ah, not seen that yet, thankfully
[11:27] <zleap> but then i don't have my pi in a case so it is open to the air, not that it helps that much,
[11:27] <krautguy> ah okay, i will buy a new one, tomorrow, when the stores open again. but today there is everything closed
[11:27] <ShorTie> if buying, i'd get the chromebook psu, which is 5.25v@3amps
[11:27] <zleap> yeah i think it is 5.25V
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[11:43] <krautguy> oh you were right, it shows the lightning-symbol. so not enough power
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> well, technically, not enough voltage. if you have a multimeter it might be worthwhile mesuring it just for interest.
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> however to get to that point, it's probably booted.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> a common issue with Pi and reliability is the power supply (or lack of power from the supply)
[11:48] * ShorTie Thinkz, the micro-usb cable play a very very BIG roll on the power supplied, i'd check to see if it has 22 or 24 awg printed on it
[11:49] <ShorTie> 22 be better
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[11:50] <ShorTie> cheap tensle coated plastic wire phone charging cords do not work well
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[11:52] <krautguy> oh may i ask another question about the power supplies?
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[11:53] <ShorTie> don't ask to ask, just ask
[11:53] <ShorTie> if'n anybody knows, they usally answer
[11:54] <krautguy> i just found a different samsung power supply. it says "Output: 9.0V 1,67A OR 5.0V 2.0A" ... if i plug it into the raspberry, would it choose the right Voltage automatically?
[11:54] <ShorTie> nop
[11:54] <Lartza> krautguy, That's a charger, not a power supply
[11:54] <krautguy> oh okay
[11:55] <Lartza> As is possibly your current one?
[11:55] <Lartza> Ah yeah it is
[11:56] <ShorTie> get sumfin like this ebay 282823287550
[11:56] <Lartza> ShorTie, You do know you can't search ebay listings by the ID...?
[11:57] <Lartza> To open that one has to find an existing listing, then paste that ID in place of the url
[11:57] <krautguy> i just wondered, if i had a chance for now. but i think i really should wait for stores opening tomorrow and buy a decent one
[11:58] <ShorTie> so just skip google and go straight to ebay, then it works
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[11:59] <mk-fg> Don't you have 5V charger for any smartphone/tablet? These are usually 5V/2A or such
[11:59] <Lartza> ShorTie, "Your search ebay 282823287550 does not match any page."
[11:59] <Lartza> mk-fg, Still the issue remains, chargers are not power supplies :/
[11:59] * ShorTie not arguing
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[12:00] <squirrel> ShorTie: just give us the link already
[12:00] <Lartza> It's the chromebook charger...
[12:01] <Lartza> Just get the official psu at the same price
[12:01] <ShorTie> but it's better, hehe
[12:01] <squirrel> mk-fg: i'm yet to see a 2A smartphone charger
[12:02] <mk-fg> Hm, aren't all the white samsung ones have 2A on them?
[12:02] <Lartza> squirrel, Then you haven't looked hard enough, I have at least one
[12:02] <mk-fg> Whether it's true, not sure, and dunno about charger-vs-psu, but should probably be better than 0.7A one
[12:02] <krautguy> jeah, i have a 5.0V = 2.0A Smartphone-Charger from Samsung
[12:03] <ShorTie> 1a should atleast get you a good boot
[12:03] <squirrel> a friend of mine just got s7, it's 1.5A
[12:03] <mk-fg> It is a PSU I think, as actual "charger" circuit is in the smartphone anyway
[12:03] <mk-fg> So maybe I'm wrong calling the thing charger
[12:03] <Lartza> mk-fg, No chargers are still chargers
[12:04] <mk-fg> Any link to explain that?
[12:04] <mk-fg> Dunno what's the big distinction there
[12:04] <Lartza> Charging doesn't involve powering things
[12:04] <Lartza> :S
[12:04] <Lartza> You just trickle current at a steady pace to a source that is tolerable to drops too
[12:04] <Lartza> vs a fast changing load on a board that doesn't tolerate dips under a certain voltage
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[12:05] <mk-fg> So distinction is that "chargers" voltage is more likely to sag under higher load than for "psu"?
[12:06] <Lartza> That's one scenario at least yes
[12:06] <squirrel> just plug your pi in and chek if it says it's undervolted https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82373
[12:06] <Lartza> squirrel, It does for the 0.7A charger :P
[12:06] <mk-fg> But psu's voltages sag as well, so that's more of a scale from crappier psu to better one, no?
