#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-03-16

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[1:59] <Jagrophess> what's a better power supply for a pi 3b+ 5v 2.5A or 5.25v 2.4A?
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[2:02] <clickboom> i doubt it would make a significant difference. performance may even differ from the specs at that level of detail.
[2:03] <greenywd> guess what came :D
[2:06] <Jagrophess> clickboom I have been using a nespi case and having some.power issues would the 5.25v source make a difference you think?
[2:06] <Jagrophess> my current is 5v
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[2:19] <clickboom> Jagrophess: how cheap is your current power supply? cheaper units often don't match specs i hear. your power supply is 2.5 amps too?
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[2:25] <Jagrophess> clickboom I have a canakit 2.5 amp 5v right now
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[2:30] <clickboom> that's what i use. are you sure it's power supply issues? i doubt changing that power supply would make a difference. that comes with a cord to. does your cord/charger/pi have lots of wear?
[2:31] <Jagrophess> no its ever since I put it in the nespi case
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[2:39] <clickboom> if you take it out of the case, do the problems go away?
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[2:46] <Jagrophess> yeah I never got the lightning bolt outside the case. I just bought a 3b+ tho from canakit again and its the same power supply as with the pi 3b and noticed on buypi theirs is 5.25v 2.4A
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[2:56] <clickboom> if youre that into it, you might test performance vs. specs with a multimeter. it seems like overkill to me for such a small difference, but i could be wrong.
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[3:01] <Jagrophess> lol ya I just want to make sure I'll get the best performance from the new pi I jist thought it was odd there's this discrepancy between the two canadian suppliers
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[3:03] <Hitechcg> probably 2.5A is best
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[3:04] <Hitechcg> I'd be suspicious of anything that says 5.25V because the USB standard is supposed to only give 5V
[3:05] <Hitechcg> also, the Raspberry Pi has a voltage regulator, so I think any higher voltages would just get regulated down to 5V anyways
[3:06] <Hitechcg> Jagrophess: ^
[3:06] <clickboom> gotta go-good luck.
[3:06] <Hitechcg> also watch out for crappy cables if your power supply doesn't have one built-in
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[3:07] <Hitechcg> even with the best power supply you can get undervolt warnings if your cable is trash
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[3:08] <stiv> https://www.adafruit.com/product/501 2nd paragraph: This adapter was specifically designed to provide 5.25V not 5V, ...
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[3:11] <stiltr> I'm pretty sure the only reason to have 5.25V is so that when voltage sags under current spikes, it never dips below 5V. Check the test points on the Pi w/ a voltmeter.
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[3:20] <Jagrophess> ok well hopefully this canakit one is actually the same voltage as the buypi one it just says 5v
[3:22] <stiltr> I've had good luck with the canakit ones.
[3:22] <Jagrophess> thanks Hitechcg but my cable is fine its just cause my nespi case draws voltage that the pi is under sometimes.
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[3:24] <stiltr> Do you have a fan in your case?
[3:25] <Jagrophess> stiltr me too up until the nespi lol
[3:26] <Jagrophess> no fan, and it doesn't happen all the time but often enough and I never saw it till this case
[3:26] <stiltr> Might be a defective PCB in the case. I've never used one myself.
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[3:27] <Jagrophess> just the 3b+ I just bought comes with the exact same power supply so ill have the same issues possibly
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[3:28] <stiltr> from http://retroflag.com/ : Warning! Beware of fake NESPi Case. Fake NESPi Case cmore easy to cause low voltage warnings, that can actually damage the SD card.
[3:28] <Jagrophess> stiltr I've read other people saying they've had it too so I don't think its defective just a design flaw I guess
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[3:29] <stiltr> Could be that too. haha
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[3:32] <Jagrophess> wtf? lol hold on I'm gonna open it and check. everything on the outside looks right tho
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[3:37] <Jagrophess> stiltr nah, everything looks legit
[3:37] <kuri0> Does the new Pi 3 Model B+ use the same CPU as the Pi 3 Model B ?
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[3:40] <stiltr> Jagrophess: Well that's good at least.
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[3:42] <stiltr> kuri0: From raspberrypi.org "The new product is built around BCM2837B0, an updated version of the 64-bit Broadcom application processor used in Raspberry Pi 3B..."
[3:42] <Hitechcg> kuri0: same CPU, yes, but the chip is a bit different
[3:43] <Jagrophess> ya, its just a shame the pi isn't getting full power. still love the case.
[3:43] <Hitechcg> still VideoCore4 and quad Cortex-A53 cores
[3:43] <kuri0> if its the same cpu how did they overclock it to 1.4ghz ?
[3:43] <kuri0> with a tiny heatsink
[3:44] <Hitechcg> apparently they improved a bunch of power management stuff in the silicon
[3:44] <Jagrophess> ya so I just thought maybe 5.25v may be better for the new b+ I really don't know
[3:44] <Jagrophess> buypi seems to think so
[3:45] <Hitechcg> 5.25V is probably going to be just as good as 5V if you have a good cable
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[3:45] <kuri0> would the new pi 3b+ work with a 1.0a power ?
[3:45] <stiltr> Jagrophess: Could be. Seems odd that a usb hub would pull a significant ammount of power
[3:46] <Hitechcg> kuri0: nope, or at least not very well
[3:47] <Hitechcg> you really need at least 2A and probably should get at least 2.5A
[3:47] <kuri0> 3b works with 1.0a
[3:47] <kuri0> even at max load
[3:47] <stiltr> It depends on if you need to power usb devices and wireless chips.
[3:47] <Hitechcg> idk maybe you have a good power supply
[3:47] <kuri0> i'm using wifi
[3:47] <kuri0> no usb devices
[3:47] <Hitechcg> but with a crappy supplu you're going to face throttling and SD corruption
[3:48] <kuri0> its a samsung charger
[3:48] <kuri0> 1.0a
[3:49] <Hitechcg> maybe it's actually capable of over 1.0a or maybe you just got lucky
[3:49] <stiltr> https://www.pidramble.com/wiki/benchmarks/power-consumption
[3:50] <stiltr> So <1A seems reasonable with no usb.
[3:50] <Jekotia> Anyone know if the "Desktop Pi" http://canada.newark.com/element14/pi-desktop/product-range/dp/05AC3756 msata has good performance? Just want an alternative to the PiDrive for the actual root fs, getting fed up with microsd card issues
[3:50] <kuri0> does the 3b+ support usb gadget mode ?
[3:50] <Hitechcg> oh, guess maybe it is fine after all
[3:51] <Hitechcg> kuri0: no
[3:51] <Hitechcg> only the devices without a USB hub support gadget mode (Compute Modules, Pi 0s, or Model As)
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[3:52] <stiltr> Jekotia: No idea. Probably depends on how well they did writing the msata driver using the GPIO pins.
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[3:54] <kuri0> stiltr, does gpio even have enough bandwidth for a sata drive ?
[3:54] <Hitechcg> Jekotia: what microSD issues?
[3:54] <Hitechcg> all my issues in the past have been caused by either crappy cards or crappy power supplies/cables
[3:55] <Hitechcg> since switching to a decent power supply and a Samsung EVO 64GB card I've had no issues
[3:55] <kuri0> increase the sdcard speed if you have a uhs card
[3:55] <stiltr> kuri0: I'd be skeptical, but it also depends on how wide of a bus they use.
[3:55] <Jekotia> Hitechcg: I've had corruption on the card without power loss. The SD card is a Samsung Evo 64gb, the PSU is a 2A USB charger from a Galaxy Tab, the cable is from Anker
[3:56] <kuri0> stiltr, how does it boot directly from the ssd ? do they use an sd card to boot from the ssd ?
[3:56] <kuri0> wierd
[3:56] <Hitechcg> kuri0: new Raspberry Pis support USB boot in the boot code
[3:56] <Jekotia> kuri0: I think so, as the kit includes a 4gb SD card
[3:56] <stiltr> kuri0: I'm not sure. That would be my guess
[3:57] <Jekotia> Hitechcg: USB boot. Not necessairly GPIO mSATA boot
[3:57] <kuri0> Hitechcg, but this connects via gpio
[3:57] <Hitechcg> oh, idk then
[3:57] * Jekotia wishes he know of the PiDrive before production ended
[3:58] <Jekotia> *knew
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[3:58] <stiltr> Oh, they stopped making them? I guess I should come out from under my rock more often.
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[3:59] <Jekotia> In 2016 IIRC
[3:59] <stiltr> Huh.
[3:59] <Jekotia> They shut down that entire division
[3:59] <Jekotia> (of WD)
[3:59] <stiltr> Bummer
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[4:01] * Jekotia just remembered he has an enterprise class 320GB 2.5" drive at work, brand new, that's likely NEVER going to get used because his boss irrationally hates that formfactor. Hopes he can test that with a pi and maybe keep it
[4:03] <stiltr> Jekotia: Good luck!
