#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-02-11

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[0:54] <Duckle> So I just wanted to drop by here to say that webmin is awesome, and makes raspberrypies very very easy to work with :D
[0:55] <Duckle> Sure, you have to go via SSH for some things, but a lot of stuff can be done via webmin
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[1:01] <Maai> 3 months with the pi3. i still cannot print ACT data passes, no math programming, worried sick about using fast chips
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[1:07] <The_Noah> can the Pi 3 run Kodi watching a movie in 1080p without any buffering?
[1:07] <wyvern> loading data over a network or what?
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[1:08] <wyvern> Kodi on a Pi 3 has been flawless for me, but I'm using ethernet to a fast server
[1:08] <The_Noah> network, SD card, or USB
[1:08] * Maai is bleeding internally with no womb
[1:09] <wyvern> haven't tried the latter two.
[1:09] <Maai> 240p YouTube fullscreen at a push
[1:09] <The_Noah> what is the storage type of the server? (SSD, Hard Drive, etc)
[1:09] <Maai> windowed mode would be big plus
[1:09] <Maai> fibre connection
[1:10] <wyvern> ZFS raidz2 of plain ol' spinning rust
[1:10] <The_Noah> wow
[1:10] <wyvern> (ZFS is amazing; strongly recommended if you have multiple identical hard drives)
[1:11] <The_Noah> ok, i have tried Kodi on a Pi 3 in the past, and it didnt work very will, but it was reading from its slow SD card....
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[1:11] <The_Noah> is ZFS are hardware controller or software?
[1:11] <wyvern> software
[1:11] <wyvern> easily available on linux or freebsd
[1:11] <The_Noah> ok thanks
[1:12] <wyvern> slow sd card probably won't work well but a fast one might
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[1:12] <wyvern> 1080p isn't really all that high of a bitrate usually
[1:12] <The_Noah> i got the fastest one that wasnt over priced :D
[1:12] <wyvern> if you're curious about zfs, https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/ars-walkthrough-using-the-zfs-next-gen-filesystem-on-linux/ is old but still useful as an intro
[1:13] <The_Noah> ya... sadly the Pi can only output a max of 1080p, not that it maters because i only have 1080p screens :P
[1:13] <The_Noah> gotta eat, bye
[1:13] <wyvern> yeah I can't see pixels at 1080p at normal watching distance anyway
[1:13] <The_Noah> yup
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[1:14] <Maai> my resolution and HDMI memory is random
[1:15] <Maai> One setting in HDMI1 is different to HDMI2
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[1:16] <Maai> default, 1240x right now
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[1:16] <Maai> Can any one show me love ?
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[1:18] <wyvern> Maai: what are you having trouble with?
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[1:21] <Maai> Finding a couple of programmy, mathy, linuxy, steve joby, gatey users
[1:22] <GenteelBen> Do you want to spoon those people?
[1:23] <Maai> What i need to work on with computers
[1:23] <GenteelBen> A coffee enema and a smile.
[1:23] <Maai> i would fork them
[1:24] <Maai> you have dislike for loud, big minds?
[1:24] <Maai> i am loud, big mind
[1:24] <Maai> IoT 10 - did any one have success? i saw it as a hackers dream
[1:25] <Maai> i couldn't find the pass code to run VS
[1:25] <Maai> the media centre was disappionting
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[1:26] <GenteelBen> Every MS product released has been a success, Maai.
[1:26] <Maai> did you get far with IoT 10?
[1:26] <Maai> it came installed on my Pie
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[1:28] <Maai> is start to store notes on the SD card and format often. Paper is way safer to hold info on commands and file system space
[1:32] <Maai> too mcuh to do. you go shopping to buy chips for game making, then you search FSC paper sources, read too much into the till receipt, want to make your own footwear on the way home, check e-mail again, question why no one inboxes you, search online how to find a file on your computer, cook food ... errr
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[1:49] <Maai> Any Official Raspberry Pi channels?
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[2:06] <Maai> "QUAKE 3 ON PI?!?!
[2:07] <Maai> shame i have turned on Gold Source Engine
[2:08] <Maai> That means Unreal Engine 1 _is_ possibly on Pi3Dimensionalism
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[2:19] <Maai> so many hackers could speed up password guessing with "Bad: new password is too simple" code in-place
[2:20] <Maai> if changes your password could be "a", which would normally be unallowed before
[2:20] * Maai bread makes
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[3:24] <cdw3> I'm having some trouble with the iwconfig command. I can switch between unsecured WiFi networks from the desktop GUI, but the iwconfig command fails without any error messages.
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[3:49] <cdw3> I tried using "on" for essid, when specifying the bssid, and it worked that way.
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[5:18] <Maai> To cw3. aren't computers massive?
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[5:35] <godoranges> is there a way using a breadboard or anything else to power a small SPI or DPI LCD from the RPI without soldering?
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[6:18] <Vooloo> are there any frames to buy to fit pi into itx cases? I want to put an ssd with a pi inside a case
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[6:22] <Foxfir3_1> gps module. Which one is the best buy for the pi?
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> morning raspberry pips
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[10:33] <rendar> i have substituted 'jessie' with 'stretch' in /etc/apt/source.lst, when i do apt-get update i still get this: Get:5 https://deb.nodesource.com jessie/main Translation-en [162 B]
[10:34] <rendar> jessie/main, why?!
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[10:36] <niek> rendar: is there a nodesource.list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d perhaps?
[10:36] <rendar> niek: hmm wait, now it is downloading also stretch stuff
[10:37] <rendar> can't get why both
[10:37] <niek> From my Pi 3B:
[10:37] <niek> pi@raspberrypi:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat nodesource.list
[10:37] <niek> deb https://deb.nodesource.com/node_6.x stretch main
[10:37] <niek> deb-src https://deb.nodesource.com/node_6.x stretch main
[10:37] <rendar> niek: https://nopaste.chaoz-irc.net/view/f4f85a23
[10:37] <rendar> is this normal?
