#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-03-19

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[1:21] <kzisme> Anyone here use PiVPN on a zeroW?
[1:22] * BurtyB just uses openvpn
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[2:25] <gchcetiH> <BrewTangClan> RIP... just burned another two hours. Stretch doesn't offer php5, which is a must for the not-so-up-to-date brewpi software :/
[2:25] <gchcetiH> if it's in Jessie you can add 'deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi' to /etc/apt/sources.list
[2:26] <gchcetiH> assuming it's in jessie
[2:27] <gchcetiH> then, after installing it, 'sudo apt-mark hold [packages]'
[2:27] <gchcetiH> to prevent them from being updated to php7
[2:27] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[2:28] <ShapeShifter499> if I use my pi zero as a "ethernet gadget" does that mean I cannot plug in USB devices at the same time?
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[2:29] <leftyfb> are we able to use ifupdown or are we now stuck with netplan?
[2:29] <gchcetiH> ShapeShifter499: yes
[2:29] <plugwash> indeed, the Pi only has one USB controller, It can be a USB host or a USB device (aka gadget) but not both at the same time.
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[2:32] <ShapeShifter499> right ok, that is going to change somethings then
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[2:43] <pixalot> I have a rpi 3 that is yanking my chain. The wifi keeps turning off/going into powersave/whatever. What needs to be done to fix this?
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[2:46] <pixalot> From a screen and keyboard attached to it, running systemctl stop/start networking won't bring it back up. I can't ping the AP.
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[2:46] <pixalot> Only a reboot will get it back on the network
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[3:36] <zproc> pixalot: i think i remember reading about this problem...
[3:36] <zproc> perhaps a common one on some PI3s
[3:37] <zproc> maybe related to the PSU?
[3:38] <zproc> Oh wait, i remember i had this problem for a while too...
[3:38] <zproc> When i used it on Ubuntu Mate initially, at first, there was a firmware update since iirc
[3:38] <zproc> pixalot
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[3:40] <zproc> pixalot: i found this i don't know if it's the same problem i had: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=44044&start=455
[3:40] <zproc> pixalot: yeah there's a firmware update that fixes this
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[3:43] <pixalot> zproc, thanks. I'll check it out.
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[3:50] <kzisme> Anyone ever ran into issues like: Err:1 http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian stretch/main armhf tightvncserver armhf 1:1.3.9-9
[3:50] <kzisme> when trying to apt-get something?
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[3:53] <plugwash> Can you try wget http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/t/tightvnc/tightvncserver_1.3.9-9_armhf.deb
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[3:53] <plugwash> and tell me what it comes back with
[3:54] <plugwash> (apt's error reporting is unfortunately pretty useless)
[3:54] <kzisme> I keep getting this as well...nspacket_write_poll: Connection to 192.168.1.126 port 22: Host is down
[3:54] <kzisme> It's a new pi zerow - I'm trying to do it all headless
[3:55] <kzisme> I ran re-ssh in jut fine though one moment
[3:56] <kzisme> plugwash:https://pastebin.com/Ficq7Gki
[3:56] <plugwash> looks normal :/
[3:56] <kzisme> Odd....
[3:57] <plugwash> or does it, hmm
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[3:58] <kzisme> re-running apt-get stuff will paste in a moment
[3:59] <kzisme> plugwash:https://pastebin.com/0Vv3BQNt
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[4:00] <plugwash> Bottom line is it looks like your network is flaky
[4:00] <Jekotia> kzisme: Have you tried pinging "mirrordirector.raspbian.org" ? That it's having problems RESOLVING it sounds like DNS issues
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[4:01] <kzisme> Interesting - My zeroW is pretty much sitting next to my AP
[4:02] <kzisme> ping: mirrordirector.raspbian.org: Temporary failure in name resolution
[4:02] <kzisme> Is what the ping returned Jekotia
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[4:17] <Jekotia> kzisme: Try to ping 2a00:1098:0:80:1000:75:0:3. When I ping mirrordirector.raspbian.org, ping reports that as the IP address being resolved to
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[4:20] <kzisme> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ping 2a00:1098:0:80:1000:75:0:3
[4:20] <kzisme> connect: Network is unreachable
[4:20] <Jekotia> kzisme: If you do get a response pinging it directly, you can add an entry to your hosts file so that your system know what IP to try for that host, until you figure out the DNS issue. If you don't get a response, IDK, could be more than DNS.
[4:20] <kzisme> Jekotia:
[4:20] <kzisme> hmm
[4:20] <kzisme> It's something weird with this pi - I have an Rpi3 running just fine
[4:20] <Jekotia> Unfortunately I don't have time to dig any deeper, I really need to get to sleep
[4:21] <kzisme> np
[4:22] <shbrngdo> kzisme - try ping6 on the ipv6 address... some systems require you to specify ping6 rather than ping
[4:23] <shbrngdo> also to solve network problems - cat /etc/resolv.conf and let us know what's in that file
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[4:25] <kzisme> shbrngdo: One moment - I keep receiving ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.126 port 22: Host is down - so will grab that conf in a sec
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[4:25] <shbrngdo> well if you can plug in a keyboard/mouse and use the monitor...
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[4:25] <shbrngdo> zero should have a monitor jack [I assume you have the converter doohickey for HDMI]
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[4:27] <kzisme> shbrngdo: Nope :) That's the one thing I forgot to grab lol so that's why I'm dong the headless route
[4:27] <shbrngdo> headless is great as long as you can access the serial console. is it enabled?
[4:28] <shbrngdo> oh, and one more thing: if dhcp assigned 192.168.1.126 last time, chances are you have a different IP. you could try an nmap scan on port 22 on your subnet
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[4:29] <shbrngdo> normally if the DHCP server is set up correctly, the RPi will announce itself with a particular name, and the DNS will be updated.
[4:29] <shbrngdo> otherwise, you should give it a static IP to avoid these problems
[4:29] <kzisme> shbrngdo: In my router it still has the same IP under the leases info
[4:29] <shbrngdo> are there other services running besides ssh ?
[4:29] <shbrngdo> you can scan for those too
[4:31] <shbrngdo> earlier you said the pi zeroW was sitting next to the AP - I suggest a distance of at least 10 feet. wireless cards hate being 'screamed at' by the access point.
