#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-02-19

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[0:02] <Warmy> Anyone have experience torrenting with openvpn?
[0:02] <boomclick> i torrent with openvpn, how are you using it?
[0:03] <Warmy> it's running headless with deluge and the deluge-web client.
[0:04] <Warmy> i am however a bit disapointed in the speeds im getting.
[0:06] <boomclick> i use deluge as well. is the speed bottleneck your cpu, or server bandwidth?
[0:07] <Warmy> i'm thinking it's a CPU bottleneck, as i get much faster speeds on my desktop (also on the same VPN server)
[0:08] <Warmy> i'm using a PI 2 v. 1.1. The speed caps at about 3.5 mega bytes pr sec, with only one active torrent downloading at any time
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[0:12] <boomclick> sounds like cpu. you see cpu load per task with top or htop. or it could be your network interface.
[0:14] <Warmy> running the top command shows openvpn at 100% cpu usage, and i've read several places that it only uses a single core out of the 4 available. What kind of speeds are you getting?
[0:21] <boomclick> i only use 5% cpu, but i have much lower throughput. i think there's a way to use more than one core for it, checking.
[0:22] <Warmy> Okay thanks. Can i ask what sort of speeds your getting on a single torrent?
[0:23] <Geekologist> On what do you save the torrent data Warmy?
[0:24] <Warmy> External harddrive with its own power supply (1tb WD red)
[0:24] <Warmy> I think it's usb 2.0 but that should still support faster speeds regardless.
[0:24] <Geekologist> Thru USB?
[0:24] <Warmy> Yes*
[0:25] <Geekologist> It's the cpu, it can't handle much of a speed, sadly..
[0:27] <Warmy> Isee.. It's still a good little machine no doubt, just wish it was a tad bit faster. Was hoping i could get some speeds from other people also running openvpn, so i had something to compare with. I've tried searching on google but a lot of places they get bit and bytes mixed up.
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[0:29] <Geekologist> Indeed its a good device for development and learning, but sadly not for torrenting :)
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[0:32] <Warmy> Yeah i understand it's not it's main purpose.
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[0:45] <arha_> is it possible on a raspbian install, with a custom lxde autostart, to show directly the app in autostart (without the actual desktop: icons, toolbars, right click menu etc)
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[2:53] <hinv> very helpful videl -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFnqLuYZy8
[2:53] <hinv> it's best to download with youtube-dl and play it back so you can pause and rewind easily
[2:53] <hinv> very detailed
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[3:35] <red9> Is 529 kBytes/s via a ENC28J60 normal ?
[3:38] <red9> Raspberry-Pi <--> 7-wires (SPI) <--> ENC28J60 module <--> Twisted pair Ethernet.
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[7:35] <mlelstv> sounds normal
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[9:16] <red9> How to get rid of "random MAC address syndrome" using Rasbian raspberrypi 4.9.59+ with ENC28J60 ?
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> red9 which not just plug in another USB Ethernet dongle?
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[10:26] <matzie> I'm looking for advice on the "best" way to send high volumes of very small (~128 bytes) items of time sensitive data from a Pi-like device to a PC and what is achievable in terms of throughput and latency
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[10:31] <mk-fg> red9, Add a .service to run "ip link set dev ... address ..." (with whatever mac you choose) on boot
[10:32] <mk-fg> Though I'd also check modinfo for whatever driver it uses, might have some option for static mac there
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[10:32] <jmcgnh> matzie, the conventional way to do this would be using the ethernet port on the pi. There's overhead involved, but you should be able to get close to 10 MBytes/sec over the 100 Mbits/sec link.
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[10:35] <mk-fg> matzie, If "Pi-like device" includes RPi Zero (with its USB OTG port) then you can connect to PC through that and schedule isochronous transfers there
[10:35] <mk-fg> Which should have better latency than eth (which is connected via usb itself, and uses "best effort" bulk transfers) and you can cram up to ~30 MiB/s there
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[10:39] <matzie> hmm, I don't think that will work for my case as I need to connect multiple USB devices to the chosen SBC and I thought the Zero would be either/or... shame as OTG / gadget support would be good
[10:39] <matzie> (ie multiple USB devices send data to the SBC and it sends an aggregated stream to a PC)
[10:40] <matzie> Am I right thinking Eth will be potentially way faster than serial?
