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IRC Log for 2018-03-15

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[0:00] <akk> No? Originally it was marketed as a platform that would make it easy for kids in schools to learn programming even for schools that couldn't afford a computer lab.
[0:00] <taza> Programming and robotics, yeah
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[0:01] <taza> For the first, cheap, accessible replacement parts are good. For the latter, being able to fuel it off a bad power bank really helps.
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[0:22] <Ellied> It'd be neat to see a little micro-USB extension cable with boost-buck regulator in it to take bad 5V power and turn it into good 5V power
[0:24] <CoJaBo> Ellied: that's likely to just overload the supply much of the time tho. It'd also cost about as much As a proper supply.
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[0:49] <redrabbit> would be good to have such cable but you would plug it to the power bank for direct power tap
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[0:50] <redrabbit> guess i could diy that
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[2:32] <exo-squad> anyone around?
[2:32] <puff> I"m around, sort of.
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[2:32] <IT_Sean> nope.
[2:32] <IT_Sean> noone.
[2:32] <exo-squad> i got a google aiy kit and it says it needs a raspberry pi 3
[2:32] <exo-squad> i was gonna use a rpi2 with a wifi dongle..
[2:32] <exo-squad> is that just not gonna work?
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[2:35] <clickboom> exo-squad: which aiy kit?
[2:35] <exo-squad> http://www.microcenter.com/product/483414/AIY_Voice_Kit
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[2:38] <puff> Hm, working on a project with somebody, they gave me a pi with an SD card which looks odd. There's a readme file that mentions NOOBS so I'm assuming they put NOOBS on it.
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[2:40] <puff> Hm, yeah, noobs.
[2:40] <puff> Okay, so I'm guessing my best bet here is to just boot it up with a monitor/keyboard/mouse and see what noobs has to say for itself.
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[2:41] <puff> Wish my monitor made it easier to switch inputs.
[2:41] <clickboom> exo-squad: looks like rpi 2b is supported for software, i dunno about hardware https://aiyprojects.withgoogle.com/voice/#users-guide-3-using-your-device.
[2:42] <exo-squad> yeah i read that. 2b, 3b, 2b, 2b, zero w, 2b, 3b, zero w
[2:42] <puff> Hm, I selected install raspbian, it's chugging... how long is this likely to take? SHould I wander off for a drink and come back in half an hour?
[2:42] <exo-squad> and the network dongle i have ive used with everything and it normaly just works
[2:43] <clickboom> are you having issues with it right now?
[2:44] <exo-squad> i havent put it together yet
[2:44] <exo-squad> i read the "requires a pi3" and was doing research first
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[2:48] <puff> Hm, 4104MB at so far an average of 1.6MB/sec so... guess it's time for that drink.
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[2:59] <taza> Ellied redrabbit The DIY version oughta take literal cents if you don't care about having enough juice to also regulate USB devices btw, it's not a massive undertaking.
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[3:00] <taza> Most USB devices don't especially care about rock-stable 5V, not to the degree that has the 3 start complaining
[3:02] <redrabbit> YES
[3:02] <redrabbit> yes*
[3:02] <redrabbit> damn cap lock
[3:04] <taza> Inevitably the people most opposed to the idea think it's a massive undertaking instead of a minor tweak and also think the RPi's purpose is to provide cheap toys for the geeks and what anyone else wants is irrelevant.
[3:05] <taza> (Meanwhile "oh the power bank needs to supply rock-solid 5v/2a" really hampers setting up things. Better to use the original RPi than the 3B for its intended use.)
[3:08] <taza> Or, granted, the Zero W. I wish there was a Zero W with a more modern processor.
[3:10] <taza> And I do mean "more modern", not just "more power hungry". The power level is fairly on point.
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[3:11] <taza> The BCM2835 was showing its age when the RPi was new
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[3:16] <xse_> Hi ! isn't my old rpi B+ supposed to get "hot" ? I'm like compilling since at least 5 hours and i get something like 35 degrees with vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:16] <taza> ... no?
[3:17] <xse_> i would have assumed that the temperature would have raised until the cpu freq goes down
[3:17] <xse_> i mean
[3:17] <taza> og RPi B+ can handle 3.5w of power
[3:17] <xse_> i thought it was supposed to get as hot as possible to get the most "performances"
[3:17] <taza> Nah
[3:18] <xse_> good to know :)
[3:18] <taza> Or rather, it cannot handle all that much power. A vaguely cool room directly on the device is enough to cool it down
[3:18] <xse_> nice
[3:18] <taza> The power it can handle is so seriously limited it's literally always under 5W
[3:19] <taza> And 5W isn't very hard to cool at all, it's entirely possible to pull it off by accident
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[3:21] <taza> My OG B+ can handle a closed box and constant running at 100% in a cool room
[3:23] <Ellied> I could wish there were a Compute module that was just a Pi Zero W except with the same SoC as the Pi 3, the same SODIMM card-edge connector or whatever it is the CM has now, and bulk pricing.
[3:23] <taza> xse_ Fun fact: Absent anything else, the time for the RPi to heat a liter of cool tap water to room temperature would take 237 minutes.
[3:23] <taza> tbh I'd want more the Pi2 SoC
[3:23] <Ellied> why?
[3:24] <taza> Because if you're doing the kind of computing the Pi2 cannot handle, you're using the wrong device, and the Pi3 SoC is tetchy about power.
[3:25] <taza> A Beowulf cluster of RPis is a dead meme and a bad idea.
[3:25] <Ellied> fair, I was just under the impression that running the SOC faster tended to actually save energy for the same tasks because the thing spends more time idle
[3:25] <taza> Given an power supply capable of delivering infinite energy, yes
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[3:27] <taza> You're talking a $100 processor at least until that's true without a "yes, but"
[3:28] <Ellied> the CM seems to be mainly intended for people who are designing hardware that's to be driven by a Pi, so at least in theory the power supply specifications are less of an issue just since they're to be addressed by an engineer, not some kid with a slightly-less-than-cutting-edge power bank
[3:29] <taza> If you're setting up a RPi system with an engineer-designed power system, something went wrong somewhere.
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[3:30] <Ellied> also, can you not limit the peak power draw of a Pi 3 by underclocking it?
[3:30] <taza> That's also tetchy
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[3:30] <taza> I meant it when I said you shouldn't use the RPi in a beowulf cluster
[3:30] <taza> The compute performance isn't great, deliberately
[3:30] <Ellied> well yeah that's not what I'm planning here
[3:31] <taza> Why wouldn't you use something from Intel or Nvidia?
