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IRC Log for 2018-03-27

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[0:02] <shauno> I think the usbboot MSD stuff can do that? (the same process that's used to 'flash' a compute module)
[0:02] <HrdwrBoB> davr0s: to what end?
[0:03] <davr0s> ability to just drag files on and off, whilst it's plugged into the laptop, seems intuitive
[0:03] <davr0s> i gather it can pretend to be connected over ethernet aswell, that obviously seems cool
[0:03] <leftyfb> davr0s: https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget.pdf
[0:04] <red9> nice!
[0:04] <davr0s> I have all these pi's lying around now.. i want as many potential uses as possible
[0:05] <leftyfb> https://hackaday.com/2016/03/25/the-pi-zero-mass-storage-picture-frame/
[0:05] <leftyfb> that would be a good use for the mass storage gadget mode
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[0:06] <davr0s> imagine if it could pretend to be a DisplayLink USB monitor, or imagine if a similar utility could be written for a PC/Mac to use a Raspberry Pi in that way
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[0:07] <shauno> the main catch for usb-storage is that you only want the backing store to be writable from one side at a time. so exposing the whole disk would be a nightmare
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[0:07] <HrdwrBoB> teag'
[0:07] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[0:07] <davr0s> i realise you could sort of get 'desktop extention' using synergy, but being literally an extention of the same desktop would slicker. (i get a lot of problems with synergy from the mac, r.e. it's trackpad gestures and keyboard mapping)
[0:07] <HrdwrBoB> make it a network, use samba.
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[0:08] <davr0s> shauno oh fair enough
[0:08] <davr0s> so it's non-trivial to do
[0:08] <HrdwrBoB> to do what you want, yes
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[0:08] <red9> Add a real CPU like ARM Cortex-M or Attiny with deep sleep mode that works. Then put various Pi's outdoors for measure & phone-home.
[0:08] <shauno> well if the pi can modify the contents, and the laptop can modify the contents, they'll disagree with each other pretty rapidly. which will give you an inconsistent disk state at best
[0:09] <davr0s> i have an RPi-zero-W here, i've got it booting using the changed stuff.. i'm not sure how to determine if i'm really connected over the USB
[0:09] <shauno> you'd want some kind of disk image that's mounted from the pi to the laptop, and then the changes synced back when the host disconnects, or something along those lines. something to prevent them double-dipping
[0:10] <davr0s> (I've ssh'd into it). I can see this 'usb-hack' is more useful for 'pi-zeros' (non W)
[0:10] <leftyfb> shauno: you could make the pi-side mounted read-only
[0:11] <shauno> yeah, but it'll still need something to force it to re-read it. read-only doesn't mean it doesn't get cached
[0:11] <leftyfb> sync in cron?
[0:11] <shauno> (eg, linux lists a folder, laptop writes to that folder, list it from linux again and you'll see no change. not until something purges the disk cache)
[0:12] <davr0s> the original reason i got these pi's was to improvise a stereo(or more)-camera; i've got a suggestion that you could chuck a load of pi0's in the cluster-hat and power one 'normal-pi' to control them all
[0:12] <davr0s> that would enable using a bunch of pi-0 non-W's for each camera.
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[0:13] <davr0s> perhaps pi-0's connected to a master pi's USB ports would be just as easy (save needing the specializeed component)
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[0:14] <shauno> I was curious how that photo frame solved this .. turns out he didn't. https://web.archive.org/web/20170317202646/http://garagetech.tips/pizero-on-digital-frame/
[0:14] <davr0s> oh so he relies on just loading the sd card manually perhaps
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[0:17] <red9> Is there any statistics on which Pi that has the largest userbase?
[0:18] <shauno> there's probably some snazzy udev/systemd-foo you could do to remount the image when the usb detaches
[0:18] <leftyfb> i'm going to guess original PiB+
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[0:18] <Voop> what do you even mean red9
[0:18] <davr0s> i guess the least I can do is just leave these Pi's setup with spare monitors around my desk and just use Synergy.