[10:40] <mk-fg> There are other boards that have otg port separately from usb hub and such
[10:41] <matzie> oh are there? Any suggestions?
[10:41] <mk-fg> odroid-c2
[10:42] <mk-fg> Or xu3/xu4
[10:42] <mk-fg> Latter have like 3 or 4 usb buses iirc
[10:42] <mk-fg> (with USB3 there)
[10:43] <matzie> ah that sounds perfect, appreciate the advice, thanks
[10:46] <mk-fg> I think serial should be way slower than usb, with ~100 KiB/s (115200 baud/s) there, but not sure if that's how one'd calculate its throughput
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[10:48] <mk-fg> "baud" is apparently ~5bit for uart, so it should be about x5 of that figure
[10:49] <mk-fg> Still way slower than any USB, ofc
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[10:49] <BurtyB> matzie, the Pi only has 8 USB host channels so that might also cause a problem depending on how many usb devices you wanted to connect
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[10:58] <matzie> thanks. Will be connecting a hub to whatever SBC I use
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[11:00] <mk-fg> I'm not sure what "USB host channels" are, but if above means that usb host can only handle (e.g. poll/communicate with) 8 separate bus addresses for some reason, hubs should not improve that
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[11:01] <mk-fg> Though I've never heard about such limitations wrt rpi or any other usb hosts, so a bit skeptical
[11:02] <matzie> me neither, but 8 would probably be sufficient anyway.
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[11:02] <BurtyB> yeah a hub won't fix it sadly
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[11:08] <mk-fg> Apparently it was the case with usb driver in 2012, maybe was addressed since then?
[11:11] <mlelstv> the hardware is limited. for each concurrent usb transaction you need a host channel.
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[11:16] <mk-fg> Afaik USB is shared medium, there aren't really any "concurrent" transactions - USB host will schedule one after the other
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. never knew that about USB - I thought you could fan-out the single channel to 127 (?) devices with extra hubs, etc.
[11:18] <BurtyB> mk-fg, in real life when you add more devices they just don't show up or work intermittently
[11:18] <mk-fg> Yeah, up to 127 addresses there including hubs
[11:18] <mk-fg> And USB host schedules and starts all transactions on the bus
[11:18] <mk-fg> BurtyB, Yeah, I think what you're referring to is either:
[11:18] <mk-fg> this - https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13917
[11:19] <mk-fg> (driver limitation that is no longer there)
[11:19] <mk-fg> Or this - http://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/article/how-many-usb-devices-can-you-connect
[11:19] <BurtyB> mk-fg, no I'm not - it's a hardware limitation
[11:19] <mk-fg> (USB limitation on RPis for high-frequency transactions)
[11:21] <BurtyB> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/582#issuecomment-221207473
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> matzie, does the data need to get to the PC in "real" time, or could the Pi buffer the data and sed it to the PC later? If-so, then serial might be fine.
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[11:22] <mk-fg> BurtyB, Thanks, indeed sounds like driver can't fix that
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> you could always make an 8-bit parallel interface to the PC if it has an old-style bi-directional parallel printer port.
[11:23] <mk-fg> BurtyB, Though to be fair, what they're talking about is *not* limitation to 8 separate devices, but "There are 8 host channels (i.e. state machines capable of carrying out a single USB transfer to/from a single endpoint) which means there can be a maximum of 8 outstanding transfers."
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I drive an 128x64 dot matrix LCD in a very similar way.
[11:23] <mk-fg> I.e. there is a queue of USB trasfers which can be 8 transfers long max
[11:24] <mk-fg> And if some device on the bus is slow, it can stay congested even with 2 devices, I guess
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[11:27] <matzie> hmm thanks. Can't really add hardware on the PC side for my intended application, connection there needs to be USB (gadget ideal, or usb serial) or Eth. Looking like eth is way to go.
[11:29] <BurtyB> mk-fg, indeed - tho I have hardware for a Pi Zero + 8 OTG networked Pi Zeros and I can assure you that last USB device gets no love
[11:29] <mk-fg> Might be best to find some highest latency + lowest bandwidth limits that you need and test eth wrt these, as if it satisfies both, definitely easiest way to go
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[11:45] <red9> Is there any way to refer to a specific network interface? ie to bypass the haphazard enumeration process.
