#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-02-16

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[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:56:29 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Successfully activated service '
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:56:47 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:56:47 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Successfully activated service '
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:57:05 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:57:06 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Successfully activated service '
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:59:18 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Activating via systemd: service
[0:00] <wp> Feb 15 22:59:24 raspberrypi dbus[217]: [system] Successfully activated service '
[0:01] <boomclick> can you modify/create other files on your drive?
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[0:03] <wp> yes
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[0:06] <boomclick> im not sure why you would get that error. i would reboot and try again.
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[0:08] <wadadli> woohoo, just got my first pi 😺
[0:11] <boomclick> congratulations.
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[0:15] <wadadli> not quite sure what to actually do with it heh!
[0:16] <Kryczek> don't (kernel) panic! heh
[0:18] <boomclick> i like starting servers on my pi with no gui, i recommend it.
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[0:21] <wp> anyone here that have built raspbian or something else with opencv already installed? any good guides there? i dont want to set it up every time...
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[0:22] <boomclick> wp: make an image of your pi's sd card with opencv installed. just install from that image.
[0:23] <wp> yes but how do i do that?
[0:23] <wadadli> Kryczek: heh! good idea, let's build a kernel.
[0:24] <wp> boomclick, now after i have installed raspbian and then fetched open cv, can i burn my sd card to an image? (meaning i burned an image and used it on the pi, then installed opencv, can i then reburn that as an image?
[0:26] <boomclick> wp: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/filesystem/backup.md
[0:26] <boomclick> yes, there are multiple ways.
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[0:27] <boomclick> the article only shows dd, but there are other ways.
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[0:50] <mfa298> wp: a better approach might be to write a script to do the install and setup if it's somethign you need to do often, or just write a set of notes you can copy and paste
[0:51] <mfa298> creating an image you can easily and quickly write to an SD get's a bit more tricky.
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[1:17] <wp> im stuck at: Running setup.py bdist_wheel for numpy ... |
[1:17] <wp> anyone familiar?
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[1:25] <hypercore> what should i do with my pi?
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[1:27] <boomclick> hypercore: everything you've ever dreamed. build a server, automate something, or just explore.
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[2:09] <Kryczek> Is it possible to use the RPi's headphone socket as a serial port?
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[2:12] <Kryczek> I mean, I already have cables like that for example: https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-02444-Velocity/dp/B006QSQVBM
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[2:13] <Kryczek> and it would help to not have to disassemble this tricky-to-assemble case, and to not have to remove the GPS shield currently covering all the GPIOs :)
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[2:34] <Codsworth> does the rpi3 support monitor mode?
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[2:57] <CoJaBo> Codsworth: support.. what?
[2:58] <Codsworth> well. does monitor mode work with rpi3?
[2:58] <Codsworth> or do you still have to buy external network adapters to use monitor mode
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[3:08] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=raspberry+pi+3
[3:09] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=raspberry+pi+3+monitor+mode
[3:09] <HrdwrBoB> even
[3:09] <HrdwrBoB> https://github.com/seemoo-lab/nexmon
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[3:36] <Codsworth> thanks bob for the last link
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[3:42] <redrabbit> never worked for me
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[3:46] <Codsworth> redrabbit, must work for somebody lol
[3:46] <Codsworth> I feel ya though..i've has stuff that I just couldn't get to work
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[3:57] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[3:59] <redrabbit> i gave up quickly though
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[3:59] <redrabbit> using appropriate nics did the trick
[4:02] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[4:02] <HrdwrBoB> for <$20, and really probably <$10 you can get one that will JustWork
[4:02] <HrdwrBoB> so eh
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[4:04] <redrabbit> would be nice for tiny factor only
[4:04] <redrabbit> i believe its limited vs using a proper nic anyway
[4:04] <redrabbit> iirc, thats why i gave up
[4:07] <redrabbit> + sub par range vs proper nic
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[4:09] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[4:09] <HrdwrBoB> sometimes it's just a time tradeoff
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[4:09] <HrdwrBoB> for stuff you know can just work
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[6:43] <primenum> anyone ever setup two way audio with a camera on a raspberry pi?
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[7:39] <Codsworth> good idea primenum
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[8:55] <Greg-J> Any tips for desoldering the usb and ethernet off a raspberry pi? My plan is wick it with a chisel tip at around 400c first and then use the hot air gun to finish the job.
[8:55] <Greg-J> I have never desoldered anything that is this stuck to a board though, so advice/tips are appreciated.
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[8:59] <Li> how to protect information raspberry pi sdcard from users? in other words, it's possible to encrypt or make binary version of sdcard memory contents?
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[9:01] <Lartza> Li, It is possible to encrypt the root partition if you like. It's of course also possible to just encrpyt your personal files too
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[9:53] <cerion> h. I have a tehcknet powerbank (9000mAh with 1A or 2A output) and a rpi0 powers up but shutdown just after part of the boot sequence say 25 seconds. I thought the current drawn was not enough and the powerbank shutdhown automatically. Now I bought another one a UrbanFactory 4000MAh 1A output and at first it worked from what I remmeber. But now i behave the same. why ?
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[10:07] <Li> Lartza: I want to ship out raspbian sdcards for raspberry but I'm not sure how to protect my work. the config text file will clear password to work around everything
[10:10] <Li> another electronics question is about connect mosfet gate to gpio output signal, should that be OK knowing that the source and drain will be connected/grounded to completely diffrent power source other than the pi itself?
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[10:12] <zleap> Li: what is on your cards then?
