#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-03-14

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[17:11] * Topic is 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. | Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com | Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz'
[17:11] * Set by gordonDrogon!~gordon@2001:4d48:ad51:8901::2 on Sat Dec 24 16:04:53 CET 2016
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[17:13] <MacGeek> gordonDrogon: there's a pic with the rf shield off on the FCC website as well
[17:14] <niston> MacGeek o/
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[17:14] <MacGeek> o/ niston
[17:14] <niston> I welcome the addition of the gigabit network
[17:14] <niston> (even if its really just 300mbps) :D
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[17:19] <MacGeek> I welcome the better thermal management
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[17:22] <niston> it has this nice chip with metal package or heat spreader I saw?
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> niston, yes.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> and apparently the temp. sensor in the previous SoC was too close to the ARM cores which skewed things a little.
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[17:37] <plum> wooooo! raspberry pi 3 b+!
[17:38] <plum> now to wait months until it's available from US retailers :P
[17:38] <Armand> Woooo!! UK!!
[17:39] <Armand> I need to snag me some cheap hardware in the US, actually.. lol
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[17:40] <plum> i have a problem with more pi's being released
[17:40] <plum> the problem is that i am running out of space and use for my older pi's :P
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[17:42] <MacGeek> pic of the wifi RF shield removed: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g3p8wh9ce5ovs6y/Screenshot%202018-03-14%2017.42.19.png?dl=0
[17:43] <MacGeek> from the FCC
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[17:45] <plum> that's cool!
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[17:45] <plum> i like the design on the shield, i will probably leave it on
[17:45] <plum> for my hypothetical redundant Pi purchase :P
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[17:45] <plum> what do you guys do when a new pi comes out? do you still use your old ones and go with the new one?
[17:46] <Bitweasil> Is it still doing what I need? Then keep it. Do I feel I could use the upgraded capability? Then upgrade it.
[17:46] <Bitweasil> It's not a radical bump from the Pi3B to the Pi3B+ in terms of capabilities, for /most/ uses.
[17:47] <methuzla> pretty much. i still have first gen model A's running in stuff.
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[17:47] <Bitweasil> If you're regularly saturating ethernet, or need 5GHz, or the slight performance bump, go for it.
[17:47] <Bitweasil> But I wouldn't upgrade just for the hell of it without some reason.
[17:47] <akk> Huh, the 2b and 3b will continue to sell for $35, the same price as the 3b+? Is there any advantage to the older models?
[17:47] <Bitweasil> If you have hardware designed around them, you can continue to obtain them for your product.
[17:47] <Bitweasil> Those are mostly sold just for people who are doing industrial hardware with the Pi as the compute module for it.
[17:48] <Bitweasil> I think they draw a bit less power peak.
[17:48] <plum> ahhh makes sense
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[17:48] <Bitweasil> But if you're not selling a widget with the Pi2 as the compute core, there's no reason to buy a Pi2 these days.
[17:48] <MacGeek> the RPF also commits to a minimum production duration when they release a new product
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[17:48] <Bitweasil> yeah, a lot of them aren't just "toys to dink around with," people design products around them.
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[17:49] <MacGeek> you'll see in the product brief released today for the 3B+ that it will be produced until at least january 2023
[17:49] <plum> i've been running an original model B for basic network ops, i've been thinking of upgrading it just to have better power management
[17:49] <MacGeek> clearly spelled in the document
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[17:50] <akk> Ah, so it might be "we'll keep making these older ones since we committed to it, but we'd rather not so we'll only make a few overcharge for them"
[17:50] <akk> "and overcharge"
[17:50] <wyvern> Am I reading the 3B+ specs right - it will have full bluetooth 4.2, not just BLE? https://static.raspberrypi.org/files/product-briefs/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Bplus-Product-Brief.pdf
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[17:50] <plum> i read that too wyvern, i think you're right
[17:51] <akk> that's what I read too
[17:51] <wyvern> if so, what fortunate timing; I was just about to start looking in to how to get real bluetooth on a 3B
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[17:52] <Syliss> i still have a first run pi that is powered up under my tv in the living room just as a seed box
[17:53] <wyvern> do we know what the revision code is yet
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[17:53] <plum> do you have it connected to a drive Syliss?
