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IRC Log for 2018-03-22

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[0:47] <davr0s> if i have a usb power supply to one raspberry pi, can i wire up delivery of power from that to another through the GPIO
[0:47] <davr0s> obviously that would cause the first to draw 2x
[0:49] <mfa298> maybe, depending on the PSU and what the two Pis are.
[0:49] <mfa298> or you could end up with two corrupted filesystems
[0:51] <davr0s> pi0w
[0:54] <ebarch> davr0s: there's no reason you couldn't do that, provided the power supply is beefy enough. you'd probably want to feed both of the Pis via their GPIO header, though. If you go through the microUSB, then both of the Pis would be in line with the single 2.5A fuse on the Pi with the microUSB connected
[0:54] <ebarch> take a look at https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi-3bplus_reduced_schematic.pdf to see what I mean
[0:55] <davr0s> ok what i dont yet have is a raw 5V portable power supply. what i have is a portable USB phone charger
[0:55] <ebarch> ah, that may not be enough for 2 Pis
[0:55] <davr0s> i've used this to use a pi as a portable camera (for bike rides)
[0:55] <ebarch> you'll want a good 4-5A to be safe
[0:55] <davr0s> the claim is it's 1A, and i've seen a claim the pi only needs a fraction of that for video recording
[0:56] <davr0s> i've seen a claim video recording takes of the order of 300mA
[0:56] <mfa298> if they're both pi0w's then there isnt any protection circuit.
[0:56] <davr0s> my full goal is a stereo camera, or more - these could all be in one box, with one PSU
[0:57] <ebarch> indeed. that may be the case. but the problem is if the CPU spikes. most of the time it may only draw 300mA. but if it jumps up for a second or two, the Pis could brown out or corrupt the FS
[0:57] <davr0s> ok noted.
[0:57] <ebarch> the simplest solution may be to use a couple USB battery packs (or one beefy one)
[0:57] <mfa298> if the power supply (battery pack I'm assuming) can maintain 5V when you pull 1A it might manage two pi0w's, although have a look around at what reviews suggest for power draw with camera
[0:58] <davr0s> i note there's also similar battery packs that have 2 USB outs
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[0:58] <davr0s> those are usually 1A + 2A in the second
[0:58] <ebarch> yup. if you can find a battery pack that can kick out ~2A of each port, you should be good
[0:58] <davr0s> '3A total!'
[0:58] <davr0s> that would do my 'stereo recording' goal
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[0:59] <mfa298> 1A should be plenty for a single pi0w and camera, it might be a bit tight for 2
[0:59] <davr0s> ultimately i want 'as many camears as i can get'
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[1:00] <davr0s> ok mfa298 it seemed 'so far so good' with the single pi0w+camera and actually seeing it working has 'opened the flood gates' for me to try more on this 'pi-cluster multi-camera' idea
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[1:00] <davr0s> although i really wish there was a board with 2 camera sockets, i note that pi-zero's are so minimal that 'one per camera' seems ok
[1:01] <ebarch> oh yeah, I missed the part about the pi zeros. that shouldn't need quite as much current :)
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[1:01] <davr0s> having a microsd per camera isn't a problem, because i was just SSHing to grab the files
[1:02] <davr0s> yeah i realise a quadcore drawing 3d graphics might need more..
[1:02] <davr0s> not might, rather, *would* need more
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[1:03] <ebarch> probably not useful for your use case. but with some modified cameras, you can capture them one at a time with one Pi by using a multiplexer: http://www.uctronics.com/multi-camera-adapter-bundle-kits-compatible-for-official-raspberry-pi-v2-1pc-multiple-adapter-and-4-modified-v2-camera-module.html
[1:03] <ebarch> no good for video, though
[1:03] <ebarch> i.e. you can only record one at a time
[1:04] <davr0s> yeah i've heard of that, it's certainly interesting but you're right, i want simultaneous video of the same instant
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[1:05] <mfa298> davr0s: the compute modules are supposed to support 2 cameras, although probably not a useul solution unless your making a product (so would make enough to allow for design and manufacture of a custom carrier board)
[1:05] <davr0s> i also wonder if it's possible to control exposure, to make an HDR camera (i.e. one has fixed low exposure, the other fixed high exposure, and combine the images)
[1:06] <davr0s> yeah i'm just doing it as a hobby
[1:06] <davr0s> no plans worth funding a manufacturing run for
[1:06] <ebarch> i've never tried it with video. but you can adjust all the parameters with something like https://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.13/
[1:06] <ebarch> exposure, iso, etc
[1:06] <mfa298> also with the zero I think there's a way for them to boot from the usb interface so you might not need sd cards on them all
[1:06] <davr0s> wow
[1:07] <davr0s> thats actually something i'm thinking -
[1:07] <davr0s> if I have the first one with wifi, SD card, could i get cheaper plain 'pi-zeros'(nonW) to just run the cameras, and have them all controlled by the master one
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[1:07] <davr0s> they'd need to stream the image to the first
[1:08] <davr0s> i could even switch to making the master a Pi3
[1:08] <mfa298> also if you want to get all the files in one place look at nfs, although your central device probably wants goot networking and fast storage
[1:08] <ebarch> i don't think the Zero supports USB boot without an SD card. but you only need a couple files on the SD for it to work. the Pi 3 does support USB booting without an SD card
[1:08] <ebarch> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/62965/boot-zero-w-from-usb-device
[1:09] <Zardoz> zero does not support usb boot just the pi3
[1:09] <davr0s> ok
[1:09] <ebarch> network boot is nice. it can be SLOW though
[1:09] <davr0s> zardoz speaks
[1:09] <mfa298> I think there's something about the zero being able to boot as a usb client, so the usb host pushes the initual bootloader to it
[1:09] <ebarch> Zardoz: I think you can still boot it off a USB disk as long as the bootloader is on the SD
[1:10] <Zardoz> correct
[1:10] <davr0s> funny film
[1:10] <mfa298> so not usb boot in the same sense as the pi3 does it
[1:10] <Zardoz> cooect
[1:10] <Zardoz> lol
[1:10] <davr0s> ok maybe i shouldn't try too many steps at once
[1:10] <mfa298> I think I saw reference to that boot method as part of the cluster hat
[1:10] * ebarch praises incrementalism
[1:12] <davr0s> the next step is 2x pi0w, both setup the same.. 2 usb out battery box
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[1:12] <davr0s> then i can try sync over GPIO for video start..
[1:12] <davr0s> or could they talk to eachother over adhoc wifi
[1:13] <mfa298> I think this is what I was thinking of https://github.com/raspberrypi/usbboot usb boot for the CM and Zero (although it looks like some work is left to the reader)
[1:13] <davr0s> next step might be a more advanced PSU option, with all powered in one box through GPIO with a seperate regulator etc?
[1:14] <davr0s> its funny in the internet age i'm always expecting something i want to do to already be done
[1:14] <davr0s> 'where's the web page where someone details how to make a pi0 based multicamera'
[1:14] <davr0s> but i realise i can do this then document it
[1:15] <ebarch> welcome to the frontier =)
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[1:16] <davr0s> after stereo, the goal would be 4 cameras,
[1:16] <mfa298> there were some projects a few years ago doing multicamera projects to take photos rather than video, although not many published code, probably as stuff was somewhat hacky at the time.
[1:16] <davr0s> which could be setup for (a) stereo HDR (e.g. left,right eye X low/high light) or
[1:17] <davr0s> rotated (transformer style box? or just 2 boxes, transfer the internals) for 360 video
[1:17] <davr0s> or even 4 forward facing for more data for depth estimation
[1:17] <davr0s> horizontal and vertical displacement
[1:18] <mfa298> I did something along those lines with ~80 pis and cameras, but that was for a potential commercial project so nothing ever got written up. It was also a lot of work - at that time I found the cameras were all slightly different so I had to have camera specific config for each one.
[1:18] <shauno> have you looked at something like the ivport? (eg http://www.ivmech.com/magaza/en/development-modules-c-4/ivport-dual-v2-raspberry-pi-camera-module-v2-multiplexer-p-109 )
[1:18] <davr0s> i think the multiplexer isn't simultaneous
[1:18] <ebarch> indeed, it isn't :/
[1:18] <shauno> yeah, I don't believe so either. I think it alternates frames between the two
[1:19] <davr0s> mfa298 yeah this is not commercial. I have 2more cameras+2more pis on order already, so I'll be at 5 pis, 4 cameras. I have an itch that might go to 8 cameras
[1:19] <davr0s> pending how 4 goes, lol
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[1:20] <davr0s> at 2 i was having to decide - do I get 4, or just get a fing gopro/or goproclone.
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[1:20] <davr0s> now i get this choice again at 4, do i get 8 or just give up and get gopros.
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[1:21] <davr0s> i note there are really cheap gopro cloes which i imagine would be similar to the pi camera
[1:22] <mfa298> davr0s: in my case it was just taking photos, but I triggered that over the network using a small program on each pi listening for commands and a central app that sent out commands. I used multicast as a way of sending the same command to all interested pis at the same time (although I've got years of experience with multicast so that was an easy option for me)
[1:22] <davr0s> ok nice. some sort of 3d scanner?
[1:23] <mfa298> something similar might be possible for video as well as taking pictures, particularly if your using the python camera interface
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[1:23] <davr0s> compared to the gopro option... the pi is a pretty addictive little toy, there's something very cool about having a complete computer so small
[1:27] <ebarch> mfa298: interesting approach. I actually had a similar need. but ended up writing a small python server that serves up JPG frames so I could fetch them via a browser/JS
[1:27] <ebarch> then I'd just fire HTTP requests to all the Pis
[1:28] <ebarch> i love the multicast idea, though. makes it much simpler to have all the Pis belong to a multicast group
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[1:31] <davr0s> r.e. smartphone control i guess it should be possible for the rpi to work as a hotspot for the smartphone to see?
[1:32] <davr0s> whats the right terminology here
[1:32] <davr0s> adhoc wifi
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[1:32] <ebarch> actually it wouldn't be adhoc at that point. the pi can act as a full on access point
[1:33] <ebarch> and yup that will work
[1:34] * ebarch just had flashbacks to before pis had wifi
[1:34] <ebarch> and the 3B+ is dual band ac!
[1:37] <davr0s> i'm kind of thinking 'how many excuses do i have for applications for a pi' , to get the count up to 8 so i can try some more elaborate 3d capture
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[1:37] <davr0s> stereo 360 , whatever
[1:38] <darkdrgn2k> hi
[1:38] <darkdrgn2k> is there a way to re-compile a single module from the raspberry pi firmware
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[1:39] <darkdrgn2k> (im guessing from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-4.9.y )
[1:39] <sir_galahad_ad> hypodyne: how much experience do you have to text to speech and speech to text?
[1:39] <davr0s> i'm interested in this aswell https://developer.movidius.com
[1:39] <shauno> I've been waiting for the AIY hat with the movidius chip on, but they've all gone quiet
[1:40] <davr0s> re. text to speech you remind me , thats another 'itch' - a portable device that can read hypertext to you and jump to links when it hears a keyword
[1:40] <davr0s> e.g. imagine keeping a chunk of wikipedia dump , and having it read it
[1:41] <davr0s> again going walking or cycling, i dont like losing the ability to navigate (eg taking podcasts, versus being at home surfing wikipedia/youtue)
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[1:45] <darkdrgn2k> have you seen Mycroft?