[4:31] <shbrngdo> too close could give you distorted signals
[4:32] <kzisme> Hmm I only moved it closer since it was further heh
[4:32] <kzisme> Only SSH
[4:32] <shbrngdo> well I might suggest rebooting the pi zero to make sure that it's not hung up someplace
[4:32] <kzisme> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[4:32] <kzisme> # Generated by resolvconf
[4:32] <kzisme> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[4:32] <kzisme> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[4:33] <shbrngdo> what does netstat -r tell ya about the routings?
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[4:33] <shbrngdo> assuming you can get through soehow like with a GUI
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[4:39] <kzisme> shbrngdo: pi@raspberrypi:~ $ netstat -r
[4:39] <kzisme> Kernel IP routing table
[4:39] <kzisme> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface
[4:39] <kzisme> default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0
[4:39] <kzisme> 10.8.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 tun0
[4:39] <kzisme> 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0
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[4:40] <shbrngdo> ah, ok. you should be able to do a traceroute to any machine trying to access ssh then, see what's happening
[4:41] <shbrngdo> you might also make sure you're not misconfiguring ssh by checking /etc/ssh/sshd_config and see if the IP address range for ssh access is correct
[4:41] <kzisme> trace route to any IP then pretty much?
[4:41] <kzisme> I basically just used PiBakery to set this SSD up
[4:41] <kzisme> first time using it
[4:41] <shbrngdo> 'netstat -l' will tell you the listening sockets, and you can make sure it's listening on 22
[4:41] <shbrngdo> 'Pibakery' - not familiar with it.
[4:41] <kzisme> http://www.pibakery.org/
[4:42] <kzisme> maybe something got mis-configured?
[4:42] <shbrngdo> it's a fair bet, yeah. what's the machine's name in this case
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[4:42] <kzisme> hostname? raspberrypi
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[4:43] <shbrngdo> that's what is in /etc/hostname then [just making sure]
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[4:44] <shbrngdo> so anyway nslookup on raspberrypi should resolve as whatever IP it was assigned
[4:45] <shbrngdo> but your resolv.conf file didn't have any 'search' line as I recall, so not sure how the DNS will react to it
[4:45] <shbrngdo> you could try 'ping raspberrypi' and see how it goes
[4:47] <kzisme> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
[4:47] <kzisme> raspberrypi
[4:47] <kzisme> shbrngdo: hmm
[4:48] <shbrngdo> anyway traceroute will tell you if there's connectivity, 'netstat -l' will show you if ssh is even listening on port 22 [maybe it's not starting for some reason].
[4:49] <shbrngdo> also 'arp -a' will let you now what other machines on the network that your RPi can currently see. it's a nice test.
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[4:52] <kzisme> shbrngdo: Connectivity to what? If I'm locally sshing to it and it cant find a apt-get mirror
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[4:52] <shbrngdo> oh wait you have local ssh - ok, then try this (on the RPi): traceroute bigbadbob.name [this will test a lot of things]
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[4:53] <shbrngdo> if that doesn't work, try it with the IP address: traceroute 66.47.136.67
[4:53] <shbrngdo> if your gateway and everything else is correctly set up, you should get some pings back
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[5:04] <kzisme> shbrngdo: ok it worked : https://pastebin.com/S7EUkGk4
[5:05] <kzisme> thoughts?
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[6:20] <quarterback> Hello, I'm trying to run snmpd on a RPI 3 model B. I get an error that PCI device is not detected even though there is no pci device in it. The link https://sourceforge.net/p/net-snmp/bugs/2449/ suggests a patch. Do I need to recompile raspbian after changing the source or header files or is there another way?
[6:21] <quarterback> I'm somewhat new to RPI and not very knowledgeable on applying patches to the kernel.
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[6:28] <quarterback> The RPI machine I'm using is running latest version of raspbian.
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[6:40] <mlelstv> it's a patch to net-snmp. You would need to rebuild that package.
[6:41] <I_Died_Once> Hi, I'm looking to take an existing rpi3 image and make it compatible with the new rpi3b plus board. Havin a hard time finding / searching for what i need, anyone got anything written up?
[6:41] <greenywd> i don't think you need to make any changes?
[6:42] <I_Died_Once> yeah from what i can read about it, its needed firmware for the new board
[6:42] <stiv> given that the patch is from 2014, i'm surprised it isnt in the code
[6:43] <mlelstv> stiv, should be. at least we are now at 5.7.3
[6:46] <mlelstv> it is
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[6:48] <mlelstv> or rather something similar
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[7:03] <quarterback> mlelstv, I get some results with snmpwalk -v 1 -c public 192.168.2.69 iso.3.6.1.4.1.12345.100.4.1.1.1.3.4 from a server that is polling a rpi for data.
[7:03] <quarterback> mlelstv, It seems snmpd is running on rpi
[7:03] <quarterback> mlelstv, 192.168.2.69 is the ip address of rpi.
[7:03] <mlelstv> 5.7.3 should
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[7:44] <quarterback> mlelstv, How do I apply the patch? Do I have to download source of raspbia and recompile, recreate ISO file?
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[8:04] <mlelstv> you would need to recompile the package. But if 5.7.3 already has the fix, I don't see why.
[8:04] <mlelstv> first check the version you have :)
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[9:37] <MrCrackPotBuilde> is there any config at all that needs to be edited inthe Rpi to remote ssh from outside the network using a phone
[9:37] <MrCrackPotBuilde> I managed to get it set up on my windows server and my ubuntu desktop and finally my laptop
[9:37] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but for some weird reason i cant get the pi to work
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[9:42] <BurtyB> MrCrackPotBuilde, once ssh is enabled the Pi shouldn't need anything else if the router/network is setup for it
[9:43] <MrCrackPotBuilde> would it be down to the port im using
[9:43] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i set the router to use 4444
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[9:46] <gordonDrogon> I_Died_Once, just make sure you're up to date with apt-get update/upgrade and the SD card ought to be fine over all Pi's.
[9:46] <BurtyB> MrCrackPotBuilde, if you have the router set to forward that port to 22 on the pi (or reconfigure the ssh port on the pi) then it should be ok (unless the isp blocks port 4444)...
