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IRC Log for 2018-02-09

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[0:00] <Lartza> and arrow in the US apparently
[0:00] <Lartza> https://www.partco.fi/fi/minitietokoneet/beaglebone/4057-bb-bblk-000.html
[0:00] <Lartza> that's my local farnell distributor
[0:01] <redrabbit> pricey
[0:01] <Lartza> yes?
[0:02] <Lartza> the wireless version is even in stock, the regular one is an order item
[0:02] <redrabbit> probably mixed up beaglebone with some other arm board
[0:02] <redrabbit> that i wanted and could not find
[0:03] <Lartza> dragonboard?
[0:03] <redrabbit> maybe the chip
[0:03] <redrabbit> or something else idk
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[0:04] <Lartza> or maybe the renegade boards
[0:04] <Lartza> they are hard to come by iirc
[0:04] <redrabbit> the rpis are fine anyway
[0:04] <redrabbit> orange pis as well
[0:04] <redrabbit> and cheap
[0:05] <Lartza> altho seems now you can actually get them https://www.loverpi.com/collections/libre-computer-project/products/libre-computer-board-roc-rk3328-cc
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[0:05] <Lartza> or well, preorder ;D
[0:05] <redrabbit> LOL
[0:06] <Lartza> they were on indiegogo and their target there was january this year so, not that late yet
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[0:06] <redrabbit> i never backed any crowdfunded stuff never
[0:06] <Lartza> I have unfortunately...
[0:07] <Lartza> only one of them turned out awesome, and that was divinity original sin 2
[0:07] <redrabbit> i order products
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[0:13] <shauno> I've mostly had good luck with kickstarter
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[0:16] <shauno> the main catch is just things taking so long to ship, that by time they arrive I have to try to explain why I thought something was a good idea 9 months ago
[0:18] <wyvern> I can't seem to figure out how to use the serial console. I've got a rpi 3 running the latest raspbian, and I can tell it's booted up because it's receiving an IP address from my DHCP server. I have an FTDI USB/serial board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873) plugged in to a https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13717. What should I be doing with minicom to see a console?
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[0:22] <wyvern> I am getting a tty created at least: `FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0`
[0:22] <BurtyB> wyvern, did you enable the uart in config.txt in the boot partition?
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[0:23] <wyvern> I didn't realize I needed to do that. Is there documentation beyond https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md ?
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[0:23] <wyvern> (i'm using the Stretch Lite image; I have no need for a desktop)
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[0:24] <shauno> you'll probably want to take a peek at the uart docs too; https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/uart.md (it's grown a little complicated because the bluetooth is using the 'good' uart by default)
[0:25] <wyvern> I see. How are new users expected to figure this out by themselves? I'm just wondering if I missed something obvious
[0:25] <wyvern> having a distro that boots in a "no ssh, no serial console" default seems... odd
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[0:26] <BurtyB> wyvern, from that doc you just need to add "enable_uart=1" to config.txt and then you should get a console running and connect with 115200 8n1
[0:27] <akk> wyvern: You're not the only one who thinks that. But I guess raspbian is more aimed at people using the desktop with a monitor.
[0:27] <wyvern> apparently so, since their other config wouldn't really be less useful if it didn't boot at all ;)
[0:28] <wyvern> Is there some other less useless distro that people use in practice, or is raspbian pretty much it
[0:28] <akk> And in addition to the enable_uart=1 you'll probably need another line: dtoverlay=pi3-disable-bt
[0:28] <BurtyB> akk, you don't need that
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[0:29] <akk> No? I guess I didn't try it without, but the official docs told me to include that IIRC.
[0:29] <akk> wyvern: Also I think the raspbian people figure anyone with the audacity to run headless must be expert enough to be good at googling.
[0:30] <wyvern> I did google quite a bit and found lots of people saying "And then I used minicom and everything just worked" :/
[0:30] <akk> Which probably makes some sense since we also need to be able to configure wifi and run ssh.
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[0:30] <akk> Really? When I googled after discovering it didn't work I found it pretty quickly.
[0:31] <wyvern> I found lots of things that were all in the pattern of https://startingelectronics.org/articles/raspberry-PI/serial-port-connecting-linux/
[0:31] <wyvern> "Look it's easy. Just run minicom and it works. Tada!"
[0:31] <akk> Oh, maybe the difference is that I knew it was a new change, so I was probably googling for "raspberry pi zero", not just raspberry pi
[0:32] <wyvern> Probably.
[0:32] <akk> because the console used to work on older pis without doing anything extra.
[0:32] <shauno> not that it helps, but if I search for raspberry pi serial console, the first result I get is how to enable it, form adafruit's tutorial
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[0:32] <wyvern> I found https://learn.adafruit.com/ftdi-friend/com-slash-serial-port-name from adafruit, which was of course unhelpful
[0:33] <akk> I seem to have somehow disabled mine (on an install that used to work) so there may be some subtle things in play too.
[0:33] <wyvern> Knowing what I know now, I can get some query strings that get more useful results... it just seems pretty vicious to say "here, install this raspbian thing" and not have even a link to "oh and you'll need this to make it work at all"
[0:33] <akk> I can't figure out what I did that disabled it.
[0:34] <wyvern> oh well
[0:34] <akk> wyvern: I do agree, I wish they were more up front about headless issues.
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[0:34] <wyvern> do people typically run the desktop distro even if they're going to be using it headless in practice?
[0:34] <akk> There is an official page somewhere on enabling the serial console but now I can't seem to find it whatever I search for.
[0:35] <akk> wyvern: I don't, I start with raspbian lite and add what I need from there.
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[0:35] <redrabbit> same
[0:35] <wyvern> yeah, all i wanted was the rust compiler toolchain... didn't seem so hard...