[0:19] <davr0s> if i could get the network camera streaming working i could use it as a kitchen monitor, avoid burning rice
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[0:26] <mfa298> red9: I think there were some numbers on the forum, something like 19m total pi's sold and (I think) 5m pi3s in the last year
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[0:31] <red9> Voop, How many users have access to a particular Pi model.
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[0:32] <Voop> i would guess one off the main line
[0:32] <Voop> pi 1, 2, 3
[0:32] <red9> Voop, How many users have access to a particular Pi model.UBtw, if a Pi setup in OTG mode. Can one use some USB ports as normal?
[0:32] <red9> oops..
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[0:32] <Voop> which ever one was the best for the longest time
[0:32] <red9> Btw, if a Pi setup in OTG mode. Can one use some USB ports as normal?
[0:32] <Voop> i do not believe so
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[0:33] <red9> My idea was to guess less and have more hard numbers to go by ;)
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[0:33] <mfa298> red9: as above, have a search on the forum, there's a whole thread about numbers (and possibly a graph)
[0:33] <Voop> im going to guess pi1
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[0:34] <red9> Ah.. probably something doing with that the Pi only have one REAL USB port. The rest is a hub.
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[0:34] <mfa298> as for OTG - the only Pi that supports it properly is the Zero as that's the only one with the USB port on the SoC exposed to the end user and no HUB in the way
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[0:35] <BurtyB> you can also do gadgets on the A+
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[0:39] <leftyfb> BurtyB: where do you see that? I just looked at specs from rpi.com, element14 and adafruit and see no mention that the single micro usb doe s OTG
[0:40] <leftyfb> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=172781
[0:41] <red9> I checked out the PWM on the Pi. https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4906/control-hardware-pwm-frequency
[0:42] <BurtyB> leftyfb, on the USB A connector
[0:44] <red9> It seems it uses a base clock of 19.2 MHz and then divides that. A divider with 200 gives 48 kHz. Which will give 1/200 steps of pulse ratio. Now Broadcam uses a "balanced" PWM for the audio it seems. But the general impression is that the scheme is a serious compromise.
[0:44] <red9> Broadcom..
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[0:47] <mfa298> red9: numbers https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=75996
[0:47] <mfa298> which might suggest the Pi3 is the most sold model now
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[0:56] <red9> Sold is the derative. But what would matter if say you wanted to design a model specific extension is the integrated sles volume.
[0:56] <red9> +a
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[1:02] <red9> Goldfish controls Pi which moves the aquarium.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GDgmP1ac_A
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[1:33] <Voop> red9: thats awesome
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[1:57] <darsie> red9: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/pi.wav That's similar to what it sounds. 10 s no output is clean, 10 s low volume with noise, 10 s full volume seems ok, 10 s muted with constant noise. The clicks seem to be reconding errors.
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[1:57] <darsie> recording*
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[2:15] <leftyfb> Anyone know for sure if the latest Ubuntu core images work on the Pi3b+? My testing points to no
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[2:16] <BrewTangClan> I just have to say that ribbon cables are the freaking worst.
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[2:21] <red9> BrewTangClan, why?
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[2:26] <BrewTangClan> I actually might be barking up the wrong tree
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[2:26] <BrewTangClan> I've got the official 7" touchscreen (DSI) and ...it's being a tad uncooperative
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[2:28] <BrewTangClan> Just got the smartipi touch case, set it up with a working 2B, and it worked for a few hours, then couldn't get anything from the display
[2:28] <BrewTangClan> Using the canakit 5v/2.5a USB and the microUSB splitter that came with the smartipi case.
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[2:29] <BrewTangClan> Figured it might have been an issue with the Pi. Just got my 3B+ in. Flashed a known working image, screen is dark
[2:30] <BrewTangClan> wait, maybe I'm just dumb
[2:30] <BrewTangClan> ^(could just leave it at that)
[2:30] <BrewTangClan> am I wrong to think that I should at least see signs of life from the display (backlight?) if it's powered, if the pi doesn't know to talk to the display (DSI enabled, etc.)?