[12:06] <Lartza> So now krautguy is buing one afaik
[12:06] <Lartza> mk-fg, A crappy PSU will of course be exactly that too, crappy
[12:07] <Lartza> It shouldn't drop the voltage like that though, unless chinesium
[12:07] <squirrel> well i had a 3A psu here that was undervolting my rpi
[12:07] <squirrel> so it's good to check anyway
[12:07] <mk-fg> But even ATX ones seem to do, so guess there isn't much a distinction in practice
[12:07] <squirrel> and run a $ stress -cpu 4 on it
[12:07] <Lartza> mk-fg, Mine doesn't? If it would my CPU wouldn't like it
[12:08] <mk-fg> squirrel, I'd suspect a cable first :)
[12:08] <Lartza> ^ if it was an actual psu and not a charger
[12:09] <mk-fg> Lartza, Guess you have better one, or just low enough load
[12:09] <squirrel> mk-fg: bult-in cable. it's just that i got in from an ebay auction for 20 cents
[12:09] <Lartza> If the rating isn't 5.1V the cable drop will be there even on a good cable
[12:09] <mk-fg> Depending on the cable, you get different resistance and different drop, no?
[12:09] <Lartza> mk-fg, I am not sure what you even mean overall. The ATX power rails have tolerances but dipping below those is NOT acceptable and means the supply is faulty
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[12:10] <Lartza> Just like the rpi has a tolerance over and under 5V
[12:10] <mk-fg> E.g. with 0.01mm copper wire and 2A load, you'd get very diff voltage than with 1mm copper wire under same load
[12:10] <Lartza> Can't remember the percentages
[12:11] <mk-fg> Yes, they have tolerances and PSU has max power rating, which when you go near you'd better check voltage in "sensors" output, as it starts dipping, in my experience
[12:11] <ShorTie> mk-fg, yup, that is why you need atleast 24awg for the power wires
[12:12] <Lartza> mk-fg, If you go over the power rating of the PSU all bets are off, near it should be fine or the PSU is bad
[12:12] <Lartza> Not faulty but bad
[12:13] <mk-fg> I'd bet all no-name ones are bad like that, and probably many cheap brand-names too
[12:13] <mk-fg> It's always in "chinese watts", which are not quite same unit :)
[12:13] <Lartza> Seasonic ftw
[12:13] <Lartza> Although currently I have a crappy corsair one
[12:14] <Lartza> It's not crappy because it's corsair, it's crappy because the fan bearing is failing after two years
[12:14] <mk-fg> Should be easy enough to replace at least
[12:14] <Lartza> I'm not going to open a PSU, don't want to get electrocuted
[12:14] <mk-fg> Thanks to whoever invented using all-standard fans in desktop machines :)
[12:15] <mk-fg> What, I've done that for like 10 psus by now, never got shocked
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[12:15] <Lartza> 240V?
[12:15] <mk-fg> ATX ones, 220V, yes
[12:15] <mk-fg> Though I think I did get 220V twice in my life
[12:15] <Lartza> I mean it's under warranty still but
[12:15] <Lartza> I have to send it to germany or wherever and that costs
[12:15] <mk-fg> Ah, yeah, guess that might be a better option
[12:15] <mk-fg> ...unless shipping costs
[12:16] <Lartza> 30-40€
[12:16] <mk-fg> Jesus
[12:16] <Lartza> I'm planning on sending my older seasonic one in that failed like a year ago ;)
[12:16] <Lartza> Since a new PSU is ~100€ anyways
[12:16] <mk-fg> It'll take you like 1h max to replace the thing
[12:16] <mk-fg> Depending on whether you'd need to re-solder the wires or it has a connector
[12:17] <mk-fg> Also, you'd get rid of a metric ton of dust in there
[12:17] <squirrel> 220V doesn't hurt much, except that one time when i was standing on two chairs while fixing a ceiling lamp that somehow still had power
[12:17] <Lartza> I use compressed air so probably not that much :P
[12:17] <mk-fg> Which is alway fun to do and watch the white clouds :)
[12:17] <Lartza> But some of course
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[12:55] <BCMM> squirrel: i mean, it really depends on how well you're earthed and the path it takes through your body
[12:56] <squirrel> i once got hit right hand to left hand, that's gotta be one of the worst ways
[12:58] <squirrel> the internet says hand to the opposite side leg is the worst
[12:59] <mk-fg> Guess leg is a better conductor due to larger cross-section than arm :)
[13:00] <mk-fg> Should single-sheet linoleum on the floor be enough isolation to touch 220V terminals by hand?