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[10:38] <rendar> niek: oh, ok, wait
[10:38] <niek> Seems like you have both stretch and jessie configured as package sources, for some reason.
[10:38] <rendar> [root sources.list.d]# cat nodesource.list
[10:38] <rendar> deb https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x jessie main
[10:38] <rendar> deb-src https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x jessie main
[10:38] <rendar> maybe this is the reason
[10:39] <niek> I'd bet it is, yes. There are probably some other files in sources.list.d other than just nodesource.list too.
[10:40] <Masker2424> anyone have experence getting Japaneses Station TV to work with Kodi
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[10:42] <rendar> niek: indeed, thanks, now it seems it's updating with apt-get upgrade, then i have to do apt-get dist-upgrade and then reboot, and i;m done, right?
[10:43] <niek> rendar: Hm, I'm not certain :) I've never performed such an upgrade myself.
[10:44] <niek> In that way.
[10:44] <rendar> ok
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> rendar, it should work - good luck and all that. it may take a few hours.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I did a wheezy to jessie a few months back it it took about 3 hours.
[10:48] <rendar> ok
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[10:49] <Maai> hi gordonDrogon
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[10:50] <Maai> i wonder why i get low buzzing on my hdmi and analog output
[10:51] <mlelstv> difficult to buzz on a digital output
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[10:52] <lembron> uhm, can one steal/redirect/tap into "/sys/class/leds/led*/trigger"with GPIO pins? -- more specifically, "i want to redirect/clone mmc1 to a gpio pin"
[10:52] <Maai> i did for a second remove the buzz by moving leads, yet it never sorted itself again
[10:52] <lembron> i assume thats some kinda interrupt or so one can listen for?
[10:53] <Masker2424> sounds like something is not grounded correctly Maai
[10:54] <Maai> i shall give the official powr supply :D a go
[10:55] <Maai> /quit switching off
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[10:55] <Masker2424> may the electrons be with you
[10:59] <Masker2424> ISDB-T si
[11:00] <Masker2424> anyone ever got isdb-t to work in kodi?
[11:05] <Masker2424> guess not lolz
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[12:44] <Chepra> If anyone has recommendations for 7 to 10inch touchscreens, with a high resolution, i would love to hear
[12:47] <Maai> iPhone 7
[12:48] <Maai> Motorla G3
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I guess by high resolution, you mean more than the 800x600 of the foundation 7" display ...
[12:48] <Maai> Kaos Pad
[12:50] <Maai> Kaoss ~£150
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[13:02] <darkslassh> should i buy nanopi k2? pretty much same specs as raspberry pi v1.2 but with 2gb ram
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> of-course not! (why are you asking this on the Raspberry Pi channel?)
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[13:08] <Maai> we own rasps
[13:09] <Maai> i get buzzing sound at times, i don't use the ethernet yet, Raspbian is ok, official adpater so far isn't needed, case may not be important
[13:10] <Maai> YouTube video's can't go above 240p fullscreen
[13:10] <Maai> desktp keeps changing
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[13:10] <Maai> Windows 10 IoT was very interesting
[13:10] <Maai> NOOBS helped loads
[13:11] <Maai> not a problem for a adult
[13:11] <Maai> no kid stuff
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Maai, what are you rabbiting on about?
[13:12] <Maai> My views on my purchase
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> ok....
[13:13] <Maai> Mindcraft ran very well windowed. Good little fun like Minesweeper
[13:13] <Maai> Mine*
[13:13] <Maai> shows 3d is possible
[13:13] <Maai> good hacky cheap computer
[13:13] <Maai> it would cost (if you had keyboard, mouse and USB lead) £30?
[13:15] <Maai> menu on UI/IDE preferencies are confusing layout
[13:15] <Maai> wiFi connectoin no problem
[13:15] <Maai> XWindow is cool
[13:15] <Maai> Custom ;)
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: 3d was possible on the Pi 6 years ago
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[13:18] <Maai> fwiw?
[13:19] <Maai> Quake 1 ran on Pentium 1?
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> no idea what Q1 ran on. I never played it. (fwiw - For What It's Worth)
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[13:21] <Chepra> gordonDrogon: yes, the official 7" has a kinda low resolution :)
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[13:33] <Chepra> best case would 10" inch, ~1200pixel one on side, and dustproof
[13:33] <Maai> UNreal was 1998. Can we guess what chips were about?
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[13:34] <Chepra> ah, and vesa mountable :)
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[13:35] <Maai> my first handed-down 3dfx card was Voodoo 3000 (?) which was complete foolish
[13:36] <Maai> Radeon 9000 2005
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[13:37] <Maai> 1MHz, x86, software mode 1994
[13:38] <Maai> OpenGL
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[13:39] <Maai> DirectX, Windows 98
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[13:41] <Maai> Pentium 1 - 300MHz is my _guess_
[13:41] <Maai> 333
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> I worked for a PC games company in about 96 I think. maybe 97. Our target was a Pentium 333 at the time with 384MB of RAM. That was cutting edge then from what I recall.
[13:47] <ShadowJK> Maybe pentium 133?
[13:47] <ShadowJK> That would match the era
[13:51] * MacGeek still has a pentium 100 system-on-card in a closet
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> I have successfully managed to get rid of all my old PC kit.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> I have no passion for it whatsoever - it's just generic beige boxes now.
[13:54] <MacGeek> I have kept everything
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> although my first Linux system was an 486dx @ 66MHz with 32MB of RAM...
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> actually, I still have the drive for that - 280MB.
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[13:55] <MacGeek> I still have my first mac, although it needs new capacitors
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> I have Apple II's, BBC Micro and a PDP-8...
[13:56] <MacGeek> I have started with the mac
[13:57] <MacGeek> I do have my sister's vic-20
[13:57] <MacGeek> but I have never used it
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[13:59] <Maai> After WWII the transistor was a gift?
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[14:00] <Maai> I grew with Windows until our iMac in 2010
[14:01] <Maai> hence why "piping" means house drainage to me
[14:02] <MacGeek> I never switched, always used the mac, since 1987
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[14:05] <Maai> i saw mouse and screen, no more
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[14:07] <Maai> try to get your hands on a 4004 these days?
