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IRC Log for 2018-03-23

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[0:06] <davr0s> just wondering if i should grab a 3d printer kit (e.g. for constructing custom case/mount for my 'multi-camera' goal) or if it would just end up as a pile of junk
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[0:15] <shauno> you'd never finish the multi-camera thing, that's for sure
[0:15] <shauno> you'd get sucked into the seedy world of fixing, upgrading and tweaking your printer
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[0:24] <davr0s> hah ok
[0:24] <davr0s> i guess the other thing on my mind is rotating atttention before i go and grab a whole RPI cluster
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[0:24] <davr0s> stop at 4 rpis and try something else.
[0:24] <GenteelBen> When's the RPi 4 due? 2020?
[0:25] <GenteelBen> davr0s: it's good to stop on a power of two. So 4, 8, 16, 32.
[0:25] <GenteelBen> I think you should cluster 128 Pis then take a step back.
[0:25] <davr0s> you mean i should stop at a power of 2, but that should be 128 :)
[0:26] <GenteelBen> Don't put words in my mouth.
[0:26] <shauno> what's the quadcamera actually trying to do?
[0:27] <GenteelBen> Did any of you see the Uber video?
[0:27] <davr0s> 360 or wide stereo or stereo HDR or trying to improve depth estimation with 4 cameras facing forwad
[0:27] <GenteelBen> 100% no human would've stopped in time to not kill that cyclist.
[0:27] <GenteelBen> I mean wtf
[0:27] <GenteelBen> What kind of dumb fuck walks across a ~40mph road at night without looking both ways?
[0:27] <davr0s> i didn't watch it yet, not keen on snufff
[0:27] <GenteelBen> Darwin Award winner right there.
[0:27] <shauno> I didn't watch the video. I decided I wasn't actually going to gain anything from watching someone die
[0:28] <GenteelBen> davr0s they released the video up to about 0.1 seconds before the car hit her.
[0:28] <davr0s> heh ok
[0:28] <davr0s> its still a 'snuff prequel'
[0:28] <squirrel> i watched the video and the car was going too fast without the high beams
[0:28] <GenteelBen> shauno they don't show the death, they freeze frame it just before it hits her. Like, she's right in front of the car.
[0:28] <GenteelBen> squirrel: good point actually.
[0:28] <GenteelBen> In the absence of oncoming cars you have your full beams on, usually.
[0:28] <davr0s> cycling is more important to me than self-driving cars
[0:28] <GenteelBen> At least, we're taught to do that in the UK.
[0:28] <shauno> (and the video is pretty useless because it doesn't tell us what the computer saw. it just tells us how bad cameras are at night)
[0:28] <davr0s> that is the only comment I will make here
[0:29] <GenteelBen> davr0s: what about self-cycling bicycles?
[0:29] <GenteelBen> shauno, you mean how bad Uber's cameras are?
[0:29] <davr0s> GenteelBen i had that idea years ago, and google stole it!
[0:29] <GenteelBen> I'm 99% sure Uber would install the best cameras in their cars.
[0:29] <GenteelBen> I mean, you can buy low light dashcams which capture more light than the human eye. I have one of those.
[0:30] <shauno> how's it do during the day?
[0:30] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: [citation needed]
[0:30] <GenteelBen> So I'd be amazed if Uber cheaped out on the camera. But yeah, the point of lidar is it picks up objects without needing a camera.
[0:30] <GenteelBen> shauno: fine.
[0:30] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo: it's fairly common.
[0:30] <CoJaBo> (they make IR cameras, but not ones that "capture more light")
[0:30] <GenteelBen> Ever taken a night photo with, say, a HTC 10?
[0:30] <GenteelBen> Hmm maybe I am wrong, let me fact check myself.
[0:30] <shauno> right, the car has more than one data source. so the video only benefits the "see, this shouldn't have happened in the first place", and doesn't answer anything about the tech at all
[0:31] <GenteelBen> I'm about to go out, it's almost midnight.
[0:31] <CoJaBo> They can ramp up the brightness so it looks that way, but the sensors are still terrible compared to eyes :/
[0:31] <GenteelBen> Whoever mentioned the full beams is right.
[0:31] <GenteelBen> That car should've had full beams on, because that's what a good driver does when there aren't street lights OR oncoming traffic.
[0:32] <shauno> or not be going so fast. if you can't see your own stopping distance, it's not useful stopping distance.
[0:32] <GenteelBen> I guess it's seen as an edge case, given they're testing self-driving cars in well-developed cities.
[0:32] <GenteelBen> shauno, nothing wrong with doing the speed limit at night.
[0:32] <CoJaBo> Where is the video tho?
[0:32] <GenteelBen> I'd expect a dumbass pedestrian to see an oncoming car, but I dunno, maybe it was on a hill?
[0:32] <GenteelBen> I'd need to see the road in Street View.
[0:32] <GenteelBen> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/video-uber-driver-looks-down-for-seconds-before-fatal-crash/
[0:33] <GenteelBen> Oh, the dumbass driver was looking down too.
[0:33] <GenteelBen> WHY DID UBER HIRE A CONVICTED FELON
[0:33] <GenteelBen> I DON'T UNDERSTAND
[0:33] <CoJaBo> Cheap.
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[0:34] <GenteelBen> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/video-uber-driver-looks-down-for-seconds-before-fatal-crash/
[0:34] <GenteelBen> Read the promoted comment from Statistical, looks like Uber's fucked up here.
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[0:35] <squirrel> iirc the car didn't apply breaks either
[0:35] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: Weird that it's not synchronized. Yeh, I would've hit that
[0:35] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo well we don't know how visible the woman would be to human eyes.
[0:36] <GenteelBen> That article says human eyes are better at picking stuff out in low light situations than the car's AI.
[0:36] <GenteelBen> Basically
[0:36] <GenteelBen> I'd have been doing the speed limit (40mph, like the Uber car) on that poorly lit road...but I 100% would've had my full beams on, because that's the point of full beams...you flip them on if you're driving on unlit roads at night.
[0:37] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: It definitely would've been visible, but it would not have stood out even if the guy was looking forward. Tho the video doesn't show if he was looking forward or not at the time of impact, since it's not synced; that's pretty odd.
[0:37] <GenteelBen> You're supposed to flip them off if you see an oncoming car.
[0:38] <CoJaBo> I would've had full beams on tho, so that might've lit it up enough to be visible. I came within milimeters of killing someone that exact way in a suburb tho, only low beams due to cars around
[0:38] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo, in that case I slow the fuck down...but not too much in case I get rear-ended.
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[0:38] <GenteelBen> Maybe 30 in a 40 zone.
[0:38] <IT_Sean> GenteelBen: Language, m8!
[0:39] <GenteelBen> IT_Sean, have you evolved into a bot?
[0:39] <IT_Sean> I just happened to catch that one.
[0:39] <GenteelBen> Damn.
[0:39] <GenteelBen> When do you go to sleep?
[0:39] <GenteelBen> Asking for a friend.
[0:39] <CoJaBo> Doesn't appear to be any reflectors on the bike; do any of the articles confirm that?
[0:39] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo, good point.
[0:39] <GenteelBen> We're forgetting that a cyclist damn well should be using reflectors on the bike *and themselves*.
[0:39] <CoJaBo> The one I almost hit had no reflectors, and was wearing black pants with a black hoodie
[0:40] <GenteelBen> If I was cycling I'd have those lame-ass reflective arm bands, maybe a reflective vest over the top.
[0:40] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo: apparently the best colour for thieves to wear is navy, because it blends into the night better.
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[0:40] <CoJaBo> Black shoes and black bike as well
[0:40] <GenteelBen> There's probably some guy thinking "I better wear the blue hoodie instead of the black one so people can see me" who got run over.
[0:40] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo: and black face?
[0:41] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: Couldn't see, hoodie was pulled all the way up
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[0:41] <GenteelBen> That hoodie was black as fudge. Happy, IT_Sean?
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[0:41] <CoJaBo> I swear they were wearing black gloves too. Just saw a glint of it as it just missed hitting the corner of my car.
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[0:42] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo: and she was wearing a black burqa.
[0:43] <shauno> I don't bother with all that hi-vis junk when I'm cycling. it just makes aiming for you too easy
[0:43] <CoJaBo> Looked pretty much exactly like that vid, only cyclist was even less visible, but thankfully crossed a fraction of a second earlier than that girl. Or I'd've been cleaning them off the front of my car :/
[0:43] <CoJaBo> Does it say what kind of car it was? I.e., electric/hybrid or something?
[0:43] <GenteelBen> I have a pregnant-style craving for late night biscuits.
[0:43] <GenteelBen> bbiab
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[0:45] <CoJaBo> The car clearly doesn't even brake tho. Something is effed.
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[0:46] <GenteelBen> Yeah I think the lidar is fudged.
[0:47] <GenteelBen> She'd already acrossed over one lane and there was no oncoming car to confuse lidar...it should've 100% detected her.
[0:47] <GenteelBen> Ok, biscuit time! Thank god for 24/7 supermarkets.
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[1:30] <puff> Good evening, trying to set up two systemd services for these two python scripts, anyone familiar with systemd?
[1:30] <ali1234> yes
[1:31] <puff> ali1234: I followed a tutorial but apparently it's wrong. Got a favorite overview or tutorial?
[1:31] <ali1234> not really
[1:31] <ali1234> what tutorial did you follow?
[1:31] <puff> https://www.dexterindustries.com/howto/run-a-program-on-your-raspberry-pi-at-startup/
[1:32] <puff> He's trying to use shell redirection for log output, but ExecStart doesn't use a shell to start your process.
[1:32] <shauno> I just look through the units that already exist. pick the one that looks the simplest, copy it, and bash it with a hammer until it obeys
[1:32] <puff> The ##linux people were kind enough to point that out, but not much help otherwise.
[1:32] <puff> shauno: Nice.
[1:32] <ali1234> type=idle?
[1:32] <ali1234> that unit isn't using redirection
[1:33] <puff> I'm reading through this now: https://www.loggly.com/ultimate-guide/linux-logging-with-systemd/
[1:33] <puff> ali1234: He adds redirection further down the tutorial.
[1:33] <ali1234> so what exactly are you trying to do?