[9:46] <MrCrackPotBuilde> no doesnt block i checked by checking
[9:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> now i havent edited the router same settings yet both on my phone and the comp i can get in local on 22
[9:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but not on 4444
[9:47] <kopper> Checking by checking always leads to best results
[9:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> same for remote
[9:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> so conclusion is theres got to be a port setting
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[9:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> lol
[9:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> conclusion is im an idiot
[9:49] <kopper> Don't beat yourself up
[9:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> id set the port in config but edited the backup file not the live file
[9:50] <kopper> Okay maybe a little beating
[9:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> thats a bit stupid there
[9:50] <kopper> But that's how you learn
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[10:14] <quarterback> Has anybody tried snmp with rpi? Does snmp work if I'm able to get some data with the snmpwalk command on a remote machine?
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> can't think why you can use snmp *from* a Pi - ie. to monitor a remote system/systems.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I was about to setup some of my own stuff and use a Pi - it's just a linux box after all...
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what a Pi might provide locally though - that's of lesser interest to me.
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[10:51] <quarterback> The thing is that I'm able to get some strings (data) via snmp but the snmp daemon is broken because it says it can't find a pci device for start. I'm now perplexed as to try to read something from the pi or apply a patch and rebuild raspbian, do the same process over again.
[10:53] <quarterback> The rpi is running snmpd with some data which is gathered with sensors..The strings containing the data seems fine..the only thing to do is read those strings on a remote system via snmp and plot a few graphs.
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[10:54] <Habbie> quarterback, rebuild raspbian? that seems rash
[10:55] <Habbie> quarterback, also, there is no pci on the pi
[10:55] <quarterback> Habbie, This seems to be the cause for rebuilding raspbian - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9470494/snmpd-cannot-open-proc-bus-pci
[10:56] <quarterback> Habbie, Yes, there is no pci but still I get a pci not found error when I issue the command - sudo service smtpd status
[10:56] <Habbie> right
[10:57] <Habbie> looks like you may need to rebuild snmpd
[10:57] <Habbie> not all of raspbian :)
[10:57] <Habbie> the last comment is interesting, if a little hard to believe
[10:58] <quarterback> However, when issue the command - sudo service smtpd start or sudo service smtpd restart , there are no errors.
[10:59] <quarterback> Could you tell how to rebuild snmpd ? Please read smptpd as snmpd *
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[11:03] <Habbie> this shows the general process https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/
[11:03] <Habbie> please read carefully and do not blindly copy/paste things
[11:04] <quarterback> Thanks, I appreciate your help
[11:04] <gchcetiH> copy/paste this into your terminal: "echo 'I AM AN IDIOT!'; sudo poweroff"
[11:04] <Habbie> gchcetiH, stop it
[11:05] <quarterback> I needed to do this quickly or else I would have done that the normal way.
[11:05] <gchcetiH> :( I was just making a joke
[11:05] <Habbie> gchcetiH, it's not appropriate in a channel full of people who are new to all of this
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[11:07] <quarterback> I'm new to snmp too, so that needs some work for creating software agents with OIDs / MIB. I gather that MIB is not necessary compared to OID. The remote machine polls a host RPI with those OIDs for getting data.
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[11:13] <quarterback> Now, I created those agents. Have to get snmpd working.
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[12:06] <katnip> http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-raspberry-pi-is-the-feel-good-tech-success-that-we-really-need/
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[13:32] <pwillard> Others have tried to emulate rpi... others also think "it is just about the hardware" and that's where they went wrong.
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[14:35] <BCMM> i mean, i don't think anybody's produced one that's better on all fronts
[14:35] <BCMM> a common one is "much nicer hardware, but the GPU basically doesn't work unless you use android"
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[14:42] <BurtyB> the Pi has a GPU? ;)
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[14:43] <BurtyB> don't think I've plugged one into a monitor in ages heh
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[14:44] <leftyfb> pretty excited about my new toy :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzc6mv7l2jzyuni/2018-03-18%2014.16.43.jpg?dl=0
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[14:46] <leftyfb> most of the purpose is to limit it down to this in the server cabinet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2vj3sqyghq2j44/2018-03-17%2022.14.00.jpg?dl=0
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[14:46] <davr0s> whats that , a pi clusterr connected to a hd?
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[14:47] <leftyfb> It's not a cluster. Just 4 pi's doing different things.
[14:48] <davr0s> is that an HDD on the right
[14:48] <leftyfb> yep
[14:48] <leftyfb> that's for the pi that does my backups
[14:48] <davr0s> how is the HDD connected
[14:48] <davr0s> usb stuff?
[14:48] <leftyfb> magic ;)
[14:48] <leftyfb> In that picture it's not. I have since plugged in the usb cable to one of the pi's
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[14:49] <leftyfb> This is much better than having 4 power cords, ethernet cables and 4 random pi's banging around the inside of the server cabinet. This is way cleaner
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[14:50] <waveform> all netbooting? (I assume given the lack of SD cards)
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[14:51] <leftyfb> Also didn't have the sd cards installed in the pic. Sorry. I took the picture before it was all done. I got excited :)
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[14:51] <waveform> heh - well, it's a very neat layout
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[14:52] <leftyfb> I was thinking about doing 1 or more of them via pxe. But then that just introduces another piece of infrastructure and single point of failure
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[14:54] <davr0s> rpis can netboot now????
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[14:54] <waveform> fair enough - recently been playing with netbooting here and so far I'm quite impressed.
[14:55] <waveform> davr0s, the pi3 is first one in which it's "built-in" though earlier models can netboot with an SD card just containing the bootcode.bin file (so the SD card is effectively read-only)
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[14:55] <davr0s> wow nice
[14:56] <waveform> however, the new 3+ is the first one in which it's really reliable (the 3's built-in bootcode has a few snags, unsurprising given it was the first one to do it natively, but if you hit those snags you can just use an SD card with bootcode.bin as with earlier models)
[14:56] <davr0s> i have 2xRPi2, 1xrpi0w , 2x cameras. i'm sort of tempted to even that up to 4 total pis, 4 cameras, but have some indicision here
[14:57] <davr0s> could grab a Pi3+, which would be nicer as a computer to actually use
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[14:57] <leftyfb> waveform: what's the pxe server side look like?