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[10:35] <Li> zleap: control application
[10:36] <zleap> so this is a custom distro sd card with the software on
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[10:37] <Li> I'm not sure if we can call it custom card, it's just the normal raspbian os or any pi os but I want to protect the code on it
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[10:38] <zleap> if the code is compiled and non gpl type license you should be ok
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[10:38] <zleap> kinda like the codecs they are closed source
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[10:39] <lastaid> has anyone experienced this bug with arch and the compute module3 ?
[10:40] <lastaid> https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=12525
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[10:40] <Li> zleap: I was not asking whether it's ok or not, the question was how to protect the code.
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[10:41] <zleap> i know, i was just saying the codecs are closed source which kinda makes them protected
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[10:42] <zleap> so if your program is just the binary file,k unless someone tries to reverse engineer then no one has access to the source etc
[10:42] <zleap> open / closed source can co-exist fine,
[10:46] <Li> zleap: nope the program is text based script which is why I'm asking how to protect the whole sd card
[10:47] <BurtyB> don't let them have it
[10:47] <Li> BurtyB: smart ass
[10:50] <BurtyB> maybe starting with the language would help but with most interpreted languages you'd have a hard time preventing it if people tried hard enough
[10:50] <ShorTie> it's the only true way though
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[11:01] <lastaid> #debian
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> Li, mosfets won't normally talk to gpio outputs as you need a higher voltage at the gate to enable it to be fully on - look for logic level mosfets though.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> Li, oh - you want separate grounds - opto isolators then.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Li, and your software model is wrong. Give them the code but sell support. There is no effective way to hide a plain text script.
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[11:12] <tomeaton17> I have got a working install of my project on a pi zero, if I create an image of it will it work on a pi 3?
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> a Zero SD card will just plug into a 3.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> (or it should, assuming everything is up to date)
[11:15] <tomeaton17> But they have different architecture?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> that's taken care of.
[11:15] <tomeaton17> Okay cool
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> at least - the raspbian side of it all is fine.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> who knows about your own code - well you do, so ..
[11:15] <tomeaton17> Yeah, the stuff I compiled is probably not then
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> it should be fine if it's just comiled using no special flags.
[11:16] <tomeaton17> Well we shall see!
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> although I imagine it's an issue the other way - v3 to Zero.
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[11:19] <tomeaton17> Okay, I am creating an image of the sd card, but because its 16gb sd card it creates a 16gb image with dd. Will this cause a problem when I try to flash onto say an 8gb sd card
[11:20] <ShorTie> yup, it will fail
[11:21] <ShorTie> can you fit a gallon of water into a hafe-gallon bottle ??
[11:22] <tomeaton17> Okay, how do I make it not create a 16gb image then, I have shrunk the partition to the smallest size possible so actual data is around 2.4gb but it still creates a 16gb image
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> if you have another Linux system, then you can use rsync to copy the data off the 'source' SD card into a directory then back to the new SD card.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> that way you copy the files not the device blocks.
[11:23] <tomeaton17> Okay, ideally I would like to create an image that can be easily flashed to multiple devices with dd
[11:23] <ShorTie> if you only have a pi, look to rpi-clone
[11:23] <tomeaton17> I am on arch right now
[11:23] <mfa298> you can tell dd how many blocks to read, but make sure you have all the blocks to cover the partition
[11:24] <ShorTie> ^^^^
[11:25] <mfa298> although i'd probably create an image file, mount it via loopback and rsync onto that rather than dd
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[11:32] <lastaid> i seem to have an issue with the smsc95xx ethernet driver. it gives me smsc95xx: unknown parameter 'macaddr' ignored and then fails to find eth0
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[11:36] <tomeaton17> Okay so if I used rsync how would I then install back onto sd cards?
[11:37] <tomeaton17> Essentially I would like to create an image like the the offical raspian ones that can be installed easily
[11:39] <ShorTie> just write the image how ever
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> how about an alternative strategy: Make DEB packages for your stuff. Then they can simply be installed via dpkg -i or apt.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> then you just need to start with a bog-standard raspbian without the hassle of making a whole system.
[11:42] <tomeaton17> Could do, but I am using alot of off the shelf software in weird version numbers and took about a day to compile everything on the zero
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[11:44] <Spades> Hello. Has anyone encountered problems installing Nexmon patches/drivers to RPi3 Model B?
[11:45] <ShorTie> what kind of os's do you have on other pc's, doing this on a running system isn't best ??
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[11:49] <tomeaton17> Okay so I have copied all the files across now, is it possible to make an image from this?
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[11:53] <ShorTie> most likely not
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[11:57] <tomeaton17> Okay, I am just going to make an install script then
[11:58] <ShorTie> rpi-clone2 can do stuff over the network i do believe
[11:58] <ShorTie> not sure about making an image though
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[12:26] <lastaid> i am going out on a limb here. could it be that the rpi firmware detects whether it is running on a raspberrypi3 board and then reads the cpuid in firmware and sets the smsc95xx mac address accordingly??
[12:27] * ShorTie wonders, what image are you using, or is this your own creation
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[12:30] <ali1234> lastaid: it definitely does that
[12:30] <ali1234> i don't see how it would cause a problem though
[12:31] <lastaid> when you clone the rpi using a compute module to get industrial temperature range and then use a non rpi foundation kernel it might
[12:32] <lastaid> apparently the pi treads the lan9514 differently because it is always there. but not on the cm3. and if the module is suddenly there it behaves weirdly
[12:32] <ali1234> that is a possibility, yes
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[12:36] <ShorTie> in your custom kernel, is the lan9514 built in or as a module ??