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[2:40] <darsie> red9: Did you listen to my recording?
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[2:40] <BrewTangClan> derp... image is "known good" on a pi 2 B... Guess I get to start from scratch :/
[2:41] <BrewTangClan> Anybody know if there's a relatively easy way to get PHP5 on stretch?
[2:41] <BrewTangClan> And/or if jesse has updates for the 3B+?
[2:42] <BrewTangClan> I'd prefer to use the latest... but I'm using it as a temp control system for my kegerator and the software requires php5
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[2:50] <BrewTangClan> ok... seems it's not the image that's the problem... official raspbian jesse image flashed... still stuck at the rainbow
[2:50] <BrewTangClan> I'll try another SD card..
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[2:53] <BrewTangClan> popped the card from my 2B in there... act LED flashing, nothing via HDMI... that may have been my own doing in setting up the touchscreen
[2:53] <BrewTangClan> Guess I'll break out a new SD and flash the jesse image
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[2:57] <Ellied> Anyone know what the header labeled "PEN" right next to "RUN" is for?
[2:57] <Ellied> on the 3B+, that is
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[3:03] <ShapeShifter499> ok I thought Arch Linux Arm was the issue but now I'm on Rasbian I'm still having the same issue. I cannot ssh in nor get my raspberry pi zero to get a IP address while in ethernet gadget mode. I followed this guide here https://gist.github.com/gbaman/975e2db164b3ca2b51ae11e45e8fd40a
[3:03] <ShapeShifter499> does anyone have any ideas?
[3:04] <leftyfb> ShapeShifter499: your pi is only talking to your pc
[3:05] <leftyfb> ShapeShifter499: if you want it to get an ip via dhcp, you'll need to run a dhcp server on your pc. Or setup a shared connection to the pi interface
[3:05] <leftyfb> !ics | ShapeShifter499
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[3:05] <ShapeShifter499> I did enable "shared to other computers" for the interface that showed up in Network Manager
[3:06] <ShapeShifter499> but the IP I see in "ifconfig" timed out on ssh and scanning for IPs only returned one
[3:06] <ShapeShifter499> nmap -sn 10.42.0.1/24
[3:06] <leftyfb> ShapeShifter499: that ip is the ip of your pc, not the pi
[3:06] <ShapeShifter499> leftyfb: was that suppose to trigger a bot to give a link?
[3:06] <leftyfb> ShapeShifter499: ssh pi@raspberrypi.local
[3:07] <ShapeShifter499> leftyfb: I cannot figure out what IP the Pi Zero gets
[3:07] <ShapeShifter499> leftyfb: ssh: Could not resolve hostname raspberrypi.local: Name or service not known
[3:09] <ShapeShifter499> I did enable ssh by leaving a blank file in /boot of the sd card
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[3:11] <shauno> (fun tip. stick that card in your PC and see if that blank file is still there. it shouldn't be. if it's still there you have an entirely different problem)
[3:12] <ShapeShifter499> ok one sec
[3:12] <BrewTangClan> ok, I'm having the worst luck tonight
[3:12] <leftyfb> I also like to put things into /etc/rc.local to write out info for me. like: ifconfig -a >> /home/pi/ifconfig.log or just peruse through the syslog on the card after booting to see what it tried doing
[3:13] <ShapeShifter499> good idea, I'll set that up after I verify the 'ssh' file
[3:14] <shauno> yeah. this is about the least comprehensive way to see if the boot was successful. but since it only uses /boot it works pretty much everywhere
[3:14] <BrewTangClan> Brand new SD card, just flashed the Jesse image to it with Etcher. Pop it into the brand new Pi 3 B+. Persistent rainbow image. Lightning bolt icon, PWR LED looping 4 slow flashes then 4 fast flashes
[3:14] <BrewTangClan> lightning bolt icon would lead me to believe it's not getting enough power... but it's using a (also brand new) canakit 5v/2.5a power supply
[3:14] <ShapeShifter499> shauno: ssh file is no longer there
[3:21] <BrewTangClan> WTF, do I have a defective pi? Grabbed my 5.25V/2A power supply, same symptoms. rainbow. Lightning bolt. PWR LED 4 slow flashes, 4 fast flashes, solid for 2 seconds
[3:21] <shauno> what have you done to update jessie for the 3b+ ?