[0:37] <redrabbit> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 <baudrate>
[0:37] <BCMM> wyvern: most linux distros that people actually use are not distinctly "desktop distros" or "server distros"
[0:38] <BCMM> so my headless systems usually run distros that also work as desktops
[0:38] <wyvern> Yes, but I don't want to have to uninstall a desktop environment and other associated fluff.
[0:38] <redrabbit> you dont have to
[0:38] <redrabbit> raspbian lite
[0:39] <wyvern> Which, in its default config, is useless.
[0:39] <redrabbit> or debian... or armbian.. or lots of options
[0:39] <wyvern> I'm just sayin' that's weird.
[0:39] <redrabbit> whats your point there
[0:39] <redrabbit> use what works
[0:40] <akk> The point is that it would make more sense to set up raspbian lite so that it had ssh and a serial console to begin with.
[0:40] <akk> It's a reasonable point.
[0:40] <redrabbit> take a second to set it up
[0:40] <wyvern> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ this page, which is there for beginners to read and learn from, does not say "BTW if you download Stretch Lite you will be confused because it doesn't work at all by default"
[0:40] <wyvern> It just says "slap that on a SD card and you're good to go" basically
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[0:41] <wyvern> Which, compared to the otherwise excellent rpi beginner experience, stinks.
[0:41] <wyvern> It startled me. That's my point. Nothing more.
[0:41] <redrabbit> https://gist.github.com/1rabbit/c7d7bce0e14124145040b350bfedaf32 i made that script that does the config automatically
[0:42] <redrabbit> i use it quite often so i dont waste time on that
[0:42] <wyvern> oh kayyy...
[0:43] <BCMM> i mean, either you start with a distro that doesn't have the stuff you need, and add the stuff you need
[0:43] <BCMM> or you start with an image that has stuff you don't need, and remove what you don't need
[0:43] <BCMM> it's a mistake to expect there to be a distro that fits your precise use case right out of the box
[0:43] <wyvern> Yeah, like "being able to log in"
[0:43] <wyvern> pretty weird use case
[0:44] <faekjarz> Hi, anyone here, who sucessfully used a HDMI to VGA converter dongle with a Ras Pi 3 B? (Does the Pi 3 B provide power via its HDMI port, in order to drive sich a converter dongle?)
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[0:49] <faekjarz> …i mean, it's HDMI, and thie pi 3b has hdmi, so it should be compatible, right?
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[0:54] <mlelstv> it even works
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[1:05] <faekjarz> nevermind, i just found prove, that hdmi to vga convertors work, on YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMHYf2MsWg …this is for the record …bye
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[1:10] <Maai> i would love to see Unreal 1998 run on raspberry <3
[1:11] <Maai> if programmers could work on fine tune Unreal engine... like Doom trickery on a 386
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[1:13] <faekjarz> Maai: x86 emulators for ARM exist, but i'm not certain whether they're open source, or otherwise avaliable …maybe KVM/QEMU
[1:16] <Maai> my own engine then? :/
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[1:17] <Maai> Unreal is totally runnable on 2GHz
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[1:21] <faekjarz> Maai: LOL, i remember that one lan party; Pentium 3 800, nForce based mobo, on-board nvida GPU, i pwned all teh noobs in UT GOTY edition *sigh* sometimes i wish i could turn back time ;D
[1:22] * faekjarz pwned everyone, actually …that one time
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[1:24] <faekjarz> considering that a p3 800 is a single core and a pi3 is a quad at over 1 GHz, an x86 emulator might actually be sufficiently performant
[1:26] <faekjarz> …well, gfx drivers might become an issue :\
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[1:31] <faekjarz> Maai: wait a moment, THERE'S WINE! It should be ported to ARM. And Unreal'98 / UT GoTY is old enough to be likely to be fully supported.
[1:33] <faekjarz> …not only old enough, also sufficiently popular! Oh, that's one thing i'll try after my pi got delivered (it's still on the road)
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[1:50] <Greg-J> Pins 39, 40, 41, and 42 on the compute module: VDD = voltage drain supply, right? So these get hooked up to the 5V+ rail, or the 3V3 rail?
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[1:53] <Greg-J> It looks to be 3V3 as per page 13 of the CM datasheet.
[1:53] <Greg-J> Is there anyone in here who has developed a board for the CM3?
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[1:55] <Greg-J> nvm found it
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[2:08] <Maai> does anyone feel ARM designers had a dark side? or is my pi very sweet?
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[2:09] <Maai> like a TF Spy
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[3:04] <redrabbit> dark side???
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[3:26] <Greg-J> Anyone online right now that is familiar with (or at least comfortable reading) the CMIO v3 schematic?
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[3:39] <Foxfir3__> Trying to install Noobs to microsd card: sudo unzip -p NOOBS_v2_4_5.zip >/dev/mmcblk0
[3:39] <Foxfir3__> sudo unzip -p NOOBS_v2_4_5.zip >/dev/mmcblk0
[3:39] <Foxfir3__> zsh: permission denied: /dev/mmcblk0
[3:40] <Foxfir3__> I checked the card. ext4 formatted. group and permissions are fine. So what am I doing wrong?
[3:40] <mlelstv> sudo runs unzip, but the redirection is done with your account
[3:42] <Foxfir3__> I get the same error without sudo.
[3:42] <mlelstv> sure
[3:42] <Foxfir3__> its almost embaressing. well.. what the dd command when its a zip file?
[3:44] <mlelstv> I don't think the NOOBS file is an image
[3:45] <Foxfir3__> mlelstv: i thought dd was just an archiver?
[3:45] <Foxfir3__> oh.. this is getting strange now. cant create a folder on the card in nautilus, but I can in the terminal. never seen that before.