[3:33] <Ellied> My work is in designing one-off physics lab equipment these days, so I'm imagining using the CM to build a thing in a box that uses a Pi to talk to more specialized electronics and act as a user-hackable networking and basic processing thing
[3:33] <Ellied> that's what we already use them for
[3:33] <taza> And either you're not doing anything all that special computing-wise on the RPi, or your facility is designed Extremely Wrong.
[3:34] <Ellied> like, Pi takes some data, integrates it with a Simpson's Rule approximation or something else fancy that you wouldn't get a simple MCU to do for you, and then sends the result over a network interface
[3:34] <Ellied> so nothing too fancy necessarily, but that tiny boost in peak MIPS can come in handy from time to time
[3:35] <Ellied> just means you can take a few more data points each cycle and still stay on top of the process
[3:35] <taza> ... are you an engineer?
[3:35] <taza> Because if you're not one but work with one, ask them about that idea.
[3:36] <Ellied> physics undergrad, so not in any professional sense, but also yes
[3:36] <Ellied> my prof and I do that sort of thing almost on the regular
[3:37] <taza> Yeah, I figure, that's budget cuts for you
[3:37] <taza> I'm just not gonna sugar-coat it
[3:37] <taza> The idea's just bad.
[3:37] <taza> If the performance of the RPi matters there, you're using the wrong tool for the job
[3:37] * d0rm0us3 needs a detector to tell when power for the freezer has been cut and a way to estimate how long.
[3:38] <d0rm0us3> Has to be cheap
[3:38] <taza> d0rm0us3 Uh, there's commercially available power drain meters?
[3:38] <taza> You'd put one of those on the line. I'm not SURE if they come in ethernet-available but...
[3:38] <Ellied> Okay, so, in the grand scheme of things, no, it doesn't matter at all if it's a Pi 2 or a Pi 3 driving things
[3:38] <taza> Then you set the RPi to ping it.
[3:38] <Ellied> because this is physics, and if you need it, you go get an FPGA
[3:39] <taza> 'xactly
[3:39] <Ellied> but then you've just multiplied the amount of work you have to do for one experiment by a huge amount
[3:39] <taza> Or offload it to a graphics card farm somewhere
[3:39] * d0rm0us3 was thinking more of a cup of water frozen and a coin on top
[3:39] <Ellied> so the longer you can stick with Pis and Python, the sooner you can go back to actually collecting data
[3:40] <taza> If the Pi's "literal seconds" difference matters, you're gonna have your experiments ruined so many times
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[3:40] <Ellied> entire seconds are eternities in physics
[3:41] <taza> In outputting the data. For sample frequency...
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[3:42] <taza> I mean, my entire point is not that it isn't helpful, but that if it's important, you've got the Raspberry Pi hammer and need a Siemens-branded one.
[3:44] <Ellied> and I'm saying that that isn't true. you don't have to be pushing the Pi to its very most absolute limit to benefit from a small speed increase.
[3:45] <taza> Heh, I give up.
[3:45] <taza> You'll understand when you're older
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[3:45] <taza> I mean, I suppose we must do this again and again and again, because it's how we... reproduce?
[3:45] <Ellied> My prof and I need to read the values of nine counters, add them, and transmit them out of a shielded room, 30 times per second. the facility involved cost billions to build, but they also lack a bunch of silly basics, and being able to do that with a Pi basically means the difference between experiment and no experiment
[3:46] <taza> That's both inappropriate, appropriate, and a pun.
[3:46] <Ellied> having a slightly faster CPU involved here would mean that we could handle slightly higher rep rates, which would mean that we'd be more likely to actually have an experiment in situations like this, and my point is that that's worth something.
[3:47] <taza> Now that point I saw coming, and see just above to my response
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[3:48] <taza> It's not meant to be offensive. I'm just a tired old man.
[3:49] <taza> And I'm not gonna hack together a $50 disposable solution to a problem in a billion-dollar facility. I just... no.
[3:49] <xse_> taza: hehe :)
[3:50] <xse_> by the way, does any of you guys know if mesa with vc4 is available for the rpi B+, the old one
[3:50] <taza> Ellied do yourself a favor to and document EVERYTHING in extreme detail
[3:50] <Ellied> well yes, that's the plan
[3:50] <taza> It'll pay off once you return to the scene of your crime and go "what on earth was I thinking with this hacky garbage"
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[3:51] <Ellied> I'm the one who tells my friends that every time we do anything
[3:51] <taza> Yes it will happen to you. That's why I was telling you to go ask an old Engineer. Troubleshooting your own setups is the worst after you've forgotten them.
[3:51] <Ellied> we had some students long ago here try to build a muon detector, and they left behind zero records
[3:51] <Ellied> they left us two scintillators, two PMTs, and a really crappily-assembled PCB, and that was all.
[3:52] <taza> Good. At least you got that part. I wish you had the funding to do it without needing a RPi and more appropriate gear.
[3:52] <Ellied> funding's not the problem.
[3:52] <Ellied> it's literally entirely politics.
[3:52] <taza> Pay attention in economics and sociology
[3:53] <taza> You'll know why what you just said is funny, and it's a good thing to realize
[3:54] <taza> Too many physics guys out there don't figure out the irony of the liberal arts until way late.
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[3:56] <taza> Okay I'll stop being obtuse oldtimer. All money trouble, ever, is entirely politics.
[3:56] <Ellied> okay, perhaps I wasn't clear
[3:57] <Ellied> we have all the money we need already, those politics are already taken care of
[3:57] <Ellied> the part that's difficult is the timeframe and the management of the machine
[3:58] <taza> And the Secret of Liberal Arts is that it's meant to be useless by itself, it's just the framework to enable you to fault-detect in hard sciences, because You're Always Wrong.
[3:58] <taza> Yeah, but it's funny because you clear one step of politics, and hit another. I have a twisted view of funny.
[4:02] <Ellied> in the end it doesn't really matter, all that's happening in my corner is that my professor got handed a difficult problem with two weeks to go, and he thinks me and my Pis are the most promising solution in that timeframe
[4:03] <taza> May your arrows shoot true and your power supply not glitch
[4:03] <Ellied> thanks
[4:03] <taza> Because seriously the Pi is known to short its power and corrupt the SD when it gets overexcited
[4:04] <Ellied> yes, I'm aware
[4:05] <taza> Good, just makin' sure. Running into that one mid-deadline by surprise is a... problem.