[3:22] <BrewTangClan> Nothing. New Pi, new SD, just flashed with the 2017-07-05 jesse image. Can't get first boot
[3:23] <BrewTangClan> Pulled it out of the case. I have USB keyboard, ethernet, HDMI, mUSB connected
[3:23] <shauno> it's not going to work out of the box. not even a month-old Stretch image is gonna work out of the box. if the image is older than the hardware, it's gonna take some work. at the bare minimum, apt-get upgrade & rpi-update
[3:23] <BrewTangClan> :/ php5 is a requirement for the system I'm building
[3:23] <BrewTangClan> and stretch don't play that
[3:25] <BrewTangClan> I guess I can build from source... :/
[3:25] <shauno> you could try popping the card in your 2b and updating from there, then seeing if the resulting card boots on the 3b+. I haven't tried though, so no promises. but simple problem is your OS is 9 months older than the hardware
[3:26] <shauno> or at the very least .. try a Stretch image just to confirm the pi works fine, then work back from there
[3:26] <BrewTangClan> Yeah. Gotta at least start with the latest stretch image
[3:27] <shauno> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/81458/why-am-i-getting-a-rainbow-screen-and-flashing-red-pwr-led-with-a-new-raspberry/81688#81688
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[3:27] <shauno> the accepted answer on this appears to have a lot more detail than I do, but seems logically sound
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[3:28] <BrewTangClan> nice find! thank you
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[3:36] <shauno> I don't know if the changes required are in jessie though. they all seem to be referencing stretch. so I can't promise "simple problem" means "simple solution"
[3:40] <BrewTangClan> sheesh, I've got the worst luck tonight. Now the old pi doesn't want to boot. Guess I'm gonna have to go for the 2018-03-13 stretch image and hope it works
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[3:41] <ShapeShifter499> shauno: leftyfb I see that it does indeed get a IP when checking the log but it is reset to a new one and nmap cannot find the pi from my laptop side
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[3:42] <ShapeShifter499> if I set a static IP on the pi side, can I bridge the connection still in order to get the pi online?
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[3:43] <shauno> it's been easily a decade since I set a static IP, so no idea
[3:44] <shauno> (I don't use ipv4 for this bit at all. too much trouble.)
[3:44] <ShapeShifter499> well I still can't get in,
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[3:47] <wreo> is this the right place to ask Raspian-related questions?
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[3:48] <ShapeShifter499> leftyfb: any other ideas?
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[3:58] <NowhereMan> there is a #raspbian, wreo
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[4:02] <ShorTie> what do you want to know ??
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[4:12] <darsie> Can you make the pi output an audible frequency on the GPIO without bitbanging to drive a piezo speaker? I read you shouldn't drive capacitive loads. Does that apply to piezo speakers?
[4:14] <leftyfb> Not directly, but yes
[4:14] <darsie> IIRC they can do PWM.
[4:14] <darsie> 50% PWM at audible frequency?
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[4:15] <darsie> 1 kHz or so?
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[4:16] <leftyfb> darsie: https://pastebin.com/bqfktF9V
[4:16] <darsie> thx! looks interesting.
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[4:36] <purplex88> how do i show camera in rasp pi?