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[4:09] <kuri0> https://twitter.com/carlosmatos80
[4:09] <kuri0> funny
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[4:29] <Jagrophess> well I just got my confirmation email from canakit my 3b+ just shipped with the 5v 2.5A power supply so wish me luck :p
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[4:40] <mason> Cool. I'm picking up a 5v/2.5a in person tomorrow.
[4:40] <mason> My 3b and case arrived today.
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[5:21] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[5:22] <ShapeShifter499> can I connect multiple raspberry pi zeros directly with GPIO?
[5:22] <ShapeShifter499> would it be as fast as usb to usb?
[5:22] <ShapeShifter499> or faster?
[5:23] <ShapeShifter499> I have a zero w and I wanted to share the internet that the zero w gets with the other non-wireless zeros through gpio
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[5:37] <stiltr> I doubt you'd have much luck with anything other than UART without doing a _lot_ of work.
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[5:42] <ShapeShifter499> stiltr: I did read about this https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/share-internet-to-the-raspberry-pi-zero/ But I don't know what the speed might be
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[5:52] <stiltr> I think you'd be looking at about 1mbps if I did my math right. Potentially up to 15 mbps if you maxed out the settings rather than what they use.
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[5:52] <stiltr> Neat, I didn't know you could use ppp over uart.
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[5:55] <ShapeShifter499> stiltr: seems to be limited to only two gpio pins though
[5:56] <ShapeShifter499> so just two pi zeros being connected
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[6:00] <stiltr> Ya, since the other uart is for wifi/bt, you can only connect one with this method.
[6:01] <ShapeShifter499> stiltr: I have two standard zeros without any internet or wifi.
[6:02] <ShapeShifter499> I was trying to find away to link them altogether without the use of the micro usb port or any sort of otg cable
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[6:22] <red9> ShapeShifter499, Maybe you can (ab)use the SPI-I/O ?
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[6:52] <ShapeShifter499> red9: sounds like it's beyond my current knowledge
[6:53] <ShapeShifter499> I roughly understand the GPIO pins but I don't know how to make use of each pin exactly. TX and RX is about my limit
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[6:56] <red9> according to stty info the max bitrate ought to be 4 Mbit/s. Should be enough?
[6:56] <red9> (for UART-PPP setup)
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[6:56] <red9> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=73673
[6:57] <red9> "Apparently uart_clock can go as high as 100Mhz, so 25Mbaud is theoretically possible with modifications to bits/termios.h and stty"
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[6:57] <red9> So 25 Mbit/s max then.
[6:57] <ShapeShifter499> ooo
[6:58] <ShapeShifter499> well let me explain a bit more of what I was planning, maybe I'm going about it all wrong. I wanted to run nextcloud but to help offset the ram and processing, I was planning on running the other bits on different pis
[6:59] <ShapeShifter499> web server on one, point the database mysql to the other pi, etc.
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[7:01] <red9> ShapeShifter499, Why not get a real server?
[7:03] <stiltr> Or at least bump up to a Pi w/ onboard Ethernet.
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[7:05] <ShapeShifter499> red9: stiltr I don't have the money right now. I was in the process of setting up a older laptop that I had stupidly put 12gb of ram into when I first brought it as a server. But it is overheating and I don't know what to do to keep it cool without the sounds of fans whirring. Besides my daily driver laptop I use now, I have 3 working pi zeros, one of them being zero w
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[7:06] <ShapeShifter499> the laptop server *seemed* like it was working but something is tripping thermal shutdown at 60C
[7:07] <ShapeShifter499> current laptop is incompatible with the 12gb of ram, so that ram is going to waste
[7:17] <red9> ShapeShifter499, Any photo of the "can't go above 60 'C" laptop? (does it have a name?)
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[7:20] <stiltr> ShapeShifter499: Maybe try an SPI to UART chip? Or a USB to UART? Past something like that I'm drawing a blank with the current hardware besides bitbanging an additional UART.
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[7:41] <ShapeShifter499> sorry lost connection
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[8:42] <kevr> hello.
[8:42] <kevr> can the rpi3 wifi chipset host ap?
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[9:25] <dan2wik> kevr, yes
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[9:34] <Kira> I kinda regret having ordered RPi 3's two weeks ago, :P
[9:35] <greenywd> hehe
[9:36] <greenywd> my new pi is up and running
[9:36] <Kira> Meh, maybe next time I'll finally order an odroid or something beefier.
[9:36] <greenywd> i wonder how fast it can compile python!
[9:36] <Kira> greenywd: which board?
[9:37] <greenywd> pi3b+
[9:37] <Kira> Depends on your options.
[9:37] <greenywd> haha yeah
[9:37] <Kira> I've tried '--enable-optimizations --with-lto'
[9:37] <greenywd> it was sorta a joke cause compiling it on my pi0 took a few hours
[9:37] <Kira> it literally took overnight to compile Python 3.6
[9:38] <Kira> I don't undertand why the start-up time of Python 3.6 is so horrible on the RPi 3.
[9:38] <greenywd> oof
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[9:38] <Kira> even with --enable-optimizations
[9:38] <greenywd> i've never noticed any startup time issues but i'll compile it on here after tmux and see how it goes
[9:41] <greenywd> aaaaaa i gotta get my tmux config from my work server
[9:41] <BurtyB> kevr, tho if you need to bridge eth0/wlan0 it looks like it won't atm with a pi3+ :/
[9:41] <greenywd> shoulda timed tmux but it only took a minute or two
[9:42] <Kira> Is it normal that eMMC modules are like, f*cking expensive?
[9:45] <cyanide> depends
[9:45] <cyanide> more expensive than sd cards, yes
[9:46] <Kira> Are they supposed to come in a standard, snap-on physical connector?
[9:46] <Kira> Like this one: https://dn.odroid.com/homebackup/eMMCXU4Linux.jpg
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[9:46] <Kira> I have never seen an eMMC module myself.
[9:47] <Kira> I don't even think I can find them at like SSP in Hong Kong.
[9:48] <mfa298> Kira: I think the standard packaging for an eMMC module is in the form of a chip. Having it mounted on a board like that will be a specific customisation.
[9:48] <mfa298> in that case a customisation for hardkernel
[9:48] <Kira> ah
[9:48] <Kira> no wonder they sell it for so much more expensive than microSD cards.
[9:49] <Kira> And no wonder I have never seen them at SSP.
[9:49] <Kira> Basically not consumer parts.
[9:49] <mfa298> the bare chips are probably much cheaper if you buy in bulk, they're designed for the likes of mobile phone/ tablet manufacturers for the internal storage
[9:50] <Kira> I see.
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[9:52] <cyanide> if you have the specs and can solder bga boards, you can buy emmc chips directly
[9:52] <cyanide> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-NAND-Flash-Memory-EMMC-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-2-P5110/32825680653.html
[9:54] <Kira> Are there people who make eMMC adapters where they just press the module hard on a contact pin array, connected to a micros SD interface or something?
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[9:55] <Kira> oh wow: https://www.ebay.com/itm/eMMC153-169-Reader-test-socket-SD-BGA153-169-IC-Size-11-5x13mm-Data-Recovery/152151938830?hash=item236cf6570e:g:qUgAAOSwRQlXdyJD
[9:55] <Kira> Looks like that's a thing
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[9:57] <cyanide> a cheaper alternative https://hackaday.io/page/2827-emmc-to-sd-card-adapter
[9:58] <cyanide> ofc without the bga breakout lol
[9:58] <Kira> heh
[9:59] <cyanide> you could probably do some sort of a pogo pin setup if you just need a hacky diy solution
[10:01] <cyanide> i had a question.
[10:01] <cyanide> what kind of hardware do i need to overlay text/data on video frames?
[10:01] <Kira> That one still requires soldering, using hot air or reflow oven, right?
[10:01] <Kira> cyanide: in real time?
[10:01] <cyanide> like i input each frame and the data to be overlaid and it outputs the frame with the data on it
[10:01] <cyanide> yes
[10:02] <cyanide> i just need to be pointed in the right direction as ive never worked with video/cameras before
[10:02] <Kira> That will depend on a few factors.
[10:02] <Kira> The resolution, the colour space, and the codec.
[10:04] <Kira> The raspberry pi 3 should be able to handle encoding yuv420 as H.264 in at 30 fps, assuming something like 1920 x 1080, using the OMX-accelerated gstreamer plugin.
[10:05] <Kira> But you probably also need to make a compromise with the video quality.
[10:05] <cyanide> so lets say im building a camera for an fpv drone, i can have the camera record the video, the pi overlay things like speed/bank angles/etc and then stream that via whatever wireless transmission method i use?
[10:06] <cyanide> or is the pi3 not powerful enough for it?
[10:06] <iKarith> I worry about the speed of writing it to storage on a Pi 3 if the machine is doing much anything else.