[11:46] <BurtyB> red9, you can prob rename it with udev rules
[11:51] <red9> splendid.. the flashmemory works only with a plastic piece and a clamp .. ;-)
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[11:52] <red9> piece of plastic..
[11:54] <red9> BurtyB, by what means does udev identify which network device to handle=?
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[11:57] <BurtyB> red9, you can use different things like driver/MAC/usb device path/etc. - http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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[12:16] <mfa298> red9: lookup predictable network naming (or somethign similar), although on the Pi I think that means the built in interface uses it's mac address in the name so maybe not great between different pis
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[12:45] <red9> BurtyB, In essence a la carte of options (driver/MAC/usb) to identify what object to manipulate?
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[12:51] <BurtyB> red9, basically yes
[12:53] <lastaid> i am having an issue with the raspberrypi cm3 using arm64 linux. it does not contain the proc/cpuinfo serial and revision, which means that all gpio functions don't work
[12:53] <lastaid> cannot set the pins with libraries or the shell
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[12:54] <lastaid> echo "40" > /sys/class/gpio/export gives me an invalid argument
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, any reason for not using raspbian?
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> however there are other ways to use the gpio than the sysfs interface. /dev/mem for example.
[12:57] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: the default raspberry pi distro has a bug concerning the serial port. large reads get corrupted, so now i am using the 64bit kernel which is mainline and works
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> did you try doing 2 smaller reads with the stock kernel? it should make no difference to the data transfered, you just need one more line of code.
[13:08] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: to no avail, then the buffer inside the serial->usb converter overflows, its quite small and we don't support flow control.
[13:08] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: another question qould be, the gpio pins are numbered 0 .. 31, how do i address gpio 40 on the cm3?
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> you spend time reading the fine manual.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> or recognise that there are 2 x 32-bit registers and code accordingly.
[13:09] <lastaid> i will try to find the register then ^^
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[13:23] <thebigj> Any chance of getting Raspberian (Rasberry PI version of Debian) Amd64?
[13:24] <thebigj> Not all the official images are based on Amd64
[13:24] <thebigj> I am bit worried of lossing once they will start updating.
[13:24] <thebigj> Thanks!
[13:24] <Lartza> Huh?
[13:25] <Lartza> Why not download Debian instead
[13:25] <Lartza> And what do you mean images based on amd64? None of them are
[13:25] <thebigj> From some forum I landed from the Google tells that Rasberrian is still Amd32 but the hardware is Amd64
[13:26] <Lartza> amd64 means any real 64-bit computer
[13:26] <Lartza> You probably mean aarch64
[13:26] <Lartza> Also it's Raspbian
[13:26] <thebigj> Lartza: Sorry. The base images are not supporting Arm32
[13:26] <Lartza> Which is indeed built for armv6
[13:26] <Lartza> arm32?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> I doubt very much that anyone will gain anything using 64-bit on the Pi.
[13:27] <Lartza> Raspbian is armv6, which is 32-bit
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, may be the exception, but that's more due to a kernel issue than 64-bit in particular.
[13:27] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, PHP can't handle files larger than 2GB on 32-bit correctly for instance, but the use cases for that are small too :)
[13:28] <thebigj> Lartza: In which category the PI-3 hardware is?
[13:28] <Lartza> thebigj, What do you mean by that?
[13:28] <Lartza> The raspberry pi 3 has an armv8 processor
[13:28] <thebigj> Lartza: Okay. Is it advisable to install Debian?
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[13:29] <thebigj> Lartza: Will I have to do any special care?
[13:29] <Lartza> For what?
[13:29] <Lartza> What's wrong with Raspbian?
[13:29] <Lartza> I assumed you wanted Raspbian on a real computer so that's why I said Debian
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, that may be a php issue, not specifically an OS issue - I have no problems dealing with > 2GB using C for example.
[13:29] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, It is a PHP issue yes, but they are not going to fix it
[13:30] <Lartza> It fails to get correct filesizes for files at least etc
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> that's just lazy on their part then. no-wonder it deserves to die.