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[14:57] <davr0s> could grab another rpi0w, which is more symetrical
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[14:57] <leftyfb> waveform: is there an official way of serving up raspbian? Ubuntu?
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[14:58] <waveform> leftyfb, trivial frankly: dnsmasq (for DHCP and TFTP) and nfs-server is all you need
[14:58] <leftyfb> I mean the served up files. I can build pxe servers in my sleep :)
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[14:59] <waveform> ah :) very straight-forward too: the TFTP server serves up the contents of the /boot partition (so it needs bootcode.bin, start.elf, and a kernel image at minimum). The kernel cmdline points to the NFS export serving the root. As for the root itself: a straight image of Raspbian ... or whatever ... is all you need
[15:00] <waveform> I literally rsync'd a Raspbian image into an export, set up the TFTP side of things ... and it worked right off the bat
[15:00] <waveform> haven't tried an ubuntu mate image yet but basically there's nothing fancy going on so anything ought to work
[15:00] <leftyfb> interesting. I'll have to play with it at some point
[15:01] <waveform> the nice bit is that Pis first query the TFTP server for [my-serial-number]/bootcode.bin and if they find that they assume all other boot files are under [my-serial-number] which means you can serve up images for multiple Pis from a simple set of dirs (or in my case, symlinks to dirs so I can switch images easily)
[15:02] <waveform> more info here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/
[15:02] <leftyfb> you mean MAC, not serial right?
[15:02] <waveform> no, I mean serial
[15:02] <ali1234> same thing on the pi, but yes
[15:02] <waveform> as in the thing found at the bottom of /proc/cpuinfo
[15:03] <waveform> and yeah, it's the last few octets of the ethernet interface (unless you're on an A/A+? I haven't checked on those...)
[15:03] <ali1234> also worth noting that the 3B firmware doesn't do that
[15:03] <waveform> oh, and for reference, the netboot tutorial is: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md
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[15:04] <ali1234> in my experience the 3B doesn't work at all and the bootcode.bin on SD method worked about 75% of the time as of two weeks ago
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[15:04] <waveform> hmm, I managed to get the 3B netbooting without an SD card, but it was extremely hit and miss (about 1 in 4 attempts worked). With the SD card I've had 100% success ... so far :)
[15:04] <ali1234> i don't know what version the 3+ has but i can guarantee it's not 100% bug free yet
[15:04] <leftyfb> ali1234: the 3B firmware doesn't do what? Check for serial#?
[15:05] <ali1234> leftyfb: right. the 3B just goes directly for bootcode.bin
[15:05] <waveform> leftyfb, yup - but stuff in an SD card with the updated bootcode.bin and it will, so no big deal
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[15:05] <leftyfb> that's disappointing then
[15:05] <leftyfb> still requires an SD card
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[15:06] <waveform> yeah, but it's read-only and doesn't need more than a few meg space so scrounge up and ancient one (I'm using a 512Mb card :) and it's fine
[15:07] <waveform> ali1234, yeah - I've hit an interesting snag with the 3+'s firmware: can't reboot so far (it's happy netbooting from cold, but when rebooting it gets *some* way thru the /boot stuff and then fails ... need to do a bit more digging on it)
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[15:07] <ali1234> oh i've seen that one too
[15:07] <ali1234> i think it is something to do with tftp
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[15:08] <ali1234> if you start downloading a file and then give up before the transfer completes
[15:08] <ali1234> then i think dnsmasq just continues where it left off when it gets another request for the same file
[15:08] <waveform> yeah - it's during the TFTP phase it fails ... but I'm not sure it's download failure (I've had several successful boots where it's had to retry kernel7.img, unsurprisingly given it's the largest file ... but never on a reboot)
[15:09] <ali1234> i've seen corrupted initrd a few times when i hit the reset button during download
[15:09] <ali1234> it gets all the other files okay and then boots the kernel and then says "corrupted initrd"
[15:09] <ali1234> if kernel7 is the largest file you are not trying hard enough
[15:09] <ali1234> i boot a ~60MB initrd
[15:10] <waveform> heh - so far I'm just dealing with straight raspbian images. Need to do more digging but my 3+ is tied up for the next few days doing opencv builds for piwheels!
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[15:11] <ali1234> qemu 2.11 is busted :(
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[15:11] <ali1234> takes 24 seconds to run /bin/true
[15:11] <ali1234> 2.10 took 0.05 seconds
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[15:12] <ali1234> if not for that i'd just say cross compile
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[15:14] <davr0s> i'm guessing pi0's cannot netboot over wifi :)
[15:14] <davr0s> pi0w ^
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[15:14] <waveform> heh - that's the most common FAQ we get - the basic reason is because that's much easier said than done when you're dealing with *entire* output of PyPI (there's craziness in them thar packages)
[15:14] <davr0s> wifi netboot sounds like a hacking nightmare
[15:15] <waveform> davr0s, I think that came up on the comments to the original announcement and the response was along the lines of "nothing netboots over wifi" :)
[15:16] <davr0s> will 4.5volts drive a rpi,i.e. 4xAA i see it says '5v' ..
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[15:17] <waveform> not reliably I would've thought
[15:17] <Jekotia> davr0s: 4x AA (1.5v each) would be 6v. Don't fry your Pi!
[15:17] <davr0s> 3 sorry lol
[15:18] <Jekotia> And I would have to agree with waveform
[15:18] <Jekotia> 1.5v is the nominal, healthy output. That "decays" over time. 4.5v is already toeing the line for minimum voltage
[15:19] <Jekotia> As soon as the battery voltage starts dropping from use, I would bet you'll be below the absolute minimum for the USB2.0 spec
[15:19] <kzisme> Anyone ever have issues connecting to a zerow via SSH? I connect, but now It seems it isn't on the network any longer (ping just returns timeouts)
[15:20] <Jekotia> kzisme: Pinging what? LAN or WAN devices?
[15:22] <kzisme> Pinging my RPi on the same network that is connected via wifi
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[15:23] <kzisme> Sometimes I can SSH to it just fine then this happens: pi@raspberrypi:~ $ packet_write_poll: Connection to 192.168.1.126 port 22: Host is down
[15:23] <kzisme> Now I can't connect or ping it
[15:25] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: raspbian os?