[10:07] <Kira> iKarith: well, if cyanide is going to stream it, there's no point in writing it to storage.
[10:07] <cyanide> yeah
[10:07] <iKarith> Fair enough
[10:08] <Kira> cyanide: it also depends on the camera you use.
[10:08] <inook> can someone guide me with sense_hat commands with python?
[10:08] <cyanide> if i wanted a hardware solution instead of a pi, what should i search for?
[10:09] <Kira> Are you using the camera v2 module?
[10:09] <Kira> you could attach a webcam to the raspberry pi instead.
[10:09] <Kira> Some webcams readily return video pre-encoded as H.264
[10:09] <cyanide> i haven't purchased anything yet, still to make up my mind. if i can do with a single chip and a camera and a teensy or another micro, it'll save a lot of weight
[10:09] <Kira> And then you only worry about overlaying the text, maybe as subtitles
[10:10] <Kira> which is a lot less computationally expensive.
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> cyanide: why overlay on the drone
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> why not transmit the video and the metadata
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> also, this is a solved problem
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> there's heaps of off the shelf drone solutions
[10:11] <cyanide> can you give an example?
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[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> nothing more than google can, but I know it's bee done
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[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> http://ardupilot.org/
[10:15] <cyanide> thanks
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[10:20] <inook> i want to run diffrent commands depending on whick joystick event is triggerd on sense_hat please help me
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[10:36] <mfa298> cyanide: for doing clever video stuff on the Pi also look at ffmpeg - I've not played with it in a while but that might manage to do overlays on the Pi
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[10:40] <Kira> mfa298: ffmpeg is probably too slow though, unless it has OMX-accelerated codecs.
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[10:40] <Kira> Whereas we *know* for a fact that there are OMX-accelerated gstreamer plug-ins.
[10:41] <waveform> inook, there's a couple of examples in the sense hat emulator (joystick_events and joystick_loop) which demonstrate looping over events (with get_events) and assigning event handlers (direction_up etc.)
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[10:42] <inook> waveform thx for giving me something to go on :)
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[10:50] <inook> this code adds 2 value to variable when it supposed to add only 1. why is so??? https://pastebin.com/YAdvJ230
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[10:56] <ali1234> cyanide: i have code which does exactly what you need
[10:57] <red9> stiltr, If you still read. You may try to make one Pi to setup as a USB *device* and then use USB-USB transfers. Another one is to cross-connect SPI interfaces (500 kByte/s transfers?), and the third option is up to 4 Mbit/s line speed in conjuction with PPP. So what you ain't got in money you can compensate with some programming.
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[10:57] <ali1234> cyanide: it uses gstreamer and overlays sensor data on the video, and then streams it over rtsp
[10:57] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/piroverd/blob/master/main.cpp
[10:58] <ali1234> i was thinking of using title subtitle stream instead, but i never implemented it
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[11:13] <inook> why does it takes 2 "countdown rounds" to stop countdown? https://pastebin.com/6jCv6bTn
[11:15] <mfa298> Kira: there appeared to be raspi specific optimizations last time I looked at compiling ffmpeg (probably a year or more ago) - same as I think vlc has some raspi optimisations if you compile that manually
[11:16] <waveform> inook, there are three types of events ("actions") associated with the joystick: pressed, released, and held. If you're pressing and releasing the joystick direction that generates *two* events
[11:17] <waveform> hence why it's adding two; if you hold in a particular direction you'll generate lots of events (an inital "pressed" then a whole bunch of "held" events and eventually "released" when you let go)
[11:18] <Kira> mfa298: this, apparently: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hardware-h264-video-encoding-with-libav-openmax-il/4997/6
[11:18] <Kira> ./configure --enable-static --enable-omx-rpi --enable-mmal
[11:18] <Kira> that's libav though, not sure about ffmpeg proper.
[11:20] <Kira> Looks like ffmpeg proper has it now as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/5677qw/hardware_accelerated_x264_encoding_with_ffmpeg/
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[11:26] <mfa298> Kira: aiui in most cases ffmpeg is well ahead of libav (I think libav was a fork off from ffmpeg that got some traction in the debian/ubuntu world and then died whilst ffmpeg has continued to improve and grow)
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[12:16] <phinxy> What format is Libreelec's img files that they distribute at their download page?
[12:16] <phinxy> I can find a root filesystem on it. Is this expanded on the first boot?
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> try running the 'file' command on the img file - I'd be surprised if it wasn't a disk/sd image - ie. starting with a partition table with the first partition being FAT so that the GPU can boot it in a Pi.
[12:19] <waveform> phinxy, it's a straight disk image but you're correct that there's a secondary file-system that gets unpacked on first boot
[12:19] <JimBuntu> gordonDrogon, phinxy - From what I see, it's a 'standard' SD Card image, at least for the Pi2 & Pi3
[12:19] <waveform> there's a big file called "SYSTEM" in the boot partition that gets unpacked after the secondary partition is expanded to the SD size
[12:20] <waveform> (can't remember what format the packed file is - just a sec)
[12:20] <waveform> (it's probably another image of some sort ... just mount an image to take a look)
[12:20] <waveform> *mounting
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[12:21] <waveform> ah, SYSTEM is a squashfs image
[12:21] <JimBuntu> squashfs is very common for this kind of task
[12:21] <waveform> yup - guessed it'd probably be something like that
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[12:22] <JimBuntu> phinxy, Is there a deeper question around this... such as "how can I extract the filesystem(s), mount them, make changes, get them back to the right state and back into an image I can use to create customized SD Cards"?
[12:23] <phinxy> Im about to unsquashfs that SYSTEM directory
[12:24] <phinxy> I dont want to tuck in some changes to the raspberry image
[12:24] <phinxy> Booting from the network is what I want!
[12:25] <waveform> in that case, you may be better off running the image on an actual Pi (to let it unpack itself and do any extra setup it wants) then copy that SD card onto your server
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[12:26] <phinxy> True but thats a lot of extra work
[12:27] <phinxy> Or perhaps not
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[12:31] <waveform> not *that* much - it's how I played with that on my network largely because I didn't want to dig into exactly what they were doing on boot-up, so I got it working the way I wanted on an SD card (including all the mysql setup and so on), then just mounted that on my laptop and rsync'd the file-systems over to the server
[12:31] <waveform> (ultimately went back to SD cards when I realized the original Pi1 doesn't like netbooting - several of my kodi boxes are ancient Pi1s :)
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[12:43] <shbrngdo> that's what I do - get a bootable image, fix it the way you want, then power down the RPi, mount the SD card onto a Linux or BSD system, and use 'dd' to clone an image of the SD card. It's a nice way to back up as well.
[12:44] <shbrngdo> and if you mount the file systems on the SD card, you can tweek the individual files as you see fit. do the backup image first, though, just in case.
[12:44] <JimBuntu> shbrngdo, I would also zero-fill my empty space, if making an image via 'dd'... so I could make sure to get a good compression ratio.
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[12:45] <shbrngdo> actually - use the dd command to copy partial blocks by extending them with zero bytes [I forget what param that is], and then use 'bs=1M' to speed up the copy process
[12:46] <JimBuntu> I fond block sizes that are larger better, on the machines I am using, I seem to recall it should be evenly divisible into the total size
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[12:52] <shbrngdo> found it - 'conf=noerror,sync' - that usually handles trailing blocks that aren't a full 1M in size [or whatever bs= uses]
[12:52] <shbrngdo> er, conv=noerror,sync
[12:54] <shbrngdo> anyway
[12:54] <shbrngdo> point is by specifying bs=1M the 'dd' process goes a LOT faster
[12:54] <JimBuntu> always good to know, especially considering how significant the time difference can be
[12:55] <shbrngdo> and you don't want to forget to use 'conv=noerror,sync' along with it, so the image isn't truncated
[12:55] <JimBuntu> shbrngdo, I am saying that using even higher bs's... I think I have went as far as 8MB, I see faster throughput than using smaller block sizes.
[12:56] <shbrngdo> not surprised. it would depend on the device, though, what its internal page size is and things like that
[12:56] <JimBuntu> I had to image several hundred micro sd's, so for that machine/hardware I ran tests to find the best one, saved me a lot of time.
[12:56] <shbrngdo> I bet it did
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[13:41] <cyanide> ali1234, thanks!
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[14:22] <red9> Pi zero attached to 2.5" drive.. http://www.howtoptec.com/2016/12/wd-pidrive-special-hard-drive-raspberry.html
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[14:26] <Habbie> cute
[14:27] <red9> Looks like the drive have some USB interface as-is. Weird. And hopefully not a future trend. USB sucks.
[14:27] <Habbie> well, this drive is targeted at the pi
[14:27] <Habbie> $35 including the drive is a neat deal
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[14:29] <red9> 375 GB for $35 ?