[13:30] <Lartza> :) I agree
[13:31] <thebigj> Lartza: No. I have installed Raspbian on PI-3. Problem is, not all the official images of docker supporting armv6
[13:31] <Lartza> thebigj, Which is to be expected
[13:31] <thebigj> Lartza: The blogs tells that Raspbian is stil not armv8 where as the PI-3 hardware is.
[13:31] <Lartza> That is correct
[13:31] <Lartza> Also "still" is not the correct term, there are no plans to switch from armv6
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> yes, correct - and there is a very good reason for that too.
[13:32] <Lartza> If you want armv7 you can use another distro, and if you want aarch64/armv8 you can use another distro and expect to lose hardware functionality etc
[13:32] <thebigj> Lartza: OKay. Can you explain / suggest links why there are no plans to swithc to armv6?
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> raspbian has to support older v6 Pi's, and there are still enough of them about to and new ones - e.g. Pi Zero.
[13:33] <Lartza> thebigj, What gordonDrogon said, and there isn't really benefit in switching...
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> so we have specific kernels for the ARM version, but the same userland over all versions.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> that makes support much easier.
[13:33] <ShorTie> everything is compiled armv6 so the foundation only has to compile it once to work on any pi
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> and for the most part, performance isn't an issue.
[13:34] <thebigj> Lartza: Can I compile Rasbian for armv8?
[13:34] <Lartza> No
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> If you like, you can compile your own stuff specifically for the Pi v3, but it won't work on any other Pi.
[13:34] <thebigj> Lartza: :(
[13:34] <Lartza> thebigj, Why do you want aarch64
[13:35] <thebigj> Lartza: I think I have already explained most of the official Docker images are for architecture aarch64
[13:35] <lastaid> i am using debian aarch64 on a raspberry pi compute module 3. that means not proper /proc/cpuinfo, no /dev/gpiomem not export pins etc.
[13:35] <ShorTie> armv8 works on a rpi3, just need to start off with the image
[13:35] <Lartza> thebigj, "official" docker images?
[13:35] <lastaid> also things like mongodb break on 32 bit os'
[13:35] <Lartza> lastaid, mongodb is always broken :P
[13:35] <thebigj> Lartza: https://github.com/docker-library/official-images#architectures-other-than-amd64
[13:36] <thebigj> Lartza: https://github.com/docker-library/official-images
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[13:36] <Lartza> I don't really know what official means in docker world
[13:36] <Lartza> Just, get another image
[13:36] <thebigj> lastaid: Is mongodb breaking? I was about configure mongo for our product.
[13:37] <Lartza> mongodb is horrible
[13:37] <thebigj> Lartza: What nosql database should I use for PI then?
[13:37] <Lartza> I've never heard a single good thing about mongodb
[13:37] <Lartza> thebigj, Any of the alternatives?
[13:38] <thebigj> I mean, I am in a need for NoSQL (document based) db which will be deployed at PI-3.
[13:38] <Lartza> Right, and there are others
[13:38] <Lartza> Like CouchDB
[13:38] <thebigj> Base distro will be Raspbian
[13:39] <thebigj> Lartza: I am aware of CouchDB and few other NoSQL dbs. Is DB have any relation with RPI-3?
[13:39] <Lartza> Relation? No?
[13:39] <thebigj> Like, Why mongoDB should not be choosen for PI?
[13:40] <Lartza> I never said that?
[13:40] <Lartza> I said mongodb shouldn't be used for anything
[13:40] <Lartza> :P
[13:40] <thebigj> Lartza: Okay. Got it. I think lastaid said.
[13:41] <thebigj> lastaid: I can't use mongodb because I am on Rasbian which is armv6 right?
[13:41] <Lartza> Few of the better articles about it I know http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2013/11/11/why-you-should-never-use-mongodb/
[13:41] <Lartza> http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/
[13:41] <Lartza> MongoDB is popular for some reason, but popular doesn't mean it's actually good
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[13:43] <Lartza> thebigj, Why not
[13:43] <Lartza> apt-get install mongodb
[13:43] <lastaid> Lartza: I am not using mongodb right now. but when i did the bug was quite annoying
[13:43] <Lartza> or whatever it's called
[13:43] <lastaid> Now I just want to know how to set GPIO 40 without any of the raspberry pi additions
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g write 40 1
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[13:51] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: does you gpio tool use /dev/mem or /dev/gpiomem?
