#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-03-26

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[0:03] <davr0s> red9 i've no idea but dont computers these days really access DRAM by copying cache lines in and out..burst transfers etc
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[0:50] <red9> davr0s, sure but those cache bits got to pass through a data bus to the memory. Which have a finite width.
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[0:53] <davr0s> yes
[0:54] <davr0s> but the point i ws reallymaking is the 'bit-ness'isnt really the granularity of dam access.
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[4:05] <RustyShackleford> can I create the raspbian image with like, dd instead?
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[4:16] <leftyfb> RustyShackleford: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[4:17] <RustyShackleford> do I have persistant storage on the sd card?
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[4:51] <BoomerET> Anyone have an idea of how I could use an rpi2 to send me an email if it can't ping a device on the network? Nagios seems like overkill. Maybe a simple cron job running a bash script that sends an email if the packet loss is 100%?
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[4:54] <BoomerET> Looks like exim4 will do the trick, send me an email through gmail.
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[5:19] <d0rm0us3> sendmail?
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[6:25] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[6:25] <ShapeShifter499> I have one of those usb to ttl adapters. Can I use this to debug the boot from my Pi Zero?
[6:28] <ShapeShifter499> I cannot seem to figure out what speed I connect with or what parameters to use
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[6:35] <Freshenstein> Is there anyway to use noobs or similar software to install 2 OSes (Raspbian and OSMC) without internet?
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[7:27] <mlelstv> the firmware configures the serial port to 115200 baud.
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[8:45] <alkisg> Does noobs update itself to newer versions somehow? Or is it a manual process?
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[8:47] <shiftplusone> alkisg: NOOBS unfortunately doesn't update itself.
[8:48] <alkisg> shiftplusone: thank you very much
[8:49] <shiftplusone> You can update it by copying the new files over the old ones EXCEPT recovery.cmdline
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[8:49] <shiftplusone> or at least remove 'runinstaller' from recovery.cmdline after the copy
[8:50] <shiftplusone> Unless you have a very old version of NOOBS, in which case even that will break everything.
[8:50] <shiftplusone> There's a NOOBS fork called PINN, which adds some features like a self-update mechanism
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[8:54] <alkisg> Thanks, I just tried the "install to usb disk" option of noobs, let's see..
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[8:55] <alkisg> (I was mainly wondering if I should be selecting berryboot or noobs for multiple distro installs; noobs felt like a more upstream choice...)
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[9:12] <alkisg> Meh, I installed 2 OSes with noobs, raspbian and libreelec, only the second one boots :D
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[10:38] <ShorTie> noobs is not for "multiple distro installs", it's for schools and quick reseting of the os
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[10:45] <shiftplusone> but also for multiple distro installs
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[11:11] <StCyr1> hello, is there an omxplayer developer here that has some time to help me?
[11:12] <shiftplusone> I think there's only one omxplayer developer and he doesn't hang out on IRC.
[11:12] <StCyr1> I'm troubleshooting https://github.com/popcornmix/omxplayer/issues/617
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[11:12] <StCyr1> shiftplusone: you mean popcornmix?
[11:13] <shiftplusone> yes
[11:13] <StCyr1> shiftplusone: any idea what's the best way to communicate with him?
[11:13] <shiftplusone> github
[11:14] <StCyr1> :-p
[11:14] <alkisg> I used noobs lite to install raspbian in a usb disk, and it keeps waiting for the root device to become available. Is some module missing or not autoloaded? LibreElec works fine in the same setup.
[11:15] <shiftplusone> alkisg: I'll see if I have the same issue. Are you using an SD card at all, or is it 100% on USB?
[11:15] <alkisg> shiftplusone: I've put noobs in an sd card. Using rpi2.
[11:15] <alkisg> Thanks!
[11:15] <shiftplusone> can you check what cmdline.txt looks like on raspbian's boot partition?
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[11:18] <alkisg> shiftplusone: it was using PARTUUID=xxx, and I also tried replacing it with root=/dev/sda6, and I saw "waiting for /dev/sda6 to become available", but it doesn't appear to become available. I'll type the whole cmdline in a couple of minutes...
[11:19] <shiftplusone> was the PARTUUID correct?
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[11:25] <alkisg> cmdline.txt: dwc_otg.ldm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=05c038e8-06 rootfstype=ext4 eleveator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles
[11:25] <alkisg> How do i see the actual partuuid?
[11:26] <alkisg> lsblk --fs and parted -l don't show it
[11:27] <BurtyB> alkisg, "blkid" should show it
[11:28] <shiftplusone> throwing a sudo in there might persuade it to be more verbose
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[11:28] <shiftplusone> booted just fine for me
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[11:46] <purplex88> what are IOT sensors used for raspberry pi?
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> IOT is a meme. it's a way for the vulnerable to lose money to those who want to sell you things.
[11:55] <alkisg> BurtyB: thanks, blkid showed the PARTUUID and it was correct. I think there's a missing module involved; I'm currently reinstalling rasbpian AND libreelec, and I'll try to boot raspbian using the libreelec kernel, for starters... :/
[11:55] <alkisg> shiftplusone: you installed raspbian to usb using noobs lite in an sd card, and it booted fine?
[11:56] <shiftplusone> alkisg: correct
[11:56] <shiftplusone> the raspbian kernel should have everything it needs compiled in already
[11:57] <purplex88> So are all these sensors: https://www.thingbits.net/t/categories/sensors IOT?
[11:57] <alkisg> shiftplusone: afaik no initramfs is used, so no way to get a shell, right?
[11:57] <Lartza> purplex88, No?
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[11:57] <alkisg> shiftplusone: ah, except, if I boot using the libreelec kernel, then run update-initramfs -c for the raspbian kernel, and finally boot into raspbian using an initramfs...
