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IRC Log for 2018-03-18

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[0:00] <taza> Lartza https://nensarjakuvat.wordpress.com/elainsanasto/
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[0:48] <Oksana> Looking at https://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Webcams . Why do I see both Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000 and Logitech QuickCam V-UM14 as unsupported? Am I that unlucky with webcams, finding only those that don't work nice with RPi?
[0:49] <Oksana> Well, I do have Logitech Webcam V-U0011 , it should work...
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[0:52] <Oksana> Also, why does Logitech Webcam C170 have 1024x760 listed as its resolution? https://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Webcams According to Logitech, optical resolution is 640x480 http://support.logitech.com/en_my/product/webcam-c170/specs , anything higher than that is interpolation and low video quality
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[2:14] <{HD}> Raspi3b+ should be 4k
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[2:18] <TheCryptek> could someone tell me what this means http://prntscr.com/isopto
[2:19] <Oksana> Some computer is trying to ssh into your RPi, from four different ports, in a loop?
[2:20] <TheCryptek> Its not the same 4 ports
[2:20] <TheCryptek> I'm using tail -f /var/log/auth.log | grep 'sshd'
[2:20] <TheCryptek> its many different ports over and over
[2:20] <Oksana> About 30 seconds between attempts, about 2 minutes for each loop
[2:21] <TheCryptek> Question becomes, is it a person or a bot :/
[2:21] <Oksana> Looks like 18790 29629 28703 32639 repeating over and over
[2:21] <TheCryptek> No its many more
[2:22] <TheCryptek> is there any way to see what password he/she/bot is trying?
[2:22] <Oksana> Okay. Is it once every 30 seconds, or once every half a second? Either way, it looks like a bot. I don't think Linux writes down passwords usually, but...
[2:23] <TheCryptek> Its definatly less then 30 seconds
[2:23] <TheCryptek> definitely
[2:24] <TheCryptek> Oksana: http://prntscr.com/isos2r this is has more attempts then the last
[2:26] <d0rm0us3> Can you describe the networking aspect, positional, etc?
[2:26] <TheCryptek> What do you mean?
[2:27] <d0rm0us3> Is it on a wlan or wired
[2:27] <Oksana> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204383/fail2ban-is-not-blocking-ips-trying-to-access-my-server-via-ssh/204393#204393
[2:27] <TheCryptek> My raspberry Pi is wired into the router
[2:29] <d0rm0us3> Is it configured in such a way that every packet is mirrored from the wan side?
[2:29] <Oksana> /etc/ssh/sshd_config should include 'PermitRootLogin no' , I guess
[2:29] <TheCryptek> I don't think so d0rm0us3
[2:31] <TheCryptek> tho fail2ban seems interesting and Im going to have to edit my sshd config
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[2:33] <Oksana> See also https://franklinheath.co.uk/2013/08/16/raspberry-pi-fishcam-the-secure-version/
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[2:36] <TheCryptek> Fail2ban is handling for now till my friend is done so I can edit the config
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[2:47] <mfa298> TheCryptek: probably a few password attempts per connection (for why your seeing ports repeated), but thats probably just the source port so fairly meaningless.
[2:47] <TheCryptek> OH okay
[2:47] <TheCryptek> just curious cuzz my friends ip [who succeeded in logging in as I gave him password] alos had preauth :P
[2:48] <mfa298> personally my top tip to stop ssh spam in logs is to move ssh onto some non standard port (if you have to have it open to the world)
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[2:48] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/isoz0x
[2:48] <TheCryptek> I have it open to the world cuzz i'm gone a lot and use it to monitor my pi
[2:50] <mfa298> by moving my open ssh servers from port 22 to something else I cut from many thousands of attempted logins a day to none
[2:50] <TheCryptek> I might move the port, I just don't know what to move it to really :/
[2:50] <TheCryptek> I know I don't have to worry about remembering the port cuzz I can save it in .ssh/config
[2:50] <TheCryptek> WELL ~/.ssh/config
[2:51] <mfa298> probably not 2222 (as I think some bots will look for that as a common alternative)
[2:51] <TheCryptek> I was thinking something like 8619
[2:51] <d0rm0us3> 1223
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[2:51] <Cypher100> Do the last 4 digits of your zip code
[2:51] <Cypher100> easier to keep track of
[2:51] <TheCryptek> SO is 8619 :P
[2:51] <TheCryptek> but thats cuzz 8619 has a meaning to me
[2:52] <Cypher100> just make sure it's not the last 4 social lol
[2:52] <mfa298> anything that makes sense to you and isnt used for something else (I'm not going to say what I use as I dont want the bots to start scanning me)
[2:52] <Cypher100> I don't change ports to make things secure, just to have cleaner logs of login attempts :)
[2:52] <TheCryptek> Uh why would I use the last 4 of my social, thats just looking for an identity crisis :/
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[2:54] <mfa298> different port doesn;t add much security, but stops all the log spam (I think at times I've had an attempt every second when doing ssh on port 22 - that's a lot of log spam)
[2:54] <TheCryptek> Oh man my log spam is insane on port 22
[2:54] <TheCryptek> I'm not looking to add security just get rid of the spam :/
[2:54] <d0rm0us3> diskeater
[2:54] <TheCryptek> I still have to google for how to setup proper secutiry on my pi
[2:55] <mfa298> locking down ssh to key only auth will add some security if you want security
[2:55] <TheCryptek> I don't know how to do that :/
[2:55] <TheCryptek> And I wouldn't know how to add my friends ssh key :/
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[2:56] <TheCryptek> let alone mine xD
[2:57] <mfa298> I tend to only set root to key only (or even forced commands) as i use that for backups (so backup host can ssh as root, but only with the right key, from the right ip and only to run rsync - that's all set in .ssh/authorized_keys)
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[2:58] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/isp1kq how do I set this to key only
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[2:58] <mfa298> TheCryptek: that would be key only for the root user
[2:59] <mfa298> `man sshd_config` will have details of all the options you can set there
[3:00] <mfa298> key only for normal users will be a different option (but get setup for keys first) - google or the man page will tell you what to change (I dont normally set that option)
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[3:01] <TheCryptek> Well I can set key only for normal users already the issue is adding say my friends key or my key to authorized keys
[3:01] <TheCryptek> xD
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[3:02] <TheCryptek> I just got banned from my ssh server thanks to fail2ban lmao
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[3:05] <mfa298> authorized_keys is just a list of values from the allowed id_rsa.pub filess
[3:06] <TheCryptek> Yea but the normal cat >> authorized_keys command doesn't work with passwordless login :P
[3:06] <TheCryptek> cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh <username>@<ip-address> 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' this command I mean
[3:08] <mfa298> that looks like it should work, although only if you can login (i.e. before you make it key only, or via an already authorized host)
[3:09] <TheCryptek> So authorize my computer key for root before making it passwordless
[3:11] <mfa298> that probably won't work for root unles youve set a root pasword so you can pipe to root@ip, or you add some sudo in there
[3:11] <mfa298> I'd tend to suggest always ssh in as a user and then sudo/su to root.
[3:12] <mfa298> and ideally all people logging in would have their own users
[3:14] <mfa298> the other cunning trick, if you've put the keys into github for repo access is to use that set of keys
[3:14] <mfa298> curl https://github.com/<githubuser>.keys -o /home/pi/.ssh/authorized_keys
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[3:19] <ball> Is the 2B more popular than the 3B?