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[13:02] <mk-fg> Friend who works on a local power plant demonstrated over a beer putting screwdriver into wall socket and touching it with no shock while standing on the floor (reinforced concrete + linoleum on top) in socks, which I didn't think was safe at all
[13:02] <mk-fg> Yet he didn't think twice about it, said it was perfectly safe
[13:02] <BillD73> just why the heck would ya want tof ind out!?!?!? LOL
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[13:02] <mk-fg> I just still wonder if that's some kind of trick
[13:03] <mk-fg> Don't really want to try it out myself :)
[13:03] <squirrel> mk-fg: did he do both the holes?
[13:03] <mk-fg> No, obviously not :)
[13:04] <squirrel> i mean, one at a time
[13:04] <mk-fg> Well, yeah, putting screwdriver in either one at a time, right
[13:04] <squirrel> mhm
[13:04] <squirrel> i'd expect him at least to feel something idk
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> mk-fg, what country/voltage?
[13:07] <mk-fg> Russia, 220V
[13:09] <squirrel> так от оно чё
[13:09] <mk-fg> It was on 8th floor, but I think resistance through rebar down to earth would be pretty low, so only insulator seem to be that sheet of linoleum in that case
[13:09] <mk-fg> Да, так оно :)
[13:09] <Kochergan> ничё се
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> probably ok, but I'd not try it myself.
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[14:11] <linux_dream> hi people, i was wondering whether orange pi questions are supported here. (I havent bought an rpi nor orange pi, just asking in case i get an orange pi) thanks
[14:13] <zleap> well the organge Pi is compatible with the Raspberry pi but a different product so probably not it would depend on what you need help with
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[14:13] <zleap> i think the gpio pinout layout is teh same on one of them
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[14:14] <linux_dream> i see. hmm i better get an rpi just in case then
[14:14] <zleap> yeah
[14:14] <linux_dream> only 10 euros difference on amazon.fr
[14:15] <zleap> well getting a Pi helps the foundation with its work
[14:15] <linux_dream> another question i have is, do any of you have any idea of when will a rpi 4 be released? i think ill wait for it
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[14:15] <zleap> there has been no annoucement on that as far as I know
[14:15] <zleap> I would get a pi3
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[14:15] <linux_dream> coz the rpi3 is already what, 3 years old? im sure electronics have evolved toward the more efficient path
[14:16] <zleap> the only recent addiiton was the pi zeroHW which is a pi zero with the headers soldered on
[14:16] <linux_dream> if the rpi 4 will be released within the next 2 years ill just wait
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[14:17] <zleap> there are lots of single board computers out there, remember the primary goal of the foundation was to get peope intereste in computing, and make a device that kids can afford
[14:17] <zleap> people*
[14:17] <mfa298> we'll only know about the Pi4 when it's released, anyone that's in the known can't say anything about it until then.
[14:17] <zleap> indeed
[14:17] <linux_dream> ok
[14:18] <linux_dream> i was thinking maybe a dev was here, after all there's a single #rpi channel
[14:18] <Lartza> linux_dream, zleap, There was a statement on that, which was don't hold your breath
[14:18] <mfa298> the usualy time for big Pi announcments is end of Feb, but I think it's unlikely we'll hear about a Pi4 this year (maybe next year)
[14:18] <linux_dream> wait this means i just should get the rpi 3 then?
[14:18] <linux_dream> ok
[14:18] <zleap> yeah
[14:19] <linux_dream> ill wait until end of month then and see
[14:19] <zleap> ok
[14:19] <linux_dream> thanks a lot !
[14:19] <zleap> np
[14:19] <zleap> what do you want to develop anyway
[14:19] <mfa298> I'd just get the Pi3 for now. Depending on what you want to do it may well be good enough for most things.
[14:19] <Lartza> There's really not anything to improve to release a pi4 this year, or possibly the next year either
[14:19] <mfa298> or if you want something cheaper get a Pi0w.