[12:38] <lastaid> ShorTie: good question. is is recognized as the proper device and the usb hub
[12:38] <lastaid> ali1234: on the rpi1 board the eeprom pins are not connected ... https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[12:39] <lastaid> going in there with a scope now
[12:40] <lastaid> really helping that the lan9514 has two pin one indicators
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[12:44] <ShorTie> how is it "suddenly there" ??
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[13:10] <lastaid> ali1234: it is not using the eeprom interface it seems, all the pins are not connected, even on the pi3
[13:10] <ali1234> that is for hats
[13:11] <ali1234> and only one hat uses it, that iknow of, and that is the astropi hat
[13:11] <lastaid> doesn't the dac head use it as well? but thats not the eeprom i am talking about
[13:12] <lastaid> LAN9514 has an eeprom interface for reading settings. apparently the mac is programmed somewhere else.
[13:12] <ali1234> there is no eeprom on board any pi
[13:13] <ali1234> so yeah, that isn't going to be connected to anything
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[13:13] <ali1234> the mac is generated from the cpuid and loaded by bootcode.bin
[13:14] <lastaid> through which interface
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[13:14] <ali1234> USB
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[13:18] <lastaid> ali1234: do you have any reference for this ?
[13:19] <lastaid> ali1234: also thank you a ton!
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[13:20] <ali1234> for which part?
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[13:21] * ShorTie still wonders how is it "suddenly there" ??
[13:26] <ali1234> it is suddenly there if you rebuild the kernel with it as a module
[13:28] <ali1234> lastaid: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1865
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[13:48] <katnip> should i need to reboot after every update like opensuse tumbleweed?
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[14:27] <Greg-J> Taking the usb and ethernet off a pi is a pain in the ass
[14:27] <lastaid> how can i check whicht dtb was loaded when the pi started/booted? is there a log?
[14:28] <lastaid> i currently see that there is only bcm2837-rpi-3-b.dtb in the boot/firmware folder
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[14:58] <lastaid> Greg-J: you mean physically removing the LAN9514?
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[15:28] <arha_> hi there
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[15:29] <arha_> if i'd like to have a rpi display only some web pages on localhost, through chromoium, what's the minimum minimum i can get away with that will allow me to do startx chromium
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[15:29] <arha_> apt-get install task-lxde-desktop downloaded so much stuff, like the msword/excel clones, a ton of icons and fonts, desktop tools, etc
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> you could start with raspbian-lite.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> or spend an hour with apt-get purge ...
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> or just ignore it knowing it's wasting some SD card space.
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[15:42] <arha_> it's more of the memory hog with the random desktop stuff that bothers me, not the sd card usage
[15:43] <arha_> like the bluetooth daemon randomly popping up or whatnot
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> start with raspbian-lite then and just install what you need.
[15:43] <arha_> and this is my question
[15:43] <arha_> what do i need, on a minimal install (running stretch-lite) to be able to start chromium in kiosk mode and that's it
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> well- if you apt-get install chromium
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> then it will pull what it needs.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> might also want to use --no-install-recommends there though.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> might want to get chromium-browser
[15:49] <Lartza> I think chromium points to chromium-browser
[15:49] <Lartza> I also vaguely remember a time it didn't...
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[15:50] <arha_> well
[15:50] <arha_> yeah, it was chromium-browser
[15:50] <arha_> chromium didn't pull xorg-xserver; i installed it myself, but startx was still not available
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[15:51] <Lartza> Why would Chromium pull xorg-xserver?
[15:51] <Lartza> At least now that there is Wayland
[15:51] <Lartza> And isn't startx in xorg-xinit
[15:52] <arha_> i'm not sure; i was expecting the package manager to handle this kind of situation (thus my misunderstanding)
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, might have to do a few fix-ups. it's been a while - I used to pull xfce4 and let that do the work ...
[15:52] <arha_> ie, i want to install chrome, pull everything that's needed to run it
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[15:53] <Lartza> arha_, You usually install a graphical env, then start installing apps
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[15:55] <arha_> i'm trying to make a digital signage thing as an experiment, so i don't really need a full desktop environment
[15:55] <arha_> i'm comfortable on the cli, but i haven't played too much with X or any desktop linux software
[15:55] <Lartza> So install the xorg metapackage?
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[15:56] <Lartza> And a window manager possibly
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[15:56] <arha_> neah, fullscreen chrome, no decorations, does the job for me
[15:57] <arha_> thank you, i'm checking the metapackage out now
[15:57] <MacGeek> when is the new MagPi due? next thursday?
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[16:02] <shantorn> 66 just came out this week
[16:05] <MacGeek> 66 came out on jan 24th
[16:05] <MacGeek> I received an email a few days ago
[16:05] <MacGeek> saying that "issue 67 is out a week on thursday"
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[16:05] <MacGeek> I thought they meant this thursday but it hasn't materialized so I guess it's next thursday?
[16:06] <shantorn> i just grabbed Febs issue
[16:06] <shantorn> oh sorry
[16:06] <shantorn> my mistake
[16:06] <MacGeek> also the new issue of hackspace magazine (#4) has an ad for magpi 67
[16:09] <MacGeek> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/011/original/HackSpaceMag04.pdf
[16:09] <MacGeek> on page 78
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[16:12] <shauno> I'd expect it on the 21st or the 22nd
[16:13] <MacGeek> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jte8m4qvpwvhuub/Screenshot%202018-02-16%2016.12.59.png?dl=0
[16:13] <DammitJim> century?
[16:13] <shauno> it's meant to be the last thursday of each month
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[16:13] <MacGeek> that's the email I got on feb 13th
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[16:14] <shauno> right, so thurday would be the 15th, and a week thurdsday would be the 22nd
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[16:43] <tommy``> guys, anyone made bartop with pi2?