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> it tried gpiomem first, then falls back to mem, but needs root for that - however it also needs cpuinfo first.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> but you know, the sources are there, so hack away...
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[14:09] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: on debian /dev/mem is inaccessible, even for root :(
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> find out why. it's probably an attribute - lookup chattr, et al.
[14:13] <dan2wik> Is there a way to present a Pi0w as a bluetooth dongle to a PC?
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[14:14] <dan2wik> My actual bluetooth dongle has malfunctioned and I'm just after a solution to pull me through the next week or 2
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[14:30] <ali1234> dan2wik: not easily
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[16:03] <krautguy> oh dear channel i have a problem :/ i bought an DVI-HDMI Cable to connect my pi with my DVI-Flatscreen Monitor
[16:03] <krautguy> but now i got false colours and red flashing stripes
[16:04] <krautguy> its like the colours are inverted
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[16:04] <boomclick> krautguy: was it a cheap ass cable?
[16:04] <red9> What filesystem mount point under Raspbian provides storage that won't wear the flashmemory. But will stay as long as the machine is powered up?
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[16:05] <krautguy> hrmf i paid 32 Euro
[16:05] <krautguy> in local store
[16:05] <krautguy> hmm
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[16:08] <mfa298> red9: I'm not sure there's any decent ram only filesystem by default (things like /run are in ram but not a place for general storage)
[16:08] <mfa298> but it should be easy to make /tmp run in tmpfs with a line in fstab
[16:09] <boomclick> krautguy: damn that's alot. is inverting the colors a viable solution? or are you just curious why it does it?
[16:12] <krautguy> no i wonder if its broken or if there are more different kinds of dvi-hdmi-cables so i maybe bought the wrong one for a raspberry pi?
[16:12] <red9> re DVI-HDMI cable, can it be that the monitor consider the signal to be DVI when it is actually HDMI ? (differs in encoding and bit packing)
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[16:13] <krautguy> mhh but i dont have a switch or something at my monitor. hmm i will check some other cables
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[16:13] <r3> I use one with my Pi to a monitor no problem, it's an Amazon Basics one.
[16:14] <red9> A photo of a well known image from the raspberry pi would help.
[16:14] <red9> ie well known image displayed by the raspberry pi and a photo showing how the display distorts it.
[16:14] <boomclick> krautguy: i see there are many threads about that same issue.
[16:15] <krautguy> oh are there? so i will check some cabel-switching and the forums.. see ya
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[16:16] <red9> The cable must also be blessed by 1000 tibet virgin monks or it will never work :p ;-)
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[16:17] <boomclick> that would explain why the cable cost 32 euro. virgin monk factories must not be automated.
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[16:21] <ali1234> red9: DVI carries two separate sets of signals
[16:21] <ali1234> one is digital and compatible with HDMI ad the other is analog and compatible with VGA
[16:21] <r3> go get yourself a Monster cable, that'll work, right? ;)
[16:21] <ali1234> they are on separate pins and neither the video card nor the monitor is required to support both
[16:21] <red9> depends on what you mean. Single lane or dueal lane, or digital vs analog-vga.
[16:22] <ali1234> there is no difference in encoding between HDMI and DVI digital signals, except that HDMI signals can also carry audio
[16:22] <ali1234> but the monitor will ignore that if it does not support it
[16:22] <red9> DVI is actually a blessing. Wonder why it took the industry to arrive at it.
[16:23] <red9> Then they boggled it up with HDMI..
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[16:23] <ali1234> DVI connectors are expensive and fragile, that's why they got rid of it
[16:23] <red9> DisplayPort and Thunderbolt are interesting though.
[16:23] <ali1234> also analog is dead
[16:24] <krautguy> so i switched around
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[16:24] <red9> it should been "dead" further back then it how it became.