[11:57] <shiftplusone> alkisg: correct
[11:58] <Lartza> purplex88, Maybe read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_things ?
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[11:58] <shiftplusone> well... not sure that initramfs and booting using libreelec kernel will be that straight forward.
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[11:59] <shiftplusone> what's the md5sum of kernel*.img you've got for raspbian, if you haven't copied over it.
[12:00] <purplex88> it doesn't say a list of sensors..
[12:00] <alkisg> shiftplusone: I'm reinstalling using noobs currently so afaik it already reformatted (too bad it can't keep an existing os when installing a new one), but since it's in the usb disk, I can't think it got corrupted... it was a brand clean install using noobs again
[12:00] <alkisg> And the kernel messages were fine except for not seeing sda...
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[12:01] <Lartza> purplex88, ?
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> purplex88, IoT is something you make up as you go along. You either buy a "solution" or you make it yourself. What do you want to sense?
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[12:23] <purplex88> what does iot sense? lol
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[12:24] <purplex88> if i'm right iot means every "thing" including my chair, my desk, my cup, my pen connected to internet
[12:24] <Lartza> You are not right
[12:24] <Lartza> This is why your questions aren't making sense
[12:24] <purplex88> ah
[12:25] <Lartza> Or I mean, if your chair is connected to the internet it is an IoT device yes
[12:25] <Lartza> But your original questions, or the term IoT sensor make no real sense
[12:25] <purplex88> why can't my desk have internet?
[12:26] <Lartza> It could, but it doesn't though?
[12:26] <purplex88> just as chair
[12:28] <mfa298> IOT (like Cloud) is mostly a sales/marketing persons dream, if they can wrangle those terms into the sales pitch they can add zeros to the end of the total price.
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> there is a general "IoT" idea that a "Thing" will talk to some central "cloud" server and either use that server to store data that others can then access, or use that server as a conduit back to itself - so that others can access the thing via the "cloud" server.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> cloud is another word for "someone elses server".
[12:31] <shiftplusone> and that someone probably collects all information about who you are and what you do and sells it on.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> so you buy an IoT thermostat. Wire it into your central heating system and it then talks to someone elses server via your internet connection. Then you buy the "app" that runs on your phone - which also talks to the same cloud server and can pass a message back to the thermostat to say "set temperature to 20�C".
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> then the power company comes along and also talks to your thermostat and tells it to turn the temperature down so they can generate less energy and put their prices up.
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> everyone wins, except you, the consumer who pays more and gets less.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, facebook have already done that...
[12:33] <Lartza> Set thermostat to 23C, your phone shows you an ad for new socks :P
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> or, more likely, an ad for some new tripical plants to buy ...
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> *tropical.
[12:34] <Lartza> Why not both
[12:34] <Lartza> It's for your convenience!
[12:34] <shiftplusone> never signed up for a facebook account, but I'm sure amazon and google know everything they could possibly want about me and are sharing that information with advertisers and dodgy financial institutions
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> actually, google doesn't share anything. big misconception that with google.
[12:34] <Lartza> shiftplusone, Google doesn't need to share, it just sells the adspace
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> right - it uses the information to target ads to you.
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[12:35] <Lartza> For "people interested with thermostats"
[12:35] <Lartza> *in
[12:35] <shiftplusone> I'm sure I've seen stuff in their privacy controls about sharing data, but I may have just assumed that they do
[12:36] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: hmmm, do they actually not share information with those advertisers? (beyond the minimum required to actually display the ads)
[12:36] <shiftplusone> Wanted to play with the AIY stuff, but to enable that functionality, you basically have to turn off all privacy controls =/
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[12:38] <Lartza> BCMM, Why is any info required to show ads?
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, I'm not 100% sure, but from what I gather, they don't share. They want advertisers to tell them who their advert is relevant to,then google does the match.
[12:38] <Lartza> Google is the one that hold the adspace too due to AdSense
[12:38] <shiftplusone> I was surprised how quickly I started getting marketing calls from people who knew my name and some of my bank details after arriving in UK. It was either giffgaff or HSBC that sold the information, because I don't think I was registered with anything else at that point =/
[12:38] <Lartza> So it would hurt them to give data about you
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> google knows where you are, what you do, what you buy, when you sleep, and what you eat and wear. they're good at the match bit.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, uk.gov sold the data :)
[12:39] <BCMM> i get *so* many scam calls because of TalkTalk
[12:40] <BCMM> not even deliberately selling information, just collecting it and then having no security to speak of
[12:40] <shiftplusone> at least they stopped calling when I started asking them to hold and leaving the phone in the drawer.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I signed up the the telephone preferance server, also made my landline opt-out of the phone directory from day one. Also I tick the privacy boxes on the electoral role.
[12:40] <BCMM> TPS doesn't work to stop the calls, but it *does* at least mean that all the calls you get are definitely scammers
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I get virtually no scam calls on my landline and less to my mobile.
[12:41] <BCMM> so you can be as rude as you like to them
[12:41] <mfa298> if you have your own email domain (and the mail server allows) signing up with companyname@myemail.domain can be useful - you get to see who's had their data compromised (or has sold it on)
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> I use name+tracker@drogon.net
[12:42] <Lartza> just sign up with youremail+evilcomany@domain.com
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> however the clever spammers now know this trick and remove stuff after the +
[12:42] <Lartza> works with any provider
[12:43] <BCMM> yeah using + basically doesn't work, because that's what gmail does
[12:43] <mfa298> I think some email servers strip the +company as well, or don't deliver it you. I have tried that in the past as well.