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[3:25] <ball> ...or just made in smaller quantities?
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[3:29] <shbrngdo> you should not be allowing root to access via ssh
[3:29] <shbrngdo> that's like begging for one of those dictionary crackers to target your RPi
[3:29] <shbrngdo> so yeah access ssh as a user, then sudo/su as needed
[3:30] <shbrngdo> also delete obvious user names like 'pi'
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[3:34] <swift110> I once installed Blender to a pi 3
[3:36] <ball> swift110: I've heard of that but don't know what it does. Video editing? Raytracing?
[3:37] <swift110> its a graphics program
[3:38] <swift110> if I was able to do something on a pi 3 that would be awesome
[3:38] <shbrngdo> it's 3D editing, very large/complex program. you can do videos with it [like the movie Sintel]
[3:38] <ball> Ah ok.
[3:38] <shbrngdo> I've only messed with it
[3:38] <Oksana> What does Raspberry Pi think of cameras connected by NTSC/PAL ?
[3:38] <shbrngdo> if you haven't seen Sintel, it's about 20 minutes or so, pretty good
[3:39] <shbrngdo> I'd love to use it as an NTCS camera. I think you need a USB adaptor. I've got an old one, who knows if it's supported though...
[3:39] <ball> Oksana: Unless the camera port has a composite input, I'd expect to have to use a ...what shbrngdo said.
[3:40] <shbrngdo> heh same idea
[3:40] <shbrngdo> you used to be able to get USB camera capture devices pretty cheap. not sure any more.
[3:40] <shbrngdo> er video capture i mean
[3:40] <ball> Those tended to suck horribly though, I'm told.
[3:41] <ball> Perhaps there are faster ones available today, though the Pi USB 2.0 might be a limiting factor.
[3:41] <shbrngdo> a quick google showed 4 of them
[3:41] <shbrngdo> make that 5 - all amazone [must be paid ads, heh]
[3:42] <ball> Are they 200-line capture devices?
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[3:44] <shbrngdo> one captured HTMI, and I think the rest capture composite video
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[3:44] <shbrngdo> [already closed the page]
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[3:44] <shbrngdo> well, google for "NTSC video capture USB" and see what comes up
[3:44] <shbrngdo> the next thing to look for is Linux compatibility if you wanna run it on an RPi
[3:46] <shbrngdo> I just found this: https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Easycap (a wiki page, might be helpful)
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[3:53] <ball> I wonder how much a b&w CCIR System B camera module costs these days.
[3:53] <ball> (or b&w NTSC)
[3:53] * ball looks it up
[3:55] <ball> UKP 40ish.
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[3:56] <shbrngdo> it'd be cheaper to use a webcam - most should be supported with video for linux and programs like 'cheese'
[3:57] <swift110> it is god
[3:57] <swift110> good
[3:57] <shbrngdo> if you "deconstruct" them and remove the IR filters [certain cameras] they'll pick up IR - then you just capture the red
[3:57] <shbrngdo> it's not GREAT IR but it'd work
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[3:59] <shbrngdo> I actually wrote a filter for gstreamer that did what I described... years ago but still
[3:59] <immibis> has anyone discovered a frequency doubling material that shifts IR into visible yet?
[4:00] <immibis> i guess that wouldn't really work anyway if they did
[4:01] <shbrngdo> if you could focus an image on it, it'd work like one of the really old style night vision thingies, I'd think.
[4:01] <shbrngdo> those used phosphor and photomultipliers and a scanning electron beam, like a combination of TV camera and picture tube
[4:01] <Oksana> shbrngdo , ball : I mean, if I had a camera with composite output, like https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/152936518728 , would Raspberry Pi be able to use it?
[4:02] <ball> Oksana: Not without a video capture device.
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[4:02] <ball> (probably)
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[4:03] <shbrngdo> maybe with enough hacking _AND_ a video capture device, yeah
[4:04] <ball> Oksana: Unless you have a peculiar application in mind, you might be better off with a camera module that plugs into the Raspberry Pi camera header
[4:04] <shbrngdo> I've got this old camcorder with 8mm tape laying around someplace. It has a composite out. I should try doing this, see if it's even possible.
[4:04] <ball> (think it's called the CSI connector)
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[4:04] <ball> shbrngdo: It's a great experiment. Is that Hi-8 or digital-8?
[4:04] <shbrngdo> oh yeah use the built-in. duh [heh]
[4:05] <shbrngdo> ball - Hi-8 I think, from the 90's
[4:05] <shbrngdo> last I tried it (early 2000's) I had to get an NiMh battery to replace the old NiCds and I think it's still good. I got tapes, too, still in the wrapper.
[4:05] <ball> shbrngdo: I'm told those are much better than the cheaper VHS-C cameras.
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[4:06] <shbrngdo> yeah VHS. can you even buy VHS tapes?
[4:06] <ball> shbrngdo: Yes, where I live, anyway.
[4:06] <shbrngdo> I haven't seen them at places like Target and Walmart in forever
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[4:07] <ball> My wife threw away my SVHS deck. ;-)
[4:07] <shbrngdo> I keep a VCR around for playing really old pre-recorded stuff. I bought a capture thingy toconvert it all, but... had trouble using the capture thing and NOT dropping frames, etc.
[4:07] <shbrngdo> maybe some day I can get one that records direct to DVD and then start duping
[4:07] <ball> shbrngdo: That's a common problem with the USB ones.
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[4:07] <shbrngdo> I think it was the computer - an underpowered winders box
[4:08] <shbrngdo> this was the mid 2000's when I tried it
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[4:08] <ball> I should build a test rig for that.
[4:08] <shbrngdo> I expect that under Linux you have more control over what your computer is doing, and therefore will get better results
[4:08] <ball> ...with a Firewire input for the Mini-DV cameras
[4:09] <ball> shbrngdo: I don't use Linux but you're probably right.
[4:09] <shbrngdo> newer devices might support USB 3.0 though.
[4:09] <ball> (well, I use Linux enough to put it on my daughter's PC)
[4:09] <ball> ...and I'm thinking of replacing that with a Chromebook
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[4:14] <ball> Looks like I can get a PCB-mountable B&W EIA camera module for US$ 25.
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[4:22] <ball> ...or complete, assembled cameras for US$ 16.
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[4:25] <TheCryptek> tyt
[4:25] <TheCryptek> wrong chat
[4:29] <Oksana> Hmm, does it look like 720x540 60fps NTSC video? https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parking-Assistance-Car-Rear-View-Camera-CCD-LED-Backup-With-170-degree/183103786144 And would Raspberry Pi be able to process such an input?
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[4:32] <bioa10> Hiya
[4:32] <bioa10> Could I get some help real quick with gpio stuff?
[4:33] <ball> Oksana: Asked and answered.
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[4:34] <ball> Oooh, I found a nice Sony one but it's US$ 660.
[4:35] <bioa10> So, if I have a normal computer case and want to use the case fan, how do I hook it up? It is a 3 pin fan
[4:35] <Oksana> ball : >> you might be better off with a camera module that plugs into the Raspberry Pi camera header << I agree, but finding a Raspberry Pi camera module with 170° lens angle may be difficult around here
[4:37] <Oksana> What does this one look like? http://www.createunsw.com.au/store/FPV-Camera/ Not NoIR, but I have no idea whether it's auto-focus or fixed-focus, and what its field of view is
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[4:37] <ball> bioa10: Hang on, I'll look that up.