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[17:17] <Alexander-47u> hi]
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[17:18] <Alexander-47u> I want to do a temperature sensor thing
[17:19] <Alexander-47u> but all videos on youtube are demonstrated with a breadboard
[17:19] <Alexander-47u> I have 0 experience with these kind of things
[17:19] <Alexander-47u> do I have to use a breadboard?
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[17:20] <akk> Alexander-47u: No, there are lots of ways of connecting things, including soldering, test clips, jumpers.
[17:20] <Rickta59> you can use auto jumpers but they are kind of big
[17:21] <akk> Alexander-47u: Breadboards do make debugging circuits easy, though; you'll likely want one eventually.
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[17:22] <Rickta59> those ds18b20 things could be done with just some wires
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, breadboards make life easy, however maybe go and study some basic electronics first.
[17:22] <Rickta59> and a ressitor
[17:23] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon: yes you are correct, I am a total noob. xD
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[17:25] <Alexander-47u> what about humidity sensors? any easy ones like ds18b20?
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> stat easy.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> make an LED blink on/off first.
[17:26] <Rickta59> ^
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi is supposed to be all about learning - although technically more programming than electronics, however there are 100000's of tutorials out there for simple interfacing.
[17:26] <MacGeek> and make the magic smoke come out of something - it's mandatory
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> the ds18b20 is a temperature sensor, not humidity.
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[17:27] <Alexander-47u> I know
[17:27] <akk> Alexander-47u: Si7021 measures temperature and humidity and it's pretty easy to use.
[17:27] <Strykar> Alexander-47u, all the more reason to get a breadboard and learn to dive in, get a cheap one like - https://www.banggood.com/MB-102-MB102-Solderless-Breadboard-Power-Supply-Jumper-Cable-Kits-p-933600.html?rmmds=buy&cur_warehouse=CN
[17:27] <Rickta59> did you purchase a sensor yet Alexander-47u ?
[17:27] <Alexander-47u> no, im shopping now thats why I ask
[17:28] <Rickta59> are you looking to measure indoor temps and humidity?
[17:28] <Alexander-47u> I don't even have a breadboard or a soldering iron, im ordering everything now for the first time.
[17:28] <Alexander-47u> yes, indoor
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[17:28] <Rickta59> those ds18b20 are available all packaged up as a probe on ebay / aliexpress
[17:28] <Rickta59> but they just do temps like gordonDrogon said
[17:29] <Alexander-47u> yes, temps are good, but also humidity would be nicer. In the end, im just looking for an easy solution
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> rht03
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> is a cheap combined temp & humidity chip..
[17:30] <Rickta59> AKA DHT-22
[17:30] <Strykar> Alexander-47u, also check out https://shop.switchdoc.com/collections/full-kits/products/groveweatherpi-product-bundle
[17:31] <Alexander-47u> Strykar: that looks too fancy for my project xD
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[17:31] <Alexander-47u> thanks for all the input guys, you are very helpful
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[17:32] <akk> Alexander-47u: When you're ordering parts, google for the part number and raspberry pi first to see how easy it is to get sample code.
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[17:33] <akk> Some sensors are better supported than others on Pi (the DHT-22 and Si7021 are both pretty easy to manage).
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[17:34] <Alexander-47u> I think I will be doing this one
[17:34] <Alexander-47u> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHTnU1T8ETk
[17:35] <Strykar> Alexander-47u, that's a good start :)
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[17:41] <Alexander-47u> https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/AM2302-bedrade-DHT22-temperatuur-vochtigheidssensor?search=DHT
[17:41] <Alexander-47u> what about this thing
[17:41] <Alexander-47u> this page says it. has a 5.1k resister in the sensor connected with CVV and data, so you do not need extra pullup resistors
[17:42] <Alexander-47u> can I just solder it to the pi and done xD?
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[17:45] <redrabbit> use dupont wires
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[17:46] <redrabbit> btw, aliexpress is cheaper
[17:46] <tomeaton17> but takes ages
[17:46] <redrabbit> depends
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[17:46] <redrabbit> 15 days average
[17:47] <redrabbit> here
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[17:47] <tomeaton17> I usually just wait until I have enough to go over the digikey/mouser/etc free shipping
[17:48] <redrabbit> 17:46 < tomeaton17> but takes ages
[17:48] <redrabbit> 17:47 < tomeaton17> I usually just wait
[17:48] <redrabbit> LOL
[17:50] <tomeaton17> yeah, well I usually just get some of my friends to lump some stuff in if its urgent
[17:50] <Alexander-47u> https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-High-Precision-AM2302-DHT22-Digital-Temperature-Humidity-Sensor-Module-For-arduino-Uno-R3/32812831153.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.99.4770185dcGti42&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10301_10313_10059_10534_100031_10629_10103_10626_10625_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_e
[17:50] <Alexander-47u> 4899acc971-17&algo_pvid=a1effd1f-7d55-49df-8d7c-c54899acc971&priceBeautifyAB=0
[17:50] <Alexander-47u> like this?
[17:50] <redrabbit> i just order from aliexpress _before_ i need it
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[17:51] * BurtyB looks up at his stock .. same here
[17:51] <tomeaton17> Also I have received some dodgy stuff from aliexpress which I wasnt very pleased with
[17:51] <redrabbit> meh
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[17:51] <redrabbit> its like 1% of the total
[17:51] <redrabbit> and you pay only a fraction of the price so who cares
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, do yourself a favour - order from a local shop first - that way you'll be guaranteed to get stuff that actually works and you get support. Sure, it may cost more, but support your local evonomy and they'll support you.