[3:46] <Foxfir3__> so in theory I can just unpack it, and move the files manually?
[3:47] <mlelstv> I think so.
[3:47] <Foxfir3__> thanks for the redirection tip by the way
[3:47] <Foxfir3__> okay. will try that :)
[3:47] <mlelstv> just unpack the archive onto the SD card. The SD card should be FAT32 format.
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[3:48] <Foxfir3__> ooh.. okay. better reformat it then.
[3:48] <mlelstv> https://thepi.io/how-to-install-noobs-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[3:52] <mlelstv> sleep
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[3:53] <Foxfir3__> mlelstv: why fat32?
[3:54] <Foxfir3__> anyone awake?
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[4:02] <Foxfir3__> sudo reboot
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[4:14] <Maai> awake
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[4:24] * Maai wants to find his boot up log
[4:25] <Maai> things not all OK
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[4:32] <Maai> i need online storage. i keep formatting / deleting SD card so my findings are lost each month ! grr
[4:32] <Maai> now i need a neck rest
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[6:30] <Greg-J> Do any of you know what the pitch on the Adafruit HDMI ribbon cables are?
[6:30] <Greg-J> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3560
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[6:45] <Codsworth> i wish I could get this SPI display working with my esp8266
[6:46] <Codsworth> that would be great... fckin 7 pin spi? wtf?
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[6:54] <phirephly> Codsworth, uhhh, wat?
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[6:54] <Maai> i would love for my ARM chip's health
[6:54] <Codsworth> yea... 7 pin its bs and the pinsouts arent really working
[6:55] <phirephly> 7 pin SPI isn't really a thing unless you're dealing with fancy SPI flash chips
[6:55] <Maai> i love
[6:55] <Maai> slow
[6:56] <Maai> 2000+ took the biscuit
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[7:02] <Greg-J> Maybe I should have actually tried to order a CM3 before designing a board for it.
[7:03] <Greg-J> For something that's been out for over a year, the availability on these things suuuuuuucks.
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[7:40] <Lartza> Greg-J, RS Online says I can order 9100 :S
[7:41] * Greg-J is ignorant of what RS Online is
[7:43] <Lartza> meh you're in the us
[7:43] <Lartza> Newark element14 only has 146
[7:44] <Lartza> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/rpi-compute3/raspberry-pi-compute-module-3/dp/02AC9990 https://www.alliedelec.com/raspberry-pi-cm3/70967593/ https://www.pishop.us/product/raspberry-pi/pi-boards/raspberry-pi-compute-module-3
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[7:49] <kevr> anybody here hear about RPi3 being used as an enterprise product?
[7:51] <Lartza> kevr, Hmm?
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[7:51] <Lartza> Not even sure what you mean with "enterprise product"
[7:52] <kevr> Lartza: https://www.ncomputing.com/en/products/rxseries/RX-HDX
[7:53] <kevr> What I mean is, a product leveraged by businesses (usually on a large scale)
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[7:53] <Lartza> Ah, there are probably a few
[7:54] <Greg-J> Lartza, you seem like you would know the answer to this: Where would I find a reliable distributor for the Ampak AP6212HF / Ampak AP6212
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[7:55] <Lartza> Greg-J, No idea :S digikey sells modules built around that afaict but
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[7:56] <Greg-J> It's driving me bokers not being able to find a distributor for them.
[7:56] <Greg-J> Alibaba is the only place I can find them.
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[11:59] <Netham45> Let's say I output a 120Hz wave with a 30% duty cycle from the PWM pin on an RPi, is there a pin I could wire that to on another RPi and determine that information about the wave from?
[12:00] <Habbie> Netham45, i have some notes here https://github.com/Habbie/hardware-hacks/tree/master/binary-scope
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[12:02] <Netham45> Habbie, Okay. I'm looking to put a switch on a 120v line and read the phase of the 120v line so that I can reduce the duty cycle to dim a light. Doing this to play around, I'm sure there's better ways. I've got the switch mechanism built already, I can toggle a phototransistor at 120Hz, do you think the RPi would be able to stay synchronized enough with a 120v line to do that?
[12:03] <Habbie> oh that sounds hard with a pi
[12:03] <Habbie> but i don't know much about AC power
[12:03] <Habbie> i do know the pi (when running linux, anyway) is not great at doing things with exact timing
[12:03] <Habbie> other than PWM -output-
[12:04] <Habbie> because that's handled in hardware
[12:04] <Netham45> I've got it sort of working, my idea is to get the precise frequency of the 120v line and just set the PWM output on the RPi to use that with the duty cycle I want.
[12:04] <Netham45> Yea, I'm using the hardware PWM output.
[12:04] <Habbie> does it need to match frequency or also phase?
[12:04] <Habbie> and, what's the source for your 120v?
[12:04] <Netham45> frequency I believe, since I'm only switching the hot line. 120v is just house wiring.
[12:05] <Habbie> i know our 230v (in .nl) has slightly variable frequency
[12:05] <Habbie> depending on load
[12:05] <Habbie> but i have no idea if that would matter to your project
[12:05] <Netham45> Might be the issue I'm hitting. I have it dimming but it's pulsing between dim and bright over 5-10 seconds. I'd assumed it was because I had the wave timings slightly off.
[12:06] <Netham45> Crap, lunch is over.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> make sure you don't introduce a DC bias into the line - ie. switch on every other cycle - I'm told the power companies don't like that.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> the main issue is that the Pi isn't good at real-time stuff like this.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> at least not without some funky coding.
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[12:27] <jthornton> this morning my rpi chicken.service was not running and df reports /dev/root 100% full wtf
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> so you have a full SD card... deal with it?
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> delete some files...
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> or work out what's created a huge log-file, etc.