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> not sure what i'd use a 4004 for ... other than to just have one ..
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[14:46] <wp> hi, how doy ou develop for the raspberrypi? is it best to install everyhting on the raspberry and then use a big screen attached to it so you develop right on the device? or can youcomfortably work from your PC and just transfer the programs?
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> I develop on the Pi by mostly using ssh to login to the Pi then using an editor and makefiles to edit & compile my code.
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[14:52] <ShorTie> putty and winscp from windows
[14:57] <wp> gordonDrogon, but how can you use a nice editor when on the pi?
[14:57] <wp> you use an editor ina console window?
[14:57] <wp> cant you just ssh over the files?
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[14:59] <ShorTie> nano works fine
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> I use vim, but I've used that & vi for the past 25 years.
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> actually closer to 30 years.
[15:09] <H__> vi/vim since '95 for me
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> I can ssh over files - so I could edit them, again with vim on my Linux desktop. It's really no different to me.
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> wp, what exactly are you after?
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[15:33] <wp> how can you automate giving the password from a script?
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> it depends what is is that's requesting the password.
[15:34] <wp> gordonDrogon, I want to be able to develop comfortably for my rpi0 -
[15:34] <wp> gordonDrogon, ssh
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> you can arrange passwordless login with ssh- that's very standard.
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> you generate a key on the machine you ssh FROM, copy this to the machine you ssh TO then the next login is passwordless.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> as for editing comfort - I find vim to be comfortable.
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> is your exiting desktop linux?
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[15:42] <wp> no win10
[15:43] <wp> and i i want o tive the password?
[15:45] <wp> tive->give
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> no idea about win10. I've not used MS for a long time now.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> I gues you're using putty?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> if so, then I'd lookup the putty documentation for how to generate keys.
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[17:01] <mfa298> wp: if you're using putty for SSH look at the PuTTYgen and pageant tools that come with it, PuTTYgen should let you create keys, pageant lets you load the keys into ram once and then can use those keys for any session, it also lets you use AgentForwarding which can help with connecting onwards (authenticated access to github etc)
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[17:04] <wp> i fixed
[17:04] <wp> i can now transfer and build projects with a script
[17:04] <wp> thanks
[17:04] <wp> anyway, is the camera for the rpi0 different than the one for the normal raspberry?
[17:04] <wp> it seems the connector is to wide
[17:05] <MacGeek> just the connector is different
[17:05] <MacGeek> the narrower zero camera connector should be included with the official zero case iirc
[17:05] <shauno> yeah. same camera, different cable
[17:05] <MacGeek> and it's probably also available separately
[17:06] <akk> It's available separately. And be careful if you buy that case: the camera doesn't really fit in it and it's easy to break a camera trying to force it in.
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[17:08] <shauno> huh. works fine here
[17:08] <akk> It may depend on the camera, maybe some cameras are slightly bigger than others.
[17:08] <akk> I saw comments on amazon about that so I tried to be careful with mine and not bend it, but I broke it anyway
[17:09] <akk> or at least it stopped working after I tried unsuccessfully to get it in the case.
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[17:09] <MacGeek> was it the official camera or a 3rd party one?
[17:10] <akk> I bought it from Adafruit many years ago, so it was a first-gen camera and presumably official.
[17:11] <akk> It may be that the second-gen camera fits but the first-gen doesn't
[17:11] <akk> but the case doesn't come with any warnings about that.
[17:13] <shauno> not sure I have a v1 to try. pretty sure I've got the v1 noir around here somewhere, but I've no idea where
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[17:13] <shauno> the v2.1 camera is pretty snug though. it's a nice snap-fit
[17:14] <akk> I have a v1 noir too but I'm not getting it anywhere near that case after killing one camera already.
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> I've a v1 noir and ordinary, but never really used them. I had plans, but ...
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I did stick the noir into my lasercutter to see if I could see anything though.
[17:17] <akk> My noir is in my crittercam, for which some day maybe I'll find a way to reduce the false positives.
[17:17] <akk> I'm hoping a ME007 might help, or maybe a beam-breaker.
[17:17] <MacGeek> looking at the mechanical drawings they appear to be pretty much the same size, except that the v2 module has rounded corners
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=FwwXQy2l_Uk
[17:18] <MacGeek> maybe that's what made the v1 fit poorly?
[17:18] <akk> Might be, though I don't remember the corners being the problem.
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[17:36] <wp> http://lpaste.net/362351 <- i dont get why i get multiple definitions when i compile that
[17:37] <Habbie> wp, do you have a github account?
[17:37] <wp> Habbie, no, why?
[17:37] <Habbie> wp, because the github pastebin allows you to put multiple files in one paste/gist and name them
[17:37] <Habbie> wp, i don't know what i'm looking at here; also you don't show the actual errors
[17:38] <wp> ah ok nice
[17:38] <wp> i pasted the errors
[17:38] <wp> now
[17:38] <Habbie> ok
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[17:40] <Habbie> so can you update the paste to mention what comes from what file?
[17:40] <Habbie> MYINCLUDES=/ looks wrong but is not the problem here
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[17:42] <wp> done
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[17:43] <Habbie> ah
[17:43] <Habbie> lines 62-70 in the current paste
[17:43] <Habbie> need to go into a .cpp OR inside the class declaration right above them
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[17:46] <wp> aha, i was used to doing it like that because i created templated classes recently
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[17:48] <Habbie> ah yes
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[17:50] <wp> thanks
[17:50] <wp> all good now
[17:50] <Habbie> wonderful
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[17:59] <wp> is it the same camera for pi2,3 and pi0? just different connector?
[17:59] <Habbie> that's what MacGeek told you half an hour ago, in any case :)
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[18:00] <MacGeek> wp: yes, it's just a different cable for the pi zero
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[18:02] <wp> it is the same connector on the other hand so does the rpi0 connector support less features (less connectors)?