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[15:38] <mfa298> davr0s: if you're going to use batteries then you probably want 4xAA (6V) and a decent Low Dropout Regulator (linear reg might be as efficient as smps in this instance) - also find batteries with a datasheet so you can see their characterstics (voltage change over time, voltage change with current drawn etc)
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[15:41] <xgpt> hello. Can someone tell me whether the new pi, with the "gigabit ethernet over usb2.0" shares the bus with wifi and also with any drives attached via USB?
[15:42] <mfa298> xgpt: I believe it's still the same setup as earlier Pi's Ethernet shares the USB with other USB devices, Wifi is on an SDIO interface
[15:42] <xgpt> how is this different than the previous pi, which wasn't able to successfully compete with other boards as a fast NAS? I feel as though what I read means that this newest pi would make an excellent NAS
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[15:43] <xgpt> mfa298: I'm sorry, could you ELI5 how it's an SDIO interface? Is that completely off the USB shared bus?
[15:43] <waveform> nope, SDIO is separate to the USB bus
[15:43] <BurtyB> xgpt, it's really just an update rather than a new pi tho
[15:44] <waveform> so on the 3+ (and 3) ether shares an interface with USB (inc. any attach drives) but not with wifi
[15:44] <mfa298> as for being a NAS it might not be much different, you're still sharing the single USB port on the SoC with the ethernet and Drives - you might just be able to burst the ethernet a bit faster at times. (i.e. if you read data thats cached in ram)
[15:44] <xgpt> but how much of a difference is it in terms of speed? Will I be able to get true gigabit? I thought USB2.0 maxed out around half a gigabit assuming nothing else is using the bus?
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[15:45] <waveform> true gigabit as in 1Gbps? No - you'll max out at ~300Mbps assuming nothing else is using USB
[15:45] <mfa298> I think the blog post got around 300mbit/s over the ethernet, but as you try and talk to USB drives as well that will drop
[15:46] <xgpt> mfa298: so, what you're saying is that the only difference is that it's a gigabit interface over the exact same bus instead of a fast ethernet interface? So it's faster than 100Mbps, but only as fast as the people who were using gigabit USB adapters instead of the onboard ethernet on previous models?
[15:46] <xgpt> or maybe slightly faster?
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[15:46] <mfa298> xgpt: exactly that - I'm pretty sure this is all described in most of the blog posts out there.
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[15:47] <mfa298> xgpt: as BurtyB says, this is just an update to the existing Pi3, the underlying SoC is pretty much the same thing, with the same limits (and same great support)
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[15:50] <xgpt> mfa298: indeed, the question is just whether or not I want to get another $10 orange pi or pony up for a $40 new-raspberry. I think I'm going to hold out for usb3.0 and enjoy tinkering with less stable systems for the sake that I learn how to fix them. :) but to each their own. RPi is a great product, just too expensive for what I need compared to alternatives available today.
[15:50] <xgpt> thanks :D
[15:54] <kzisme> DuchiDachi: Yup! Raspbian
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[16:00] <xgpt> waveform: thanks btw
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[16:06] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: is this ur first install? did u find the same problem with other devices?
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[16:08] <kzisme> DuchiDachi: First install on a zerow headless - I have a rpi3 running just fine
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[16:13] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: zerow is connected with eth or wifi? and is the same lan of rpi3?
[16:13] <kzisme> wifi - yeah it's all running off of the same router
[16:13] <kzisme> however the rpi3 is on eth
[16:13] <DuchiDachi> rpi3 wifi too?
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[16:14] <kzisme> Nope that is running on eth
[16:14] <DuchiDachi> could it be a wifi problem?
[16:14] <kzisme> I mean all of the mobiles phones and laptops in the house run fine off of it
[16:15] <kzisme> unless something is configured in a different way
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[16:16] <DuchiDachi> A problem of the zerow wifi I mean...
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[16:17] <DuchiDachi> U should verify that the wifi card is working properly
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[16:21] <kzisme> Ah - any ideas on how to go about doing that? I did setup this image using PiBakery
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[16:35] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: mmh...Maybe PiBakery has broken something (btw I have not heard it before), for the test on the wifi you can search on google I do not know how to do it
[16:37] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: I assume you updated the zerow
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[16:38] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: If not, you should do it right now
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[16:43] <kzisme> DuchiDachi: Updated as in sudo apt-get update/upgrade?
[16:43] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: yep!
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[16:44] <kzisme> DuchiDachi: I did - but I was also having errors with hitting the mirrors/archives for the repos
[16:45] <kzisme> such as mirrordirector.raspbian.org: Temporary failure in name resolution
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[16:47] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: Ok...then try looking for a way to test the wifi card on google
[16:47] <gilesc> I'm comparing ping response of a Pi3B with a Pi3B+ over wifi
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[16:48] <gilesc> The Pi3B+ seems to have awful responses compared to the Pi3B
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[16:48] <gilesc> Pi3B: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.051/17.021/106.835/20.393 ms, whereas Pi3B+ rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.051/17.021/106.835/20.393 ms
[16:48] <gilesc> Pi3B+ rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.343/97.561/320.730/73.615 ms
[16:49] <gilesc> Wondered if anyone else is tinkering with a Pi3B+ out there and has an experience they could share?
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[16:53] <Cypher100> I don't get mine til later today, but I plan on doing some testing on it
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[16:55] <gilesc> well, yes, I guess it is a bit early
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[16:58] <shauno> hoping mine'll arrive tomorrow too
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[17:02] <gilesc> I've only tested the wifi with 2.4Ghz, but seems like the antenna is not too good, hoping there might be some firmware / driver revisions
[17:03] <shauno> it's the same antenna as the zero-W, fwiw
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[17:03] <gilesc> Ethernet works great, and a 802.11n USB dongle is pretty good too
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[17:06] <waveform> gilesc, the announcement blog post included some results from the LibreELEC developer (who had an early test model) indicating better wifi performance than the 3 (on both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz): https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-model-bplus-sale-now-35/
[17:07] <waveform> haven't tried it myself yet, but my pi0w has generally demonstrated very good wifi performance (which as noted has the same aerial)
[17:07] <gilesc> waveform, yes, I have seen the announcement, and can say that I cannot replicate those stats on the model I have received.