[12:29] <Habbie> sudo apt-get clean
[12:29] <Habbie> sudo apt-get install ncdu
[12:29] <Habbie> sudo ncdu -x /
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[12:30] <Habbie> also sudo lsof -nP +L1
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm still wondering what chicken.service is ...
[12:32] <Habbie> i'm guessing VNC
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[12:32] <Habbie> although i don't see it in apt-cache search under that name here
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> ah, ncdu is new one for me. I've used du -x / > /tmp/foo ; xdu /tmp/foo
[12:35] <zleap> so just an ncurses interface to du
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> looks that way.
[12:35] <zleap> yeah
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> nc - being ncurses, I guess. it's quite fast - a lot faster than my old way.
[12:36] <zleap> well that just provides a nice front end to du, du -h is quick as it is
[12:36] <zleap> unless there is other functionality in there
[12:38] <zleap> chicken is a compiler for scheme
[12:38] <zleap> i thought it sounded familiar, shymega may be able to explain more about that on #dcglug unless jthornton can
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> oh not that interestedm just was curious what it was.
[12:39] <jthornton> ncdu?
[12:39] <jthornton> chicken.service controls my chicken coop lights and door
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> it's a program that'll quickly tell you which directory has the biggest files.
[12:40] <jthornton> ah thanks
[12:40] <zleap> ok thanks
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> another alternative might be: du -sm / | sort -rn | head -10
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> which I have aliased for ease of use.
[12:40] <zleap> good plan
[12:40] <zleap> what is the best way to remove old kernels from /boot
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> rm
[12:41] <zleap> ok so just remove them
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> but I don't recall old ones being left there - unless you're installing manually?
[12:41] <zleap> same here, my /boot seems to be full of them
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> there ought to be kernel.img and kernel7.img
[12:42] <jthornton> ncdu reports /var has 10GB
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> /var/log is typically where log-files are stored.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> cd /var/log ; du -sm . | sort -rn | head -10
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> er, du -sm *
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> or ls -lS | head -10
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> so many ways to do something now... so much bloat...
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I know, lets write a new command ...
[12:43] <shauno> ncdu ;)
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> https://xkcd.com/927/
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[12:44] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26546148/
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> while possibly drastic: sudo rm *.1 *.z *.gz
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> although you might want to tail syslog to see why it's so verbose....
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> and user.log
[12:46] <jthornton> I wonder if user.log.1 is a backup
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> no...
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> what would typically happen is that every night log gets renamed to log.1 log.1 is compressed to log.2.gz and so on - they're rotated for a few days before being deleted.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> some logs are rotated daily, some weekly.
[12:51] <jthornton> user.log.1 is 5 days old and there is some really old files in /var/log
[12:51] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26546177/
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> ignore lastlog and wtmp - they're typically sparse files, but the rest - tail debug and syslog to see if they're reporting any proper issues.
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> then delete them, or simply turn logging off (if you're never going to read them, don't log them)
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> apt-get purge syslogd
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[12:59] <lastaid> i am still struggeling with the serial bug i encountered. it is probably somewhere in the kernel. i tested debian64 and the serial bug is gone.
[12:59] <lastaid> how long does it take to compile a kernel ON the raspberry pi
[12:59] <lastaid> ?
[13:00] <Habbie> forever, most likely
[13:00] <Habbie> so what's your serial bug?
[13:00] <lastaid> serial reads over 8k have corrupted data
[13:01] <Habbie> from /dev/ttyX ?
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[13:01] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, have you checked the kernel drivers in the 2 different kernel versions at all?
[13:01] <lastaid> Habbie: might be related to https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/5f9892211b0dc97c10d6679290159211a6e7a2e7
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[13:02] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: well, it was updated like a few days ago in the 4.15.y branch
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> however, last time I compiled a kernel on a Pi v1 it took about 5 hours. I suspect on a v3 with more ram and 4 cores for it to be under an hour now.
[13:02] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, oh that's not too bad
[13:02] <Habbie> doing it in docker on my mac probably wouldn't even beat it
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[13:03] <lastaid> the thing is, i would happily use debian, but debian has a weird bug with my ethernet controller :D
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> I have found that compiling pure C on the Pi is cpu bound, not IO bound. (not memory either as 256MB was fine for the kernel)
[13:03] <Habbie> (indeed we are finding that building for pi in docker instead of on a pi is not faster, just more convenient)
[13:04] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, for C, IO bound would not surprise me
[13:04] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, sadly we compile a million lines of C++ and then IO becomes entirely uninteresting
[13:08] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: how behind are the hexxeh kernel images?
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, C isn't IO bound on the Pi - it's cpu bound.
[13:08] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, yes, but IO bound would not have surprised me
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, I've no idea - I stopped using bleeding edge some years ago.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, I have a lot of stuff nfs mounted - half the speed of local SD card and compile times are no different. at least for my biggest project which is 35K lines of C over 110 files.
[13:09] <lastaid> i hope that bleeding edge will work for me. i am ever so slightly at a loss.
[13:09] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, i find that many operations are faster over NFS for me actually
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> can you change your app. to do multiple 4K reads rather than a single 8k read?
[13:10] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, especially things like debootstrap with lots of small files
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, might have better caching/lower latency..
[13:10] <Habbie> caching should be worse than SD really
[13:11] <Habbie> latency, possibly
[13:21] <zleap> https://www.call-cc.org/
[13:21] <zleap> that is the chicken scheme thing
[13:22] <Habbie> zleap, that comes with a service?
[13:22] <zleap> i was meant to post that earlier, but it went to the wrong channel, however the question related to something to do with real chickens not a c compiler thing
[13:23] <Habbie> heh
[13:23] <Habbie> o
[13:23] <Habbie> *ok
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[14:01] <Netham45> <gordonDrogon> make sure you don't introduce a DC bias into the line - ie. switch on every other cycle - I'm told the power companies don't like that
[14:01] <Netham45> I'm pulling <3W, think they'd even notice?