[1:34] <ali1234> oh yeah that stuff about a log file? that's nonsense
[1:34] <puff> ali1234: I have two python scripts. One downloads some data and saves it as a csv, the other loads the csv and uses it to do something. I want both to start on bootup, to be restarted if they die for some reason. They both have to share a working directory so the second one can find the CSV created by the first one. I'd like to have output go to log files in the same directory, to make troubleshooting easier.
[1:34] <ali1234> systemd logs everything anyway, there's literally no point in even attempting something like that
[1:34] <puff> ali1234: So I've learned...
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[1:35] <ali1234> hmm
[1:35] <ali1234> well i would refactor that into a single script
[1:35] <ali1234> don't worry about the log file. just "journalctl <unit>"
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[1:36] <ali1234> what dependencies do the scripts have?
[1:36] <ali1234> the trick to getting along with systemd is to embrace it and all that it does
[1:37] <ali1234> anything you want to do, systemd probably already does it
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[1:37] <puff> ali1234: So I've figured out I needed to add WorkingDirectory=/home/pi
[1:38] <puff> ali1234: I'm disclined to combine the scripts because then I'd need to get into multithreading.
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[1:38] <puff> ali1234: In a nutshell this is code for an RFID reader for access control, so if something causes the data download to break, I'd like the RFID reader part to just keep working.
[1:39] <ali1234> how often do you download the csv?
[1:39] <puff> And particularly, it takes a bit of time for the data download, 20-30 seconds, so I don't want the reader to be unavailable for that time.
[1:39] <puff> It's updating the CSV every 5 minutes.
[1:40] <ali1234> you probably want a one shot service and a timer then
[1:40] <ali1234> rather than a long running process
[1:40] <puff> That sounds cool, yeah.
[1:40] <ali1234> do you have to process the csv or just fetch it?
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[1:40] <puff> Process it. The data comes in as json and I massage it into a CSV>
[1:40] <ali1234> then i would set it up like this
[1:41] <puff> Then I save it to a temp file, then use rename so it's an atomic operation.
[1:41] <puff> And the reader code checks the file modification date and reloads the CSV when it sees the date has changed.
[1:41] <ali1234> systemd can do that for you too
[1:41] <ali1234> how big is the csv?
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[1:43] <puff> Not that big, a couple hundred lines.
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[1:51] <ali1234> so i would do something like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4ndK4ZnCJ5/
[1:51] <ali1234> and enable all of them except the first one which gets run by the timer
[1:52] <puff> Cool, lemme look...
[1:52] <ali1234> csvdownload.py should do nothing but download the csv, save it, then exit
[1:52] <ali1234> access.py will get restarted any time the csv file changes
[1:52] <ali1234> there's probably bugs but that is the basic idea
[1:53] <ali1234> you probably dont want to wait 10 minutes after booting before downloading
[1:54] <ali1234> you do probably want to wait for a network connection, but that can be tricky. the systemd network target doesn't actually mean you have a connection
[1:54] <puff> So cvsdownload.timer runs cvsdownload.service 10 minutes after booting and every 5 minutes after that.
[1:54] <ali1234> right, in theory
[1:55] <puff> Hm...
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[1:55] <ali1234> csvdownload.service might need to be oneshot
[1:56] <puff> Meaning?
[1:56] <ali1234> that's how you tell systemd "this script runs once and then exits"
[1:56] <puff> I see how csvwatch.service restarts accesscontrol.service, but I don't see how it ties into csvwatch.path
[1:56] <puff> aha.
[1:57] <ali1234> csvwatch.path is the file to watch. when the path unit activates it starts the service with the same name as itself
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[1:58] <ali1234> you could also have the downloader restart the service directly
[1:58] <puff> aha, so it's the other way around, csvwatch.path starts csvwatch.service
[1:58] <ali1234> right
[1:59] <ali1234> i have a similar kind of thing here: https://github.com/ali1234/rpi-ramdisk/tree/master/packages/piratepython
[1:59] <GenteelBen> Ok, I have biscuits now.
[1:59] <ali1234> what that does is run main.py and then restart it if main.py changes
[1:59] <GenteelBen> Not the ones I wanted, but whatever.
[1:59] <shauno> hobnobs?
[2:00] <GenteelBen> I wanted the blue Fox's assorted box, but the only one in stock was the red McVities one.
[2:00] <shauno> I have a weakness for chocolate hobnobs. If I become diabetic, it's because there's super-sized packs floating around lately
[2:00] <puff> ali1234: This is going to require some rewriting of the code. In the meantime, how do I get at the STDOUT logs from the existing setup?
[2:00] <ali1234> puff: journalctl <unit>
[2:01] <ali1234> whatever you named it
[2:01] <zproc> on power supplies and microUSB, it's about the Tinker Board but not only, i found it interesting! https://forum.armbian.com/topic/4614-asus-tinker-board/
[2:01] <ali1234> or just "journalctl" will give you everything
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[2:02] <puff> ali1234: journalctl only shows a few lines, and it doesn't include the STDOUT prints that should be there.
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[2:03] <ali1234> query the unit then
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[2:06] <puff> Hm, dns resolution failure: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/Czx2JyqZ9UD9I62GlViY/
[2:06] <puff> WHoops, nevermind.
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[2:07] <ali1234> probably starting before the network is ready
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[2:07] <shauno> woot applehack!
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[2:07] <ali1234> i've never seen a unit fie indented like that before...
[2:08] <puff> Yeah, sigh.
[2:08] <shauno> that looks suspiciously like every second time I try to paste in vim
[2:10] <puff> It's the indentation that the dexter tutorial used, so I duplicated it.
[2:14] <katnip> what are you trying to do?
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[2:14] <puff> katnip: I have two scripts, one downloads data and saves it as a csv file, the other loads the csv file and uses it.
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[2:15] <puff> katnip: Trying to set both of them up as services. Got it kinda working, though ali1234 has some interesting suggestions for relying less on code and more on systemd to handle some of the stuff.
[2:16] <puff> katnip: At the moment the two problems I'm having are
[2:16] <puff> a) figuring out where the STDOUT log messages are going (or how to get them somewhere I can see them), they aren't showing up in "journalctl -u" output
[2:17] <puff> b) the script that downloads the data is getting a name resolution error.
[2:17] <puff> Though if I wait long enough and restart it, it seems to work.
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[2:18] <ali1234> does your script go daemon? close stdout?
[2:18] <mfa298> puff: I'm pretty sure theres an option you can put in the .service file to say what to do woth stdout, documentation should tell you
[2:18] <ali1234> stdout is logged by default
[2:19] <mfa298> from memory the docs for systemd are pretty decent, it's been a couple of years since i read them in detail
[2:20] <ali1234> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-journald.service.html
[2:22] <ali1234> #systemd is helpful too but sometimes takes a long time before anyone answers
[2:22] <puff> Thanks.
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[2:23] <puff> ali1234: In the timer example you pastebinned there's a "OnBootSec=10min", can I use that on an arbitrary service?
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[2:30] <Karyon> maybe try After=network.target in door_database.service and After=door_database.service Partof=door_database.service in door_rfid_reader.service
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[2:35] <puff> Karyon: Thanks
[2:36] <Karyon> no problem, maybe change it to After=syslog.target network.target in door_database.service
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[2:37] <puff> Take out the multi-user.target or leave it in?
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[2:42] <Karyon> you already have 'WantedBy=multi-user.target'so remove it. Make a symlink from both your services to /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/door_database.service and /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/door_rfid_reader.service
[2:44] <puff> so ln -s /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/door_rfid_reader.service /lib/systemd/system/door_rfid_reader.service
[2:45] <Karyon> no 'ln -s /lib/systemd/system/door_database.service /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/door_rfid_reader.service'
[2:46] <Karyon> no
[2:46] <Karyon> 'ln -s /lib/systemd/system/door_database.service /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/door_database.service'
[2:46] <Karyon> and the do the same for door_rfid_reader
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[2:54] <Karyon> just to be clear and not flood the room -> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/gMSPXm6uwbC4cSS0YknR/
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[3:36] <larsks> Karyon: why are you creating those symlinks by hand? Just running "systemctl enable <service>" will create those links in multi-user.target.wants for you automatically, unless the unit file is improperly written.
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[4:32] <Zardoz> my new x86 raspberry pi desktop https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tlOK6gDx9bBFV1cLBrftJ19NjU0MZ8X2
[4:34] <Mutsumi> huh; intel?
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[4:43] <Zardoz> yup
[4:44] <Zardoz> it's on a Dell Inspiron 3050 Micro Mini Desktop Computer.
[4:45] <Zardoz> I really like this little box
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[4:46] <Zardoz> and Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop just works with it. no issues.
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[5:24] <purplex88> can i do ssh without router?
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[5:25] <purplex88> say, i only have pi device, ethernet, a computer
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[5:27] <bikram> purplex88, yes you can.Just connect them and provide static ip in same subnet
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[5:31] <purplex88> provide static ip to where?
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[6:02] <JimBuntu> purplex88, on both computers. If you want to network, without a router, you will need to either set up one of the devices as a DHCP sever/host... or manually configure IP info on both machines.
[6:03] <purplex88> but its not possible to manually configure pi device since i'm running it first time
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[6:05] <purplex88> ok after i connect ethernet to pc and other end pi device.. what's next?
[6:05] <JimBuntu> purplex88, you can configure it over a local connection... i.e., with HDMI and KB/Mouse
[6:05] <purplex88> can i set ip of pi device from laptop to which it is connected to?
[6:06] <JimBuntu> depends on how it is "connected to" it
[6:06] <purplex88> via ethernet
[6:06] <JimBuntu> Are you able to SSH into the Pi?
[6:07] <JimBuntu> the other option, is that you ca take the sdcard from the Pi... and rewrite the /etc/networking/blah file (depending on OS) and then put it back in the Pi and let it boot
[6:11] <Codsworth> I suggest to overclock the rpi3 to 2ghz
[6:12] <JimBuntu> correction: to 9GHz
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[6:15] <Codsworth> JimBuntu, correction recived! analyzing correction...wait....wait....wait...SUCCESS!! CORRECTION APPROVED! Boosting RPI 3 to 9GHz
[6:16] <JimBuntu> Codsworth, This thing flies!
[6:17] <Codsworth> It also cooks breakfast , lunch and dinner!