[4:38] <ball> Oksana: Most of the sellers I've looked at today have data sheets that specify the field of view (or lens mount, for the expensive ones)
[4:38] * Oksana has no idea whether it's better to use IR or NoIR camera under conditions of bright daylight and lots of shadows on the concrete
[4:39] <ball> bioa10: Put 12V across the red and black wires, ignore the yellow.
[4:39] <ball> Oksana: I think it's conventional to keep the IR filter for daytime use.
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[4:41] <Oksana> ball : Definitely conventional. And probably wise choice, because sunlight is half-visible, half-IR; visible glare is bad enough, infrared glare will not help matters?
[4:42] * ball nods
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[4:49] <ball> Goodnight everyone!
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[4:52] <Oksana> Interesting things with lack of documentation: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Geeetech-Optical-Flow-Sensor-Board-APM-2-52-2-6-ADNS-3080-Sensor-Free-cable/272788620437
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[5:04] <Oksana> Would Raspberry Pi be able to work with V7 Elite HD Webcam 2000 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Elite-Webcam-2000-CS2021/222650880862 ?
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[5:38] <Oksana> Tired. If I think that the lane is going to be so wide that a wide-angle camera (which I do not have yet) would be required to capture both left and right edges of the lane at the same time...
[5:39] <Oksana> Then do I try at stereo vision (left webcam watches for left edge, right webcam watches for right edge), or do I hope that the vehicle will be fine without seeing both lanes at the same time?
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[5:40] <Oksana> [Actually, it would see both lanes, just very far ahead of itself, which would make turning extra interesting]
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[5:41] <Oksana> As in, when it approaches the turn, it would only ever see one of the two edges of the lane, as in "driving out of lane condition"
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[5:42] <Oksana> The problem would be if it decides to make an U-turn because of all the confusion ;-)
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[7:53] <gchcetiH> ffs rpi foundation fix your shit
[7:54] <gchcetiH> fucking hate it when playing back videos in Chromium causes the whole firmware to break
[7:54] <gchcetiH> and, of course, since the firmware is proprietary, it's impossible to debug or pretty much anything but reboot
[7:55] <gchcetiH> lol anything with vcgencmd just hangs
[7:56] <gchcetiH> also the process blocks forever
[7:57] <caoliver> Don't rightly know how much is RPi Found and how much is just bad Broadcom. (They've been a pain forever.)
[7:57] <gchcetiH> yeah fuck broadcom
[7:57] * caoliver wishes BeagleBone had more memory.
[7:58] <gchcetiH> on their website they just advertised something like "the only ARM SoC with a fully-open graphics driver"
[7:58] <gchcetiH> yeah right, open my ass
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[8:01] <gchcetiH> and I guess it's impossible to actually find that statement because chromium isn't going to work right now
[8:01] <gchcetiH> be back in a minute, rebooting
[8:01] <gchcetiH> gonna switch to the firmware with debug assertions enabled while I'm at it
[8:02] <Zardoz> seems the RPI is not for you.
[8:02] <gchcetiH> the RPi is great
[8:03] <gchcetiH> I just hate when proprietary stuff breaks and you have to rely on somewhere else
[8:03] <gchcetiH> however, the forums look to be great - you can usually get a response from the engineers, rather than the more-typical response of being completely ignored
[8:04] * caoliver has some not-so-great RasPi 1s. He's got 3s for his "serious" stuff.
[8:05] <gchcetiH> I fried both my original Pi 1s :(
[8:06] <gchcetiH> I have a Pi 2 (not rev 1.2 which is basically a downgraded Pi 3) and a Pi 3, which I'm using right now
[8:07] <caoliver> The RasPi1s were for a VPN project with a family member who sadly is no longer on the planet.
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[8:07] <gchcetiH> anyone happen to know any commands I should run to collect debug info which could be helpful?
[8:07] <caoliver> The RasPi3s are from work.
[8:08] <gchcetiH> what does your work do with Pis?
[8:08] <caoliver> We have one in a drone that runs some instruments.
[8:08] <caoliver> I can't sy much more.
[8:09] <caoliver> The other is a desktop standalone box for testing stuff.
[8:10] <gchcetiH> cool
[8:10] <gchcetiH> brb, rebooting for real
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[8:17] <gchcetiH> back
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> gchcetiH, please try to keep it family friendly here.
[9:00] <gchcetiH> sorry, I was frustrated
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[9:26] <mave_> hi everyone! When updating raspbian on a 3b+ it freezes on updating the man-db pages, i get kernel errors. But when i connect a 3 it continues without a problem. Could that be a power problem?
[9:27] <mave_> on the same sd-card that is
[9:27] <Habbie> what kernel errors?
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[9:28] <mave_> well can't say, most of the time it freezes and no errors at all because it's frozen
[9:28] <mave_> let me see if i can reproduce it
[9:29] <mave_> is there a way to check if it might be a power issue?
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[9:33] <gordonDrogon> it's possible a power issue - are you using the foundation 2.5A PSU?
[9:36] <my123> mave_, you can try lowering the clocks a bit
[9:37] <my123> the RPF will have to move to 28nm the next time, as they're near the limits
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[9:38] <mave_> no, it's more like a generic 2,5A PSU which ran fine with a 3 gordonDrogon
[9:39] <mave_> but the 3B+ runs fine too except for the man pages update, it stuck there every time
[9:39] <mave_> i might look into that for the time being my123
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> check for power-low stuff - the red LED on the board, or messages in the system logs.
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[9:45] <Habbie> there's some counter you can inspect as well, right?
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> counter of low-voltage detects?
[9:48] <Habbie> i recall something like that, yes
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[10:59] <phinxy> no matter what config.txt options and cmdline.txt options there never is a serial console on uart.
[10:59] <phinxy> Not even the single garbage character, completely silent
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[11:06] <my123> phinxy, RPi3?
[11:06] <my123> if so, an UART is used for Bluetooth
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[11:10] <phinxy> my123• yeah its disabled
[11:11] <phinxy> I actually got progress, I removed the cmdline console=/dev/ttyAMA0,115200 and now at 9600 baud there is some output
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[11:12] <phinxy> alright! a console. a slow one, but a console nontheless
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[12:26] <zproc> Hm i guess it's time for me to google/duckduckgo to see if anyone has already attempted the overclocks on the 3+ :d or at least to know how it runs at normal clock re heating
[12:28] <zproc> i wonder if they're going to release in a new revision in some months with 2gb of ram.......
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[12:31] <zproc> I'd need to to do some tests with a USB Ethernet adapter on my Pi 3 also, now that i remember about it...
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[12:36] <zproc> I wonder, do anyone has been a running a Pi 3 with filesystem on HDD in a stable manner? I haven't tested the boot from USB yet... I plan to. (something i did a few times was using an old 2gb card to boot the FS on a HDD on a Pi 3 - i used to do that with flashdrives on older Pi's - ... but the 2 or 3 times i did that on the Pi 3, for some reason, no idea why, the system/fs just crashed on me after not very long each time... and i don't know.
[12:36] <zproc> +)
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[12:49] <GitGideon> Hello. I followed this tutorial a while ago using a Raspberry Pi 3: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/access-point.md Then I got rid of it for a while, and recently I set it up again with the exact same equipment (The same Raspberry Pi 3 and an ethernet cable with a switch inbetween). Last time I reached at least 50mbit, but this time I have a max speed of 10-20mbit when doing a speedtest. Is there something I
[12:49] <GitGideon> could've overlooked?