[17:53] <Syliss> no plum, just a 16gb sd card
[17:53] <Syliss> i may connect one to it tho
[17:54] <plum> ooh right on!
[17:55] <plum> i was thinking of setting one up myself, but i'm not sure how efficient the networking would be... i'd want to have a streaming box like that but have it save to NAS
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[17:57] <wyvern> I use a 3B for Kodi accessing content over CIFS; works fine.
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[17:59] <Syliss> ive been thinking about using one of my 3b's for kodi or libre
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[18:02] <Syliss> i just need to get a bluetooth keyboard mouse combo for it
[18:05] <Nauti> I've given up using bluetooth keyboard. Had such issues with it to automatically sync that it wasn't worth the effort :(
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[18:06] <Nauti> Pretty much had to SSH to it anyway to get it to connect to the keyboard that I could just use my phone alltogether
[18:06] <Nauti> There's a good Kodi app that makes it easy anyway. Just feels limited when you have to type a long title for something you want to watch
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> plum, it should be on-sale in the US by Friday
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[18:10] <Syliss> and then sold out 5 min later
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[18:12] <Syliss> ill prolly get one next year
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[18:14] <GenteelBen> That's what you said last year, Syliss.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> from what I've read the foundation delayed submitting docs. to the fcc as that has traditionally be a source of product leaks in the past ...
[18:14] <Syliss> lol GenteelBen
[18:15] <MacGeek> gordonDrogon: it also appears the paperwork has been faxed
[18:17] <GenteelBen> How long until the RPi 4 drops?
[18:17] <plum> yaaaaaay! i'm excited but not excited for seeing it sold out, lol
[18:17] <BurtyB> that long
[18:17] <GenteelBen> I await the Pi4 with as much anticipation as the next Kanye album.
[18:18] <plum> GenteelBen i've read it will bring some AI features to the pi
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Yes, deep learning, I see.
[18:18] <plum> sooo probably a while, lol
[18:18] <GenteelBen> It will deep learn how to act as a thermostat or tiny robot.
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Does the RPi 3 do full HEVC decode via ICs?
[18:18] <plum> FEED MY PLANTS, PI!
[18:18] <GenteelBen> "I just got my Raspberry Pi 3 today and I'm trying to play some 1080p HEVC video and the drop counter is constantly counting up. "
[18:19] <Bitweasil> I doubt it...
[18:19] <GenteelBen> I'm guessing the SoC is old enough that it doesn't support HEVC decode @ 4K60...
[18:19] <GenteelBen> Bitweasil: the market for single board computers has kind of dried up. Samsung and others aren't producing the boards they used to.
[18:20] <GenteelBen> I just want something I can use as a tiny HTPC which can read my files over a network. 4K HEVC decode is a must.
[18:20] <plum> best raspberry pi 4 project ever: "pass-me-the-butter" AI robot
[18:20] <Bitweasil> The Pi doesn't even support 4k output at a useful framerate.
[18:20] <Bitweasil> I think it'll do 15Hz?
[18:20] <MacGeek> GenteelBen: it'll drop the next time I buy a raspberry pi, exactly 5 minutes after the return window expires.
[18:21] <Bitweasil> If you want 4k HEVC, you'll probably need a NUC.
[18:23] <Cypher100> I just use a Nvidia Shield for media stuff, a chromecast pro can also do the job. 4K still requires a good amount of processing power
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[18:31] <Syliss> i dont care about 4k till i actually have a 4k tv
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[18:32] <Syliss> i dont even have a 1080p tv, lol
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[18:34] <GenteelBen> You said you'd buy one last year.
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Syliss: there's almost no price difference between a 43" 1080p TV and a 43" 4K HDR TV.
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Basically they stopped making mid-size 1080p panels. The biggest you can still get them in volume is 32".
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[18:35] <GenteelBen> In fact 43" is arguably "small" now, mid-size is like 49-55".
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, you need it to fill what little is left of the room after you fit the DFS sofa ...