[4:38] <leftyfb> purplex88: https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/getting-started-with-picamera
[4:38] <leftyfb> purplex88: you should spend more time looking through the documentation. There's lots of it to tell you how to do almost anything on the pi
[4:39] <purplex88> i thought i will just download a camera viewing app
[4:39] <purplex88> but im not programming the camera
[4:39] <purplex88> i want to just view it on raspbian
[4:40] <purplex88> but i guess i will still need to write a .py script
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[4:41] <leftyfb> purplex88: https://www.akeric.com/blog/?p=2437
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[4:42] <leftyfb> purplex88: third result on google for "raspberry pi camera viewer"
[4:42] <purplex88> following https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/getting-started-with-picamera/5
[4:42] <purplex88> seems easy enough
[4:49] <purplex88> PiCamera module not found
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[4:49] <purplex88> they said i should have it by default
[4:49] <leftyfb> purplex88: do you have a pi camera?
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[4:50] <Rblunderbuss> hey, can anyone walk me through what it takes to run a model 3b install on a 3b+?
[4:51] <Rblunderbuss> can I just run rpi-update?
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[4:52] <purplex88> yes i have it
[4:52] <purplex88> hardware?
[4:52] <purplex88> yes
[4:52] <Rblunderbuss> yeah to move an sd card from the older hardware to the newer and have it just work
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[4:53] <Rblunderbuss> except it seems like it shouldn't be that easy sort o f
[4:54] <leftyfb> purplex88: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/camera-module-v2/
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[4:54] <leftyfb> purplex88: one of those?
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[4:54] <Rblunderbuss> oh no, ok let me start over. I am currently running debian/jessie on an RPi3b, but I want to move the SD card to a new 3b+
[4:55] <leftyfb> Rblunderbuss: nobody here has answered you yet
[4:55] <Rblunderbuss> oh I thought purplex was answering me but was confused about what I was asking >.>
[4:55] <Rblunderbuss> my bad
[4:58] <purplex88> leftyfb: yes
[5:01] <purplex88> import error: cannot import name 'PiCamera'
[5:01] <BrewTangClan> update: pi is working... haven't gotten to the part where I test the display
[5:01] <BrewTangClan> update: pi is working... haven't gotten to the part where I test the display
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[5:01] <BrewTangClan> whoops
[5:01] <purplex88> i ran "sudo apt-get install python-picamera python3-picamera"
[5:02] <purplex88> it says i already have newest version 1.13
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[5:14] <purplex88> reinstalled picamera
[5:14] <purplex88> same problem
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[5:30] <purplex88> actually module picamera is found
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[5:30] <purplex88> but the name or function 'PiCamera' is not
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[6:23] <shauno> how are you calling it? this works here; https://pastebin.com/DpJzVW0d
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[6:30] <extor> Are there any sensors that can detect traces of cannabis in the air?
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[6:35] <Xark> extor: Not that I have heard of...
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[6:36] <Xark> Hmmm...http://www.freshairsensor.com/
[6:38] <katnip> how are you doing shauno ? :)
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[7:41] <shbrngdo> extor - my mother's nose - she's allergic to marijuana and so she can detect even the faintest amount
[7:41] <shbrngdo> but you were looking for something electronic, heh
[7:41] * shbrngdo invents "beaglenose"
[7:42] <poolson> not speaking of which
[7:42] <poolson> i need to take a shit
[7:43] <poolson> bbl !
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[8:03] <Wizard> Hi.
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> poolson, there is a difference between family friendly and childish, however... do re-read the channel rules please...
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[8:57] <Wizard> gordonDrogon?
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[9:17] <alkisg> Hi, I started installing 5-6 different OSes in an external USB disk using NOOBS, but I hit a few issues and limitations, so now I'm trying to manually edit its configuration.
[9:17] <alkisg> A question, does the /boot partition of each OS need to be in the SD card, or can it be in the USB disk? I couldn't manage to put it in the usb disk.
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[9:22] <Wizard> alkisg: I did it on Pi3 once. You need to enable some special flag in order to boot from USB, but it worked nicely.