[14:30] <mason> Oh, that's nice pricing for that.
[14:30] <mason> Late 2016. Even nicer pricing then.
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[14:32] <red9> Seems to be spinning rust not SSD. But a networked drive seems nice. Better go with a Pi + Ethernet.
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[14:34] <leftyfb> https://www.wdc.com/products/wdlabs/wd-pidrive-berryboot-edition-1tb.html
[14:34] <leftyfb> 1TB for $60
[14:35] <leftyfb> looks like none of them actually power from the pi though. It shares the power from the usb power cable that gets passed through to the pi
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> have you guys gone through a time warp or something? This is the Pi Drive - like 2 years ago.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/meet-314gb-pidrive/
[14:44] <phinxy> What needs to be done to get a serial consone at UART on a Rpi3? I've added enable_uart at the bottom of config.txt as well as console=serial0,115200 to cmdline.txt. The files were in sdcard first partition root
[14:46] <BurtyB> phinxy, just add "enable_uart=1" to config.txt and it works
[14:46] <phinxy> minicom -b 115200 -D /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> phinxy, have you got a usb device connected to the Pi?
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> phinxy, because if-not, then that won't work.
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[14:48] <phinxy> gordonDrogon• yeah tx to rx and rx to tx with gnd.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> ok - so using a usb serial device to test the Pi's hardware serial port?
[14:48] <phinxy> last week i connected to another singleboard computer with the rpi header
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> if you are connecting a usb serial to the Pi bear in-mind that most usb serial devices are 5v and the Pi is 3.3v ...
[14:49] <phinxy> double checked - its 3.3
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:50] <phinxy> Could Libreelec be a special case?
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[14:52] <BurtyB> phinxy, probably
[14:53] <phinxy> The root filsystem, is that in the SYSTEM file on the sdcard?
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[14:54] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: I knew about it when it came out. Not sure I recall a 1TB version though. And also didn't look at the cabling too much and realize the pi wasn't actually powering the drive
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[15:18] <mfa298> leftyfb: 1TB version came out around 2 years ago as well, they could be powered via the Pi given decent cables and PSU (I've got a 1TB version and have run it that way)
[15:18] <leftyfb> interesting
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[15:47] <inook> can someone help me write code so the sense_hats joystick buttons runs diffrent code depending on whick button is pressed???
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[15:56] <waveform> inook, which bit are you having trouble with? the code you linked earlier (https://pastebin.com/YAdvJ230) was clearly doing different things based on direction
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[15:58] <inook> waveform it wasnt a good solution aso i gave it up
[15:58] <waveform> what wasn't "good" about it?
[15:59] <inook> waveform it ran the buttooncode twice cuz of /press/release and i coukld not find a solution for that
[15:59] <waveform> just filter on event.action
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[16:00] <inook> .umm dont know how to do that dont even know what u mean..
[16:01] <waveform> the action attribute of the event ("x" in your code) will be "pressed", "released" or "held" so if you're only interested in "pressed" events, add an "if" statement to filter on that
[16:02] <waveform> just like you've got "if" statements filtering on the direction attribute (if x.direction == "up") you can filter on action too (if x.action == "pressed")
[16:02] <waveform> or combine them (if x.action == "pressed" and x.direction == "up")
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[16:05] <inook> waveform if x.action == "pressed"
[16:05] <inook> ^
[16:05] <inook> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[16:05] <waveform> you need a : on the end
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[16:21] <red9> gordonDrogon, http://wiringpi.com/wiringpi-updated-for-the-pi-v3plus/ - Spelling error "full detals!)"
[16:21] <red9> gordonDrogon, Maybe you could test the WiFi quickly in the same way as the Ethernet interface? Those figures would be interesting.
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[16:28] <standAlone_> hey,does the following text means I'm on deluge or still on stretch:
[16:28] <standAlone_> root@raspberrypi:/etc/apt# apt-get install deluged
[16:28] <standAlone_> Reading package lists... Done
[16:28] <standAlone_> Building dependency tree
[16:28] <standAlone_> Reading state information... Done
[16:28] <standAlone_> deluged is already the newest version (1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-3).
[16:28] <standAlone_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 858 not upgraded.
[16:28] <standAlone_> root@raspberrypi:/etc/apt# lsb_release -a
[16:28] <standAlone_> No LSB modules are available.
[16:28] <standAlone_> Distributor ID: Raspbian
[16:28] <standAlone_> Description: Raspbian GNU/Linux 9.1 (stretch)
[16:28] <standAlone_> Release: 9.1
[16:29] <standAlone_> real noob question
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[16:30] <inook> If i import a script into my script does the imported code run?
[16:30] <inook> or do i need to triggwe it somehow
[16:31] <waveform> standAlone_, you're on strretch - deluged is just a package you've already got installed
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[16:32] <waveform> inook, "import" in Python runs the imported script so there's no need to trigger it
[16:32] <bioa10> Hello
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[16:33] <bioa10> I have a few questions if anyone is able to help
[16:34] <waveform> ask away
[16:35] <stiv> inook, a bad design practice to execute code. be aware that if import done a 2nd time, it doesn't run
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[16:39] <bioa10> So, for a class project we are using several Pis together to share several tasks. We were wondering if it would be possible to wire 2-4 Pis together inside of a normal small PC case for portability and cooling
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[16:39] <Habbie> bioa10, i can't see why not
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[16:39] <standAlone_> waveform thanks, seems I need to get the latest debian version on my raspberry pi3, do you know where I can find a tutorial
[16:39] <Habbie> inook, .py files should always be written such that they do NOT run on import
[16:40] <waveform> standAlone_, stretch is the latest raspbian version available
[16:40] <Habbie> standAlone_, cat /etc/debian_version
[16:40] <waveform> however you've got a lot of "not upgraded" packages there
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[16:40] <waveform> you might want to try "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[16:40] <Habbie> oh 9.1
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[16:42] <standAlone_> waveform, one software might need me to use testing version
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[16:42] <waveform> ahh ... let me take a wild guess: you've activated testing as a source and now it wants to upgrade *everything* ...
[16:43] <waveform> (which would explain the obscenely large number of "not upgraded" packages)
[16:44] <standAlone_> waveform, I'm trying to install freedombox on my raspbian, it need testing debian version to update to latest freedombox version
[16:45] <standAlone_> as I was told by their dev
[16:45] <bioa10> Habbie, would it be hard to do? Also anything I should keep in mind when choosing a case?
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[16:45] <standAlone_> I'm not sure I should try buster or sid
[16:45] <Habbie> bioa10, i'm not much of an expert on hardware projects
[16:46] <waveform> standAlone_, not a great idea - you really want to stick with stretch and use version pinning to upgrade a single package
[16:46] <waveform> (whatever you do, *don't* upgrade everything to testing - it'll likely break various things on your install)
[16:46] <CryptoSiD> I'm running my rasp on buster, no issues
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[16:47] <CryptoSiD> running this: https://github.com/bamarni/pi64
[16:47] <bioa10> Also, how do pi clusters work? I tried looking into it but most of what I find is just how to build them and not how to use them or what the benefits are
[16:47] <standAlone_> waveform, I run my pi only to install freedombox, so I will take risk here :)
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[16:48] <bioa10> We want to run a fork of Kodi but are worried about it being slow, so we were wondering if a pi cluster would improve it at all
[16:49] <inook> if len(s) > 1:
[16:49] <inook> TypeError: object of type 'int' has no len()
[16:49] <inook> what does that error mean?
[16:49] <waveform> inook, it means "s" is an integer, and integers don't have a length
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[16:51] <waveform> standAlone_, not exactly: you run lots of things on your pi of which freedombox is the "top" thing you presumably want to use - but upgrading to testing means upgraded *everything* including potentially all the stuff that freedombox depends on. Going bleeding edge can be quite painful, but if you're willing to deal with it ... :)
[16:51] <standAlone_> CryptoSiD, what's pi64? what does it has to do with buster?
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[16:53] <bioa10> Also, has anyone used Recalbox or OSMC?
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[16:53] <standAlone_> waveform, thanks for the heads up, I'll ask their dev to make sure
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> red9, I positively hate people who point out slepping errors.
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> red9, and if you want the wi-fi benchmarked - well look it up for yourself. Several benchmarks have been published and I'm not running after your every whim.
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> red9, or better yet, buy a 3+ and try it!
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[16:59] <inook> how do i make a python script always run(if stopped it restarts) so its always running
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> inook, you write a 2nd program that calls your python script, and re-runs it if it returns (ie. the python exited)
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> then you write a 3rd that checks the 2nd, and so on ... ;-)
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[17:05] <Giant81> \0
[17:05] <inook> how about Autorun A Python Script On Boot Using systemd? gordonDrogon
[17:06] <stiv> it's turtles all the way down!
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> inook, can't help you there, sorry. I don't use systemd.