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[12:43] <BCMM> Lartza: doesn't work with every provider, just a de-facto standard because gmail
[12:43] <BCMM> bug that turned in to a feature iirc
[12:44] <Lartza> Hmm
[12:44] <BCMM> anyway, no longer useful because anybody with actual malicious intent knows to remove it
[12:44] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure the + standard is in an RFC, but not every mail servers allows it.
[12:45] <BCMM> re: doing companyname@mydomain.com - i've never actually run a catchall setup like that; doesn't it get flooded with spam to commonfirstname@mydomain.com type stuff?
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> it's trivial for me to generate random email addresses though - but I run my own server.
[12:46] <Lartza> I may have a limit because G Suite :(
[12:46] <Lartza> On the plus side, I don't have to admin mail :P
[12:46] * BurtyB uses a custom mail server to create random 16 char emails for each new destination
[12:46] <mfa298> BCMM: not much, although I use that against a subdomain rather than the main domain which might help.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> one thing was very surprised at recently - I registered a new domain name and within minutes I started to get phone calls to the number I used in the registration from people trying to sell me websites, photo editing, SEO services and so on.
[12:47] <BCMM> mfa298: oh that's a good point - cut out the whois scrapers at least
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> so even though the names & email is hidden inthe public whois, TUCOWS are selling the data off.
[12:47] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, that maybe a thing of the past once whois is becomes useless :(
[12:47] * mfa298 also has own mail server, and currently lists the likes of last.fm@ adobe.com@ and a few other big names in the 550 spammers list (people who've lost their databases at some point)
[12:50] <shoogz> well i've finally decided my first project for my rpi i've had for almost a year now. yippee
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> shoogz, care to share?
[12:50] <shoogz> no more just blasting it wtih raspbian lite, doing full updates, change the source list and repeat
[12:50] <shoogz> going to use it as a sms gateway
[12:50] <shoogz> i am attached to my mobilenumber
[12:50] <shoogz> but travelling foor 7 months
[12:51] <shoogz> rpi with a usb dongle, web panel to view/send sms, auto voicemail to specify my email address or send a text
[12:51] <shoogz> maybe look at a small battery pack for power backup + its got gsm so can use data/4g failover
[12:51] <shoogz> (this iis if i can configure that)
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[12:52] <shoogz> its more a linux/learning than rpi project
[12:52] <shoogz> just rpi is being utilised
[12:52] <shoogz> might look at pushbullet/pushover/telegram/slack etc notifications as an addition
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> sounds interesting.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> I've used linux systems to send/get TXTs in the past - there is the smstools package for that.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> you'll need a 2/3/4g dongle and a SIM card.
[13:00] <shoogz> i've got a sierra 320u
[13:01] <shoogz> and a 4g lte sim with service
[13:01] <shoogz> i think its ap retty simple install a gateway like kennel/gammu, install playsms and open the right ports
[13:01] <shoogz> but then add some features tbh
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[14:55] <CRImier> https://blog.doismellburning.co.uk/burnt-pi-exciting-spontaneous-hardware-failure/
[14:55] <CRImier> Hmm, I guess that can happen with any device
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[14:55] <CRImier> I've fried one Zero once, but that was after shorting 5V to USB data lines
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> usb runs at 5v, so that seems a bit odd.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> also, run Pi's in cases - asking for trouble running them out of a case/box. who knows what happened there.
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[15:14] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, the data lines aren't 5v tho
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> aren't they? Hm. I know they usually hav 47Ω resistors in series...
[15:18] <Habbie> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/190592/why-does-usb-have-vcc-5v-and-high-3-3v has some nice words and pictures
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I've just read the spec. differential signaling too. another thing I never knew until now.
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[15:21] <BurtyB> yeah "mostly" differential aiui
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> wonder why I've seen designs with series resistors then.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> oh well - something to wory about another day.
[15:23] <lopta> What's mostly differential?
[15:24] <Habbie> lopta, usb data was the topic
[15:26] <lopta> Ah, okAh, that's differenciAh, that makes sense.
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[15:27] <lopta> Ugh.
[15:28] <lopta> Sorry about that. My Pi is lagging because of some network traffic
[15:28] <lopta> (network and disk)
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[16:24] <davr0s> before i google, anyone know if it's possible to use bash to test if a monitor and/or keyboard is connected to an r-pi
[16:25] <davr0s> (infact a camera aswell. What I have in mind is using a start-up script to automatically start recording video if the pi was booted with a camera+ no keyboard/monitor, or conversely boot as normal (and into the gui) if everything else was connected
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[16:26] <davr0s> i suppose i could even choose gui or not depending on if you started up with a mouse attached
[16:27] <Rickta59> lsusb would show you devices that are plugged in davr0s
[16:27] <Rickta59> * for keyboard/mouse
[16:28] <davr0s> hmm so a 'lsusb | grep ...' could be tested , i guess
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[16:28] <Rickta59> maybe
[16:29] <davr0s> that would be better than nothing.
[16:29] <davr0s> the icing on the cake would be the monitor test, then i could automatically boot in more potentially useful ways
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[16:29] <Rickta59> might be able to glean that from the syslog
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[16:32] <Rickta59> google seems to have the answer
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[16:32] <Rickta59> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18292
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[16:34] <Rickta59> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/46153/detect-hdmi-and-start-gui
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[16:34] <davr0s> ok i figure it can't be such an unusual idea
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[17:41] <CountryNerd> because arduino helped me do this (also first youtube ever, so be kind).  as simple as it was, proud of myself  https://youtu.be/gM8Epym9rs0
[17:42] <CountryNerd> but lunch time over have to run.
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> CountryNerd, er, very interesting.
[17:50] <CountryNerd> is my test bench to make autonomous
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I think that if I had a lawn that big, I'd just pay someone, however looks like fun ...