[9:22] <Wizard> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[9:23] <alkisg> Wizard: I want to boot from the SD card because I have an rpi2, but boot *noobs* form the sd card, while the OS would be in the USB disk
[9:23] <dumhed> alkisg, i currently have my filesystem on usb, including boot- but im pretty sure my pi2 just reads boot off of SD
[9:23] <alkisg> dumhed: thanks, which distro/version/kernel please?
[9:24] <alkisg> I couldn't manage raspbian 9 to find its root filesystem in usb...
[9:24] <dumhed> alkisg, im using raspbian. Ive always used this guide to set up https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44177
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[9:26] <StCyr> does anyone know if omxplayer support RTCP?
[9:26] <dumhed> alkisg, this is my cmdline.txt ---> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=eded8896-e5b4-4d9f-9fcb-d539aee459e9 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[9:27] <alkisg> dumhed: is this raspbian 9 with the default kernel?
[9:27] <dumhed> yes but you can also use rpi-update once installed
[9:27] <alkisg> Thanks... I supposedly tried this and it failed, maybe because I'm using NOOBS as the boot manager to be able to select between multiple versions
[9:28] <dumhed> alkisg, ooh maybe i missed something. I've never dual booted it. I thought you were just looking to have filesystem on usb
[9:29] <alkisg> dumhed: yup, looking for both, to be able to multiboot my rpi2... e.g. to have a 4 GB SD card with noobs or maybe /boot partitions, while 5-6 different OSes would be in an external 160 GB disk
[9:29] <dumhed> alkisg, i imagine it would just be a matter of pointing cmdline.txt at the right partition you want to boot though. But thats not really the best option to change file on boot and reboot
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[9:30] <dumhed> i meant change a file in /boot then reboot
[9:30] <alkisg> Yes I wanted to avoid having to remove the card, put it to a pc, change cmdline.txt and reboot, each time I get boot failures due to experiments... a boot manager would be most valuable there
[9:30] <alkisg> I also tried berryboot but its latest versions don't even boot on rpi2
[9:31] <dumhed> alkisg, well you wouldnt have to remove card, you could do right from terminal and then reboot but yeah its not the best option. You want something where you can just select which os to load and load
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[9:33] <alkisg> I'd be able to do it from a terminal *if* my rpi booted; but I plan on fiddling a lot with it, e.g. have a partition with a local kernel with netbooting the rest, so I expect to have an unbootable system many times, so no terminal. A boot manager would get me to another OS that would boot and give me a terminal...
[9:33] <dumhed> alkisg, ah yeah, good point
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[9:34] <dumhed> dont get me wrong im not trying to steer you away from a boot manager. just talking it out
[9:34] <alkisg> So I'm looking for someone with a good knowledge of NOOBS internals, to give me some hints... e.g. if NOOBS itself has a limitation that the /boot partition must be in the SD card
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[9:35] <dumhed> as far as that, im pretty sure thats just a rpi2 limitation.
[9:36] <alkisg> I mean, how does noobs really works? It loads its own kernel, shows a GUI, and when the user selects raspbian... does noobs itself load the kernel of raspbian, so it can use USB, or does it give control back to the firmware, so only SD can be used?
[9:37] <alkisg> I understand that the noobs kernel must be in the SD card, but I'm not sure if the OSes kernels can then be in USB. For example, if it's using kexec, they can be in usb...
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[9:38] <alkisg> On the other hand, if it's using some firmware call "boot this partition", then they must be in SD...
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[9:40] <Lartza> alkisg, Afaik it tells the firmware to load another partition
[9:40] <Lartza> But that shoull doesn't really mean it has to be on SD, depends on how it exactly works
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[9:40] <Lartza> *that still
[9:40] <alkisg> Lartza: thank you, I'll try to move all my /boot partitions in the SD card and see if it's better that way
[9:41] <Lartza> It does some kind of a soft reboot that doesn't fully clear the processor, that's all I know
[9:41] <alkisg> (I think the rpi2 firmware may not have usb access at that point... rpi3, sure, but not rpi2...)