[17:06] <inook> ok but gooogle says thats an solution
[17:07] <inook> so i hope thats correct
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> in my non-systemd world, I'd make sure that the program did what it was supposed to do and not exit - if it exited, there there would be a bug that needed fixing.
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> alternatively, depending on the program, if it just had to do something then wait, I'd arrange it to run then exit, then be run periodically from crom.
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> *cron.
[17:08] <Giant81> other than getting a raspi and installing to the hardware, is there an easy way to run a virtual machine or raspbian? has anyone made a qemu image I can download?
[17:08] <shiftplusone> inook: yes, if you create a proper service for it, you can set a condition that tells it when to restart (if at all)
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[17:08] <Giant81> I want ted to tinker around with some setups before I got hte hardware in the mail
[17:09] <shiftplusone> Giant81: it's not worth it. It's not different enough to a standard linux system and the bits which are different won't be available in qemu.
[17:09] <Giant81> ok so just run a debian image on X86 to tinker?
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> Give this a go http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/rpd_x86/images/rpd_x86-2017-12-01/2017-11-16-rpd-x86-stretch.iso
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[17:10] <Giant81> not looking at anything super weird, just wanted to auto login, auto start a web browser, and auto login to that page... it was really just the auto page login I wanted to test, everything else seems pretty straight forward and well documented
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> Giant81, qemu - just over 6 years ago
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[17:10] <Giant81> goign to get a pi zero W, then velcro it to the back of the TV at the fire house to display iamresponding
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> Giant81, there are cases with VESA mounts on them - might make it a little more secure :)
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[17:13] <stiv> hot glue for the win!
[17:13] <Giant81> I Was thinking just some 3M command strip velcro on the back of the TV, but I'll look into it
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[17:13] <Giant81> I eman it weighs about nothing. power it off the USB on the TV, short HDMI cable, just VNC to it to manage it from my laptop
[17:15] <Giant81> I know the Pi zero's are small, but I'm guessing displaying and refreshing a webpage should be simple enough. Are there limits to what kind of content I'm going to be able to display? Like does it display Java stuff fine? are there web technologies that really slow it down? like are some flash pages ok? or are they going to be too CPU intensive?
[17:15] <Giant81> sorry, for teh questions, I'm a complete noob
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> watch out for the TV's USB power - it will go off when you turn the TV off.
[17:16] <Giant81> TV stays on 24/7
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> it's better if you can "properly" shutdown down a Pi whenever possible.
[17:16] <HighInBC> I use the "picture off" button instead of turning my TV off
[17:16] <HighInBC> that way it turns on instantly
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> my TV keeps USB power on after you turn the TV off... for 30 seconds.
[17:16] <HighInBC> it uses power even if you use the "off" so why not
[17:16] <Giant81> yeah that brings in the question about autopowering back on after a power failure
[17:16] <shiftplusone> Giant81: if you're expecting flash to work well on a pi zero, you'll probably be dissapointed, especially if you want it to display video. There are proper digital signage distros which do these things properly.
[17:17] <HighInBC> gordonDrogon: neat feature, does it also send a CEC signal so you can do a graceful shutdown?
[17:17] <Giant81> shiftplusone: no video, just a static page with, I think, java on it
[17:17] <HighInBC> oh that would be HMDI
[17:17] <shiftplusone> Is java in a browser still a thing? I thought that died with ActiveX
[17:17] <Giant81> https://www.iamresponding.com/v3/Pages/Default.aspx is the site to be displayed
[17:18] <HighInBC> shiftplusone: I hope it died, such a bad idea
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> HighInBC, no idea. I use kodi which passes cec back to the Pi, but it doesn't power down when I power the TV off from the remote.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> java in a browser is still a thing, sadly.
[17:18] <HighInBC> it might be sending a signal but kodi ignores it
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen it run on a Pi though.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I use some remove IP KVM systems that use java in the browser to work.
[17:18] <HighInBC> I use my tv USB port for my pihole
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[17:19] <HighInBC> which bloccks youtube commercials and other nasties
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> once I found out about my TVs usb power, I powered the Pi off a separate PSU.
[17:19] <Giant81> currently it's being displayed using an old windows 7 laptop and it's terribe
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> I tend to not shutdown Pi's. Think I have 4 or 5 runnig here right now.
[17:20] <Giant81> besides the OS constantly restarting for updates, the browser restarting fo rupdates, and the browser just randomly crashing, it's a crap shoot if it's going to actually be displaying anything useful when we get a call
[17:20] <Giant81> so I figured a raspi (zero or otherwise) would be significantly more stable, lower power consumption, and take up less space.
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> how good a programmer are you?
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> to display simple banner stuff, it might be easier/faster to just write a program to do it...
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> 2-3 lines of BASIC ought to be enough.
[17:21] <HighInBC> BASIC!?
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[17:21] <Giant81> 10 goto new_language
[17:21] <HighInBC> I learned programming on BASIC, it took me over 10 years to unlearn the bad habits
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> I write (and get paid to write) BASIC programs.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> HighInBC, that's because you were not taught structured programming at that time.
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[17:22] <Giant81> could be worse, it could be COBOL
[17:22] <HighInBC> On my old Apple II there was not much in the way of flow control
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> I was taught BASIC by an previous Algol programmer.
[17:22] <HighInBC> no functions for example
[17:22] <HighInBC> gosub was the closest thing
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> HighInBC, actually, there are - def fn a(x) = x + 1
[17:22] <HighInBC> ya well there is that
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> and the apple was one of my first computers.
[17:23] <HighInBC> more modern basic at least has proper flow control
[17:23] <HighInBC> vic-20 was my first
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> I analysed a few old programs - some were very well written - within the contraints of the basic at the time (early 70's)
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb <-- is an example of my basic on a Pi.
[17:24] <HighInBC> hehe snake, a classic
[17:24] <HighInBC> right up there with hangman
[17:24] <stiv> whole lot of people cut their teeth on BASIC. and if you are doing fixed-length hierarchical records, COBOL is not a bad way to go. languages are written for a purpos
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> lets not forget that Microsoft and Apple are both founded on BASIC.
[17:25] <HighInBC> basic harkens from a day when computers did not have software, or very very little software
[17:25] <HighInBC> each person was expected to make their own
[17:25] <HighInBC> gordonDrogon: those are both awful companies
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> er, you might want to read/watch some of the early basic history.
[17:26] <HighInBC> yes that is something I would enjoy
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> there's lots online now - including a very good program, about an hour long I think featuring Kemeny etc.
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I watched a lot a couple of years back when BASIC turned 50.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> (1964-2014)
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install rtb ; rtb # and off you go :)
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> Kind of a neat solution to almost fully power off the pi without external hardware: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1286828#p1286828
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[18:06] <red9> shiftplusone, Maybe the "RUN" pin offers some power saving possibilities too?
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> red9, do you know what the run pin is for?
[18:09] <red9> yeah I remember, reset now. I just had some thought floating it were some clock inhibit function.
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[18:10] <red9> But then. If functionallity were defined in big datasheets as with normal devices instead of various forum posts. There would be less guess work and more fact usage.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> it's the reset pin.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> nothing more complicated than that.
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[18:28] <cizzop> Does anyone know where you can actually get a pi zero for $5? They say they are that price but I never actually see them at that price point
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[18:30] <Mutsumi> shipping kills prices
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[18:32] <shiftplusone> cizzop: in US where they don't pay VAT and import fees, you can walk into a microcenter and pick it up for $5
[18:32] <phinxy> Is there a way to to 'Server configuration' where they start chrooting on a remote x86 computer? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md
[18:32] <shiftplusone> elsewhere in the world, after tax and shipping, it ends up costing a bit more.
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[18:33] <phinxy> ie. dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server without having a console but only a filesystem
[18:33] <shiftplusone> phinxy: if I understood your question correctly, you can already do that
[18:33] <shiftplusone> copy in qemu-arm-static to the chroot and you can do it
[18:33] <cizzop> shiftplusone: Thank you. I actually live near a microcenter so that's perfect.
[18:34] <shiftplusone> cizzop: in that case I hope I have my information straight >.>
[18:34] <shiftplusone> phinxy: better yet, use systemd-nspawn instead of chroot and it will take care of mounting /proc, /dev, /sys and other things for you.
[18:34] <phinxy> shiftplusone• setting up a VM seems a bit overkill, perhaps its only a matter of changing openssh configuration files with a editor
[18:34] <shiftplusone> not a VM
[18:35] <shiftplusone> well, not a full system vm anyway. it's a usermode thing
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[18:35] <phinxy> https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation ?
[18:35] <shiftplusone> that's the one
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[18:38] <Rickta59> * wishes he lived near a microcenter
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[18:40] <phinxy> shiftplusone• seems to work but whats the binding stuff mentioned?