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[14:06] <Netham45> Anyways, my endgoal is to have a 120Hz signal in 2x sync with the main signal that I can alter the duty on.
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, I doubt they'd notice at 3w - I'm controlling 2Kw ovens .. they might notice then.
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest your aim is going to be hard to achieve and would think about another tactic.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> have the zero crossing detector generate an interrupt to the Pi, then simply delay a number of �S before turning the signal on - that's assuming you're using a triac that will self-turn-off at the end of the half signal.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> that's essentially how 'real' dimmer controls work.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is the latency of the interrupt into your code - assume maybe 150�S - that will limit the last step between full-on and almost full-on.
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> ali1234: Happened in August, by the looks of it. https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/issues/245 https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware/commit/2440d3312fd900452b4e91b4a42325cbc75c1e2d
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[14:59] <shiftplusone> original files came from some android repo... not sure if they were originally done by collabora or brcm or somebody else
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[15:16] <ShorTie> would running a 3.4 kernel with stretch be ok ??
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[15:18] <Habbie> ShorTie, why?
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[15:21] <shiftplusone> if you know what you're doing, are familiar with ATAGS and the raspberry pi bootloader and don't intend to run it on new hardware... some stuff will work.
[15:22] <ShorTie> it's not on a pi, because it is all i got, lol.
[15:23] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:23] <shiftplusone> in principle, it should be fine.
[15:24] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[15:24] <ShorTie> but unknown problems might be on the horizon
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[15:37] <{HD}> What are you doing for torrent boxes? rasbian lite with deluge web? or is there something better I don't know about?
[15:37] <Habbie> i would probably go for transmission as it's familiar to me
[15:39] <{HD}> I want it to be headless on the network, lan only. Can transmission do that?
[15:39] <shiftplusone> I use deluge(d)
[15:40] <shiftplusone> use whatever is familiar to you
[15:40] <shiftplusone> some people prefer rtorrent
[15:41] <Habbie> {HD}, yes
[15:41] <Habbie> rtorrent is nice as well
[15:43] <{HD}> I am just VNCing into a raspy stretch desktop currently. I have issues downloading directly to a network SMB file share. Deluge can’t handle it.
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[15:53] <shiftplusone> my pi is the smb share
[15:53] <wyvern> {HD}: can you be more specific? Perhaps Deluge's pre-allocation is not playing nicely with SMB.
[15:53] <shiftplusone> then kodi in the living room can access the... ubuntu iso's.
[15:54] <Habbie> shiftplusone, come on, you can do better
[15:54] <Habbie> shiftplusone, 'conference videos'
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[15:54] <shiftplusone> ah yes
[15:54] <Habbie> wyvern, oh that's a good call, some clients just append but most will indeed do 'random access'
[15:54] <Habbie> shiftplusone, i wouldn't even be lying if i said that ;)
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[15:55] <shiftplusone> Anything particularly interesting?
[15:55] <wyvern> You can disable preallocation in deluge
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[15:55] <wyvern> however, if you're running new enough CIFS support on either end it should still work
[15:55] <wyvern> anyway worth a try
[15:55] <{HD}> wyvern: I get a generic 'operation not supported"
[15:56] <wyvern> is the share mounted r/w?
[15:56] <{HD}> wyvern: yes, full permissions to pi user.
[15:56] <wyvern> in that case turn up the logging verbosity and figure out what it's trying to do when it fails
[15:57] <{HD}> I am using built in cifs on whatever the current raspbian stretch desktop is.
[15:57] <{HD}> Ill try disabling preallocation if you think it would help
[15:57] <wyvern> What's the server on the other end of CIFS?
[15:59] <{HD}> freeNAS
[15:59] <wyvern> should be fine, but either way I'd disable preallocation and try again.
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[16:00] <{HD}> wyvern: Is that just "compact allocation" instead of "full allocation"?
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[16:01] <wyvern> that's probably the one.
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[16:02] <{HD}> I am going to wait for that box to wrap a few things up in the next hour then I will mess with it again.,
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[16:02] <{HD}> I also read about a different way to mount the share... http://askubuntu.com/questions/760631/ddg#936056
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[16:03] <wyvern> You'll need to be using a non-GUI way of mounting anyway if you awnt that box to be headless.
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[16:06] <{HD}> wyvern: True. Currently I am just vncing into the desktop. I would like to go to a webui for deluge or whatever but I like that fact I can 'browse' from chromium from vnc as well. Keeps all the torrent-y stuff on one box.
[16:07] <wyvern> you can connect to deluge from a browser on another box on the same network too, if you configure deluge-web's listen socket accordingly.
[16:07] <wyvern> no vnc required.
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[16:16] <{HD}> True but I can’t acquire the links from that. Like I said having it all confined to one box is appealing to me.
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[16:28] <redrabbit> any good 4 wheels + motors + controller kits for the raspberry pi on aliexpress
[16:29] <Habbie> redrabbit, let me know if you find something
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[16:29] <Habbie> redrabbit, i've been repurposing RC cars but they are finicky
[16:30] <shymega> zleap: you pinged me?
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[16:30] <shymega> i can't see the backlog though, my client pinged out from my BNC
[16:30] <redrabbit> Habbie: ok
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[16:39] <SpeedEvil> redrabbit: I have a pile of plastics-broken 'hoverboards.
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> redrabbit: Simple couple of bearings and you've got a 4-wheel chassis.
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[16:42] <user3> i have a rasp pi, what do i do now?
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> put it in an envelope and post it to me ;-)
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> other than that, the world is your oyster!
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> learn to code, play games, videos, music ...
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> or quit irc before hearing replies...