[17:52] <tomeaton17> ok
[17:52] <Alexander-47u> but I am also chinese
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[17:53] <redrabbit> tbh.. you get more value from china
[17:53] <Alexander-47u> just kidding
[17:53] <Alexander-47u> xD
[17:53] <tomeaton17> plot twist
[17:53] <redrabbit> thats just the reality
[17:53] <tomeaton17> For the hobbyist definitely
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's just me, but I like getting stuff the next day from sources I trust.
[17:53] <tomeaton17> I agree
[17:53] <redrabbit> its a luxury gordonDrogon
[17:54] <redrabbit> not everybody can affort it
[17:54] <redrabbit> afford*
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> my time is more valuable.
[17:54] <redrabbit> im patient. i do other stuff in the meantime..
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[17:54] <redrabbit> doesnt cost you anything while you are waiting usually
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[17:55] <MacGeek> I usually prefer to buy from amazon because of convenience and no hassle returns in case of issues
[17:56] <Alexander-47u> ima get this one
[17:56] <Alexander-47u> https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/2-pcs-DHT22-Digital-Temperature-and-Humidity-Sensor-AM2302-Module-PCB-with-Cable/32236821151.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.148.4770185dcGti42&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10301_10313_10059_10534_100031_10629_10103_10626_10625_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=a1effd1f
[17:56] <Alexander-47u> &algo_pvid=a1effd1f-7d55-49df-8d7c-c54899acc971&priceBeautifyAB=0
[17:56] <BurtyB> congrats at finding anything on amazon MacGeek :)
[17:56] <redrabbit> amazon is fine for some stuff
[17:56] <redrabbit> i got my rpi3 there
[17:56] <MacGeek> they're a lot more expensive than aliexpress et al. on small cheap electronics stuff though
[17:56] <MacGeek> especially if you get fulfilled by amazon items
[17:56] <redrabbit> yeah its a ripoff
[17:56] <Alexander-47u> so, this thing
[17:56] <redrabbit> i compare .. i buy where its cheap.
[17:57] <MacGeek> I bought my rpi from amazon as well
[17:57] <MacGeek> they had a kit on flash sale
[17:57] <redrabbit> 99% of the stuff i get is on par with the pricey items
[17:57] <redrabbit> its the same brands, same items.
[17:57] <Alexander-47u> can I just connect it on the GPIO pins straight away
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, what programming language are you good at?
[17:57] <Alexander-47u> im oke with python
[17:58] <Alexander-47u> as soon as data is collectable, il manage
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> ok. so there are millions of good python tutorials out there - why not google for a few with that chip?
[17:58] <Alexander-47u> but im a fool when it comes to electronics
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[17:59] <redrabbit> i dont use rpis with that sensor
[17:59] <GenteelBen> Are you 47 rack units tall?
[17:59] <redrabbit> arduinos and esp8266 instead
[18:00] <MacGeek> yeah perhaps you should experiment with a cheap arduino or something at first (when you learn how to wire stuff), so that if you fry something it'll be something cheaper
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> Pi Zero is cheaper than arduino.
[18:00] <MacGeek> I haven't been able to find a pi zero for a lower price than an arduino around here
[18:01] <redrabbit> not cheaper than arduino clones
[18:01] <MacGeek> yeah obv I mean the chinese ones, not the official thing
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[18:02] <redrabbit> esp8266 cost as low as 1.36€
[18:02] <redrabbit> and it has wifi
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Zero W is �9.16. Arduino is more than that - then addon Wi-Fi - sill more.
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[18:02] <redrabbit> 1.36€ shipped
[18:06] <tomeaton17> the offical arduino is vastly overpriced
[18:06] <redrabbit> if you want wifi no point using arduinos when you can use the esp8266
[18:06] <redrabbit> i use arduinos for ethernet only
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[18:07] <MacGeek> what did you expect from the italians :p
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[18:08] <shauno> it's not /that/ italian. you don't have to fill out 20 sheets of paperwork and then bride someone just to be able to purchase it
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[18:08] <shauno> *bribe heh
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[18:10] <MacGeek> they did rip off that student and took all credit for arduino though
[18:10] <MacGeek> that's pretty italian
[18:10] <MacGeek> not to mention all the shady stuff they did later on
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[18:24] <GenteelBen> "<MacGeek> that's pretty italian" <-- my new catchphrase
[18:25] <Alexander-47u> https://www.banggood.com/AM2302-DHT22-Temperature-And-Humidity-Sensor-Module-For-Arduino-SCM-p-937403.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=UK
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[18:26] <Alexander-47u> will this work with the raspberry pi without resistors :P?
[18:26] <Alexander-47u> is it plug and play
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[18:27] <MacGeek> looks like it
[18:27] <MacGeek> it does have a resistor and a capacitor on board
[18:27] <Alexander-47u> yes that was my question :D
[18:28] <RoyK> hi all. any idea of what the 'ideal' temperature (measured with /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp) would be for a pi driving a monitr 1080p? I just added them to munin a few days back, and a few are just below 60°C, and the rest above it, up to perhaps 70°C. The only one round 50°C isn't connected to a monitor (but still runs the browser loop). These are infoscreens (just a webbrowser, really,
[18:28] <RoyK> nothing fancy)
[18:28] <Alexander-47u> so I can just plug it in using dupont cables and done right?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, anything < 80 is fine.