[18:40] <shiftplusone> phinxy: it's how the system knows to run ARM binaries through qemu-user
[18:41] <BurtyB> phinxy, qemu vs editing files depends what you're trying to do I guess
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[18:43] <phinxy> idk the tutorial does not seem to explain enough
[18:46] <BurtyB> phinxy, well if you just use the files from an image that hasn't been booted you won't need to delete the files or reconfigure openssh
[18:47] <phinxy> BurtyB• It has been booted and
[18:47] <phinxy> and.. 'ssh' was ticked on the UI
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[18:52] <phinxy> Running in chroot, ignoring request
[18:52] <phinxy> It popped up once but the second time it wouldnt
[18:53] <phinxy> Why am i trying to configure ssh
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[18:56] <Habbie> shiftplusone, phinxy, with a recent enough kernel and some specific flag in the binding stuff, the qemu-* binaries don't even need to be inside the chroot
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> wizardry
[18:56] <shiftplusone> how recent is recent enough?
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[19:06] <Greg-J> I made a thing!
[19:06] <Greg-J> https://i.imgur.com/Qnc9fGB.png
[19:06] <Greg-J> And in 2 days, it shall be done printing and ready to assemble.
[19:06] <Greg-J> Hopefully.
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[19:09] <shiftplusone> That is certainly a thing. Documented it anywhere?
[19:09] <pwillard> Thingiverse
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[19:23] <Greg-J> This was more of an "if I could" than an "if I should".
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[19:24] <Greg-J> It requires you remove a number of components off of a Raspberry Pi and dismantle a specific model of portable battery pack. It also requires a Teensy, a particular Sainsmart display, an old PS2 controller, and 3DS joysticks along with some Adafruit HDMI and button stuff.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I recommend you call it Bob.
[19:24] <Greg-J> Realistically, it would be dumb to try to reproduce it.
[19:25] <Greg-J> I have also made this thing, however: https://i.imgur.com/EcgK5wW.png
[19:25] <Greg-J> Which is worth documenting once the prints arrive from Shapeways.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> so it's got a CM in it ... what does it do?
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[19:26] <Greg-J> Custom PCB designed for the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3, dual 10,000mAh cells, uses GPIO for display so the HDMI port is free for the dock, and it is the form factor of a Nintendo Switch.
[19:27] <Greg-J> It' just a portable retropie meant to use joycons.
[19:27] <Greg-J> It doubles as a portable battery pack when it's powered off as well.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> seems like a fun project.
[19:29] <Greg-J> Aye. I had never designed a PCB so it was my go at it.
[19:29] <Greg-J> Way less intimidating than I expected.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> What software?
[19:30] <Greg-J> The CMIO schematics are available for download which helps a ton.
[19:30] * shiftplusone sharpens pitchfork just in case.
[19:30] <Greg-J> ALTIUM, although I've given KiCAD a go as well.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> ah okay
[19:30] * shiftplusone puts down the pitchfork.
[19:30] * BurtyB found kicad worse than eagle ;)
[19:30] <Greg-J> I have Eagle as well, which I don't know why so many people hate it because it's not THAT bad.
[19:30] <Greg-J> Yeah, I don't like KiCAD at all.
[19:31] <Greg-J> Altium is next leve.
[19:31] <Greg-J> level*
[19:31] <Greg-J> The KiCAD developers are stuck in 2005.
[19:32] <shiftplusone> Kicad has come a long way and is still improving... and it's open. It's probably a lot more of a pain if you've worked with other software, but if you're just starting, kicad is a good way to go.
[19:32] <shiftplusone> but I'm mostly pro kicad because it's open, not because it's particularly great at this point.
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[19:32] <BurtyB> needing a plugin to get a BOM was the last rage at it for me
[19:32] <Greg-J> I was watching some video where they talk about new software features and the guy makes a point to talk about how they implemented "bitmap scaling for the icons". My hopes were dashed at that moment.
[19:33] <shiftplusone> tried the contextual electronics videos?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. intersting. I was going to give KiCAD a go for my next project. Currently using Frizing (I know, I know ...)
[19:33] <pwillard> please try it... but be patient with it... it has a learning curve
[19:33] <Greg-J> There's this other one that EEVblog was testing out that looked good.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> pwillard, kicad?
[19:34] <Greg-J> I can't remember. Let me see if I can find it.
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[19:34] <pwillard> Baldengineer has been doing some vids on Kicad... and there are good videos on kicad from ContextualElectronics
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> the irritating thing I'm currenrly finding about fritzing is the lack of parts, but it's not that hard to create a new one.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it's also a bit slow.
[19:35] <pwillard> True... but its basically the MSPAINT of the Schematic world
[19:36] <Greg-J> EAGLE is nice in that arena because it seems like everyone has their parts available for EAGLE.
[19:36] <pwillard> EAGLE needs to be left to die lonely and forgotten... Oh wait... I have no opinion about EagleCad...
[19:37] <Greg-J> Honestly, unlike a lot of things that AutoDesk gets their hands on, they seem to be doing great things with EAGLE.
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[19:38] <Li> Is there anyway to create a webpage on rpi which can be accessed to view/record/upload footage from usb camera connected to rpi?
[19:39] <Greg-J> Ahh, here we go. You should check out PCBweb. Totally free, partnered with digikey I think, and pretty robust. I have also heard very good things about DipTrace.
[19:39] <pwillard> Is there are way. Likely. Willing to code it?
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[19:40] <gordonDrogon> does it work under Linux?
[19:40] <pwillard> DIGIKEY just fleshed out a big kicad library of a lot of their parts
[19:40] <pwillard> Kicad does
[19:40] <Li> gordonDrogon: Yes
[19:40] <Greg-J> Li, https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=raspberry+pi+security+camera+web+server&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> yes , I've seen kicad - and fiddled with eagle under linux.
[19:41] <pwillard> They are actually relatively similar and both stupidly suffer from the "blender" effect.
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> pcbweb - Windows only.
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> (for now)
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[19:43] <Greg-J> ahh. I'm a Win10 and OSX guy. The only nix installs I have live inside of containers so I don't every really pay attention to supported OSes.
[19:43] <Li> I don't wanna make a stream server, the footage should be available for few people. only the once who are authorized login credentials
[19:44] <Greg-J> Li, that is trivial
[19:44] <Greg-J> password protecting a directory is a non-issue.
[19:44] <Greg-J> I would also be suprised if any solution out there doesn't already support user roles.
[19:44] <Greg-J> I get the impression you haven't looked into this at all
[19:45] <Li> Greg-J: ok, go on and explain how trival that is.
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[19:45] <Li> I get the impression you're not able to understand what I'm saying
[19:45] <Greg-J> http://www.htaccesstools.com/htpasswd-generator/
[19:46] <Greg-J> That would be for apache. There are htpasswd comparatives for every web server known to man. It depends on the web server used.
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[19:47] <Li> I know what htaccess is, let's go to the first concept. how to make a usb webcam available via webpage on apache2 server
[19:47] <Li> php doesn't support hardware
[19:47] <Greg-J> Listen, if you have a specific question I'm here to help but I'm not going to do the basic legwork for you.
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[19:47] <Li> javascript while show client's side webcam instead of the one connected to the rpi
[19:48] <Li> Greg-J: I did more work than what you can imagine but it seems you have an attitude
[19:48] <Greg-J> Li, I've been a developer for 15 years. I'm a W3C member for crying out loud. I _kind of_ know what I'm talking about.
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[19:49] <Li> yeah keep bragging it away now
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[19:49] <Greg-J> I'm offering to help but you're being a twat.
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[19:50] <IT_Sean> Li: don't be a jerk.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> Li, php can support hardware. it's just another program running on a computer.
[19:51] <Li> IT_Sean: How does asking questions would make a jerk of me?
[19:51] <Li> isn't opened for rpi related questions here?
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[19:52] <Greg-J> LANGUAGE!
[19:52] <Greg-J> Sorry.
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[19:52] <IT_Sean> Li: you can ask questions, but being rude to the people trying to help you will get you nowhere.
[19:53] <Tenkawa> wow... I've walked into a storm
[19:53] <Tenkawa> hi all
[19:53] <Greg-J> Meh, just a little tif.
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[19:53] <Li> thanks gordonDrogon but I don't appreciate this mother fucker putting @IT_Sean trying to boss my ass here thinking I will just be scared of his fucking admin role .. wrong dude mother fucker .. go for your playing tool now faggot boy
[19:53] <Li> yaay
[19:53] <Tenkawa> Li: goodbye
[19:53] <Greg-J> Wow. Okay.
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[19:54] <Greg-J> That escalated quickly.
[19:54] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:54] <Greg-J> So.... About this new B+. Anyone have one?
[19:54] <Tenkawa> Greg-J: i wish
[19:54] * shiftplusone raises hand
[19:54] <Greg-J> Because what I've read seems to indicate they are crazy power hungry.