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[16:58] <redrabbit> lol
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[17:01] <redrabbit> 16:56 < gordonDrog> or quit irc before hearing replies...
[17:01] <redrabbit> sounds like a neat hobby there
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> what, collecting Pi's ?
[17:02] <redrabbit> quitting irc before hearing replies
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> he'd left and as I don't have join/leave notifies on, I didn't notice.
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[17:03] <akk> Well, c'mon, if people on a channel aren't prepared to respond instantly to all queries, what good are they?
[17:03] <redrabbit> i ignore all join/leave as well
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[17:07] <Habbie> trying to tabcomplete the nick may avoid that pain
[17:07] <redrabbit> happens to me often
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[17:08] <redrabbit> that trick helps yes
[17:08] <redrabbit> akk: sounds reasonable
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[17:09] <r3> I found the Pi Zero to be very cool, amazing size, but without a (wired) network interface, little use to me. Trying to dream up uses for it. Next time I will try out a Pi Zero W I think.
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> there are some little usb dongles you can use.
[17:10] <redrabbit> as low as 3$ a piece
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> to give wired or wi-fi.
[17:10] <redrabbit> makes sense to use wired
[17:10] <redrabbit> for wifi just get a zero w
[17:11] <r3> oh yeah, I forgot I have about a dozen USB<-->WiFi dongles I got from all the RPi2 I bought... duh.
[17:11] <redrabbit> works
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> there are some little usb shims you can get to convert microA into A.
[17:12] <r3> aye.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> the ones I got fit more ot less inside the dobgle.
[17:12] <redrabbit> you can get 10 for 1$
[17:12] <akk> "OTG adapters", they're called
[17:12] <r3> yup, I got a couple with the PiZero
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[17:12] <redrabbit> or solder a breakout female usb port
[17:14] <GenteelBen> Sexy.
[17:14] <redrabbit> https://i.imgur.com/07eLBha.jpg current project
[17:14] <redrabbit> that otg cable kinds of ruins it
[17:14] <r3> CanaKit FTW - I know now that some of the kits include too much useless stuff, but their kits really helped me to get started, and then they followed up with some replacement parts for free, so they won me over as a customer
[17:14] <redrabbit> + contacts instead of solder = waste of power
[17:15] <redrabbit> im going to replace as much as possible with soldered contacts instead
[17:15] <redrabbit> most of the waste is in the connectors not the cables
[17:15] <r3> looks cool to me, redrabbit, what's the mini board there? a battery charging breakout?
[17:16] <redrabbit> attiny85, it controls power to the rpi0w
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[17:16] <redrabbit> shutdown power when rpi0 is off
[17:16] <r3> it is tiny to be sure! ;)
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[17:16] <redrabbit> and power it up every 30 minutes
[17:16] <redrabbit> it connects to my server
[17:16] <redrabbit> and if i want to, it stays up
[17:16] <r3> where are the battery charging smarts then?
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[17:17] <redrabbit> its over 3G so i can put it in a sealed bag and leave it for months anywhere
[17:17] <r3> on the attiny85?
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[17:17] <redrabbit> no charging
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[17:17] <redrabbit> only discharging.. but i could sleep for a year or so
[17:17] <redrabbit> in theory
[17:17] <redrabbit> with 6 days of actual up time
[17:18] <redrabbit> on 1 charge
[17:18] <r3> oh I see
[17:18] <redrabbit> then i want to add wheels
[17:18] <redrabbit> :p
[17:18] <r3> find you a nice box or enclosure from digikey and you'll be set
[17:18] <redrabbit> no need, sealed bags are cheaper and better
[17:18] <redrabbit> :p
[17:19] <redrabbit> very much cheaper
[17:19] <r3> boxes++
[17:19] <r3> because I'm always dropping things I shouldn't
[17:19] <redrabbit> + actual hot sealing is more waterproof than any ipx box
[17:20] <redrabbit> hot impulse sealer cost 20 euro
[17:20] <redrabbit> bags are super cheap
[17:20] <r3> show me a link? not sure what you mean
[17:20] <redrabbit> i add like 4 layers
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[17:20] <redrabbit> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0187MNWMU/
[17:21] <r3> huh. neat. how thick are the bags? 2mil? 1?
[17:22] <redrabbit> all kinds works
[17:22] <redrabbit> i have thick and less thick
[17:22] <redrabbit> works well i have units outdoors for half a month now
[17:22] <redrabbit> they are fine
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[17:23] <redrabbit> lots of rain, snow, freezing
[17:23] <r3> neat! I still would want a box due to the snow here, however
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[17:23] <redrabbit> actually 4 layers even makes some air pocket
[17:23] <redrabbit> so its insulated a bit
[17:24] <redrabbit> im waiting for some bare chip attiny85 then ill make a proper circuit and release it in the wild
[17:25] <redrabbit> ultimately it should have a set of wheels + camera behind some glass in a waterproof enclosure
[17:27] <r3> so what's it do? wheels?
[17:29] <redrabbit> then i could release it anywhere and rc from my pc
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[19:12] <faekjarz> Hi, https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/hardware-guide/audio/ states, that i can "plug most speakers or headphones into the Raspberry Pi." Wouldn't that short GND and Composite video together? Does the Pi 3 B have integrated logic to adapt to a 3 pin plug?
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[19:19] <mk-fg> faekjarz, I've googled this a while ago, and found that it's designed to allow TRS jack on forums, which was good enough for me, but no schematics or docs saying that
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> there is a partian schematic of the Pi v3. audio/video output jack.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> *partial.
[19:20] <mk-fg> Yeah, I didn't mean it doesn't exist, just that I didn't bother looking beyond the forums
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> my suspicion is that it's designed to be OK if you short the compost video to 0v.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> just looked at the schematic and there's nothing special.
