#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-03-17

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <arha> so? the cpu has to trigger on interrupts when you move your mouse and it's not that big of an issue
[0:00] <Habbie> MarkusJ, you can get interrupts but the delay is about a 100 microseconds
[0:00] <arha> it _is_ its purpose to do stuff after all, not lay there at 0% :p
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[0:01] <MarkusJ> if you think there is enough resources for this, then by all means do it
[0:01] <MarkusJ> we run embedded mcu's at 90% load all the time
[0:02] <MarkusJ> just make sure youa hve enough resources
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[0:10] <arha> man i'm lagging behind embedded lately
[0:10] <MarkusJ> and well the architecture is significant...
[0:10] <arha> so the microchip acquisition of atmel went through, eh....
[0:11] <MarkusJ> uart is mostly special hw with just buffer registers that are visible to the cpu
[0:11] <MarkusJ> gpio can be behind polled hw that is interrupt driven
[0:11] <MarkusJ> and so on
[0:11] <MarkusJ> so many different ways to implement the same functionality in embedded world
[0:12] <arha> i'm not sure interrupt driven is the way to go to grab the signals i want
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[0:12] <arha> because if 4 signals (supposedly) at 25% phase offset to one another, i'll start having 4 times more interrupts
[0:12] <arha> actually even like that might not be a problem but still
[0:13] <MarkusJ> it depends if you care about delay
[0:13] <MarkusJ> and then again... I'm not sure if the gpio is buffered or not
[0:14] <MarkusJ> if two signals arrive at the same time can the other one be lost?
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[0:15] <MarkusJ> Interrupts are buffered, that's for sure
[0:15] <arha> if two signals arrive at the same time, and i'm constantly sampling, they'll both be in the GPIO buffer, and then I can mask them away as per the pin mapping
[0:16] <arha> but if the interrupts trigger one after another, and i'm reading pin by pin on an interrupt basis, yeah, i guess the signals might change
[0:16] <MarkusJ> yeah
[0:17] <MarkusJ> software serial implementation needs quite a lot of things compared to a special hw serial with just buffered registers
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[0:17] <atomi> nevermind got the relay working correctly
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[0:18] <MarkusJ> this is exactly why we have uart modules and not just gpio everywhere because it matters
[0:18] <MarkusJ> spi, i2c ewtc
[0:19] <MarkusJ> all special registers == special hw
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[0:19] <MarkusJ> they take the load off from the cpu
[0:20] <giddles> hey ho
[0:20] <giddles> the 3b+
[0:21] <MarkusJ> but in all seriousness if you need this and it is doable with reasonable effortm then just experiment
[0:21] <giddles> solution to buy?
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[0:22] <GenteelBen> giddles: a final solution to buy?
[0:23] <giddles> you stalking me
[0:23] <giddles> cybercriminal
[0:23] <atomi> gordonDrogon, I'm just running sprinklers dude. chillout.
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[0:25] <giddles> the 3b+ has a heatshiel :)
[0:25] <giddles> hehe
[0:25] <GenteelBen> giddles: I'm playing Wolfenstein II, waiting for your cameo.
[0:25] <giddles> at least they take the problems serious
[0:25] <GenteelBen> giddles: a heatsink.
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[0:25] <giddles> no a heatsink is different
[0:25] <GenteelBen> And a heatsink was already recommended if you were cool like me and wanted to play back HEVC.
[0:25] <giddles> thats only an aliminium plate
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[0:26] <giddles> nananan the 3b is hot as hell
[0:26] <GenteelBen> Show me the photo and I will judge.
[0:26] <giddles> look in the channel logs
[0:26] <giddles> i had 89°C+
[0:26] <GenteelBen> giddles: it's a heatspreader.
[0:26] <MarkusJ> I wonder if they fixed the bluetooth/wifi problem with the b+
[0:26] <GenteelBen> If Hitler had won we'd be calling them heatshields.
[0:27] <giddles> the the modell b wasnt
[0:27] <GenteelBen> MarkusJ: well it has new wireless/BT chipsets.
[0:27] <giddles> the 3b+ has 5ghz ;)
[0:27] <giddles> thats better
[0:27] <MarkusJ> cool
[0:27] <giddles> but still everything go first trough the usb2.0 and then trough gpu..arm
[0:27] <GenteelBen> 802.1ac and 2.4/5GHz, plus BT 4.2
[0:28] <MarkusJ> gpu?
[0:28] <giddles> ya gpu
[0:28] <giddles> without gpu pi wont boot
[0:28] <GenteelBen> MarkusJ: but read on forums if you want to understand if the bugs were fixed.
[0:28] <mfa298> giddles: wifi and bt dont touch the usb bus
[0:28] <giddles> ohrlly?
[0:28] <GenteelBen> Ethernet does, bizarrely.
[0:28] <MarkusJ> giddles I doubt the usb goes through the gpu in any way :D
[0:28] <giddles> me too
[0:28] <GenteelBen> They claim 315Mbit/s over the USB bus for the Ethernet port.
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[0:29] <GenteelBen> Anyway.
[0:29] <GenteelBen> I just want something which can decode HEVC without exploding.
[0:29] <GenteelBen> Maybe a FireTV + kodi would serve me better.
[0:29] <MarkusJ> chromecast works pretty good
[0:29] <mfa298> giddles: wifi is on sdio (and always has been for the pi3 and pi zero), bt is on the uart
[0:30] <MarkusJ> I had problems with bluetooth audio and wifi
[0:31] <MarkusJ> the audio would be choppy if wifi was on
[0:31] <MarkusJ> with the pi3
[0:31] <GenteelBen> Chromecast is Google BS, it doesn't really play stuff does it?
[0:32] <GenteelBen> Chromecast is garbage, pure garbage.
[0:32] <MarkusJ> what is missing?
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[0:32] <GenteelBen> It's just a £30/£70 mirroring dongle.
[0:32] <giddles> i used it for motion and the rpi noir cam
[0:32] <MarkusJ> yeah but it works
[0:32] <giddles> :)
[0:32] <giddles> still work
[0:32] <GenteelBen> MarkusJ: does Chromecast do anything except mirror what's ON YOUR PHONE??
[0:32] <giddles> around 4 or 5 yrs old
[0:32] <GenteelBen> It's just a really expensive screen mirror.
[0:32] <GenteelBen> I don't get why it's even discussed when people talk about things like the Fire TV or Roku.
[0:32] <MarkusJ> GenteelBen: I have Plex server on my PC and it plays anything plex can offer
[0:33] <GenteelBen> MarkusJ: does it need your phone to do that?
[0:33] <MarkusJ> no
[0:33] <GenteelBen> Plex has a Chromecast plugin?
[0:33] <MarkusJ> I do think I have streamed plex from the browser to chromecast
[0:34] <MarkusJ> you just need chrome
[0:34] <MarkusJ> browser
[0:35] <MarkusJ> but yes
[0:35] <MarkusJ> you can have all your supported media from plex to chromevast
[0:35] <GenteelBen> OH MY GOD
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[0:36] <GenteelBen> You need to open up a browser?
[0:36] <GenteelBen> See this is what I mean.
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[0:36] <MarkusJ> ok...
[0:36] <MarkusJ> I know its hard to use abrowser in 2018
[0:36] <GenteelBen> All it's doing is capturing the video source and streaming it to another device. It's just screen mirroring because the decoding is being done on the host PC/server.
[0:36] <GenteelBen> And that's just whack dawg.
[0:37] <MarkusJ> it's not screen mirroring
[0:37] <MarkusJ> the chromecast gets the link and does the streaming independend
[0:38] <MarkusJ> granted for plex you need the server but if you have premium you can have a cloud server with the media on dropbox/googledrive/onedrive
[0:38] <GenteelBen> Why on earth would you need to open up a browser then?
[0:38] <GenteelBen> Ok, whatever.
[0:38] <genr8_> the browser is the link.
[0:39] <mfa298> you dont need a browser for chromecast
[0:39] <MarkusJ> but you do need a seperate device for the control
[0:39] <MarkusJ> iPad/android/pc/mac
[0:40] <mfa298> I use it from various apps on my tablet, its ideal for steaming tv which is what it was designd for
[0:40] <MarkusJ> but you can't just have chromecast + kb/mouse
[0:40] <MarkusJ> but I have to agree that chromecast is perfectly good for media consumption
[0:40] <MarkusJ> I would not use a rpi for media
[0:41] <MarkusJ> I tried but it doesn't have enough juice
[0:41] <MarkusJ> it just doesnt'
[0:42] <MarkusJ> even chinese android boxes are better for media
[0:42] <mfa298> for some types of media the Pi is fine. I've got one with kodi + tvheadend for recording terrestrial tv
[0:43] <mfa298> but how well that works can depend on where you are and what tv signals you have.
[0:43] <MarkusJ> for the pi you have to transcode the media for rpi optimal format
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[0:45] <exo-squad> i used to use my original pi1 for video playback
[0:45] <exo-squad> and it was fine
[0:45] <mfa298> the pi3 plays the local tv streams just fine and im not suer they're an optimal format
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[0:47] <MarkusJ> mayeb I'm remembering this backwards... I actually tried to use the pi as a plex server
[0:47] <mfa298> I've also used the Pi1 for media playback, I think the biggest issue I had was the wifi (I was using an early Pi1B with the USB polyfuses)
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[0:47] <MarkusJ> rpi3 didn't have enough power to work as a plex server
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[0:48] <mfa298> For the Pi1 you have to choose your codecs a bit more carefully and/or buy the licenses.
[0:48] <mfa298> you also need the right video player (omxplayer or kodi normaly) to be able to use any hardware decoders.
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[0:49] <exo-squad> i used to watch those crazy big matrosky anime
[0:49] <MarkusJ> yeah, I was mixing my experiences with the pi1 as a media playback device and the rpi3 as a plex media server
[0:50] <MarkusJ> so maybe the rpi3 is a decent media playback device these days but the rpi1 was not enough for me then
[0:50] <MarkusJ> but the rpi3 is still not fast enough for a plex server where it needs to transcode the content
[0:50] <treym> hello here.. I am looking for the release not of the latest raspbian.. ? or alternate question : why the rpi3b+ can not boot using the previous release ?
[0:51] <treym> and what is that led pattern ? any doc to explain the blinking ?
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[0:51] <exo-squad> all the pis can watch videos fine
[0:51] <exo-squad> use kodi, done
[0:51] <exo-squad> it might lag a bit at the menus or whatever, but when its time for watching it watches just fine
[0:52] <exo-squad> what rips do you watch that dont work well?