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[18:03] <MacGeek> nope
[18:04] <MacGeek> it's just a smaller pitch connector
[18:04] <Habbie> oh same pinout?
[18:04] <MacGeek> in fact, the rpi0 connector has more pins than needed, and some are unpopulated.
[18:05] <Habbie> oh
[18:05] <fdtds> Anyone doing Retro gaming?
[18:05] <Habbie> fdtds, many people are
[18:05] <Habbie> fdtds, so just ask your question unless it's about acquiring ROMs
[18:05] <MacGeek> Habbie: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/Camera_cable_3_of_3_-2_1024x1024.JPG?v=1463152036
[18:05] <fdtds> Any channles on this?
[18:05] <Habbie> fdtds, there's #retropie but it's really for developers
[18:05] <Habbie> MacGeek, ah
[18:05] <fdtds> Any channles on the rom stuff
[18:06] <MacGeek> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81JBes1G3iL._SL1500_.jpg better view perhaps
[18:06] <wp> interesting, i opened my rpi0 housing and in it there is some sort of connector-converter
[18:06] <Habbie> fdtds, i just said, don't ask about it here
[18:06] <MacGeek> wp: that's exactly the camera cable you need to use instead of the one supplied with the camera module.
[18:06] <wp> https://www.electrokit.com/en/raspberry-pi-zero-official-case.54742
[18:07] <wp> like that
[18:07] <wp> great then i have it all!
[18:07] <MacGeek> remove the flex cable from the camera module, and put the wide end of the small cable in its place
[18:07] <MacGeek> then put the smaller end on the pi zero
[18:07] <MacGeek> and voila.
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[18:08] <gamma-x> can someone please help with ssh and default user/pass on a zero w running rasbian jessie?
[18:09] <fdtds> Any other good channles on Retro gaming?
[18:09] <MacGeek> default user/pass is pi/raspberry
[18:09] <Habbie> gamma-x, yes. go on!
[18:09] <gamma-x> Access is denied while using ssh over putty from a wind
[18:09] <fdtds> just about the elms?
[18:09] <gamma-x> while using the default user/pass that is.
[18:09] <Habbie> gamma-x, can you screenshot your putty?
[18:11] <gamma-x> haab
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[18:11] <gamma-x> Habbie, u want the wccess denied screen or settings?
[18:11] <Habbie> i meant the first but why not both
[18:12] <akk> gamma-x, did you enable ssh? Has it worked before on this system?
[18:12] <akk> (this zero w, I mean, not the system where you're running putty)
[18:13] <gamma-x> akk ive had issues setting up ssh over usb so i enabled wireless.
[18:13] <akk> gamma-x: You know ssh isn't enabled by default on raspbian, right? You have to enable it explicitly.
[18:14] <gamma-x> https://ibb.co/fD37an
[18:14] <gamma-x> https://ibb.co/fxrtFn
[18:14] <gamma-x> https://ibb.co/eDxdgS
[18:14] <gamma-x> correct i added a ssh file into root
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[18:17] <HalfMadDad> Hi Everyone. I hope I am not being a downer... I have some concerns about flash cards, they don't seem very dependable. Is there anyway to run a RPI without depending on a flash card?
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[18:18] <gamma-x> Habbie, ive attached some screen grabs :)
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[18:21] <wp> anyone know a good guide to use the camera from C/C++?
[18:21] <wyvern> HalfMadDad: poor quality SD cards are... poor quality. If you use a good one, it should be fine.
[18:22] <HalfMadDad> hi wyvern okay, let me look into this further
[18:22] <HalfMadDad> I thought they all were pretty bad but maybe there are good ones
[18:22] <wyvern> there's a pretty big market of fake cards out there too
[18:22] <wyvern> buy one from a reputable retailer with a good brand like SanDisk and you should be ok
[18:22] <wyvern> if it seems like an impossibly good deal, it probably is fake
[18:22] <HalfMadDad> okay thanks
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[18:23] <wyvern> note that SanDisk (and other mfgs) have several different speed classes. Take a look at the options and pick what you need
[18:23] <Habbie> gamma-x, so, are you sure the IP is correct?
[18:23] <wyvern> Even big fast SD cards are still pretty cheap so if you only need to buy 1, get a good one. If you need to buy 10 or 100 then you can start to shave off a few bucks off each card
[18:24] <HalfMadDad> wyvern, okay. I only need one
[18:24] <HalfMadDad> I just don't want my system to go down
[18:24] <HalfMadDad> maybe I will also look into
[18:24] <HalfMadDad> backup up options too
[18:24] <MacGeek> HalfMadDad: the rpi3 can be network booted and therefore be used without a sd card at all
[18:25] <HalfMadDad> MacGeek, ah! good to know!
[18:25] <MacGeek> it can also boot via usb, from an external ssd or hard drive
[18:25] <HalfMadDad> even better!
[18:25] <HalfMadDad> this is probably the answer
[18:25] <MacGeek> HalfMadDad: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/
[18:25] <HalfMadDad> I actually want to mount the RPI
[18:25] <HalfMadDad> in a computer case
[18:26] <HalfMadDad> I could mount the harddrive and
[18:26] <HalfMadDad> just boot off it'
[18:26] <HalfMadDad> thanks for the link too
[18:26] <gamma-x> Habbie, https://ibb.co/jpVjo7
[18:27] <Habbie> ok
[18:27] <Habbie> and you are typing the 'raspberry' password correctly?
[18:27] <gamma-x> lol yup
[18:27] <gamma-x> i promise
[18:28] <gamma-x> ha! nope
[18:28] <Habbie> doh?
[18:28] <gamma-x> Habbie, its taken me a week but uve found my problem ... smh. didnt know there was a P in there!
[18:28] <MacGeek> ...
[18:28] <wyvern> HalfMadDad: I'd still just get a SD card. Very lower power usage, etc. https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Ultra-Memory-MicroSDHC-SDSQUNC-032G-AN6IA/dp/B011Z77M0C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1518370112&sr=1-1&keywords=SDSQUNC-032G-AN6IA is a good quality 32GiB card for $14...