[4:05] <taza> You got backup SD cards so you can get things rolling immediately right?
[4:05] <taza> DD's not black magic, fortunately
[4:05] <Ellied> if I do fail, it's not really the end of the project, it just means he has to stay up all night writing verilog, or just toss in an analog integrator and hope the drift doesn't get in the way of finding the effect they're trying to image in the data
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[4:06] <Ellied> I have like ten Pis, a few more SDs, and a few different images ready to go in case
[4:07] <Ellied> copy the code over to another card, boot it, keep going; get the bad card reimaging when there's some downtime
[4:08] <taza> You've got the right idea. I mean, I'd have something more reliable, but yeah, two weeks is a tough one.
[4:09] <taza> If doing things with this kind of deadline is a thing that happens repeatedly, though, I'd ask your management if they have any idea what they're doing
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[4:10] <Ellied> well, it's not really the fault of any one management, at least not one that has any contact with me
[4:10] <taza> Oh, no, it occasionally happens. If it happens constantly, someone doesn't know what they're doing.
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[4:11] <Ellied> the facility is the new XFEL in S. Korea; my prof got invited to be on one of the first foreign teams to use it, and he only learned with 2 weeks to go that they don't actually have a way of measuring their pulse intensities yet
[4:11] <Ellied> "we only do single-shot experiments" they said
[4:12] <taza> Yeah, no, that's a normal situation. If your professor gets into that situation constantly, they need a secretary and/or boss who can sort out their paperwork.
[4:14] <Ellied> well, he doesn't get into this particular situation constantly.
[4:14] <Ellied> he does end up in situations where macguyvering with an RPi is the easiest way out from time to time, though.
[4:15] <taza> Paperwork's important, and if you're not suited for it, delegate.
[4:16] <taza> It's always more efficient to have someone plan things so you don't lack critical tools, and just because you're smart doesn't mean you're organized.
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[4:20] <puff> Hm... dangit, I remember reading about a shell command to just print out any data from the serial port, but my google fu is failing me.
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[4:21] <Ellied> puff: uh, to what end? Are you just trying to watch for data coming in?
[4:22] <puff> Ellied: yeah.
[4:22] <Ellied> I usually just use `screen` for serial stuff, e.g. `screen /dev/ttyS0 115200`
[4:22] <puff> Ellied: Mainly for proving to myself that it's working, before I start trying to write my own code to read from it.
[4:23] <Ellied> I think you can also `cat` serial port devices, but I don't remember how to set the baud rate
[4:23] <puff> Ah. Hm.
[4:24] <puff> I know there are things like raspi-config, raspivid, etc, is there a general google-able term for these commands?
[4:24] <Ellied> for which commands?
[4:25] <puff> raspivid, raspistill, etc.
[4:25] <puff> Specialized end-user-ish command/utilities that are found on raspbian but not generally on linux.
[4:26] <Ellied> hrm
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[4:28] <stiltr> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland
[4:29] <puff> Cool.
[4:30] <stiltr> = )
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[4:39] <puff> Hm, okay, so if this built-in raspbian serial command is a figment of my overwrought imagination... how do I confirm that the serial port is working?
[4:40] <puff> I have this RFID reader wired into it, but when I try a sample python program to just read /dev/serial0 and print out whatever, and wave an RFID tag at the RFID reader, nothing comes out. So possibilities are a) serial port is not configured right, b) RFID reader is not wired right, c) code is not right.
[4:45] <HighInBC> I use screen to play with serial
[4:48] <stiltr> screen is probably the most common. You can also find some python stuff that'll read from the serial port if that's more your style.
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[4:59] <exo-squad> so i got the google aiy voice thing going right.. but like.. it cant really do anything
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[5:35] <Greg-IO> I'd be happy for the current pi to go down in price. I could care less about a ~15% performance boost and improved connectivity.
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[5:47] <exo-squad> it will be a nice improvement from people going from a pi2 to a p3b
[5:48] <red9> Yes, it will improve the amount of money needed :p
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[11:49] <g1uup> Late pi day greetings to all.
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[12:02] <inook> how do i change openbox menu??
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[12:04] <inook> how do i change openbox menu??
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[12:05] <Lartza> At least not by spamming this channel
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[12:43] <red9> Anyone seen any problems with inteference between the Pi 3+ WiFi transceiver and the nearby GPIO pins?
[12:43] <red9> Long wires = nice antennas..
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[12:45] <JimBuntu> resonant wires that send your signal in the right direction = nice antennas
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[13:11] <red9> Anyone got the channel chat logs for 2018-02-21 -- 2018-03-15 ?
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[13:19] <Habbie> red9, i bet i do
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[13:25] <red9> Habbie, Anywhere to download those?
[13:26] <Habbie> i'd have to extract them from you
[13:26] <Habbie> i can do that later
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[13:26] <red9> Habbie, just post the url in the channel, I'll grab it via another logger.
[13:27] <red9> (when u found the time to extract them)
[13:27] <Habbie> red9, you run srv.datagutt1.com?
[13:30] <red9> nope
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[13:30] <red9> But I do read it ;)
[13:30] <Habbie> :)
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[13:31] <red9> At least when it works....... dum di dum ;)
[13:33] <Habbie> red9, https://gist.github.com/Habbie/14febfe33814fc3ab7d491714f936a6b
[13:36] <red9> Thanks! ;)
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[14:07] <Nexiu> Hello, I have mount my windows share in /mnt/cloud on pi, how can I symlink it to /var/www/html/owncloud/data?
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[14:11] <clickboom> are you asking how to make a symbolic link, or how permissions would work with /var/www?
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[14:13] <Nexiu> clickboom: both
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[14:15] <red9> cd /var/www/html/owncloud/ ; mv data data.old ; ln -s /mnt/cloud data
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[14:27] <red9> Nexiu, it worked?
[14:28] <leftyfb> Nexiu: Why not mount your windows share to /var/www/html/owncloud/data?
[14:28] <leftyfb> Nexiu: or bind mount
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[14:30] <Nexiu> leftyfb: i dont know, best ways is automount //192.168.1.40/cloud to /var/www/html/owncloud/data on boot but dont know how to do it
[14:31] <Nexiu> red9: in half, symlink works, but dont have permission to write
[14:31] <leftyfb> Nexiu: same way you're mounting it to /mnt/cloud
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[14:31] <Nexiu> leftyfb: but I need to do it after all restart?
[14:31] <Nexiu> and what with permissions?