[0:52] <MarkusJ> exo-squad: it still is dependend on the format
[0:52] <MarkusJ> you can't watch 4k on a pi
[0:52] <exo-squad> dood, 4k on a pi is just dumb./
[0:53] <MarkusJ> just making a point
[0:53] <exo-squad> im talking anything normal 1080 videos from the internets or torrents
[0:53] <exo-squad> nobody downloads 4k rips of videos
[0:53] <exo-squad> is there even 4k videos to download?
[0:53] <mfa298> don't forget the original Pi1 Soc was designed for settop boxes - with the later Pi's having better cpu cores bolted on.
[0:53] <MarkusJ> exo-squad: youtube
[0:53] <exo-squad> what, on youtube, is 4k, and is something you want to watch
[0:53] <exo-squad> im dying to know.
[0:54] <MarkusJ> linus tech tips
[0:54] <exo-squad> give me an excuse to demand a better TV
[0:54] <MarkusJ> mkbhd
[0:54] <mfa298> as a media server (sending media to other devices) it may struggle (depending on clients etc.) as storage (assuming not just an sd card) and network (assuming ethernet) share the same bus.
[0:54] <exo-squad> i use a windows computer as a media server
[0:55] <MarkusJ> as do i
[0:55] <exo-squad> so i can strream to anything really
[0:55] <MarkusJ> also i don't even need the rpi for media storage
[0:55] <MarkusJ> my ethernet switch has usb port
[0:55] <MarkusJ> it can samba share my usb hd
[0:55] <mfa298> unless you have a cinema sized screen 4k is probably wasted on most people
[0:55] <exo-squad> thats cool
[0:56] <exo-squad> mfa298, i really dont see the content out that would warrrant buying a 4k tv
[0:56] <treym> anyone using a rpi3b+ here ?
[0:56] <MarkusJ> but I use my rpi3 to serve mycloud and git-server and http-server
[0:56] <exo-squad> my shitty 1080p tvs are working super fine
[0:56] <MarkusJ> netflix has 4k?
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[0:57] <GenteelBen> MarkusJ: for a tiny amount of media.
[0:57] <BurtyB> treym, trying to - you?
[0:58] <GenteelBen> And their 4K is probably so low bitrate that it's barely better than a 1080p Blu-ray.
[0:58] <MarkusJ> still... I would not use the rpi to watch netfli
[0:59] <MarkusJ> I view it more as a server
[0:59] <treym> BurtyB, yes .. but I was badly surprised : you can not just switch the sdcard from a rpi3 to a rpi3+ .. it is unreliable, one need to use the stretch release from march .. and there is no explanation
[0:59] <mfa298> in most cases a decent bitrate 1080p will be better than a poor bitrate 4k stream
[0:59] <treym> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16582882 .. and it run super hot ..
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[1:00] <BurtyB> treym, or update it before switching and it should work ok (mostly)
[1:00] <treym> mostly is like 1 in 8
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[1:00] <mfa298> from memory digital cinema films are 100GB+ for 4k content, I hope you have good internetz all the way to the source if you want to stream that.
[1:01] <MarkusJ> mfa298: do you know encoding?
[1:02] <MarkusJ> sure raw cinema is going to be huge
[1:02] <MarkusJ> but you can encode that to a smaller bitstream without losing too much quality
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[1:04] <MarkusJ> it seems youtube uses 35-45Mbps bitrate for 4k video
[1:04] <MarkusJ> so if you have 100Mbps fiber it should not be a problem
[1:04] <mfa298> MarkusJ: I think it was something like mjpeg on an early verion I saw, but that might have changed now
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[1:06] <MarkusJ> yeah... there was like divx after that and then mp4 and now we use something called H.265
[1:06] <MarkusJ> I don't know how those work but each is better than the other
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[1:07] <exo-squad> who all remembers ASF and VIVO before that
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[1:08] <MarkusJ> QUICKTIME!
[1:08] <MarkusJ> I think it used asf
[1:09] <exo-squad> quicktime was mov
[1:09] <exo-squad> apple's thing
[1:09] <MarkusJ> true
[1:09] <exo-squad> asf was a microsoft thing i think
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[1:10] <exo-squad> and vivo was like, way before that
[1:10] <shauno> it was a playlist format tho
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[1:10] <shauno> oh no, apparently not. asx was the playlist for asf's
[1:10] <exo-squad> shauno. yeah asx
[1:10] <exo-squad> asf was videos
[1:10] <exo-squad> and they were horrible
[1:11] <MarkusJ> I think i watched some futurama that was encoded with asf :D
[1:11] <MarkusJ> dont think it was even 240p
[1:12] <exo-squad> there was no p's involved
[1:13] <MarkusJ> :D
[1:13] <exo-squad> it was basically badly compressed jpegs with sounds
[1:15] <MarkusJ> the first really good thing I remember watching that was from the internets but was not downloaded by us but my brother got from his friend was neon genesis evangelion
[1:15] <MarkusJ> I think it was on cd
[1:15] <exo-squad> vcds!
[1:16] <MarkusJ> yeah! :)
[1:16] <MarkusJ> the quality was horrible
[1:16] <MarkusJ> but the anime was good :)
[1:18] <exo-squad> i feel super old
[1:18] <exo-squad> and a little bit blind cause i really cant tell the diffence between encodes and stuff
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[1:19] <MarkusJ> I think most people don't know any of those things we just talked about and couldn't name any technology used currently but they don't care because it just works
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[1:20] <MarkusJ> but yeah... the 90's is like old times now :S
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[1:20] <MarkusJ> huh
[1:20] <MarkusJ> I guess it's only downhill from now on :D
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[1:28] <Ilyas> it's all smartblockchain and distributed cloud and serverless fog computing these days
[1:29] <Ilyas> you know, because you want to synergize business value and consolidate your hyperscale software defined datacenter
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[1:31] <MarkusJ> back in my day a large scale districuted network was called the mail service
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[1:31] <Ilyas> it was so slow you could see the packets go by with the naked eye
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[1:32] <Ilyas> mfa298: I think netflix recommends at least 25Mbit bw for 4k content
[1:32] <Ilyas> so, they have some pretty hardcore compression
[1:32] <Ilyas> I'd imagine
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[1:47] <exo-squad> what do you ppl use to play mp3s on your desktop..
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[1:49] <MarkusJ> winamp
[1:49] <akk> I don't like any of the apps I found, so I hacked up my own in pygame.
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[1:51] <MarkusJ> there used to be a popular alternative to winamp which played flac files when winamp didn't but I can't remember the name
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[1:52] <MarkusJ> Foobar!
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[1:55] <exo-squad> yeah im still using winamp also
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[1:56] <exo-squad> classic skin and all
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[2:31] <timofonic> Hello
[2:31] <Tenkawa> hi
[2:31] <clickboom> what's up?
[2:32] <timofonic> I recently bought a Raspberry Pi 3. I felt really bad when the new model got released little after I bought the previous mode :(
[2:32] <timofonic> model
[2:32] <Tenkawa> dont be
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[2:32] <timofonic> No announcements, Mouser.com didn't advice me. Nothing! That's bad!
[2:33] <clickboom> it happens, but i didn't see enough improvement in 3b+ to want to upgrade.
[2:33] <timofonic> Yes. but the way seems quite nfair to me
[2:34] <clickboom> to be fair, do you need any of the improvements? what are you doing with your pi?
[2:35] <stiltr> Unfair that they didn't ask you if you meant to buy a different product?
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[2:36] <timofonic> Unfair to not say: "3b+ is going to be released. Do you want that one instead?" No, they were unfair and quite selfish so they just wanted to sell their rpi3 stock before rpi3b+ one >:(
[2:37] <timofonic> I'm going to complain Mouser.com tomorrow. Today I had a very busy day
[2:37] <clickboom> i've been cheated out of $35 in less fun ways.
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[2:39] <stiltr> idk man, if you ask me to sell you a rpi3 I'll probably assume you know what you want and sell you an rpi3.
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[2:39] <clickboom> not even 3b?
[2:40] <stiltr> there isn't an a, so all 3's are b or b+
[2:40] <stiltr> Or CM, I guess.
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[2:42] <Robdgreat> "unfair and quite selfish" are you 4?
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[2:43] <Robdgreat> What incentive does Mouser have to talk you out of making a purchase?
[2:44] <Robdgreat> Know what else? They make people pay for their products! That's totes unfair and selfish!
[2:44] <BurtyB> especially when they're not allowed to tell you about the pi3+ until it's released
[2:44] <Robdgreat> unfair and selfish, BurtyB
[2:44] <stiltr> lol
[2:45] <Robdgreat> they should violate the terms they've agreed to just so timofonic won't call them unfair and selfish
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[2:46] <Robdgreat> when ultimately the real issue was purchasing at the wrong time
[2:46] <methuzla> i bought a bunch of 5% tolerance resistors and they never told me they had 1% (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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[2:47] <Robdgreat> methuzla: you mean to tell me they just assumed you had done even a tiny bit of due diligence? Those monsters!
[2:48] <clickboom> didn't they keep the announcement pretty quiet until it happened?
[2:48] <BurtyB> tbh I would have loved to know about it before release too - then I could of most likely had a workaround for the eth0 bridge issue ready for my HATs
[2:49] <Robdgreat> clickboom: irrelevant. Everyone's selfish and unfair
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[2:52] <clickboom> BurtyB is the first person i've heard that might have a necessity for 3b+.
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[3:57] <timofonic> Robdgreat: I see. I thought Raspberry foundation being a charity would act different, but the shadow of Broadcom is bigger than it seems...
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[4:05] <ShapeShifter499> red9: do you have that link from yesterday, I lost it
[4:05] <ShapeShifter499> the one about setting 25Mb/s
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[4:14] <Robdgreat> timofonic: they're still a business. I don't speak for them, but your beef was with Mouser.
[4:15] <baldengineer> You can complain all you want, but being new to technology, you should know that new products get released all the time
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[4:16] <baldengineer> The expectation that a vendor will somehow warn you "hey by the way, in 72 hours there will be a press releease. we can't tell you about it, but you should wait until then to give us your money" is foolish
[4:17] <baldengineer> and in this case, 72 hours is an arbitrary number.
[4:17] <baldengineer> You can, likely, return the product based on their return policy. But don't waste your time complaining or feeling slighted.
[4:17] <baldengineer> that's just stupid
[4:17] <timofonic> baYes, I know technology is a cruel world...
[4:17] <stiv> was the order placed via a website or did you talk to a human?