[6:22] <purplex88> JimBuntu: I am not able to since I don't know ip of pi device
[6:23] <JimBuntu> purplex88, Ok, in that case... and if you aren't connecting USB KB/Mouse and HDMI (or uch) monitor... then I suggest you edit the related network files on the sdcard, then you can know the IP that should be assigned.
[6:25] <purplex88> in windows i see IP in LAN adapter
[6:25] <purplex88> its autoconfigured ipv4
[6:25] <JimBuntu> "in windows" <full stop>
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[6:27] <JimBuntu> I am sorry purplex88, it has been a bit too long [since I used Windows regularly] for me to be able to walk you through much. I can say that you need to switch from auto/DHCP to manual, and set the IP/netmask/DNS, but I am not sure how to step by step that for you.
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[6:29] <JimBuntu> purplex88, There will be more people on here in the next few hours, they may have the required experience/know-how. Can you post what OS you have installed on the Pi (again?)
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[6:31] <purplex88> i'm taking a screenshot
[6:31] <purplex88> windows 8.1
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[6:32] <purplex88> raspbian jessie on pi
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[6:37] <lost_and_unfound> Greetings all. I have a USB GSM module, I have a service installed (gammu) for sending a receiving SMS's. In the config I have my modem defined as /dev/ttyUSB0. However, sometimes with a reboot, the OS detects the device on /dev/ttyUSB1, making the config invalid. What can I do to ensure the GSM will always detect as /dev/ttyUSBx ? Thanks
[6:38] <purplex88> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u9izah0gh1k2zjh/Ethernet%20IP%20Address.png
[6:39] <purplex88> what is this IP address shown in picture
[6:39] <purplex88> is it pi's IP address which is connected via Ethernet?
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[6:45] <purplex88> ah nevermind
[6:45] <purplex88> its IP address of ethernet adapter
[6:45] <purplex88> wifi adapter has own IP
[6:45] <purplex88> so now I have two IPs of same computer
[6:46] <immibis> that seems right
[6:46] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: From what I infer, you are running MS on a RPi, the IP it is displaying over there is an IP MS would assign if it is unable to obtain a DHCP address. You will see in the screen shot you provided, the second/middle image "Ethernet status" does show at the bottom you received 0 packets.
[6:47] <purplex88> MS on a pi?
[6:47] <lost_and_unfound> Microsoft/Windows
[6:47] <purplex88> no no
[6:47] <purplex88> my laptop has windows 8.1
[6:47] <purplex88> pi is running raspbian
[6:48] <purplex88> i connected the two via ethernet
[6:48] <purplex88> if pi is running a DHCP like MS then i bet it assigned an ip as well to ethernet
[6:49] <immibis> purplex88: that's an autoconfiguration address, that's the kind of address you get when there is no DHCP
[6:49] <immibis> do you have a screen and keyboard on the pi?
[6:50] <purplex88> it is saying "DHCP Enabled: Yes" why?
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[6:50] <purplex88> no its running headless
[6:51] <lost_and_unfound> DHCP Enabled, means it will listen/try to get a DHCP (automatic) IP address if there is a server (e.g. router/switch) on the network that gives out IP addresses
[6:52] <purplex88> i see
[6:52] <purplex88> so i guess i need a DHCP to give ip to pi device
[6:53] <purplex88> i can use autoconfiguration ip address for windows it seems
[6:55] <purplex88> will that be http://www.dhcpserver.de/cms/download/ ok?
[6:55] <lost_and_unfound> "<purplex88> i connected the two via ethernet" - are you attempting to connect your laptop and pi via Ethernet cable or WiFi ?
[6:56] <purplex88> Ethernet, of course
[6:56] <purplex88> i can't make it use wifi yet
[6:56] <purplex88> or can i..
[6:57] <purplex88> because i don't have a router
[6:57] <lost_and_unfound> ok, direct cable from the laptop to the pi? or via a switch / router?
[6:57] <lost_and_unfound> direct cable i take it?
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[7:02] <purplex88> yes, direct 1 meter long cable :)
[7:03] <lost_and_unfound> for a direct cable connection you should preferable use a "cross over" cable. Can you confirm it is a cross over cat5 ?
[7:03] <immibis> the way i set up my headless pi was by directly connecting it to my computer, then running a dhcp server on my computer with 1 IP address, then connecting to that IP address
[7:03] <immibis> lost_and_unfound: I'm not sure that's still needed in modern times
[7:04] <immibis> (i know it's not needed with gigabit, but IIRC the pi doesn't support gigabit, but it might not be needed anyway)
[7:04] <lost_and_unfound> immibis: damn... giving away my age here
[7:04] <lost_and_unfound> =]
[7:05] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: immibis is correct that all you need then (now) is a simple dhcp server.
[7:06] <purplex88> he gave away your age (how old are you?) ?
[7:06] <purplex88> cat 5 it says
[7:06] <purplex88> i don't know whats a cross over
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[7:09] <lost_and_unfound> talking about cross over cables... that gave away the age =] most network cards do/should support autodetection of the cable. A cross over cable is a CAT5 cable where the one end is wired differently to the other (the one is done to the tia568b color codes and the other to the tia568a)
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[7:13] <purplex88> alright ... finished the pie .. now running a simple dhcp server i downloaded
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[7:13] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: however, that is of a tangent, get a simple MS DHCP server/service installed on your laptop, configure it, reboot the pi and see if it connects.
[7:14] <lost_and_unfound> "however, that is of a tangent, - was referning the the cabled discussion)
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[7:15] <purplex88> it is asking me to select a network card on which I want to run dhcp
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[7:16] <purplex88> ethernet card i guess
[7:16] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: that will be the network card where the cable is connected
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[7:18] <Zardoz> htop
[7:18] <Zardoz> hah
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[7:32] <purplex88> interesting lol
[7:32] <purplex88> dhcp server running on my computer assigned an ip address to computer itself
[7:32] <purplex88> but it hasn't assigned one to pi
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[7:36] <purplex88> trying a different dhcp server software
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[7:36] <purplex88> this one is pretty simple and dull
[7:37] <shbrngdo> do you have a spare wifi router? you can plug into the ethernet strip on that, get DHCP or whatever else you need
[7:37] <shbrngdo> running things like that on windows. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
[7:38] <shbrngdo> but you work with what you have, I guess
[7:38] <shbrngdo> I personally think that the spare wifi router would get you going quicker
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[7:39] <purplex88> nope i don't use a router for internet
[7:40] <shbrngdo> well I would assume you have one laying about (maybe an old one) that you could re-purpose just for this
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[7:40] <shbrngdo> but yeah at some point my tech support stops when I'd have to instruct someone how to set up DHCP on a windows box
[7:41] <shbrngdo> instead, maybe it would be easier to use the RPi with a static IP address. this means using a monitor+keyboard+mouse with it so you can set it up that way
[7:41] <shbrngdo> but that would get you going, at least
[7:43] <shbrngdo> if you're using linux, 'man interfaces' should give you the info you need to select static or dynamic (DHCP) IP address
[7:43] <shbrngdo> on the RPi specifically
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[7:46] * shbrngdo scrollback - waitaminute, are you trying to run windows on an RPi? ew... sorry I don't think anything I tell ya will help much
[7:47] <purplex88> I am running raspbian on pi
[7:48] <purplex88> i downloaded "tftpd64"
[7:48] <shbrngdo> oh ok. that should work ok then. So you just want to network between the RPi and your laptop? or are you trying to use your laptop as an internet gateway? Because from what I can see you ethernet directly into the RPi from the laptop.
[7:48] <shbrngdo> ok tftpd64 - is that a windows application for your laptop?
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[7:48] <purplex88> yes it is
[7:48] <purplex88> for dhcp
[7:48] <purplex88> tftpd64 wants a router ip gateway
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[7:49] <purplex88> in dhcp settings..
[7:49] <LuminaxWk> I can haz Solidworks!
[7:49] <shbrngdo> oh I get it. yes, it would. normally a DHCP server tells the client machines how to access the itnernet
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[7:49] <purplex88> jesus i don't have a router..
[7:49] <shbrngdo> you kinda need one
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[7:49] <purplex88> what default gatway it is asking?
[7:49] <shbrngdo> maybe you can find a used one on e-bay... an old WRT54 or something
[7:50] <shbrngdo> 'default gateway' is a routing thing - it's the IP address that packets going to the internet would be sent to. If you don't actually have one, give it the static IP of your laptop
[7:50] <purplex88> ok i'll give it my laptop's
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[7:51] <shbrngdo> packets on a subnet (matching the IP address and subnet mask) are sent directly through the ethernet. but pakets for the internet have to go through a gateway to get outside of the LAN
[7:51] <shbrngdo> so if you'r 192.168.1.2 and your laptop is 192.168.1.1 and the subnet is 255.255.255.0 then any address 192.168.1.* would be on the same subnet
[7:51] <shbrngdo> so 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.1 already know how to talk to one another
[7:52] <shbrngdo> but if you want to get to the intarwebs, you'll need a gateway
[7:52] <shbrngdo> the gateway will ALSO be on the same subnet as your LAN
[7:52] <shbrngdo> normally a wifi router would be pre-configured to set all of this up correctly
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[7:53] <shbrngdo> and when you get an IP address from the DHCP server, it lets the client know about the gateway and DNS info, etc.
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[7:56] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: in the screenshots you sent. Make sure you do have received packets ( http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1521788081.png ) send and receive means the 2 interfaces (laptop and pi) are able to exchange some data.
[7:57] <purplex88> why its not giving pi device an ip address?
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[7:58] <purplex88> its given my laptop an ip address
[7:58] <purplex88> on ethernet
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[8:01] <shbrngdo> part of it might be not having a 'crossover' cable. In theory the interface on either the laptop end, or on the RPi [v3 only I think] will see the polarity reversal and handle it automatically
[8:02] <shbrngdo> but yeah you normally need a switch or hub to connect the laptop to the RPi without a crossover cable. Sometimes it will work. Sometimes it won't.
[8:02] <shbrngdo> it would depend on the ethernet support you have on your laptop
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[8:04] <shbrngdo> once you get to the point where you're troubleshooting a network connectivity problem, you'll need tools like wireshark
[8:04] <shbrngdo> that is if you can't just solve it with simple tests and trials
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[8:10] <purplex88> i followed the steps https://matthewmoisen.com/blog/how-to-connect-to-a-raspberry-pi-without-internet-using-an-ethernet-cable-and-a-dhcp-server/
[8:10] <purplex88> but still its not showing raspberry's ip
[8:13] <purplex88> ah probably bitdefender
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[8:13] <purplex88> i guess it might be blocking it or something
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[8:20] <purplex88> finally!