[1:45] <darkdrgn2k> pi based alexa/googlehome clone
[1:46] <davr0s> nice
[1:47] <darkdrgn2k> they are still relying on google/alexa eta al for voice to text but working on their own open source AI
[1:47] <darkdrgn2k> i think it supposed to be launched any dea now
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[1:49] <davr0s> is there an opensource training set for text to speech, is there a place to contribute to such a thing
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[1:50] <davr0s> regarding voice to text, unfortunately most humans can't even understand my voice; i mumble a bit
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[1:50] <darkdrgn2k> davr0s, you mean speach to text? there is a training session
[1:50] <darkdrgn2k> as for text to speach not really but you can (if your willing to pay) get a custom voice made (if thats what you mean)
[1:51] <davr0s> you train it on your voice?
[1:51] <darkdrgn2k> well thats how all these products work
[1:51] <darkdrgn2k> they have hours upon hours of test voice data that they used to teach the AI
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[1:52] <darkdrgn2k> google had a "information 411" 800 number setup yeras ago and has YEARS of people screeming into the phone "thast not what i said" :P
[1:52] <darkdrgn2k> and google voice with the transciption of voicemails and the feature where you can correct google when it makes a mistake :P
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[1:53] <darkdrgn2k> https://mycroft.ai/teach-mycroft/ it lists the tech and what it uses it for (mimic, adapt etc)
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[1:54] <davr0s> pi+movidius .. would that be up to controlling a self-driving delivery bot
[1:55] <davr0s> i guess a mono camera might be pushing it
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[1:55] <darkdrgn2k> (i think its talks about helping to build the common voice data set here https://mycroft.ai/blog/mycroft-speech-to-text-and-balance/#new-stt-deepspeech )
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[2:07] <davr0s> my perception of opensource AI stuff: the commercial superpowers have the edge on datasets,
[2:08] <davr0s> so we need more things like that.. opensource labelled data
[2:08] <davr0s> text<->voice, text<->image
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[2:10] <digitalw00t> Guys and gals.. I just did a fresh install of a Raspberry pi 3, using stretch. Can't ssh to it from outside, but I can from inside the host.
[2:10] <digitalw00t> I did enable ssh through raspi-config and rebooted
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[2:15] <digitalw00t> wow.. so it will let me login through ssh via wifi, but not hardwired?!?!?
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[2:33] <purplex88> had a lot of fun learning pi tricks
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[2:38] <purplex88> as soon as I install tightvncserver, the option in menu to enable/disable vnc greys out
[2:38] <purplex88> ^ in raspbian
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[2:47] <IwandeRerC> Hello. Anyone here has recently setup Rpi with kali linux? I downloaded the image from https://www.offensive-security.com/kali-linux-arm-images/. Checksum was good, but after flashing the image into the sd card, it just gets stuck at the rainbow screen.
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[2:50] <IwandeRerC> This is a new Raspberry Pi 3 B+. I got that same card, flashed it with Raspbian and it booted up alright.
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[2:53] <shauno> sounds about right. the image is older than the hardware, it's not going to have the right firmware etc
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[2:57] <shauno> (I'm not exactly sure what changes are required, but I don't think it's a coincidence the current raspbian release was made on the same day as the 3b+)
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[3:08] <purplex88> how is raspbian a debian os but not linux os?
[3:08] <iKarith> purplex88: how do you figure it's not Linux?
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[3:09] <purplex88> because its debian-based
[3:09] <iKarith> how do you figure Debian isn't Linux?
[3:10] <iKarith> They have some dabblings with FreeBSD and HURD kernels, but if somebody uses either of those, I don't know who.
[3:12] <iKarith> For all intents and purposes though, Debian is one of several Linux flavors
[3:12] <purplex88> i mean what is this.. why can't raspbian just be linux, why debian is in middle
[3:12] <purplex88> flavor on top of flavor
[3:13] <iKarith> purplex88: Linux isn't an operating system, it's a kernel
[3:13] <purplex88> sure
[3:13] <iKarith> purplex88: that's like saying why does my car have to be a Ford or a Toyota? Why can't it just be a V6?
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[3:14] <purplex88> but debian is os and raspian is os
[3:14] <iKarith> All these pieces of software with different people working on them are just pieces. Debian and a few other people put them together into operating systems
[3:14] <iKarith> The problem is that Debian's operating system doesn't work on Raspberry Pis very well.
[3:15] <iKarith> So Raspbian is some folks' attempt to take Debian and make a custom version for the Pi in particular.
[3:16] <iKarith> You could just used Debian on the Pi 2 and 3, but it's a fair bit of work to make that happen.
[3:16] <purplex88> normally we take kernel and build os on top
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[3:16] <iKarith> The people who built Raspbian didn't start from the ground up
[3:16] <iKarith> They just started with Debian and made necessary changes.
[3:17] <iKarith> One of them is to compile for armv6hf
[3:17] <purplex88> i guess that explains some of mumble jumble
[3:17] <iKarith> They made a mistake doing that—they kept calling it armhf
[3:17] <iKarith> armhf already existed and described armv7hf
[3:17] <purplex88> isn't like a car build on another car?
[3:18] <purplex88> it^
[3:18] <iKarith> purplex88: say you want a customized car… Do you build it from scratch or do you buy an existing car and modify it?
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[3:18] <iKarith> You COULD design it from wheels up
[3:19] <iKarith> But if you can buy something that's 90% of what you want, you can save a lot of time fixing the 10% you don't.
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[3:19] <purplex88> that explains..
[3:19] <iKarith> Some competitors took other Linux flavors… I think ODROID may use Ubuntu for example
[3:19] <iKarith> Their Ubuntu flavor is custom
[3:20] <iKarith> Ubuntu (and Mint) are both in turn based on Debian.
[3:20] <purplex88> since i guess its open source anyone can do anything
[3:20] <iKarith> Ubuntu's had a bit more time to split from Debian, but at one point it was just a slight variation.
[3:21] <iKarith> A good example of Ubuntu and Debian might be Dungeons and Dragons if you're familiar with that.
[3:21] <purplex88> i heard there's a light version of Windows 10 as well now
[3:21] <iKarith> At some point, they did something kind of like open sourcing the core rules
[3:21] <purplex88> i mostly used windows in past 10 years
[3:21] <iKarith> When D&D went on to its 4.0 rules, a lot of people still liked 3.5
[3:22] <iKarith> So someone took the 3.5 stuff and developed from that and created something called Pathfinder.
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[3:22] <purplex88> If I think of raspbian is light version of debian os then it is very clear to me
[3:22] <iKarith> Pathfinder was no longer D&D 3.5, but it was not 4.0 either. The two things forked. So with Ubuntu and Debian.
[3:23] <purplex88> i thought it was completely different name so must be something else altogether
[3:23] <iKarith> But Raspbian isn't really "lite" Debian.
[3:23] <iKarith> It's pretty much all of Debian :)
[3:23] <purplex88> c'mon
[3:23] <iKarith> (Granted not all of it is tested)
[3:23] <iKarith> It doesn't take much to build all of the packages Debian has built.
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[3:24] <iKarith> But just because it's built doesn't mean it's all installed.
[3:24] <iKarith> Debian usually defaults to Gnome
[3:24] <iKarith> Gnome would suck on a Pi—it's there and you can install it.
[3:24] <iKarith> But by default you get LXDE.
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[3:25] <iKarith> Actually for over a year now, you get a slight variant of LXDE called Pixel
[3:25] <purplex88> i took "lite" to be highly optimized
[3:26] <purplex88> but theres "raspbian lite" version itself too
[3:26] <iKarith> Pixel is an example of Raspbian diverging from Debian
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[3:26] <iKarith> Okay, so you start with Debian's packages. You add stuff needed to make the Pi work—video drivers, bootloader, custom configured kernel, etc.
[3:27] <iKarith> You then have the option of what to install on the SD card.
[3:27] <purplex88> Ah..
[3:27] <purplex88> So, its modded and tweaked
[3:27] <iKarith> Raspbian lite is sort of a small system
[3:27] <iKarith> If you want to use a Pi as an IOT device or a server, probably this is all you want, right?
[3:28] <iKarith> Or at least, it's the basics to let you decide what you want.
[3:28] <iKarith> The full Raspbian installation is much bigger. It includes like four IDEs for developing Oracle Java (because someone thinks you might want Oracle or Java or Oracle Java…)
[3:29] <iKarith> It comes with two or three ways to develop Python
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[3:29] <purplex88> it was about 4 gb image, even greater than windows OS
[3:30] <iKarith> It comes with Wolfram, some music programming thing called Sonic Pi, a kid programming thing called Scratch, two kitchen sinks, and the Queen Mary for good measure.
[3:30] <iKarith> You don't need all of that crap probably
[3:30] <purplex88> nice features.. so i never used linux os and I need a tour of os
[3:30] <iKarith> But some of it's there because of partnerships. Some of it's there to make it easy for schools. Some of it's there because somebody thought it was a good idea at the time. :D
[3:31] <purplex88> e.g. panels are confusing me
[3:31] <iKarith> So if you buy Windows from Microsoft, you get a disc or USB or whatever with the OS on it.
[3:32] <iKarith> If you buy a computer from Dell or HP or somebody, you get an OS, possibly Chrome, some games, a useless copy of McAffee because everybody includes a useless copy of McAffee, and a bunch of other crap. Some of it you might use. A lot of it not so much.
[3:32] <iKarith> That's the full Raspbian installation :)
[3:33] <iKarith> You can install more stuff that Raspbian built from Debian, but the Raspbian people haven't really tested it.
[3:34] <purplex88> if I learn linux OS, will i automatically know raspbian?
[3:34] <iKarith> The idea of the lite version is to be very barebones and let YOU decide what to install.
[3:34] <iKarith> Generally yes.
[3:34] <iKarith> At this point learning Linux means learning systemd, etc.
[3:35] <purplex88> systemd? lol
[3:35] <purplex88> I'll need to start from A b c d
[3:35] <iKarith> Remember I said that Linux OSes are a bunch of stuff combined?
[3:35] <purplex88> Yes
[3:35] <purplex88> Flvaors
[3:35] <iKarith> One of those things you need to have is something called an "init". It's the thing that gets run first.
[3:35] <purplex88> flavors.. as you said
[3:35] <iKarith> Every Linux flavor will have one.
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[3:36] <iKarith> Used to be that most people used the same one.
[3:36] <iKarith> It was called sysvinit. There were alternatives, but … not very common.
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[3:37] <purplex88> but core things raspbian or any flavor of linux should same?
[3:37] <iKarith> At some point the consensus was that sysvinit sucked, so people made a million replacements.
[3:37] <purplex88> E.g. settings
[3:37] <iKarith> The one that seems to have won out (for better or worse) is one called systemd
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[3:38] <purplex88> can I say raspbian is flavor of linux?
[3:38] <iKarith> Debian-type flavors set it up a bit differently than RedHat-type flavors.
[3:38] <iKarith> Yes
[3:38] <iKarith> But it's also a flavor of Debian
[3:39] <purplex88> flavor = distribution?