[4:18] <baldengineer> that really doesn't matter
[4:18] <stiv> i'm just curious
[4:18] <timofonic> stiv: website
[4:18] <timofonic> stiv: But I asked A LOT over phone :P
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[4:18] <baldengineer> for a $35 board?
[4:18] <baldengineer> what did you ask?
[4:19] <baldengineer> I didn't even know Mouser had a phone number
[4:19] <timofonic> baldengineer: I was anxious to get the material ASAP. Two days from USA to Spain, very well done :D
[4:19] <timofonic> SPI SOIC8 clip, dupont cables, rpi3
[4:19] <baldengineer> If you were anxious, then why be upset about something new and likely delayed to be received?
[4:20] <baldengineer> that seems silly
[4:20] <timofonic> baldengineer: I know. I'm silly :P
[4:21] <baldengineer> you should be thrilled. with the new thing announced, they'll happily ship what you need right away, asap
[4:21] <timofonic> baldengineer: Yes, Mouser.com has phone numbers all over their countries they operate on (I think). Here in Spain are two, the "official one" and the one where they really send their stuff (Barcelona)
[4:22] <baldengineer> timofonic if you aren't catching my point, you really don't have any reason to be upset
[4:22] <baldengineer> a) new products are announced all the time
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[4:22] <baldengineer> b) it is HIGHLY unlikely anyone you talked to at mouser would happen to know that one of the 800k? part numbers was getting an update
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[4:23] <baldengineer> c) you said you were "axious to get the material ASAP". new products always involve delays
[4:23] <baldengineer> in the case of a distributor like mouser, they probably don't have the capability to drop ship (from their competitor). so you have to wait until they receive to ship
[4:24] <baldengineer> correction. 3.8 million part numbers
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[4:25] <timofonic> baldengineer: Yes, they are fast to ship. Anyway, rpi3b+ isn't enough interesting. I have hopes for a rpi4 with VC5 (and programmable video decoder, no shitty licenses), USB3, UHS uSD (two or three would be amazing, uSD RAID!), GigE, wifi ac at real speed, no using a usb hub or MMC bus to connect things but builtin in SoC... more Open Source and less binary blobs and a wider beagleboard-like bus...
[4:25] <baldengineer> what the hell?
[4:25] <baldengineer> so you wanted it immediately
[4:25] <baldengineer> and now you want to wait for the 4
[4:26] <baldengineer> I'm lost on why you were upset with anyone to begin with
[4:26] <timofonic> baldengineer: That's my multiple personality disorder. I want things now, but I want new things too :P
[4:26] <baldengineer> whatever
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[4:27] <timofonic> baldengineer: Nah, not so upset but frustrated
[4:28] <baldengineer> why?
[4:28] <baldengineer> that's what I'm getting at
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[4:29] <timofonic> baldengineer: Because I bought something and a little after a better model at same price appeared. I should have been more patient, maybe :P
[4:30] <baldengineer> well no, not maybe
[4:30] <baldengineer> you said yourself you wanted to receive something ASAP
[4:30] <timofonic> ``yes
[4:30] <baldengineer> the best option for ASAP means buying what is on the shelf at the supplier
[4:30] <baldengineer> you're talking out of both sides of your mouth
[4:31] <baldengineer> and your Charity/Broadcom comment is completely out of line with the additional details you provided.
[4:31] <timofonic> but finally making rpi3 work was slower than I wanted to. I'm sick with asthma, flu and such shit. My body was too weak and still it is, but a little less. So maybe I should have been waited, but I'm fscking OCD and wanted to fix despite I was very sick :P
[4:31] <stiv> it's a common scenario in the tech world: you buy something and a few months later, there is a better version. I blame Moore's Law
[4:32] <baldengineer> Instead of being entitled, be grateful that such a device at any level is available.
[4:32] <timofonic> baldengineer: Well, yes. Maybe I got passive/aggresive. Sorry
[4:32] <baldengineer> and that services/providers like Mouser (and other distributors) make it happen
[4:32] <baldengineer> not, "me want now now now now now now !!!!!!!"
[4:33] <timofonic> baldengineer: Yes. Thanks, Bald Engineer. You are bald, but savvy :D
[4:33] <timofonic> I understand it now. I have too much to learn :P
[4:34] <timofonic> But.... I hope rpi4 has a lot better i/o. beagle family surpass on that. I want more competition :D
[4:35] <timofonic> But I want a full FOSS GPU driver too. I know, I demand too much :P
[4:35] <timofonic> The rpi3 binary blobs make be a bit unconfortable...
[4:37] <baldengineer> well, the Hackaday chat with one of the Pi developers today, would suggest you are going to be disappointed with the 4.
[4:37] <baldengineer> but somehow, I see that happening anyway
[4:37] <exo-squad> i want another sbc to come out
[4:37] <exo-squad> that doesnt suck
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[4:37] <exo-squad> like, an asus tinkerboard that is well documented and works right
[4:38] <exo-squad> or a orangepi,banana pi, whateverpi, that doesnt suck
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[4:38] <timofonic> baldengineer: Why? :(
[4:38] <baldengineer> something as popular as the Pi but as open as the BeagleBone
[4:39] <exo-squad> i want something with an android distro that actually works
[4:39] <timofonic> baldengineer: No... more open and as much i/o than the BeagleBone. Full FOSS GPU driver ;)
[4:39] <exo-squad> and a ubuntu distro that actually works
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[4:40] <timofonic> baldengineer: bbb has... 65 GPIO?
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[4:41] <timofonic> 5 serial ports
[4:41] <timofonic> can, spi, 8 pwm outputs, 7 12-bit a/d converters
[4:42] <timofonic> ...
[4:42] <timofonic> Why not that at least in rpi4? :P
[4:42] <timofonic> baldengineer: Do you have a link to the interview?
[4:43] <baldengineer> exo-squad is there an ARM version of ubuntu?
[4:43] <exo-squad> uh,yea
[4:43] <exo-squad> ubuntu has arm support
[4:43] <exo-squad> theres ubuntu mate for pi
[4:44] <baldengineer> shrug, I've never looked ;)
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[4:45] <timofonic> Just use ALARM ;)
[4:46] <timofonic> I just wish rpi devs finish full featured 64bit support and good VC4 driver etc etc
[4:46] <exo-squad> they are never gonna open up the source for their videocore
[4:47] <exo-squad> i wish AMD would make a little ryzen vega sbc
[4:47] <exo-squad> that would be the sickest sweetest thing ever
[4:48] <timofonic> exo-squad: There are people reverse engineering it, but it seems the progress is slow :(
[4:49] <timofonic> exo-squad: x86_64 or ARM64? :D
[4:49] <exo-squad> ryzen x64
[4:49] <exo-squad> with vega
[4:49] <exo-squad> thatd be so sweet
[4:49] <exo-squad> it would emulate a playstation2 and be awesome
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[4:50] <timofonic> exo-squad: And if the PS4 firmware leak is true... wine-like ps4 software? :D
[4:50] <exo-squad> im not greedy ;)
[4:51] <exo-squad> gimmie ps2, wii, dreamcast, n64, and im a happy dood
[4:51] <timofonic> exo-squad: I am. But I'm poor. That's why I'm crazy :P
[4:51] <timofonic> Wii U too :P
[4:51] <exo-squad> im super poor
[4:51] <exo-squad> ;so i feel ya
[4:52] <timofonic> exo-squad: I'm very poor and greedy at same time :P
[4:52] <exo-squad> see being greedy is the bad part
[4:52] <exo-squad> you start WANTING and DEMANDING egverything for free
[4:52] <timofonic> I'm greedy at tech only
[4:52] <exo-squad> altho, i just exploited my ps3 super slim and have NO idea what to do with it
[4:52] <timofonic> Well, and I want a nice girlfriend too. No more demanding at other stuff :P
[4:53] <timofonic> exo-squad: Fill it with games? :P
[4:53] <exo-squad> timofonic, how to install them
[4:53] <exo-squad> how to make exploit work to install them
[4:53] <exo-squad> none of that is documented
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[4:54] <exo-squad> i yhate when buyhing games is easier and cheaper than piracy
[4:54] <timofonic> exo-squad: It is. You just need to look at the appropiate sites ;)
[4:54] <exo-squad> yes i am a dirty pirate, all my roms on my retropie are not stuff i own. <tells everyone his horrible sins>
[4:55] <exo-squad> timofonic, the super slim exploit came out like 13 days ago
[4:55] <exo-squad> so. nobody has real info about it
[4:55] <timofonic> Oh, I didn't know that. I don't own a PS3 too. I'm poorer than you! Haha
[4:55] <exo-squad> i had a 360
[4:55] <exo-squad> but it died
[4:55] <exo-squad> that was heaven for piracy
[4:55] <timofonic> My last console was a Wii :P
[4:55] * exo-squad is scared everytime he says piracy therere will be some kind of ban
[4:56] <timofonic> And it was a gift!
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[4:56] <exo-squad> timofonic, do you have a lot of time, would you like to make lots of extra money and buy gift cards to your favorite shopping sites. msg me and ill tell you how!
[4:56] <timofonic> I hate closed systems. The older I get, the more I hate them and wish them to be cracked and emulated ASAP :P
[4:56] <exo-squad> (sells himself but in a msg so its oikay)
[4:57] <exo-squad> i was given an ipad mini 2
[4:57] <exo-squad> and i hate the shiut out of it
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[5:31] <timofonic> Are there some way to add a ps/2 port to rpi3 so I can use my IBM Model M keyboard? ps/2 is basically a serial port, right?
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[5:31] <timofonic> But may I loss Bluetooth?
[5:32] <timofonic> I hate this cheapo usb keyboard. My hands are in pain
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[5:33] <timofonic> I need mechanical or mechanical-like keyboards. I push the keyboards keys too strong all time and that damages my hands on weak keys...
[5:33] <timofonic> with
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[5:40] <timofonic> https://www.deater.net/weave/vmwprod/hardware/pi-ps2
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[5:47] <timofonic> I also wonder if the driver is inclused in the upstream Linux kernel :(
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[5:51] <plugwash> There exist active PS/2 to USB adaptors. You can usually tell them apart from the passive ones because they have two PS/2 sockets, unfortunately some of them are crap.
[5:51] <exo-squad> i have a ps2 to usb adapter right in front of me
[5:51] <plugwash> I have had reasonable luck with the startech one https://www.startech.com/uk/Cables/USB-2.0/USB-Adapters/USB-to-PS2-Adapter-Keyboard-and-Mouse~USBPS2PC
[5:52] <exo-squad> i have one that i used to use on a laptop with a mouse/kb
[5:53] <exo-squad> i have a ton of green ones
[5:53] <exo-squad> i dont rmemeber where i got them from, but i got like a few dozen
[5:54] <plugwash> In my experiance the ones that only have a single PS/2 connector are simply passive wiring adapters. So they will only work if the keyboard/mouse is new enough to be dual-mode.