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[14:20] <zleap> if you want more power, you can get more than 1 pi and cluster them
[14:21] <mfa298> if you're a beginner I'd also stay away from most of the other fruit Pi boards, they might appear to be faster/cheaper/better but the support is very lacking so you might just end with a paper weight
[14:21] <zleap> yeah you will be on your own for the most part, the community is much smaller
[14:22] <linux_dream> i just want to use it as a back up system (connect it to external hd via usb and back up my desktop pc through wifi)
[14:23] <zleap> ok
[14:23] <zleap> so a wireless NAS server sort of thing
[14:23] <linux_dream> maybe, i dont know what NAS is
[14:23] <zleap> network attached storage
[14:24] <Lartza> Do note that the pi is slow at that
[14:24] <Lartza> Or, fairly slow at least. Due to USB2
[14:24] <linux_dream> i would back up once or twice per day and i wouldnt use the external hard drive at all (unless my main pc hd dies)
[14:24] <linux_dream> so i dont care at all about speed
[14:24] <mfa298> pi3 would likely be as good as anything else for that. Pi0w might even manage although usb is a bit more of a pain
[14:24] <linux_dream> i have about 50 to 60 GB to back up in total
[14:25] <linux_dream> and once this is backed up, tiny changes per day
[14:25] <Lartza> So an hour or so I guess
[14:25] <zleap> mfa298: is there where you use rsync to just back up the changes made to files
[14:25] <linux_dream> 1 hour? nothing then. 0 problem
[14:25] <Lartza> Yeah deltas help
[14:25] <linux_dream> yeah ill use rsync
[14:25] <zleap> ok
[14:25] <linux_dream> with a cron job or systemd job
[14:26] <linux_dream> dependeing on whether raspbian has systemd
[14:26] <zleap> well raspbian uses systemd
[14:26] <zleap> but cron still works with systemd, i think
[14:26] <linux_dream> perfect then it will be a systemd service
[14:26] <Lartza> systemd has timers though :3
[14:26] <mfa298> raspbian is based on Debian (and is now on stretch) so has had systemd for a while
[14:26] <linux_dream> yes it does but i prefer to use systemd
[14:26] <Lartza> no need for cron
[14:27] <linux_dream> so that's about it. and i wouldnt have a screen or keyboard connected to the rpi (maybe unless I set it up for the 1st time).
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[14:27] <linux_dream> it would be turned on, and be iddle 99.99% of the time
[14:27] <zleap> if it is internal network you can set up ssh on it so if you do need to get in and tweak / fix something you can
[14:28] <linux_dream> ah great idea
[14:28] <zleap> can / could
[14:28] <zleap> but yeah use a monitor for initial testing / set up
[14:29] <mfa298> you can setup ssh to be enabled by sticking a file (called 'ssh') on the small fat partition, then you don't need the keyboard/monitor at all
[14:32] <linux_dream> oh well that would be nice
[14:34] <mfa298> you can also dump a wpa_supplicant.conf file in there to get it on wifi automatically.
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[15:53] <Shariff> Hi there
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[16:01] <Shariff> I have a RPI 2b and 3b I want to use openhab and kodi.. which would run best on which pi?
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[16:38] <mlelstv> kodi probably runs better on 3b
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[17:24] <Thedarkb> Hello.
[17:24] <Thedarkb> I bought a raspberry pi zero.
[17:24] <Thedarkb> How do I mess with the GPIO?
[17:25] <Thedarkb> Is it just memory mapped like an ISA slot?
[17:26] <akk> Thedarkb: Are you asking for writing kernel drivers? Most people use user-level libraries that don't care how it's implemented at a low level.
[17:26] <Thedarkb> Yes.
[17:26] <Thedarkb> I don't need to know how, but I want to.
[17:26] <Thedarkb> Is it somewhere in my /dev/mem?
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[17:28] <akk> I don't know, but this might be a place to start: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-gpio/blob/master/raspi-gpio.c
[17:28] <akk> then figure out what drivers it's talking to and read the source for those
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[17:29] <mfa298> most people will use the /sys interface for talking to gpio as it just works and is easy.
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[17:29] <mfa298> if you want to try clever stuff then it's memory mapped and I think is the same as the Pi1.
[17:29] <lungaro> i have a LCD using BCM2708_fb module (framebuffer), its a 3.5" (not touch) LCD. I want to rotate it. Checking the kernel sources, I see no rotate option. Is it possible another way?
[17:30] <Thedarkb> Yeah, it's memory mapped.
[17:30] <mfa298> but the base address does change between the Pi1 and Pi2/Pi3
[17:30] <Thedarkb> The GPIO kernel driver mirrors it to /dev/gpiomem
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[17:31] <mfa298> I think there might be some thigns you can't do through /dev/gpiomem (and have to use /dev/mem if you're going that way)
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[17:32] <Thedarkb> I could write my own driver.
[17:32] <mfa298> unless you want the learning experience you could also just use something like wiringPi which wraps it all into a nice library
[17:33] <Thedarkb> I kind of want the learning experience.