[18:28] <Habbie> i have no words that i can safely say here
[18:28] <Habbie> but i am glad it is resolved
[18:29] <gamma-x> Habbie, thanks mate!
[18:29] <Habbie> np!
[18:29] <HalfMadDad> hi wyvern
[18:29] <HalfMadDad> I'll try both :)
[18:30] <gamma-x> is there a vnc type application thats installed on raspian?
[18:30] <Habbie> i'm pretty sure raspi-config allows you to enable one
[18:30] <wyvern> can apt-get anything you need, or probably just X forward out of the box
[18:31] <MacGeek> gamma-x: yes, realvnc is installed by default
[18:31] <MacGeek> you can enable it from the raspberry pi configuration app
[18:31] <gamma-x> MacGeek, thanks!
[18:31] <MacGeek> gamma-x: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jjsohnucvgitcmn/Screenshot%202018-02-11%2018.31.48.png?dl=0
[18:33] <gamma-x> MacGeek, im on a headless zero w so its all cmdline base until vnc :)
[18:33] <MacGeek> raspi-config then
[18:33] <gamma-x> woooo tx
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[18:33] <wp> hmm. the rpi0 no longer has an internet connection. what do i do now? what did i do the first time? i put off the rpi without shutting it down, just pulled the plug. then inserted the camera and started and internet was gone. then removed camera and put the power back. no internet
[18:33] <MacGeek> https://www.dropbox.com/s/55buyhnu6la5epy/Screenshot%202018-02-11%2018.33.46.png?dl=0
[18:33] <wp> how do you use it the first time without internet?
[18:34] <MacGeek> wp: you edit the wpa_supplicant.conf file on the sd card directly
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> wp, you can drop in the right wpa config for wi-fi and enable remote ssh before first boot
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[18:37] <gamma-x> is there any big changes to going from jessie to stretch?
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[18:38] <MacGeek> no idea there, my ownership only dates back to, uhm, a couple of weeks or so, so I've been on stretch from the start
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[18:38] <gamma-x> i wanna setup static ip but theres some information about things changing in stretch
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[18:46] <MacGeek> all I know is that once you get the gui running there's an applet for IP configuration
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm still on jessie, so no idea here ..
[18:46] <MacGeek> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9y3cupdear7ykq0/Screenshot%202018-02-11%2018.46.48.png?dl=0
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[18:56] <wp> now when i open the sd card in my computer it says i need to format it. has it been corrupted then?
[18:57] <Syliss> possible
[18:57] <MacGeek> if you pulled power while it was accessing the sd, likely
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[19:02] <Habbie> or your computer is confused about it not being a single fat32 partition
[19:05] <Syliss> mac or pc wp?
[19:05] <wp> PC, win10
[19:05] <wp> how should i format it?
[19:06] <Syliss> for pi?
[19:06] <Syliss> fat32
[19:06] <Habbie> stop
[19:06] <Habbie> that's not a useful answer
[19:06] <Syliss> sorry saw what not how
[19:06] <Habbie> it won't become more bootable or anything if you do that
[19:07] <Syliss> was it in your pi before working?
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[19:08] <ShorTie> just write a image to it
[19:08] <ShorTie> no need to format
[19:09] <ShorTie> and the sdcard could be trashed too....
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[19:57] <wp> what is the actual image i flash to the sd card using noobs and etcher?
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd flash raspbian rather than noobs.
[20:00] <wp> why is there a boot part of the sd card?
[20:00] <wp> cant i overwrite that?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> the SD card needs the first partition to be formatted as FAT
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> the ROM code inside the Pi can only read from a FAT filesystem.
[20:01] <Syliss> i like noobs, its easy, but im also lazy
[20:01] <wp> gordonDrogon, why raspbian?
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> so you need at least 2 partitions to get you going - one FAT for the boot, and the other, normally ext4 for Linux.
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> why raspbian and not noobs - well you've got me there. probably because raspbian is the same as debian which I've been using for over 25 years nos.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> but from what I gather you can image the system with raspbian from noobs.
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[20:05] <wp> it seems i dont need to flash? i can just copy paste it onto the sd card?
[20:05] <Habbie> noobs you can
[20:05] <Habbie> raspbian you cannot
[20:05] <Habbie> as far as i know
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[20:05] <wp> but what is the part on the sd card called boot? should i format it as well?
[20:06] <Syliss> noobs has raspbian on it, it just gives you options to download an dual boot other distros as well
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[20:07] <Syliss> if you are just dumping noobs on it, flash it to fat32, unzip noobs, drag and drop
[20:07] <ShorTie> it's not really a daul booting thing
[20:07] <Syliss> format*
[20:07] <Habbie> ShorTie, indeed it is not
[20:07] <Habbie> ShorTie, this keeps confusing people
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[20:08] <Stromeko> wp: The images are meant to be written to the raw device, no need to format anything. After the image has been written, you'll see two partitions, one boot and the other for the root fs.
[20:08] <ShorTie> it's for quick re-install of raspbian basically, for like schools
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[20:09] <wp> do i need to remove that boot part?
[20:09] <mfa298> Noobs is just an installer, and I think the theory is that it's simpler to use than writing images to the SD card. But I've never found it that hard to just write a raspbian image to the SD card and that gives you more space on the card (no need for noobs using up space)
[20:09] <wp> i just copypasted onto the big part of the sd card
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[20:10] <Stromeko> wp: Not if you write it with dd or (on Windows) with one of the imager tools out there. The SD must not be mounted at all if you use dd, so the question of "which part of the SD do I use" doesn't even enter.
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[20:11] <mfa298> if the SD card has already had a Pi setup on it you probably need extra tools to wipe out all the partitions to make it work with noobs - if you've now got two partitions on it with noobs on the 2nd (bigger) partition that probably wont work
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[20:11] <Stromeko> No you don't. They're just overwritten.