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[5:56] <exo-squad> is it the kb/mouse that needs to suppport it or the drivers in the OS
[5:58] <plugwash> for a passive wiring adapter it is the keyboard/mouse that needs to support it. The keyboard/mouse needs to detect that what it is connected to is in fact a USB port not a PS/2 port and configure itself accordingly.
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[6:03] <timofonic> plugwash: What about ps to bluetooth?
[6:03] <timofonic> ps/2 to bluetooth
[6:04] <timofonic> the green ones are passive, they are useless for pure ps/2 leyboards. I tested it :P
[6:04] <timofonic> https://sites.google.com/site/mincepi/m2pi
[6:04] <timofonic> I prefer the DIY way. I have "collected" a bunch of electronic components over time...
[6:06] <timofonic> I think yhe KMK/qmq PROJECT HAS A diy PS/2 TO USB adapter. But I need to buy a teensy or something like that. I would prefer to use bluetooth, so I can avoid cables. I'm currently sick and at bed most of the time, so it would make things easier...
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[6:13] <timofonic> https://www.seanet.com/~karllunt/bareRasPi.html
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[6:24] <timofonic> https://github.com/mmoller2k/pikeyd
[6:27] <timofonic> Full project but interesting... https://github.com/BG2CRW/CoopBoard
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[6:30] <timofonic> Arduino... https://github.com/LSChyi/Bluetooth-keyboard-adapter
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[6:37] <timofonic> No cheao shit, but interesting... http://handheldsci.com/kb
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[6:43] <timofonic> out of stock... https://learn.adafruit.com/convert-your-model-m-keyboard-to-bluetooth-with-bluefruit-ez-key-hid/
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[7:11] <Zardoz> awesome I will get my RPI 3B+ on monday
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[7:44] <phinxy> How far does a dhcp network boot request packet travel? When it arrives at a router - would that need to be configured to relay the request to the server with the boot and filesystems?
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[8:20] <phinxy> Is there a filesystem that makes sdcard booting more robust? Perhaps some kind of raid, where a error could automatically be fixed.
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[8:41] <MarkusJ> phinxy: what is a dhcp network boot request packet?
[8:41] <MarkusJ> could you mean a wake-on-lan packet?
[8:41] <phinxy> MarkusJ• Could it be 'PXE' network boot?
[8:42] <phinxy> The rpi sends a dhcp message upstreams and asks for something to boot off
[8:43] <Zardoz> phinxy: in theory as long as it's routed and makes it to it's destination.
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[8:44] <phinxy> Zardoz• If any of the nodes in between the rpi and boot server is not a linux computer or something thats configureable the dhcp message most likely will not make it.
[8:44] <phinxy> I assume
[8:45] <Zardoz> phinxy: SDcards already have error correcting and remapping. as for RIAD that would be more hardware and/or OS capability's
[8:47] <Zardoz> phinxy: dhcp is not os dependent.
[8:47] <phinxy> I'm not going to have a router running Windows
[8:48] <MarkusJ> so you want to remotely load an OS using pxe or just power on the device?
[8:48] <Zardoz> but you might have a DHCP server running on windows. DHCP does not have to run on a router
[8:48] <MarkusJ> because for powering there is wake-on-lan
[8:51] <ali1234> dhcp uses broadcast packets so it is not routed by default
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[8:58] <MarkusJ> nodes on the network have to be configured to forward dhcp
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[9:11] <standAlone__> hey guys, I encountered a problem, can't find a solution online
[9:12] <Greg-J> standAlone__, it would be helpful if you told us what the problem is.
[9:12] <standAlone__> this happens when I run apt-get update, don't know if ti's because something I done
[9:12] <standAlone__> Error installing application: Error during installation E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/i18n/Translation-en BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC) E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[9:12] <standAlone__> wait
[9:12] <standAlone__> not this one, wrong paste
[9:13] <standAlone__> Ign:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
[9:13] <standAlone__> Hit:2 http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian stretch InRelease
[9:13] <standAlone__> Get:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch Release [118 kB]
[9:13] <standAlone__> Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian stretch InRelease
[9:13] <standAlone__> Get:5 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch Release.gpg [2,434 B]
[9:13] <standAlone__> Hit:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:13] <standAlone__> Ign:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:13] <standAlone__> Hit:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en
[9:13] <standAlone__> Ign:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en
[9:13] <standAlone__> Hit:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:14] <standAlone__> Ign:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:14] <standAlone__> Hit:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en
[9:14] <standAlone__> Ign:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en
[9:14] <standAlone__> Ign:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:14] <standAlone__> Err:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en
[9:14] <standAlone__> BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC)
[9:14] <standAlone__> Ign:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/main armhf Packages
[9:14] <standAlone__> Fetched 120 kB in 12s (9,407 B/s)
[9:14] <standAlone__> Reading package lists... Done
[9:14] <standAlone__> E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/i18n/Translation-en BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC)
[9:14] <standAlone__> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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[9:14] <standAlone__> this "failed to fetch" problem
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[9:16] <Greg-J> failed to fetch can be a number of issues.
[9:17] <standAlone__> this happened after I try to install deluged and made a few changes to some file, I followed this instruction: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/59435/how-to-use-stretch-testing-packages
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[9:18] <standAlone__> I also altered sources.list, maybe that's why?
[9:19] <Greg-J> That's a good place to start.
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[9:20] <standAlone__> this is my sources.list:
[9:20] <standAlone__> #deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch main contrib non-free rpi
[9:20] <standAlone__> # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
[9:20] <standAlone__> #deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch main contrib non-free rpi
[9:20] <standAlone__> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main
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[9:24] <yang> Is "Raspberry Pi Sense HAT" compatible with 3B+ ?
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[9:33] <standAlone__> I change it to default, and what you know, it works.
[9:33] <standAlone__> thanks, guys.
[9:33] <Zardoz> yang: it should be. bo change to the pin outs or the way it works
[9:34] <standAlone__> don't mess up .list , lesson learned.
[9:36] <yang> "bo change to the pin outs or the way it works" ?
[9:36] <Zardoz> no
[9:36] <yang> what do you mean ?
[9:37] <Zardoz> ok you know the 40 pin headder?
[9:37] <yang> yes
[9:37] <Zardoz> no change
[9:38] <yang> Zardoz: do you have 3B+ and Sense HAT ? And did you try fitting it on ?
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[9:38] <yang> Because I cannot find any specifications that it would be compatible with 3B+
[9:38] <Zardoz> I will monday, but let me get you that info\
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[9:51] <Zardoz> I cant find it now, basically nothing has changed but just the layout of some of the chips on the board. they do not interfere with hats. they only thing that will have issues are cases that expect chips in specific locations.
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[9:51] <yang> ok thank you
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[9:52] <Zardoz> the size of the PCB and GPIO pins and the location is the same
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[9:55] <mfa298> the one issue the 3B+ might have with a few hats is if the poe header got in the way of something on the underside of a hat, but that could be fixed by increasing the gap between pi and hat
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[9:56] <Zardoz> true, but most hats dont do that. it would be very limited.
[9:57] <Zardoz> plus I guess you could just cut them off as you would not use them if you had a hat on it.
[9:57] <Zardoz> that got in the way.
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[9:58] <Zardoz> I am sure they was aware of thaat in the design.
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[10:02] <Zardoz> nice OC and performance video on 3B and 3B+ from eta prime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9TdIQom8o
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[10:10] <Zardoz> cool the Pibow case works with the B+
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[11:31] <GrandPa-G> I need help from an electronics expert. I have been given a Agilent 34970A instrument that measures things like voltage and temperature. I want to know if I can connect the OUT side of a GPIO pin to this device and record the voltage as the pin is switched HIGH/LOW. Do I need any extra circuit in between to prevent any damage to either component?
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[11:43] <plugwash> GrandPa-G, it seems that the 34970A is a modular instrument, do you know what (if any) modules are installed?
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[11:45] <GrandPa-G> plugwash:a 34901A 20 channel multiplexer
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[11:56] <plugwash> All seems fine to me, assuming you plan to use the multiplexer module to send the signal from the pi to the internal dmm.
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[12:16] <GrandPa-G> plugwash:thanks. That's what I thought as well be I know software, those pesky electrons drive me nuts.
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[12:45] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[12:45] <ShapeShifter499> what arm version is the Pi Zero ?
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[12:46] <zproc> hey
[12:47] <plugwash> same as the original Pi, an armv6 ariant (I forgot exactly which subfamily)
[12:47] <Lartza> Z
[12:48] <clickboom> isn't there something funny going on with it and armv7, or am i imagining that?
[12:48] <Lartza> ?
[12:48] <BurtyB> the pi2 *was* armv7 iirc
[12:49] <Lartza> yes
[12:49] <zproc> yes zero is ARMv6Z
[12:50] <ShapeShifter499> I want to run a Linux variant that will be supported on it the longest
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[12:51] <tvm> ShapeShifter499, just use Raspbian
[12:52] <ShapeShifter499> The last time I used Debian I had all sorts of issues when trying to go from one release to the other
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[12:52] <mfa298> Raspbian is the best bet on most of the Pi boards as they've spent a lot of time optimising it.
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[12:53] <mfa298> Quite a lot of generic Arm releases for Linux don't support the ARM6 chips at all
[12:53] <tvm> it's not worth trying to get other stuff to work correctly on RPI
[12:53] <Lartza> ShapeShifter499, Why do you need long support if you are upgrading?
[12:54] <tvm> we use raspbian even in commercial product here and it works perfectly
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[12:56] <zproc> any idea if there is anything i can try to get back some data from a Zero microSD that apparently "failed" out of nowhere? On a linux box, it seems to appear as /dev/sdd but for instance "parted /dev/sdd" can't "see"/find it...
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[12:56] <ShapeShifter499> Lartza: long support in the case of supporting the architecture the longest with security fixes and updates
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[12:57] <zproc> ShapeShifter499: Yeah i'd advise to go with Raspbian too... it will be a gamble with others
[12:57] <Lartza> Right, that fits Raspbian
[12:57] <Lartza> But ugprading to a newer release resets the support term so your query is a bit weird in that sense
[12:57] <ShapeShifter499> do you think I'll have issues between major releases?