[8:21] <purplex88> its given raspberry pi an ip address
[8:21] <purplex88> when i changed ip pool to start to from 170.200.0.1 instead of 169.254.0.1
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[8:23] <purplex88> after 5 hours of trying .. its done
[8:23] <purplex88> connected to ssh as well
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[8:42] <purplex88> how do i enabled wifi in pi if it was disable?
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[8:50] <purplex88> found "sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower on"
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[8:52] <Bukki> Hi, I've searched a lot now about transportable powering of Pi 3B - most was for previous Pi Versions. Anyone can redirect me to a page or tell me what Powerbank(or other Options) I could use? I however sadly have no clue in electronic stuff - so it should be a simple solution
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[8:56] <immibis> mine runs fine off a random (but decent) powerbank
[8:57] <immibis> it's designed for USB power and powerbanks are designed to output USB power so... no problem?
[8:58] <Bukki> There was some articles who said it'd need 5,1V and Powerbanks just give 5V(and may even less at PI's end of cable). So there would be some Issues with Powering.
[8:58] <Bukki> It still runs as same as plugged into wall for you?
[9:00] <immibis> as far as I've noticed
[9:01] <immibis> that would be silly if they designed it for 5.1V
[9:01] <immibis> maybe cheap powerbanks might not be able to supply enough power
[9:01] <purplex88> test
[9:02] <Bukki> What Powerbank do you have?
[9:02] <Bukki> Maybe have a link for me?
[9:04] <purplex88> learning to use "nano" now so i can edit my wifi password
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[9:13] <Cypher100> Vim is nice :)
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[9:14] <lost_and_unfound> Bukki: the RPi 3 is pretty heavy on current, i recall 3A (3000mAh) PSU, So depending on what you are running (e.g. Bluetooth/Wifi/USB) will have more drain on the battery and shorten the duration the Pi can run on the power bank. Then all power banks are not the same, Some can charge and discharge at the same time. Others can do their Charge or discharge, not both. That will impact on the uptime of your Pi.
[9:15] <lost_and_unfound> purplex88: stick with nano for now, vim and vi is very nice like Cypher100 suggested but has a learning curve associated with it
[9:17] <immibis> that 3A figure is assuming worst case USB usage. I think the pi by itself is around 500mA
[9:17] <immibis> plus my power bank (don't know about others) can output 3A anyway
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[9:19] <Bukki> So if I take a random Powerbank which can output 3A I should be safe?
[9:19] <immibis> just try it and see?
[9:19] <immibis> literally what I did was - I bought a raspberry pi, and plugged it into the power bank I already had, and it worked.
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[9:20] <Bukki> I just don't have an powerbank yet. So would like to get sure before purchasing one.
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[9:59] <mtk2001> Can someone recommend a simple pi motor control board with motor speed control
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[10:05] <mtk2001> There used to be one called motorpixt board. This seems to be no longer available
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[11:58] <alsetema> Hello, I am trying to change the boot order in NOOBS since I am connected via SSH and I do not want to use the GUI to change to another partition. I have been looking online but all i have found seems outdated. Where is the file that modifies the boot order?
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[12:27] <BillD73> Is anyone "producing" a Pi 2/3B/B+ NAS case? Having a heck of a time finding one.
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[12:29] <zamba> hi! i am using my pi3 as a icecast source (sending mp3 stream).. in kern.log i see the following now and then:
[12:29] <BillD73> Guess the kids "Legos" would come in handy lol
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[12:29] <zamba> [ 831.404523] Transfer to device 4 endpoint 0x1 frame 709 failed - FIQ reported NYET. Data may have been lost.
[12:30] <zamba> i'm also hearing some artifacts in the stream now and then, but i'm not sure if this is me or if this is in fact a problem
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[12:33] <mlelstv> so what is device 4 ? :)
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[12:35] <mlelstv> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/624
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[12:47] <mk-fg> "Transfer to device 4 ... - FIQ reported NYET" sounds like device 4 talks back in russian :)
[12:48] <mk-fg> (though ofc it's probably meant to be "not yet" error)
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[12:48] <Armand> What do you call it when there's no internet in Russia?
[12:48] <Armand> InterNYET!
[12:48] <mk-fg> Hah
[12:49] <purplex88> What does it mean?
[12:49] <mk-fg> "nyet" is how you'd transcribe "no" word in russian
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[12:50] <mk-fg> Unless you mean actual FIQ error, which I dunno about, seem to be some kind of fw error from that gh link
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[13:14] <purplex88> what fonts these in raspb pi console: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tycf06a763o5ywf/What_Fonts.png
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[13:15] <purplex88> i guess "monospace" size 10
[13:15] <purplex88> but how do i get these in putty?
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[13:18] <stevenm> Hello, I've got a 3b+ here... anyone know of a decent sounding (but small) speaker I can power from the GPIO and has a 3.5mm jack?
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[13:19] <stevenm> it'd go inside this black back box cover in this pic... https://www.audiophonics.fr/24182-thickbox_default/smartipi-touch-small-back-cover-15mm-black.jpg
[13:20] <stevenm> i can't power it off usb as the pi isn't powered by usb - it's by PoE (and the display is powered by gpio also)
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[13:27] <Arlenx> hi,i'm a very new to raspberry pi and i need some little help please.I have raspberry pi 3 B+ and i don't know what cooling system i need for it.should i purchase alloy case or acrylic with fan or what? help please
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[13:27] <Arlenx> also i'm not gonna overclock it
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[13:30] <pksato> Arlenx: not need cooling system.
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[13:30] <davr0s> i presume it would be possible to copy files across USB cables beween pis, e.g. imagine having one Pi3 with wifi, and several pi-zeros (non-wifi) connected to it over USB ?
[13:31] <pksato> davr0s: not via direct cabling.
[13:31] <Arlenx> pksato, is that case enough? https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Silver-Premium-Aluminum-Alloy-Metal-Case-for-Raspberry-Pi-3-B-2-Model-B-B/272715338626?hash=item3f7f19d382:g:GjkAAOSwCkZZP7fg
[13:31] <pksato> need some link of interface device.
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[13:32] <davr0s> i presumed it wouldn't work out of the box ,some specific software would be needed to do it, but are you saying the hardware is not sufficient to copy data like that?
[13:32] <pksato> Arlenx: Yes.
[13:32] <Arlenx> pksato, thanks a lot
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[13:33] <davr0s> actually come to think of it could you power and transfer data simultaneously between a pi-zero and (a computer with a powered USB socket)
[13:33] <pksato> davr0s: but, pi0 can be a USB device.
[13:33] <davr0s> e.g. using the pi0 as a USB camera for another computer
[13:33] <pksato> device as ethernet
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> stevenm, you can still plug USB devices into a PoE Pi ... the usb ports still give power.
[13:34] <stevenm> nah I don't want to use USB at all
[13:34] <stevenm> oh *give* power
[13:34] <stevenm> well there is the GPIO anyway - that's easier
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> whatever.
[13:39] <davr0s> https://lifehacker.com/turn-a-raspberry-pi-zero-into-just-about-any-usb-device-1750112654 "turn an rpi 0 into a usb device, ... including a camera" , thats what I have in mind, i guess,
[13:40] <davr0s> e.g. for a stereo (or more) camera, having a 'master' rpi with wifi, and using connected pi-zeros (nonwifi) to encode data from additional cameras
[13:40] <davr0s> (they could be connected to the master by USB?)
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[13:41] <davr0s> i'm not necaserily expecting the rpi itself could power them though, but would it be possible to use some sort of powered USB hub to supply the power and copy images back
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[13:51] <stevenm> gordonDrogon, i've plopped the q here instead, see what ideas people have... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=208848&p=1291066#p1291066
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[13:53] <mk-fg> davr0s, Sounds possible for sure
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[13:54] <mk-fg> Note that rpi's usb performance is not stellar though, in case you'll be connecting many rpi0s to one USB Host rpi3
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> have the launched the PoE hat then? I thought it was still a few months away...
[13:55] <davr0s> yeah it might not need to be ; it could be a case of recording then doing file transfer 'back home', it just being a convenience compared to unplugging everyhting and manually pulling stuff off the SD cards
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> stevenm, have you seen: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/speaker-phat
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[14:01] <mfa298> davr0s: maybe look at some of what the Cluster HAT does, e.g. https://8086.support/content/23/88/en/guide-to-using-the-rpiboot-test-image-on-the-cluster-hat_zero-stem-or-just-a-usb-cable.html
[14:01] <mfa298> I think half of what you're thinking of doing has already been done.
[14:01] <davr0s> that looks rather interesting
[14:02] <mfa298> otg ethernet between the host Pi and zeros should be relatively easy, then just use NFS to share files
[14:02] <davr0s> it claims to USB-boot the pi0's, although i would have thought i'd still want Sd card storage in the pi-zeros to buffer video
[14:02] <mfa298> didn't I suggest all this to you the other night.
[14:02] <davr0s> maybe, i forget
[14:03] <mfa298> if you put SDs into the zeros then it's probably even easier to setup. I'm interested in getting the Pi to boot over USB (hence having that link handy) so I can use it for testing different things without the constant switching of cards
[14:06] <jancoow> in my home all pi's are network booted
[14:06] <jancoow> except 1 which is on wifi
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[14:12] <stevenm> gordonDrogon, yeah I've put in the forum post that I'm still waiting for the PoE module to arrive - but the goal of this newly assembled screen/pi is to run a touch screen from PoE
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[14:13] <stevenm> gordonDrogon, that speaker looks interesting but not sure how it attaches / i could also attach the display with that... plus the lights on it would be wasted inside the case
[14:14] <stevenm> oh unless it passes the pins of the gpio through i guess
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[14:16] <my123> is the GPU in the BCM2837 still 3 QPU slices? it's 38Gflops instead of 24 because of the upclocking to 400MHz alone
[14:16] <my123> (I've never reached 24Gflops in real life though)
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[14:21] <BurtyB> mfa298, btw don't try the guide on a Pi3+ as the host as it wouldn't work atm due to the vlan/bridge kernel issues
[14:21] <mfa298> stevenm: you might even have issues with the PoE hat and display, there's been no comment about how the PoE HAT works with other devices or not, but the advice so far is that the HAT spec only supports a single HAT.