[3:39] <iKarith> pretty much
[3:39] <purplex88> = complete os
[3:40] <purplex88> for windows, we call it straightforward as "versions" and "editions" etc
[3:40] <iKarith> If you get a book that covers "Linux", it has to have lots of "If you're on a Debian/Ubuntu/Mint-type distribution, you do it like this. And on a RedHat/Fedora/SuSE-type distribution, you do it this way instead."
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[3:41] <purplex88> I have got a dvd that covers linux
[3:41] <iKarith> If you get one that covers Debian/Ubuntu-type distributions more specifically, pretty much all of it applies to Raspbian
[3:41] <iKarith> How recent? :)
[3:43] <purplex88> ah 2014
[3:43] <iKarith> May not be new enough. :(
[3:43] <iKarith> A lot's changed since 2014.
[3:44] <purplex88> but won't i automatically learn raspbian's core settings since its linux?
[3:44] <purplex88> like every android phone has same settings but different interface
[3:45] <purplex88> i mean the core things stay
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[3:47] <iKarith> purplex88: Is the core of Android 2.2 the same as the core of Android 8.0?
[3:48] <iKarith> If it covers bash, bash won't have changed much
[3:48] <iKarith> if it covers systemd, that's changed a fair bit
[3:48] <iKarith> If it doesn't cover systemd, it's too old, forget it :)
[3:49] <iKarith> apt-get is much teh same as it was
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[3:52] <iKarith> Kinda around 2015-2016, systemd sort of took over with a lot of holdouts
[3:53] <iKarith> Debian adopted it about then, and by 2017 everyone Debian-based was using it. But Debian still makes it "optional". You can go back to sysvinit on a Raspberry Pi even still I think.
[3:54] <iKarith> (Tools like raspi-config don't work with other things like upstart or runit or whatever else you probably don't use anyway.)
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[3:55] <purplex88> I want to just learn to use interface and know where settings and basics in raspbian :)
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[3:56] <iKarith> you can't go wrong with learning some bash first
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[3:56] <iKarith> that's like cmd.exe in Windows
[3:56] <purplex88> i heard of batch files .bat
[3:56] <iKarith> won't necessarily teach you how to configure much of anything, but will make you more comfortable doing that stuff once you do
[3:56] <iKarith> The Linux equivalent is .sh
[3:57] <iKarith> (though you don't need the .sh extension—you'll learn about that)
[3:57] <purplex88> i can't even change settings currently in raspbian at will
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[3:58] <iKarith> Most settings on a Linux system are written in text files
[3:58] <iKarith> Once your comfortable getting around your system you can see what's in them, and start learning how to change things
[3:59] <iKarith> For example, by default your Pi's name is "raspberrypi"
[3:59] <purplex88> I rarely used command lines in windows to change any settings
[3:59] <iKarith> If you edit /etc/hostname and change it there and then reboot, it'll be called something else.
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[4:01] <iKarith> The move for desktop environments is to use something more akin to a settings database like Windows and Mac
[4:01] <iKarith> But a lot of stuff is still just configured via text files.
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[4:01] <purplex88> is raspberry pi mostly about just command lines?
[4:02] <iKarith> to some extent. A lot of stuff can be done with a mouse, but a lot more can be done with a command line
[4:02] <purplex88> i had to use several command lines just to install and boot into system via SSH
[4:03] <iKarith> if you had not decided to use ssh, you'd have needed a lot less command lines
[4:03] <purplex88> getting packages via command lines etc
[4:03] <iKarith> if you're using the full installation, there should be a GUI package manager
[4:04] <iKarith> possibly Synaptic or some fork of it
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[4:04] <iKarith> I never use Synaptic though. I alwaus open a console window and run apt-get directly or use a program called aptitude
[4:04] <iKarith> (aptitude is not installed by default)
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[4:05] <purplex88> i wanted to know how many packages i have and for that there was a command line rather than "installed programs" like in windows
[4:06] <iKarith> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Aptitude-screenshot.png
[4:06] <iKarith> kinda similar to a GUI program, but more friendly for me (and I can run it over ssh)
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[4:06] <purplex88> typing is harder than navigating in gui
[4:06] <iKarith> The GUI equivalent of that is Synaptic
[4:07] <iKarith> Have you discovered tab complete yet?
[4:07] <purplex88> will consider in future
[4:09] <iKarith> The thing about Linux is that there's often more than one way to do something
[4:09] <iKarith> for example in Windows, if you want to set up partitions on a brand new drive, there's a GUI program to do that.
[4:09] <iKarith> There's also a command line program.
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[4:10] <iKarith> You'd probably use the GUI tool. I'd probably use the command line.
[4:10] <purplex88> never had to use command line ever in windows
[4:10] <purplex88> except for information on system
[4:10] <iKarith> In Linux, a lot of us are used to the command line, so it's our default way of doing stuff.
[4:10] <iKarith> Especially since if we know how to do it from the command line, we can do it over ssh! :D
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[4:11] <iKarith> Setting up something like terminal server is a pain in the backside. We can do it. We often do set that kind of thing up. But once you know how, it's SO fast to just ssh in and do stuff.
[4:12] <purplex88> why are we still using command lines to do things anyway i thought its modern age
[4:12] <iKarith> Well, I do it because I'm legally blind
[4:12] <iKarith> it's a lot easier for me
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[4:12] <shauno> I still do it because it's better :)
[4:13] <iKarith> I'm actually sitting at a Mac right now, I have a terminal open, a web browser, an iMessage client, and Finder
[4:13] <purplex88> to me command line is very much like hackers stuff
[4:14] <iKarith> I have god only knows how many tabs in the browser, 10 "tabs" in tmux (which is like tabs for your terminal) on my mac, and three "tabs" in tmux on my Linux box.
[4:14] <purplex88> they are always pushing buttons and typing rather than using mouse
[4:14] <iKarith> the tmux on my Linux box is running over ssh
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[4:14] <shauno> to me it's like .. yaknow how when game of thrones came out, everyone who read the book wouldn't shut up about everything you were missing in the TV series?
[4:15] <shauno> the command line is the book. and we also won't shut up about it.
[4:15] * iKarith never read the books
[4:15] <d0rm0us3> 'command line' IS hacker stuff... in as much as someone whom is familiar with the inner workings of linux
[4:15] <iKarith> I saw an episode of the TV show, decided it wasn't for me. :P
[4:15] <iKarith> I like my elves and dwarves a little less rapey kthx.
[4:17] <iKarith> but I said on Windows I'd still use the command line to set up a new hard drive
[4:17] <iKarith> it's faster.
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[4:18] <katnip> if your fingerpecking on the keyboard and hate that much, you need a class in typing learn some basic usage of the command line or you are losing out on the whole purpose of a computer. stick to an ipad then.
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[4:19] <iKarith> And because of the "fun" of trying to get a USB installation to boot from GPT, I have had a lot of experience doing it, I know exactly how it's done and am quite comfortable doing it that way.
[4:20] * iKarith won't give up his iPad :)
[4:20] <iKarith> Right tool for right job
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[4:20] <katnip> ^^
[4:21] <iKarith> Just on a desktop where I have a keyboard and a terminal, that's the right tool for most jobs. ;)
[4:21] <iKarith> Even on a Mac.
[4:22] <iKarith> But I started using a Mac not because I needed a "stupid person" computer that I didn't have to think to use. It does that if you need it to I guess, but it's not what I needed. I needed a Unix box I didn't have to f**k with to get my papers done for school. And I use one still because I do some video editing. THe legally blind guy edits videos. Because WHY NOT?!?!
[4:22] <katnip> heh, when my wife had hers go to the shitter, she used a linux computer just use facebook, email and surf, and was quite happy with it
[4:23] <iKarith> katnip: oh yeah
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[4:23] <iKarith> if you live in a browser or just need basic desk accessories and an office suite, Linux will do ya.
[4:23] <iKarith> If you're not SRS G4M3R you're also good.
[4:24] <katnip> thats all windows is good for
[4:24] <iKarith> Bah, buy an xbox
[4:24] <iKarith> or better a playstation
[4:24] <iKarith> or a switch! Gaming to go!
[4:25] * iKarith is of the opinion that most of the good games ended with the PS2, if not with the SNES
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[4:26] <iKarith> purplex88: hope you've got some idea of where to start at least
[4:26] <iKarith> purplex88: probably what you'll do for Linux is learn how things get configured on the command line, then learn there's a GUI way to do it too.
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[4:27] <iKarith> Like apt-get… The text "GUI" for that is aptitude. The GUI GUI for it is synaptic
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[4:32] <purplex88> yes sir i learned a lot .. probably too much to digest. I will get fat.
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[4:34] <purplex88> i wish i started knowing linux like 5 years ago
[4:34] <purplex88> but hopefully i will live another 5 years
[4:35] <katnip> that's like 20 yrs irl; 5 yrs is a lot in tech
[4:35] <shauno> there's a proverb "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now." Applies a lot here, I think
[4:36] <katnip> yup
[4:36] <katnip> best time to learn is now
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[4:37] <purplex88> just now or tomorrow as well?
[4:37] <katnip> both :)
[4:37] <shauno> it'll be now tomorrow, once we get there :)
[4:38] <purplex88> everyone forgets tomorrow, we go on our own way
[4:38] <purplex88> that is the best time is now
[4:38] <purplex88> why^
[4:39] <shauno> because tomorrow never comes. it's always a day away. that's how procrastination works.
[4:39] <purplex88> thats why i write stuff on sticky notes
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[4:40] <purplex88> if tomorrow next comes then it means i have no exam tomorrow!
[4:41] <purplex88> never comes*
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[4:44] <katnip> live for today
[4:45] <purplex88> its like saying "don't work for your future and live in joy".
[4:45] <katnip> little campy to say that here but im going thru chemo for the second time in my life, i have to live for today which becomes tomorrow :)
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[4:46] <purplex88> i live for next 6 months which becomes final exams
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[4:49] <Johnjay> well learning would be easier if A) people weren't horribly bad at communicating, B) cared about teaching, and C) weren't complete idiots
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[4:49] <Johnjay> unfortunately all 3 of those conditions obtain. so you may as well just watch some khan academy vids and learn calculus.
[4:50] <purplex88> "Khan video makes everyone smarter" sounds like advertisment
[4:51] <katnip> what is your major?
[4:54] <Johnjay> purplex88: i didn't say it would make you smarter. i said it would teach you calculus. there's a difference
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[5:15] <katnip> https://www.chris-shaw.com/blog/using-a-raspberry-pi-to-monitor-internet-speeds
[5:15] <purplex88> does learning calculus make everyone like Newton?
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[5:16] <shauno> it probably makes them hate him
[5:17] <purplex88> funny how learning relativity doesn't make everyone einstein
[5:18] <iKarith> When I learned calculus I found appreciation for it
[5:18] <katnip> Stephen Hawking was buried in between Newton and Darwin
[5:19] <iKarith> purplex88: the world is full of stuff that lots of people don't understand, couldn't build, but are quite willing to use it.
[5:20] <iKarith> I have a lot of love for 8 bit computers because you CAN understand them top to bottom
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[5:21] <purplex88> why we cannot understand stuff as newton and einstein understood?
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[5:22] <shauno> you pretty much can. just dedicate your life to theoretical physics.
[5:23] <shauno> it's not that we can't. it's that we have a passing or lay understanding of their specialty.