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[12:58] <ShapeShifter499> My aim with all of my devices is to have the latest firmware/OS/software possible for security
[12:58] <treym> lol
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[12:59] <mfa298> how many times do you want us to say - "Use Raspbian"
[13:00] <ShapeShifter499> lol I got it
[13:00] <ShapeShifter499> I'm just worried that a whole lot of things will "break" between major releases
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[13:01] <ShapeShifter499> When I ran standard debian, everything was great until I tried to go from 6.0 Squeeze to 7.0 Wheezy
[13:01] <zproc> You could try a rolling distro and have stuff break with each minor update :p
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[13:01] <mfa298> things will change between major releases, but that's why you test stuff before rolling out.
[13:01] <Lartza> zproc, I don't have such issues
[13:01] <zproc> Lartza: i was mostly kidding :)
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[13:02] <mfa298> you're going to get that on any distro. But most other things suitable for the Pi are either based on raspbian, or they take the changes made in raspbian and apply them at some later point to their own distro
[13:04] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: how should I test?
[13:05] <ShapeShifter499> well I suppose on PI is easier, but on a laptop it's a bit harder unless you take full system backups
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[13:06] <ShapeShifter499> regard me as a noob... lol
[13:06] <my123> hi
[13:06] <my123> will the OpenGL driver be available for Pi1? the option just doesn't show up for it
[13:06] <mfa298> Well the traditional way for a business would be to have several systems that you can play with, break and work out how to fix. If it's a personal Pi then either just get a new SD card and use a new OS Image or upgrade and see what breaks and then fix it.
[13:07] <mfa298> You learn most in the finding what's broken and trying to fix it stage
[13:07] <Lartza> my123, ?
[13:08] <my123> Lartza, the desktop GL one
[13:08] <Lartza> Still lost
[13:09] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: that's what I thought, for a pi I can see it being a bit easier. But I don't have the money when it comes to messing on my laptop lol
[13:09] <my123> oh I see, should I choose fake KMS?
[13:09] <ShapeShifter499> real pain in the ass when things break on my main systems
[13:09] <Lartza> my123, I mean I still don't get what you mean or want
[13:10] <my123> Lartza, desktop OpenGL
[13:10] <Lartza> That makes no sense
[13:10] <my123> which is provided by the new driver stack and works on Pi2 fine
[13:10] <Lartza> Just "opengl" alone made some more sense
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[13:10] <zproc> The experimental OpenGL driver thing (haven't looked into it)...
[13:11] <zproc> ShapeShifter499: with a RPi SDcard it's quite easy to back it up... image it and it's ready to be flashed again when things break
[13:12] <Lartza> Why does raspi-config give so little...
[13:12] <zproc> Well... just an example, ShapeShifter499, there are other ways...
[13:12] <my123> the GUI has also less options
[13:13] <Lartza> my123, What do you mean the option doesn't show?
[13:13] <Lartza> You can't see Full KMS in raspi-config?
[13:16] <my123> Lartza, nevermind, didn't show in the GUI but worked via CLI
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[14:01] <elektrinis> hello
[14:02] <elektrinis> I am looking for rpi-compatible capacitive IPS LCD ~5.5-5"
[14:02] <elektrinis> anyone can recommend?
[14:02] <elektrinis> would this work without the board? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pins-5-5-inch-2560x1440-2K-LCD-with-mipi-Driver-board-for-DIY-Virtual-Reality/32828918033.html
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[17:08] <ericus> did anyone get the new 3B+?
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[17:08] <BurtyB> yes
[17:08] <Lartza> Is there an actual question behind that question?
[17:09] <ericus> me too, just about to test it
[17:10] <treym> ericus,just be sure to use the stretch release from March
[17:11] <ericus> Why? How would I tell which one I got?
[17:12] <Habbie> you can tell from the file name
[17:12] <Habbie> if it's too old you can also upgrade using another pi i bet
[17:12] <treym> no .. this is not related to an update
[17:13] <treym> I have 10 rpi3 that I upgrade to rpi3+ .. so yes , I tested
[17:14] <treym> some sdcard will work . other wont ..
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[17:26] <Emil> Hey
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[17:26] <Emil> Anyone run into an issue where ssh freezes after some random amount of time, (running in screen), then pressing enter a couple of times and waiting for some time and we are back in action
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[17:27] <clickboom> sounds like issues with network or ssh client device.
[17:27] <Habbie> or swap memory
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[17:28] <stiv> or a multi-tasking OS with something more interesting going on
[17:28] <Habbie> network issues would usually manifest as the session suddenly realising it is dead when you hit that enter key
[17:30] <ShapeShifter499> is there tidy plug out there for powering 4 pi zeros at once?
[17:30] <ericus> I just finished printing a case for the new one, you like? https://cloud.ericus.se/index.php/s/ElHdvIka8i8vzL7
[17:30] <ShapeShifter499> I'm imagining a wall-wart style plug at one end with a split of micro usb at the other end
[17:31] <ericus> treym what dist are you talking about?
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[17:31] <treym> raspbian stretch
[17:31] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, Anker has a nice 5 port usb thing and they sell cables in various lengths
[17:32] <ericus> treym ah okay, I dont use raspbian
[17:32] <ShapeShifter499> Habbie: that has a 'brick' at the plug end doesn't it?
[17:32] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, there is another cable between the brick and your wall socket
[17:32] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, at least on the one i bought
[17:32] <ShapeShifter499> one brick or tower with the ports... No I'm trying to go for space saving
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[17:34] <ShapeShifter499> I'm talking about something like this https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Charger/dp/B00MARDJZ4 but with more micro usb at the end
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[17:34] <ShapeShifter499> should be possible but I don't want to bodge up some diy solution
[17:34] <Habbie> right
[17:35] <ShapeShifter499> Habbie: is that what you were talking about?
[17:35] <Habbie> hmm?
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[17:48] <ShapeShifter499> Habbie: the anker product
[17:48] <Habbie> no
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[18:12] <r3> yeah I got one of these recently: http://a.co/ekGkpQi and it works great - I had three Pi plugged into it at one point
[18:13] <r3> I had meant to put it on the scope to see how smooth the power was, but forgot and now it lives in a "charging station" for all my wife's electronicals
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[18:14] <ShapeShifter499> r3: smooth power? is that going to be a problem for the Pi Zero?
[18:15] <r3> shouldn't be any more than it was for the 2 or 3
[18:16] <ShapeShifter499> I never worked with the 2 or 3
[18:16] <ShapeShifter499> the zero is my first pi
[18:17] <r3> what you want to avoid are things like phone chargers or similar, they just don't put out as much power or as clean of power as something like that CanaKit adapter will. I am a big fan of CanaKit stuff and have been running Pi from them non-stop for years now.
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[18:18] <r3> that anker is super small and would work great for a small stack of Zeros
[18:18] <r3> the main "unclean" bit will be all the cables, but with some creative cable management you can get it tidy
[18:19] <ShapeShifter499> ok
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[18:21] <r3> you'll be fine. If it's your first, I love the CanaKit starter kits
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[18:38] <ShapeShifter499> are there any USB benchmarks for the pi zero?
[18:39] <BurtyB> yes
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[18:59] <Voop> what i wanna do: when a module gets a 24v signal, it sends an email or text message
[18:59] <Voop> would this be easy to do with a pi
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[18:59] <r3> 24V best use a relay
[18:59] <Voop> i was thinking a buck converter. but a relay would probably be better
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[19:00] <r3> but sure, super easy to set it up so that when a pin goes high on the Pi, it triggers an action, really common use for them really
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[19:01] <Voop> would email and text be a fairly simple action
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> Voop, do you already have a 24v supply?
[19:02] <Voop> would i need to connect a voip service or something
[19:02] <Voop> no
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[19:02] <Voop> well, yes actually
[19:03] <Voop> i'd be tapping into a 24v indicator light for the signal
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> and you want to sense that in a Pi?
[19:04] <Voop> yeah
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> ok. use an opto isolator. That will electrically separate the Pi from the signal.
[19:04] <Voop> i was thinking just do 24v supply > buck converter to 3v > pi
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> if you want a direct connection the just use 2 resistors.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> work out the values for a resistor divider and off you go.
[19:05] <Voop> why use an opto isolator rather than a relay
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> email is easy, text message harder - but there are many solutions, one is plugging in a 2/3/4/g modem with sim card, or subscribing to some web -> text services.
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> why use a relay.
[19:06] <Voop> v0v
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> so ..
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> it seems to me that you're not that experienced with electronics - so an opto isolator is the safest option.
[19:07] <Voop> text messaging would require a subscription based service wouldnt it
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> if you trust a more direct connection then use 2 resistors. don't faff about with relays or bucks.
[19:07] <Voop> aka perpetual cost
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> yes. texts are not free. at least no in my country.
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[19:08] <r3> you can use e-mail to send texts
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> ..if you pay for an email to text service.
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> there are many online -> text services, many ways, some use a dedicated API, some can bridge via email, some a simple web POST, and so on.
[19:09] <r3> well, for instance, my cell phone has AT&T, so it is just number@txt.att.net
[19:09] <Voop> texts wouldnt exactly be mandatory but the system in place now can send them
[19:09] <d0rm0us3> or try email to number@carrier.com
[19:09] <Voop> however the system in place costs like $900 and i feel like this can be done cheaper
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> why bother if you already have it ..
[19:10] <Voop> the company i work for sells the equiptment with our systems
[19:10] <Voop> not a lot of room for profit @ $900 a pop
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> $900 isn't a lot to pay for a relaiable proven and tested system.
[19:13] <ericus> upon boot I only see a lot of colors, like a rainbow, and the symbol for low power though I'm using a original 2.5A adapter. Any ideas why?
[19:13] <Voop> but if i can make one that also works for $50 i can sell them for $200 and make $150 per
[19:13] <ericus> the new one
[19:13] <Voop> and the person buying it saves $700
[19:13] <Voop> everyone wins. until my pi based version fails
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> ericus, a rainbow square is part of the boot process, but the low power lightning bolt icon ... I'd try another PSU.
[19:13] <Voop> then maybe i can sell them another one
[19:14] <BurtyB> ericus, are you using an old SD with a pi3+
[19:14] <ericus> gordonDrogon the PSU is a original one from the older 3B
[19:14] <Voop> sd card problem
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> ericus, so a 3b+ ?
[19:17] <treym> ericus, you need to flash the sdcard again with the latest raspbian strecth release ..