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[12:52] <Habbie> GitGideon, maybe something around you changed? or maybe you're on a different channel than last time
[12:52] <GitGideon> Do you think the channel would matter that much? It's in the same location and I'm still about 5 feet away with nothing in between. I'll try a different channel
[12:53] <Habbie> it can, depending on your housemates/neighbours
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[13:06] <GitGideon> For some reason if I set the channel to 12/13 (this app said that was the best channel), the wifi doesn't get enabled
[13:09] <Habbie> yes
[13:09] <Habbie> use 11 or lower
[13:10] <Habbie> 12 and 13 are forbidden in America
[13:10] <Habbie> and as a result, problematic on many machines
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[13:31] <zproc> So, just in case... the best *reliable* brand of microSD cards? is there one?
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[13:34] <clickboom> i like sandisk, but reliability probably differs with batch within the brands.
[13:34] <Lartza> No
[13:34] <Lartza> sandisk and samsung should both be good
[13:35] <Lartza> Why do you ask?
[13:35] <zproc> Ok, better samsung and/or sandisk over for instance Kingston?
[13:35] <zproc> Because since 2012 and several RPis i keep on having RPis sd cards dying... so...
[13:36] <zproc> No problem generally with my SD cards in other stuff, camera and consoles etc.. but of course they aren't used as much i guess
[13:36] <Lartza> Whole card becomes unusable or just corruptes the filesystem?
[13:36] <Lartza> *corrupts
[13:36] <Lartza> And yes personally I would trust sandisk and samsung over kingston
[13:36] <tvm> from industrial experience - both RPIs and SDs die no matter what you use after some time
[13:37] <tvm> it's just question when that happens
[13:37] <zproc> Years ago i remember cases of corrupted on some Pi 1s for instance... lately it's been a few dying SD Cards, although one 64gb wasn't used in a Pi now that i recall
[13:37] <zproc> *corrupted fs
[13:37] <Lartza> SD cards aren't really ment for this kind of usage yeah, but they should usually last a while
[13:37] <Lartza> I guesss insufficient power is the biggest problem you can fix, even over choosing another brand of sd card
[13:38] <zproc> i was thinking about that also yes... my Rpi 3 so far is powered with a good psu i think.. and the Zero they shouldn't require much hm
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[13:39] <zproc> i was asking also because i'm about to order some new ones also... just that
[13:39] <Lartza> Doesn't matter how much they require, just that the PSU is good
[13:39] <zproc> Yeah, ok, a stable one
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[13:40] <Lartza> A 3A phone charger can be just as likely to corrupt a filesystem on a zero as a 1A one
[13:40] <zproc> Hm, i might need to check with what i power the zeroes
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[13:59] <phinxy> when the cmdline is read and the mounting of the root filesystem begins, It can be a NFS share. This works with ethernet but will it work with wifi?
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[14:01] <phinxy> Ill test it , brb
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[14:16] <shauno> a little late, but it's worth avoiding ch13 for wifi simply because it's a half-width channel. Just because it's more likely to be free, doesn't mean it's a good thing
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[14:22] <shauno> ah no, that's 14. nm me then heh
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[14:30] <darsie> shauno: I guess the hardware will use it at the full bandwidth, but if half the channel is cleared for something else there may be intereference.
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[14:39] <phinxy> What is the first thing that mounts the root filesystem called?
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[14:42] <BurtyB> phinxy, on raspbian the kernel would normally mount it first unless you're using an initramfs
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[14:43] <phinxy> If the root filesystem cant be found, or the path is incorrect - I was dropped to a shell with a ram filesystem
[14:45] <darsie> Does the boot loader mount a FS?
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[14:53] <BurtyB> doesn't sound like a raspbian pi so more info required
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[15:04] <conta> hi folks, how do I turn on file path completion with tab? in raspbian
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[15:04] <conta> eg when I do apt-TAB I get apt-get completed but when I do /etc/sys TAB I am getting no compeltion
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[15:06] <mlelstv> maybe there is more than one. type TAB-TAB.
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[15:07] <conta> ah, my bad. seems that it's not working with systemctl
[15:07] <conta> weird
[15:08] <mlelstv> anything else starting with /etc/sys ? :)
[15:09] <conta> I typed manually /etc/systemd/system/ but tab is not showing any files suggestions
[15:10] <zleap> on my system the only contentof that is other directories
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[15:11] <zleap> well on my system, but what are you trying to do
[15:11] <mlelstv> and without any prefix, all match for completition, so none is selected.
[15:11] <zleap> ?
[15:12] <zleap> if that directory is full of other directories you need to find one with files in to display
[15:12] <zleap> iguess
[15:13] <mlelstv> tab+tab shows the possibilities. The completion expands the un-ambigous part only.
[15:13] <conta> well if I do ls /etc/systemd/system/ + TAB I get list of files there. but with sudo systemctl enable /etc/systemd/system/ + TAB I am not getting enything so I guess something with systemctl or sudo
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[15:20] <shauno> I think it's bash_completion trying to be clever. if you do "sudo systemctl enable <tab>" you'll get a list of units that aren't enabled. "disable <tab>" gets you a list of units that are already enabled
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[15:21] <mlelstv> very clever
[15:21] <shauno> there's a lot of places where completion is trying to be smarter than you expect
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[15:23] <mfa298> conta: with systemd you don't use the whole path for the service file, you use it's name. If you've created a new unit you need to tell systemd to reload what it known about (`systemctl daemon-reload` from memory)
[15:23] <conta> ah, so that's why I'm getting weird error
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[15:25] <ldsh> Hi, I'm trying to communicate on a RS485 bus with a custom protocol. I have the source code of the system I'm trying to communicate with, and I'm using a RS485 module which allows me to read the bytes exchanged in the bus through the serial interface and PySerial. I however experience some issues on how to handle things like collisions. For instance, the documentation of the protocol takes the two first bytes to check collision,
[15:25] <ldsh> and I have no idea on how to conciliate this with the PySerial interface. Any idea on where I should put my problem in order to have some assistance?
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[15:30] <mlelstv> what are the issues?
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[15:34] <ldsh> mlelstv, I do not know how to proceed to have these checks at the right level.
[15:35] <mlelstv> that probably depends on the protocol.
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[15:37] <mlelstv> if we talk about bus, you read the bits that you send. If you see a mismatch you abort the attempt to send.
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[15:37] <ldsh> mlelstv, Compared to the source code of the custom protocol, the pyserial interface does a lot of the low level stuff, but as the other protocol is custom to this specific application, I do not know where/how to specify the differences.
[15:37] <mlelstv> without knowing the protocol, I don't know that either :)
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[15:40] <ldsh> mlelstv, So, I should ask to pyserial to send the message, then to read what is on the bus and compare? Won't it be too late?
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[15:45] <ldsh> mlelstv, Basically, I'm wondering if using only the high level interface provided by pyserial is enough, or if I need to deep on lower level inside pyserial. This exemple seems to indicate that reading just after sending may work: https://pythonhosted.org/pyserial/shortintro.html#eol
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[15:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi
[15:46] <mlelstv> it's probably enough to send the beginning of the message so that you can abort early.
[15:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> how do I setup wifi on rasbian?