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[5:24] <purplex88> it seems to me they knew a whole lot different meaning of division and multiplication than we do
[5:24] <shauno> I mean, chances are einstein needed a mechanic to fix his car
[5:25] <purplex88> sure, an einstein doesn't mean know it all.
[5:25] <purplex88> but know it a lot about a single particle of dust
[5:27] <purplex88> we just ignore these things because its irrelevant
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[5:28] <shauno> well, we can't specialise in everything
[5:37] <purplex88> how come einstein and newton's names often surface and nobody uses names of computer field developers?
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[5:38] <purplex88> e.g. "become like einstein" but nobody says become like charles babbage or bill gates often
[5:38] <shauno> oh they do. I think computing has just been a lot more small steps by a lot of different people, in a relatively small amount of time
[5:39] <shauno> we remember names like newton & einstein because they were huge breakthroughs, not small incremental steps
[5:40] <purplex88> einstein is on tip of everyone's tongue, fingers and toes
[5:41] <shauno> the nature of the fields probably plays a lot into it too. computing benefits more from people *doing* things. someone does something, and the next big names come along and do something on top of it almost immediately
[5:42] <katnip> purplex88, you didnt answer my question :)
[5:42] <shauno> theoretical physics, especially the big famous theories, need to be born almost whole. so that works better if they're born in a single mind.
[5:42] <purplex88> seems like people forgot artistole and plato
[5:43] <purplex88> maybe in 2 more centuries einstein will be forgetten and something new comes along
[5:43] <shauno> perhaps. a lot of the mystique dies out when their ideas are accepted to the point where they're intuitive
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[5:44] <shauno> we're not fascinated by the guy who worked out the earth is round, because we just take it for granted. relativity is still mind-bending enough to make us pause
[5:46] <purplex88> katnip: computers!
[5:46] <katnip> and you complain about cli? hehe
[5:47] <katnip> all good i guess
[5:47] <purplex88> just because i've been windows user :)
[5:47] <katnip> what year of college?
[5:48] <purplex88> just 1 left
[5:48] <katnip> hmm
[5:48] <purplex88> this year i will be using rasp pi in project
[5:49] <katnip> where do you go to college? np if you prefer not to answer
[5:51] <purplex88> home school
[5:51] <katnip> ok
[5:52] <katnip> shauno, can you do me a favor?
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[10:40] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:42] <ShapeShifter499> if I run the Pi zero at full load but I do not plug anything into it, how much power might it need? I'm wondering if a standard USB 2.0 spec port will have enough power to run a Pi in ethernet gadget mode at full system load
[10:48] <tvm> ShapeShifter499: i think you should be fine, iirc USB 2.0 has up to 0.5A in spec, PI zero consumption will be somewhere in the 0.05-0.1A range
[10:50] <tvm> ShapeShifter499: http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Pi-Zero-1.3-Power-Usage-Chart.png
[10:50] <BurtyB> tvm, http://raspi.tv/2017/how-much-power-does-pi-zero-w-use - but startup current it likely to be out of spec but you normally get away with it
[10:51] <BurtyB> err ShapeShifter499 even
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[10:51] <tvm> i think it could work
[10:52] <tvm> i don't think it's going to draw significantly more during boot than it does when shooting 1080p video
[10:53] <BurtyB> tvm, the inrush current is quite high tho
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[10:54] <BurtyB> but yes you normally get away with it
[10:55] <tvm> yeah
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[11:02] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: tvm maybe it's the other device then. I was using a Pogoplug v3/pro flashed to boot debian. When I plugged in the Pi Zero with ethernet gadget enabled I was getting "unable to enumerate USB device"
[11:02] <ShapeShifter499> I was planning on using the pogoplug as a manager for 4 pi zeros
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[11:11] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, does it work if you power it on with the Pi Zero already plugged in?
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[11:12] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: I haven't tried
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[12:29] <diveyez> IS the pi3b+ a major improvement because I am not seeing anything that is worth it really.
[12:30] <Lartza> diveyez, Should it be a MAJOR improvement?
[12:30] <diveyez> It would be nice to get 4gigs of ram, 1 per core
[12:30] <Lartza> 3x faster network connection is the main point
[12:30] <diveyez> The rest of the hardware is great
[12:30] <diveyez> WAN or LAN?
[12:30] <Lartza> Eh?
[12:31] <Lartza> You can't get 4GB of RAM at that price
[12:31] <diveyez> The ethernet or a faster wifi card?
[12:31] <Lartza> Both
[12:31] <Lartza> WAN is wide area network not wireless
[12:31] <Lartza> fyi
[12:31] <diveyez> Well I guess im sold lol
[12:31] <diveyez> WLAN sorry
[12:31] <Lartza> The 3x ethernet is theoretical
[12:31] <Lartza> since it's still shared with USB 2.0
[12:31] <Lartza> But it's a gigabit ethernet now so it's definitely faster
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[12:32] <diveyez> Im gonna order a few tonight
[12:32] <diveyez> Ill be the judge of it
[12:32] <diveyez> We are using them for our solar powered scrypt coin miner setups
[12:32] <Lartza> All the main points of it were here https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-model-bplus-sale-now-35/
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[12:32] <diveyez> Raspberry pi has been the most stable
[12:33] <Lartza> With mining you aren't going to see much benefit from the core speed increase most likely but I guess more network I/O is fine
[12:34] <Lartza> Depends on how cool you can keep them
[12:34] <diveyez> We are not mining the pi, we are using it as a control device for the scrypt miners attached by usb
[12:34] <Lartza> Ah, that makes more sense :P
[12:34] <diveyez> =P =D Meow
[12:35] <Lartza> Don't really know cryptos so it could have been possible there was one that was profitable to mine on a pi, since there are so many
[12:35] <diveyez> Well, there is always the stack cluster
[12:36] <diveyez> So if thing can do the same speeds as the 0w
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[12:38] <diveyez> Sweet Sweet, still not desktop ready but good improvments
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[12:40] <diveyez> IU wonder if that one can run on a usb power cable instead of dedicated PS
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[12:49] <Lartza> diveyez, Zero? In most scenarios it can run from an USB 2.0 PC connection, if that's what you mean
[12:49] <diveyez> HDMI does not work when I do that, I am talking about a Pi3B
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[12:52] <_Jordan> Hi peeps. I'm looking at potentially replacing the USB port on the front of the Pi Model A+ with something like screw terminal blocks. I noticed that when i ripped off the USB port the holes for the pins are wierdly spaced. I just wondered if there is any way around this without through hole soldering stranded core wire to the damn thing
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[12:56] <diveyez> What is the best usb wifi keyboard?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> there is no 'best'
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> also there is no wifi keyboard
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> but there is wireless
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[12:57] <_Jordan> like BT>
[12:57] <_Jordan> ?
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[12:58] <leftyfb> diveyez: best is relative
[12:59] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, as far as I could see, the spacing for the USB pins isn't odd, it's simply not the same spacing as for "headers". You should be able to buy a Molex connector with the proper spacing
[12:59] <diveyez> Best Handheld Wifi Keyboard
[12:59] <leftyfb> diveyez: best is relative
[12:59] <leftyfb> diveyez: also, there are no wifi keyboards
[12:59] <JimBuntu> Wait... a USB WiFi Keyboard?
[13:00] <leftyfb> there's no such thing
[13:00] <diveyez> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07598YZNJ/ref=psdc_1194464_t5_B06XY7LJD3
[13:00] <leftyfb> that's not wifi
[13:00] <leftyfb> it's wireless
[13:00] <diveyez> I should just have said wireless, I am sorry I got a headache
[13:00] <_Jordan> i'll have a look into molex connector thanks! I've never heard of one before.
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[13:01] <leftyfb> diveyez: that's either Bluetooth or RF. Not Wifi
[13:01] <leftyfb> diveyez: Wifi = 802.11x. Wireless = no wires
[13:02] <diveyez> It uses a usb receiver
[13:02] <JimBuntu> I can't say what would be best in your situation diveyez. I can say that there are a few good full size wireless keyboards that are BT... I prefer a pretty small one that I will grab a model number from
[13:02] <diveyez> Yeah no shit leftyfb
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[13:02] <leftyfb> diveyez: then it's probably RF
[13:02] <leftyfb> diveyez: watch the language please
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[13:02] <diveyez> Thanks JimBuntu
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[13:03] <JimBuntu> I really like this one, RT-MWK02+ , but I also don't use it all the time... it's simply something small that I can easily carry for when I do need another KB/Touchpad in some way
[13:04] <_Jordan> JimBuntu, as far as I can see, molex connectors also have e
[13:04] <_Jordan> equal pin spacing***
[13:04] <leftyfb> that would be a pain to do any coding on
[13:04] <diveyez> Yeah
[13:04] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, are the pins not equally spaced on that A+ ?
[13:04] <_Jordan> Nope
[13:04] <leftyfb> I prefer a keyboard with a ~ in the top right corner, not sharing a key with 1
[13:04] <leftyfb> er, top left
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[13:04] <_Jordan> its like O OO O
[13:04] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, Oh! From the pictures I was looking at, it looked like they were
[13:04] <_Jordan> do you like my example.
[13:04] <diveyez> I couldnt use that, I have another one I cannot stand to use, if I could hold it in my hands and use it like those old slide out keyboard for a cell phone, it will help
[13:05] <leftyfb> diveyez: so now you see why you can't ask for the "best". Best is relative to your use case. Not everyone's
[13:05] <diveyez> I have a Rii lol
[13:05] <diveyez> Let the shot deer die bro
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[13:06] <leftyfb> I'm not your "bro"
[13:06] <_Jordan> one sec I got an image comin
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[13:07] <_Jordan> https://imgur.com/a/G36H7
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[13:08] <_Jordan> JimBuntu, what do you think?
[13:08] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, yeah, that explains it. To be frank, I would probably simply snap pins off a header row and solder them in, then use short wires or bend those pins to proper spacing for the target
[13:09] <_Jordan> Yeah sounds shoddy though doesnt it.
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[13:09] <_Jordan> I'll by all means consider it. But i'm after rigidity.
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[13:09] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, you are talking about increasing the USB lines... that's already shoddy. That's a differential pair
[13:10] <_Jordan> Well It wouldnt be as shoddy if there was a connector for this type of problem. Thats why i came here cos I wouldn't know where to start haha
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[13:11] <diveyez> Im going more for something that has a sidekick feel. I miss those phones with the slide out keyboards.
[13:11] <JimBuntu> _Jordan, I'm fairly certain there is a mass produced connector available
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[13:11] * diveyez sets mode +nm leftyfb
[13:11] <_Jordan> I'll keep looking then. But I'm glad your almost sure that one exists.
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[13:17] <Armand> I've got a referral link to some electronics/programming ebooks, covering raspberry pi + arduino, if gordonDrogon doesn't mind me posting it...
[13:19] <diveyez> https://www.amazon.com/Backlit-Version-Keyboard-Adjustable-Touchpad/dp/B071CP2XPD/ref=sr_1_15?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521720886&sr=1-15&keywords=Rii
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[13:19] <diveyez> Gotta be better to type on that my current one.
[13:19] <diveyez> Anyway, off to class, bez
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[13:52] * gordonDrogon is saying nothing.
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[13:55] <Armand> gordonDrogon ?
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> I won't give approval/permission/whatever for anything anyone posts here. You ought to be able to make up your own mind if something is appropriate to post or not.