[17:51] <CountryNerd> funny part is i pay my father already to cut it
[17:52] <CountryNerd> this is just hobby fun, need a project so can be nerdy with
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[17:52] <CountryNerd> sad part is at 46 inch cut takes me 5 hours
[17:53] <CountryNerd> that to many beers, i fall over
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[18:26] <bioa10> Hello again
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[18:27] <bioa10> So, question about case fan stuff. So I have a 12V case fan that has 3 pins, how would I connect it to the GPIO pins?
[18:28] <CountryNerd> you want to PWM or just ON verse OFF
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[18:30] <CountryNerd> in other words Duty Cycle
[18:31] <bioa10> CountryNerd: Was that reply for me? If so then I have no idea what you mean :P
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[18:33] <Lartza> bioa10, What do you want to do with the GPIO?
[18:33] <bioa10> Connect a case fan
[18:33] <bioa10> But it has 3 pins
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[18:34] <Lartza> Most fans do, some have four
[18:35] <Lartza> The question is, do you want to just turn it on and off or drive the speed...
[18:36] <bioa10> Yeah, so which pins do I plug it into on the Pi? both 5V and ground?
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> a 12v fan is going to run very slowly, if at all on 5v.
[18:36] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[18:36] <CountryNerd> first google link: https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/motherboards/motherboard-cpu-3-pin-fan-connector/
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> best to firstly work out if you actually need the fan in the first place. most users won't.
[18:37] <CountryNerd> 1 GND black
[18:37] <CountryNerd> 2 +12VDC or +5VDC red
[18:37] <CountryNerd> 3 Tachometric Signal yellow
[18:37] <CountryNerd> 3 would be for PWM duty cycle, if wants 100% TIE TO VDC
[18:37] <ShapeShifter499> I just flashed rasbian lite via 'dd' onto a sd card for use in my pi zero. Should I resize the rootfs to take up the leftover free space?
[18:37] <ShapeShifter499> or is there some sort of automation that will do that for me on first boot?
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, just boot it- it'll resize on its own.
[18:38] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: ah cool
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> so the first boot will take a little longer - handy to watch if yo have hdmi screen.
[18:38] <ShapeShifter499> maybe I missed it.. but I don't see anything mentioned about it on https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[18:38] <CountryNerd> @gordonDrogon is nice how they do that for us
[18:39] <ShapeShifter499> about the auto resize feature
[18:39] <bioa10> gordonDrogon: I am putting two Pis into a PC case and then overclocking both
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> bioa10, whatever. but it's a 12v fan. it might not work at 5v.
[18:39] <CountryNerd> @bio10 i think this is wrong channel for PC stuff is raspberrypi related
[18:40] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: should I refrain from adding customization to the cmdline and config files before first boot then? I was going to enable ethernet gadget mode
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, personally I'd boot it and get it going before fiddling.
[18:40] <bioa10> CountryNerd: This is the RPi channel right?
[18:40] <ShapeShifter499> I'll be flying blind then
[18:40] <BurtyB> ShapeShifter499, if you add them before it says "quiet init=..." then it should be OK iirc
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, no wi-fi?
[18:40] <ShapeShifter499> I have the non wifi model
[18:41] <ShapeShifter499> BurtyB: but I'm talking about first boot
[18:41] <ShapeShifter499> I read about using a ttl adapter for some debug but I didn't get any output when I connected mine
[18:42] <bioa10> So I think I read somewhere online that for a 12V 3 pin fan to just plug two of the pins to 5V GPIO and the third to ground
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[18:46] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: do you know how I should be connecting a usb to ttl adapter?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, for serial console type stuff? I'd look at the one you have and follow the instructions, however bear in-mind tha the Pi's serial port is 3.3v not TTL 5v
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> does that mean the power of the TX and RX?
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> or the actual power pins?
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> voltage not power. the Pi's Tx pin will go from 0v to 3.3v and the Rx pin expects no more than 3.3v
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> ya know I actually don't know the voltage of the data pins
[18:51] <stiv> gordonDrogon, that's an interesting fact.
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> I did use it successfully with a pogoplug but that's all I know
[18:51] <CountryNerd> most 5v pin will activate over 2.5 volts so can still be used with 3.3v
[18:52] <ShapeShifter499> it has a 5v pin, 3.3v pin, tx pin, rx pin, and ground
[18:53] <ShapeShifter499> I connected only the tx, rx, and ground. I tried "screen /dev/ttyUSB0" but I saw nothing
[18:53] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - is there anything in the 'spidev' driver that runs the SPI transaction ASYNCHRONOUSLY? Just curious if you know.
[18:53] <ShapeShifter499> tx from the adapter to the rx on the pi and rx to tx
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[18:54] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - because I'm not convinced that when the ioctl returns, the transaction has actually been sent on the SPI hardware...
[18:54] <shbrngdo> even though you'd think it is supposed to be that way
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I've never investigated, however I know that if you do back to back ioctls it does block.
[18:55] <shbrngdo> ok - that's good to know [it's not THAT then].
[18:55] <shbrngdo> I read somewhere that the older Raspbian's SPI driver was broken. I didn't want to "up" grade that particular SD image to somethign that had systemd on it
[18:56] <shbrngdo> but if the older SPI driver is the problem, then it's why bit-banging works, but using the IOCTL through spidev doesn't
[18:56] <shbrngdo> strangely though I got the bit patterns to work with LEDs, so ?
[18:56] <ShapeShifter499> serial on the Pi does provide boot output and a terminal like login right?