[19:17] <ericus> not running raspbian
[19:18] <treym> then you are blocked
[19:18] <treym> thanks the rpi foundation for that
[19:18] <Voop> yeah you need to re-flash whatever image you are using
[19:18] <ericus> crap
[19:19] <treym> .. and there is no explanation for the bug
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[19:19] <Voop> i think on first boot things get changed that are only compatible with that particular pi
[19:19] <mfa298> ericus: AIUI you need recent firmware and kernel for the 3b+, as the power management changed the firmware needs to support the new thing
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> if youre putting an SD from a v3 into v3+ then it's not the foundation that's specifically at fault, it's the people who supply the kernel & bootloader for your chosen distro who haven't had time to upgrade their things yet.
[19:20] <treym> Voop, i upgraded my build farm yesterday ... 1 sdcard out of 8 booted corretcly in the rpib3+
[19:20] <ericus> guess I'll have to wait a while then
[19:20] <treym> I use jessie and strecth and I found no pattern in the failed boot issue
[19:20] <BurtyB> ericus, go look at wherever you got your distro from ?
[19:21] <Voop> interesting
[19:21] <ericus> BurtyB yes, fresh download
[19:26] <Jekotia> My raspberry pi 2B keeps showing the lightning bolt symbol on screen, despite it not pulling anywhere near the PSU's max current. I've measured it. Defective pi?
[19:27] <Voop> what psu are you using
[19:28] <Jekotia> The charger that shipped with the original Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. My phone pulls 1 amp from it. The pi never pulls more than 0.5 amps
[19:29] <Jekotia> Consistent 5v
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[19:29] <TheCryptek> Anyone here good with web development?
[19:30] <ericus> Jekotia, I had that issue. It was caused by a cheap USB cable
[19:30] <mfa298> Jekotia: it could also be your USB cable, as you draw more current more voltage will be dropped over the cable (which may not be an issue charging a tablet, but is for running a Pi)
[19:31] <ericus> I tried like 4-5 different cables until it worked out
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[19:31] <Jekotia> What if I'm using the same cable for phone and pi? Could that still be the case?
[19:32] <ericus> could be
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[19:33] <ericus> you're welcome..
[19:33] <TheCryptek> Well
[19:33] <TheCryptek> I'll thank you for him :P
[19:33] <Voop> yeah pi's are really choosy about cables
[19:33] <Voop> in my experience
[19:34] <BurtyB> poor cables are poor cables
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[19:35] <TheCryptek> I know I'm using an old phone charger that is barely working cuzz my original power supply went out and I cant afford to buy another
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[19:36] <stiv> "Stop using cheap phone chargers" should be in the topic
[19:36] <mfa298> for charging the phone battery it's not going to be as choosey about the voltage as long as it's high enoguh for charge. And at the point of peak current the battery would be close to dead so doesn't need such a high voltage.
[19:37] <TheCryptek> I know :P
[19:37] <ericus> I got one Pi hooked to my TV in the bedroom, think it's 1A out. Tried older Samsung cables, the icon still appeared. A newer one fixed it.
[19:37] <mfa298> as the pi draws more current it still needs the voltage to stay steady
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[19:37] <TheCryptek> Yep, but its doing fairly well with my work around till I can afford a new power supply fo rit
[19:37] <TheCryptek> for it*
[19:38] <Jekotia> I must have forgotten I had this; when looking for another cable I found a CanaKit 2.5A charger that shipped with my pi
[19:38] <Jekotia> It booted noticably faster, so I'm guessing it is an improvement. Sadly I have no way to measure it since there's no USB A for me to insert the meter in between
[19:39] <TheCryptek> Anyways, does anyone here have php-html experience and is familiar with screenfetch?
[19:40] <Jekotia> Going to try a USB SSD again with a powered hub. I'll be back (my pi is my IRC)
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[19:40] <ericus> I'm gonna have to try raspbian just to know that my device is not DOA
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[19:43] <ericus> Should I choose NOOBS or just Raspian?
[19:43] <ericus> release date for Raspian was 13th of mars
[19:43] <Habbie> ericus, use raspbian
[19:43] <ericus> and noobs 14th
[19:44] <mfa298> I've seen little point for NOOBs, raspbian is just as easy to get going without NOOBS
[19:44] <Habbie> i found noobs convenient for toying around with 3 OSes on a day
[19:44] <Habbie> and it has the fringe benefit that you can format as FAT
[19:44] <Habbie> which in very rare situations helps people
[19:44] <ericus> just gonna use it for testing
[19:45] <Habbie> go raspbian
[19:45] <ericus> until other distros upgrades
[19:45] <ericus> okay then :)
[19:45] <Habbie> i suspect other distros will just work if you take /boot from raspbian, btw
[19:45] <Habbie> but start simple :)
[19:46] <ericus> oh, I'll try that
[19:46] <Habbie> try that second
[19:46] <Habbie> when you know your box is not DOA :)
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[19:47] <ericus> so whats the deal with old/new SD-cards?
[19:47] <ericus> how would I determin that?
[19:47] <mfa298> you might also need to copy over /lib/modules/(current kernel) and maybe /lib/firmware as well
[19:47] <Habbie> i'd say the timestamps in /boot should be helpful
[19:47] <Habbie> mfa298, ah yes
[19:48] <Habbie> mfa298, but you can do plenty without modules, right?
[19:48] <Habbie> none of the modules i have loaded look like they were required for booting to a login prompt
[19:49] <mfa298> firmware might be more important, especially if you want the wifi to work - it doesn't change as much, but you might not have the firmware for the new wifi on an old image
[19:49] <Habbie> sure
[19:49] <Habbie> i'm assuming keyboard+monitor here as first step
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[19:51] <mfa298> but for a simple DoA test, latest raspbian on a clean SD is probably the best test - if that doesn't work and psu etc are good then it's likely DoA, if a bodged system doesn't work you don't know if it's DoA or you missed something
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[19:52] <Habbie> yes
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[19:56] <Voop> if it was doa would it even make it to the rainbow screen
[19:57] <Habbie> no
[19:57] <Habbie> well, depends on where exactly it is dead
[19:57] <Habbie> but i think even the rainbow screen already needs something from the SD?
[19:57] <Voop> yeah if the sdcard slot was broken
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[19:57] <Voop> but other than that...
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[19:58] <Voop> iirc one of my pi's won't even hdmi handshake without a functioning image
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[20:01] <ericus> flashing newest version of raspian now
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[20:06] <ericus> boots up perfectly
[20:07] <ericus> guess I'll just have to wait for other distros to update
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[20:07] <Habbie> ah
[20:07] <Habbie> glad to hear your pi works
[20:09] <BurtyB> ericus, which distro are you having problems with?
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[20:09] <Voop> ericus: try your normal distro
[20:09] <ericus> Kali Linux
[20:09] <Voop> if it doesnt work send a strongly worded email to the person who maintains it
[20:10] <BurtyB> lol
[20:10] <Lartza> Can I send a strongly worded email to the Kali maintainer even if it does work?
[20:11] <Lartza> "Please, stop"
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[20:40] <shbrngdo> doing a couple of kernel drivers for the RPi on FreeBSD. still just as confused NOW as I was a week ago. Trying to make the 'gpioshutdown' module _ALSO_ turn the power LED off, so you can see when it's safe to power off the device. It's being a pain in my butt
[20:41] <shbrngdo> The problem isn't that I can't hard-code it, but I _won't_ hard code it. Gotta "discover" the correct LED pins and turn 'em all off.
[20:41] <Habbie> nice idea
[20:41] <Habbie> does raspbian do that?
[20:41] <shbrngdo> it does, I think, as part of the Linux kernel behavior. I did a bug to FBSD and one person specifically kept saying how it was bad for "other arm devices" and I'm like "just put it into the RPi kernel" and nothing for over a year. i even gave them a patch [though it had a bug in it]
[20:42] <shbrngdo> so I'm building a 'port' for it and want to add the LED feature so the lights turn off.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, the pi 3 power led isn't on the gpio connected AFAIK
[20:42] <shbrngdo> it's just being a pain in my butt because of how the 'led' device works internally [yeah getting THAT changed would be like working with a government]
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[20:43] <shbrngdo> I'm just working with Pi 1 and 2 right now. But yeah Pi 3 being different hardware, I'd discover it using the DTD info
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> there is some other gpio expander chip on-board from what I gather, but I gave up at that point.
[20:43] <shbrngdo> and there's the hard part: finding out where in the kernel the DTD info is defined, what the official structure is for a gpio pin on the LED, etc.
[20:44] * gordonDrogon doesn't really care for that, but...
[20:44] <shbrngdo> someplace the Pi 3 must be documented
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[20:44] <shbrngdo> so if there's an IO pin number, and a way to map it to an actual pin, that's all I need
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I do not think that's how it works.
[20:44] <shbrngdo> I've got the "access the pin" part nailed down. the rest is just wading through the 'open hardware bureaucracy'
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> there is another gpio expander chip on an internal i2c bus or directly off the gpu.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> at least that's what I understood.
[20:45] <shbrngdo> oh ok. I'll have to look at whether or not there's an LED device for it.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> it's not one of the 56 gpio pins.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> the kernel can control the ACT led, so maybe look at that code to figure it out?
[20:45] <shbrngdo> on the Pi 1 it's pin 16 - on the 2 it's pins 37 and 47 [I think that's right
[20:46] <shbrngdo> 'act' LED would do fine. that's the pin 47 one
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> yes, I know.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> on the 3, it's not on that connector.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> rather not on that gpio interface.
[20:46] <shbrngdo> well, I'm thinking more in terms of what pin # you specify when you muck with it, heh
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> you don't.
[20:46] <shbrngdo> don't?
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> either I'm not explaining it or you're not comprehending it.
[20:47] <shbrngdo> well, I'm able to flip the activity light on and off under FBSD - maybe linux blocks it
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> the pi has 56 gpio pins and neither the ACR not power LEDs are connected to them on the Pi v3.
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> on a v3?
[20:47] <shbrngdo> oh ok on a V2 I meant. 'activity' may be different as well on 3, but I thought you said it was on a kernel controlled IO pin
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> sure - but that doesn't mean the ARM can see it - it might be at the end of the i2c bus, or controlled by the gpu.
[20:48] <shbrngdo> the details behind how the drivers work is completely different between FBSD and Linux
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> so arm talk to gpu and gpu noodles the led.
[20:48] <shbrngdo> right - so there pretty much has to be some device driver available to make that work.
[20:48] <shbrngdo> so you find the device driver, call the 'noodle' API and voila
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[20:49] <shbrngdo> assuming that the IO state is such that you CAN do that without a hang or crash
[20:49] <shbrngdo> during shutdown, odd things stop being available
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> so the place to look is in the kernel where it re-maps the act led to many different funcrions - sd access, heartbeat, on/off, etc.