[14:22] <stevenm> mfa298, well afaics the r-pi3b+ has 4 extra pins seperate from the gpio for the poe hat
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[14:22] <zamba> mlelstv: it's an usb soundcard
[14:22] <stevenm> so i can't (yet) see how it could be a problem
[14:22] <mfa298> BurtyB: I wasn't going to yet, I've been trying to PXE boot the 3B+, although in future that could be an interesting setup, have the 3B+ PXE boot, then further boot the Pi Zero.
[14:22] <Karyon> So I was looking at the specs for the lpddr chip on my pi3b rev1.2 and it says that it's a dual die 8gb chip model#EDB8132B4PB-8D-F
[14:22] <Karyon> . Is this true or am I looking at the wrong specs?
[14:22] <BurtyB> stevenm, it has an EEPROM and also uses a pin to control the fan from what I read on the forum iirc
[14:23] <mfa298> stevenm: those pins are the centre taps from the magjack, so the PoE hat pushes the 5V in via the 40pin gpio header, the poe hat also seems to use i2c for DTO config and fan control.
[14:24] <BurtyB> mfa298, yeah I hope to do that too once the Pi3+ stops going Oops on me
[14:24] <stevenm> dunno - all a bit above my head at the mo... will muddle through (or not) when it comes, no rush
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[14:24] <stevenm> i usually runs pi's from poe anyway (but using an external poe splitter and a microusb plug) - but the official r-pi3b+ way looks much nicer as you can use the original rj45 port
[14:25] <stevenm> but i can always go back to my old way of doing it
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[14:26] <mfa298> stevenm: I think the details are in https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=207863 or possibly a post about the schematics
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[14:28] <mfa298> as for the other cheapy PoE (082.1af) splitters they might cause issues on the 3B+, the ones I have only pass two pairs to the rj45 plug so the gigabit interface doesn't come up properly (I've had to fix the switch at 100/half to make it work - which is a horrible hack) - details https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=208520#p1290412
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[14:29] <mfa298> s/802.1af/802.3af/
[14:30] <Karyon> The specs I'm looking at can be found in pdf form here -> https://www.micron.com/resource-details/c1ed0482-602f-4e4d-a35a-99ab55ab6e93
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[14:32] <mfa298> BurtyB: looks like they pushed an updated kernel to the master branch yesterday, but I don't know if that's fixed the issue you were seing (I think I saw your posts about it the other day but not really followed the issues as it's not a problem for me yet)
[14:33] <mfa298> I only noticed as I'm currently pulling the firmware and kernel from git for my the pxe tests
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[14:49] <BurtyB> mfa298, ta will take a look, think there's 3 issues on there atm I'm seeing :/
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[15:21] <purplex88> why is it forbidden or not good practice to use a space in file names under linux?
[15:22] <purplex88> I used it all the time in windows.
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[15:24] <pksato> forbidden? not. just a good practice for file names on any OS.
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[15:31] <bioa10> Hello
[15:32] <bioa10> Would it be possible to take the SD card from my Pi and boot it on another machine, such as my laptop? I tried it but it doesn't show up in the boot manager
[15:33] <r3> bioa10: no, that's not possible to boot from it, but you might be able to mount it if you have a linux system
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[15:35] <bioa10> Is there a reason it doesn't work? It would make it so much easier to join and test things.
[15:35] <bioa10> Would it be possible to boot it into a virtual machine?
[15:35] <r3> bioa10: there are several partitions on the SD card and if you were to put it into a Windows-type system, you would only be able to see the FAT partition and not the others. If you have a linus system, you might be able to mount it and then be able to access the data partition.
[15:36] <r3> you can use a VM, see this page: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspberry-pi-desktop/
[15:36] <pksato> bioa10: rpi is not use same cpu as notebook/desktop computers. Its is not compatible.
[15:36] <r3> but if you have a linux VM, you should be able to mount the partition with the Pi's filesystem on it
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[15:37] <r3> but boot it, no, it is a different architecture than your laptop. Your laptop uses Intel and the Pi uses ARM.
[15:37] <r3> s/linus/linux/ but you knew that
[15:38] <pksato> but, Yes for you primary question, is possible to boot you notebook from same SD used on RPi. But, not same OS. Can boot raspbian for x86.
[15:39] <bioa10> So, if I have Raspbian installed on the SD, it is possible to plug it into my laptop and use virtual box to boot it?
[15:40] <pksato> no.
[15:40] <r3> no. Its a different CPU architecture.
[15:40] <pksato> you simple question have a complex answer.
[15:40] <r3> you can read the SD card, however, which is what most people do.
[15:41] <bioa10> So the virtualbox can't simulate the other architecture?
[15:41] <r3> no.
[15:42] <pksato> but. qemu can do.
[15:42] <r3> there are emulators out there, but that is beyond the scope of this channel, and - frankly - more trouble than they are worth.
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[15:42] <Tenkawa> virtualbox is for emulating x86 not arm
[15:42] <gilesc> I heard qemu can emulate a pi
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[15:43] * gilesc duplicates
[15:43] <bioa10> So, I wanted to mess around with the programs on my Pi while at school, and unless I am in the lab, I only have my laptop available, so I wanted a way to mess with it on my laptop
[15:44] <gilesc> bioa10, https://azeria-labs.com/emulate-raspberry-pi-with-qemu/
[15:45] <bioa10> Also, any recommendations for a speech recognition program for the Pi? I tried voicecommand by Steven Hickson but I keep getting errors that it can't read the .flac file
[15:47] <r3> bioa10: the link I provided you will allow you to install a Pi-Like environment in a virtualbox on your intel (x86) laptop. Most of the programs made available to you on the Pi are going to have a similar program in debian, as raspbian is a fork of debian. So if you wanted a Pi experience in virtual box, install that from that link. Otherwise, you're getting into emulation which is a
[15:47] <r3> huge field, and - IMHO - not worth the trouble with a Pi as they are so inexpensive.
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[15:51] <bioa10> One of my teachers really wants me to use machine learning for voice recognition
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[15:52] <r3> bioa10: I saw this mentioned once: https://oscarliang.com/raspberry-pi-voice-recognition-works-like-siri/
[15:54] <Mutsumi> gilesc, there is an actual machine type, raspi2, and in the next release raspi3
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[15:55] <Mutsumi> no more versatilepb
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[16:21] <Giant81> so, here is a question, other than a bit of price difference? are there reasons to choose a pi 2 over say a pi3?
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[16:25] <gilesc> Giant81, a number of reasons, depending on your use case: http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/raspberrypi-models-comparison
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[16:25] <leftyfb> price, lack of wifi (security?), power usage, compatibility with the SoC
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[16:33] <r3> I might stay away from the newest one until the software environment/culture has caught up to it as I have heard not all packages are ready for it. My Pi2 are still going strong years later, but if I had to replace hardware I guess I would go up to the 3. I have just a couple of the 3 and those are also still going strong, but did have to make a few small adjustments when moving from
[16:33] <r3> the 2 to the 3.
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[16:35] <Tenkawa> the pi 3 has been out over 2 years
[16:35] <Tenkawa> thats quite established
[16:36] <r3> aye, it is. I was speaking of the Pi 3 B+ that came out this month
[16:37] <Tenkawa> true.. however its changes are nominal
[16:38] <Tenkawa> I just want to be able to be able to pick up one soon
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[16:39] <my123> r3, are some of them late Pi2s?
[16:39] <my123> those are Pi3s without WiFi/Bluetooth really
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[16:42] <r3> my123: I'm not sure, I don't think so, how would one check? I wasn't aware of a large division in the Pi2 design? I thought I had got a dozen of all the same exact (I'm pretty sure I did anyway)
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[16:43] <my123> r3, revision 1.2 of the RPi2 has the Pi3 SoC
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[17:17] <davr0s> awesome,my second Pi0W and Pi3B+ arrived .. bringing my pi-count to 5, and camera count to 4
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[17:17] <davr0s> this time i seem to have attached the camera succesfully without breaking the damn thing
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[17:19] <b3zi> Can someone tell me why this gps gives me just that? https://hastebin.com/keyapafiya.pl
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[17:23] <mlelstv> rpi2 v1.2 is more a rpi2 with a BCM2837 than a rpi3 without bluetooth+wifi
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[17:23] <mlelstv> that's probably why it runs at 900MHz while a rpi3 runs at 1.2GHz
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[17:24] <mfa298> b3zi: what are you expecting ?
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[17:25] <b3zi> mfa298, I conected the gps via gpia to ttyS0 ad would like to have my location. But i just get northpole. I am using Pi 3 and nl-552ettl
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[17:26] <mfa298> actually I think you're getting something just off the coast of west africa
[17:27] <mfa298> the 'sats: 0' should give a clue why
[17:28] <mfa298> you need at least 4 satellites visible to get a position, if the module is indoors you'll probably fail to see any satellites
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[17:39] <r3> b3zi: you're going to either need an antenna, or put the module in a window to get GPS satellite reception.
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[17:41] <b3zi> it actually is at the window so i am wondering. thy
[17:41] <r3> check the specs for the module you're using, it might have a spot for an external antenna via SMA or uFL
[17:43] <r3> be sure to note if the module requires an active antenna, however. It will bias the antenna line by sending voltage down it so you've got to have the right sort of antenna. SMA Active antenna: https://www.adafruit.com/product/960 (I have tons of these) or a smaller passive uFL antenna: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2461
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[17:46] <r3> also, it takes some time to initialize. So if you're sure it has an antenna, leave it somewhere with a view of the sky (to the south if you're in the northern hemisphere) for a while - 20 minutes? Not sure if your module has an almanac on it to help speed up the start-up times.
[17:49] <r3> if it looks like this one [ https://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/372874/GPS-receiver-Navilock-NL-552ETTL-GPS ] then the large square component is the antenna and should be facing up and towards outdoors.
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[17:51] <bioa10> Hello, I have another question
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[17:51] <b3zi> r3, ah yes, okay, might have bee the problem with facig down. turned it now -waitig
[17:51] <bioa10> If I have a PC case, how would I go about adding the USB ports at the front onto the Pi?