[15:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> do i still do it through /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i see a wpa_supplicant is already being used error
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[15:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> not sure why
[15:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> thinking there is a another process trying to do networking
[15:50] <RoyK> Eryn_1983_FL: just setup wpa_supplicant
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[15:54] <Encrypt> Eryn_1983_FL, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work anymore
[15:54] <Encrypt> You have to check /etc/dhcpcd.conf out
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[15:55] <ldsh> mlelstv, This way: https://pastebin.com/X4L5PPbX ?
[15:56] <ldsh> (Just to see if I get the idea, this looks quite strange to me)
[15:56] <ldsh> ( sio.flush() missing at the end)
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[16:03] <mlelstv> yes, something like that. But if you check for collisions, you also need to handle them.
[16:03] <mlelstv> I don't know the protocol, but usually you do some kind of retries with exponential backoff.
[16:03] <mlelstv> the retry should have a random delay, so that it's unlikely that the same two senders collide again.
[16:05] <ldsh> mlelstv, Ok, I think you answered my question. Didn't think it could be done this way and feared I needed to go at a lower level. I'll make some experiment on the test system, and I'll see how good it works.
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[16:06] <ldsh> (Ill alsoe read back at the source with this conception in mind, this will help me to find
[16:06] <mlelstv> sio.readline sounds like it's waiting for an EOL character.
[16:07] <mlelstv> you probably need some sio.read() and a kind of timeout.
[16:07] <ldsh> also* (...) the parameters used to resend in case of collision)
[16:07] <ldsh> mlelstv, yes, you are right, I'll need to use read().
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[16:08] <ldsh> Thanks a lot for the assistance!
[16:09] <mlelstv> you're welcome
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[16:21] <TheCryptek> I need help I logged into my ssh server and it said "You have new mail" how do I check said mail?
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[16:22] <mlelstv> for example with the command mail
[16:22] <TheCryptek> says the mail command isn't found xD
[16:23] <mlelstv> silly
[16:23] <mlelstv> maybe Mail or mailx
[16:23] <TheCryptek> I have to manually go to /var/mail/pi
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[16:23] <mlelstv> no
[16:23] <TheCryptek> Mail and mailx didn't work either
[16:23] <mlelstv> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50939
[16:23] <mlelstv> you are not alone :)
[16:24] <TheCryptek> Right need mailutils
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[16:25] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/isv4s6 holy crap
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[16:28] <mlelstv> doesn't look like standard.
[16:29] <mlelstv> stdout from a cron job is sent by mail. best to avoid output.
[16:30] <BurtyB> or redirect to /dev/null
[16:30] <TheCryptek> Now I gotta figure out how to remove them all since
[16:30] <TheCryptek> man page doesn't really tell me how :/
[16:30] <mlelstv> d 1-28
[16:30] <mlelstv> q
[16:30] <mlelstv> or rather
[16:30] <mlelstv> d 1-644
[16:31] <TheCryptek> :D
[16:31] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/isv7dk
[16:31] <TheCryptek> now to do it for root
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[16:40] <ericus> how would I make a distro that worked with RPI3B but not B+ work?
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[16:41] <leftyfb> ericus: why?
[16:42] <ericus> leftyfb just show a rainbow square upon boot
[16:42] <ericus> shows*
[16:42] <leftyfb> oh, you're saying it works on the rpi3b but not the rpib+
[16:43] <ericus> correct
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[16:46] <RoyK> btw, who came up with the idea of ditching config in /etc/network/interfaces ? it's worked for a decade or two - what's so much better with hiding it in dhcpcd.conf?
[16:46] <ericus> I hate that too RoyK, but it's in all (?) linux distros these days
[16:47] <RoyK> not in debian, last I checked
[16:47] <RoyK> that is, in stretch
[16:47] <RoyK> and centos/rhel uses a completely different approach
[16:48] <shauno> just be glad they're not using systemd-networkd ;)
[16:50] <ericus> how does the PoE work? 2.5A via ethernet cable sounds shady
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[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need some help
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i can't get my keboard to do a "
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> on the pi
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> how can i make "
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i remeber back in the day you could an alt code?? like alt +0093
[16:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> and then make a key.
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[16:52] <ericus> Eryn_1983_FL check your keyboard settings
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[16:52] <phinxy> How fast would the accesstime be on a sdcard versus a network mounte nfs share?
[16:52] <ericus> and locale, are you using UTF-8?
[16:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah but thats another 3 hour mission
[16:52] <shauno> ericus, haven't tried it yet, but it'd be closer to 0.25A over ethernet, which is less scary
[16:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i dont even know where to begin
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[16:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> its headless
[16:53] <phinxy> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and pick EN_US UTF8
[16:54] <phinxy> and then dpkg-reconfigure keyboard, perhaps?
[16:54] <ericus> Eryn_1983_FL can you post the output of "locale"?
[16:54] <ericus> or just do the above :D
[16:54] <BurtyB> or use "sudo raspi-config" which has both keboard and locale settings
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[16:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
[16:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> i found it it switch my @ for "
[16:56] <phinxy> Id suggest you do not try learn a wrong layout by memory
[16:56] <ericus> what country are you from?
[16:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> USA
[16:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> how the hell am i suppoed to post it its on another machine with no pb setup
[16:59] <d0rm0us3> s/hell/heck
[17:00] <leftyfb> Eryn_1983_FL: run sudo raspi-config # then set the proper locale for your keyboard. That is the proper way to fix it
[17:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> en us right
[17:02] <ericus> yes
[17:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> ISO 8859-1
[17:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> ??
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[17:04] <ericus> yes
[17:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> still not working but not my major issue.
[17:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> neet wifi to work properly,
[17:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> it still can't find the pi wifi with wpacli
[17:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> reconfigure
[17:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> but the iwlist works fine.
[17:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> took out the stuff i did in .conf file
[17:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> going to the config raspi-config command to setup networking..
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[17:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> reconfigure worked properly
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[17:40] <Kongle> Hi guys! I've been trying to get rpi monitor working. It seems to be running on my pi, but cannot access it on port 8888, any idea ?
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[17:47] <ALowther> Am I doing something wrong? SHA-256:d58b4bd15e53380b8627df49b26ff7ccd80fc5d424a5cafe48a83fee58fc7047 - from Raspberrypi.org
[17:47] <ALowther> openssl sha256 2018-03-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.img
[17:47] <ALowther> SHA256(2018-03-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.img)= 7e120a6f0c1c6ce40597acf74bbe8c474ddd68d0e70ac1ff268d77b329861a00
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[17:49] <Jusii> Kongle: pastebin output of netstat -ntl
[17:50] <Kongle> https://pastebin.com/x7Zynyi5
[17:51] <Jusii> looks like there's nothing listening on 8888
[17:52] <Kongle> https://pastebin.com/K9UXUYuP
[17:52] <Kongle> It came preinstalled with raspbian so I just started it
[17:52] <Kongle> Semes to fail though
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[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am back
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> stupid cat turned off my server,
[17:52] <Jusii> Kongle: maybe you should run that as root?
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> anyways
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am getting the error for pulse in mplayer
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused
[17:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse'
[17:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[17:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> Video: no video
[17:53] <Jusii> kongle: sudo service rpimonitor restart
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[17:54] <ALowther> I figured it out. Thank you.
[17:54] <Kongle> I did Jusii, giving same output with status
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[17:55] <Jusii> not familiar with rpimonitor, maybe check config files and logs if there's more info
[17:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm i got it
[17:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> i forced the output to jack
[17:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> woot woot
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[18:06] <Ilyas> is there any surefire way to check an SD card for it's current health?