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> I've never had an issue with the SPI, however I don't upgrade very often, so it's possible I missed a time when there wa a broken kernel (and I've never bit-banged SPI - always used the kernel driver)
[18:57] <akk> How old is the SPI problem? I'm curious because I've had problems with SPI where bit-banging worked fine, on raspbian from a few months ago.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, console output yes - never sure about login. I think so.
[18:57] <akk> But I never found much when I googled for other people talking about SPI problems.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> have to say I've not used SPI on a Pi for some time though.
[18:57] <larsks> ShapeShifter499: it depends on how your distribution is configured. THat's true for Rasbpian, at least.
[18:57] <shbrngdo> back when I got the image (a couple of years or so ago) I used it for several devices. because I'd read (back then) the SPI driver was broken, I bit-banged an SPI-like signal to a shift register (on that platform)
[18:58] <shbrngdo> now I'm using a similarly dated image using ioctls, similar to what's in wiringPi
[18:58] <ShapeShifter499> larsks: oh ok, I was using arch linux arm
[18:58] <shbrngdo> anyway I'll have to rule that out, maybe use spigen on the freebsd image to confirm it's not my coee
[18:58] <ShapeShifter499> I'm switching to rasbian because I cannot figure out why the heck ethernet gadget mode doesn't grab any IP
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[18:59] <ShapeShifter499> I cannot ssh into arch linux arm on a Pi Zero with ethernet gadget mode
[18:59] <r3> gordonDrogon: continuing from our previous discussion, I wanted to show you what I finished building yesterday: https://rc2014.co.uk/modules/pi-zero-serial-terminal/ ... I thought it was a novel solution enabling the use of an HDMI monitor and USB keyboard for that kit.
[19:00] <shbrngdo> akk - this was 2-3 years ago when I did the images. I forget exactly when
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[19:01] <shbrngdo> I think it was Raspbian wheezy
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[19:01] <shbrngdo> here's the uname on that image: "Linux pi1 3.18.7+ #755 PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:14:31 GMT 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux"
[19:02] <shbrngdo> so 3 years ago then
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> r3, great stuff...
[19:02] <shbrngdo> I like that image because bluez works with legacy bluetooth adaptors, whereas the newer bluez has a crash due to a page fault [yes, page fault]
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[19:03] <akk> With more recent raspbian images, non-bit-banging SPI seems to be inconsistent. It works for some things, not for others.
[19:04] <shbrngdo> thanks for THAT info. I'll proceed on that basis, maybe a driver problem that i hae to work around
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[19:04] <shbrngdo> so what I did is connect LEDs to the shift reg output and run a 'chaser' test that blinks one bit at a time by sending 80H, 40H, etc. with a delay. that works.
[19:05] <r3> gordonDrogon: I wasn't familiar with the "bare metal ANSI terminal" that runs on the Pi: https://github.com/fbergama/pigfx ... I would love to be able to figure out how to make changes to it and compile a new 'kernel.img' so I can look for and fix a minor bug, but the process of doing that escapes me (I need to find a tutorial or something, I'm just not that much of a coder)
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[19:08] <shbrngdo> the device I'm trying to control (an LCD) has some specific timing requirements, though. You send 4 bits of data, and toggle a pin. The shift register has the command/data bit, the toggle, and the 4 bits of data fed by SPI. The pin toggle has to be "long enough" [delays didn't help there]. And it works when bit-banging.
[19:09] <shbrngdo> since the 'chaser' works, I was thinking SPI was working, and maybe the timing was off [causing pulses to be too fast or something]
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I've only once talked SPI to an LCD - some 320x200 thing. it worked a treat.
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> the standard hitachi ones are the only other ones I've used and they're not spi.
[19:09] <shbrngdo> this is something I built, actually. it's a circuit design I use in several things.
[19:10] <shbrngdo> you use a single shift register and 2 resistors plus the LCD display
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[19:10] <shbrngdo> it does 3.3v to 5v conversion inherently
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I've driven '595 SRs in the past, but not via SPI.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> that's a 'standard' wiringPi driver...
[19:13] <shbrngdo> I've actually got a photo of one of the devices (there's an RPi model 2 underneath it, running the show): http://mrp3.com/boardformula_bed_of_nails1.jpg
[19:14] <shbrngdo> if you wire up a shift register correctly, mode 0 SPI _should_ work with it. or, it has in the past when I've done it with Arduinos (and bit-banged on the RPi)
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> I had a client who wanted a few dozen wired up to a Pi. my driver allows for 4 daisy-chained.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> just one of those things.
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[19:16] <shbrngdo> yeah the wiringPi driver is fine from what I can see [I may port it over to FreeBSD for ya once I get the SPI interface done].
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[19:17] <shbrngdo> but like a lot of libs it's a wrapper, and I usually like doing the low-level code myself
[19:17] <shbrngdo> still it makes a great sample for doing the low level code
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> part of why I did it that way was so I could move a lot of my arduino code and partly to get something easy for existing arduino users.
[19:18] <shbrngdo> it's all good
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> personally, I can't stand register |= 1<< bit stuff myself
[19:18] <shbrngdo> Arduino has a lot of built-in support stuff for peripherals, which was lacking on RPi
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> computers are supposed to make my life easy (or so they told me 40 years ago)
[19:19] <shbrngdo> well, I live in the realm of register bit manipulation most of the time. I'm an old-schooler who used to code 6500 assembler as numbers, even... for C64s
[19:20] <shbrngdo> the entire op code set fit on one sheet of paper, so it was easy to look them up and type in the number
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[19:21] <shbrngdo> but yeah figures if I'm writing kernel drivers, right? it takes that kind of 'bit level' familiarity to talk to hardware [or design the hardware, for that matter]
[19:21] <shbrngdo> it's nice that RPi gives you THAT and 'simple for newbies' at the same time
[19:21] <shbrngdo> Arduino also
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> I still code 6502 today.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> my 6502 system has digitalWrite() functions for the VIAs...