[20:49] <shbrngdo> what I am attempting to do is catch the shutdown process right before it says "ok to turn off" and "press any key to reboot"
[20:49] <shbrngdo> at that point a poweroff won't screw your SD card up and force an fsck
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> fbsd corrupts the sd card?
[20:50] <ali1234> turning the power off without unmounted corrupts any filesystem
[20:50] <shbrngdo> but at least turning all regular GPIO pins into inputs works perfectly [its original function]. That way the ATX Raspi board can detect shut down and power it off.
[20:51] <shbrngdo> ali1234 - ack - and I want a headless system
[20:51] <ali1234> it doesn;t matter whether you use linux, freebsd, or windows
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[20:51] <ali1234> it also doesn't matter what filesystem you use
[20:51] <shbrngdo> the idea is to let people know somehow [and/or equipment] that it's ok to do a poweroff. power LED goes out, activity light blinks, whatever
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, oddly enough, I know about pulling the plug, but here I'm under the impression that a shutdown in fbsd corrupts the SD card. I may be mis-interpretering though.
[20:51] <ali1234> and it especially doesn't matter what type of disk you use. the problem is not solved by using a USB flash drive for example
[20:52] <ali1234> although many many people make that claim
[20:52] <shbrngdo> actually a _partial_ shutdown possibly corrupts it
[20:52] <ali1234> it is sadly completely misinformed
[20:52] <ali1234> shbrngdo: ah yes. under linux it does do that. it blinks the LED 10 times
[20:52] <shbrngdo> I've been running FBSD on an RPi using the older gpioshutdown module to indicate that it's safe to power off to an external device (the ATX Raspi) which then powers off the RPi
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, under the foundation linux kernel after you do a halt the led blinks 10 times.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> that's when it's safe to pull the plug.
[20:53] <shbrngdo> that's what I'm talking about, yeah
[20:53] <shbrngdo> I might consider telling the LED driver to "blink it" if I can get away with it. Thing is, you have to make the driver do something that doesn't work well in a 'shutdown' condition
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> I did a hack once that monitored the serial Tx line. it goes low when it's safe to power down.
[20:54] <shbrngdo> in Linux, the pins all turn into inputs. that's what my kernel module does, too
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[20:54] <shbrngdo> so with the exception of the ones that have pullup resistors in them (the I2C pins, specifically) you can put a pull up/down resistor on it, and then sense it going high when an "on" condition stays low [for example]
[20:55] <shbrngdo> anyway the ATXRaspi board has scripts for that. It's not really expensive and I could roll my own clone if I wanted to
[20:55] * shbrngdo isn't associated with them, just used their board with some embedded devices that used an RPi
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[20:56] <shbrngdo> probably someone [by now] has a hat for that
[20:56] <ali1234> for what?
[20:56] <shbrngdo> acting like an ATX power button
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[20:56] <shbrngdo> press to turn on, hold to turn off or reboot. that kind of thing
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[20:57] <ali1234> i dont know of a hat that does that
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[20:57] <ali1234> plenty of boards
[20:57] <shbrngdo> right, exactly
[20:57] <ali1234> variable quality though
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I built one that does that once.
[20:57] <shbrngdo> I think the one I found was one of the first, and I haven't had any troubles with it
[20:58] <shbrngdo> I would've built the circuitry for that but buying was cheaper for the customer
[20:58] <shbrngdo> $15 vs "my time" at $$ per hour
[20:58] * shbrngdo did a 'bed of nails' tester for circuit boards using RPi
[20:58] <ali1234> building one that works properly without causing a massive power drop on the already margin USB voltage, and also has decent drivers... tricky
[20:58] <shbrngdo> it's amazing what you can do with a shell script
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[20:59] <shbrngdo> well the 'drivers' in this case consists of a shell script. I basically adapted it for FreeBSD and then made the kernel module so that the pin behavior matched Linux
[21:00] <shbrngdo> this was over a year ago... and I reported the bug, and got some discussion but no action. This because ONE arm-based device needed the pins to stay as-is. i guess the openwrt device in question was more important
[21:00] <Voop> i have two boards that handle power on/off for rpi's
[21:00] <Voop> the atxraspi and one by a company called mausberry
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[21:00] <shbrngdo> ack - how many IO pins does the mausberry one require?
[21:00] <Voop> two i believe
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> do fbsd people use the Pi's gpio then?
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[21:01] <Voop> only OFF is handled by gpio
[21:01] <shbrngdo> GPIO is different in FBSD. I don't know of a lot of people using FBSD for RPi and so I'm sort of promoting it by a) fixing the problems, and b) setting up a web page
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> why is it different?
[21:01] <shbrngdo> no /sys vars
[21:01] <shbrngdo> it's an IOCTL-based metho
[21:01] <my123> https://github.com/fenlogic/IDE_trial
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> that's not an inconvenience.
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[21:02] <shbrngdo> but there's a fast program 'gpioctl' that lets you set them with a shell script.
[21:02] <my123> interesting
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[21:02] <shbrngdo> you can also use the '/dev/mem' method as far as I know. I haven't tested it
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[21:03] <shbrngdo> the best thing about FreeBSD is it will *NEVER* *HAVE* *SYSTEMD* in it
[21:03] <my123> 44MByte/sec is still faster than USB
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, maybe I'll port wiringPi.
[21:03] <Voop> yeah two. looks like this https://i.imgur.com/gfRBKPU.png
[21:03] <shbrngdo> wiringPi may not need porting at all.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> my123, ask gert what the cpu load is for PIO mode - it used to cripple x86's.
[21:04] <shbrngdo> but if you do a port for it let me know
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> then again, it'll just attract the arduino crowd and I get enough hassle from them already )-:
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[21:06] <my123> gordonDrogon, yeah, I see that he left the PCB schematics too, maybe I'll try to build this and see why DMA doesn't work
[21:06] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon are you the author of the wiringPi library? I have heard of it but not tried it
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, yes. wiringPi is mine. it uses /dev/mem or/dev/gpiomem under Linux.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> it needs sysfs for the interrupt stuff though.
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> but I imagine that's completely different under fbsd anyway.
[21:08] <shbrngdo> I've seen that /dev/mem described, so maybe I could do the port for ya. I had considered it anyway
[21:08] <shbrngdo> there's no sysfs at all for interupts. however, I could write a kernel driver with an ioctl interface maybe...
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> maybe. I just need a 9-day week and a 30 hour day. send me to mars.
[21:09] <shbrngdo> then have it send a particular signal to your application
[21:10] <shbrngdo> I'm currently working on 2 kernel drivers. One is a framework [for spi using ioctl], the other is the gpioshutdown module [which lacks only the LED feature].
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[21:13] <shbrngdo> one thing that might help a lot is to use the issues system in github to manage all of the people who want to suggest things. then of course you'd hav to manage the bogus pull requests but it's probably less bad.
[21:14] <shbrngdo> I've gotten some interesting feedback over at one project, 'XMegaForArduino' that ports the arduino stuff to an XMega processor. it's still in an alpha-like state though, /me not having enough time
[21:15] <shbrngdo> but there are people at least trying to contribute, and occasional interest. mostly I did that one because a custome project needed it and they couldn't afford to have me develop it on their dime.
[21:15] <shbrngdo> so anyway, porting wiringPi would be a nice add-on for FBSD
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[21:22] * shbrngdo noticed that WiringPi doesn't enable 'issues'. just pointing that out, might help [or not]
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> there is no wiringPi forum, etc. and it's not hosted on github either.
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[21:32] <shbrngdo> saw that - I have the 'official' repo git-cloned. I'm just saying that about github because I store a bunch of public projects there
[21:32] <shbrngdo> and one customer project uses private github repos, and it's a good way to communicate from remote work sites
[21:33] <shbrngdo> anyway, you probably have a reason for not using github and that's cool with me. ups and downs for any given choice
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> there are 100's of forks on github though )-:
[21:34] <shbrngdo> yeah about github forks. sometimes they're necessary to snap a particular revision, or to make pull requests. I like to delete them after a while, so the system isn't clogged with them but that's me
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> I host all my stuff myself on my own servers that I own and pay for. Mostly because that's the way I've always done it.
[21:34] <shbrngdo> yeah, and hosting usually isn't that expensive. my hosting is $100/year now
[21:35] <shbrngdo> that includes vhost
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I have a spare Pi (or 2) if I'm not too tired tomorrow I'll install fbsd on one. was up at 5am today and ran a bread course too - feeling a little tired now.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I used to run an isp/hosting company...
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> and worked for one of the early UK ISPs too. (early/mid 90's)
[21:35] <shbrngdo> ah yeah so you're totally familiar. mostly i just experiment. my home office has a fixed IP and I'm running a web and DNS server on it
[21:36] <shbrngdo> but if I want "doom-and-gloom.xxx.whatever" it's easy to set up
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[21:36] <shbrngdo> low bandwidth connection so an RPi could easily manage the demand, heh
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> just make sure you give fake phone number info - ugh - last time I registered a new domain I got phone calls hourly for weeks trying to sell me domain services, website, seo, etc.
[21:37] <Lartza> I haven't had that appen, I once got a mail ad from Microsoft Azure and that's all
[21:37] <shbrngdo> use an 'anonymizer' service for an extra $20 or whatever. both my domains do that
[21:37] <DMackey> Yeah that drove me nuts also
[21:37] <Lartza> And not all domains offer anonymization unfortunately
[21:37] <shbrngdo> godaddy and verisign do
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I was unprepared for it - not having registered a new domain for a year or so.
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[21:38] <shbrngdo> yeah it HAS gotten bad. I get 'business' cold-calls on my home phone (on the 'do not call' list) way too often. I report them if I can find out who they are.
[21:38] <shbrngdo> then there are the blatant violators, that use robo-callers and "press 1 to talk to a human"
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> fortunately I also used to run a VoiP telco, so have the means to handle them.
[21:39] <shbrngdo> wow - that's awesome
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/you-are-not-the-next-caller.mp3
[21:39] <shbrngdo> here in the U.S. the callers are often overseas and spoof the source number
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> they do that in the UK too.
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[21:40] <shbrngdo> there' a web site for reporting them, 'donotcall.gov' but it's hard to get them all
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[21:41] <shbrngdo> anyway, I'm taking a look at your library and everything I see suggests that it looks a lot like the Arduino libs, enough that the code _should_ be compatible (which is a good idea)
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> it as intended to be a lot like my own arduino libs which are like the published arduino libs.