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[14:35] <clickboom> Nexiu: mount it with fstab for persistence.
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[14:38] <clickboom> do you have rwx permissions on /mnt/cloud and its contents for www-data?
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[14:53] <leftyfb> I gotta say, that PoE hat is kind of expensive. $20 compared to the $11 adapter with plastics on Amazon. http://a.co/dx1guVt
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[14:56] <Cypher100> If I was making a huge array of Pi's powered by PoE, I would use the hat over a additional cable.
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[14:57] <Cypher100> But if it was only 1 or 2, then I would go with a adapter
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure we'll see another independant market PoE shield in due course..
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[15:12] <leftyfb> still
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[15:13] <leftyfb> I was expecting about $10. From what I understand, it's basically just a step down transformer
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[15:15] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, possibly even before the official one if the estimated date is true heh
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, I've not looked into it in detail, but there is some widgetry to let the PoS switch know it's a real PoE endpoint connected before it turns on the power.
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> er, PoE switch ..:)
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[15:24] <Cypher100> It's a shame that didn't add support of powering the device using pure magic
[15:25] <red9> What's the Pi3+ PoE connector pinout?
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> I want to say .... Clarke? ^
[15:27] <red9> When we get a grip on virtual particles, quantum gravity, cashmir effect, zero point energy etc. Then there will be action.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> I'd settle for my phone working reliably indoors.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Oh, interesting. I was doing a let me google it for you for red9 and his PoE header - looking at the 3+ schematic and it looks like there is provision to remotely power the whole Pi down....
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> the EN pin next to the RUN pin is Global_EN able which does into the new power control chip. I suspect that pulling it low (externally) may disable the power chip.
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> although there will be leakage from 5v to 0v via a 1k8 resistor, so 3mA - might be acceptable in some cases.
[15:35] <red9> smells like a mod ;)
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> or a Wake on Lan hack ... or .. well, anything for the bleaters who want to turn it off.
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[15:39] <red9> heh.. no has uploaded at PCB picture of the Pi 3+ to wikipedia commons..
[15:41] <red9> For future reference Pi 3+ mainboard: https://www.piborg.org/image/cache/data/rpi-products/MMP-1153/DSC_0019-816x612.jpg
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[15:42] <red9> gordonDrogon, Do you know the R number for that 1k8 resistor ?
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[15:45] <red9> Also for reference: "Pi’s can be connected to Eduroam WiFi(WPA2 peap with mschapv2) with username and password with a correct config."
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> red9, sure, but you can read it from the schematic yourself.
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> (I've closed the pdf and can't be bothered finding it myself - and in any case, you don't need the resistor, the hole on the PCB is marked next to the RUN hole)
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[15:49] <red9> Reference: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi-3bplus_reduced_schematic.pdf
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[15:50] <red9> U8 - XR77004 ; No datasheet?
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> http://www.maxlinear.com/maxlinears-mxl7704-power-management-ic-powers-the-raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
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[15:52] <red9> U8 seems to be controlled via INT_SDA INT_SCL but no hint on where it's wired to. But it might enable full power control over the Pi ie deep sleep mode.. possible.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> oh for goodness sake. How long have you had a Pi?
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> It's the "internal" I2C. Fairly obvious that. The I2C bus used for the HAT configuration. (or camers). not exactly rocket science to work that out.
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[16:00] <red9> gordonDrogon, yeah, but can you access it from the SoC using a driver etc?
[16:01] <red9> And that U8 lacks any datasheet.
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> red9, you've never used a Pi, have you?
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[16:03] <Syliss> lol
[16:03] <red9> I have used a Pi. Even develeoped interface devices for it. Despite non-existent documentation on gpio electrical characteristics on Vil, Vih and leakage current.
[16:03] <shiftplusone> You can, but you probably shouldn't.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> ^
[16:05] <red9> Anyway I tried to find the pinout of the PoE connector and it seems to be .. non-existant.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> why should the publish it?
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[16:07] <red9> So people can use it?
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[16:11] <shiftplusone> just checked the schematic
[16:11] <shiftplusone> those pins go to the transformer taps
[16:14] <red9> Two of them ought to go there. But the other two? and is the Ethernet section wired in a galvanically isolated setup?
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> red9, stop asking obvious questions. Go look at some PoE specs and you'll find the answers staring right at you.
[16:15] <red9> Is there any non-reduced schematic that shows how things are actually wired?
[16:15] <shiftplusone> No public ones if you don't want to take my word for it.
[16:16] <red9> gordonDrogon, I have deep dived into PoE some years ago and there several ways to go about PoE.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> well... use your imagination and imagine this... 4 pairs, 4 transformers, 4 center taps - 4 pins. Go figure.
[16:17] <ST3NO> hi, how can i install archlinux on my rpi from windows??
[16:17] <HighInBC> my imagination hurts, it is not used to doing 4 things at once
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ST3NO, follow the instructions of the ArchLinux website.
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ST3NO, but if all they give you is an IMG file, then use etcher to copy it to an SD card.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> (and consider using a distro that gives you full instructions)
[16:18] <ST3NO> gordonDrogon: on the site i found only .tar.gz file...
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[16:19] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: no img file, they only provide a rootfs tarball
[16:20] <shiftplusone> so if you want to install it from windows, you install linux first (probably in a VM)
[16:20] <BCMM> shiftplusone: you're going to need an operating system that is capable of partitioning and creating decent filesystems
[16:20] <BCMM> sorry, wrong highlight
[16:20] <BCMM> ST3NO: ^
[16:21] <BCMM> ST3NO: if you're following these instructions, windows is a non-starter https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[16:21] <BCMM> a Linux virtual machine + USB passthrough for your SD card reader is probably the least horrid method
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> ST3NO, really? I guess they don't want to make it easy then - sorry. Try Raspbian instead.
[16:22] <BCMM> next least horrible would be to create a disk image on your vm, transfer that to the host, and then use etcher
[16:22] <ST3NO> BCMM: yes...i'm following the official guide
[16:22] <HighInBC> what OS can't trivially partition and create file systems?
[16:22] <BCMM> windows.
[16:23] <HighInBC> srsly? It can't even do that?
[16:23] <HighInBC> that is OS year 1 stuff
[16:23] <shiftplusone> MS has no interest in supporting filesystems which aren't theirs
[16:23] <BCMM> partitioning? maybe. creating filesystems other than the three or four toy filesystems it officially supports? big headache.