[18:36] <GenteelBen> Syliss: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889007355&cm_re=LG_43UJ670V-_-89-007-355-_-Product
[18:36] <Bitweasil> lmfao. Yeah, the TV size wars have been amusing. I had to argue a bit to get a 43" a few years ago for our living room, and we're working on stealthing all the cables so it's just this thing out of the way on the wall.
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[18:36] <Bitweasil> I don't like that all living rooms are now basically shrines to the alter of the television.
[18:36] <GenteelBen> LG 43" 4K TV with HDR, $297.
[18:36] <GenteelBen> Bitweasil...living rooms have been like that since the 60s.
[18:37] <GenteelBen> The sofa sits in front of the TV, the family sit and watch TV.
[18:37] <Bitweasil> But it's worse with 80" TVs crammed in places they don't really fit. :)
[18:37] <GenteelBen> Yeah they should be more sensible and limit themselves to 75" TVs like the rest of us.
[18:37] <Bitweasil> *shrug* I don't like the TV being a centerpiece.
[18:37] <GenteelBen> When I move house I'm buying a 65" OLED TV, which right now means an LG.
[18:38] <Syliss> both my tvs are 32" 720p ones. My entertainment center in the living room wont fit anything bigger, bedroom wife said 32" max
[18:38] <GenteelBen> 720p?
[18:38] * GenteelBen twitches
[18:38] <Syliss> lol
[18:38] <Syliss> we dont watch a lot of tv as it is
[18:38] <GenteelBen> Well at 32" you can get 1080p max on a TV.
[18:38] <GenteelBen> You can get 4K 32" monitors but they start at about £500.
[18:38] <Syliss> plus i have no reason to drop any money on a tv at the moment
[18:39] <GenteelBen> Syliss, fair enough.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> same here. just don't watch enough.
[18:39] <GenteelBen> I was going to say, trade your wife in for a Bravia.
[18:39] <Syliss> lol
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> gordonDrogon: the TV is part furniture.
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> I'm confused by people who spend £2000 on a dining room set
[18:39] <GenteelBen> But they rarely have people over.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> not in our house.
[18:39] <GenteelBen> That's because you live in an Amish barn, gordonDrogon.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> we have a nice oak dining table that sits 8.
[18:40] <Syliss> i have a glass table i got for free
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> free is always good.
[18:40] <GenteelBen> Note to self: steal Syliss' table.
[18:40] <Syliss> it can seat 6, but we only sit 3, since there is only 3 of us
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[18:41] <GenteelBen> That's like buying a people carrier but never having more than two passengers.
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[18:42] <GenteelBen> My sister bought an extendable dining table. It extends out to seat 8+, normally it seats 4, or 6 if you squeeze in.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> we have friends & family over for meals from time to time. it's a nice space.
[18:43] <GenteelBen> Yet you've never invited me and Syliss over.
[18:44] <Syliss> lulz
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[18:47] <Bitweasil> I really like the expanding tables.
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> I saw a brillaint circular one a while back. wonder if I can find it again ...
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylh1MhNw394 <- not the one I'm looking for, but pretty neat.
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[18:50] <GenteelBen> My fav Polandball repost: https://i.imgur.com/U8MQch0.png
[18:51] <mpmc> "Snow is set to hit the UK again. Quick panic!" - Everyone in the UK. The "news" outlets don't help.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsmTPBToih4
[18:52] <mpmc> gordonDrogon: So many trapped fingers..
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[18:53] <GenteelBen> Just don't sit down naked, is all I'm saying.
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[18:55] <mpmc> rofl
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[19:15] <binaryhermit> I have a 1080p 22" TV
[19:15] <binaryhermit> currently being used as a monitor for my pi
[19:16] <pepijndevos> What does this message mean? "<some driver> soc:sound: ASoC: CODEC DAI <some codec> not registered - will retry" I'm trying to load various I2S drivers to look at with my logic analyser.
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[19:23] <red9> pepijndevos, Not loaded with 'insmod' ?
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[19:24] <pepijndevos> red9, I just added the overlay. So would I run insmod <some codec>? Worth a try
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[19:28] <pepijndevos> Where can I find more information on writing a simple-audio-card overlay? Seems like a much better idea than abusing some random driver.
[19:28] <Syliss> i like that there is shroud on the soc now
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[19:42] <red9> shroud?