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[18:30] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: thanks (actually, we had one operating at around 87°C a couple of days back - someone had put it on top of a large monitor, giving it all its heat and at the same time a freak bug in numpy triggered by websockify, made all cores go 100%)
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, they slow down above 80�C
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[18:32] <RoyK> ok
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> there's 2 levels of throttling, one is clock speed the othe is core voltage (I think)
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> so they ought to be fine, just slow when they get hot.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, this page has some details on it: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82373
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[18:35] <RoyK> this was a strange bug - with jessie (old installation), running websockify to allow for noVNC, websockify (that is, really, numpy) forked and spent 100% CPU until the first connection was made from another host - then it was all ok
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[18:51] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[18:54] <DJDan> is RT2800 USB wifi driver installed by default on Raspbian on the RPI3?
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[19:01] <tristero> DJDan: looks like it: there's a rt2800usb kernel module
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[19:05] <DJDan> tristero: just noticed.. wow it worked... so good... unfrotunately my mediatek mt7610u one the drivers i found did monitor mode and managed,but not packet injection... so i got the RT2800
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[19:06] <dex1983> hi
[19:07] <dex1983> How I can power multiple raspberry pi's with this adapter is this possible? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-Sale-AC85-265V-110V-220V-to-DC5V-12V-24V-36V-48V-1A-2A-3A-5A/32780272089.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.5.78847785h7ja9p&traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=f81e2c86-336c-4dae-8ba0-0f
[19:07] <dex1983> a688c09776&tpp=1
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> lol...
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[19:09] <dex1983> :-) something wrong
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[19:13] <BurtyB> with wires
[19:14] <dex1983> Have you a link for tutorial please
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[19:14] <dex1983> and how I can convert it to micro usb?
[19:15] <Vamava> I need to load the MAX3100 driver (https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.9.y/drivers/tty/serial/max3100.c). How do I do this?
[19:19] <BurtyB> dex1983, if you need a howto then you'd prob be best not to play with it
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[19:22] <dex1983> :-(
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[21:27] <Alexander-47u> hi guys
[21:28] <Alexander-47u> will this also work on the raspberry pi?
[21:28] <Alexander-47u> https://www.banggood.com/AM2302-DHT22-Temperature-And-Humidity-Sensor-Module-For-Arduino-SCM-p-937403.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=UK
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[21:28] <Alexander-47u> im very new to this kind of stuff
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[21:29] <Greg-J> Recommendations on a good but not stupidly expensive digital soldering iron? I'm done futzing with this $20 special.
[21:29] <MacGeek> Alexander-47u: the problem I see with that module is that it says 5V. iirc the GPIO pins on a rpi are not 5V tolerant.
[21:29] <MacGeek> so you may need a level shifter
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Greg-J, I emergency bought a cheapish one off Maplin a few years ago when my old Weller eventually died - with a view to getting a decent one however its still going well.
[21:30] <MacGeek> if the output signal of the thing is 5V as well
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> those sensors are mostly OK on the Pi.
[21:30] <Greg-J> gordonDrogon, this one https://www.maplin.co.uk/p/60w-mains-lcd-solder-station-a55kj ?
[21:31] <akk> I think there are lots of people using DHT22 without a level shifter, and I think I didn't have to use one either, but I can't swear to it.
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> you can power them at 3.3v just fine.
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Greg-J, not that one.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> however it seems they don't do it anymore - it's the iron featured in this https://www.maplin.co.uk/p/replacement-heat-element-for-48w-solder-stations-n78gz
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> which is ok for now until I get round to buying a metcal one.
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[21:36] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon: will it be plug and play :P?
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, not in the slightest. You'll have to, you know, write a program ...
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> however there are many examples online for this device.
[21:40] <Alexander-47u> ye of course I understand that
[21:40] <Alexander-47u> but I mean, the hardware part, will it be plug in play?
[21:40] <Alexander-47u> I know how to code, just really noob at wiring stuff.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> you'll have to work out where to plug the 3 wires from the Pi to the device - and make sure they go the right way round.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> and as I suggested earlier, start with an LED.
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[21:43] <Alexander-47u> but can I just plug it in and give it a go?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> yes
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[21:45] <menon> hi
[21:46] <wadadli> I don't have an external monitor, any one tried installing Linux fully automated on one of these things care to chime in?
[21:46] <menon> if i have a switch that supports power over ethernet can i use it as regular ethernet?
[21:46] <menon> or will it fry my rpi? considering there is power in the port
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> menon, usually, yes unless it's passive PoE.
[21:46] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon: no soldering on resistor soldering stuff :P?
[21:46] <menon> https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/images/products/netgear/gs105pe-2.jpg
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> wadadli, headless install is possible.
[21:47] <Alexander-47u> wadadli, if you want to install linux automatically
[21:47] <Alexander-47u> you should 'seed' your iso
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> menon, if it's 802.11af PoE then you're OK.
[21:47] <Alexander-47u> seeding is the term you are looking for.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, there is no ISO for the Pi.
[21:47] <wadadli> oh, okay.
[21:48] <Alexander-47u> every linux distro comes as an image O_O
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> sure, but it's not ISO.
[21:48] <Alexander-47u> be it iso or img, whatever. seeding works
[21:48] <wadadli> sure, is that like a kickstart file?
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[21:48] <akk> I'm not even sure what you mean by seeding. I download the image from the raspbian website, install it, then mount it and add the ssh and wpa files.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> in the Pi world you need to create files in the /boot partition.
[21:49] <wadadli> which files?
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> if it's a Pi v3 the nyou create a file called 'ssh' to let you ssh in via ethernet, if it's a zero, then you need to create the wpa file as well.
[21:49] <menon> mentions IEEE 802.3az
[21:50] <menon> Energy Efficient Ethernet (IEEE 802.3az) support for maxium power savings
[21:50] <wadadli> gordonDrogon: don't have an ethernet cable I believe. just wanna fully automate the install (including the network).