[16:23] <ST3NO> gordonDrogon: i really wanna install arch on my rpi....so i'll do it by VM
[16:24] <shiftplusone> Or... install raspbian first, then use raspbian to install arch
[16:24] <ST3NO> Thanks guys! :D
[16:24] <akk> I'm sure there are windows programs that can do it. Partition Magic? (am I showing my age again?)
[16:24] <shiftplusone> idk of anything that's free and reliable
[16:24] <ST3NO> shiftplusone: great idea!
[16:24] <akk> (been a while since I had windows)
[16:24] <shiftplusone> but maybe there's something... I see no reason to try to do it from windows.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> there are MS Windows partition programs, but that's only the start, then you need to format - the first FAT partition will be easy, the 2nd, ext4, ... er ....
[16:25] <shiftplusone> ST3NO: raspbian lite should be more than enough for that.
[16:25] <shiftplusone> got a usb sd card reader you can plug into the pi?
[16:25] <akk> One easy way to get the formatting done: download a raspbian lite image, flash it to the card, voila, now you have the two partitions
[16:25] <akk> which you can overwrite with anything you like.
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[16:25] <ST3NO> shiftplusone: I already have an sd with a copy of raspbian installed
[16:25] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:26] <BCMM> akk: partition magic is discontinued. due to limitations in vista and later, you basically need a boot disk to get stuff done.
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[16:26] <BCMM> akk: also, that would involve being able to mount whatever filesystem raspbian uses... ext i think?
[16:26] <BCMM> can be done, but isn't straightforwards
[16:27] <BCMM> ST3NO: have you ever installed Arch on a PC?
[16:27] <ST3NO> BCMM: only VM
[16:27] <akk> Oh, that's true, you do still have to be able to mount it.
[16:28] <BCMM> i mean, if you're comfortable booting a live cd and working from that, just do that on the machine with the SD card reader
[16:28] <BCMM> ST3NO: still got the Arch vm around?
[16:28] <BCMM> ST3NO: even if your VM software won't let you pass-through your SD card reader, you should be able to do the following:
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[16:30] <ST3NO> BCMM: VM is gone..
[16:30] <BCMM> 1. use dd to create a blank image the same size as your sd card 2. follow https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi, using your image file instead of /dev/sdX, and using losetup before mounting 3. copy the resulting image to Windows 4. use etcher
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[16:32] <BCMM> in any case, you're basically going to need a unix environment of some sort to proceed with this, unless somebody will give you a pre-made arch image
[16:32] <red9> https://etcher.io/
[16:33] <ST3NO> BCMM: why on the official site of arch do not provide a copy already in img format?
[16:33] <BCMM> ST3NO: you'll have to ask them
[16:34] <BCMM> ST3NO: but as i understand it, a certain amount of "do it yourself" is inherent to Arch's philosophy
[16:34] <BCMM> if you want to just click the button and get a working operating system, there are other solutions available
[16:34] <BCMM> it might help to consider why you want Arch, in particular
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> ST3NO: because that's how they do it for every other platofrm and they don't want to do things differently for raspberry pi, mostly on principle
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[16:38] <ST3NO> BCMM: it might help to consider why you want Arch, in particular
[16:38] <ST3NO> BCMM: I want to learn how to use Arch and to always have the updated packages
[16:39] <BCMM> ST3NO: well, you're learning how to use arch right now! start by booting a linux live cd.
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[16:43] <red9> Another MS-windows tool to write image files: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
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[16:44] <r3> not new, for sure better (IMO) than etcher
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[16:46] <r3> actually have used it a bunch for all sorts of different flavors of linux, even tho - IIRC - the last time I used it for a Debian install, the Debian installer complained about being installed that way
[16:47] <BCMM> yeah i just went with etcher because somebody else recommended it. i'd usually go with win32diskimager
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[16:47] <red9> Well win32diskimager is the default recommendation from the FreeBSD project. They usually get it right so.. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-pre.html
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[16:48] <r3> oh I've nothing against it, it is my go-to tool in the toolbox for that need
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[16:49] <red9> Momentum-22.. you want unix but can't get it because your M$ operating system have no system tool to write the image.
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[17:40] <ST3NO> BCMM: i've done it ^^ installed by Raspbian, everything went well and the system works
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> ST3NO, well done!
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[18:46] <BurtyB> Anyone else tried adding eth0 to a bridge on the Pi3+ ? When I try to add a bridge with /etc/network/interface I get a nice kernel oops and it boot never seems to complete (using the same SD boots OK on a Pi3)
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[18:50] <Habbie> BurtyB, wow
[18:50] <Habbie> BurtyB, sounds like a driver specific issue
[18:50] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: report it on github raspberrypi/linux
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[19:44] <larsks> Hey folks in the US, I just stopped by microcenter today and they are selling the Pi Zero W for $3.14 :)
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Still? Pi day was yestahday.
[19:45] <Bitweasil> Aw. None of those near me. :( I used to work at one, though!
[19:45] <Bitweasil> I haven't come up with a good use for the Pi Zero yet.
[19:46] <Habbie> larsks, nice!
[19:46] <Tenkawa> Bitweasil: got a mc here... selection has always been spotty though
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[19:47] <larsks> Bitweasil: I recently did a small project setting up some heat/humidity sensors with ESP8266 boards. At $3.14, the Zero W would actually cheaper and easier to work with.
[19:47] <Bitweasil> I liked working at one, long ago.
[19:47] <Bitweasil> Nice discounts on return rack stuff.
[19:48] <Bitweasil> Hm, even if you include the SD card?
[19:48] <Bitweasil> The ESP8266 units are quite cheap.
[19:48] <Tenkawa> yep still 3.14 here too
[19:48] <Bitweasil> huh.
[19:49] <Tenkawa> I just hope they get some of the 3+'s in
[19:49] <larsks> Well, maybe not counting the sd card. The esp boards I bought were around $3.50/each.
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[20:49] <Tenkawa> welcome
[20:49] <mason> Thank you. :)
[20:49] <Habbie> hello!
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[20:50] <mason> I got my first RPi a few months ago, but I burned it out before being able to use it - Zero, and I evidently plugged power into the USB, thus hosing the USB. A 3B just arrived today, and I'm going to snag a Zero W tomorrow and start doing some projects.
[20:50] <Habbie> isn't the usb for plugging power into?
[20:50] <Habbie> that's what i do
[20:50] <Habbie> so i'm missing something
[20:51] <mason> Maybe it was defective out of the gate - I don't have a good way to know. I had a powered hub and a power supply and had them both in, but evidently I plugged the hub into the power port and the power into the usb without realizing it.