[19:43] <red9> pepijndevos, Read the source code and find out how to tap into the input/output of the driver? I'll assume you want to modify the sound before it enters the driver?
[19:44] <pepijndevos> red9, actually I want to write an FPGA sound card that talks to the Pi over I2S, so I'm trying to get a simple-audio-overlay that works.
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[21:00] <GenteelBen> Why was I not informed? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/new-raspberry-pi-adds-5ghz-wi-fi-bluetooth-4-2-and-more-mhz/
[21:00] <GenteelBen> gordonDrogon you have some explaining to do.
[21:00] <Cypher100> Will, you are now :)
[21:01] <Cypher100> Bought one that second it was available. I'm pretty sure they will be sold out for weeks
[21:01] <GenteelBen> "Raspberry Pi 3 B+ has faster CPU, Wi-Fi, and easier compliance testing"
[21:01] <GenteelBen> But not new CPU...still Cortex-A53 cores.
[21:01] <Cypher100> don't forget faster Ethernet
[21:02] <GenteelBen> 300Mbps Ethernet
[21:02] <GenteelBen> Hey
[21:02] <GenteelBen> Wait a doggone minute
[21:02] <GenteelBen> RPi doesn't have gigabit Ethernet?!
[21:02] <Tenkawa> nope
[21:02] <GenteelBen> uwot
[21:02] <GenteelBen> Someone should really look into that.
[21:03] <GenteelBen> At least it supports 802.11ac now...
[21:03] <Cypher100> For the CPU, is it a smaller die or the same size as the old CPU?
[21:03] <Tenkawa> the bus wouldnt support it anyway
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[21:04] <Tenkawa> i wouldnt think
[21:04] <GenteelBen> Cypher100: same physical CPU but a new stepping or higher bin. It's 200MHz faster.
[21:04] <Tenkawa> i think it would saturate it
[21:04] <Cypher100> Neato
[21:04] <GenteelBen> Actually it's good, I was about to order a Pi 3.
[21:05] <GenteelBen> I guess I'll wait for the board to pop up on Amazon.
[21:06] <Tenkawa> I'd really like one to use with my cluster pi
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[21:06] <Tenkawa> but yeah probably going to be on backorder too long
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[21:07] <GenteelBen> The Pi 2 v1.2 and Pi 3 both use the Broadcom BCM2837 SoC. The Pi 3+ bumps that to BCM2837B0 - my guess is that's the B0 stepping.
[21:07] <GenteelBen> So it'll be functionally identical, just higher clocks.
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[21:18] <Stromeko> GenteelBen: it's probably the exact same die in a different package that has better thermal properties.
[21:19] <Stromeko> Maybe there's a design step thrown in as well, but until someone looks at the cpuinfo output it's hard to tell.
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[21:27] <Lartza> Well there is a heatspreader :P
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[21:28] <GenteelBen> Stromeko: it's the B0 stepping of the same SoC.
[21:29] <GenteelBen> i.e. a slightly refined transistor layout, new microcode, maybe slightly lower voltage due to refined fab process?
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[21:38] <Cypher100> Who here already has a Pi 3B+?
[21:39] <Tenkawa> doubtful anyone
[21:39] <redrabbit> its still 1gb ram right
[21:39] <Tenkawa> outside of dev group
[21:39] <Tenkawa> redrabbit: yes
[21:39] <redrabbit> i wonder if the io boost makes it relevant for nas uses
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> it should.. they have io/iops specs listed on the blog
[21:40] <Tenkawa> it sounds like an improvement
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[21:41] <Lartza> Can't connect it to storage still so no
[21:42] <redrabbit> is there a proper monitor mode on the wifi
[21:42] <redrabbit> on that new chip
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[21:42] <leftyfb> Lartza: you can via usb
[21:42] <Lartza> Exactly...
[21:42] <leftyfb> form some needs, that's sufficient
[21:42] <leftyfb> for*
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[21:43] <Lartza> Not NAS worthy in my eyes
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[21:44] <Cypher100> For pictures, and music, it's perfect. But for movies, and backups, you will require more powerful hardware
[21:45] <Cypher100> Movies wouldn't hurt if your just streaming them without transcoding.
