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IRC Log for 2018-02-20

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[0:00] <BCMM> jcjordyn120: usually when that happens, the OOM killer hasn't activated because you aren't out of virtual memory yet
[0:00] <BCMM> and if you wait for what might be a really long time, swap will fill up completely and the oom killer will do its thing
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[0:10] <nebukad> hi
[0:10] <nebukad> can someone give me a hint: my rpi zero W shows nothing of a usb connection when i plug in a device (to the usb-port, not the power port). ive tried different devices. nothing shoing up with dmesg an lsusb only shows "root hub"
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[0:15] <redrabbit> plug before you power the pi
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[0:41] <Zythyr> Need help. I set a custom resolution by editing /boot/config.txt, however, how do I check if Rpi is acutally using the custom resolution?
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[0:51] <puff> How long should it take an rpi zero w to boot up?
[0:52] <boomclick> Zythyr: xrandr | fgrep '*'
[0:52] <puff> Also, I see many tutorials saying "add this to the end of /boot/config.txt"... but there was no /boot/config.txt, so I created one. Then again, I followed the other steps from the tutorial for getting on wifi, and it didn't work...
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[0:53] <puff> Same for /boot/cmndline.txt, this tutorial says "In /boot/cmdline.txt, at the end of the long list of options but on the same line, add a space, followed by: modules-load=dwc2,g_ether
[0:54] <puff> But there's no /boot/cmdline.txt and hence no long list of options...
[0:55] <shauno> you're almost certainly looking in the wrong place then. if you've got the card mounted from another linux box, note that /boot is the mountpoint for the first partition. so the directory '/boot' in the second partition should appear empty, because the first is mounted over it
[0:55] <puff> I downloaded the latest raspbian from bittorrent using the torrent file here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[0:55] <puff> shauno: Harrum...
[0:56] <Zythyr> How can I set to boot into CLI mode using the /boot/config.txt file?
[0:56] <puff> shauno: Thanks, can you tell me a little more about this? I downloaded the raspbian image, stuck the 16gb microSD card in the reader and downloaded and ran etcher.
[0:56] <puff> specifically etcher-electron (I'm on ubuntu).
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[0:57] <puff> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd2 just shows the one partition.
[0:57] <puff> Doh, of course, that's the sdd2 partition on sdd.
[0:58] <puff> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd shows sdd1 as: /dev/sdd1 8192 93236 85045 41.5M c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
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[0:58] <puff> So I have to put the files in there, not in /dev/sdd2 /boot?
[0:58] <shauno> right. that's the device that's mounted as /boot when the pi boots
[0:59] <shauno> (because the SoC can't read ext2. it needs something vfat levels of simple so it can find the bits it needs to boot the kernel)
[0:59] <puff> Okay, so... it doesn't show up in the file browser, nor in "mount" output... do I have to manually mount /dev/sdd1 somewhere?
[1:00] <shauno> probably
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[1:00] <puff> Man, it seems like the rpi world is all about macs :-)
[1:00] <shauno> as it should be!
[1:01] <puff> :-)
[1:01] <puff> I'm on a thinkpad running ubuntu, but I've been thinking about switching to a macbook for my next upgrade.
[1:01] <shauno> I mean .. err .. most instructions will be tailored to either mac or windows users who can only mount the first partition. I guess it's assumed that a full-time linux user can figure it out / google it as they go
[1:02] <shauno> funny. I've been a mac user for 10 years, and I just got my first (mac) desktop because their laptops are currently rather uninspiring
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[1:04] <puff> shauno: I like what I see of macs, would have gone mac instead of thinkpad so many years ago, but I mainly do Java for a living and Jobs was rather adamantly against java.
[1:04] <puff> Not that I hold it against him, but when the CEO of apple says Java is going to get explitive-deleted support on Mac...
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[1:08] <shauno> well, I gotta head to bed. just .. keep in mind that anything that assumes you have the card mounted, is probably referencing the first (vfat) partition. because it's the only one 'the rest of us' can mount
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[1:11] <puff> shauno: Thanks.
[1:11] <puff> shauno: Much appreciate the help.