[13:57] <Armand> Well, manners dictate that I should ask permission first. :)
[13:57] <Armand> Respect, innit.
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[13:57] <purplex88> innit indeed
[13:58] <Armand> gordonDrogon: The foremost concern is regarding the referral.. I don't want to potentially step on anyone's toes.
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> no-one else posts referral links - at least not that I've seen - asking myself; Would I? Well it's not the thing I normally do - I think the only referral thing I've ever done is give away some GiffGaff SIMs, but some folks I know spam various mailing lists, etc. with their referal links. So It's up to you. Your choice, etc.
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[14:02] <Armand> Shall I take it as a "Don't be a jack-***" policy?? :)
[14:02] <Armand> Meaning; don't spam it. :P
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[14:05] <Armand> Welp... https://www.humblebundle.com/books/diy-electronics-books?partner=lenscap
[14:05] <Armand> Definitely a decent bundle for the money.
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[14:30] <timofonic> Johnjay: Online? Learning is difficult. Learn to learn is even more difficult. Learn to teach is even more difficult. Teaching requiures not only a very deep knowledge of the topic(s) to teach but also other skills, two of lots more required ones to be effective at it are psychosocial skills such as empathy and motivation. I know a retired argentinian telecommunications engineer that migrated to my
[14:30] <timofonic> country (Spain) married with a telecommunications engineer wife too. They both did here an accidentally really bad invest in really state that made them (money) broken. Both developed their careers to be able to organize, teach and supervise less experienced professionals. Then they got into freelance personal teaching and tutoring in their 50+ years old. They not got rich in this fieldf but economically
[14:30] <timofonic> recovered and were able to pay the university studies of economist (MBA? I don't remember it eactly) stuff degree of their son and indusdrial design degree of their daughter. I call the story as "Breaking Good" :)
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[14:34] <purplex88> can i install raspbian on vbox for test?
[14:36] * BurtyB has the desktop x86 version on virtualbox if that's what you mean
[14:36] <j7k6_> no, virtualbox is x86 only, raspberry pi is arm, but you can emulate it with qemu
[14:37] <j7k6_> https://blog.agchapman.com/using-qemu-to-emulate-a-raspberry-pi/
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[14:38] <purplex88> does it mean x86 only but arm?
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[14:39] <leftyfb> purplex88: as BurtyB said, you can install the x86 version of raspbian within a vbox guest VM
[14:41] <purplex88> is it same as raspbian on pi but x86?
[14:42] <leftyfb> yes
[14:42] <purplex88> Raspberry Pi Desktop
[14:43] <purplex88> if i go with qemu and raspbian arm it feels to me that it will use more cpu power
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[14:44] <j7k6_> it will have some overhead because it's not native, but I guess you won't really notice it
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[14:46] <purplex88> does it make vbox a simulator if it cannot emulate?
[14:47] <j7k6_> _virtual_box is virtualization
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[14:49] <j7k6_> I'm not sure if you can call this a simulator
[14:50] <leftyfb> purplex88: what's the issue? Why can't you just run the x86 version of raspbian in vbox? Also, why do you need it?
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[15:20] <Giant81> lol this is what I get for running a VM to play with what a pi would be like..
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[15:23] <Giant81> got my pi zero w.... a single chromium window tab on this one page with a tiny bit of javascript and it runs are 30% cpu..lol
[15:24] <Giant81> so under powered but I think it will work just fine for what I want it for
[15:24] <Giant81> it's just painfully slow to do anything with
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[15:28] <Rickta59> * kids these days ... whining about a 1GHz linux board for $10 ... try remembering the days of $1500 133 MHz pcs with 128MB of memory
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[15:30] <stiv> so the pi zero is a bad choice for running computational fluid dynamics simulations?
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[15:38] <Giant81> had a $2500 pentium 200mhz classic with 32mb of ram and a 2.5 gb hdd runnign windows 95
[15:38] <Giant81> so I get it
[15:38] <Kwisher> i am logging some weather data on a pi and need some ideas for accessing/displaying this data in a web page
[15:38] <Giant81> I'm wondering if I can find a lighter weight browser that will still do some javascript
[15:38] <r3> well, it's only got 512MB of memory... less really because of the split ... hrm - well if you also think about what it is doing, a GUI with a browser with the whole javascript stack on it, throught a USB interface (not the fastest access to the SD card...)
[15:38] <Giant81> chromeium is a bit heavy I think for what I need
[15:39] <r3> s/throught/through/
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[15:40] <Giant81> yeah not complaining... just different than I was expecting. I've seen retropis built on them, I just was expecting it to be a bit snappier, but I think it also has a lot to do with a single core, that second core, even if not very fast makes a HUGE difference in UI feel when you don't have to wait for your program thread to finish before the UI becomes responsive again.
[15:40] <r3> for $10 and something smaller than your phone, I would be amazed it does any of that at all
[15:40] <Giant81> they are nice
[15:41] <Giant81> I'm thinking of getting some for my kids
[15:41] <stiv> Kwisher, i've used thingspeak for displaying temperature data over time
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[15:41] <Giant81> I thought about running tinycore
[15:41] <Giant81> run it all from memory, might help a bit
[15:41] <Rickta59> if you load up some bare metal stuff it feels pretty zippy
[15:42] <Rickta59> * compared to an arm cortex m3 @ 72MHz
[15:42] <Giant81> but it's honestly goign to just sit there with a browser full screened and refreshing from time to time
[15:42] <r3> well, ok, keep in mind, too, that there are applications that just aren't going to work well on a Pi. Folks trying to get them to be media servers or NAS - anything really with a large throughput is going to run into issues. Plus if you can get out of the GUI, that will certainly speed things up
[15:42] <Giant81> yeah I've seen some articles about not even loading a full GUI and just launching a browser window to display a webpage
[15:43] <Rickta59> i like the zero connect via ssh and no gui turned on
[15:43] <Giant81> that's all I really want, turn it on, laods to a Full Screen webpage, I log in, and leave it sit.... hell if I can get it to auto-login to the page, that would be even better
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[15:44] <Kwisher> stiv: looks interesting although i was leaning towards something hosted locally
[15:44] <Giant81> I'm' amazed it's outputting 1080p
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[15:46] <r3> they are amazing little devices, for a specific range of things. The next step up would be something like a PCEngines APU2: https://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm
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[15:47] <r3> but no video with those, so they're for less graphical things
[15:48] <r3> (I have two here and they are really really nice, awesome for a dedicated server or firewall or application router, I've put a few into client sites and they just run and run.)
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[15:48] <Giant81> been looking at an x86 hacker board
[15:49] <Giant81> I guess this specific web page does offer an auto login feature but it uses a .application file that's uses powershell etc...
[15:49] <Giant81> so nothing for linux yet
[15:49] <Giant81> the x86 board would let me load a bare bones windows environment
[15:50] <r3> Giant81: if you were to get some for your kids, I might suggest getting the full size version with the header already in place - as well as a "complete kit" from somewhere like CanaKit. They make great starter kits for kids and beginning tinkerers
[15:50] <Giant81> yeah this was a Canakit, and I have to say I'm rather impressed with them
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[15:50] <Giant81> yeah I figured get pi 3 B+'s with a kit for each of them for x-mas this year
[15:51] <Giant81> or whatever the new board is come november
[15:51] <r3> https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-3-ultimate-kit.html or https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-ultimate-kit.html ... I might stay away from the newest Pi until all the software has had a chance to catch up. The 2 are still a very good choice to start with
[15:52] <r3> I've had very good luck with support from CanaKit and they are my vendor for Pi. Glad you got started with them as well.
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[16:01] <Giant81> yeah a PoE raspi is awesome
[16:01] <Giant81> I can put them all over my house and power them by just running some ethernet cable to them
[16:02] <Kwisher> if you have a PoE switch or injector
[16:02] <Syliss> poe injectors are easy to get
[16:02] <Giant81> been thinking of buying a handful of pi zero w's and setting them up as remote temperature monitors in each room, build a little box, add a temp sensor, have them relay telemetry back to a VM on my server, then realtime graph each room
[16:02] <Giant81> yeah but clunky, I've got a PoE switch
[16:02] <Martin`> I've 2 poe injectors for sale? :D
[16:03] <Martin`> came with my ap's but I've a switch with poe
[16:03] <Giant81> and youc an get a very solid 8 port PoE switch from netgear
[16:04] <Kwisher> Giant81: you can do that with wire and a temp sensor from one pi, no need for a pi & sensor for each room
[16:04] <Giant81> http://a.co/1UpfGpp I've used it's predecessor and they're tanks,
[16:04] <Giant81> Kwisher: yeah but then I have to run wires all over the house
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[16:05] <Kwisher> you are still running wire to power them with Poe
[16:05] <Giant81> if I use a pi zero w and a wall wart, I can just plug them in wherever
[16:05] <Giant81> not for these, taht might be for a different project
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[16:08] <leftyfb> A nest temperature sensor is $40. I'm sure you could throw together one using a microcontroller for under $20
[16:09] <Giant81> but even if I got them, and got them setup, and started dumping data to a db (not sure how I'd do that, maybe just a SQL connection to a mysql db and push a new record every min or so?) I'd still need to figure out a way to make a pretty dashboard to organize that data and pull it out
[16:09] <leftyfb> rrdtool
[16:10] <Giant81> maybe like a picture of my floor plan built in visio, then put a colored box over top that gradients based on the temp, then updates every couple min, also displaying the temperature numerically in the middle of each room or something
[16:10] * Giant81 googles rrdtool
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[16:11] <gilesc> Giant81, grafana/telegraf/influxdb is more sexy, but would require a beefier web server
[16:12] <Giant81> well it would be a vm on my R710 at home, how beefy do you need?
[16:12] <Giant81> hehe
[16:12] <gilesc> Giant81, that's beefy enough
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[16:13] <Giant81> yeah I figured
[16:13] <Giant81> hehe I've also got a DL380 G7 not doing anything, and at work I have an off-warranty cisco C-240-M3 I use to run labs on
[16:14] <Giant81> spare server resources I have an abundance of, I just with they were all a bit more power friendly
[16:14] <Giant81> *wish
[16:14] <gilesc> Giant81, if you can get a pi or arduino to push data into influxdb, and then use grafana on the web server, then clients with a browser in full screen mode can show the data in nice dashboards. easy to set up
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[16:15] <timofonic> iKarith: Abouty GPT... Is RPi3 able to boot from GPT partitioned USB disk? I used the classic widely documented partitioning way, including the (EFI like?) FAT32 LBA partion (but made it 300mb instead)
[16:15] <Giant81> my buddy did just buy a passively cooled ESXi box though, nice little thing too, I think he spent like $1200 on it
[16:15] <Giant81> but the power consumtpion is so nice
[16:16] <timofonic> My idea is to use GPT to use the same USB pendrive to boot both on a PC and rpi. No worries if it can't be done, I'm just curious about the possibiliuty
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[16:17] <r3> Giant81: check out munin as well if you want to make graphs
[16:18] <r3> that's what I use here for everything from system monitoring to weather stations
[16:19] <timofonic> r3: About RaspBerry Pi 3 or 3B+ ... What about AARM64/ARM 64bits) full support equivalent to running a Linux distro for rpi3 under armv7h mode but 64bit? Why waiting so long for it? Some distros run but support of some stuff may be missing. ArchLinuxARM (ALARM) has a rpi3 64bit port but they advice to use the rpi2 version because of missing stuff...