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[21:42] <shbrngdo> similar to XMegaForArduino in principle then, but I had to extend it because, the architecture is way different, _AND_ a few things needed 'fixing'
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[21:43] <shbrngdo> one of my first "fixes" was to use 'protected' rather than 'private' for class members. 'private' is just way too restrictive.
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> porting my own atmega code to the 644 in the next few days. not used one of them before.
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[21:43] <gordonDrogon> I don't use c++ either - my code is pure c.
[21:43] <shbrngdo> that's better for a lot of reasons. I totally get it.
[21:44] <shbrngdo> I didn't check - do you put the '#ifdef __cplusplus' wrappers in there?
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I had a client who wanted pure c code for the atmega ... and since I gave up c++ 20 years ago I thought that was fine...
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:44] <shbrngdo> so no problems
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[21:44] <Lartza> But + means better so ++ must be much MUC better ;)
[21:44] <shbrngdo> I got another project, an X11 toolkit, that's pure C. So I can totally identify.
[21:45] <Lartza> *MUCH
[21:45] <shbrngdo> and 'pound' is way-so-much better... not
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[21:46] <shbrngdo> I should be careful not to start a religious war on programming lingos and Micro-shaft's versions, heh
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> oh, the # symbol. Here in the UK they once mooted calling that the 'octothorpe' symbol...
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[21:46] <DMackey> Any one know where I can get something like this BUT with the USB MALE Ends on the cables? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Mainboard-9Pin-Header-to-4Port-USB-2-0-Female-Cable-PCI-Bracket-Q3V1/253377823535
[21:46] <DMackey> I want to mount an RPi inside a PC case
[21:47] <Lartza> I don't even know what that is called in finnish :P
[21:47] <shbrngdo> well I call it 'C-pound' and 'F-pound' and 'whatever-pound' based on the "go pound sand in your ass" comment commonly heard in vulgar conversation, heh
[21:47] <DMackey> lol
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[21:48] <shbrngdo> once when I was in the Navy I referred to doing air charges (air compressor building up pressure in air banks on a submarine) as "pounding air"
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[21:48] <shbrngdo> someone else called it 'packing air' - same idea
[21:48] <Lartza> Okay officially it's "lattice character" apparently but usually it's called a "stick fence"
[21:49] <shbrngdo> lessee... C 'stick fence' - still works
[21:49] <Lartza> Though stick isn't the right english word, I don't know what you call like...
[21:49] <shbrngdo> especially when the 'C' stands for 'curari tipped'
[21:49] <Lartza> twig fence maybe?
[21:49] <shbrngdo> 'stick fence' is better - it has a much more humorous double-entendre built-in
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[21:50] <Lartza> But not in finnish :P It's the word you describe little fallen branches with
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[21:50] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - do you do tarball snapshots of your repo? If I did an FBSD port, it would need one
[21:50] <Lartza> And isn't close to any humorous finnish word ;)
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[21:51] <shbrngdo> bummer.
[21:51] <shbrngdo> English has a lot of double-entendre terms available. Example, the ending sequence of the first 'Austin Powers' movie
[21:52] <Lartza> I mean if you translate stick fence back to finnish then that is more humorous, but not what the original finnish term was :P
[21:52] <shbrngdo> heh - I bet that goes over well in diplomatic circles
[21:53] <Lartza> I wonder if finnish has more words to describe wood than english because the country is all forests :P
[21:53] <shbrngdo> the classic "someone is reading words out of a quick-study translation guide" because it works in English
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[21:54] <shbrngdo> in japanese there are at least 10 different words for the pronound 'I', all of which have different connotations
[21:54] <shbrngdo> and I'm not an expert on the language, and I know of those 10
[21:54] <Lartza> I don't know how you would say it in English but you can say in Finnish that it's different to translate something than it is to "finnish"(as a verb) it
[21:55] <Lartza> Works for any language really though, the concept
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[21:55] <shbrngdo> right verbing a noun works that way in English. nice pun, too
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[21:56] <shbrngdo> I worked for a guy from Finland, named Pertti
[21:56] <Lartza> You do know finnish pronouns have like 20 different forms each? :P
[21:56] <shbrngdo> do they all have different connotations?
[21:57] <shbrngdo> or is it just like conjugating a verb would be...
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[21:57] <Lartza> It's conjugation yeah
[21:57] <Lartza> http://i.imgur.com/QFm6SCE.png
[21:57] <shbrngdo> like in Japanese you can be polite and say 'watakushi' or 'watashi', or you can be submissive and use 'atashi' or you can be bragadocious and use 'boku' (like you're a teenager or something)
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[21:58] <Lartza> shbrngdo, Apparently it's called declension when it's verbs, TIL!
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[21:58] <Lartza> conjugation is specifically for verbs
[21:59] <shbrngdo> I've seen in greek/latin and I've heard the same about Russian, where you actually conjugate nouns and even people's names
[21:59] <Lartza> No but what that comic describes is how to say
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[21:59] <d0rm0us3> Everything else in japanese is 'status' driven...
[21:59] <shbrngdo> from what I can tell, ye
[22:00] <shbrngdo> yes I mean
[22:00] <shbrngdo> I think a language helps define society, and vice versa
[22:00] <shauno> I think most slavic language conjugate proper nouns. messes with my head
[22:00] <Lartza> The first finnish is dog, dog's, of dog, a dog, in a dog, from a dog, to a dog, at a dog, from a dog(to give)... :P
[22:00] <Lartza> But we can do it as a single word
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[22:01] <shbrngdo> that works, actually. it sounds a bit like verbing a noun by adding a suffix
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[22:01] <Lartza> And yeah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension has a list of languages that do noun "conjugation"
[22:02] <Lartza> slavic is there, as is greek
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[22:02] <shbrngdo> it gives examples for latin and greek
[22:02] <Lartza> Oh yeah and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_noun_cases lists the finnish cases quite clearly
[22:03] <shauno> to my eye, it still seems weird to see "shaunom" used in a sentence
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[22:03] <Lartza> shaunom?
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[22:04] <shbrngdo> even German, huh? it sounds like the use of 'particles' in Japanese, Korean, and the various Chinese languages to mark parts of a sentence
[22:04] <Lartza> German has a lot less cases than finnish but yeah they do it too a bit
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[22:04] <Lartza> at least afaik
[22:04] <shbrngdo> it says so in wikipedia, MUST be true [heh]
[22:04] <Lartza> Well I've heard it before but yeah :P
[22:05] <Lartza> shauno, Oh like in latin?
[22:05] <shbrngdo> I've heard that german can have some unusual word ordering, but that no native German speaker would EVER do some of those possible word orderings. From someone who was born there.
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[22:06] <shbrngdo> but anyway the German-specific declension apparently allows that
[22:06] <Lartza> oh yeah now that I think of it german looks sometimes a bit reversed even compared to finnish
[22:07] <d0rm0us3> "Ich bin ein Berliner."
[22:07] <Lartza> I studied german very briefly in high school
[22:07] <d0rm0us3> s/ein/einer
[22:07] <Lartza> Isn't that the same though? :P
[22:07] <d0rm0us3> Absolutely NOT
[22:07] <d0rm0us3> ein is one as in the number.
[22:07] <Lartza> I mean from english, not that ein and einer are same
[22:07] <shbrngdo> I only learned some bad german from friends in high school, heh
[22:08] <Lartza> I was talking about word order
[22:08] <Lartza> also isn't berliner the pastry? :P
[22:08] <shbrngdo> I found I could pick through tech manuals written in german, at least enough to get by
[22:09] <shbrngdo> heh Ich bin ein berliner [I am a jelly donut - what I've been told anyway]
[22:09] <d0rm0us3> Yes, the word order is correct, but that is a very simplistic thought to get acrosee.
[22:09] <d0rm0us3> across*
[22:09] <Lartza> In finnish you would be a "berliiniläinen" if you were from the city
[22:09] <Lartza> And "I am" would just be "Olen"
[22:10] <Lartza> the donut is a "berliininmunkki" :P munkki being the word for doughnuts without a hole
[22:10] <shbrngdo> berlin monkey? heh
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[22:10] <Lartza> monkey is an "apina" ;)
[22:10] <d0rm0us3> ahhh... sounds like finnish has a 'familiar' voice
[22:11] <Lartza> more close to ape
[22:11] <Lartza> and honda monkeys are "manki"
[22:11] <Lartza> :P
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[22:11] <shbrngdo> do they ride honda motorcycles?
[22:11] <shbrngdo> bad punishment. heh.
[22:11] <shbrngdo> PUN-ishment. get it?
[22:12] <Lartza> :P
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[22:13] <shauno> Lartza, no idea about latin. my s/o is Slovak, and I keep seeing her use 'shaunom' in sentences. To an englishman, it seems weird to mutate proper names
[22:13] <shbrngdo> yeah like 'Et tu, Brute?' referring to 'Brutus'
[22:14] <Lartza> shauno, Ah yeah. You would totally mutate shauno in finnish :P "Rakastan shaunoa" or "Sain tämän lahjaksi shaunolta" for "I love" and "I got this as a gift from" respectively
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[22:15] <Lartza> shbrngdo, manki colors? :D
[22:15] <shauno> I think the possessive is the only time english gets anywhere close to this
[22:15] <Lartza> And plurals :P but yeah
[22:16] <Lartza> Oh lol googled "finnish puns" and wasn't disappointed https://i.pinimg.com/736x/88/ef/ce/88efce33cf886a61785d4b17a4ba847a--finnish-language-finland.jpg
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[22:29] <shauno> for me, finnish humour is 5 finns at the same bus stop
[22:30] <Lartza> haha
[22:30] <Lartza> Our bus stop shelters are way too short, can confirm
[22:31] <Lartza> Also can admit to standing in light rain rather than go under the shelter with other people :P
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[23:08] <shbrngdo> ah, found the page with the source tarball snapshots on it for WiringPi - https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary - that should help a lot if I want to port it to FBSD
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[23:10] <shbrngdo> then you set up the port with any patches you need to make it work in FBSD, along with a 'port' makefile, which is usually not all that complicated, and some other stuff to verify source tarball size/hash and where to install stuff
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[23:34] * pavlushka (~pavlushka@ubuntu/member/pavlushka) Quit (Quit: See you on the other side)
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[23:37] * markmcb (~markmcb@ Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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[23:55] <taza> Also yeah, I notice the official case makes the RPi3 overheat repeatedly
[23:55] <taza> Removing the GPIO-side side panel has stopped that.
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