[19:22] <shbrngdo> oh did I say 6500? i meant 6502 - I was confusing 6800
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[19:23] * gordonDrogon knew what you meant when you said c64 :)
[19:23] <shbrngdo> yeah, stupid little details from 30+ years ago.
[19:23] <shbrngdo> I had to switch to a platform that I could earn money with
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I earned a little on my BBC Micro, but real work got in the way...
[19:24] <shbrngdo> designing language extensions for BASIC on a C64 is fine, and I had some really good ones, but it doesn't pay the rent
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> right. enough computing. bakery paperwork now. got a food hygiene inspection tomorrow...
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[19:28] <inook> so im trying to mount a samba shared folder to my retropies roms folder.... an anyone help me? im currently connected to the server with the files but dont know how to put the folders to path
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[19:47] <pwillard> that's a very vague issue.
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[19:57] * shbrngdo scrollback a bit - bakery? everybody eats, so yeah!
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[19:58] <shbrngdo> inook - there's an smb file system that you can mount, if you have the right drivers for it. not sure what packages you have installed, though.
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[19:58] <inook> shbrngdo woot?
[19:59] <inook> i have mounted the share
[19:59] <inook> im trying to link it into a folder
[19:59] <inook> ive mounted roms for emulator and i want to link the roms into thee emulators roms folder
[20:00] <inook> tried using 'link' but cant get iot to work
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[20:03] <shbrngdo> 'ln' maybe? (man ln)
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[20:03] <shbrngdo> also symlinks might not work properly if you create them on the samba share and it's a windows system
[20:05] <inook> shbrngdo the server is an Raspberry Pi 3 running nextcloud img and client is Raspberry Pi running retropie
[20:06] <shbrngdo> I'm not really familiar with 'nextcloud' or 'retropie' so I'll just have to assume they're both based on Linux?
[20:06] <inook> yes
[20:06] <inook> debian based
[20:07] <shbrngdo> ok then you shoudl be able to use 'ln -s' to create a symlink to something in the mounted directory, or within the mounted directory
[20:08] <inook> smb: \n64\> ln -s
[20:08] <inook> ln: command not found
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[20:09] <shbrngdo> try specifying /bin/ln - your PATH may be screwy
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[20:10] <shbrngdo> or are you running smbclient at the moment? If that's the case, use '!' for system commands
[20:10] <shbrngdo> smbclient is not the same as mounting smbfs
[20:10] <shbrngdo> in fact, if you're running smbclient, that would explain a whole lot
[20:11] <shbrngdo> I thought you'd mounted it with 'smbmount'
[20:11] <shbrngdo> a mount is not the same as running smbclient
[20:11] <inook> smbclient is what im usiin
[20:11] <inook> g
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[20:11] <shbrngdo> ok - you can't create symlinks to things on your compuer using smbclient, nor can you symlink to what you're looking at via smbclient
[20:12] <shbrngdo> you have to mount it like a disk device or an NFS share, using something like 'smbmount' - then it becomes part of the Linux file system
[20:12] <shbrngdo> after you do that, you can create symlinks
[20:13] <inook> shbrngdo ive created a link but its a file thats getting created not a path for the folder
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[20:14] <shbrngdo> well, if you did this with smbclient I don't know what it is you created, but it's probably NOT a symlink for use by the Linux file system. maybe it is, maybe it isn't. explaining more than this is beyond my desire to assist you. perhaps it's time to 'man mount' 'man ln' etc.
[20:15] <inook> smb: \> ! ln -s 192.168.1.28/roms /home/pi/RetroPie/roms
[20:15] <shbrngdo> and that link I sent you - https://www.linuxnix.com/8-ways-to-mount-smbfs-samba-file-system-in-linux/ <-- that explains some stuff
[20:16] <shbrngdo> FYI - I don't believe that Linux will understand the IP address in your symlink. It'll probably look for a file with that name
[20:16] <inook> ok so how should i d then? using a dns?
[20:17] <Habbie> it's not about name vs ip
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[20:17] <Habbie> it's about mounting
[20:17] <Habbie> as shbrngdo said
[20:17] <shbrngdo> well, I think it's time to do some reading up on how mounting works. 'man mount' is a good start
[20:18] <shbrngdo> again, smbclient is like an ftp client, not part of the file system. so you can't symlink to something NOT part of the file system. you can mount things into the file system, however.
[20:18] <shbrngdo> anyway it's RTFM time now.
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[20:27] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - I figured it out - I had the E0 pin (not E1) plugged in for the enable, but strangely it was being affected by the activity on E1, which is a little disturbing. Might mean it needs pulldown resistors on the enable line because of noise or ?
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[20:47] <CountryNerd> or set the pins as output and set to low for un used pins... however i just make sure connect to right pin else is floating
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> if using SPI, don't change the modes - the kernel driver sets the correct modes.
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> CountryNerd, more pins on the Pi have internal pull up/downs pre-set at power on time. it's hard to actually leave a pin floating.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> *most. probably all.
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[21:02] <CountryNerd> PI sorry i jump from arduino to this thread and crossed my thought pattern
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[21:08] <maarhart`> I'm trying to run a2enmod but it doesn't find it
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> you have to install it. sudo apt-get install apache
[21:12] <tvm> apt-get install apache2 actually, iirc
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[21:36] <m1dnight_> Hey guys, I'm installing a bunch of pis behind a NAT and I'm setting up a mirror.