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[17:10] <gilesc> as you might know, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics :-)
[17:10] <gilesc> if I remove the top of the case from the Pi3B+ and place it 40cms from the Wifi AP antennas, then I can get better results: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.832/21.977/118.082/24.902 ms
[17:11] <gilesc> But the original Pi3B is through 3 walls and still delivers better real world throughput than the Pi3B+ in same test conditions.
[17:12] <waveform> hmm, just a second - I'll fire up my 3B and see what I get - can't say it'll mean a great deal though as both are within about 1m of the access point
[17:12] <waveform> (can't move the 3+ at the moment as it's busy :)
[17:13] <gilesc> In the ping I'm using -c50 and pinging my local gateway over the wifi
[17:13] <waveform> right, just a tick - find a spare power cable for the 3
[17:13] <gilesc> If I put the 3B+ in the next room, I get unusable packet loss, disassociation from wifi AP, and more than a few seconds per packet latency, lots of jitter too
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[17:14] <gilesc> Just a heads up, I'm sure others will soon be getting their Pi3B+ in the post over the coming weeks, would be good to compare notes on real world WiFi performance
[17:15] <gilesc> I'm aware that Wifi conformance was a big thing with this one, hence the shield over the IC. But wondering whether it clobbered TX power to get it...
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[17:16] <waveform> right, here we go - 3+ is done, just waiting on the 3 to complete
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[17:16] <JimBuntu> gilesc, from what I saw in the FCC pics... looked like the antenna was one of those chip kinds... and under the shield... so, I would expect there to be a hit on radiation
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[17:17] <JimBuntu> Was it just me... or can someone confirm?
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[17:17] <shauno> it's not, it's the little cavity job again. looks like a transparent triangle in the pcb
[17:17] <waveform> JimBuntu, not a chip antenna, it's the same as the proant antenna on the 0w - you can see the triangular cut-out on the bottom of the board
[17:17] <gilesc> shauno, underside or top side?
[17:17] <JimBuntu> thanks shauno & waveform
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[17:18] <shauno> "yes".
[17:19] <shauno> this is it on the zero - https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Pi-Zero-W-Capacitors.jpg
[17:19] <shauno> and on the 3b+ - http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ProAnt-Antenna-on-Raspberry-Pi-3B_1500.jpg
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[17:19] <waveform> okay, here's my results (again noting that my pis are basically next to the access point so they should be near perfect): 3+ min/avg/max/mdev = 1.324/1.659/3.913/0.412ms, 3 min/avg/max/mdev = 4.496/5.005/14.931/1.583ms
[17:19] <shauno> it's a resonant cavity, so it's etched into the pcb itself (on all layers, else it's not a cavity)
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[17:20] <waveform> (so my 3 is significantly worse)
[17:20] <gilesc> waveform, yes, those are great results, better than I was hoping for, and putting my pi3b+ to shame
[17:20] <shauno> I suspect the second set of capacitors on the 3b+ is how they make it dualband (shortening the cavity to make it resonant on a different frequency)
[17:21] <waveform> hmm ... wonder if the 3+ is using 5Ghz ... the access point does support it and the 3 wouldn't be able to use it ...
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[17:21] <gilesc> waveform, yes, I'm stuck with 2.4Ghz for the time being (my iot ap is only 2.4Ghz)
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[17:22] <waveform> well, I can disable 5Ghz on the router for a mo (don't think there's anything in the house that absolutely relies on it) - I'll re-run in a mo
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[17:25] <waveform> hmm, it's made *a* difference but not much: 3+ min/avg/max/mdev = 1.449/2.315/13.258/1.977ms (the max is probably much larger because there's plenty of things on the 2.4Ghz band which'll collide with it whereas there's not much using the 5Ghz band ... my phone is probably the only other thing in the house that supports 802.11a!)
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[17:28] <gilesc> yes - still about what I was expecting. I can see the antenna on the Pi3B+ now, will do more testing this weekend coming, won't have much time to look at it further this week, and perhaps getting a dual-band 2.4Ghz/5Ghz AP might be something worth doing before long
[17:28] <gilesc> Thanks for testing yours waveform
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[17:29] <waveform> no prob :)
[17:30] <bhermon> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Fedora release 27 (Twenty Seven) • CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor LE-1300 (1000MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.7 GiB Total (671.1 MiB Free) Swap: 3.4 GiB Total (2.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 375.5 GB / 1.0 TB (663.6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780C [Radeon 3100] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge • Uptime: 2d 0h 31m 20s
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[18:09] <Giant81> \o/ got me a pi zero w kit on amazon Sat
[18:09] <Giant81> first raspi
[18:09] <Giant81> should be fun
[18:10] <clickboom> yeah, definitely. got any projects in mind?
[18:11] <Giant81> this one I bought for a dashboard project at the fire house
[18:11] <Giant81> basicaly just a browser tab that refreshes every once in a while to show information
[18:11] <Giant81> stick it to the back of the TV, run it off the USB on the TV
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[18:12] <shbrngdo> like a web server?
[18:12] <shbrngdo> or web client (running midori?)
[18:12] <Giant81> no, like a browser, it will be the client
[18:12] <davr0s> i need to get a battery of some sort, i want to use 2 x pi as a stereo video camera
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[18:13] <Giant81> page only has a bit of javascript on it, so it shouldn't be too taxing for the raspi
[18:13] <davr0s> for bike rides. i am trying to resist giving in and just getting a pair of cheap action cameras
[18:13] <JimBuntu> davr0s, You shouldn't need to use 2 Pi's to get stereoscopic vision working
[18:13] <shbrngdo> davr0s - I've seen "charger packs" that charge up via USB, but also provide USB power. Like one of those?