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[21:46] <Lartza> Really just need more storage I/O at this point, otherwise it's fine for movies and backups too
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[21:51] <redrabbit> anyone knows about the monitor mode?
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[21:52] <iKarith> Video: THERE'SANEWRASPBERRYPI3! YAAAAAAY!!! lol, that's actually how it began.
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[21:54] * iKarith ordered one while he still can :P
[21:55] <iKarith> Because I know damned well people are going to ask me for the next two months (while they're going to probably be sold out everywhere) if it's compatible with my stuff.
[21:55] <iKarith> And I'd be like, lol IDK, probably? If I could find one I'd try it and let you know…
[21:55] <redrabbit> no info on CYW43455 monitor mode
[21:55] <iKarith> So I got one on launch day this time.
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[22:14] <Ellied> I really hope the new chip supports ad-hoc mode at least, monitor mode would also be nice
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[22:15] <iKarith> I mostly am hoping the new heat spreader doesn't break things like the flirc case
[22:16] <iKarith> it looks like it should be fine, the flirc case uses thermal tape anyway.
[22:17] <iKarith> it'd have to be a couple whole milimeters before that's a problem.
[22:17] * iKarith loves the flirc case
[22:17] <Bitweasil> I assume it will until the case is redesigned. :(
[22:17] <iKarith> Shove a pi in that and never worry about throttling, ever.
[22:18] <Bitweasil> Have you verified that under load with the get_arm_clocks vcgencmd string?
[22:18] <iKarith> With the 3b? Yes.
[22:18] <Bitweasil> Ok, cool. Thanks. :)
[22:18] <iKarith> I don't live out in the desert or anything, but I couldn't get the thing to throttle.
[22:18] <Bitweasil> I've seen some reviews that looked at the kernel governor settings, not the proper way to check on the Pi3.
[22:19] <Ellied> oh yeah I've got a flirc case
[22:19] <Bitweasil> Try cpuburn-a53.
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[22:19] <iKarith> Bitweasil: I think that's what we used?
[22:19] <Ellied> I could wish for easier GPIO access but the heat dissipation and general build quality are fantastic
[22:19] <Bitweasil> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ssvb/cpuburn-arm/master/cpuburn-a53.S
[22:19] <Bitweasil> gcc -o cpuburn-a53 cpuburn-a53.S
[22:19] <Bitweasil> ./cpuburn-a53
[22:19] <Bitweasil> Yeah, it looks like a beautiful case.
[22:20] <Bitweasil> If it won't throttle with that, it's amazing. :)
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[22:20] <Bitweasil> I wonder how many people bitching about emulators not keeping up are just deep into throttling? :/
[22:21] <Bitweasil> However, I would /not/ assume the 3B+ will work properly with that case until tested. Heat spreaders tend to add a good bit of height.
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[22:21] <iKarith> Bitweasil: Not in a room kept under 23 degrees.
[22:21] <Bitweasil> How long did you run it for?
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[22:21] <Bitweasil> Heat soaking a heatsink takes a long time.
[22:22] <Bitweasil> Let it run an hour and see.
[22:22] <Bitweasil> That's the real test.
[22:22] <iKarith> 5x 10 minutes, sequential, min/max/avg.
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[22:22] <Bitweasil> *nods* Ok. I may have to buy one of those cases then. :)
[22:23] <iKarith> Bitweasil: You'll NEVER do that to it real-world.
[22:24] <Bitweasil> ... but cpuburn-a53 /is/ my application! :D
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[22:24] <Bitweasil> (and, yes, you're right)
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[22:24] <iKarith> To be fair the room was under 23 degrees (about 21 I think) and the flirc case was sitting on a table with several inches of clearance on all sides
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[22:25] <iKarith> so hardly the most unfair conditions possible.
[22:25] <iKarith> but it's also a pretty thick hunk of cast aluminum in the shape of a Pi case with the portion over the CPU extruded downward to be thermally taped to it.
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[22:26] <iKarith> It did get high toward the end, but that's the weakness of the thermal tape at some point.
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[22:27] <iKarith> never high enough to actually thermal throttle in my test. :)
[22:27] <iKarith> I do worry the Pi 3 has reduced wifi that way
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[22:34] <Ellied> I bet the flirc case will have a 3B+ version soon enough anyhow.