[16:24] <ali1234> display port is the one with a different encoding
[16:24] <ali1234> and thunderbolt is just "lol our connector has everything"
[16:25] <red9> it has hack-your-memory-like-there's-no-tomorrow? ;)
[16:25] <krautguy> i have an working system RPI3 -> Old-HDMI-DVI-Cabel -> Old-DVI-Monitor .. and a RPI2 -> New-HDMI-DVI-Cable -> Old-DVI-Monitor
[16:25] <ali1234> yeah, like fireire before it
[16:25] <ali1234> *firewire
[16:25] <ali1234> but that's because it's just a PCI-e lane
[16:25] <red9> firewire has that "feature" too. Unless iommu is used.
[16:25] <ali1234> all PCI devices can thrash through memory if they want
[16:25] <krautguy> when i switch the cable.. both cables are working. so i guess my newer cable had a problem with my older DVI-Monitor
[16:26] <red9> PCI devices are usually internally. But who knows what hides inside their firmware. "Oh 3LA is calling, I will open up asap"..
[16:26] <krautguy> but i can reproduce the error with giving some pressure with my finger onto the HDMI-Plug of my Pi
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[16:27] <ali1234> all the converters i have on my PC video card... it's just silly
[16:27] <ali1234> my monitor has display port, but due to the way display port is designed, if i switch off the monitor it is removed from the desktop layout and all my windows get moved to another monitor
[16:27] <red9> Standards are good. That's why everyone have their own....oops ;)
[16:28] <ali1234> so i have a display port to DVI cable for that monitor, to block the "off" signal from the video card
[16:28] <red9> ali, crappy design. Otoh, the video card should still be powered so it seems useless.
[16:28] <ali1234> then my other two monitors are VGA, so I have a DVI-A to VGA adapter for one, and the other one has a DVI-D to HDMI and a HDMI to VGA adapter
[16:29] <red9> ouch
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[16:29] <ali1234> yeah it's terrible design to send "monitor disconnected" just because it is switched off. but it's in the display port spec
[16:29] <ali1234> newer monitors ignore the spec apparently because it's so dumb
[16:29] <ali1234> but my monitor is quite old now... first gen display port
[16:30] <red9> hm... monster cable with poor connection. Seems like an oxymoron. But then "monster" as name doesn't give a solid impression.
[16:31] <ali1234> it has another fun design flaw. it has a built in USB hub. when you turn off the monitor the hub turns off and then turns back on again immediately
[16:31] <ali1234> like either turn it off or leave it on all the time
[16:31] <ali1234> but no, they chose the worst possible thing to do
[16:31] <red9> Can't the video card be configured to "ignore the off signal" ?
[16:31] <ali1234> it depends which drivers you use
[16:31] <ali1234> with nvidia drivers, no
[16:32] <red9> (USB is also another really flawed protocoll)
[16:32] <ali1234> everything sucks
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[16:32] <red9> Nah,. Firewire and Ethernet seems nice.
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[16:33] <ali1234> biggest misconception people have about computers is that bugs are caused by mistakes in the code which violate the spec
[16:33] <ali1234> truth is that most bugs that get through QA are caused by the intersection of terrible design decisions
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[16:34] <red9> spec violates good engineering. I'll suspect a combination of "very cheap will do, yes sir" and people with power but not the brains to match it. Or just simple planned obsolence to make people upgrade to something better later on..
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[16:35] <ali1234> planned obsolescence is a problem i have not encountered since i stopped using windows
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[16:36] <ali1234> if anything linux is too conservative when it comes to dropping old junk
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[16:47] <red9> I recall finding it quite annoying when graphic cards are digital by their nature. And TFT monitors had been around some time. But neither offered any digital output.. doh.
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[16:48] <mlelstv> I am sure that TFT isn't very digital
[16:48] <red9> So the video A/D in the TFT monitor employs a PLL that makes some educated (bad) guess where the pixel edges are or hopefully are..
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[17:32] <lastaid> trying to set gpio using an overlay file, but it does not seem to do anything. any ideas? https://pastebin.com/VDU29nmN
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[18:59] <cerion> hi. My rpi3 ceased to function all of a sudden. A reboot later, I could see it's a problem with the SD card. Inserted into a PC, I see I/O errors on the second partition that prevents it from being mounted and read. Any hope to fix that ? but how ? or is it yet another SD card to the trash ?
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[19:07] <anairo> Hello! I was wondering why the /boot/config.txt has hashes all over. What is it supposed to be interpreted with? Not bash I guess.