[20:52] <Tenkawa> did anything ever pass more than 5v?
[20:52] <mason> Anyway, that meant no keyboard, no USB networking of any sort, so I could watch boot messages scroll by, maybe pull the power so I could watch them scroll by again. :P
[20:52] <mason> Shouldn't have.
[20:52] <Habbie> i don't immediately see how that would fry anything
[20:52] <mason> Anyway, I gave that one away to someone with soldering skills, and I'm going to try again.
[20:53] <mason> Habbie: Yeah, dunno. It was unfortunate in any event.
[20:53] <Tenkawa> mason: i'm not 100 convinced its fried
[20:53] <Tenkawa> what makes you think it is
[20:53] <Tenkawa> what are you basing that on?
[20:53] <mason> Tenkawa: Might not be, but I tried a couple different hubs to connect keyboards, USB devices, and nothing ever registered as being plugged in.
[20:53] <Tenkawa> how would you be able to tell?
[20:53] <Habbie> uhm
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[20:54] <Habbie> were any of those hubs otg?
[20:54] <mason> Something would have shown up on the console.
[20:54] <mason> otg?
[20:54] <Tenkawa> what console?
[20:54] <mason> looking that up
[20:54] <Habbie> ok
[20:54] <Habbie> i can rephrase after :)
[20:54] <mason> Tenkawa: HDMI
[20:54] <Tenkawa> ahh
[20:54] <Tenkawa> ok
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[20:54] <Habbie> Tenkawa, i have a strong suspicion about the problem here ;)
[20:54] <mason> I could watch boot messages, but not interact. I'd have seen USB devices register there if they'd been able to talk.
[20:54] <Tenkawa> Habbie: yeah same here
[20:54] <mason> Habbie: And it is?
[20:55] <Habbie> mason, so, here's my suspicion
[20:55] <Habbie> mason, you took a powered usb hub
[20:55] <Habbie> mason, plugged the pi into it 'just like a keyboard'
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[20:55] <Habbie> mason, then plugged a keyboard into the hub the same way
[20:55] <Habbie> mason, in one of those nice rectangular ports
[20:55] <Habbie> mason, and the pi did not see the keyboard
[20:55] <mason> right, nor a USB ethernet adapter, possible a mouse
[20:55] <mason> possibly*
[20:55] <Habbie> right
[20:55] <Tenkawa> bingo
[20:55] <Habbie> so that's normal
[20:55] <Habbie> it does not mean the pi is broken
[20:56] <Tenkawa> that doesnt work
[20:56] <Habbie> another rephrase
[20:56] <Habbie> say instead of the pi you plugged your mobile phone in that way
[20:56] <mason> Didn't see the hub connect either. No messages anyway. I'm still not seeing it.
[20:56] <Habbie> would you expect to see the keyboard on the phone?
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[20:56] <mason> I'd expect to see a message about something connecting even if there's no driver. Generic uhid maybe? Dunno.
[20:56] <Habbie> ok
[20:56] <Habbie> so, no
[20:56] <Habbie> usb has a direction
[20:56] <Habbie> from A to B
[20:56] <Habbie> the rectangular port is A
[20:56] <Habbie> a keyboard is B
[20:56] <Habbie> your phone is B
[20:56] <Habbie> and the ports on the pi zero are B
[20:57] <Habbie> there is no discovery from B to A
[20:57] <Habbie> only from A to B
[20:57] <Habbie> OTG is the trick that can reverse that
[20:57] <mason> interesting
[20:57] <Habbie> but it requires an adapter or a hub aware of this (in which case the end not going in the Pi would not look like the A port you are used to)
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[20:57] <mason> USB On-The-Go?
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[20:57] <Habbie> yes
[20:58] <Tenkawa> yep... little what would you say Habbie 5$ adapter from like Microcenter?
[20:58] <Habbie> mason, might look like this for example https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/usb-otg-cable-white-15cm
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[20:58] <Habbie> mason, note that the left end is what a keyboard would *plug into*
[20:58] <Habbie> mason, not what you would plug into a hub like you would a keyboard
[20:58] <mason> This is new to me. I thought USB was a general bus and bi-directional. Hrm.
[20:59] <Habbie> mason, USB-C changes all this, does away with the distinction
[20:59] <Habbie> mason, but A/B have the distinction -except- when OTG is available and used correctly
[20:59] <Habbie> mason, so i don't think there was anything wrong with your zero
[20:59] <mason> So, what's the intended purpose of the Pi's USB ports without OTG?
[20:59] <Habbie> power it
[20:59] <Habbie> period
[20:59] <mason> Habbie: That'll be good news for the guy I gave it to. :)
[20:59] <Habbie> i lied
[20:59] <mason> Habbie: There are two and one's noted for peripherals....?
[20:59] <Habbie> the zero can also, from software, pretend to be a B device
[20:59] <Habbie> a keyboard -to- your PC
[21:00] <Habbie> a storage device -to- your PC
[21:00] <Habbie> an ethernet adapter -to- your PC
[21:00] <mason> hrm, hrm
[21:00] <mason> interesting
[21:00] <Habbie> but for any device that expects to be connected 'to a PC'
[21:00] <Habbie> you'll need OTG
[21:00] <mason> Is this the case with the 3B as well then?
[21:00] <Habbie> i imagine the 3B has USB A ports like the 3
[21:00] <Tenkawa> especially HID devices
[21:00] <Habbie> so the answer would be no
[21:00] <mason> kk
[21:00] <mason> This is good to know.
[21:01] <Habbie> mason, are you grasping the A/B concept?
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[21:01] <Tenkawa> Habbie: very good explanation in my opinion
[21:01] <Habbie> Tenkawa, thanks!
[21:01] <mason> Although, I'm unclear on how an OTB adapter would get input into the Pi if the Pi is designed not to discover things.
[21:01] <Habbie> Tenkawa, i do this about weekly :<
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[21:01] <Habbie> mason, the pi is designed to discover things, but only if you use OTG to 'reverse the roles'
[21:01] <mason> Habbie: Hah. I believe I am, and I'm unclear how anything outside the B port could make the B port suddenly interact as an A.
[21:01] <Tenkawa> mason: it switches things inside
[21:02] <mason> So, the Pi recognizes that there's something that does OTG plugged in and acts accordingly?