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[18:07] <Ilyas> i'm getting more and more strange errors while performing operations on my Pi which I cant explain, most seem to do with data being unreadable or just not there
[18:07] <Ilyas> card still boots though, OS boots
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[18:09] <squirrel> 1. ensure pi gets enough power (no lightning icon) 2. force fsck 3. badblocks
[18:09] <Ilyas> 1) working via SSH 2) how? 3) what?
[18:10] <squirrel> 1. spare some time and hook a monitor and do check that ligtning icon
[18:10] <squirrel> there's also a gpio pin that indicates low power
[18:11] <squirrel> 2. sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo shutdown -r now, then see log
[18:12] <squirrel> 3. put the sd card into your laptop and run badblocks on it, it's about the surest way to determine if the card's bad
[18:12] <squirrel> it will take hours and destroy all data
[18:12] <Ilyas> oh
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> not neccessarily. badblocks can do non-destructive tests.
[18:12] <Ilyas> I'm looking for a non-destructive way
[18:13] <Ilyas> is badblocks a linux or windows tool?
[18:13] <Ilyas> oh, Linux
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[18:13] <squirrel> i ran it on windows in a linux vm
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> the simplest test is simply: sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=8M
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> and run that on the Pi.
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[18:14] <squirrel> thrown in a pv there if you do that
[18:15] <Ilyas> Pi came up again, boot.log shows [ 7.216804] systemd-fsck[221]: /dev/mmcblk0p1: 142 files, 42835/82644 cluster
[18:16] <Kongle> Jusii: Re-install of the software did the trick :)
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[19:03] <Ellied> Which parts of the Pi actually require 5V? I thought it was basically just feeding it straight to the 3.3V regulator.
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[19:04] <Lartza> Ellied, USB, why do you ask?
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[19:05] <Ellied> I'm trying to understand why it's so intolerant of power supplies that can't supply the peak current it wants without the voltage dropping.
[19:06] <Lartza> Because it can't convert
[19:07] <Ellied> can't convert e.g. 4V down to 3.3?
[19:07] <Lartza> Yeah
[19:07] <Ellied> huh
[19:08] <Ellied> I guess I don't understand switching regulators very well, I thought it wasn't terribly expensive to build one that could take a range of input voltages down to pretty close to the output voltage
[19:09] <Lartza> Do note that the chip that generates the 3.3 voltage also generates a 1.8 one
[19:09] <Lartza> and another chip generates a 1.2 voltage
[19:09] <Lartza> and 5V is fed to the USB, hdmi and the voltage monitor chip
[19:10] <Ellied> ahh, the voltage monitor needs 5V?
[19:10] <Ellied> that would do it I suppose
[19:10] <Lartza> It triggers at 4.63+-0.07V
[19:10] <Ellied> I understand HDMI and USB need it, but that doesn't explain the SD card corruption you get even when neither of those peripherals are in use
[19:10] <Lartza> it doesn't need a voltage
[19:10] <Ellied> oh, I thought you meant it needed 5V power
[19:11] <Lartza> USB tolerance is lower than the rpi lowerance too
[19:11] <Lartza> *tolerance
[19:11] <Lartza> Down to 4.5V
[19:12] <Lartza> Well, do you imagine your PC would fare well if the voltage it was getting suddenly drops?
[19:12] <Ellied> No, but I would expect the PSU to be able to handle 110V or 120V without producing proportionally-wrong DC rail voltages
[19:13] <Ellied> although of course the difference between 110 and 120 is pretty small proportionally speaking in any case
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[19:14] <Lartza> And the difference between 110V and 12V for instance is pretty big compared to 5V and 3.3V
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[19:39] <BrewTangClan> My pi seems to be in Groundhog's day mode... / is mounted rw but rebooting seems to wipe any changes made
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[19:39] <BrewTangClan> Any idea what could be causing that?
[19:40] <r3> I've seen that and the answer was a bad SD card
[19:40] <BrewTangClan> erg. Here's to hoping I have backups
[19:40] <r3> I couldn't get fsck or chkdsk (on the FAT partition) to work or make any difference
[19:41] <r3> but was able to mount it, pull the data off it, throw out the SD card, install new one, re-install OS, etc...
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[19:49] <shbrngdo> that actually makes sense. you can clone the SD card's current state onto a new one (of the same size). keep in mind that expanding the file system, once it's already been expanded, is a bit tricky. I've done it, but it's tricky. I also forget exactly what I did.
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[19:49] <ali1234> expanding is always easy. it is shrinking it back down that is hard
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[19:52] <r3> oh I didn't say clone, I meant literally just pull the data I wanted off of it. Screw trying to clone it - especially if the new SD card doesn't exactly match the old SD card. Took the opportunity to install a faster, larger SD card and just started over from scratch with the image from the Foundation site. Cloning it would have been a whole other box of worms...
[19:52] <shbrngdo> good point
[19:53] <r3> plus trying to perfectly copy a filesystem that's mounted isn't a good idea anyway.
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[19:53] <shbrngdo> you pull hte SD out, plug it into a Linux or BSD box (or a Mac even), then use 'dd' to copy it
[19:54] <r3> or just mount it there, grab your data, and off you go.
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[19:54] <shbrngdo> sure, same idea
[19:54] <shbrngdo> except one uses file-based copies onto a new SD
[19:54] <shbrngdo> that's also a nice way to customize before you re-boot, except for package installs
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[19:55] <r3> which is what I ended up doing. Then making sure that the data, in the future, was copied over to the NAS nightly. So if it happened again, and it will, I could just re-image it
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[19:55] <shbrngdo> if I make a major change the SD card gets dd'd to an archive directory, but otherwise file-based backups and tar-backups work great
[19:55] <r3> also making a few system tweaks to make it nicer to the SD card, things to do with swap and timestamping
[19:56] <shbrngdo> 'no swap' might be better with 1G RAM. you can always add it later if you need it, using a file-based swap
[19:56] <r3> aye, I forget now exactly what I did, I have it documented somewhere, but that's the idea
[19:57] <shbrngdo> search engine will reveal it in one or two pages [of ads thrown in your face]
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[19:57] <shbrngdo> you could add "site:linux.org" to limit that, heh
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[19:58] <shbrngdo> or maybe it's kernel.org that has all of those goodies. whatever
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[19:58] <r3> which reminds me I should proactively put new SD cards in the remaining 5 systems before they fail. Or not. If they fail now I wouldn't lose anything, especially if they come back up in "Groundhog Day Mode" - which - btw - is a GREAT name for that syndrome! :)
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[19:59] <shbrngdo> I suspect it's failing to write new data but explicitly NOT losing the old data, maybe because it detects the bad bits and has no spare NVRAM chunks to re-locate to
[20:00] <shbrngdo> SD typically needs to do block-based writes. SD file systems accomodate this and have a strategy of 'leveling' but if your file system is full this can fail prematurely
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[20:00] <shbrngdo> it's like "erase to all 1's" and then write the block
[20:01] <shbrngdo> the erase cycle is what wears the out
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[20:02] <Ilyas> how do I get the device names for my sdcard to use with badblocks?