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[1:16] <puff> Hm, well it's showing up now (I think), but it's not letting me ssh in, even though I created /boot/ssh
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[1:17] <puff> ah, wait, I think that's a red herring, somebody came home and got on the network at just the same time.
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[1:26] <hypercore> what are some good projects to do with a pi?
[1:27] <puff> hypercore: Depends on what you're interested in.
[1:27] <puff> hypercore: Attach a camera to it and play with motion detector software.
[1:27] <hypercore> puff: raspberry pi's
[1:27] <puff> hypercore: Attach a relay to it and play with turning things on and off.
[1:28] <puff> hypercore: I saw a little widget designed to be fastened to a standard wall light switch on and off mechanically, that was kinda neat.
[1:28] <puff> https://www.hackster.io/whitebank/raspberry-pi-remote-light-switch-by-phone-bd2bcb
[1:28] <puff> That one's the relay approach.
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[1:29] <puff> Here's *my* favorite rpi project :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0SD68j3Jg
[1:30] <puff> Mind you, that took a hell of a lot of work :-)
[1:30] <hypercore> puff: wow that's awesome man
[1:31] <hypercore> does it use projectors?
[1:31] <hypercore> or are the tiles eluminated somehow
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[1:33] <puff> hypercore: That's 13 rpis driving about 30,000 LEDs.
[1:35] <puff> The artist is a friend, I helped him with the infrastructure. He uses a programmable environment on a mac to generate the patterns, the pixels are chopped up and routed out to the different rpis via UDP packets. Each rpi has a config file that maps the pixels by (x,y) coordinates to LEDs.
[1:35] <puff> Each square/cube in that video is being illuminated by 6 RGB LEDs.
[1:35] <puff> Whoops, running late for a meeting, gotta go.
[1:35] <puff> And I'm *still* not getting this damn rpi zero w on the wifi. Sigh.
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[1:36] <puff> I'd suggest looking at the various tutorials and accessories on adafruit and sparkfun, see if one strikes your fancy.
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[1:37] <puff> I.e. "hey they have an rpi-controllable electric lock, that's need, I'd like to try building something that uses that."
[1:37] <puff> Etc.
[1:37] <puff> Have fun!
[1:37] <hypercore> thanks!
[1:37] <puff> LEDs are really easy to play with btw, if they's WS2811 (or one of the successors) and particularly make sure they're "individually addressable".
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[1:38] <puff> All you have to do is compose an array of 32-bit values, which each value breaks down to 4 8-bit numbers for red, green, blue and IRRC "brightness". Then you feed that to a library call which feeds it to the LED string.
[1:38] <puff> gotta run, enjoy!
[1:39] <hypercore> see you man
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[3:45] <DrunkRhino> Is there any way that a Pi Zrro
[3:45] <DrunkRhino> Pi Zero could be used as an external graphics adapter for an older computer?
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[3:50] <Mutsumi> DrunkRhino, besides the whole zeros aren't really meant for display work?
[3:50] <Mutsumi> or the whole bandwidth issue
[3:50] <Mutsumi> let alone how to interface
[3:51] <DrunkRhino> Well, they do have a mini-HDMI interface and it would only be used for streaming video
[3:52] * sq is now known as squirrel
[3:52] <Mutsumi> that's called VNC
[3:52] <Mutsumi> or any other screen sharing program
[3:53] <DrunkRhino> Not why I'd be using it. I.
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[3:54] <DrunkRhino> What I meant was to offload just some of the processing from the old atom N450 in my netbook, and because that only has a VGA port.
[3:55] <Mutsumi> you could... but it'd probably be easier to just get one of those usb graphics adapters
[3:56] <DrunkRhino> Eh, I suppose. Just figured since I have the Zero, why not, y'know?
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[4:18] <r3> DrunkRhino: yes, there is a kit Z80 computer that uses a Pi Zero to output HDMI
[4:19] <r3> see [ https://rc2014.co.uk/ ] ... specifically [ https://rc2014.co.uk/modules/pi-zero-serial-terminal/ ]
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[4:21] <DrunkRhino> r3 thanks! I'll give that a look over.
[4:21] <DrunkRhino> I was just figuring using the 2 Micro-USB's with the 2 on my netbook, and the mini-HDMI out.