[17:52] <b3zi> GPIO Serial ports?
[17:52] <bioa10> Would I need to modify the Pi or would GPIO work?
[17:52] <b3zi> I dont really get it. You want additional usb ports?
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[17:54] <bioa10> So, a normal PC case has USB ports on the case, how would I connect that to the Pi?
[17:54] <b3zi> Ah you want to put the pi in the pc case or what?
[17:55] <Giant81> usually the USB ports on a case are connected through a USB header on the motherboard, I'm not sure, but I don't think the PI has a USB header on board
[17:55] <mfa298> b3zi: I'd suggest getting it outside, some windows will attenuate (block) rf signals.
[17:55] <Giant81> you could try getting something to convert the header to a USB plug and can plug it into the PI
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[17:55] <b3zi> mfa298, possible, you re right
[17:56] <bioa10> b3zi: Yes, we are putting the pi into a regular PC case for our project
[17:57] <bioa10> We are using multiple Pis in our project, so we wanted them all in one case with good cooling to make it easier to move around
[17:58] <b3zi> ah I would build a stack
[17:58] <Apocx> Sounds like you need something like this then https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-designed-motherboard-external-connector/dp/B000V6WD8A
[17:58] <Apocx> if you want to use the usb header for the case usb ports to connect to pi
[17:58] <ali1234> depends what kind of cable the case uses
[17:58] <ali1234> they make adapters for all of them
[17:58] <Apocx> yep, so find one that has the same as yours
[17:58] <bioa10> Apocx: Ah, nice
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[17:59] <ali1234> they are normally used to plug in a front panel connector into an external rear USB connector
[17:59] <bioa10> We are ordering the case today, so we will get it sometime next week
[17:59] <ali1234> but would work perfectly for a raspberry pi too
[17:59] <ali1234> you will find them in the case modding section of whatever website
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[17:59] <bioa10> This is the case we are getting https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAA5W3RV9137
[18:00] <ali1234> that's a nice case for the price
[18:00] <ali1234> HTPC cases are normally silly prices
[18:00] <bioa10> Yep
[18:00] <Apocx> That most likely has the two row USB header then
[18:01] <ali1234> yeah, its usb 2.0
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[18:02] <bioa10> So which kind of adapter will we need? I am going to head to an electronics store soon for a few other parts so I might as well see if they have it there
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[18:03] <Apocx> doubt they will but who knows
[18:03] <Apocx> something like though I'd imagine you'd have to buy online
[18:04] <ali1234> the one Apocx linked above is almost certainly the exact one you need
[18:04] <bioa10> So, would the one you sent before work?
[18:04] <ali1234> bit expensive though
[18:04] <Apocx> yeah can probably find it cheaper on ebay or something
[18:04] <b3zi> r3, the gps drives me crazy, it's now outdoor, heading sky → south on northern hemisphere ad nothin happens -.-
[18:04] <b3zi> Still north pole r3
[18:04] <bioa10> Would we need two since there are two USBs?
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[18:05] <ali1234> that's prime so you pay a premium. if you can wait 3 weeks then you can probably get it under $1 from china
[18:05] <ali1234> yes you will need two
[18:05] <ali1234> or in the UK https://www.scan.co.uk/products/40cm-akasa-usb-20-cable-header-(male)-to-type-a-(male)-cable-ideal-for-motherboards
[18:06] <r3> b3zi: give it some time, I am not sure about that module? Did it ever work? Was it through e-bay (maybe a bad unit?) What are the specifications for it, is it getting enough power?
[18:07] <mfa298> b3zi: it can take some minutes to get a lock, but you will hopefully see the module showing some sattellites now
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[18:08] <Apocx> Some place in Utah called Sewell direct seems to sell them for like $4 too. never bought from them before though
[18:08] <r3> bioa10: I am not sure that the GPIO pins are going to support USB like that adapter. Why not use Pi's the on-board USB ports
[18:08] <ali1234> r3: he is
[18:09] <Apocx> He is using the RPI USB ports. To connect to a computer case USB header
[18:09] <r3> you could use an extension cable like [ https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Extension-Cable-Male-Female/dp/B00NH11R3I ] to route the Pi's usb ports out the front of a PC case
[18:09] <ali1234> the case has USB ports already
[18:10] <ali1234> this actually gives me an idea
[18:10] <r3> oh so he wants to take USB off the motherboard internally and plug it into the pi?
[18:10] <ali1234> no
[18:10] <b3zi> r3, mfa298 god save the gps, its working finally
[18:10] <Apocx> no, from the front panel USB
[18:10] <Apocx> instead of plugging into the mobo, it'd instead plug into the pi via the header->usb male adapters
[18:11] <r3> b3zi: told ya, it takes some time! Now if it has a battery backup on board it should now save the almanac data so that future start-ups take less time.
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[18:12] <r3> Apocx: ok, well as long as he's not trying to take USB off the Pi via GPIO headers, that was my concern.
[18:12] <b3zi> ah oke
[18:12] <Apocx> right. yeah that wouldn't work. these are male USB headers
[18:12] <b3zi> It is pretty stable now :D
[18:13] <Apocx> Though if the Pi had GPIO USB ports that'd be awesome :)
[18:13] <r3> well more than that, the "serial" GPIO pins aren't USB, they are just TTL plain serial, so OK
[18:13] <Apocx> One of the reasons I liked the Nano Pi
[18:13] <Apocx> USB pins* I should say
[18:14] <ali1234> yeah it would be really nice if the USB port was on a header instead of test points
[18:16] <BurtyB> yeah, especially with the pi3+ usb hub/nic datasheet saying it's 6 port
[18:17] <ali1234> heh
[18:17] <ali1234> what tpye of package is it?
[18:17] <ali1234> can i solder wires on to it?
[18:17] <BurtyB> bga I think :(
[18:18] <Apocx> the usb hub/lan chip? don't think so.
[18:18] <Apocx> yeah
[18:18] <ali1234> boo
[18:18] <Apocx> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/rpi3bplus-lan7515.jpg
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[18:20] <my123> RPi's software support is amazing
[18:20] <Apocx> I do hope they redesign the RPI form factor some day. I know they want to keep it backwards compatible but I feel like that will also keep them from really pushing the platform
[18:21] <Apocx> Maybe release a new board with a new name that can still utilize the RPI environment
[18:21] <my123> the only tidbit that is really missing for me is being able to use the firmware 3D and the Mesa stack at the same time
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[18:23] <willmore> Does anyone know the speed of the SDIO interface used on the Rpi3 and 3+ to speak to the wifi chip? Is it 50MHz/4bits?
[18:24] <ali1234> you could find out by looking at the registers while it is working
[18:24] <ali1234> or looking at the kernel source and device trees
[18:24] <ali1234> i don't know off hand what speed it uses
[18:24] <willmore> ali1234, okay, I'll take a look at the DT, thanks--I don't have a running 3 available to poke at.
[18:24] <willmore> Thank you!
[18:25] <B0g4r7_> Is the dual-band wifi on the 3b+ much different from single-band found in the 3b? If I configure wifi on my 3b, can I take its SD card and move it into a 3b+ and have it "just work"?
[18:25] <willmore> B0g4r7_, I believe so.
[18:25] <ali1234> only if it is up to date
[18:26] <willmore> Good point.
[18:26] <B0g4r7_> 'k, I'll make sure to update all the things first.
[18:27] <willmore> dist-upgarde as well?
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[18:29] <B0g4r7_> I have a 3b on hand, and 3b+ arriving next week. If I have to tweak some things I guess it's not a problem really.
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[18:29] <B0g4r7_> I may want to run hostapd anyway.
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[18:30] <B0g4r7_> I got the geekworm UPS hat yesterday. It seems pretty nice.
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[18:39] <willmore> ali1234, FWIW, the dts shows 50/4, so i'm going to guess that's correct. That jibes with the spec's max speed, so it does seem reasonable.
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[18:45] <Tenkawa> wish me luck
[18:45] <Tenkawa> trying out arm64 kernel
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[18:53] <my123> Tenkawa, userspace too?
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[18:57] <Tenkawa> my123: not yet
[18:58] <Tenkawa> need to get consistent build environment setup first
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[19:00] <purplex88> how do i setup a static ip address for raspberry stretch?
[19:00] <purplex88> the most easy way
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[19:00] <purplex88> using dhcp server to get ip is very pain
[19:00] <purplex88> sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
[19:01] <BurtyB> purplex88, edit /etc/dhcpcd.conf - it has an example config in the file
[19:02] <purplex88> i did it in etc/network/interfaces file
[19:02] <purplex88> i entered the static ip details
[19:02] <purplex88> is it wrong?
[19:02] <BurtyB> you prob should have read the warning at the top of the file telling you to use /etc/dhcpcd.conf instead
[19:03] <Apocx> I just used /etc/network/interfaces and disabled dhcpcd personally
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[19:04] <Apocx> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/37920/how-do-i-set-up-networking-wifi-static-ip-address/74428#74428
[19:04] <Apocx> Under "Network Interfaces method"
[19:04] <Apocx> Is how I setup mine
[19:05] <purplex88> i can't even connect to pi now
[19:05] <purplex88> dhcp server doesn't assign it anything
[19:05] <Apocx> Which method are you using, /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/dhcpcd.conf
[19:05] <purplex88> first
[19:06] <purplex88> i used it
[19:06] <Apocx> Then follow the directions in the link I sent
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[19:06] <Apocx> I setup my Pi that way yesterday with no issues so I know it works
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[19:07] <purplex88> i didn't disable DHCP client
[19:08] <purplex88> i'll try using wifi but how do i setup its password?
[19:09] <purplex88> if there's a card method
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[19:10] <shiftplusone> card method?
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[19:15] <Apocx> If you want to use dhcpcd, then don't disable it and modify dhcpcd.conf with your static ip details. If you want to use network interfaces method, disable dhcpcd, enable networking, and put your details for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces. it is pretty straight forward. the link I provided shows you how to do both
[19:18] <shiftplusone> Don't even have to disable dhcpcd, it doesn't run if /etc/network/interfaces is configured.
[19:18] <purplex88> ah probably thats why my dhcp server isn't working anymore
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[19:18] <purplex88> probably i did wrong settings
[19:19] <shiftplusone> the key is to choose one method and configure it properly
[19:19] <purplex88> i want to try interfaces method again
[19:19] <shiftplusone> Sometimes people follow a mixture of guides and end up frankensteining their network config.