[19:55] <Tenkawa> its annoying having a microcenter in town and not having one yet
[19:55] <Greg-J> shiftplusone, have you metered it under load?
[19:55] <shiftplusone> I think it's like 10mA more on idle, but no I'm not sure. I think magpi had some measurements
[19:55] <pwillard> Well, Me thinking of questions from Li... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA
[19:56] <Greg-J> pwillard, rofl
[19:56] <shiftplusone> haven't seen somebody get so triggered when asked not to be a jerk
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[19:57] <pwillard> "Is ist possible" questions always start out doomed anyway.
[19:58] <shiftplusone> Worse than "Has anyone..."
[19:58] <pwillard> Agreed. and those are bad enough
[19:58] <Greg-J> Especially when it's something that has been done a million times, there are multiple open source projects available to do just that, and there a bazillion results for every permutation of google search.
[19:59] <Greg-J> Also, when someone tries to give you an answer and you tell them they don't understand the problem that they themselves don't understand...
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[20:00] <pwillard> As an admin in the Arduino channel... I know from experience that we get WAY too much of this from humans in general.
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[20:00] <Greg-J> pwillard, Has anyone ever used a Teensy as an HID controller?
[20:00] <Greg-J> I kid, I kid.
[20:01] <Greg-J> On an unrelated side note: I wish there was a 3d printing guru service that would come over and set up and build profiles for you. I am having zero luck with carbon fiber through a .4mm nozzle.
[20:01] <Greg-J> That stuff is crazy picky. Way worse than TPU.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> hey, I'm just about to hook a Atmega644 to a 6502 - which channel... ;-)
[20:01] <Greg-J> lol
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[20:06] <stiltr> red9: I think you meant ShapeShifter499. Sorry, I'm a little late on this. haha
[20:07] <shiftplusone> Didn't know there was carbon fiber filament
[20:07] <shiftplusone> although it seems like there's everything filament, so fair enough
[20:07] <shiftplusone> Whatever you want to clog your hotend with, they've got it.
[20:08] <Tenkawa> yikes
[20:09] <Tenkawa> what could you use that rigid of filament on though
[20:10] <Tenkawa> i would be afraid it would snap way too easily
[20:11] <Tenkawa> then again I've seen some amazing carbon fiber stuff so far
[20:11] <Tenkawa> and I thought titanium was pretty darn amazing back in the day
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[20:12] <Tenkawa> and now that seems so behind
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[20:14] <Greg-J> It just looks really cool. It's super brittle though.
[20:15] <Greg-J> Bad layer adhesion.
[20:15] <Tenkawa> ahh
[20:15] <Greg-J> But, you know, I bought it so it'd be nice to use it.
[20:15] <Tenkawa> that sounds what I figured
[20:15] <Tenkawa> hows the light reflect off it?
[20:16] <Greg-J> Very similar to carbon fiber rods.
[20:16] <Greg-J> black shimmer
[20:16] <Greg-J> Like a matte black with black pearl almost.
[20:16] <Tenkawa> i use to like how it worked on sheets in r/c cars I use to race
[20:16] <Greg-J> Layer lines are non existent as well, so it looks super cool.
[20:17] <Tenkawa> it was quite the look
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[20:24] <MarkusJ> so... beer
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[20:25] <shiftplusone> overrated
[20:25] <Greg-J> shiftplusone, +1
[20:26] <MarkusJ> I'm having the London Porter
[20:26] <Greg-J> If I want something that tastes good, there are a lot of non-alcoholic drinks that taste great. If I want all the calories, I'll eat a meal. If I want to drink, vodka will get the job done a lot quicker than beer.
[20:26] <MarkusJ> it's pretty good
[20:27] <Greg-J> Not much of an acquired taste person. I've been drinking coffee for the better part of two decades and I still don't like the taste of it.
[20:27] <MarkusJ> after this pint I will graduate to an australian red wine; Climbing... just something that was promoted at the store so I thought I'd try it
[20:28] <MarkusJ> I don't like black coffee but it's pretty good with milk or cream
[20:28] <shiftplusone> same way here.... never got the hang of coffee.
[20:28] <Giant81> Greg-J: same, I don't like it black, but it's such a cheap source of caffeine I can't afford not to drink it
[20:29] <Greg-J> Yeah.
[20:29] <shiftplusone> Doesn't tea have as much caffeine or is that all lies?
[20:29] <Greg-J> Drinking a red bull every morning sounds super unhealthy as well.
[20:29] <Giant81> no idea, but I do like me a nice black tea
[20:29] <Giant81> some spice chai's
[20:29] <ali1234> porter is a breakfast drink too you know
[20:29] <MarkusJ> shiftplusone: I think tea is lower on the caffeine content
[20:30] <MarkusJ> ali1234: what if it's morning where Iäm at?
[20:30] <ali1234> then you are doing it right?
[20:30] <MarkusJ> :D
[20:30] <shiftplusone> ah... 2 cups of tea ~= 1 cup of coffee
[20:31] <MarkusJ> just kidding, it's was a long day at work... had to study profibus and profinet... those things have long standards
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> That sounds pharmaceutical
[20:36] <shiftplusone> Do you have trouble staying awake? Ask your doctor if profibus is right for you. *side effects include death*
[20:36] <MarkusJ> kinda
[20:36] <MarkusJ> :)
[20:37] <genr8_> hate when that happens
[20:39] <MarkusJ> I've had these wifi enabled switches collecting dust in their packages for maybe 3 weeks for now... I had planned to install all my ceiling light to be wifi-operated and raspberry pi operated but I've just been too lazy to install them
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[20:42] <MarkusJ> I have two different kinds of wifi-enabled devices for that purpose. The touch/wifi switches which were supposed to replace the normal mechanical switches and then just wifi-controlled relays which should work with any wire
[20:44] <MarkusJ> I just got depressed when I realized my appartment had wired the mechanical switches in a way that wasn't enough for the more sophisticated new switches i bought
[20:45] <MarkusJ> So i gave up on the switches and haven't bothered with the relays :D
[20:50] <stiltr> MarkusJ: Out of curiosity, what hardware are you using?
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[20:52] <MarkusJ> itead smart home devices. They were cheap :)
[20:53] <stiltr> Cool, I'll have to check 'em out. Thanks!
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[21:46] <MarkusJ> This Australian red wine is not half bad, at least not for my taste
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[22:14] <tdn> How do I find out if I can use my TV's remote control instead of a USB keyboard for navigating in my Kodi/libreelec running on my rpi?
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[22:16] <Lartza_> tdn, What brand of TV?
[22:17] <tdn> Samsung
[22:18] <Lartza_> You need to find out if it supports "Anynet+"
[22:18] <Lartza_> Which is their way of saying it supports CEC
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[22:18] <tdn> OK
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[22:26] <tdn> The model is called ue42f5005akxxe or ue42f5005 but cannot seem to find any specs that mention anynet+. Maybe this means it does not support it :(
[22:26] <mfa298> alternatively just plug it in and try, both my Samsung TVs seem to support CEC quite happily
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[22:31] <inook> is it possable to display lets say 'rainbow' on sense_hat when nothing else is going on. when its just idle and wat for input??
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[22:34] <Tenkawa> hmm i might have to get me one of those
[22:35] <Tenkawa> can you stack any hats?
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[22:36] * Tenkawa pulls out one of his rpi3's real quick
[22:36] <Lartza_> Depends on the hat
[22:37] <mfa298> I'm not sure the HAT standard allows stacking, althoguh it migt work in some cases
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[22:37] <Tenkawa> trying to figure out how much i can put on each one of my boards
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> the issue is the I2C eeprom with the devtree information in it.
[22:38] <Tenkawa> right
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> so it can only technically be called a HAT if it has one of these...
[22:38] <Tenkawa> yeah was worried about addressing too
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> which sort of stops stacking them...
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> but there is nothing stopping you using non "HAT" boards and stacking them as long as you know what GPIO pins, etc. they're using.
[22:39] <Tenkawa> true
[22:39] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[22:40] <mfa298> there are a few boards that are sold as being able to be stacked with other boards, but they're likely to be designed to work together (otherwise you need to do your own research assuming the information you need is available)
[22:41] <Tenkawa> I just wanted a neat scenario to stack
[22:41] <Tenkawa> not a necessity
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Pimoroni have a stacking header thing - mainly aimed at their Phats which may not have the eeprom...
[22:42] * BurtyB made a small "butterfly" board to use 2 hat (eeprom solder jumpers for the flash on the second)
[22:42] <Tenkawa> I'll take a look... for now got to run.. cheers all
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[22:53] <darsie> Is a pi a PC?
[22:53] <davr0s> yes
[22:53] <darsie> thx
[22:53] <davr0s> but not an x86 PC
[22:53] <darsie> yep
[22:53] <davr0s> it's a 'personal computer' but not a Wintel x86 PC (as the term sometimes implies)
[22:53] <ksx4system> in theory also Mac is a PC too ;)
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[22:53] <davr0s> i prefer SBC 'single-board-computer' as the acronym?