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[9:42] <Lartza> hmm maybe
[9:42] <Lartza> then again it's not really the firmware that is in control with noobs, it's a kernel already, but since it boots back to the firmware you might be right
[9:43] <alkisg> I tried modifying installed_os.json to point directly to a USB partition, but noobs insists on loading one of the SD partitions without showing any errors...
[9:43] <ShorTie> rpi2 has to have it all in /boot
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[9:43] <alkisg> ShorTie: you mean /boot only, right? While / can be in USB?
[9:43] <alkisg> *in sd
[9:44] <Lartza> rootfs can be on an USB
[9:44] <alkisg> Thank you guys... another issue I bumped into with raspbian 9, was that it wouldn't mount /=sda1 from usb... it's not missing any modules, is it? Or will I need an initramfs there?
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[9:49] <ShorTie> kernel7 and stuff, rest can be any where
[9:49] <ShorTie> not really /boot, but 1st partition of sdcard, which becomes /boot
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[9:56] <poolson> anyone have any experience with those 7" touchscreens
[9:56] <poolson> the ones sold as being raspberry pi displays
[9:56] <poolson> i got one from some guy that says he could never get it to work
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[9:56] <poolson> and it indeed doesnt seem to work
[9:56] <poolson> just blank screen
[9:56] <poolson> should there at least be a backlight ?
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[9:57] <ShorTie> mount /=sda1 ??
[9:57] <ShorTie> it's root in cmdline that defines /
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Wizard, what?
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[10:17] <alkisg> ShorTie: I mean, I put root=/dev/sda1 in the cmdline, and it didn't work, while root=/dev/mmcblkp7 did work (and of course those 2 partitions both have the root filesystem of raspbian), so I was wondering if the stock raspbian kernel doesn't have the modules necessary to mount a usb disk
[10:18] <alkisg> ShorTie: in the kernel boot messages, I see udev events for mmcblk, but not for sda; even unplugging/replugging the usb disk doesn't produce messages. I don't get a shell to test more at that point, as it waits for root forever
[10:19] <alkisg> Btw, anyone knows how noobs locates its settings partition? By LABEL, block dev name (mmcblk0p5)... ?
[10:20] <ShorTie> i'd say it is noobs causing the root=/dev/sda1 to not work
[10:21] <ShorTie> dump noobs and try again
[10:21] <ShorTie> noobs has it's own kernel, recovery
[10:22] <ShorTie> not the same as kernel7
[10:22] <alkisg> ShorTie: but when I select "raspbian" from noobs, does that load raspbian's kernel?
[10:22] <alkisg> *doesn't
[10:23] <alkisg> I'm trying to have a boot manager to multiboot my rpi2...
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[10:24] <alkisg> Where can I find the source code for the binary /usr/bin/recovery?
[10:24] <ShorTie> github
[10:24] <alkisg> Ah got it, https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/blob/master/recovery/mainwindow.cpp
[10:26] <alkisg> #define SETTINGS_PARTNR 5
[10:26] <alkisg> OK it's searching for the first partition in the extended part
[10:27] <ShorTie> bootberry might work better
[10:27] <alkisg> ShorTie: I tried it, it doesn't boot in rpi2 anymore, only versions from 2015 booted in it
[10:27] <alkisg> Kernel panic
[10:28] <alkisg> (and the versions from 2015 lacked the OS in usb feature)
[10:28] <alkisg> Although... hmm... maybe now that I have /boot in the sd card, that version from 2015 may work...
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[11:07] <alkisg> OK, so far I got "ubuntu-mate 16.04", "ltsp-boot from network" and "libreelec" up and running. Only raspbian has issues, troubleshooting...
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[12:43] <alkisg> I think the problem with raspbian not supporting usb boot, is in its firmware version. I tried with ubuntu's kernel and it wouldn't access usb disks (but it would access usb keyboard/mouse). Then I replaced the firmware as well, and now raspbian boots fine with ubuntu's kernel/firmware.