[19:19] <shiftplusone> Might be a good idea to ost your interfaces file afterwards
[19:20] <shiftplusone> *post
[19:20] <purplex88> going to post now
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[19:24] <purplex88> https://hastebin.com/qeveqisore.pas
[19:24] <Nexiu> Hi there :) I use pi to host owncloud. For now I use samba share for /data but I want to move to usb plugged hdd. I bought usb 3.0 cable with power and data line seperated. I connect data line to pi, power line to usb port in pc / router, but in both pi has reboot after few minutes.
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[19:25] <Nexiu> Where is a problem? In underpowered pi or smth else?
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[19:26] <purplex88> its raspbian stretch os
[19:26] <Nexiu> yes
[19:26] <kushal> Nexiu, I will guess power.
[19:26] <purplex88> i mean my OS is raspbian stretch :)
[19:26] <kushal> Nexiu, I saw similar issue before, changing to a better power thing helped.
[19:26] <Nexiu> what power charger should I use?
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[19:31] <Nexiu> kushal: can I connect pi to Quick Charger (~5A) and then disc power line to them same charger 2,4A port ? It will be safe to pi and disc?
[19:32] <Nexiu> http://prntscr.com/ivg013 < this model
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> missing auto eth0
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[19:37] <purplex88> just that?
[19:37] <kushal> Nexiu, I don't anything about that, sorry.
[19:38] <shiftplusone> purplex88: here's a starting template for dhcp: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_legacy_network_connection_and_configuration
[19:38] <shiftplusone> I don't know if the lo stuff is required
[19:38] <purplex88> i'm reading they changed the method for jessie pi
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[19:38] <shiftplusone> We added a method and made the new one default, you can still use the old one
[19:38] <shiftplusone> but I'd use that and replace the dhcp line with your static stuff
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[19:39] <Apocx> Also make sure you have the right values for your network
[19:39] <purplex88> let me try just adding: auto eth0
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[19:39] <shiftplusone> Interesting that Debian now also consider /etc/network/interfaces a legacy method.
[19:40] <purplex88> i don't want to change wifi to static
[19:40] <Apocx> 169 is generally not your actual network, it's an IP assigned to a device that can't reach a DHCP server. your network probably starts with 192 or some such
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[19:40] <purplex88> just ethernet
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[19:40] <purplex88> 169 is for ethernet to laptop connection
[19:41] <purplex88> for router i don't use ethernet
[19:41] <Apocx> So your Pi is plugged directly to a laptop?
[19:41] <Apocx> interesting
[19:41] <purplex88> yes
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[19:42] <purplex88> and how come i can't save files using text editor?
[19:42] <purplex88> it requires nano to edit and save
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[19:52] <purplex88> in ifconfig, i see that eth0 has an ip address now but its not connecting via ssh
[19:52] <purplex88> i added auto eth0 line
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[19:53] <Tenkawa> whats the message/error? and does ps auxww show sshd/dropbear running?
[19:53] <Tenkawa> you may not be running it
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[19:53] <purplex88> connection time out
[19:54] <Tenkawa> ok.. what ip does eth0 say
[19:54] <purplex88> inet 179.254.0.1
[19:54] <Tenkawa> is that on the same subnet as the device you are trying to connect from?
[19:54] <purplex88> i assigned it via. /etc/network/interfaces
[19:55] <purplex88> netmask?
[19:55] <Tenkawa> so the src machine would need to be 179.254.0.x
[19:56] <purplex88> src machine i think has 192.168.1.1
[19:56] <Tenkawa> 255.255.255.0 if its just a single class c
[19:56] <Tenkawa> you have no route
[19:56] <Tenkawa> you cant do that
[19:56] <purplex88> what do i change it to?
[19:57] <purplex88> 192.168.1.15 i suppose will work, right?
[19:57] <B0g4r7_> Unless using a router, two devices need to be on the same IP network in order to communicate using IP.
[19:57] <Tenkawa> howsyes
[19:57] <Tenkawa> er yes
[19:57] <Tenkawa> exactly what B0g4r7_ said
[19:57] <purplex88> i'm using direct ethernet connection
[19:57] <Tenkawa> purplex88: define direct
[19:57] <purplex88> oh wait 192.168.1.1 is router gateway
[19:58] <purplex88> 1 meter long cable pluged directly into one port of laptop's ethernet and other end to raspberry pi ethernet port
[19:58] <Tenkawa> yeah I have a cabled eth to eth setup too on my pis
[19:59] <Tenkawa> yep
[19:59] <purplex88> ok so you need source ethernet adapter address
[19:59] <purplex88> its 169.254.239.229
[19:59] <Tenkawa> is your other machine linux or windows?
[20:00] <purplex88> windows
[20:00] <Tenkawa> i dont even bother with dhcp on mine
[20:00] <purplex88> 192.168.1.1 was WLAN address
[20:00] <Tenkawa> on my pi in /etc/network/interfaces I setup a iface eth0 inet static stanza
[20:00] <purplex88> I guess now I need to set 169.254.239.x on rasp pi?
[20:01] <Tenkawa> then define a static ip in windows on the other side
[20:01] <Tenkawa> then done
[20:01] <Tenkawa> thats all
[20:01] <purplex88> or just define static ip on windows
[20:01] <Tenkawa> yep
[20:01] <purplex88> rasp has 179.254.0.1 so i'll give windows something like 179.254.0.10
[20:02] <Tenkawa> theres so many different ways to do it
[20:02] <purplex88> what others?
[20:02] <Tenkawa> man 5 interfaces
[20:03] <Tenkawa> the examples start there
[20:04] <B0g4r7_> FYI, 179.254.0.0/16 is not private address space.
[20:05] <B0g4r7_> You may have trouble talking to Brasil Telecom S/A if you use it internally.
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[20:05] <mfa298> purplex88: unless you work for Brasil Telecom and know their network setup you should probably stick to putting thigns in 192.168.0.0/16 or 10.0.0.0/8
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[20:05] <Tenkawa> good catch... wasnt noticing the address range
[20:06] <Tenkawa> and I should know those by memory
[20:06] * Tenkawa has been away from this for too long
[20:07] <mfa298> purplex88: you also shouldn't be assigning 169.254 addresses via dhcp or manually (I've not looked to see if you are) that range is dedicated to autoconfiguration.
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[20:14] <purplex88> finally connected to pi
[20:15] <purplex88> this was hell
[20:15] <purplex88> mfa298: i see
[20:16] <purplex88> at least now i guess i know how it works
[20:17] <Tenkawa> hopefully it provided new insight
[20:17] <purplex88> so my pc is: 169.254.239.230 (autoconfigured) and i gave pi a static ip: 169.254.239.235
[20:18] <Tenkawa> its still recommended to use one of the actual assigned (192.168.x.x) address spaces
[20:18] <purplex88> is the catch here that subnets or netmasks should match two connect two devices?
[20:18] <Tenkawa> theres a guide out there about dhcp assignments and such but its been like 15 years since I've read it
[20:19] <mfa298> to communicate within a subnet all devices need to be within the same subnet. Everything on that subnet should have the same mask.
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[20:21] <mfa298> the subnet mask defines how big the network is, within 192.168.0.0/16 (the whole network) subnets are usually a /24 (or 255.255.255.0) which means there are 256 networks (the 3rd octet) each with 256 addresses (the 4th octet)
[20:21] <purplex88> i called it just home LAN network
[20:22] <mfa298> so 192.168.1.2/24 and 192.168.1.99/24 are in one subnet and 192.168.2.3/24 is in a different subnet
[20:22] <purplex88> didn't go into subnets
[20:22] <mfa298> that's a very brief overview, you should probably read a decent network primer to understand it better
[20:22] <Rickta59> mfa298: http://www.subnet-calculator.com/
[20:23] <purplex88> i thought understanding subnets was difficult
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[20:23] <purplex88> so how can devices from different subnets connect?
[20:24] <mfa298> that's what a router does
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[20:25] <Tenkawa> anyone been around this stuff long enough to remember x.25?
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[20:26] <purplex88> the /24 and /16 at the end of ip addresses got me confused and discouraged when i attempted to learn about subnet, i thought it was complicated
[20:27] <mfa298> purplex88: that description above is fairly simplistic and makes a bunch of assumptions, a decent primer should give you a lower level understanding which would mean you could understand 10.33.132.4/22 as an address and what else is in that subnet.
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[20:28] <mfa298> /24 is just a shorthand for which bits define the network and which define the host, in a /24 the first 24 bits define the network. It's the same as setting the mask to 255.255.255.0 (think about that in binary and note the first 24 bits are set to 1)
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[20:30] <purplex88> apart from the math involved, i learned basically what a subnet does is that it defines a range of ip addresses for devices in same LAN
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[20:31] <purplex88> i can yes use a subnet calculator and i suppose most people do.
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[20:34] * caoliver mostly does that in his head.
[20:34] <mfa298> subnet calculators help most when you already upderstand all the principles. They can potentially lead to confusion before that.
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[20:34] * caoliver ran an ISP from 1994 to 1999, so he got lots of practice.
[20:35] <mfa298> caoliver: same, but then I've also had years of practice, I used to work somewhere that had a public /16 which was subnetted into a mixture of /24, /22, /30 and a few other random sizes
[20:36] <mfa298> /28 was another favourite
[20:36] <caoliver> Ewwwww!
[20:36] <caoliver> You drank hard CIDR.
[20:36] <caoliver> Sorry. Had to use the cheap joke. I ran out of expensive ones.
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[20:37] * mfa298 considers the range of tcp/udp/broadcast/multicast jokes and thinks again
[20:38] <caoliver> Heh!
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[20:39] <purplex88> i'm going to use 192.168.2.x for ethernet port since 192.168.1.x is taken by my WLAN, or can i also use 192.168.1.x for ethernet port as well?
[20:39] <caoliver> Favorite is the third fundamental truth of networking (RFC 1925)
[20:40] <mfa298> purplex88: if the're on different broadcast domains (probably) then they ought to have different address ranges.
[20:41] <mfa298> otherwise if you talk to something else in 192.168.1.x how does the pi know whether to use eth0 or wlan0
[20:43] <purplex88> means I should choose 192.168.2.x?