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[19:37] <faekjarz> thank you
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[19:48] <ball> For the composite video & line audio output port, is it TRRS = Left, Right, Ground and Video, respectively?
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, from tip outwards.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> so a standard audio plug will short video to gnd.
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[19:53] <ball> Thanks. I'll see whether I have one of those.
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[20:28] <faekjarz> What's wrong with my Pi3B wifi? raspi-config, the Rasbian desktop, as well a ifconfig -a and ip link produce the same result "No wireless interface found". I already set the correct Fifi country. Do i have to enable it? What's the kernel driver module called?
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[20:30] <shiftplusone> faekjarz: what does systemctl status dhcpcd say?
[20:30] <shiftplusone> hang on ifconfig doesn't show the wifi?
[20:31] <shiftplusone> anything special in config.txt?
[20:31] <faekjarz> active (running)
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[20:33] <shiftplusone> if it doesn't just work out of the box on a clean raspbian image, you might have faulty hardware
[20:33] <faekjarz> it's my 1st time using a Pi (building a bathroom media centre) …i haven't touched the config.txt yet, so probably nothing special in there
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[20:33] <shiftplusone> .....make sure you're running a pi 3 b... I've seen someone ask this exact question here and after some troubleshooting they realised they were on a pi 2 >_<
[20:34] <shiftplusone> cat /proc/device-tree/model
[20:34] <ball> On a Raspberry Pi (1) model B, is the 3.5mm jack just ordinary line-level stereo audio out?
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> ball, I think it's supposed to be but from what I recall, the level is a bit low.
[20:36] <faekjarz> could it be some kind of power management issue? I'm running a HDMI to VGA dongle, powered via HDMI port. Sometimes that little lightning bold shows up. I use the wall wart of my Moto G5, which only provides 2.1A
[20:36] <shiftplusone> ah...
[20:36] <shiftplusone> if you see the lightning bolt, all bets are off.
[20:37] <shiftplusone> The issue isn't how much current the power supply provides, but how little voltage sag there is. It should be a solid 5v, but most chargers drop way below that.
[20:37] <ball> gordonDrogon: I can compensate for that I think, provided the pinout is the same.
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> ball it's the same as ... what? it's the same as a v3 but no composite video...
[20:42] <shauno> problem is charger != power supply. chargers are quite happy to drop, because as long as they're above 4.4v-ish they'll still charge lipo devices just fine
[20:42] <faekjarz> OK, it's definitely a Pi 3 B. The Pi is running and has 4.78 V on the 5V GPIO pin.
[20:43] <ball> gordonDrogon: TRS LRG?
[20:43] <ball> (ordinary 3.5mm stereo)
[20:47] <faekjarz> What do you think of those little buck convertors https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lm2596s&iax=images&ia=images …i have one of those here, and i inted to mod it into my old TFT monitor.
[20:47] <faekjarz> …and running the Pi off of that
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[20:48] <_matix> yow
[20:48] <_matix> quick question regarding single bus communication (with adafruit DHT12, similar protocol to the DHT11)
[20:49] <_matix> the protocol has two steps: (1) send the sensor a "start" signal (2) the sensor sends a number of bits to relay information
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[20:50] <_matix> this requires re-initializing the GPIO pin from "output" to "input" mode, and I'm noticing that when I do that I actually miss the information sent by the sensor (I'm assuming it just takes too long)
[20:50] <shauno> faekjarz: I've been running a pi3 off one with no complaints
[20:50] <faekjarz> shauno: yay :D
[20:51] <_matix> does anyone have any tips for dealing with this? should i use two separate pins for reading & writing?
[20:51] <shauno> I can't login to it right now, it's at work, but it's sat on a 24V network and has roughly 6 months of uptime
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[21:21] <tdoirc> I'm trying PXE boot another rpi3, the only difference between it and a working one is its v2 instead of v1.2, and it's not sending dhcp requests from the bootloader, so it never boots. otp_dump shows 17:3020000a, any ideas?
[21:21] <tdoirc> has something changed related to pxe booting from v1.2 to v2?
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[21:28] <ball> tdoirc: I had no idea the Pi even supported PXE
[21:28] <tdoirc> lol, the rpi3 does
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[21:29] <GenteelBen> But does it support PXE v6?
[21:30] <GenteelBen> Bounce well, ball.
[21:30] <ball> tdoirc: Interesting.
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[21:41] <tdoirc> as far as i know it does not support pxev6
[21:41] <tdoirc> but i'm still stuck with the new rpi3 b v2
[21:41] <tdoirc> not sure why it's not even sending a dhcp request
[21:42] <tdoirc> oh wait, it's a v1.2 not v2
[21:42] <tdoirc> hmm
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[21:43] <tdoirc> ok let me try a different one
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[21:46] <tdoirc> ok the other new one I have seems to be working...hmm weird
[21:46] <tdoirc> or almost workin?
[21:46] <tdoirc> it doesn't like bootsig.bin for some reason
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[21:48] <tdoirc> ok, worked that time
[21:48] <tdoirc> weird
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> ball, yes.
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> _matix, they work just fine - there is a driver built into wiringPi if you want to try to read them from the command-line.
[21:59] <ball> gordonDrogon: Thanks
[22:00] <_matix> gordonDrogon: should i use two different pins? one for output and one for input?
[22:01] <_matix> during the time that I change my pin mode from output to input, i've already missed the response from the sensor
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> no need. it works just fine on one pin.
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> what are you using to read the sensor? language/gpio interface.. ?
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[22:05] <gordonDrogon> _matix, if you have it wired up to e.g. pin 11/bcm_gpio 17, then you can test it with: gpio -g -x rht03:200:17 aread 200
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[22:12] <Foxfir3> getting the hang of RPi, but in doubt about the displaymanager. Can I run solely on Compton for example?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> the pi is just a small linux system - you can run most linux stuff on it.