[21:36] <m1dnight_> But i'm kind of stumped on how to actually set it up. I rsynced the data from the archive mirror, and I installed apache2
[21:37] <m1dnight_> I can open it from outside of the network etc. So apache2 is serving the files on http://ip/
[21:37] <m1dnight_> On the pis themselves all I did was change the file in /etc/apt/sources.list and that's it
[21:37] <m1dnight_> is that about all I need to do?
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[21:39] <m1dnight_> In all honesty, I don't see any trace of connection in my apahce logs either
[21:40] <Habbie> skimming your question, that should do it
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[21:43] <m1dnight_> Weird. I must be missing a "semicolon" somewhere or something.
[21:43] <m1dnight_> (I mean something stupid I must have missed)
[21:43] <Habbie> if you type apt-get update on the client Pis
[21:43] <Habbie> do they show your URL?
[21:44] <m1dnight_> no they just show 0%..
[21:44] <Habbie> relevant info
[21:44] <Habbie> does curl work for those URLs, on the Pis?
[21:44] <m1dnight_> yep, that does
[21:44] <m1dnight_> it did show a redirect error when I forgot a slash at the end of the repo url in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:44] <m1dnight_> but I fixed that
[21:44] <m1dnight_> $ cat sources.list
[21:44] <m1dnight_> deb http://192.168.1.200/raspbian/ stretch main contrib
[21:45] <m1dnight_> Thats it..
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[21:52] <mfa298> m1dnight_: if this is just to speed up installing of apt packages locally you might do better with one of the caching programs instead of mirroring the whole repo, from memory aptcacher-ng is fairly easy to use, I use squid-deb-proxy which also isn't too bad (but might need a bit of extra config)
[21:53] <mfa298> for those you add a cache config into the clients and leave sources alone, the first pi to download an update will cause the cache to download it from the internet, and the the next pi's to update will get it from the cache
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[21:56] <m1dnight_> mfa298: I started out with that, but I have a cluster of 160 Pi's behind Nat, so I got notice for ddos before. I think I really need a full report.
[21:56] <m1dnight_> Repo*
[21:56] <m1dnight_> Each pi still fetches the repo description or w/e its called
[21:57] <mfa298> if the proxy is setup correctly you should only get one download per package from the cache server.
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[21:58] <mfa298> mirroring the whole repo will mean you've got to regularly keep it updated and you'll be downloading all the packages you don't care about as well
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[22:01] <alkisg> m1dnight_: you have 160 pi's and you don't netboot them from a single image? :D
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[22:02] <m1dnight_> alkisg: the netboot thing doesn't work yet, doesn't it?
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[22:02] <m1dnight_> I have manually flashed all the cards with a little script that already inserts the hostname and stuff like that
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[22:02] <m1dnight_> And you stil have to flash a small image on each SD card too, right?
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[22:03] <alkisg> m1dnight_: of course it works; for rpi3 out of the box, and for rpi2 with only the kernel and firmware locally
[22:03] <mfa298> netboot works on the 3B+ by default and ought to work with the 3B in most cases - no SD needed for that
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[22:04] <alkisg> Putting a kernel in a card is a bit trouble, yes, but updating 160 pis is a lot more trouble, and, having 100 sd card broken every year because they wear out, even more trouble
[22:04] <m1dnight_> they..
[22:04] <m1dnight_> they..
[22:04] <m1dnight_> they break after a YEAR??
[22:04] <mfa298> for anything that's not a 3 you should only need bootcode.bin on the SD
[22:04] <m1dnight_> :|
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[22:05] <m1dnight_> but once they are up and running, there is no point in the netboo anymore, right?
[22:05] <alkisg> mfa298: that part, I didn't manage to do. Did you manage to netboot an rpi2 that way? It gave me a lot of issues and instability.
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[22:05] <alkisg> m1dnight_: imagine: apt update + ltsp-update-image on a server => 5 minutes, vs apt updating 160 rpis
[22:06] <mfa298> alkisg: I've only tried with a 3B+ so far.
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[22:06] <alkisg> I don't think the bootcode.bin method is production ready for rpi2-
[22:06] <mfa298> alkisg: depends on how you set things up, you might have 160 copies of the files on the server (one for each client)
[22:06] <alkisg> Meh, why would one do that?!
[22:07] <alkisg> One of the major benefits of having a server, is to only maintain one installation
[22:07] <mfa298> the bootcode.bin is supposed to work on any model Pi I believe (and is also suggested sometiems on the 3B as it fixes some bugs in the built in firmware)
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[22:08] <alkisg> I tried it about 6 months ago, I barely managed to boot it once, with 2 minutes boot time, and failure to boot 9/10 times
[22:08] <alkisg> Hopefully it got more stable now
[22:08] <m1dnight_> this soudns interesting, im going to try that out tomorrows
[22:08] <alkisg> m1dnight_: google for ltsp
[22:08] <m1dnight_> but to get it clear: the rpi just keeps the entire OS in memory then, or what?
[22:08] <alkisg> m1dnight_: imagine booting a normal pc from a usb disk
[22:09] <m1dnight_> allright
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[22:09] <alkisg> It's the same, but now the disk is a network disk; and with a cow overlay on top of it to become writeable, like a live cd
[22:09] <mfa298> alkisg: if you get more than one pi trying to upadte/install packages on the single shared image you might get issues. Depends on what you're trying to do - you could either modify a single image so that it works readonly for all clients, or have a seperate rw image per device
[22:09] <m1dnight_> but we're going to use this thing for benchmarks. will there be a lot of network overhead?
[22:09] <m1dnight_> i can imagine it fetches required stuff as needed and not "prefetch"?