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[16:28] <purplex88> leftyfb: i will be learning to use raspbian from vbox since i can't have pi connected and running all the time.
[16:28] <leftyfb> why not?
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[16:29] <purplex88> it needs an extra monitor on desk
[16:30] <purplex88> so i will use vbox on same laptop
[16:30] <purplex88> downloading Debian Stretch with Raspberry Pi Desktop.. especially i want to know"nano" command to edit files
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[16:31] <r3> I've a ton of Pi running all the time, true without GUI, but ssh works. As far as not having a monitor, there are GUI solutions for that, like VNC
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[16:32] <purplex88> once i learn enough command lines i will perhaps be using it headless as well
[16:32] <_Jordan> A problem i have with SSH is that you need the address. and the advanced IP scanner doesnt always work
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[16:32] <Giant81> use VNC to the PI
[16:33] <purplex88> if vnc supports drag drop or file sharing it will be good
[16:33] <_Jordan> Only for raspian stretch with desktop though
[16:33] <Giant81> even if it doesn't you can VNC into it, then scp or something to and from it
[16:33] <leftyfb> _Jordan: with a proper network, you should be able to ssh to pi@raspberrypi.local
[16:34] <Giant81> yeah but which pi is that if I have 3?
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[16:34] <_Jordan> i doubt i have a "PROPER NETWORK"
[16:34] <leftyfb> _Jordan: ssh does not require an ip address
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[16:34] <leftyfb> _Jordan: if you've got a modem from an isp or a router made in the last 10 years, you should be ok
[16:34] <purplex88> whats "pi@raspberrypi.local" i heard it a lot since yesterday
[16:34] <_Jordan> good, i'll give it a try
[16:34] <Giant81> isn't there a way to connect to the PI over a USB link somehow with a private network betweek the pi and computer through USB?
[16:34] <leftyfb> purplex88: pi is the user, raspberrypi.local is the hostname
[16:35] <purplex88> it gets converted to ip address automatically?
[16:35] <leftyfb> Giant81: only the pi zero in gadget ethernet mode
[16:35] <leftyfb> purplex88: yes
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[16:35] <purplex88> i'll try it
[16:35] <Giant81> leftyfb: ok that must be it, I was looking for pi zero stuff
[16:35] * Giant81 goes googling that, he's curious about how it works
[16:35] <purplex88> will i paste in putty?
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[16:37] <Giant81> makes me think a cluster of those, attached to a powered USB hub, would be a simple, clean solution to tinker wtih
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[16:37] <leftyfb> Giant81: you router should be running a DNS server for all local hostnames gathered via dhcp
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[16:38] <_Jordan> so do i connect by Serial on PuTTY then?
[16:38] <Giant81> oh it is, my network is setup right, I wouldn't worry about that. I think my router is the DNS server though I've been thinking of setting up a VM as a more robust DNS solution
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[16:39] <leftyfb> _Jordan: for what? Use putty to connect via ssh to the pi
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[16:40] <purplex88> 'putty' is weird name
[16:40] <Giant81> puTTY
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[16:40] <Giant81> not sure what the pu is
[16:41] <leftyfb> "The name "PuTTY" has no official meaning."
[16:42] <Giant81> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/G19TkUSO/
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[16:43] <Martin`> I did never see the TTY in putty :P
[16:43] <Martin`> Now I understand the name more :)
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[16:45] <purplex88> i thought it was PuTTy or puTTy now I saw too its PuTTY lol weird caps just as name
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[16:45] <Giant81> I always saw the TTY in putty, but never bothered with it's meaning, just figured it was terminal related
[16:46] <Giant81> windwos is just NOW finally getting a remote terminal program with powershell
[16:46] <pwillard> You know we USED to actually enter and display code on a TeleTYpe...
[16:46] <Giant81> but in all honsty, I think windows should just allow ssh login to a powershell session from any ssh client
[16:46] <Giant81> would finally make it usable
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[16:46] <_Jordan> leftyfb, do i need a internet connection for that?
[16:47] <leftyfb> no
[16:47] <leftyfb> you need a network connection
[16:47] <leftyfb> but not necessarily internet
[16:47] <_Jordan> dammit its a model A+
[16:47] <pwillard> Plug a wifi dongle on it
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[16:48] <_Jordan> I'm currently already using the USB pins
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[16:48] <_Jordan> If I had a OTG micro I could get it to work
[16:50] <leftyfb> nope
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[16:50] <leftyfb> only the pi zero and zero w have OTG
[16:50] <timofonic> purplex88: If you know Spanish, "putty" sounds like a a slang in diminutive form equivalent to say "female prostitute" and very commont (puta, similar to "bitch")
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[16:53] <purplex88> I doubt if they decided the name based on spanish slang lol
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[16:54] <timofonic> leftyfb: Really? I thought rpi3 might be able to have USB OTG on the USB power connector, to have one extra USB por. Or the contrary, connect rpi3 as a storage-like device on a desktop computer. Anyway, I'm new to this and too sick to learn this fastly "lung issues... asthma and... "bronquitis" (= bronchitis translated from Spanish to English?)
[16:54] <leftyfb> no
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[16:54] <leftyfb> only the pi zero and zero w have an OTG port and usb micro power-only port
[16:54] <leftyfb> all other pi's only have a usb micro power-only port
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[17:03] <Giant81> I'm sure I'm going to sound dumb, what does OTG stand for?
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[17:04] <Giant81> nevermind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go
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[17:08] <purplex88> more important is what on-the-go stands for
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[17:12] <r3> another reason to get a CanaKit as it included the OTG adapter as I for sure didn't have one sitting about
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[17:25] <timofonic> For my in the past, OTG only meaned = able to connect USB stuff in Android mobile phones like: computer mouse, USB mass storage device, a joystick, ethernet adapter or anything supported by the included Linux kernel of the Android device... even more support if using some Android fork such as LineageOS
[17:26] <timofonic> for my=for me
[17:26] <timofonic> purplex88, Giant81, leftyfb, r3
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[17:42] <purplex88> now it present what it means to you?
[17:42] <purplex88> in*
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[17:48] <Apocx> Are there any good 1U rack chassis units built to hold a few RPIs? best I've found so far is this but it doesn't work with 120VAC: http://my.bitscope.com/store/?p=view&i=product+BR04A
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[18:02] <zugzug_> Apocx: i've mostly seen homemade and 3D printed stacks tbh. and now that i look around, i'm shocked that there aren't any prefab 1Us made to hold raspberry pis
[18:02] <zugzug_> i found plenty of multi-pi enclosures and stackables, but nothing for a rack
[18:03] <Apocx> Me too. I could fashion one up with a blank 1U chassis and whatnot but I'd rather have something prebuilt that can handle the power distribution and such. The Bitscope Blade Rack is really the only thing I've found, only problem is they are in Australia so the shipping time will probably take a while.
[18:04] <Apocx> Looking for a US distributor for the BR04A currently
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[18:09] <Apocx> Only place I found near the US is www.buyapi.ca which ships to the US but is Canada based. Guess I will give them a shot. They are listed as an official reseller for BitScope. Anyone ever use them before?
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[18:13] <pwillard> For $24... I'd just use this and cobble up some 3D printed mounts. http://www.mpja.com/Rack-Mount-Case-ABS-Plastic-1U/productinfo/17086+BX/
[18:15] <pwillard> IE; https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:778571
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[18:15] <BurtyB> Apocx, maybe worth asking pishop.us as HiPi owns them and buyapi.ca
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[18:32] <timofonic> purplex88: A hack to allow USB host in micro-USB/USB Type C devices? :)
[18:32] <ShapeShifter499> I'm a bit confused by what to do next. I have my raspberry pi zero connected to a linux box in ethernet gadget mode but it doesn't have a IP
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[18:33] <purplex88> dhcp server assigns ip
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[18:34] <shauno> in gadget mode, you probably don't have a dhcp server. if you have avahi on the linux box, worth trying ssh pi@raspberrypi.local, it will most likely find it's ipv6 LL address
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[18:35] <ShapeShifter499> purplex88: shauno is it possible to forward the dhcp from my router through the connected box?
[18:36] <r3> more trouble than it would be worth. Why not connect it to your router and ssh into it? This might be a good starting point? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ip-address.md
[18:36] <r3> or any of the other articles from the docs: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/
[18:37] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, the Pi Zero will get a APIPA address (169.254.0.0/16) - I'd advise checking the interface on the non-pi side is "up" for a start
[18:38] <ShapeShifter499> I don't see anything in ifconfig
[18:38] <ShapeShifter499> but I do see the gadget in "lsusb"
[18:38] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, does it show up in "ifconfig -a" on the non-pi side?
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[18:40] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: I don't think so? https://gist.github.com/ShapeShifter499/ef87c9aa725cd1eeb6b8d382dfb79e2e
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[18:41] <ShapeShifter499> I don't know what sit0 is
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[18:41] <phinxy> can the B+ boot PXE over wifi?
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[18:42] <ponky> i doubt that the wifi drivers will fit into the rom
[18:43] <timofonic> Anyone here knows about SPI support in RPi3 and have used it? I have issues for using it with flashrom to read and write a SPI Flash IC, the one of my laptop. I accidentally broke the bios/firmware-uefi of my laptop. MSI GE62 2QD Apache Pro :(
[18:43] <timofonic> I'm trying to use RPi3 to flash the bios/firmware and make it back to life...
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[18:45] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, doesn't look like it - do you have cdc_ether/cdc_acm modules?
[18:46] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: on the non-pi box?
[18:46] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, yeah
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[18:46] <ShapeShifter499> maybe not, this is a thin install
[18:47] <timofonic> Does anyone uses or used rpi3 as a SPI reader/writer?
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[18:48] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: modprobe: FATAL: Module cdc_ether not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.54-oxnas-tld-1
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[18:49] <timofonic> Nobody uses raspberry pi 3 as SPI programmer? I'm just afraid if I did something wrong or if the SPI interface is enough well tested these days
[18:50] <pwillard> perhaps more details. SPI PRogrammer is not a standard "thing".
[18:50] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, that's probably the issue then as I doubt it would be builtin :/
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[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> now I know what to look for, I can try compiling a new kernel
[18:52] <r3> heh, anytime that is the solution, you really have two problems now ;)
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> timofonic, I use the Pi as an SPI programmer to ATmegas - once upon a time, however I bit-banged the SPI bits, but others used "proper" SPI mode.
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[18:57] <pwillard> Level conversion is involved?
[18:57] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: thanks for the help
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[19:06] <Apocx> Decided to just buy the BR04A off of buyapi.ca so it will hopefully get here quickly
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[19:20] <leftyfb> Apocx: I have that
[19:20] <Apocx> Is it decent?
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[19:20] <Apocx> Guess it doesn't matter now since I bought it already :P
[19:20] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzc6mv7l2jzyuni/2018-03-18%2014.16.43.jpg?dl=0
[19:21] <Apocx> Did you buy the full rack or just the PCB?