[18:13] <davr0s> JimBuntu i thought each can only use one camera
[18:13] <davr0s> shbrngdo yeah somethign like that would do
[18:13] <davr0s> JimBuntu stereo video, not stills
[18:13] <shbrngdo> now you have a starting point in your search, heh
[18:14] <JimBuntu> davr0s, Nah, you can have more than one cam... think USB
[18:14] <Giant81> I would love that, a raspi, 2x HD cameras, a LARGE sd card, and then install it all into my motorcycle to record on a loop when I ride
[18:14] <davr0s> JimBuntu i thought USB cameras/connection was poor quality/performance
[18:14] <davr0s> compared to the dedicated camera port
[18:15] <davr0s> does the Pi3 have a better USB setup perhaps
[18:15] <shbrngdo> USB 3
[18:15] <shbrngdo> I think it has USB 3
[18:15] <waveform> davr0s, nope - same old USB (2)
[18:15] <shbrngdo> bummer
[18:15] <davr0s> i seem to remember it kills the network
[18:15] <shbrngdo> because the network also uses USB bus
[18:15] <shbrngdo> it's apparently the chipset doing that
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[18:15] <waveform> some USB cameras do their own video encoding in which case they can work tolerably well with the Pi (because their not eating vast amounts of the USB bandwidth)
[18:15] <shbrngdo> but that's how they do gigabit
[18:15] <davr0s> well i dont need networking and 2 cameras simultaneously
[18:16] <shbrngdo> two USB cameras [like webcams] ?
[18:16] <waveform> but the cheaper webcams that don't do any encoding are usually quite limited in the resolution that's usable (simply due to the bandwidth required)
[18:16] <davr0s> i guess 2 USB cameras if they did their own encoding might be plausible
[18:16] <Giant81> my problem with building my own dash cam with a raspi is the cost
[18:17] <Giant81> they are rather inexpensive to buy them pre-built
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[18:17] <Giant81> not sure I can get as good of a product by building my own
[18:17] * shbrngdo thinks two GoPro cameras connected via USB to the RPi
[18:17] <davr0s> well a gopro is already a camera that can store
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[18:17] <shbrngdo> not sure if you can use GoPro to sync frames though
[18:18] <davr0s> i might be happy just syncing in software later
[18:18] <Giant81> what would you need the raspi for if you have the gopros?
[18:18] <davr0s> there might be a mid-frame interpolation required
[18:18] <davr0s> thats what i thought
[18:18] <davr0s> i was trying to do this with pis and pi-cams
[18:18] <davr0s> given that the Pis can also be reused in different ways
[18:19] <shbrngdo> well two RPis would definitely do it then. but you'd need to sync the frames somehow
[18:19] <Giant81> not to mention a pi + picam = less than a gopro
[18:19] <shbrngdo> maybe use a GPIO from one of them to trigger the other?
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[18:19] <davr0s> yeah seemed like GPIO would do that
[18:20] <davr0s> i think there are uber-cheap gopro clones, it wouldn't surpise me if the cost was comparalbe once you factor in batteries etc *however* a pi-collection is multi-purpose.
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[18:23] <shbrngdo> so I guess the _REAL_ problem is the lack of a 3D camera for RPi. There's one for a playstation, not sure if you could adapt it...
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[18:23] <shbrngdo> I would guess that every bot on the planet could use a 3D camera for an RPi, even if it meant taking an existing RPi and splitting its resolution into 2 side-by-side images
[18:24] <shbrngdo> well, not EVERY bot, just ones using an RPi for imaging
[18:24] * shbrngdo figures that could be done with a special type of lense assembly
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[18:27] <waveform> shbrngdo, you can use a kinect on a Pi quite happily
[18:27] <waveform> (not exactly practical for most robots but it's a 3D camera of sorts)
[18:28] <waveform> the compute module also supports dual cameras and I vaguely recall someone demonstrating depth calculations using the dual cam setup
[18:29] <shbrngdo> I also found this - on amazon for $90 - probably overpriced but the fact that it exists means it's *possible* - https://www.amazon.com/ELP-Camera-2Megapixel-Android-Windows/dp/B078TGFZ22/
[18:29] <shbrngdo> it's a 3D camera on a circuit board
[18:29] <shbrngdo> being USB 2 it might only do still shots... however, still shots might give you a decent enough frame rate with a single RPi.
[18:30] <shbrngdo> it's supposedly to be used with a VR system
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[18:37] <ponky> hey, iirc every raspi had an unique id, which could be used as a variable in cmdline.txt, is this correcT? can't find any documentation about it
[18:37] <ponky> trying to boot multiple raspis from a single pxe server, i think that id is the only way to point them to their own nfs roots
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[18:39] <stiv> ethernet MAC address is unique
[18:41] <BurtyB> ponky, iirc it will fetch some files from /tftp/<serialnumber>/... so you can give them custom config
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[18:42] <ponky> that's even better
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[18:45] <ponky> "boot=NFS=192.168.0.9:/nfs/System/@UID@ disk=NFS=192.168.0.9:/nfs/Storage/@UID@ , where @UID@ is automatically replaced by LibreELEC with the serial number of the booting client eg. ff449f90."
[18:45] <ponky> this is what i was after
[18:45] <ponky> guess it should work in raspbian as well?
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[19:02] <BurtyB> ponky, don't know I gave up on pxe with the Pi3 (it didn't work on my switches) and I haven't looked at the pi3+ beyond checking I now see packets from it
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[19:03] <ponky> kk
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[19:22] <ponky> ok, @UID@ did not work :/
[19:28] <davr0s> shbrngdo etc: What might be nice is a stereo camera extention to the Movidius chip/movidius USB stick
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[19:29] <davr0s> you could have the pi dealing with storage,wifi,motors, and the movidius dealing with vision tasks
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[19:30] <davr0s> https://developer.movidius.com this chip has camera interfaces but they're not used in this usb stick config
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[20:23] <waveform> ponky, I don't know of any "variable" component in cmdline.txt, but the newer bootcode does indeed attempt to get /tftp/<serialnumber>/... stuff first. That means you could whip up a custom TFTP implementation that served a generated cmdline.txt
[20:23] <ponky> waveform: yeah, thanks, i'll do that. i just tested and @UID@ works on libreelec but not on raspbian
[20:25] <waveform> (there's quite a few simple scripted TFTP implementations floating around like PyPXE and TFTPy - wouldn't be terribly hard to hack something together with them)
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[20:36] <yath> hey. I'd like to report a bug in the NOOBS installer, where would I best do this?