[21:02] <Tenkawa> like swapping pins
[21:02] <Tenkawa> yep
[21:02] <Habbie> mason, exactly, and then it behaves like an A device
[21:02] <Habbie> mason, the same adapter will allow you to connect a mouse or keyboard to your android phone for most models
[21:02] <Tenkawa> indeed
[21:02] <mason> Out of curiosity, what keeps it from doing this automatically? Why the need for an OTG converter?
[21:03] <Habbie> the specs don't allow it
[21:03] <Habbie> A discovers B
[21:03] <Habbie> that's how the things flow
[21:03] <mason> Except in C. :P
[21:03] <Habbie> i cannot be more vague about that ;)
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[21:03] <Habbie> except in C where everything is way more flexible
[21:03] <Tenkawa> te original USB specs didnt have it
[21:03] <mason> "A discovers B except in C."
[21:03] <Habbie> and you need to wonder if your laptop is charging your phone, or the other way around
[21:03] <mason> heh
[21:04] <Tenkawa> I can see scenarios where it would be a very bad thing too
[21:04] <mason> Alright, well. Thank you. I'll tell the fellow I gave the first Zero to, and hopefully he either figured that out himself or didn't deconstruct the Zero trying to find a blown capacitor.
[21:04] <Habbie> hehe
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[21:04] <mason> Out of curiosity, for the Zero with no wifi, what's the expected way to interact with it? Sure looked like it was running a getty after booting.
[21:05] <Habbie> well, many ways
[21:05] <mason> Or is having an OTG adapter simply expected?
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[21:05] <Habbie> so there are two things you can do with a cable you already have
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[21:05] <Habbie> the one you charge your phone with
[21:05] <Habbie> if you configure the pi zero (which can be mostly done via config.txt) to be a useful B device
[21:05] <Habbie> and connect the A side to your PC
[21:05] <Habbie> you can talk serial or ethernet to it
[21:05] <Habbie> your PC will think you plugged in a USB ethernet adapter, for example
[21:06] <Habbie> but the only thing on that 'LAN' is the pi
[21:06] <Habbie> and then you can ssh
[21:06] <mason> Alright. That makes sense.
[21:06] <Habbie> note that only one of the two ports does this
[21:06] <mason> And I can configure config.txt elsewhere.
[21:06] <Habbie> yes, because it's on the SD
[21:06] <Habbie> there's some great docs out there on the internet
[21:06] <kamdard> anyone has successfully been able to chromecast on raspbian (jessie 8) using chromium browser on pi 3 ? It is telling me it is not able to find a device to cast to, whereas, I am able to cast from my phone, pc etc without an issue.
[21:06] <Habbie> mostly in github gists i think
[21:06] <kamdard> chromium version : 56.0.2924.84-0ubuntu0.14.04.1.1000, kernel : 4.9.35-v7+
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[21:07] <Habbie> mason, ignoring the price, something like this might be fun https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-zero/ethernet-hub-usb-hub-met-micro-usb-otg-onnector
[21:07] <Azrael_-> hi
[21:07] <mason> If my PC thinks I've plugged in USB ethernet... Do I configure what network and the RPi end in config.txt for addressing, etc?
[21:07] <Habbie> mason, although the two i have on my desk (not from this shop) are garbage
[21:07] <Habbie> mason, does 169.254.x.x ring a bell as IPs?
[21:07] <mason> Habbie: Local/self-assigned?
[21:07] <Habbie> exactly
[21:08] <Azrael_-> if i use a raspi zero, would it be possible to configure it to act both as a usb-storage device and hid (keyboard) at the same time?
[21:08] <Habbie> as i recall it, if you just do the config.txt stuff, both your PC and the Pi will pick one of those
[21:08] <mason> kk
[21:08] <Habbie> and then you scan the whole range or rely on mdns/avahi to resolve raspberrypi.local
[21:08] <Habbie> again, fine docs are out there
[21:08] <Habbie> Azrael_-, i'm unsure the existing software can do it, but it would in fact be a matter of software - so it depends on your persistence
[21:08] <Habbie> mason, ^ see this question :)
[21:09] <mason> So, I'll say that the RPi putting up a getty sure made me think it wanted a keyboard plugged in. I might just get an OTG adapter for that.
[21:09] <Azrael_-> Habbie: thanks, sounds promising at least :D
[21:09] <Habbie> mason, there are some interesting uses for the zero the non-zeros do not have
[21:09] <mason> Oh?
[21:09] <Habbie> mason, like Azrael_- just said 'can my zero be a usb storage stick AND a keyboard to my pc' 'well probably'
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[21:10] <mason> http://www.microcenter.com/product/458736/Micro_USB_OTG_Cable
[21:10] <Habbie> yes.
[21:11] <Habbie> Connect your USB On-The-Go capable tablet computer or Smartphone to USB 2.0 devices thumb drives, USB mouse or keyboard, etc.
[21:11] <Habbie> for 'tablet or phone', read 'pi zero'
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[21:12] <Azrael_-> even more crazy: is it possible to duplicate the graphics-output of a computer and capture it with a raspi (zero) and provide it e.g. using vnc? (i already miserably fail about thinking how to duplicate the output)
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[21:12] <mason> I think our first project with the kids will involve time-lapsed pictures of a plant growing.
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[21:12] <Tenkawa> cool
[21:13] <arora> Hey, what are some other good channels for single board computers?
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[21:13] <Tenkawa> I'm getting ready to build a weather station
[21:13] <mason> I want to do a weather station as well.
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[21:14] <mason> Tenkawa, Habbie: Thank you for the USB tutorial.
[21:14] <Tenkawa> I'm affected by barometric pressure shifts so it would be neat to be able to track them myself
[21:14] <Tenkawa> mason: no problem
[21:14] <Tenkawa> good luck and have fun
[21:14] <Tenkawa> arora: good question
[21:14] <Habbie> mason, no problem, it's very confusing
[21:15] <Habbie> mason, my partner works with otg all day and still gets confused
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[21:16] <Habbie> Azrael_-, beyond the camera input i cannot imagine this making sense with a pi
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[21:19] <red9> Tenkawa, which country?
[21:20] <red9> Anyway, one issue you will have to be aware of is that the Raspberry Pi computers use like 100 mA regardless of CPU load. So any battery solution may be an issue.
[21:21] <Tenkawa> red9: i'm only looking at something for my desk.. usa
[21:22] <Tenkawa> it will tell me enough
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[21:26] <Bitweasil> An Arduino and little LCD is the better option. Or, you know, a classy analog barometer.