[20:02] <shbrngdo> type "mount" and see what's mounted to '/'
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[20:03] <Ilyas> /dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered)
[20:03] <Ilyas> I guess thats the one
[20:03] <shbrngdo> sounds correct to me. 'p2' is partition 2 FYI
[20:03] <r3> probably /dev/mmcblk0
[20:03] <shbrngdo> partition 1 is the FAT partition containing boot files
[20:03] <Ilyas> partition 1 seems to be
[20:03] <Ilyas> ^ that
[20:04] <shbrngdo> the broadcom loader needs a FAT partition. no biggee really.
[20:04] <Ilyas> but then how do I run the badblocks check?
[20:04] <Ilyas> it said /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted; it's not safe to run badblocks!
[20:05] <shbrngdo> what I'd do is power down, remove the card, and use a separate Linux box with the SD card attached to that system
[20:05] <Ilyas> I dont have any, except for VM's
[20:05] <shbrngdo> are you using VirtualBox? If you have USB for an SD card, you can use the hosts' USB ports [depending on how it's set up]
[20:06] <r3> I got a USB<-->SD card reader/adapter for just such things, works at the VM as you can mount a USB
[20:06] <shbrngdo> ack - what r3 said
[20:06] <Ilyas> Ive got Vbox lying aroung yeah
[20:06] <shbrngdo> still if you've got an image for Linux, I recommend getting an old laptop or beater box and just putting it on there specifically for things _like_ this
[20:06] <shbrngdo> you might actualyl find you like it.
[20:06] <Ilyas> okay so, pwoer down Pi, feed SDmicro to Vbox vm via USB reader, then run badblocks?
[20:06] <r3> you might be able to make a boot-only SD card, boot into that, then - well - you would still need a USB Adapter to put the SD card into that you're trying to work on
[20:07] <Ilyas> won't the USB interfere?
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[20:07] <BurtyB> runnning badblocks write tests on an SD sounds a good way to kill it if it's on it's way out :)
[20:07] <shbrngdo> Ilyas - that sounds like a plan. It's a file system, so SD interface vs USB doesn't matter
[20:07] <Ilyas> k
[20:07] <shbrngdo> how about you use 'dd' to back it up first?
[20:08] <r3> ddrescue > dd ... look for the gddrescue package to install it.
[20:08] <Ilyas> does DD take the partition/file table int oaccount ?
[20:08] <r3> no, it does a bit-by-bit copy of whatever
[20:08] <shbrngdo> r3 - I've never used gddrescue - it's probably worth it, yeah.
[20:08] <r3> shbrngdo: one use and you will never go back to dd
[20:08] * shbrngdo is using FreeBSD anyway - but the userland utilities are mostly the same
[20:08] <Ilyas> alright, maybe I should just pluck out important config files first
[20:09] <Ilyas> I don't have a gui btw, doing this all via ssh
[20:09] <r3> the only way to fly.
[20:09] <Ilyas> GUI's have their uses
[20:09] <r3> yes to open multiple terminal windows ;)
[20:09] <shbrngdo> there's a port for sysutils/ddrescue - 'GNU ddrescue' - same one?
[20:10] <r3> if you're in raspbian, you want gddrescue
[20:10] <r3> or debian
[20:10] <shbrngdo> downloaded the source pretty fast
[20:11] <shbrngdo> r3 - right - debian package names are usually close to FBSD ports names, but yeah you gotta search 'smart' for them
[20:11] <shbrngdo> installed it. that was nice.
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[20:12] <r3> be sure to read up a bit on the mapfiles, but in short you want to use them.
[20:12] <shbrngdo> I should try ddrescue out on some DVDs that I have that have errors when I play them. might be able to get a working DVD out of it
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[20:13] <shbrngdo> yeah I'll have to save the research for later though. installed the package since it looks really useful.
[20:15] <shbrngdo> Ilyas - you might try doing a tar backup of the entire /etc tree, then extract it someplace else - write the file to an NFS share if you can mount NFS still
[20:16] <shbrngdo> also /tmp should still be writeable as it's a memory file system last i checked. so cd / ; tar -cJ -f /tmp/etcbackup.txz /etc ; scp /tmp/etcbackup.txz you@otherbox:
[20:17] <shbrngdo> then extract it into a directory that's NOT / on the new rpi, and you can compare files later and see what's different, update on new one
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[20:18] <shbrngdo> tar backups are the 'old school' way of doing UNIX/Linux/BSD and similar OSs
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[20:19] <BrewTangClan> is lightdm still the lightest-weight gui/dm for raspbian?
[20:19] <BurtyB> or something like .. "tar -c /etc | ssh user@host "cat - > destfile" and skip saving it to tmp
[20:20] <shbrngdo> BurtyB - good point - yours might be better
[20:22] <shbrngdo> BrewTangClan - 'twm' might be the lightest, but I wouldn't want to use it. lxde seems to be good enough in my opinion
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[20:23] <BrewTangClan> shbrngdo: word. Looking for something to use with the 7" touchscreen as a touchscreen interface for my kegerator. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of reliability of the pi in my experience... maybe I'm just buying the wrong SD cards and power bricks/cables
[20:24] <BrewTangClan> that said, I'm also very tempted to get the 3 B+
[20:25] <tvm> what you expect from the gui/dm ?
[20:25] <shbrngdo> well, if you have trouble with your system, is it overheating? the backlight on a 7" screen, if too close to the board, might be a part of the problem. I think the 3.3v power supply is rated at "an extra 50ma" so you can't power anything major off of it. Separate power for screen and Pi might help too
[20:26] <shbrngdo> I wouldn't want to imagine what might happen if the 3.3v gets screwy
[20:26] <BrewTangClan> tvm: basic stuff. boot into GUI, launch browser to BrewPi web UI, eventually looking to add liquid flow meters and a UI for tracking who's drinking what / how much
[20:26] * shbrngdo would expect NOT being "2D FLATSO"
[20:27] <tvm> BrewTangClan, i use "nodm" for that, but it's very minimal, but it might fit your requirements
[20:27] <BrewTangClan> for now, I just want to display the current temperature on the screen. so boot to GUI, launch browser, nav to localhost
[20:27] <tvm> for one app setups it works well
[20:27] <shbrngdo> dedicated system yeah
[20:27] <shbrngdo> alwys full screen
[20:27] <tvm> i even use it in commercial products
[20:27] <shbrngdo> make sure you comply with GPL when yo udo that. just sayin. you probably do.
[20:28] <tvm> i write code, how they market it/do it is their business
[20:28] <shbrngdo> I was on the phone for an hour or two discussing GPL stuff for a customer last year
[20:28] <BrewTangClan> shbrngdo: I don't think it's overheating, pi is mounted above the board for the touchscreen, on standoffs, around 15-20mm
[20:28] <shbrngdo> conference call with a high priced NYC lawyer.
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[20:29] <shbrngdo> BrewTangClan - where is the power for the touchscreen coming from - the Pi or separate power?
[20:29] <BrewTangClan> I had GPIO jumpers to power the touchscreen, the case I ordered comes with a microusb splitter
[20:29] <BrewTangClan> 5v/2a brick currently. Not sure if USB splitter would improve things vs single USB + GPIO power
[20:29] <shbrngdo> the RPi GPIOs powering the screen? or jumper from 5v or 3.3v?
[20:30] <shbrngdo> the Pi may not be able to supply power off of the 5V pin to your device. you should probably have a separate wire frmo the 5V source directly.