[19:08] <ShorTie> cerion, best you could do is maybe read some of the files off of it
[19:09] <Lartza> anairo, It's read by the firmware
[19:09] <ShorTie> and then get a better psu and/or micro-usb cable
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[19:10] <cerion> ShorTie: why psu or cable ? it's not the power suply that corrupted the fs. it's I/O error so it's the card
[19:10] <cerion> it is a rpi3 specific psu
[19:11] <ShorTie> ok, just that most of the time sdcard corruption leads back to power issue's, Sorry
[19:11] <anairo> Thanks Lartza, brilliant!
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[19:12] <mSSM> Is there some online service where I can quickly execute something on a raspberry pi zero w?
[19:12] <mSSM> I only have a rpi 3b, and need to test a piece of code.
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[19:14] <anairo> Lartza, the same file in raspbian looks like ordinary shell script with only one hash for all lines commented. Is it so that that file is read by bash?
[19:15] <Lartza> No
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[19:15] <Lartza> Also it should look the same
[19:15] <Lartza> On any distro
[19:15] <Lartza> Basically at least
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[19:21] <raynold> Ahh it's a wonderful day
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[19:22] <ShorTie> that tit tis
[19:22] <milpool> hi. is there any special config for dosbox on a raspi3? it runs very slow on mine..
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[19:31] <mindforger> greetings, can somebody help me to get an init.d script to run a jar file with additional java parameters
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[19:34] <puff> Good afternoon.
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[19:36] <mindforger> "start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- '▒'" ... i mean WTF ?
[19:36] <mindforger> how am i supposed to understand what i am doing wrong ?
[19:36] <r3> is there a tab in there rather than spaces?
[19:36] <Lartza> mindforger, Make a systemd unit :/
[19:36] <mindforger> let me check
[19:37] <mindforger> i have no idea how to do thta Lartza
[19:38] <mindforger> tripüle checked , no illegal whitespaces
[19:38] <mindforger> start-stop-daemon --start -–background -–oknodo -–chuid pi -–group pi -–make-pidfile -–pidfile $PIDFILE -–exec $JAVA -- $PARAM
[19:38] <mindforger> i also verfified that DIR JAVA and PARAM work just fine
[19:39] <r3> nothing odd in the $... variables?
[19:39] <mindforger> DIR="/home/pi/jdownloader"
[19:39] <mindforger> PIDFILE="$DIR/JDownloader.pid"
[19:39] <mindforger> JAVA="/usr/lib/jvm/jdk-8-oracle-arm32-vfp-hflt/jre/bin/java"
[19:39] <mindforger> PARAM="-jar $DIR/JDownloader.jar -Djava.awt.headless=true"
[19:39] <r3> please use pastebin or paste.ee
[19:39] <mindforger> okay sorry
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[19:40] <mindforger> https://pastebin.com/AkUVzc30
[19:40] <mindforger> oh
[19:40] <mindforger> okay
[19:40] <r3> I'm no expert, but the last bit '-- $PARAM' ... wouldn't that expand to '-- -jar ...'
[19:40] <mindforger> that is ecaxtly what it should do
[19:40] <r3> with all the dashes like that, eh?
[19:40] <mindforger> but have a look at the dash before exec
[19:41] <mindforger> not even notepad++ reveals the difference
[19:41] <mindforger> i replace all dashes in the script
[19:41] <akk> Not really a raspberry pi question, but has anyone here used intel galileo boards?
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[19:41] <mindforger> oh for F-Sake ...
[19:41] <akk> We got a bunch for free, but the docs are terrible and I'm trying to differentiate between the various linux distros intel has for them.
[19:42] <mindforger> now it works
[19:43] <r3> yeah you have odd dashes in there
[19:43] <r3> I did a find on that line for '-' and it only picked up every other one
[19:44] <mindforger> i wonder hjow many "dash like" symbols are out there
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> mindforger, please try to respect the channel rules and keep it family friendly - that means no abbreviations either.