[19:21] <leftyfb> the picture doesn't have everything setup fully. But it's all working as we speak
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[19:21] <leftyfb> One of those pi's runs the bouncer I'm running from at the moment
[19:21] <leftyfb> Another one does backups. Another runs the controller software for my AP's
[19:22] <Apocx> Nice. Is the PSU your addition?
[19:22] <leftyfb> yep
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[19:22] <leftyfb> everything in there is custom
[19:22] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2vj3sqyghq2j44/2018-03-17%2022.14.00.jpg?dl=0
[19:22] <leftyfb> the whole point was to limit it all down to a single power and ethernet connection for the pi's in my cabinet
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[19:23] <Apocx> So you basically just used a blank 1U chassis then and used the PCB only + your own custom stuff
[19:24] <Apocx> That's basically the setup I want but I don't think the BR04A comes setup like that so it will still require some customization
[19:25] <leftyfb> the BR04A doesn't come with anything
[19:25] <leftyfb> just some plastic standoffs
[19:26] <leftyfb> the rest I threw together in the 1U shelf
[19:26] <Apocx> You sure you don't mean the BB04? The blue PCB part that houses the Pis?
[19:26] <leftyfb> it's a slideout shelf that I flipped upside down and had to cut a couple things to work
[19:26] <leftyfb> oh, right
[19:26] <leftyfb> yeah
[19:27] <leftyfb> the BR04A comes with a 5 port switch I think
[19:27] <leftyfb> wait, no
[19:28] <Apocx> Yeah it says it does
[19:28] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: What distro do you use? How do you program them? What GPIO pinouts do you use? Why bit-banging the SPI bits?
[19:28] <Apocx> It's a 1U rack chassis with built in network switch and the BB04 PCB
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[19:28] <Apocx> which is overpriced like crazy for what it is I think, but meh
[19:29] <timofonic> leftyfb: Are you making PoE with RPI?
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[19:44] <leftyfb> timofonic: no
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> timofonic, I use raspbian. er, google for gertboard/gertduino.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> timofonic, bitbang because it was easier to hack avrdude at the time.
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[20:08] <purplex88> does ssh connect to raspberry via serial port?
[20:08] <H4ndy> ssh is a linux service
[20:08] <H4ndy> you can enable real serial terminal access via GPIO if needed
[20:09] <purplex88> so in general it is parallel connection?
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[20:10] <Habbie> no
[20:10] <Habbie> ssh is networked
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[20:20] <r3> purplex88: this might help? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/README.md
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[20:26] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: Why isn't everything merged into flashrom project? The nome would be an issue, but well :P
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[20:27] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: I use ArchLinux ARM. I tried Raspbian and didn't like it too much. I got used to ArchLinux, but VC4 configuration and this SPI issue (I'm not sure if it's because I'm using a SOIC8 clip to the laptop manboard, SPI Flash IC broken or RPI3 SPI broken due to stupid mistakes by me)
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[20:32] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: Then I need to test SPI here and be sure about SPI support in ArchLinux ARM (ALARM) vs Raspbian. I need to get another SPI Flash chip. I didn't want to buy a new one and try to recycle one from a device... but my (de)soldering skills are quite poor these days. I may get an EN25Q64, the one supposed to be used in my laptop. There are services selling programmed laptop bios for 12 plus
[20:32] <timofonic> shipping, maybe they could sell me a programmed chip for my MSI GE62 2QD Apache Pro and even be sure what chip they use (if they erase the serigraphy partially like in the SPI Flash chip of the laptop, I'm fscked again)
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[20:32] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: So... What do you suggest me? I'm depressed without my laptop working and feeling an idiot with electronics at same time :P
[20:33] <timofonic> Im using the rpi without GUI too :P
[20:33] <IT_Sean> timofonic: language, if you please. fsck is only appropriate in the sense of running a file system check. Thanks! :)
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[20:33] <timofonic> IT_Sean: Sorry
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[20:33] <IT_Sean> S'all good.
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[20:35] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: I used commands like this one but changing the spi bus and speed too, plus even not adding the supposed chip that the laptop uses. I want to make a post at MSI forums and request MSI about the model number of the SPI Flash used, but these chinese may ignore my request and ask to pay an expensive RMA to fix it or such. flashrom -VVV -c EN25Q64 -p linux_spi:dev=/dev/spidev0.0,spispeed=8000 -o
[20:35] <timofonic> spireadflashtest-8000.log
[20:36] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: My brain is half-broken these days, I'm with strong antibiotics due to lung issues. But I'm bored and stubborn at this
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[20:37] <timofonic> gordonDrogon: What may I do? It seems you are far more experienced at electronics, SPI Flash. Have you fixed a "bios" from a SPI Flash chip?
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[20:40] <timofonic> I have to go. I need to do paperwork
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[20:48] <cellardoor> Hello, my PI3B+ is plougged into a gigabit switch and although working for data transfer etc. only the orange light is on, usually deemed the 'activity' light. The Green one, usually Link/State is off.... is this normal?
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[20:51] <r3> cellardoor: this may help? https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2013/02/raspberry-pi-status-leds-explained/
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[20:53] <cellardoor> AHA
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[20:53] <cellardoor> Nevermind I've figured it out
[20:53] <r3> not full duplex?
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[20:54] <cellardoor> If anyone else has this issue.......... Raspberry Pi has changed the way the LED's work. The Green light is now used to signify a 10/100 network, and flashes when there is any form of activity (so not just a solid Green for 'Link Active'. When I switch over to a gigabit network, the green light drops and the orange one flashes in it's place.
[20:54] <cellardoor> Probably meant to be similar to how some Enterprise grade switches use Green/Orange to signify interface speed in use, as well as 'there is activity'.
[20:54] <r3> yeah that article I linked might be a bit out of date
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[20:55] <cellardoor> No worries, and I appreciate it R3, the '10/100' bit at the bottom is what got me thinking so it was very helpful
[20:55] <Apocx> The RPI 3B+ pinout is the same as the RPI 3B I assume?
[20:55] <Apocx> for the GPIO
[20:56] <cellardoor> I believe so.
[20:56] <cellardoor> The only addition in terms of Pins that I'm aware of is the Power-over-Ethernet header just next door to GPIO
[20:57] <r3> Apocx: looking at this [ https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/Raspberry-Pi-3B-V1.2-Schematics.pdf ] and this [ https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi-3bplus_reduced_schematic.pdf ] they look the same to me.
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[21:07] <iKarith> timofonic: It appears not to be supported at this time.
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[21:08] <timofonic> I didn't back finally
[21:08] <timofonic> iKarith: What did you reply?
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[21:08] <iKarith> timofonic: booting from GPT disks
[21:09] <timofonic> iKarith: Oh, I see. I asked too much stuff, I'm confused and these days my mind works horribly wrong too
[21:09] <iKarith> Firmware doesn't understand GPT :)
[21:09] <iKarith> Yet.
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[21:10] <iKarith> When we're all using terabyte SD cards I assume that'll start changing.
[21:10] <wyvern> I'm trying to get bluetooth to work between a linux desktop and a Pi 3+ so I can start developing with rfcomm. I got a Plugable USB BT dongle and enabled `btusb` and `bt_rfcomm` in my kernel. I got the devices to pair and I've marked the other as trusted on each end, but when I try to connect, it fails after about 2s.
[21:11] <wyvern> In `bluetoothctl`, it shows: "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.InProgress"
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[21:14] <wyvern> up to date raspbian on the pi (bluez 5.43), bluez 5.48 on desktop.
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[21:19] <davr0s> q1 does the RPi GPU have a 'popcount' instruction,
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[21:20] <wyvern> hmm... seeing similar behavior when connecting to pi's bluetooth from a mac as well :(
[21:20] <davr0s> q2: does the RPi chipset have programmable hardware for video encoding with low precision instructions (e.g. many 8bit ops in parallel) which could be retargeted for convolutional nets
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[21:24] <phil42> i have heard of the video processor being used like that but i don't remember where i heard it or how it was done
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[21:27] <r3> davr0s: this document might be of some use? https://web.archive.org/web/20160803202903/https://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf
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[21:30] <davr0s> that does look like it has parallel 8bit operation support, skimming the doc
[21:31] <davr0s> it goes on about the 'qpu' having a 16 element rotate 'giving it a lot of the video ability of the vpu' (which is what i thought did thevideo encoding), and it does talk about 8bit stuff
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[21:32] <timofonic> iKarith: I hope rpi3 port goes full 64bit with full hardware support someday too. What do you thunk?
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[21:34] <wyvern> unlikely to be that useful given the limited ram
[21:34] <b3zi> Hello guys, got some struggle with serialports. I connected my NAVILOCK NL-552ETTL to my raspi via GPIO (port 4,5 and 10) I just want to read the incoming date. Somehow my port (ttyS0) exists but it doesnt give any input. The GPS works module delivers (tested)
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[21:38] <davr0s> ok yes it really does have parallel 8bit stuff. 32bit reg as 4x8 values. thats exactly what i had in mind
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[21:43] <r3> b3zi: be sure that you are putting no more than 3.3V into the GPIO pins - plain RS232 is much more than that.
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[21:44] <iKarith> timofonic: I don't want the Pi 3 in 64 bit. Not enough RAM for 64 bit.
[21:44] <b3zi> how to regulate?
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[21:45] <iKarith> b3zi: if you have RS232, you can get a level converter
[21:46] <b3zi> I use this on: http://www.navilock.de/produkt/60721/merkmale.html
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[21:46] <iKarith> b3zi: Amazon B00WPBXDJC is one I have used myself
[21:46] <r3> additionally, pin 4 is 5V DC power, pin 5 is SCL or I2C and Pin 10 is RXD - you want pin 8 as TXD and a ground (like pin 9 or 39)
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[21:48] <r3> b3zi: I've used something like this (a MAX3232 chip) to level convert: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11189
[21:48] <b3zi> I was using 4 as 5v, 6 as GND, and 10 for oh. I need txd to send stuff right?
[21:49] <b3zi> But no, the gps is plugged to pin 10 (RXD)
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[21:50] <r3> then I don't know what you were saying about "via GPIO (port 4,5 and 10)" ... but yeah, you don't want to put RS232 levels (12V!) into those GPIO pins.
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[21:50] <iKarith> (a GPS might also use 5v TTL signals which need a pair of 5v <-> 3v3 shifters or one each way…)
[21:50] <b3zi> r3, "RS232 levels (12V!)" i am not using additionals, just pi and navilock module
[21:51] <b3zi> iKarith, it does 5v and 3.3v ttl
[21:51] <r3> then look up what the navilock module is putting out, I'm not familiar with it. Even if it is putting out 5V I would still dial it down.
[21:51] <iKarith> b3zi: the pi only does the latter.
[21:52] <iKarith> Don't feed it 5v TTL or you'll let out magic smoke :(
[21:52] <iKarith> 3.3v is fine :)
[21:52] <b3zi> As I am nw using the 3.3v as power src for the gps nothing changed
[21:52] <iKarith> No additional regulator should be needed.