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> menon, it's probably OK then.
[21:50] <Alexander-47u> sorry
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[21:50] <Alexander-47u> preseed'
[21:50] <TTT> Hi, I want a small low power computer with WIFI to serve as a CUPS server connected to my old wired USB printer/scanner. I also want to run xsane over SSH. Which PI would suit me best? Would PI Zero W be able to do it? I plan to run Raspbian
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, we really don't use the 'seed' term in the Pi world.
[21:51] <TTT> btw, is there something like remote-scanner? Web interface or something?
[21:51] <menon> gordonDrogon: also is a desktop port different or would it also get broken?
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> menon, if it's standard PoE then you'll be fine as the remote device has to negotiate power before the switch turn on full power - the Pi won't do that.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> menon, it won't power the Pi though - you'll still need a separate adapter.
[21:52] <wadadli> how do I go about 'seeding' the image Alexander-47u?
[21:52] <menon> im asking because i dont want to damage the nic
[21:52] <menon> and there might be power in the cable
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[21:52] <menon> so i want to know where is it safe to plug in
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> proper PoE should not damage anything.
[21:53] <Alexander-47u> what distro are you using wadadli?
[21:53] <menon> ok thanks
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> passive PoE will cause the transformers in the interface to get hot - as I found out once.
[21:53] <Alexander-47u> and its named preseeding, not seeding excuse me
[21:54] <Alexander-47u> if you google preseed you will find tons of information, as its a common practice.
[21:54] <wadadli> Alexander-47u: not sure as yet, but can you describe the f(x)
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, we still don't use that term in the Pi world, but hey, what do I know, I've only been using them for almsot 6 years now.
[21:54] <Alexander-47u> hahaha gordonDrogon, sorry you are right. we should listen to you
[21:54] <Alexander-47u> preseeding is not possible with all linux distros I must add, only the ones that support it.
[21:55] <wadadli> ah preeseding seems to be an apt world thing
[21:55] <Alexander-47u> but that is all debian based
[21:55] <wadadli> which is the same thing as a kickstart file
[21:56] <Alexander-47u> not too sure about pi's, might be the same. but for x86 and x86_64 debian based distro's
[21:56] <Alexander-47u> preseeding works great.
[21:57] <wadadli> do I just dd an image on to the Pi's sd and it boots, or does it actually have to go through an installation procedure?
[21:57] <wadadli> like on a common x86
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> you dd the image to an SD card.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> no need to partition or format, the image has all that and on first boot it will expand the filesystem to the max.
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[21:59] <wadadli> oh well then I should be able to include all my network configurations then.
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> however you should then eject the SD and re-insert it and mount the first partition (which is a FAT partition) and touch ssh to enable ssh login over Ethernet
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> if you're linux saavy then you could also mount the 2nd partition (ext4) which has the root filing system.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> and poke stuff into it before initial boot.
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[22:01] <wadadli> well I won't be able to do much, until the pi until it's on the WLAN.
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[22:01] <wadadli> there must be a way to fully automate this, even poking files around.
[22:02] <wadadli> more than likely that already exists, and I can tell the Pi to mount the partition and dump stuff into /etc/
[22:02] <wadadli> then reboot, even copy ssh key on.
[22:03] <Alexander-47u> I read here and there that preseeds are possible on raspbian
[22:04] <wadadli> I'll probably go with something RPM based.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> how many systems are you setting up?
[22:05] <Alexander-47u> yes, well I dont know much about RPM. sorry
[22:05] <MacGeek> you could use piserver and netboot them
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[22:06] <wadadli> oh sounds as if that requires me to hook a keyboard up.
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[22:07] <wadadli> I'm only speculating as I haven't received my micro sd card as yet, or else I'd have just figured it out already.
[22:07] <ali1234> you can't netboot a rpi without at least one microsd card
[22:07] <ali1234> because you have to boot from sd at least one time to enable netboot
[22:08] <ali1234> headless setup on SD is trivial though
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[22:08] <wadadli> ali1234: what's the steps?
[22:08] <ali1234> what gordonDrogon said
[22:09] <wadadli> also can't boot anything with an empty sd
[22:09] <ali1234> dd the image to sd card, remount the first partition, 'touch ssh'
[22:09] <ali1234> put it in the raspberry pi and hook up an ethernet cable, and then ssh in
[22:09] <wadadli> no no, that's not the way.
[22:10] <wadadli> I need not touch things, the pi should be able to build itself from it's self.
[22:10] <wadadli> fully autonomously.
[22:11] <wadadli> no ethernet cables, just plug in, and configures itself.
[22:11] <ali1234> what does that even mean?
[22:11] <MacGeek> at the point when you touch ssh the sd is still in your PC, not in your raspberry pi
[22:11] <MacGeek> that is to be done *before* you put the sd in the rpi
[22:12] <wadadli> then surely I shall be able to drop some network configurations for WLAN.
[22:13] <MacGeek> yes
[22:13] <ali1234> yes, you can
[22:13] <MacGeek> you drop a wpa_supplicant.conf file
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[22:14] <Alexander-47u> wadadli, sounds like kickstart / preseed
[22:15] <Alexander-47u> if you want the distro to install and boot directly to desktop / terminal
[22:15] <MacGeek> wadadli: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191252
[22:15] <Alexander-47u> anyone know any binary light switches?
[22:16] <Alexander-47u> sensors
[22:16] <Alexander-47u> sorry
[22:16] <Alexander-47u> binary light sensors,
[22:16] <ali1234> you mean digital?