[4:21] <r3> I have one of them, they're a hoot
[4:22] <r3> runs CP/M and is a great retro system
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[4:23] <DrunkRhino> Well, I'm specifically looking just to offload some of the processing from the on board GMA3100 and keep it running a little smoother.
[4:27] <DrunkRhino> Hmm, though, now that I think about it, mutsumi might have had the right idea, if ssh and x-forwarding were properly configured I could probably use the x86 for chrome and it's DRM blobbiness on the netbook and a minimal x server on the
[4:27] <DrunkRhino> Zero
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[4:48] <Mart|n> hi got a query on the experiment usb boot setup
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[5:18] <jcjordyn120> ah that makes sense
[5:18] <jcjordyn120> because it isn't using swap at all
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[6:07] <Zythyr> Need help. I have an Rpi that connected to my PC directuing using ethernet. What I mean is, I have a USB to ethernet adapater. I connected the Rpi to the ethernet adapater. How do I configure the ethernet settings so that way I can ssh into the Rpi?
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[6:46] <jcjordyn120> what disco
[6:46] <jcjordyn120> distro
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[6:47] <Zythyr> Raspberian the default
[6:52] <jcjordyn120> I'd guess try network connection sharing
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[7:44] <Zythyr> Need help. I used this method to setup a custom HDMI mode for my monitor1. However, when I connect Rpi to mointor2, nothing is displayed. How do I get Rpi to automatically adapat to mointor2 and ignore teh custom settings https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24679
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[8:32] <edy> Hello
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[9:11] <edy> hey
[9:11] <red9> Is it a kind of policy decision to use UTC as the timezone on the Raspbian OS ?
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[9:24] <vutral|kali> hello
[9:24] <vutral|kali> how do i force audio over analog
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[9:29] <red9> vutral|kali, your question lacks enough context.
[9:30] <vutral|kali> found it already
[9:30] <vutral|kali> amixer cset numid=3 1
[9:30] <vutral|kali> thx anyway
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[9:49] <BurtyB> red9, you can use whatever you want
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> red9, just to clarify - you can use what you like, but for the past 30+ years that's the way it's been in the Unix world - hardware clock is UTC, kernel clock is UTC, but userland applies the local time conversion for human reading purposes. It's infinitely better than any other way.
[10:18] <mk-fg> Pretty sure that's how windows uses clocks these days too
[10:21] <red9> gordonDrogon, My surprise were rather the use of UTC in userland.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> didn't used to - it stored filestams with localtime - made multi-continent software builds a bit of an issue in one company I worked at.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> red9, make sure your locale is set correctly then - run sudo raspi-config
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> gordon@pidp8:~$ date
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> Tue 20 Feb 09:21:49 GMT 2018
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> red9, you can also just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (I think)
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[10:27] <mk-fg> Yeah, I think they changed in win7 to use utc, as I remember having to fix that in xp but not after that
[10:30] <red9> Actually I have on many occasions considering to ditch all local timezoning. They mostly mess things up with little gain.
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[11:45] <darsie> I have a box saying "Camera V2" and inside is a "Rev 1.3".
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[11:52] <BurtyB> darsie, sounds like you have the old version (without rounded corners)
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[11:56] <darsie> yeah
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[11:57] <darsie> I'll pass that on.
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[12:02] <ShorTie> interesting, Pi433 - a 433MHz radio module for Raspberry Pi (PI433) [N/m/y/?] (NEW)
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[12:07] <red9> ShorTie, Which regions can use Pi433 ?, bitrate? range? coding?
[12:07] <red9> price..
[12:08] <red9> ITU regions that is. And which ports that will be occupied also matters.
[12:08] <ShorTie> got me, just saw that in the 4.14.20 kernel config is all
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[12:16] <ShorTie> oh, it's just a HopeRF rfm69 module on a board
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> I've used the rfm69 stuff. seems ok for what it is.
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[12:55] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[12:56] <red9> 433.05 - 434.79 MHz (aka "433") only in Region 1, subject to local acceptance, ie Europe.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. just found it - a kickstarter. I made my own board for next to nothing - maybe I ought to just sell it.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> (using 868Mhz here in the UK)
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> the rfm modules come in 2 flabours which are frequency selectable between 2 bands in software from what I recall.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> so just substitute the other module.