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[17:40] <Habbie> 16:31:11 mfa298 | I think there might be some thigns you can't do through /dev/gpiomem (and have to use
[17:40] <Habbie> if you manage to recall what things, i'm curious
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[17:41] <mfa298> Habbie: I think I've seen comments about pwm having issues, although that's only from seeing others talk about it.
[17:41] <Habbie> i thought PWM was DMAed from wherever you want
[17:41] <Thedarkb> I want to do an awful lot of PWM.
[17:42] <mfa298> Last time I played with such things there was only one model of Pi and gpiomem didnt exist
[17:42] <Habbie> mfa298, ah :)
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[17:48] <Thedarkb> Might be cool to put a backplane on the pi.
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> Thedarkb, pwm options are to use the pigpio library or to use an external (e.g. I2C) pwm controller.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has 2 hardware PWM channels. the pigpio library can make any pin be a pwm pin via a clever software/dma hack.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> the wiringPi library has a software pwm module which is ok for simple LED and motor control, but not servo control.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> the /dev/gpiomem interface won't let you change the pwm clock registers. If you try then you tend to crash the Pi )-:
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[18:02] <Demannu> gordonDrogon: I'm just waking up. We were speaking about the powerboost 1000c. You asked what battery I was using, it's a 2500mAh LiPo from adafruit.
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[18:03] <Demannu> gordonDrogon: This specific project is a travel with me project, it'll be connected to the solar panel in the car to trickle charge the LiPo while the Pi runs and then it'll be charging/available for charing while I'm in the office and at home.
[18:03] <Demannu> The battery is really for when the sun isn't shining and I'm driving and then moving between locations
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Demannu, ok. I get 7 hours on a Pi 0W out of a 2000mAh LiPO.
[18:04] <Demannu> I get about 4 1/2 with this project in active running mode with mine
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> that's not too shabby.
[18:04] <Demannu> It's a Pi3B with 4 USB devices, wifi and bt
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[18:21] <sybariten> Oh hai
[18:21] <sybariten> I'm a complete newbie but i have a Raspberri Pi 3 model B here, that a friend has won. We have a micro SD card and a kayboard + mouse. Where do i go for info on OS i can run on it?
[18:22] <sybariten> Or, what do you generally recommend in order to use it as a media player with an HDMI TV ?
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> sybariten, https://www.raspberrypi.org/
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> follow the links to download and get Raspbian
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> to use it just as a media player, then search for the kodi image.
[18:24] <sybariten> gordonDrogon: thanks! Is kodi a self sufficient OS, that comes as like an "iso image" or whatever is used in the ARM world?
[18:24] <sybariten> Or do i use it _with_ rapbian
[18:24] <sybariten> raspbian
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> you can do it either way, but if you just want kodi, then search for the kodi image which is self-contained.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> you can install kodi under raspbian at a later date if you want though.
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[18:28] <sybariten> Aha
[18:28] <sybariten> thanks!
[18:29] <sybariten> Oh one last thing... i just watched one of the youtube videos linked from the .org page. THe animated guy mentions i will need a cat cable. I cant just go with wifi from a new out of the box Raspberry?
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[18:29] <sybariten> Or was he maybe talking generallyt about Raspberries
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> you can, yes. it';s a bit tricky, you need to create the file with the wpa keys in the first partition.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it is documented on the raspberrypi.org site .. somewhere...
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> don't have the exact link to hand.
[18:30] <redrabbit> i made a script that does it automatically
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> will you have a screen and keyboard on from the start?
[18:30] <redrabbit> https://gist.github.com/1rabbit/c7d7bce0e14124145040b350bfedaf32
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> if you have screen & keyboard on from the start then just boot it into the GUI and enable it from there.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> redrabbit, nice ... if you have a linux host - 99.9% of Pi users don't )-:
[18:31] <redrabbit> all you have to do is run it, and when you flash it everything is done
[18:31] <sybariten> gordonDrogon: yes we have a TV and we have a USB keyboard that has a builtin mouse
[18:31] <redrabbit> well.. you can run it on a vps
[18:31] <sybariten> wireless though (keyboard)
[18:31] <redrabbit> or anything doesnt matter
[18:31] <redrabbit> even in a VM
[18:31] <redrabbit> no excuses
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> sybariten, in that case just boot it and enable wi-fi afterwatds.