[20:11] <Syliss> lol we are all just confusing wp i bet
[20:12] <mfa298> noob always used to be something you extract to a fat32 partition not an image you write with dd/etcher/...
[20:12] <mfa298> as that was supposed to be easier for people to use rather than writing a raw disk image.
[20:12] <wp> which is the boot directory? just the root of the sd card?
[20:13] <Stromeko> So, wp, do you even want to use NOOBS?
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[20:14] <Syliss> and Habbie, noobs allows you to multi-boot...
[20:14] <wp> with noobs i need to connect a mouse and keyboard to continue?
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[20:14] <Stromeko> In that case, you need to format the SD card as a single FAT partition, then follow the installation instruction for NOOBS.
[20:14] <Syliss> yes wp
[20:14] <wp> i just want something that works imediately
[20:15] <mfa298> wp: lots of instructions that should work and have pictures https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/software-guide/quickstart/
[20:15] <Stromeko> Otherwise, get a Raspian image and put that directly onto the SD card. All previous partitioning and formatting on that card will be gone, so you don't need to bother.
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[20:16] <mfa298> there's details on there for how to properly format the SD card for NOOBS or how to write the raspbian image using etcher
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[20:17] <Stromeko> If you don't want to connect a mouse and keyboard, then you need to enable ssh before the first boot by dropping an empty file named "ssh" (without the quotes) onto the boot partition of the SD card. You should not let the rPi onto a publicly visible network until you've changed the password for the pi user in this case.
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[20:19] <Stromeko> (For Windows you only see the boot partition since it doesn't know about the ext4 file system).
[20:19] <mfa298> if you wont want to connect a mouse and keyboard that probably also means you should use the "Download and image Raspbian directly" set of instructions on that guide I linked rather than using NOOBS (I think NOOBS pretty much requires the use of mouse/keyboard and monitor)
[20:19] <MacGeek> I thought windows supported ext4?
[20:20] <mfa298> MacGeek: nope, Windows only supports MS filesystems
[20:20] <Stromeko> MacGeek: Only in WSL and not by default.
[20:20] <mfa298> although I think there's some 3rd party drivers that might supprot ext4 (or might just break things)
[20:20] <Stromeko> I don't think it lets you use ext4 fs in explorer even then.
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[20:23] <Stromeko> Anyway, if you prepare the SD card on Linux, you can customize things on the root partition as well. I usually change the hostname and passwords directly so they're set up before the first boot.
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[20:25] <gamma-x> how can I auto start an application and whenever it may"crash" it would auto restart
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[20:28] <mfa298> gamma-x: if it's a daemon/ console application then making a systemd service is probably the best option
[20:29] <mfa298> if it's a gui program then I'm not sure the best options (or even if there is a solution)
[20:29] <gamma-x> mfa298, its called xlink, it runs in background
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[20:35] <collyrium> a script added to /etc/rc.local with the contents `while true; do xlink && break; done` should start it on boot and restart it on exit
[20:37] <Stromeko> collyrium: Yeah, but if he wants it properly integrated into the rest of the system or ever cleanly wants to shut it down he needs to write a systemd service unit for it.
[20:37] <gamma-x> so would I do both?
[20:41] <collyrium> Stromeko is right. it'd be easier to ask systemd to restart it.
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[20:51] <gamma-x> would this be correct? [Service]
[20:51] <gamma-x> WorkingDirectory=/home/Downloads/kaiEngine-7.4.31
[20:51] <gamma-x> ExecStart=node /home/Downloads/kaiEngine-7.4.31/kaiengine
[20:51] <gamma-x> Restart=always
[20:51] <gamma-x> StandardOutput=syslog
[20:51] <gamma-x> StandardError=syslog
[20:51] <gamma-x> SyslogIdentifier=propanel
[20:51] <gamma-x> User=root
[20:51] <gamma-x> Group=root
[20:51] <gamma-x> Environment=NODE_ENV=production
[20:51] <gamma-x> [Install]
[20:52] <gamma-x> the executable is kaiengine would i just put ExecStart=node /home/Downloads/kaiEngine-7.4.31/./kaiengine
[20:52] <gamma-x> instead?
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[21:27] <wp> do i first need to format the entire SD card before i flash it?
[21:27] <wp> now it has a boot and a normal parition
[21:27] <wp> should there be 1 or 2 partitios?
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[21:32] <willy23123> 2 one fat and one ext4
[21:33] <willy23123> Use sdformatter 4.0 from the sr card association to format and remove the 2 partitions
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[21:36] <wp> ok i just burned the raspbian img with etcher
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[21:38] <wp> went wrong
[21:38] <Stromeko> wp: How?
[21:38] <mfa298> wp: if you use the rapbian image with etcher then that should just work, no need or formatting or anything.
[21:40] <mfa298> the first boot on the Pi takes a few minutes as it resizes the partition.
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[21:41] <wp> etcher failed to unmount
[21:41] <wp> do i need to formt the sd card first or not ?
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[21:42] <gamma-x> i still cant believe a raspberry pi zero is 5 and 10 dollars...
[21:43] <wp> willy23123, how big should they be?
[21:43] <Stromeko> wp: No, for a full image you do not mount the SD card and you do not need to format or partition it either.
[21:43] <wp> is ext=exFAT?
[21:44] <wp> Stromeko, so i just burn it into the SD card, put the sd card into the rpi0 and power it on?
[21:44] <Stromeko> Once the image is burned, if you look at the card again it will have two partitions, a small FAT32 one for boot and a lerger ext4 one for the root.
[21:44] <wp> ok
[21:44] <wp> so what could the unmount fail be?
[21:44] <Stromeko> This second partition will be resized to take up the entire free space of the SD card on the first boot.
[21:45] <wp> and the SSH file an d wpa_supplicant.conf should go where? just in the boot?
[21:45] <Stromeko> wp: If you've mounted the card before and you run somthing that doesn't let go of the mount.
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[21:46] <wp> so what do first to prevent that?
[21:47] <[Saint]> Yes, in /boot, and - why would you want to?