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[13:03] <red9> www.hoperf.com/upload/rf/RFM69HW-V1.3.pdf - 1.2 .. 300 kbit/s ; High Sensitivity: down to -120 dBm at 1.2 kbps (translates to what range?) ; output power 100 mW ; modulation FSK, GFSK, MSK, GMSK, OOK
[13:03] <red9> https://www.pi433.de/en.html -> https://shop.smarthome-wolf.de/index.php?id_product=8&id_product_attribute=0&controller=product -> 28.50 EUR
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> red9, they're designed to send/recieve small packets of data. it's not wi-fi.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> so good for telemetry, status, etc.
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> hooking one up to a Pi is nothing more complex than using the SPI bus. I use the Adafruit Feather boards too - there is a feather board with one built-in.
[13:07] <red9> The answer to range probably really lies in the +12 dBm output and the input of -120 dBm.
[13:07] <ShorTie> i just used perf board .. :/~
[13:08] <red9> gordonDrogon, I got the low datarate thing. It's alright for sensor applications (which I had in mind).
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[13:09] <red9> Though with 300 kbit/s as maximum. Bitbangin should be possible if one already is using a SPI device attached to the Pi?
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm using them in a small industrial environment - lots of stainless steel but only about 30 metres distance. not had any issues.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> the pi can handle several SPI devices.
[13:10] <red9> neat.
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[13:14] <red9> LoRa @ 433 Mhz supposedly can go 7 kilometers.
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[13:22] <ShorTie> it goes thru walls easier too...
[13:23] <red9> RFM69 or LoRa ?
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[14:18] <mfa298> red9: I think some friends managed 22km with some rfm69s - there was even a case of even further although the receiver was using a dish and sdr receiver (and the rfm69 transmitter was on a balloon)
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[15:53] <rendar> is that possible that copying files from 2 usb hd on my raspberry is gonig at only 20Mb/s ?
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[15:55] <kopper> If it's happening, it's possible
[15:56] <rendar> is that normal that copying files from 2 usb hd on my raspberry is gonig at only 20Mb/s ?
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[16:05] <boomclick> rendar: probably. depends on usb drive, microsd card class.
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[16:17] <clemens3> touched my usb hub when inserting an extra sd card, and voila, ext4 said ou revoir!.. and shutdown reboot
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[16:20] <mk-fg> rendar, If it's 20 MiB/s from usb drive 1 to usb drive 2, then it's more than I'd have expected from rpi
[16:20] <mfa298> rendar: if that's copying from one usb drive to another (or even from that drive to elsewhere on the same usb drive) then 20 MBytes/s seems fairly probably. USB is 480Mbit/s and AIUI half duplex so you're probably maxing out the bus
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[16:22] <rendar> ok
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[16:34] <red9> USB is a shit design.
[16:34] <Rickta59> so much worse than parallel ports
[16:35] <mk-fg> Custom bit-banged protocols are teh best
[16:35] <stalkerr> i like usb
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[16:35] <stalkerr> >rpi
[16:35] <stalkerr> >bitbanging
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[16:36] <mk-fg> I like usb too, just wanted to get on the hate bandwagon
[16:36] <mfa298> considering usb is over 20 years old it's doing pretty well
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[16:37] <Rickta59> i long for the day of 100mb zip drives served up on the parallel port
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[16:39] <mfa298> (click) (click) (click)
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[16:43] <MacGeek> I still have a scsi zip drive somewhere
[16:45] <shauno> I find it difficult to get nostalgic about poor storage. you gonna sit and shuffle through 40 zipdisks making a backup of a pi?
[16:46] <Rickta59> in the 80's i was saving every post on rec.humor from usenet. Years later I had 4 copier boxes of jokes stored on 5.25" floppies i was going to put in book form and sell ... yeah great idea rick
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[16:48] <shauno> every post is a poor way to do that anyway. the value's in the curation. if we want every post we can go figure out who owns dejanews this week
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[16:48] <Rickta59> right right i was going to pick the best of
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[16:48] <Rickta59> now .. i don't even tell jokes anymore
[16:48] <shauno> copier boxes of floppy-floppies would make a great gag post on /r/datahoarder though
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[16:49] <Rickta59> * figures .. didn't even know that exists
[16:50] <Rickta59> even better, they were all in a format only readable on a at&t 3b1
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[17:34] <thebishop> hi all, can someone recommend a desktop streaming service that runs on raspberry pi, such that i could extent my laptop's desktop over to a monitor connected to a pi over tcp?