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[21:29] <Tenkawa> Bitweasil: but not nearly as fun
[21:30] <Tenkawa> not for an old guy like me
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[21:34] <Habbie> Tenkawa, some cheap wireless weather station plus a 433 receiver for the pi may also make sense btw
[21:35] <Tenkawa> Habbie: heheheh
[21:35] <Habbie> i'm not really kidding
[21:37] <Tenkawa> i know...
[21:38] <Tenkawa> however my intent is to build something specific
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[21:38] <Nexiu> hello again :)
[21:38] <Nexiu> Ive mount a windows shared folder to /var/www/html/owncloud/data/autolux but when I log to www i cant see file from there
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[21:38] <Nexiu> mount says: //192.168.1.40/CHMURA-AUTOLUX on /var/www/html/owncloud/data/autolux type cifs (rw,relatime,vers=1.0,cache=strict,username=guest,domain=JANOSIK,uid=33,forceuid,gid=33,forcegid,addr=192.168.1.40,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=61440,wsize=65536,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1)
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[21:39] <Habbie> Tenkawa, specific in what way?
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[21:44] <Tenkawa> darnit... scrollback... brb
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[21:48] <Tenkawa> ok better
[21:48] <Tenkawa> now my mouse doesnt mess up my scrollback
[21:48] <Habbie> hehe
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[21:49] <Tenkawa> I forgot to readd the line to my startup rc scripts when i rebuilt this image
[21:49] <Tenkawa> done now
[21:49] <mason> Tenkawa: What are you running that has rc scripts?
[21:49] <Tenkawa> bash login script
[21:50] <Tenkawa> .bashrc
[21:50] <Tenkawa> .login
[21:50] <mason> Oh, kk.
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[21:50] <Tenkawa> I'm still oldschool
[21:50] <zleap> remember if you edit .bashrc you can run source .bashrc andit re-reads it
[21:50] <mason> I've pondered both Slackware and FreeBSD for my RPi projects but I'm just going to use Raspbian.
[21:50] <Tenkawa> zleap: yes I know
[21:50] <zleap> ok :)
[21:51] <mason> Tenkawa: Old school here as well. I'm typing this into irssi, inside screen, through twists and turns ultimately displayed inside urxvt, managed by openbox, launched by xdm. :P
[21:51] <Tenkawa> mason: well... i could probably contest oldschool for some
[21:51] <Tenkawa> similar setup though
[21:53] <mason> Oh... with urxvt surrounded by a desktop image set by my licensed copy of xv. :P
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[22:02] <Encrypt> mason, Openbox :x
[22:02] <Encrypt> mason, Could be even more oldschool with i3wm
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[22:02] <mason> Encrypt: i3wm is a bunch newer. Anyway, I get tiling/keyboard-controlled behaviour through scripting I whipped up.
[22:03] <Encrypt> mason, https://share.encrypt-labs.tk/capture.png
[22:03] <mason> I hotkey meta-hjkl to move left, down, up, right.
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[22:04] <mason> Ah, too dark, too dark. My terminals are inky black on a parchment background.
[22:04] <Encrypt> I ike it black
[22:04] <Encrypt> My eyes feel better
[22:04] <Encrypt> That said... I may consider a solarized theme someday
[22:04] <Encrypt> The dark blue is too dark
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[22:05] <Encrypt> mason, Picture proudly served by a Raspberry Pi by the way :P
[22:05] <r3> I want a paperwhite (like from the Kindle) monitor.
[22:05] <Encrypt> +1
[22:05] <mason> nice nice
[22:05] <Encrypt> r3, There was a project on Kickstarter which seems to work
[22:05] <mason> An eink display would be nice.
[22:05] <Encrypt> That's not cheap but it work
[22:05] <r3> Encrypt: I will look
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[22:06] <r3> I wonder if I could somehow just use one of their largest kindles as a display - I wonder if there's an app for that
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[22:06] <Encrypt> r3, Indiegogo actually: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/e-ink-monitor-with-hdmi-paperlike-pro#/
[22:06] <r3> was just looking at that
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[22:07] <Encrypt> And 13.3" isn't "that" large... :|
[22:08] <mason> Encrypt: https://imgur.com/a/ZuxPn
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[22:08] <mason> Proudly served by the-gods-know-what.
[22:08] <Encrypt> Nice :)
[22:08] <Encrypt> mason, Ah ah :P
[22:08] <Encrypt> mason, Knowing Imgur, probably unicorns
[22:09] <mason> Entirely possible.
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[22:10] <mason> Re: the i3wm, my big issue is that I really, really want 80-column terminals, and achieving that with a tiling window manager is really, really hard.
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[22:10] <mason> So I deal with a little overlap and my keyboard navigation raises as needed.
[22:11] <Encrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTFZ180rwo
[22:11] <Encrypt> 32"... :x
[22:11] <Encrypt> Need
[22:11] <mason> looks washed out as filmed
[22:11] <mason> and glossy?
[22:11] <Encrypt> mason, Why 80 columns exactly?
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[22:12] <mason> Encrypt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSoYCetG6A
[22:12] <Encrypt> x)
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[22:13] <Tenkawa> you know... copying sd cards is like watching paint dry
[22:13] <r3> Lol, tradition. yep.
[22:14] <mason> Tenkawa: You can always loop kill -USR1
[22:14] <r3> either 80 or 120 (IIRC) which were punch-card width
[22:14] <Tenkawa> even with compression tricks, etc, etc
[22:14] <Tenkawa> mason: I've got dynamic status output running
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[22:15] <CoJaBo> status=progress is epic, but half the systems I work with don't support it <_<
[22:15] <mason> I... I have xclock... in a corner.
[22:15] <mason> Oh, dd status.
[22:15] <mason> If we did it right, Linux would support ^T.
[22:15] <Tenkawa> CoJaBo: yeah using it however that only breaks some of the monotonony
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[22:18] <shauno> I stopped using -USR1 for dd, because I kept forgetting bsd's dd doesn't take it, and just exits like a sigterm
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[22:20] <r3> ddrescue > dd !! I love it
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[22:21] <r3> the package you want is gddrescue
[22:21] <r3> not the other one
[22:21] <mason> shauno: Yar, BSD wants SIGINFO if you're not using ^T
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[22:25] <shauno> this I didn't know!
[22:25] <r3> I just don't even bother with dd anymore. I just install that and keep it on my "toolkit" USB, it is just head and shoulders better for doing the stuff I once did with dd
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