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[22:54] <darsie> Was that a question?
[22:54] <ksx4system> davr0s: of course it's better to describe sth like Pi
[22:54] <davr0s> SBC = 'a small personal computer on a single board'
[22:54] <ksx4system> davr0s: but somehow, at some point of time people started using "personal computer" term only to describe x86/amd64 IBM clones :P
[22:54] <davr0s> oh, SBC doesn't imply small..
[22:55] <davr0s> ksx4system yes that happened. if you call the Amiga a PC, i feel slightly offended
[22:55] <darsie> PC also implies Windows, e.g. on steam.
[22:55] * ksx4system quickly hides
[22:56] <atomi> i've got a 5v relay that sticks on when I power the rpi how do I clear the gpio it's set up with?
[22:56] <ksx4system> davr0s: fortunately it was Apple and not Commodore to live until today :)
[22:56] <darsie> I loved Amigas.
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[22:56] <davr0s> the amiga arch didn't scale unfortunately and the idiots lost the design stalling their next gen
[22:56] <atomi> maybe it's a short... hmmm
[22:56] <davr0s> AAA was too little too late. damn some day i have to get over this
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[22:56] <ksx4system> darsie: I didn't say those weren't nice
[22:57] <ksx4system> lots of super cool computer types vanished over 90s :(
[22:57] <davr0s> i wont rest till we can do a kickstarter to get a 7nm 680x0 chip built ,and a modern GPU compatible with the original amiga blitter haha
[22:57] <ksx4system> like Acorn's RISC PCs
[22:57] <ksx4system> davr0s: 680x0? why the fsck :D
[22:57] <ksx4system> I thought that Amiga OS was fully PowerPC compatible...
[22:58] <davr0s> yeah you could view the RPi as a spiritual sucessor, and there is a lineage Acorn BBC Micro->Archimedes->RISC PC -> ....<smartphones> ...->Raspberry Pi - thats why they call it "ModelA, ModelB"
[22:58] <ksx4system> davr0s: well, I fully see it as spiritual successor :) I've got RasPi B+ happily running RISC OS 5.23 :)
[22:58] <davr0s> heh ok
[22:59] <ksx4system> afaik it's faster than those Iyonix boxes too
[22:59] <davr0s> i still have an itch for a bbc themed mech keyboard and i see some company does actually make somethig wiht red function-keys
[22:59] <davr0s> want a little owl logo for the \'supr' key
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[23:00] <ksx4system> that would be super cool davr0s :)
[23:00] <ksx4system> oh, some company even makes RPi enclosures resembling RISC PC (but those are much smaller than original, of course)
[23:01] * ksx4system badly wanted one of those but finally went for custom made plexiglass enclosure VESA-mounted on the back of LCD screen
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[23:01] <darsie> Does the pi have a RISC CPU?
[23:01] <ksx4system> davr0s: yup
[23:01] <ksx4system> ARM is a RISC architecture.
[23:01] <davr0s> ^
[23:02] <darsie> So the pi is a RISP PC.
[23:02] <darsie> RISC*
[23:02] <davr0s> sure but 'RISC PC' is a more specific idea related to a brand heh
[23:02] <ksx4system> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RiscPC
[23:02] <davr0s> a powerPC Mac was not an [acorn] RISC PC
[23:02] <davr0s> aren't these names all so confusing :)
[23:03] * ksx4system looks at his G3 PowerBook
[23:03] <davr0s> actually i'll ditch the 68000 for RISC-V
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[23:03] <ksx4system> davr0s: why not PowerPC?
[23:04] <davr0s> ARM used to be elegant but has been stretched in many directions . RISC-V is a purist risc design rebuilt
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[23:04] <ksx4system> I'm pretty sure that now we're pretty much able to build those but without extreme overheating issues
[23:04] <davr0s> ksx4system powerPC seems to have fall by the wayside and there are some details of elegance in RISC-V i.e. the way it handles conditional branching
[23:04] <darsie> Are there RISC PCs with CISC CPU?
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[23:04] <ksx4system> darsie: nope, it was all about ARM
[23:04] <davr0s> no but i think acord RISCPC had x86 boards to run windows in the same box
[23:05] <davr0s> 'second processor' kludges
[23:05] <ksx4system> davr0s: it was 3rd party product afaik
[23:05] <davr0s> reminds me of the C128 having a 6502 compatable and a z80 for CPM software
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[23:06] <ksx4system> I wonder if it would be possible to install modern-ish GNU/Linux on those x86 board for Acorn RISC PCs
[23:06] <ksx4system> or OpenBSD
[23:06] <ksx4system> NetBSD
[23:06] <ksx4system> whatever
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[23:06] <davr0s> i'd put that very low on my list of itches
[23:06] <ksx4system> for me it would be something like "FSCK YEAH LET'S BUY ONE INSTANTLY"
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[23:08] <davr0s> they should have made the cursor block the same color thogh, and they need the owl logo!!!!
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[23:09] <baldengineer> anyone know if you can manually turn on the lighting icon for undervoltage?
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[23:10] <ksx4system> davr0s: omg I want this keyboard :D
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> atomi, please google for "little girl killed by garage door" or something like that. then take some time to learn a little more about electronics, etc.
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[23:10] <ksx4system> that cog logo on super key <3
[23:10] <baldengineer> i'm powering 5 volt through a boost converter and it stays > 4.7 volts until the battery dies. The converter has a low batt signal, so I was thinking to read that with GPIO and turn on the undervolt icon myself, if I can
[23:10] <davr0s> ksx4system i need cherry blue switches though
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[23:11] <davr0s> and the tenkeyless layout
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> baldengineer, no idea about the undervolt icon, but you can read the low-batt. indicator and then shut-down the Pi safely. I do that with some systems myself and the powerboost 1000c unit...
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[23:13] <baldengineer> gordonDrogon yeah. that's what I'll end up doing. the little icon is so nice. saves me a LED too.
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[23:13] <baldengineer> plus I don't want the Pi to shutdown immediately. (I'm also using the powerboost). there's plenty of time for me to finish up and shutdown
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[23:15] <ksx4system> davr0s: lol, the keyboard is like ~60gbp and shipping to me is ~50gbp
[23:15] <ksx4system> srsly
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[23:18] <arha> hello
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[23:18] <arha> what's the easiest way to sample a bunch of GPIOs at a constant bitrate (specifically 31250 Hz, the midi rate)?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> arha, look at the pigpio package.
[23:19] <arha> i'm assuming a kernel driver and some ko programming might be in order
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> if you're looking to read a midi data stream then it's far easier to buy a usb midi adapter.
[23:20] <arha> i'm actually looking to read 8 ins, and 8 outs
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> pigpio
[23:20] <arha> considered some chianed hubs and a bunch of wires but it sounds overkill
[23:20] <arha> ty
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[23:38] <ali1234> just use the serial port. midi is serial
[23:38] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=19908&start=25
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[23:54] <arha> ali1234: i need 8 midi inputs/outputs tho, and midi uses an uncommon baud rate
[23:55] <Habbie> i'm with gordonDrogon on this - usb midi adapters are cheap and they take away all the pain
[23:55] <MarkusJ> huh... I've never had to think about midi but it makes sense... Why invent something new when you can just use serial :)
[23:55] <arha> but yeah, ideally that's the direction
[23:55] <arha> well
[23:56] <ali1234> pi is not fast enough to bit bang 8 serial ports
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[23:56] <MarkusJ> sound like alot of work for a general purpose cpu
[23:56] <arha> with serial it's unlikely, because i'd need 8 serial ports; so the problem comes again to having 8 tx/rxs, i could, of course, get 8 FTDI boards, and use those, and hook those up to midi connectors
[23:56] <Habbie> i bet the pi is fast enough but linux gets in the way
[23:57] <arha> nah, i doubt it, it's 31Khz over.. 1.2GHz?
[23:57] <MarkusJ> if you have to poll 8 serial ports
[23:57] <MarkusJ> its alot
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[23:57] <MarkusJ> just use special hw
[23:58] <arha> i doubt polling 31250 hz over 1200000000 hz is a problem
[23:58] <Habbie> 4838 cycles per bit
[23:58] <Habbie> for 8 signals
[23:58] <Habbie> this is not the problem
[23:58] <arha> i mean, i wouldn't poll them one by one, you'd just image the GPIO and mask it
[23:58] <Habbie> but just get usb
[23:59] <arha> and then mask it once per channel and shift data into a per channel buffer
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[23:59] <arha> hm, yeah
[23:59] <MarkusJ> I don't know enough about the gpio in raspberry pi but I doubt that there is a seperate mcu for the polling so the main cpu has to do it?

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