[17:34] <thebishop> *extend
[17:35] <thebishop> ideally something better than VNC, possibly hardware accelerated
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[17:38] <H__> X
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[17:38] <H__> X with something like synergy
[17:39] <thebishop> H__, synergy runs in rpi?
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> thebishop, buy an IP KVM with HDMI input.
[17:40] <H__> not sure. there may be others.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> because I suspect there is nothing better than VNC )-:
[17:40] <red9> I think IP KVM is the wrong tool for the job.
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[17:40] <thebishop> gordonDrogon, it's weird because the tech that powers Steam game streaming would be kind of ideal
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[17:41] <red9> I'll suspect he wants more desktop "real estate", and display that.
[17:41] <thebishop> yeah, my laptop only has 1 hdmi output, and i'd like to drive 2 (or 3!) monitors
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> I've used IP KVMs to servers a few 100 miles away - didn't stream video though, but they were very usable.
[17:41] <thebishop> the ip kvms i'm seeing are too expensive to justify... feels like a software solution should do the job
[17:42] <thebishop> software + pi i mean
[17:42] <red9> thebishop, Do you want to display the same video that is on your laptop screen. Or do you want more desktop-screen space. Which is displayed on a external monitor?
[17:43] <H__> might give it a try -> https://github.com/symless/synergy-core
[17:43] <thebishop> red9, i want an expanded desktop, not a mirror
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[17:43] <thebishop> H__, thanks, i'll try it
[17:44] <thebishop> WIDI would probably be ideal, i even have a microsoft widi adapter. but the linux implementations are buggy and require disabling networkmanager and wpasupplicant (!!!)
[17:45] <red9> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama
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[17:46] <red9> I have seen USB devices that provides a hardware accelerated extended virtual display.
[17:46] <red9> Though only Microsoft drivers asfaik.
[17:47] <red9> Software solutions are possible but they will be slow and RPi is not that powerful. So even slower it will be.
[17:47] <red9> The right solution is kernel drivers and FPGA.
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> well.. there is no right solution - maybe just have to admit that it's simply not practical on a Pi.
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> I've used tightvnc on a Pi - may do on a daily basis - it's usable.
[17:49] <stalkerr> fucking raspberry
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> stalkerr, try to keep it family friendly please. do read the channel rules.
[17:50] <stalkerr> ah
[17:50] <stalkerr> k
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[17:50] <stalkerr> stupid raspberry
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> care to tell us why?
[17:52] <caoliver> I could think of a reason, but I found a workaround.
[17:53] <stalkerr> yeah it's good for what it is
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a low-cost teaching platform.
[17:54] <stalkerr> i expected more but well
[17:54] <red9> With Raspberry Pi 3 it's not low cost anymore.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> $35 is low cost.
[17:54] <stalkerr> listening to hype, not the documentation
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> the platforms is 6 years old - I think the hype is over now.
[17:55] <stalkerr> fanboys
[17:55] <stalkerr> nvm
[17:55] <ali1234> its very practical to make a USB to HDMI adapter on a pi
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[17:55] <ali1234> the chip is actually ideal for it
[17:55] <ali1234> on a pi zero that is
[17:55] <stalkerr> nice
[17:55] <stalkerr> is it easy to add rtc to my rpi?
[17:56] <ali1234> yes
[17:56] <red9> And the zero lacks Ethernet..
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> red9, the Zero is $9
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> and that's the wi-fi version. $5 without.
[17:58] <red9> Orange Pi Zero H2 - $13 that is a more decent price/performance ratio.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> sure - it may well be, but remember the teaching thing. The Pi foundation exist to further teaching. Orange, banana, etc. exist to line their own pockets.