[21:47] <Stromeko> wp: not mounting the SD card in the first place helps.
[21:47] <[Saint]> errr...what?
[21:47] <wp> but what does it mean to mount? i use win10
[21:48] <wp> [Saint], to have SSH from the start
[21:48] <[Saint]> ssh I understand, I suppose I probably parsed the order of conversation wrong.
[21:48] <Stromeko> Then just don't use it in explorer and wait until the antivirus is done with it.
[21:48] <[Saint]> it seemed as though you were wanting to prevent the partition from being resized.
[21:48] <[Saint]> but that's probably just unfortunate post ordering.
[21:49] <Stromeko> The ssh file goes onto the boot partition (the first, small FAT32 one).
[21:49] <[Saint]> there's only one partition he can mount without effort in Windows.
[21:49] <[Saint]> He won't miss it.
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[21:51] <Stromeko> The wpa_supplicant.conf file would need to go into the root partition that you can't access from Windows.
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[21:52] <[Saint]> <wp> is ext=exFAT?
[21:52] <[Saint]> No.
[21:52] <stiv> does this file make my partition look FAT?
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[21:54] <mfa298> Stromeko: you can put a wpa_supplicant.conf in the boot partition and it gets copied over to the right place on first boot
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[21:56] <[Saint]> I just set that up on the first boot, may as well change it when you're changing your locale and timezone anyway.
[21:56] <wp> OK this time it worked but now i cant see the SD card anymore so how can i put the SSH and wpa_supplicant.conf files onot?
[21:57] <[Saint]> eject and remount the volume.
[21:57] <mfa298> with etcher you need to remove the sd card and plug it back in.
[21:58] <capin> anyone have issues using latest version of chromium to watch web streams, ie, the olympic stream from the nbc website?
[21:58] <mfa298> [Saint]: harder to do if the Pi is only connected by wifi with no keyboard/sceen attached. that's when ssh/wpa_supplicant on the boot partition are useful.
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[21:59] <[Saint]> dude's obviously got a screen and a keyboard to use. ;)
[22:02] <wp> this is my wpa_supplicant.conf: network={
[22:02] <wp> ssid="MY_SSID"
[22:02] <wp> psk="Wireless KEY"
[22:02] <wp> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
[22:02] <wp> }
[22:02] <wp> not working...
[22:02] <wp> Reply from 192.168.xx.yyy: Destination host unreachable.
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[22:04] <[Saint]> You didn't explicitly set your channel configuration.
[22:05] <[Saint]> It's probably trying to use a channel your base station doesn't support.
[22:05] <[Saint]> Or vice versa.
[22:05] <[Saint]> alternatively - plug in a screen and a keyboard and do this all in raspi-config.
[22:06] <mfa298> you shouldn't need any channel info in wpa_supplicant, but I think there are a few other lines you do need in there.
[22:06] <wp> i am pretty sure this worked before but not 100%
[22:10] <[Saint]> mfa298: you would if your AP is using a channel not supported by the preconfigured locale. Odd cases though I suppose.
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[22:11] <mfa298> wp: this is what I have for a jessie Install, that should also work on Stretch (the most recent version of raspbian) https://gist.github.com/m1ari/c05f6293716040a8ff416d6cd2c6eb0a
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[22:12] <mfa298> [Saint]: that would should be handled by the coutry= definition in wpa_supplicant, although with the Pi defaulting to GB for most things that would cover the channels used in the majority of places (I think Japan is one of the few places where there's a channel not covered by the GB config)
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[22:21] <wp> i guess i need to use the keyboard but wait
[22:22] <wp> hdmi how can i use hdmi? the hdmi cable is not the normal one
[22:22] <wp> i need to buy one to be able to debug
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[22:23] <[Saint]> miniHDMI pretty much /is/ "the normal one" these days.
[22:23] <wp> the green power butto, should it be consistently on? it kind of flashes quickly
[22:24] <[Saint]> Very few consumer devices are large enough or have a thick enough profile to support a fullsize HDMI port.
[22:24] <[Saint]> it'll all be USB-C soon enough.
[22:24] <wp> ok
[22:24] <wp> wel i need to buy a new hdmi cable then because im stuck... :(
[22:25] <wp> what is the difference between the 2 power ports?
[22:26] <wp> can you add a program to the boot partition that does something and flashes a LED?
[22:26] <wp> now i got nothing
[22:26] <collyrium> any way to connect via ethernet?
[22:26] <wp> its rpi0
[22:27] <collyrium> ah
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[22:27] <wp> how do i connect a keybaord to it?
[22:27] <wp> USB hub ?
[22:27] <MacGeek> microusb to usb
[22:27] <MacGeek> or bluetooth
[22:27] <MacGeek> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/headless-raspberry-pi-configuration-over-bluetooth/
[22:28] <MacGeek> this may be useful for you
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[22:29] <mfa298> wp: one usb port on the Zero is power only, the other is proper usb (the power pins on both are connected to each other)
[22:29] <gamma-x> ok i finally got it. a few revisions to the file, put the exe in /xlink dir and removed some excess junk from module file and its up. how can i tell if it will start auto maticly and how do i know it will attempt to auto restart if crashed?
[22:30] <mk-fg> mozilla page links to SO thread with ext4 tools for windows, which apparently support read/write to ext4, TIL
[22:30] <wp> ok but can i use a USB-hub that can conenct to the rpi0 with a microusb connector?
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[22:34] <wp> the annoying thing about this is that it is not debuggable at all
[22:35] <wp> will the mouse and keyboard just work?
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[22:40] <MacGeek> yes
[22:42] <wp> does the boot parition change after first run?
[22:42] <[Saint]> No.
[22:42] <wp> the wpa_supplicant.conf file was gone...how can that be?
[22:43] <[Saint]> It did its job. It was transported and erased. It isn't checked for validity first.
[22:43] <[Saint]> it'll let you copy in any old garbage.
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[22:45] <wp> so it means something is working...just not the way it should
[22:45] <wp> what does the green LED indicate by blinking?