[20:37] <waveform> yath, https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs - but do check it isn't already reported there
[20:37] <yath> (after installing and booting recalbox, or windows IoT, on a Pi 3 Model B, the device just shuts down. it works again if I replace the start.elf with the one from raspbian. is this an issue in chainloading?)
[20:37] <yath> waveform: ah, thanks
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[21:20] <Alexander-47u> does anyone have experience with nodered?
[21:20] <Alexander-47u> node-red
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[21:23] <lopta> Time to kick off another Firefox build attempt.
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[21:25] <kzisme> If I haven't unplugged my pi, I can no longer ping it and the last thing I recieved was: pi@raspberrypi:~ $ packet_write_poll: Connection to 192.168.1.126 port 22: Host is down - any ideas on what is going on? I mean I can still see it on my DNS leases page too
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[21:26] <lopta> kzisme: I take it you're not near the physical console.
[21:26] <kzisme> It's in the house - I just don't have a HDMI --> mini to do non-headless so I've been sshing in
[21:27] <kzisme> I could just go power cycle it, but I'd like to see why/what happened as I've been having issues with apt-get as well (resolving mirror links and such)
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[21:28] <stiltr> kzisme: wired or wireless for network?
[21:28] <kzisme> I can ping it via raspberrypi.local - but not via the IP assigned in the lease. Wireless stiltr
[21:29] <stiltr> Can you ssh via the .local address?
[21:29] <lopta> can you ssh into it via raspberrypi.local address?
[21:29] <lopta> (what stiltr said ;-)
[21:29] <stiltr> = )
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[21:30] <lopta> My Pi is lagging a bit because of the load.
[21:30] <lopta> ...or because of the connection to Michigan.
[21:30] <kzisme> Well - nope that is actually a different pi on the network (I have a RPi 3 on ethernet on my desk)
[21:30] <lopta> load averages: 1.97, 1.70, 0.97; up 0+00:13:04 09:09:40
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[21:31] <stiltr> Nice! haha
[21:31] <stiltr> kzisme: My guess is, wifi dropped out on you.
[21:32] <kzisme> So if I power cycle it - how can I keep that from happening (or just what configs should I look at or thing to monitor)
[21:32] <kzisme> lopta: Why are you connecting all the way to Michigan?
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[21:32] <kzisme> stiltr: I assumed that too - but on the Pi end not the router end
[21:32] <myself> hey, michiganders grow raspberries too :)
[21:33] <stiltr> kzisme: Ya, I meant the Pi end as well. Though it could be either I suppose. I don't know of any magic fixes though.
[21:34] <kzisme> stiltr: I was just curious as I'm on wifi now (two floors up) and it hasn't dropped heh
[21:34] <kzisme> I also did set this pi up using PiBakery (since I wasn't sure how to set it up headless otherwise)
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[21:50] <stiltr> I've had a couple Pi's drop WiFi after a while. You can either bring wifi down and back up or just give the whole thing a reboot. At least in my experience.
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[21:57] <kzisme> stiltr: Ah what do you mean by after awhile? For me it has been ~30 minutes or so
[21:57] <stiltr> kzisme: I think it was in the 2-3month range, but I don't remember exactly.
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[21:59] <stiv> dunno if pi does it, but some wifi adaptors have a power-saving mode you can turn off
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[22:14] <lopta> kzisme: I'm in Illinois but my unix account lives in Michigan.
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[22:14] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: hi, have u fix ur zerow problem?
[22:14] <lopta> I've had that account since before I moved to the U.S.
[22:15] <lopta> ...and that's where I run an IRC client.
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[22:19] <kzisme> DuchiDachi: Nope :(
[22:19] <kzisme> lopta: Oh is that where you're from then or who hosts it for you
[22:20] <DuchiDachi> kzisme: anything about wifi driver broken? or something like that??
[22:20] <kzisme> Not that I found - someone last night told me to pi@raspberrypi:~ $ traceroute bigbadbob.name
[22:21] <kzisme> I got that but he went afk I think
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[22:24] <lopta> kzisme: I'm from the UK but I live in the US.
[22:25] <DuchiDachi> what is the name of the tool u used to configure the zerow?
[22:26] <kzisme> Pibakery
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> I have a bakery with a Pi in it ...
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> probably not what you're after though :)
[22:29] <DuchiDachi> What do u suggest? :S
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[22:29] <kzisme> nope lol
[22:29] <kzisme> ://
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[22:38] <solsTiCe> hi. anyone tried android tv for rpi3 ?
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[22:45] <Lartza> solsTiCe, Probably not a whole lot, why do you ask?
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[22:52] <lopta> What is Android TV?
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[23:49] <puff> Good evening. I have this RDM6300 RFID reader working, reading the values from this 125Mhz rfid card via the serial port. The value I'm seeing is coming across as 1200correctrfidvalue0A.
[23:50] <puff> So there's clearly extra data in there, wondering if there's a standard python library for parsing it, or some standards doc somewhere.
[23:51] <waveform> puff, I'd guess the 0A is a line-break at the end - how long is the rfid value?
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[23:53] <waveform> (just wondering if format might be <len><nul><data....><LF>, which might be the case if the rdif value is 18 chars (0x12) long)
[23:53] <waveform> *rfid
[23:53] <puff> 1200850D900A
[23:53] <waveform> hmm, ditch that theory then :)
[23:54] <puff> The "correct" value is 850D90
[23:55] <ebarch> the end byte could be a checksum
[23:55] <Lartza> Why are the first and last part irrelevant?
[23:55] <waveform> yup, looks like it: https://elty.pl/upload/download/RFID/RDM630-Spec.pdf
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[23:56] <waveform> typical XOR checksum according to the last page of that PDF
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[23:56] <puff> Ah, cool.
[23:56] <puff> Yeah, I was just reading https://github.com/philippmeisberger/pyrfid/blob/master/doc/RDM6300_doc.pdf
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[23:57] <ebarch> might want to use it in that case :P
[23:57] <waveform> it's ... not the best written datasheet I've seen (horrifically translated by the looks of things ;)
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[23:59] <waveform> "24 bit data correspond to 32 bit is read only 24bit which behind ID..."
[23:59] <puff> Yeah.
[23:59] <puff> Glad to know it's not me :-).
[23:59] <puff> Am I reading this right, this thing will do RS232?
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