[18:00] <stalkerr> >pi foundation
[18:00] <stalkerr> nice
[18:01] <stalkerr> welp free market wins again
[18:02] <red9> A school that can buy two units instead of one.. gets more exposure for students for the same budget. So while the Pi foundation may say they are for teaching, that may not be the end result.
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[18:03] <stalkerr> nevodka, hi dude
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[18:12] <caoliver> gordonDrogon, I tend to think of it as a cheap dev board rather than an edu tool.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> no-one is stopping you thinking of it in any way you like.
[18:13] <caoliver> For weakly funded startups, most commercial dev stuff's very expensive.
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[18:15] <caoliver> Oddly, the peripherals I'm controlling are many times as expensive as the Pi running the firmware.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> this is often the case.
[18:16] <caoliver> I think it's more that there's a high floor on the price of certain things.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> in the commercial/industrial world, it's all about support.
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> the hardware costs is often insignificant.
[18:17] <caoliver> Understood. The docs for parts I'm using vary quite widely in quality. :( Best docs are for an Analog Devices module I'm using.
[18:17] <caoliver> I wish the rest were as good.
[18:19] <caoliver> I hope this year we can get to a point where I'm not having to think about hardware costs.
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[18:38] <stalkerr> >rpi
[18:38] <stalkerr> >dev board
[18:38] <stalkerr> yeah
[18:38] <stalkerr> heh
[18:38] <stalkerr> lol
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[18:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is there an amibian channel?
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[19:12] <SirScott> with raspap-webgui and an rpi3, should I expect that I should be able to connect to my rpi3 hotspot, then scan for a networks and configure it as a client?
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[19:27] <pwillard> Seeing as how you can pretty much do that with an ESP8266... it should be a simple matter of writing the code for it on the Pi.
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[19:36] <mhoney> anyone have a suggestions for a cheap place in the US to have a few (5) rpi zero circuit boards made?
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> mhoney, not in the US (I'm in the UK) but last time I had a batch of PCBs made I used seeed studio...
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[19:51] <shauno> "cheap place" and "in the US" don't go together well. China if you want a cheap place, oshpark if you want "in the US"
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[19:52] <shauno> (oshpark are pretty reasonable at pi-zero sizes though. they just don't scale up to bigger or more boards as economically as china do)
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[20:01] <Zythyr> Need help. I followed this guide to conofigure Rpi to use custom HDMI resolution for dedicated use with Monitor1. However, Often times, I need to use Rpi on Monitor2 for troubleshooting. When I connect Rpi to Minotor2, Rpi uses the custom resolution set in /boot/config.txt file and nothing shows up on Monitor2. How can I resolve this? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24679
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[20:19] <pwillard> Agreed. OSHPARK is all about paneling small boards into larger panels to reduce costs. IF you make a BIG board... you pay a larger portion of the costs.
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[20:21] <ShorTie> Zythyr, is 'Monitor2' the normal hdmi port ??
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[20:22] <ShorTie> it might be going to composite
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[20:22] <pwillard> Zythyr: keep 2 alternate config config1.txt and config2.txt files handy... one default... one special. When you swap monitors... pull the SD CARD... and copy the desired config file over the MASTER config file and its the right way when you boot and all you did was a quick file copy.
[20:22] <pwillard> since you can always edit the config folder on a separate PC
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[20:24] <Zythyr> ShorTie pwillard Both moinitors are HDMI, but Moinitor 1 requires a special resolution (912x1140), while Monitor2 is just a regular 1920x1080. How can I modify the config.txt file if I can't connect to the miniotor? Thei ssue is without connecting to moinitor, I can't find the IP address so I can SSH into it to modify the config.txt file
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[20:25] <pwillard> thats my point... you can pull the SDCARD once you powerdown and edit the /boot folder where config.txt resides even with a Windows PC.
[20:25] <pwillard> to make it easy... you can have 2 saved versions of working config.txt that you copy over the master config.txt in that folder.
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[20:25] <KaZeR> hi there
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[20:26] <KaZeR> i'm facing some issues with the wifi on my rpi3. "brcmf_cfg80211_escan connecting status 3". any pointers?