[22:45] <MacGeek> sd card activity
[22:47] <wp> ok
[22:47] <wp> how can i debug with before i have keyboard/screen or ssh? am i completely left to guessing or is there something i can do?
[22:48] <MacGeek> you can make an image, as explained in that mozilla link I pasted earlier on, that allows you to connect to the console via bluetooth
[22:48] <MacGeek> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/headless-raspberry-pi-configuration-over-bluetooth/
[22:49] <MacGeek> once you get access to the console you can then figure out what's wrong with your network configuration
[22:49] <MacGeek> and once you get the network configuration right you can enable ssh and vnc and connect that way.
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[22:51] <mfa298> you could probably also set the Pi0 up as a usb serial gadget device and then treat it like a serial connection to login and do stuff.
[22:52] <mfa298> that might be easier than trying to do some bluetooth thing.
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[22:54] <gamma-x> so i can get my systemd service to auto start on boot but i can get it to start when i systemctl start foo.service
[22:56] <[Saint]> gamma-x: is it enabled?
[22:56] <gamma-x> yes
[22:57] <gamma-x> xlinkkai.service enabled
[22:57] <[Saint]> Interesting.
[22:58] <wp> ah - which format should the wpa_supplicant.conf file be?
[22:58] <wp> ANSI or UTF-8?
[22:58] <wp> maybe linux/unix cant read my windows file prperly,,,
[22:58] <gamma-x> wp i used notepad++ and then added .conf extension if i remember correctly
[22:59] <mfa298> wp: ansi probably, you might want to base it off the gist I pasted a bit earlier as well, which should give all the required bits
[22:59] <wp> shoudl there be a blank limne after the closing } or it does not matter+
[23:00] <wp> ?
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[23:00] <mfa298> probably don't need that, it might have gone in my gist as the config I based it on has two networks defined
[23:03] <wp> should i use the pwr usb or the usb usb?
[23:04] <mfa298> for powering the pi it doesn't matter, if you want usb data then you need the usb one (not the power one)
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[23:16] <capin> anyone here using their laptop keyboard or cellphone to send key press events to the raspi over bluetooth? and does such a thing exsist?
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[23:17] <akk> In theory the raspi should be able to just read a bluetooth keyboard, shouldn't it? (I ask as someone who doesn't own a bluetooth keybaord)
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[23:19] <capin> akk: i ask because i don't have a bluetooth keyboard, but i use my laptop all the time, and it has bt 4.0, and it would shure be nice to send key presses from laptop to the raspi over bluetooth
[23:19] <[Saint]> akk: if it's paired, and enumerates in a sane fahion, yes. absolutely.
[23:19] <[Saint]> *fashion
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[23:21] <akk> The only time I tried to pair a bluetooth thingie (a speaker) with a Pi, it failed miserably, but keyboard might be easier than speakers.
[23:21] <akk> And judging by my car and phone, maybe it's normal for bluetooth pairings to be hideously unreliable.
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[23:26] <mfa298> capin: don't know if you could make the PC appear as a keyboard to the pi (that just sounds a bit messy), but you might be able to get the Pi to appear as a serial device with a console on it and connect from a PC that way (use something like putty to connect to the BT serial device)
[23:28] <capin> mfa298: that's not what i'm after, I'd like to be able to toggle keyboard inputs, one for local input obviously for my local os running my laptop and then send keypress events to the pi via bt
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[23:30] <puff> Good evening all.
[23:31] <mfa298> good luck with that, it might be possible if you can fiddle with the drivers suitably, but my suspicion is it won't be an easy task
[23:32] <[Saint]> switching full control over is going to be "so insane it's probably best regarded as impossible"
[23:32] <[Saint]> sending events on a few modifier combinations, sure, you can do that.
[23:33] <[Saint]> Not trivial, but in the realms of accepted possibility.
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[23:34] <capin> yeah i've done some bluetooth programming in the past, but I'd think it'd better suited to make an app that works on iOS and Android first then work on a macOS app.
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[23:38] <[Saint]> You wouldn;t even need to make one. This exists already.
[23:38] <[Saint]> Unified Remote, for example.
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[23:40] <capin> yuck, that requires a server process run on the raspi
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[23:49] <puff> Is there/what is the generally appropriate way to set up an rpi to be used as an appliance, i.e. no keyboard/mouse/monitor, you boot it up and it connects to the local network with DHCP, now you need to discover its address from your other device (phone app, desktop app), how do you do that?
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[23:50] <MacGeek> puff: just use its hostname
[23:51] <MacGeek> raspberrypi.local or whatever you choose instead of raspberrypi
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[23:51] <[Saint]> that depends on how much your router sucks or doesn't.
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[23:51] <[Saint]> The bulletproof method is to just log in to the router and see what it's been assigned from the DHCP pool.
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[23:52] <capin> most routers also support assigning a static route for connected devices too.
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[23:53] <MacGeek> isn't the whole point of zeroconf/bonjour/rendezvous/avahi that you don't need specific router support to make it work since it uses multicast?
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[23:54] <[Saint]> MacGeek: I feel like you're really underestimating how critically broken most consumer router sotware is.
[23:54] <[Saint]> I recently found one that managed to hardcode a typo into local resolution.
[23:55] <[Saint]> I only found out by accident when it worked when *I* made a typo.
[23:55] <MacGeek> I've beta tested routers for a while and I've never come across one that broke zeroconf
[23:55] <[Saint]> raspberrypi.locla
[23:55] <[Saint]> yep. locla.
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[23:55] <MacGeek> (netgear consumer routers)
[23:56] <MacGeek> the router I'm using right now is a former beta unit in fact
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[23:56] <mfa298> the zeroconf stuff doesn't need anything happening on the router, it's all between the clients on the network.
[23:56] <mfa298> however I don't think windows supports it natively so you need to install something for it to work from windows
[23:57] <MacGeek> mfa298: hence my previous post
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[23:58] <mfa298> MacGeek: I was trying to back you up ;)
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