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[20:43] <purplex88> for eth0
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[20:45] <purplex88> as i have seen different interfaces ought to have different ip ranges
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[20:51] <rzmt> Does vixie-cron support customization for the mail program (sendmail)? Fedora offers -m flag for cron but raspbian 9.3 with vixie cron doesn't have one.
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[20:54] <purplex88> okay i guess two different interfaces should have different two subnets
[20:56] <purplex88> mfa298: any idea what will be the default gateway if I assign static ip address range 192.168.2.x to eth0?
[20:57] <Tenkawa> purplex88: you have to give it oone
[20:57] <Tenkawa> er one
[20:57] <Tenkawa> assign it
[20:57] <purplex88> 192.168.2.1 ?
[20:57] <purplex88> one at the end
[20:59] <purplex88> or means i can give it any within the range 192.168.2.x
[21:00] <purplex88> since I am not going to use eth0 for internet at all
[21:00] <purplex88> just locally
[21:00] <Tenkawa> if you assign 192.168.2.1.1-254 with a netmask 255.255.255.0 that will give youo plenty to work with
[21:01] <Tenkawa> substitute the third octet
[21:01] <Tenkawa> ie
[21:01] <Tenkawa> 192.168.3.x for whatever you want your private net to be
[21:01] <Tenkawa> oops
[21:01] <Tenkawa> 192.168.2.1-254
[21:02] <Tenkawa> too many dots
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[21:02] <purplex88> so 192.168.2.2 i'm giving to PC and 192.168.2.3 to pi and 192.168.2.1 to gateway
[21:02] <Tenkawa> yep
[21:03] <purplex88> means if i bring a router into this subnet, it will acquire 192.168.2.1
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[21:03] <Tenkawa> all get the same broadcast and netmask and you are set
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[21:04] <Tenkawa> (you shouldnt need to explicitly set broadcast)
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[21:04] <purplex88> i set the broadcast in pi when i gave it static ip
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[21:04] <purplex88> 192.168.2.255
[21:04] <Tenkawa> yep
[21:05] <purplex88> i don't know what it does but i gave it
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[21:13] <purplex88> finally, everything is great now.
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[21:16] <Tenkawa> cool
[21:16] <purplex88> except just that when i had ethernet connected to pi and i'm using wifi at the same time, my wifi lags and gets slow in reponse
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[21:19] * stiv guesses: contention for the USB bus. (or little pi just being overworked)
[21:19] <Tenkawa> you probably need to tweak the power savings settins too
[21:19] <Tenkawa> ethtool
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[21:20] <Tenkawa> stux|RC-only: could be powermgmt kicking in too
[21:20] <Tenkawa> er stiv
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[21:22] <Tenkawa> free
[21:22] <Tenkawa> oops
[21:23] <mfa298> purplex88: default gateway is the address of the device that knows how to get to other networks, i.e. it's the default gateway if you don't know how to get somewhere
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[21:24] <mfa298> if there's no way out of the network there's no need to assign the gateway (and it can be any address in the network but the first or last useable are generally the prefferrred)
[21:24] <Encrypt> o/
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[21:24] <purplex88> yes really so strange. my ethernet is not touching the router at all and still it affects wifi
[21:25] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. time to run
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[21:26] <purplex88> i'll delete the gateway in that case
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[21:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Hi i think i may have broken my git setup on my rpi3 server raspian
[21:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i have ssh set up on another port other than 22
[21:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> and my repo is set to var/www/repo.git
[21:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> after adding my remote origin with a bit of google prowess i managed to finally get the thing to connect and send
[21:30] <MrCrackPotBuilde> now after everything sent its just hanging at this bit Writing objects: 100% (109/109), 27.28 KiB | 0 bytes/s, done. || Total 109 (delta 8), reused 0 (delta 0)
[21:30] <MrCrackPotBuilde> is it because i have to use sudo to make changes in that folder ??
[21:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> if so if i chwn 777 /var/www would that allow me to make changes to just var/www without sudo
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[21:55] <davr0s> you know those 'display link' USB monitor dongles .. has anyone hacked an r-pi zero to behave like one of those (i.e. driven as a usb device, which i gather is possible). i realise you could for most puposes use it with synergy for extra workspace, but here i imagine extending a mac desktop or something (i hope that doesnt sound wasteful..)
[21:55] <inook> can somewone help me mount a webdev(nextcloud) please!!
[21:57] <davr0s> (i guess the true pi enthusiast would just use a bunch of pi's with synergy)
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[21:59] <purplex88> seeyaall later
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[22:05] <davr0s> Q2... has anyone done something like 'Single-System-Image' for a bunch of raspberry pis to behave like a single computer, with virtual memory paging between them (imagine if you could get it to migrate tasks as you drag the windows between physical pi's..)
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[22:11] <inook> can somewone help me mount a webdev(nextcloud) please!!
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[22:22] <mfa298> davr0s: I doubt it, it's going to be horribly slow to do that sort of thing
[22:22] * shbrngdo looks at topic string. Yeah, freenode is more or less the 'server of choice' for developers, so it makes sense to be "Blessed" by RPi foundation
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[22:24] <mfa298> davr0s: clusters tend to split tasks down into distinct units that can be processed individually - usually with high speed interconnects for real clusters
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[22:25] <davr0s> right , but imagine if the act of dragging a window from one pi's monitor to the next would hint it to relocate the address-space of any associated processes .. such that processes were running on the pi of their monitor
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[22:25] <shbrngdo> ack - "task unit" for multi-thread/multi-system processes
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[22:27] <davr0s> i realise it would certainly be horrendously slow if one process was split across seperate pi's
[22:27] <shbrngdo> davr0s - X11 already has the capability of having a process run remotely on another machine. 'DISPLAY' environment variable, so long as nothing was done to prevent it. Normally you just create ~/.xserverrc and put "exec Xorg -listen tcp" in it
[22:28] <mfa298> davr0s: feel free to try implimenting, but that's probably some nasty deep in the kernel stuff to deal with and a whole loads of what-ifs to consider
[22:28] <shbrngdo> then on the target machine, 'export DISPLAY=the_host:0.0' where 'the_host' is the IP address or DNS name of the machine running the X server
[22:28] <davr0s> heh yes, i've never touched the linux kernel, let alone at that level
[22:29] <shbrngdo> in any case if you want multiple X servers to share the same 'desktop' that might be a bit too much.
[22:29] <mfa298> the only thing I know of that actually moves ram around between hosts is the enterprise levels of VMware and that needs very fast networking (10GbE or faster)
[22:30] <shbrngdo> if you had multiple X desktops, though, each with a different server ID, you could set things up to run applications remotely on one of them..
[22:30] <mfa298> and they have some very talented people, who know their product inside out - and it's probably a lot simpler than the linux kernel
[22:30] <davr0s> i suppose at a simpler level you could look at getting 'synergy' to fudge some limited drag-drop style behaviour between machines, including the abiltiy to drag a bowser tab
[22:31] <shbrngdo> why exactly do you need to do this? just curious
[22:31] <davr0s> shbrngdo just curious - wanting more excuses to buy and use pi's
[22:31] <mfa298> as shbrngdo has said, moving where something is displayed is more possible, actually moving a process around (ram is only part of what you have to move) is a much harder task
[22:31] <davr0s> being able to use a bunch of them more seemlessly might be interesting
[22:32] <shbrngdo> well, if you don't mind SOME of the desktops being remote, you can set this up with multiple X servers and multiple monitors. OR, you could set up a 'virtual screen' that's twice the width of the normal one, and run side-by-side VNC clients
[22:32] <davr0s> there's another suggestion above which might be less insane, but still insane: using a pi-zero to emulate a DisplayLink USB monitor (as a USB device, for a PC or mac laptop..)
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[22:33] <shbrngdo> is there a "usb slave device" driver available for Pi Zero?
[22:33] <davr0s> i think there is- i see a link
[22:33] <shbrngdo> there's libusb of course but it was written for microcontrollers
[22:33] <davr0s> https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget/overview <<<
[22:33] <shbrngdo> ah, someone's done it then. it had to happen eventually
[22:34] <davr0s> this says 'you can use the pi-zero as practically any kind of USB device..' ... that leads me to ask , 'could you use a pi as a Display-LInk style USB monitor :)
[22:34] <shbrngdo> er not 'libusb' - maybe 'usblib' - whatever, I have a link somewhere for it
[22:34] <mfa298> there are plenty of interesting things you can do with multiple pi's but I'd stay away from crazy thoughts.
[22:34] <davr0s> (just getting my shiny new pi3b+ going at the minute, fun)
[22:34] <shbrngdo> well since the USB only does USB 2 then you might be restricted in bandwidth, but it's worth a try.
[22:35] <davr0s> again i'm under no illusions about the speed of a 'usb monitor', i have got one
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[22:35] <davr0s> (nice, the pi3 works :) )
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[23:19] <CbmGraphics> Aye
[23:19] <CbmGraphics> Anyone active?
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[23:20] <mfa298> CbmGraphics: no ?
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[23:20] <davr0s> no
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[23:20] <larsks> Not me.
[23:21] <CbmGraphics> Ahh darn, was wanting some help on getting i3 on raspian
[23:21] <CbmGraphics> too bad
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[23:23] <mfa298> I'm not sure what i3 is so not sure I could help there
[23:23] <mfa298> is it not something you can install from a package ?
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[23:24] <CbmGraphics> I already have it installed, and I set it as the WM through terminal
[23:24] <CbmGraphics> but
[23:25] <CbmGraphics> <><><><> when I relog or reboot, it's still just stock raspian
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[23:25] <CbmGraphics> and i3 is a window manager
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[23:53] <ConkyAxis> mfa298: not possible your pi are connected over a slow link interms of processors
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[23:55] <davr0s> strange..
[23:57] <davr0s> got a new rpi0w, and rpi3b+; setup an SD card with raspbian . got it booting into CLI. on the pi3, it tends to crash on loading the gui (startx). just tried the same sd-card on the pi0w.. that seems to work ok (into the GUI).
[23:58] <davr0s> differences.. the rpi3b+ was connected to a lan. other than that..
[23:58] <davr0s> ah the pi0 has a camera plugged in
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[23:59] <GenteelBen> They should let us connect the Pi Zero W and 3B+ together, like the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge.

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