[22:35] <Ellied> I suspect a lot of case manufacturers will have to make new versions just to accomodate that extra 4-pin header
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[22:39] <iKarith> Ellied: the Flirc case probably needs no modifications for the 4 pin header
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[22:39] <iKarith> In fact the one limitation of the flirc case is that aside from a permanently connected ribbon cable, the GPIO header is mostly not usable.
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[22:40] <iKarith> I've connected one this way
[22:40] <iKarith> But the other Pis I have in flirc cases have no GPIO at all.
[22:42] <Ellied> the Pi I've got in my flirc case has a badly damaged GPIO and possibly some voltage regulator issues that have made it run too hot in the past
[22:42] <Ellied> it belonged to a classmate who smacked it with a particularly spicy transient from stepper motor flyback during class, and when it wouldn't boot, he gave it to me
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[22:43] <Ellied> GPIOs 0 through 9 are all toast, but the rest still work fine, and I've even overclocked it to 1350 MHz without trouble now
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[22:48] <H__> poor pi, and that on pi day
[22:48] <Ellied> this was years ago, not recent
[22:49] <GenteelBen> RIP Ellied's Pi
[22:49] <GenteelBen> 2017-2018
[22:49] <GenteelBen> "You were the wings beneath my wings."
[22:49] <GenteelBen> *wind
[22:49] <GenteelBen> :|
[22:49] <Ellied> out of all the Pis I've had mishaps befall, this one is one of the better-off
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[22:50] <wyvern> did anyone ever confirm one way or another if the 3B+ has full bluetooth support or just BLE?
[22:50] * BurtyB just got an estimated delivery date of W/C 11/6/2018 on the Pi POE HAT from Farnell :(
[22:51] <Ellied> wyvern: it's on-air compatible with my 2008 Toughbook that most likely doesn't support BLE, if that tells you what you need to know
[22:51] <wyvern> that's a good sign
[22:51] <Ellied> er, wait, didn't see your + there
[22:51] <wyvern> ah.
[22:51] <Ellied> I'd be surprised if they took that out though, given that they went so far as to add dual-band wifi
[22:52] <wyvern> Does serial-over-bluetooth already work on the 3B (not plus)? It doesn't claim to have that
[22:52] <redrabbit> it should
[22:52] <Ellied> that I don't know. I tried to get it working briefly and eventually gave up because it wasn't working.
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[22:53] <iKarith> Ellied: I remain skeptical of powering the Pi 3 off Micro-USB with any but the official and Cana Kit power adapters, and I begin to distrust the micro-USB connector at about 2.5 amp…
[22:53] <Ellied> huh?
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[22:53] <iKarith> Ellied: So I had a barrel jack adapter that I powered connected electronics and the Pi …
[22:53] <iKarith> I accudentally connected a 12v adapter to it one time…
[22:54] <iKarith> Someone could probably have repaired it, but I'm not that someone. ;)
[22:54] <Ellied> which part blew up first?
[22:55] <iKarith> The Pi
[22:55] <iKarith> The other electronics had their own regulators
[22:55] <Ellied> I mean, which part of the Pi? did the SMPS just fry, or did it do in the SOC too?
[22:56] <iKarith> I don't know.
[22:56] <Cypher100> just skip the usb charger, and put 2 wires into the socket, and connect them directly to the pi
[22:56] <Cypher100> what could go wrong
[22:56] <Ellied> oh, good plan
[22:57] <iKarith> Cypher100: That'll solve some problem at least.
[22:57] <iKarith> Except isn't that normally how you do power over ethernet?
[22:57] <Bitweasil> PoE is normally 30V or so.
[22:58] <iKarith> Right, 300v or so
[22:58] <iKarith> need one of those european voltage converters
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[22:58] <iKarith> totally safe! :D
[22:58] <Cypher100> 300v through Ethernet would be impressive, and scary
[22:58] <CoJaBo> Etherkiller™
[22:59] <iKarith> (if anyone is sarcasm impaired, DO NOT TRY THAT AT HOME or at work or anywhere else…)
[22:59] <redrabbit> it makes it go faster
[22:59] <CoJaBo> It will release the blue smoke. Also, probably the black smoke from every item in your home, and also your soul.