[18:32] <sybariten> gordonDrogon: sweet as
[18:32] <redrabbit> pretty much
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> does your wireless keyboard have it's own dongle or is it bt ?
[18:32] <sybariten> Any specific recommendations of the four easy Kodi distros that are on the wiki? Or just a matter of taste
[18:33] <sybariten> gordonDrogon: its own dongle, so i guess IR?
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I installed kodi after raspbian.
[18:33] <redrabbit> i tried openelec
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> sybariten, own dongle is good. bt harder.
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[18:35] <Encrypt> I've just found that: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pogo-a-go-go-solderless-gpio-pogo-pins
[18:36] <Encrypt> That looks great :)
[18:36] <sybariten> damn the installation instructions mentioned here is actually 404:ing... https://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php/Raspberry_Pi
[18:36] <sybariten> im downloading a gzipped tarball ... i guess i wanna unzip and untar and format an sd card and do sometihng more
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[18:38] <gordonDrogon> the usual way is that you get a .img file which you then copy as is directly to the SD card - no format partition, etc.
[18:38] <sybariten> oh
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> however I have not done an openelec install, so who knows.
[18:38] <sybariten> ok
[18:41] <Jusii> there's image file for new installations, tar balls is for updating
[18:42] <Jusii> personally I'd download libreelec instead of openelec
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[18:58] <redrabbit> gordonDrogon: its the same for almost all arm dists
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[18:58] <redrabbit> afaik never heard of another way
[18:59] <redrabbit> i dont particularly recommand openelec
[18:59] <redrabbit> i tried it and moved on
[18:59] <redrabbit> it worked fine
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[19:00] <redrabbit> Jusii: why just curious
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[20:34] <sybariten> status report:
[20:35] <sybariten> kodi up and running, connected to Wifi, a couple of add-ons installed .... USB harddrive connected, everything seems to work all right
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[20:36] <sybariten> started with a separate kodi image but didnt quite make the RaspBerry boot up somehow.... moved on to NOOBS lite, installed kodi
[20:37] <sybariten> computers and OS installs are just too simple these days for us laymans, things can be up and running in like twelve minutes :)
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[20:58] <[Saint]> sybariten: PINN master race - come join us, we gots CEC.
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[20:59] <[Saint]> I don't really use it personally, but I do use it occasionally when I stick a package together for someone else.
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[21:09] <sybariten> [Saint]: what is that?
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[21:27] <[Saint]> sybariten: look it up, it's got a couple of beneficial features over NOOBS.
[21:28] <[Saint]> Though, it doesn't change the single most annoying aspect of NOOBS:
[21:28] <[Saint]> That it's not possible to re-install and/or repartition for N bootable images.
[21:29] <[Saint]> You'd think that would be a primary function of NOOBS, but...nope. When you reinstall to fix an issue with one of your operating systems, you need to reinstall *ALL* of your operating systems.
[21:29] <[Saint]> At the technical level I understand why this decision was made...at least partially, but it still seems odd.
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[21:31] <[Saint]> sybariten: for the majority of my clients the number one feature of PINN over NOOBS is the ability to use a CEC compatible display remote to navigate/select boot slots.
[21:32] <[Saint]> IMO it kinds disrupts the flexibility of NOOBS somewhat when you need to drag your ass off the couch to go change the primary boot slot.
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[21:34] <[Saint]> PINN also supports waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more wireless chipsets than NOOBS does, which comes in handy if you're using anything other than the (extremely poor) embedded wireless chipset or ethernet.
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[21:56] <n0a110w> Saint: V2.4.4
[21:56] <n0a110w> Finally, PINN can now re-install any installed OS WITHOUT affecting the other OSes, eliminating one of my NOOBS bugbears.
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[22:12] <Warmy> Anyone here good with Samba?
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[22:15] <redrabbit> ask the question
[22:16] <Warmy> ive set up samba on my raspberry pi, and im unable to connect to the device from my windows 10 pc. giving me connect error 0x80070035.
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[22:21] <mlelstv> maybe this: https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/3719cbfc-455d-40f2-9087-ff0d4f345a13/error-code-0x80070035?forum=w7itpronetworking
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[22:29] <Warmy> thank you for the link, there was no tcp/ip running in services, so i edited the options in the second comment and im restarting now
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[22:32] <Warmy> no luck sadly :(
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[22:36] <Warmy> strangely i can get connection with sftp?
[22:37] <redrabbit> post config files and logs
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[22:39] <Warmy> samba config file?
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[22:44] <Warmy> https://pastebin.com/6VRTYVxB
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