[22:14] <Foxfir3> gordonDrogon: okay. so my knowledge of display managers is limited. Alwasy used lightdm or gdm. And gdm seems to be struggling a bit. What do you use?
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> xfce4
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> use it on my laptops, desktops and when I have to; Pi's.
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[22:17] <Foxfir3> gordonDrogon: so Lightdm. okay. xfce4 works great. But im trying to save some ram. I will read up on compton. Apparently I dont understand what the display manager actually does.
[22:17] <akk> Does xfce have a display manager? I know it as a window manager.
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I've given up on all that these days.
[22:18] <akk> I use openbox on my non-pi linux machines (as a window manager; I don't use a display manager at all).
[22:18] <Foxfir3> gordonDrogon: maybe thats a wise decision
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I also turn off all the desktopy stuff in xfce4 too. no desktop icons, no filemangler, just xterms.
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[22:19] <Foxfir3> akk: I dont understand. Rapsian stretch runs openbox and lightdm?
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[22:20] <Foxfir3> akk: so if I run a windows manager I can do without lightdm and gdm completely?
[22:20] <Foxfir3> akk: dont laugh please! its such a noob question :D
[22:20] <akk> Foxfir3: I don't actually know which windowmanager Raspbian uses by default. Probably either openbox or xfce.
[22:21] <akk> Foxfir3: But yes, you can run a window manager without any dm.
[22:21] <akk> Foxfir3: The dm handles logging in, but you can either log in from the console, or use auto-login.
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> you can eliminate lightdm and gdm but you login to a text screen then run startx.
[22:21] <Foxfir3> thanks guys. phew.. embaressing I didnt realise that.
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> which is how I mostly run stuff.
[22:22] <akk> Don't be embarrassed, it's not something that gets commonly discussed.
[22:22] <Foxfir3> gordonDrogon: so... like starx, and then the name of wm?
[22:22] <akk> Everybody just assumes that the whole heavyweight dm+wm+desktop is running everywhere.
[22:22] <Foxfir3> akk: okay. thanks. I just thought it sounded so basic.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> well no, just startx and my .xinitrx does the rest.
[22:23] <akk> Foxfir3: Just startx, and you can have a .xinitrc or similar that specifies your window manager.
[22:23] <Foxfir3> gordonDrogon: so I edit .xinitrc. awesome :) (and most likely crash the whole store)
[22:24] <akk> For openbox, my .xinitrc has: openbox --startup $HOME/.config/openbox/autostart
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[22:24] <akk> and then the autostart file has the things I want to run automatically, like setting a pretty background and starting up an xterm.
[22:24] <akk> xfce probably does it a little differently.
[22:25] <Foxfir3> akk: okay. so parameters set in the autostart script. nice. saving your comment.
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[22:26] <Foxfir3> my thought being, that even though the de or wm is light, the splitting of the ram is still costly
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[22:27] <Foxfir3> so how low can the ram assigned to the gpu be set with a windows manager?
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[22:27] <Foxfir3> 16MB?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> 16MB is OK.
[22:28] <Foxfir3> that is sweet :)
[22:28] <Foxfir3> thanks
[22:28] <Foxfir3> Enough for a game of Pong :)
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[22:53] <akk> Anybody used an MCP23017 I2C port expander? I'm under the impression that it should be able to do input and output at the same time with different bits
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> yes and yes.
[22:54] <akk> (e.g. bit 0x80 is input, the rest are output on GPB) but when I try it, it doesn't seem to be working.
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[22:54] <akk> I'm wondering if I misunderstood that.
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> what language are you using?
[22:54] <akk> python
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> oh. can't help with that, only C.
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> but you can test it from the command line with the gpio command if you like.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> gpio -x mcp23017:200:0x20 mode 208 in ; gpio -x mcp23017:200:0x20 mode 209 out
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> would set port b bit 0 to input and port b bit 1 to output.
[22:56] <akk> I'm really just wondering about the concepts -- I set IODIRA to 0, IODIRB to 0x80, then I set OLATA to 0 and OLATB to 0x1
[22:56] <akk> and then read GPIOB and it's 7f
[22:57] <akk> but you're right, I should try from the cmdline
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[23:01] <akk> Oh, hmm, I think it's that it's reading the outputs as well as the bits that are specified for input
[23:01] <akk> so I need to mask them off.
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> I thought gpio.zero understood this chip now - are you using rpi.gpio?
[23:02] <akk> I'm using smbus
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> ah right, so doing it all the hard way :)
[23:03] <akk> I didn't know gpiozero had it -- I should look.
[23:03] <akk> I never think to look there, but that library does have some useful stuff.
[23:03] <akk> Actually I didn't think it had any I2C devices, though.
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure - just thought I saw it online a while back. I really do not do python whatsoever.
[23:05] <akk> Yep, that was it -- if I mask the value read with the mask I passed with IODIRB, everything works.
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[23:36] <akk> Hmm, having a similar problem using wiringpi-python, but it doesn't let me access it at bit levels so I can't mask it.
[23:37] <akk> I'll have to try it with C wiringpi sometime and see if it behaves similarly.
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[23:45] <redrabbit> any sets with 4 wheels/motors/controller for the rpi that are good
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[23:55] <akk> Works in C wiringpi, so either I have a problem in my python or in the python version of the library.
[23:56] <akk> redrabbit: I'd like to know too, but currently I have a little car I salvaged from a thrift shop.
[23:56] <redrabbit> ok
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[23:58] <akk> (and ... it was in my python, natch, fixed a bug I found while debugging the C version; wiringpi-python's MCP23017 is fine)
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