[20:27] <pwillard> You can't really swap HDMI monitors mid-flight anyway
[20:28] <pwillard> KaZeR: 1) wifi on the Pi3 "works" 2) we have no idea what you are trying to connect to yet.
[20:29] <ShorTie> check your config
[20:29] <pwillard> agreed. How did you set it up?
[20:29] <KaZeR> pwillard: true. Wifi on this specific install used to work. This is an image built via buildroot. Config hasn't been changed. Scanning for access points show the AP i'm trying to connect to
[20:30] <KaZeR> `ip` reports the link for wlan0 as down
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[20:32] <ShorTie> you got cable hooked up ??
[20:33] <KaZeR> ShorTie: eth cable? nop
[20:34] <ShorTie> ya, ok
[20:34] <Zythyr> pwillard Ahh okay now I understand.
[20:35] <Zythyr> pwillard Question: When I explicitly set the HDMI mode by doing "hdmi_mode=87", does that mean it will default to that on boot? If I comment this out, will it automatically find the best reoslution?
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[20:37] <pwillard> Likely... but... using prebuilt files... it saves you an edit session
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[20:38] <Zythyr> pwillard Okay I understand
[20:38] <Zythyr> thanks
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[20:43] <ShorTie> you can save your edid.dat when you get the resolution you want and always use it at boot
[20:44] <ShorTie> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=173430&sid=365515e2eefd3774aefa5fa52989d967#p173430
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[21:36] <SirScott> so i'm trying to get raspap-webgui working... I can connect to it, but it doesn't show any networks when trying to configure a wifi client. 'wpa_cli scan' is using p2p-dev-wlan0' and shows no results. Is this normal? https://github.com/billz/raspap-webgui/issues/163 fwiw.
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[21:44] <Zythyr> Question: When I am logged into RPi using SSH, I send the command "sudo reboot now". The RPi reboots, but why am I NOT automatically logged out of the SSH. This usually happens with other Linux devices
[21:46] <d0rm0us3> Zythyr, how do you know?
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[21:48] <Zythyr> d0rm0us3 I have a RPi old model and it automtatically logs me out when I do "sudo reboot now". But on my Rpi 3, it doeesn't do that
[21:49] <d0rm0us3> Mi 2 does it.
[21:49] <d0rm0us3> But I suspect it's more of an OS issue than hardware.
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[21:51] <mfa298> not sure I've seen any debian/ubuntu system logout before shutting down. I suspect they're killing the network before killing ssh.
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[21:52] <mfa298> they will disconnect as the other end comes back up (assuming it's on the same IP and doesn't drop unknown connections)
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[21:53] <Tenkawa> you'd need to look at the runlevel ordering of the process shutdowns
[21:53] <redrabbit> 100% OS related
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[21:54] <Zythyr> ok
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[21:54] <Tenkawa> especially now with systemd... theres more change of overlap if I remember correctly in shutdown of services as long as dependencies are met
[21:55] <Zythyr> Question: I want to set a static IP for my Rpi. However, there are times when I need to troubleshoot the Rpi and I don't want it to have a static IP. How can I disable static IP if I don't have the Rpi connect to a minotor/keyboard?
[21:56] <Tenkawa> man 5 interfaces
[21:56] <Tenkawa> that it a good place to start.. I "think" that one references where the examples are
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[21:59] <Zythyr> thanks
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[22:10] <Tenkawa> no problem
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[22:15] <Greg-IO> Removing GPIO headers: Safer to go one by one, or is using a hot air reflow station a better option?
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Greg-IO, whatever you're most comfortable with - remove the plastic base and take them out one by one is an easy option though.
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[23:21] <redrabbit> one by one definitely
[23:21] <redrabbit> and lots of flux
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[23:53] <SirScott> with an rpi3, is it possible to use the onboard wifi as an AP and a client simultaneously?
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> no.
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[23:55] <SirScott> so with raspap-webgui, it's intended for onboard wifi + an adapter?
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[23:56] <plugwash> AIUI it is possible to use it as both client and AP at the same time *BUT* they must be on the same channel.
[23:56] <plugwash> which somewhat limits the utility
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[23:59] <SirScott> cool, thanks for the info.
[23:59] <SirScott> sure wasn't clear to me that I probably need another wifi adapter -- oops.

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