[20:31] <BrewTangClan> shbrngdo: https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-files/2718/2718build.jpg bottom most pic on the left
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[20:31] <BrewTangClan> when the case gets here (end of the week) I'll start doing it that way
[20:31] <BrewTangClan> for now, I just flashed a separate card from an older/more reliable pi setup, running the updates and whatnot now
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[20:32] <BrewTangClan> WOO! >reboot >login >ls >this_better_be_here_after_reboot actually appears
[20:33] <BrewTangClan> I guess I gotta quit buying SD cards on amazon
[20:33] <shbrngdo> adafruit's instructions and equipment - probably ok then to do it as they say
[20:33] <shbrngdo> get a fast card from a reliable maker. SanDisk seems to be one of the best. not always, but I've had mostly good luck with SanDisk.
[20:33] <BrewTangClan> in "production" it's also powering an arduino uno via usb. Might be too much power draw. Hopefully the usb splitter will improve things
[20:34] <BrewTangClan> till then, I'll run it headless or HDMI
[20:34] <shbrngdo> well, power by USB is limited to 500ma by the spec, though an external power-only thingy can go up to 2A typically.
[20:35] <shbrngdo> I tend to favor powering directly to the 5V pin from a different power source
[20:35] <shbrngdo> also here's something else: make sure you do a complete shutdown before powering off. just in case.
[20:35] <BrewTangClan> I'm tempted to try the 3B+ with the PoE hat, though that wouldn't work in this case because my kegerator isn't located in range of ethernet
[20:35] <shbrngdo> that's a big pet pieve with me [FBSD has no built-in way of determing power off without a console]
[20:35] <BrewTangClan> shbrngdo: define "complete shutdown" - shutdown -h now?
[20:36] <shbrngdo> right but wait for it to halt completely
[20:36] <BrewTangClan> only red LED on the pi?
[20:36] <shbrngdo> it needs to unmount / after flushing the buffers
[20:36] <shbrngdo> the LEDs aren't enough, from what i've seen
[20:36] <BrewTangClan> when I do that, the touchscreen goes dark and only the red LED is lit- hard to be sure beyond that
[20:36] <shbrngdo> it's probably safe at that point
[20:37] <shbrngdo> takes about 30 seconds after you do the command, depending
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[20:37] <shbrngdo> maybe less, depends on your RPi
[20:38] <shbrngdo> but anyway if you're burning out SD cards it could be several things, not the least of which is poweroff before flushing
[20:39] <BrewTangClan> I had an apt-get upgrade running last night... moved the pi back 6" to make room for st patricks day festivities, power cycled... that could have been the cause of my demise
[20:39] <BrewTangClan> corrupt/dead SD cards seem to be a quarterly routine for me
[20:39] <shbrngdo> yeah if it's busy writing and/or packages are in an inconsistent state
[20:40] <BrewTangClan> I didn't realize it was in groundhog day mode until I was troubleshooting a dpkg failure / segfault
[20:40] <BrewTangClan> so I wasted like 5 hours last night essentially trying to update/configure a deep freeze box
[20:40] <shbrngdo> in a way I'm glad that what I do with FreeBSD is an 'all or nothing' deal for userland + kernel [minus 3rd party stuff]. in FBSD I mount the SD card and use 'make installkernel' and 'make installworld' with DESTDIR set to the mounted SD card
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[20:41] <shbrngdo> obviously that's more complicated but it's also more controlled and restartable
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[20:41] <BrewTangClan> part of me wants to try to install gentoo on the pi (I was a gentoo buff back in my day) but I'm just not that masochistic these days
[20:41] <shbrngdo> heh yeah. still you'd think there would be a way to do an OS upgrade without getting way out of sync like that. backup first I guess
[20:42] <shbrngdo> also fsck the SD card while mounted elsewhere - who knows, might fix it
[20:42] <shbrngdo> er, NOT mounted but inserted
[20:43] <BrewTangClan> I like full size SD a lot better. my microSD to USB adapter is lost in the aether
[20:43] <BrewTangClan> too damn small
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[20:43] <shbrngdo> heh - yeah I got a few "big SD" adapters laying about
[20:43] <shbrngdo> MMC adaptors I guess you'd call em
[20:45] <shbrngdo> I had a bad one of those once. THEY _can_ fail, too
[20:45] <shbrngdo> if it came with a newer SD card, though, you should be ok to use it with anything
[20:51] <BurtyB> I've set wifi country and ssid/psk with raspi-config am I missing another step to get wifi working on a pi3+?
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[21:13] <davr0s> can you hackintosh an rpi :)
[21:13] <davr0s> or at least is there a DE nicely setup with globalmenu everything
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[21:15] <leftyfb> davr0s: since there's no ARM OSX, no
[21:15] <davr0s> yeah i was joking
[21:15] <leftyfb> davr0s: global menu?
[21:16] <davr0s> mac style menu
[21:16] <davr0s> sometimes called globalmenu in linux
[21:16] <zproc> davr0s: yes there are two plugins i believe for XFCE4
[21:18] <zproc> davr0s: for instance https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/xfce4-topmenu-plugin i can't remember if it's Raspbian repos... and there's another one, i think that it should be more "up to date"
[21:18] <davr0s> yeah thats the real q ... on the rpi
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[21:20] <zproc> I was setting up a System7/9 XFCE4 desktop recently on a Pi out of "boredom" (let's say...)... but that's on my sd that died...
[21:20] <zproc> I still have the XFCE config files but hadn't tried topmenu on the Pi
[21:21] <zproc> davr0s: on my Pi with DietPi based on Raspbian, "lxpanel-plugin-topmenu - Topmenu plugin for the LXDE", mate-applet-topmenu - Topmenu applet for the MATE panel, xfce4-topmenu-plugin - Topmenu panel plugin for the Xfce4 desktop
[21:21] <davr0s> nice
[21:21] <zproc> I can't recall the name of that other plugin i saw... but you should be able to find it by searching
[21:23] <zproc> This one https://github.com/rilian-la-te/vala-panel-appmenu i think
[21:23] <zproc> No idea on a Pi tho or i can't remember
[21:23] <zproc> anyway
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[21:41] <davr0s> anyway if it works, great, but if not.. the rpi is still very cool without it
[21:41] <davr0s> xfce is another nice light environment
[21:41] <davr0s> i wish 'globalmenu' was more common
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[22:38] <BrewTangClan> RIP... just burned another two hours. Stretch doesn't offer php5, which is a must for the not-so-up-to-date brewpi software :/
[22:38] <BrewTangClan> flashing jesse and pouring another drinkl
[22:39] <_Trullo> should I pay for dakboard, or is there something similar free?
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[22:44] <Idiotist> Hi there, I really have no idea of [this problem](https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/q/81520/83579). Anyone can help me?
[22:46] <BrewTangClan> Idiotist: mount shows it mounted as rw?
[22:46] <BrewTangClan> I wonder if it's just a permissions issue and a lazy check ("I can't write here so it must be read-only"
[22:46] <Idiotist> BrewTangClan: mount shows no info about /tmp
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[22:47] <Idiotist> BrewTangClan: https://pastebin.com/XDnzAX7J
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[22:49] <Idiotist> BrewTangClan: idk, is raspbian defautly enabled SELinux?
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[22:50] <BrewTangClan> good question, no idea. I would assume no but I could easily be wrong
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[22:53] <Idiotist> It seems that defaultly there is no /etc/sysconfig/selinux and command sestatus is not installed
[22:53] <Idiotist> So maybe SELinux is not installed at all
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