[22:59] <CoJaBo> RIP
[22:59] <iKarith> Ellied: thing is? When I cooked that Pi 3… It was still in the time when they were new and you couldn't necessarily get a replacement easily.
[23:00] <Cypher100> Like my grandma use to say, if it's enough electricity to kill a human, it's enough to kill your pi
[23:00] <iKarith> I was definitely kicking myself after that one.
[23:00] <iKarith> Cypher100: Your grandma used to say that? LOL
[23:00] * iKarith complements Cypher100 on the awesomeness of Cypher100's grandma
[23:02] <Bitweasil> Feels like the causation should go the other way.
[23:03] <GenteelBen> lol cyphase
[23:03] <GenteelBen> Cypher100*
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[23:05] <Cypher100> I think a headless POE Zero would be awesome to have
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[23:06] <inahd> hey pi people
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[23:07] <inahd> i am trying to understand 'usb gadget mode', for my pi zero, to see if it will be a suitable controller for my model m keyboard :/
[23:07] <Habbie> inahd, what do you mean by 'controller'? what is your goal?
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[23:09] <inahd> my goal is to convert the model m keyboard from a rj45 to usb connection
[23:09] <inahd> people use these pro micros or whatever, but i already have a pi zero collecting dust
[23:12] <Habbie> so you want to turn model m + pi zero into 'hello pc, here is a usb keyboard'
[23:12] <inahd> yeah.
[23:12] <Habbie> gadget mode sounds right for that
[23:12] <inahd> but it would be cool if i could have it do others stuff as well :D
[23:13] <Habbie> :)
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[23:14] <inahd> it's a lot to process, all the details... trying to feel it out
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[23:41] <taza> Is the Pi3B+ less annoyed about power?
[23:41] <Cypher100> I think it uses more power
[23:41] <CoJaBo> inahd: Be sure to open-source it, there's way too few good gadget-mode examples
[23:41] <taza> Wasn't quite asking that.
[23:42] <CoJaBo> It uses more power, so tends to be more picky
[23:42] <taza> Is it more picky about the voltage though?
[23:42] <CoJaBo> The voltage drop will be higher, so generally yes
[23:42] <taza> ... no, it won't?
[23:42] <CoJaBo> ?
[23:43] <taza> You've either misunderstood the question or the problem
[23:43] <Cypher100> Please ask a more detailed question
[23:43] <taza> Nah
[23:43] <CoJaBo> lol
[23:43] <taza> If someone knows the answer, they can understand the question
[23:43] <CoJaBo> The question is too vague then
[23:43] <Cypher100> Then we can only offer a speculation
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[23:44] <taza> Yeah, that's fine, I was wondering if someone with the opportunity to test is about.
[23:44] <CoJaBo> probably.
[23:45] <taza> The problem being the RPi was sensitive about 5v in situations where it wasn't an actual problem
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[23:47] <inahd> CoJaBo, if i can figure anything out, it will definitely be shared
[23:47] <CoJaBo> taza: sensitive how
[23:49] <taza> Most of the components inside could be ran off 4.5V, but the design is a bit... rough.
[23:50] <taza> And the problem with the voltage dip in charger designs isn't that it cannot power the Pi, but that they cannot quite keep a stable voltage
[23:52] <taza> Phones and tablets don't care afterall. Fixing the problem for the RPi isn't an overwhelming challenge, but does require extra components, and I was wondering if the RPi3B+ has the components
[23:52] <CoJaBo> If you draw more current from a sucky supply thru a sucky cable, the voltage will drop more.
[23:53] <CoJaBo> AFAIK the PSU on the pi is the same, it just draws more power thru it due to a higher-end SoC
[23:54] <CoJaBo> A lot of chargers will give you a lot of ripple too at higher load
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[23:55] <taza> Yeah but none of that is really related to the problem, except the "afaik" bit.
[23:56] <CoJaBo> The pi is mostly made to be cheap, not have elaborate filtering for badly-regulated supplies
[23:56] <taza> That's not actually what the Pi is made to be.

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