[22:09] <m1dnight_> interesting stuff, thanks for the pointers guys
[22:10] <alkisg> Yes it fetches as needed, same as when reading from an sd card
[22:10] <mfa298> the standard approach for network boot is to put the rootfs on NFS - so all files are read over the network
[22:10] <alkisg> Linux caches all disk access, so you can just preload whatever's needed by running it once before
[22:10] <mfa298> the other option could be having a minimal OS image in an initramfs
[22:10] <alkisg> mfa298: in ltsp we're defaulting to nbd+squashfs because it's 5 times faster than nfs
[22:11] <alkisg> We support nfs too, but we don't recommend it
[22:11] <alkisg> (and it did have a lot of issues with overlayfs on top of it, but it got better in very recent kernels)
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[22:12] <mfa298> My setup (although only one client) is probably going the other way. I have a base image on the server and then have a clone (using CoW) per client.
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[22:13] <mfa298> the joys of ZFS on an OS that's been good for ZFS and NFS for a long time
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[22:20] <m1dnight_> Allright. But if you don't have an SD card, and you run application x, it has to be kept in memory, because the pi can't page it to.disk?
[22:20] <m1dnight_> Sorry for the difficult questions :)
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[22:27] <mfa298> in most cases you want running applications in memory, swapping to disk (/sd/whatever) will slow thigns down
[22:27] <mfa298> you could probably still have a swapfile on nfs or nbd (in the same way as the swapfile on SD in raspbian)
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[23:11] <darsie> Is there a plain audio line in HDMI?
[23:11] <IT_Sean> define "plain audio"
[23:11] <darsie> unmodulated or digitized
[23:12] <darsie> 1-3 V or so
[23:12] <darsie> Maybe with enough power for a small speaker.
[23:12] <IT_Sean> HDMI is all digital. There isn't an analog audio signal on it.
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[23:13] <darsie> thx
[23:13] <darsie> Is there a plain audio line in the pi3?
[23:13] <IT_Sean> by "plain" do you mean analog?
[23:13] <darsie> mhm
[23:14] <IT_Sean> iirc the 3 B has an analog audio comzouta.
[23:14] <IT_Sean> but doin't quote me on that
[23:14] <darsie> Some headphone level output.
[23:15] <IT_Sean> I just checked for you, and the Pi 3 Model B has an analog out.
[23:15] <IT_Sean> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
[23:15] <IT_Sean> you can see it there.
[23:15] <darsie> right
[23:15] <darsie> thx
[23:15] <IT_Sean> that's a combination video and audio jack
[23:15] <IT_Sean> https://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/102-80899-15-252356/Pi3+Breakout+Feb+29+2016.png
[23:15] <darsie> ah
[23:16] <darsie> But not simultaneously?
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[23:16] <darsie> simultaneously?
[23:16] <IT_Sean> it's a 4 pole port. So, video, audio left, audio right, and ground.
[23:16] <darsie> ok
[23:16] <IT_Sean> you don't need to connect the audio.
[23:16] <darsie> I do ;).
[23:16] <IT_Sean> (not necessarily in that order)
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[23:30] <darsie> mpg123 plays noisily. beep doesn't beep.
[23:30] <darsie> I raspi-config 'force 3.5 mm jack'.
[23:31] <darsie> and rebooted.
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[23:36] <darsie> mpv also plays an mp3 noisily.
[23:37] <red9> Is the noise related to the sound being generated by PWM ?
[23:37] <darsie> maybe
[23:37] <darsie> It's also there if I mute.
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[23:37] <darsie> Then it's clean noise. If there is sound the noise has rhythm.
[23:38] <red9> Seems like EMI..
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[23:39] <GenteelBen> Amazon selling a 200GB SanDisk microSDXC card for £55 in a flash sale: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JY5T7T/
[23:39] <red9> Actually a bit of distance using a wire, some filters for conducted EMI and schmitt trigger at the end might remove some of that.
[23:39] <darsie> It's not there if I stop playback.
[23:39] <red9> darsie, No noise at all when no playback goes on?
[23:40] <darsie> Not relevant for the current use case, but really annoying if I wanted to hear music or movie.
[23:40] <darsie> yep
[23:41] <red9> Any example recording of this noise?
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[23:42] <darsie> I guess I could pipe the pi output into my PC soundcard ...
[23:42] <darsie> maybe later.
[23:43] <CoJaBo> Tried a different PSU?
[23:43] <darsie> no
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[23:43] <red9> I suspect quantization noise due to the PWM method of producing the sound.
[23:47] <red9> Filter schematic: https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
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[23:49] <red9> USB-2-audio: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1475
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[23:52] <darsie> How can I get beep to beep?
[23:52] <darsie> On the audio jack.
[23:52] <red9> (found some pi-zero audio tip here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127712)
[23:53] <darsie> Without arguments it does nothing perceptible and 'beep -e /dev/audio' says ioctl: Invalid argument ioctl: Invalid argument
[23:54] <davr0s> anyone here used a pi0 in usb OTG,
[23:55] <darsie> Can I make audible PWM with GPIO to a piezo speaker? I read I should not drive capacitive loads.
[23:55] <davr0s> the guide i'm seeing says add 'dtovelay=dwc2' to the end of 'config.txt' , but my config.txt already says 'dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d'
[23:55] <Voop> wait what are you trying to do
[23:56] <davr0s> i suspect changing that would lose something, are those overlays combinable? or shall i just replace it
[23:56] <Voop> get audio out of a pi zero? just get a usb dac
[23:57] <red9> Voop, depending on the situation that might not be the bestt option. For a bettery setup ie that might produce extra battery drain.
[23:57] <Voop> for sure. but its a lot easier than getting audio out of gpio
[23:58] <Voop> im not even sure how to do that correctly honestly
[23:59] <davr0s> is it possible with this OTG stuff to get an RPi's flash storage visible on a host PC over USB

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