[19:44] <mindforger> gordonDrogon i am sorry, i am a bit worked up here after 3 hours of searching the ghost in the shell
[19:44] <r3> copy pasta isn't always your friend, especially if it is from websites that might do something funky with the encoding
[19:45] <mindforger> thats why i used notepad++ as a filter but the "wrong" dash made it through
[19:45] * r3 nods
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[19:48] <mindforger> thank you r3 and Lartza ... it FINALLY works :D ... can somebody now tell me quick how i put that init script into my boot sequence ? :D
[19:49] <r3> the en-dash bites again.
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[19:49] <Lartza> mindforger, systemctl enable
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> type it - by hand.
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> maybe he doesn't have systemd?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> not everyone has you know.
[19:50] <puff> I have a USB-to-TTL-serial console cable for my rpi zero w, but there are no pins on the pi, just a spot where I could solder in a gpio pin header (correct term?). Is soldering the pin header in the standard/only thing to do in this situation?
[19:50] <mindforger> i do have, but i only got an tutorial on how to do this stuff with init
[19:50] <Lartza> Assuming raspbian so
[19:50] <ali1234> puff: yes
[19:50] <Lartza> mindforger, systemd runs init.d
[19:50] <puff> The gpio pin header will make the rpi zero not fit in the case.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> puff, yes - or buy a zero with the headers pre-soldered.
[19:50] <Lartza> mindforger, For backwards compatibility
[19:51] <mindforger> Lartza so the init script already is launched then ?
[19:51] <puff> I (hopefully) only need this for figuring out why wireless isn't working right... can I just solder 3 jumpers in for the pins I need?
[19:51] <puff> Or is that insane?
[19:51] <Lartza> mindforger, No afaik you need to systemctl enable it
[19:51] <r3> puff, that's not insane
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> puff, if you are good at soldering, then yes.
[19:51] <mindforger> i did that already at the very beginning
[19:51] <puff> gordonDrogon: I made a christmas tree :-)
[19:51] <r3> puff, or just use the USB for console?
[19:51] <mindforger> and again after i solved the symbol issues :P
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[19:52] <puff> r3: Come again?
[19:52] <puff> r3: How does that work?
[19:52] <akk> puff: If you don't want to solder headers, you could use IC test clips.
[19:53] <akk> puff: Or for the USB thing r3 mentioned, here's what worked for me: http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/raspberry-pi-ethernet-gadget.html
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[19:54] <puff> r3, akk: Thanks.
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[19:56] <puff> akk: Can you point me at an appropriate IC test clip? The google hits I'm getting don't seem to make sense.
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[19:56] <puff> akk: Or perhaps rather: are not-obvious to me how they would work.
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[19:57] <anairo> Thank you Lartza
[19:57] <akk> puff: Like these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-Lead-Wire-Kit-Test-Hook-Clip-Grabbers-Test-Probe-SMT-SMD-for-Multimeter/272687522642
[19:57] <puff> akk: Thanks.
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[19:57] <akk> puff: They're spring-loaded and they can clip on to the holes in the Pi Zero.
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[19:58] <puff> akk: Aha.
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[19:59] <puff> akk: Thanks, I'll try the USB link first.
[19:59] <puff> akk: Since I have plenty of micro-USB cables floating around...
[19:59] <mindforger> okay thnx again and sorry for the leaking frustration from my side :P
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[22:01] * vjacob never seizes to be astonished how much desktop computer experience on can get on a Pi compared to a PC running Windows 10
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[22:10] <GenteelBen> vjacob: except for games, Office, Photoshop, etc...
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[22:12] <vjacob> or heavy browsing in Chromium probablly
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[22:22] <H4ndy> I like the package that is offered by the Pi, but I just cannot compare it to real hardware
[22:22] <H4ndy> beside some text editing or light dev work I would never want to use it for an extended time
[22:22] <H4ndy> for an desktop system
[22:24] <vjacob> maybe it's that I am also comparing it to a relatively congested system running Windows 10 :D
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[22:25] <vjacob> probably even a system that doesn't have the specs to run it well
[22:25] <H4ndy> might be, I am running SSDs for some years now and never looked back
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[22:26] <H4ndy> I had to repair a HDD-based system some weeks ago and it was so slow
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[23:51] <jcjordyn120> hi
[23:51] <jcjordyn120> does anyone else have issues where when out of memory everything goes into I/O wait and locks up the system if something isn't killed fafst enough (the kernel doesn't trigger an OOM kill for some reason)
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