[21:53] <b3zi> Schnittstelleneigenschaften
[21:53] <b3zi> • 3,3 Volt TTL Pegel
[21:53] <b3zi> • TTL Low Level 0 bis 0.6V
[21:53] <b3zi> • TTL High Level 2.31 bis 3.3V
[21:53] <b3zi> • TTL Level Toleranz 3.3V +- 2%
[21:53] <b3zi> • Baudrate: 38.400 bps
[21:53] <b3zi> • Ausgangsprotokoll: NMEA 0183 GGA, GSA, GSV, RMC, VTG
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[21:53] <b3zi> This is my gps output
[21:53] <r3> please don't paste in here
[21:53] <iKarith> pastebins are good websites
[21:54] <b3zi> sorry thought it would just be a line
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[21:54] <iKarith> That should work fine with a Pi :)
[21:54] <timofonic> iKarith: Really? I thought ARM wouldn't suffer that issue
[21:55] <iKarith> timofonic: The problem with 64 bit CPUs is that they want 64 bit data. 64 bit data takes twice the size of 32 bit data.
[21:55] <r3> so I would simply put the TX from the module to the RX on the GPIO, power and ground and you should have data coming in, if the module is transmitting.
[21:55] <iKarith> timofonic: you only have 1GB.
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[21:55] <iKarith> timofonic: and your SD sucks as a swap device. Don't use it for that ;)
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[21:55] <timofonic> iKarith: I did think ARM was more flexible at it, being used in the embedded world :P
[21:56] <timofonic> iKarith: I use a USB pendrive, not SD at all :P
[21:56] <iKarith> timofonic: Those still have limited write cycles and USB2 is slow slow slow
[21:56] <timofonic> iKarith: Slower than SD in rpi3?
[21:57] <iKarith> I'm not sure actually
[21:57] <iKarith> It might be about the same, depending on the USB stick and the SD card
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[21:58] <davr0s> correct i think its pointless to use 64bit on the pi's memory size, but doesn't ARM arch give more registers in 64bit mode?
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[21:59] <davr0s> i guess the machine uses register renaming though so you still leverage whatever hardwre it has in 32bit mode
[21:59] <davr0s> arm 64bit is a more conventional 32-reg RISC ISA, wheras 32bit has 16regs and the unusual conditionals/integrated shift.
[21:59] <tekk> Hi everyone, sorry if this is getting asked a lot... my google foo is failing me... trying to migrate from a Pi 3B to a 3B+.... running raspbian stretch/sid and its up to date, but when I put my micro SD into the 3B+ it fails to boot
[22:00] <r3> b3zi: if you're sure that the navilock is putting out data (put it on another system to confirm?) then all I could think of is that the baud rate is mis-matched. You can google for tools to set the baud rate on ttyS0 - are you sure it is S0 and not S1?
[22:00] <davr0s> (? feel free to correct any misconceptions i may have)
[22:00] <iKarith> davr0s: there are also ways to make armv8-optimized armv7 code and the like
[22:00] <iKarith> tekk: you need the firmware off a 3B+ installation
[22:00] <b3zi> still figuring out
[22:00] <tekk> iKarith: i was hoping that wasn't the case =(
[22:01] <tekk> thanks
[22:01] <iKarith> tekk: you may be able to install the new firmware while using the 3B
[22:01] <r3> b3zi: what model Pi is it?
[22:01] <tekk> yeah i guess, until i reboot
[22:01] <b3zi> r3, https://hastebin.com/qubadetofo.pl check that
[22:01] <iKarith> tekk: which would give you a universal card that can go in either.
[22:01] <tekk> oh :o
[22:02] <tekk> gonna pull from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[22:02] <r3> b3zi: that looks like a baud rate mismatch. From your code: "ser = serial.Serial(port, baudrate = 9600, timeout = 0.5)" and from your specs: "• Baudrate: 38.400 bps"
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[22:02] <tekk> in fact
[22:02] <tekk> i wonder if rpi-update will cut it
[22:02] <r3> change "...baudrate = 9600 ..." to "...baudrate = 38400 ..." and see
[22:03] <b3zi> oh okay, so i change 9600 to 38400?
[22:03] <b3zi> okay thy
[22:03] <r3> b3zi: might work, depends upon what the system's baudrate is. Serial is still funny sometimes.
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[22:03] <b3zi> Yeee, r3 you are genius :D working now :))
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[22:04] <r3> heh, well I am just glad you didn't fry your Pi by putting RS232 level voltage in it :P
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[22:05] <r3> you're probably getting NMEA data in, so you can google for how to decode that, of course, depending upon your application.
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[22:06] <tekk> iKarith: rpi-update ran and it still boots successfully on my old Pi... will be trying new one shortly, i went from 4.4.38-v7+ to 4.14.29-v7+
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[22:07] <r3> b3zi: be aware that by frequent default that NMEA data may contain your exact location (latitude/longitude) so don't share it if you're wanting to keep your location private.
[22:07] <b3zi> yep
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[22:08] <b3zi> I get GPGLL, GPVTG, GPGGA
[22:08] <r3> b3zi: ok, as long as you're aware! :) I've connected many different types of GPS receivers to different Pis over the years, and they work great for things like baloon tracking - or even an NTP network time server!
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[22:09] <r3> b3zi: yes, those are "NMEA Sentences" that come from the GPS module. Google "decoding NMEA sentences" if you're wanting to work with that data. There might even be a Python library to help out.
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[22:11] <vavkamil> hi
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[22:12] <b3zi> okay thank you
[22:12] <r3> b3zi: additionally, you might be able to send commands to that navilock module (if you hooked up the RX pins to the TX of the Pi) - those commands may help lessen the amount of NMEA data coming at you, especially if you're only looking for one small part of it. No need to get many lines a second if you don't need them! :)
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[22:12] <b3zi> i will play around
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[22:13] <r3> cheers, glad you got it working
[22:14] <r3> iKarith: don't forget "Sol solar system, Milky Way Galaxy ... "
[22:14] <timofonic> iKarith: I found the rpi3 with ArchLinux ARM boots fast under USB. The problem is that I'm too dummy to make VC4 work. anholt on #dri-devel replied me this: (also, fwiw, vc4 was basically "just keep copying code from freedreno until it compiles, then just keep copying code from freedreno until it works) and "vc5 a wholesale copy of vc4 and then editing. " and "dave stevenson is working on the v4l2
[22:14] <timofonic> driver. eventually it will be merged to 4.14.y, and then things should just work"
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[22:14] <iKarith> r3: the important part is the Sometimes.
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[22:15] <iKarith> timofonic: bleh, at some point you just clone the git module RPF builds from.
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[22:17] <r3> b3zi: I've used this site in the past [ http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm ] and it looks like there are some projects in python you might be able to use or borrow from: [ https://github.com/inmcm/micropyGPS ] and this looks like a library: [ https://github.com/Knio/pynmea2 ]
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[22:19] <timofonic> iKarith: RPF? Raspberry Firmware?
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[22:20] <methuzla> foundation
[22:20] <Mutsumi> gpsd has a whole slew (pun) of tools to read and deal with nmea
[22:20] <timofonic> iKarith: I don't know why, but ArchLinux ARM raspberry firmware package get updated quite often
[22:20] <iKarith> timofonic: Raspberry Pi Foundation
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[22:21] <iKarith> Probably because Arch pulls in git commits as soon as they happen
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[22:21] <iKarith> Raspbain less often
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[22:22] <timofonic> Mutsumi: Are there small and reliable GPS receivers for rpi3? Would be feasible to make a long running GPS+3G+WiFi (wardriving friendly) device with a rpi3? Have a rechargeable battery able to run +18H and do long roads to map stuff and have an own geolocating database :P
[22:22] <timofonic> Mutsumi: I plan to get a bike and have geek excuses to do exercise :P
[22:23] <Mutsumi> adafruit has an easy one; it's okay...
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[22:23] <timofonic> iKarith: ALARM isn't ArchLinux, but a fork by crazy ppl. You are forbidden to ask about ALARM issues at #archlinux/arm. Anyway, it works quite good
[22:23] <timofonic> Mutsumi: price?
[22:24] <timofonic> Mutsumi: But adding the electronics for a so long running battery.... I guess gue battery would be big and expensive, right? :P
[22:24] <b3zi> r3, thank you very much
[22:25] <timofonic> iKarith: Err. You are forbidden to ask about ArchLinuARM/ALARM issues at #archlinux, you have to go to #archlinux-arm
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[22:25] <timofonic> iKarith: I got surprissed to get a negative reply because "ALARM isn't ArchLinux"
[22:26] <Mutsumi> lol; you're asking for a LOT; why not make one of those custom phone things?
[22:26] <iKarith> Probably because the Arch people don't wanna deal with anything that isn't wintel-based.
[22:27] <Mutsumi> and is wardriving still a thing?
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[22:28] <Mutsumi> timofonic, more cost effective might be a cheapo phone with an app...
[22:29] <r3> b3zi: you're welcome. Have fun! Cheers
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[22:34] <Giant81> lfs on a pi zero w
[22:34] <Giant81> seems like it would be pretty fast
[22:34] <Vamava> I have a troublesome Raspberry Pi Zero W. USB devices are disconnected and reconnected with exactly 1 minute intervals
[22:34] <Giant81> bare bones, just the essentials
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[22:35] <Giant81> Vamava: my first htought woudl be something to do maybe with power consumption? are they maybe drawing too much power?
[22:35] <Vamava> Anyone have any thoughts on what could be causing this? Is there a sleep/hibernation function for USB ports?
[22:35] <Giant81> have you tried using them through a powered USB hub, take the strain off the pi?
[22:35] <Vamava> Shouldn't be, but let me do a quick calculation
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[22:36] <Giant81> after that, maybe the cable is bad, the usb device is bad, the pi is bad... who knows
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[22:43] <Vamava> I actually have a hub (Zero4U) connected directly to the pi, and the pi is powered with a 2.5A supply (which is more than adequate).
[22:43] <Vamava> What I find curious is that it is exactly 1 minute between each disconnect.
[22:44] <Vamava> to the second
[22:46] <Vamava> But the USB hub could of course be malfunctioning
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[22:50] <Tenkawa> Vamava: I would look in /var/log for messages related to disconnects
[22:50] <Tenkawa> see if anything seems systematic
[22:51] <Tenkawa> that almost sounds like a sleep
[22:51] <Tenkawa> power down after certain idle time condition
[22:51] <Tenkawa> watchdog related possibly
[22:52] <Tenkawa> all theory of course
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[22:56] <r3> it does sound like a watchdog sleep, something in the USB hub going into a low power state after inactivity?
[22:58] <Vamava> Tenkawa, r3: yes, that's what I was thinking as well. A quick search suggested the pi zero didn't have a sleep mode for the USB, but I haven't verified this yet.
[22:59] <Tenkawa> Vamava: software watchdog
[22:59] <Vamava> I couldn't see anything from the logs that reveal the cause, but I'll have another look. Do any of you know how to set/read such watchdogs?
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[22:59] <Tenkawa> is there a /dev/watchdog?
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[23:02] <r3> is the hub powered from the Pi? Do you have a powered hub that you could try instead?
[23:02] <r3> and does it happen without the hub, maybe just a mouse or something on the Pi alone?
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[23:04] <Tenkawa> ouch crashed pretty hard
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[23:52] <Vamava> There was a /dev/watchdog, but watchdog was not running as a service. The hub was powered from the Pi, and connecting devices directly worked fine. Changing the connection between the hub and the pi seemed to work, so hopefully the error was now identified as a faulty connection
[23:52] <Vamava> thanks for helping, guys
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[23:55] <r3> sure thing, Vamava, glad to have helped
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