[22:16] <wadadli> probably just add config /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ and let systemd do the rest
[22:16] <Alexander-47u> what I mean is, I just want it to measure if light is on or off, doesnt have to measure brightness
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[22:17] <MacGeek> wadadli: you literally just have to put two files in the boot partition
[22:17] <Alexander-47u> wadadli: are you using linux as a desktop distro?
[22:18] <wadadli> yes
[22:18] <Alexander-47u> well then you should be able to natively boot those partitions
[22:18] <TTT> ok, I also want a button on my PI, can I just buy any button and connect it to 2 GPIO ports and short them when the button is pressed?
[22:19] <Alexander-47u> boot=mount*
[22:19] <Alexander-47u> sorry tired
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[22:19] <wadadli> for sure, and I can just configure /etc to my hearts desire.
[22:19] <ali1234> to make an "on off" light sensor you have two options
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[22:20] <ali1234> you can do it in electronics by combining an LDR and a comparator and some resistors and stuff
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[22:20] <ali1234> or you can just get an i2c digital light sensor and set the threshold in software
[22:20] <ali1234> the latter is both cheaper and easier
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[22:20] <wadadli> adding configurations to /boot seems weird to be, especially when I can just mount / and configure it myself.
[22:21] <ali1234> well do that then
[22:22] <wadadli> surely
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[22:22] <sithlord48> can anyone help me with a problem im having with the offical touch screen kit? its being detected by the distro and works fine for output , my problem is that the calibration start out correct but as i move down the screen it becomes off my finger untill its about 1/2" off of where im touchin toward the bottom of the screen
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[22:23] <ali1234> i am not aware of any way to recalibrate the official touchscreen and i have never had to do it on any of the three i own
[22:23] <ali1234> i suppose it must be possible somehow though
[22:24] <sithlord48> if it touch the top left of right its in the corner . if it touch the bottom the cursor is about 1" up the screen from the corner i touch
[22:24] <sithlord48> the X is always perfectly on.
[22:25] <sithlord48> im running arch on the pi so i might be missing some of the stuff in the /boot/config.txt?
[22:25] <ali1234> not
[22:25] <ali1234> nothing related to the touchscreen in there
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[22:26] <sithlord48> i tried the xorg config tool but it remain off in the same way
[22:27] <sithlord48> you would think if the calibration was off it would be off by the same amount reguardless of where on Y i touched.
[22:28] <ali1234> why would you think that?
[22:28] <akk> wadadli: They do it on /boot because it's hard on Windows and Mac to mount ext4, whereas /boot is fat.
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[22:30] <wadadli> oh!
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[22:47] <Li> what is the point of window10 iot core iso file if the installation can only be done online?
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[22:50] <ali1234> you need something to boot up the installer?
[22:50] <ali1234> but who knows... it's microsoft...
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[23:07] <d0rm0us3> IoT by definition.. think of it as a net installer ;)
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[23:17] <Li> d0rm0us3: I rather think of it as microsoft can go to hell .. I'll stick to linux based os
[23:17] <Li> :))
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[23:18] <ShorTie> they just trying to change out XP
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[23:19] <Li> too much monopoly
[23:20] <Li> someone should invent a better suitable term for what these companies are doing.
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[23:20] <ShorTie> not Mickeysofts fault
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[23:27] <Lartza> Li, Why wouldn't it need internet? It's for iot
[23:27] <Lartza> Did you expect it to be a proper Windows OS? Because it isn't. It's not for desktop use
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[23:37] <Li> Lartza: no. not everyone enjoys the same fast and cheap net u have to download this crap os for every sd card
[23:37] <Lartza> Li, But... are you developing .NET applications?
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[23:45] <Li> isn't it strange when i do raspbian dd with bs=4M ..sd card won't boot but the same img file will do if bs=4M is dropped!!
[23:46] <ali1234> you probably unplugged it before the disk cache was synced
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[23:47] <Lartza> bs=1M is sometimes more reliable so could be that too
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[23:50] <ShorTie> ya, dd line should end with '&& sync'
[23:53] <nolsen> Ello, I'm having troubles trying to play a 10-bit HEVC file which is rated for 1080p24 on raspberry Pi 3 and kodi, anything I should try to get it to play?
[23:53] <nolsen> It's using alot of CPU, but is stuck on buffering
[23:54] <nolsen> and I don't feel like re-encoding the damn thing back to h.264
[23:54] <nolsen> because that will take hours kek
[23:54] <nolsen> So anything I should try?
[23:54] <Lartza> nolsen, Uhh no it's not?
[23:54] <Lartza> rated for that is
[23:54] <Lartza> Who rated it and where?
[23:54] <nolsen> I meant
[23:55] <Lartza> HEVC isn't supported at all
[23:55] <nolsen> The video is 1080p60
[23:55] <nolsen> ff-hevc
[23:55] <nolsen> erm, not 60
[23:55] <nolsen> 24
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[23:55] <Lartza> Yeah, hevc isn't supported
[23:55] <nolsen> Damn.
[23:56] <Lartza> You can probably get away with some low resolutions
[23:56] <Lartza> But it's all software decoding
[23:56] <nolsen> And I overclocked it the farthest it can go without crashing.
[23:56] <nolsen> So I guess my only option is to re-encode it, rip.
[23:56] <Lartza> That's the best option imo
[23:56] <Lartza> ALSO
[23:57] <Lartza> 10bit is just, no
[23:57] <Lartza> 1080p24 8-bit would have a slim chance of working
[23:57] <nolsen> I don't understand HEVC, so I have no idea what that means.
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[23:57] <Lartza> It's another codec
[23:57] <Lartza> h.265
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