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[12:44] <alkisg> *I didn't express it correctly: ubuntu firmware + ubuntu kernel = ok, raspbian firmware + raspbian kernel = no usb, raspbian firmware + ubuntu kernel = no usb
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[13:09] <extor> shbrngdo, yeah I was looking for something electronic. They've got sensors for smoke in smoke alarms, they've got sensors for radon and also for carbon monoxide so I was thinking there may be one for cannabis too. ¯\_(`_`)_/¯
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[13:42] <reichnicht_> hey everyone, I have a noob question. just bought my first raspberry pi 3b+. Would I be able to setup a media server with next cloud as well as a pi-hole and even maybe make it an AP where I would configure my vpn provider?
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[13:50] <clickboom> reichnicht_: might have problems doing them simultaneously, but sounds doable.
[13:50] <reichnicht_> thanks for the reply :) I guess I'll test it out once it arrives
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[13:52] <clickboom> i have a pi 3. for me the issue with nextcloud was disk throughput, but i suppose it depends on your needs.
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[13:55] <reichnicht_> I don't really need it to be ultra performant. more as a storage for my personal documents. thought of nextcloud because of its encryption
[13:55] <reichnicht_> there won't be a lot of data and no huge files for now at least
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[13:59] <clickboom> you should be fine then. i was just trying to sync huge isos.
[14:00] <reichnicht_> perfect, thank you so much for the help
[14:00] <clickboom> sounds like you have some fun projects lined up.
[14:02] <reichnicht_> hell yeah, it's going to take me a while to finish them up but it's something I like doing :)
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[16:47] <inc0gn1t0> Does the pi3 b+ support 4k?
[16:48] <inc0gn1t0> Can't find anything in the little pamphlet that came with
[16:49] <Ellied> inc0gn1t0: I believe the GPU is the same as the Pi 3, so I think not
[16:49] <inc0gn1t0> Oh ok
[16:50] <Ellied> IIRC they have not changed the SOC itself, they've just switched to a package for the same silicon that has a heat spreader
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[16:54] <inc0gn1t0> I was hoping since they boosted it to 1.4ghz, and updated the WiFi to 5, that maybe they updated that too. Wishful hoping..
[16:55] <Ellied> does anyone know what the pin labeled "PEN" (next to "RUN") does? I'm finding it hard to google for because google insists on either just leaving it out of the search results or "correcting" it to "pin"
[16:55] <inc0gn1t0> I just noticed that too when I was casing my b+
[16:56] <inc0gn1t0> Idk what it does, it was my next question lol
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[16:56] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean. Support doing what with 4k? It can output it... Or are you asking whether it can decode 4k video in realtime.
[16:57] <shiftplusone> Ellied: You can use it to cut power to the pi completly, drawing a few mA, IIRC.
[16:57] <inc0gn1t0> So I could watch 4k movies?
[16:57] <Ellied> ah, so it's "Power ENable"
[16:58] <inc0gn1t0> And noob question, I always see people say IIRC, what does that mean
[16:58] <shiftplusone> Ellied: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=207961#p1286376
[16:58] <Ellied> inc0gn1t0: If I Recall Correctly
[16:58] <shiftplusone> inc0gn1t0: no, I don't think you can.
[16:58] <inc0gn1t0> Ah thnx lol
[16:58] <Ellied> you're forgiven for not knowing it, I think I learned it from IRC lol
[16:59] <inc0gn1t0> shiftplusone: what do you mean by it can output 4k then?
[16:59] <shiftplusone> physically, it's able to display 4k output to an HDMI screen that supports it
[16:59] <inc0gn1t0> Oh, so just still frames
[17:00] <shiftplusone> doesn't mean you can decode and push pixels out fast enough to do more than basic desktop stuff.
[17:00] <inc0gn1t0> Alright
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[17:02] <r3> and then the police just sort of seemed to shrug their shoulders and give up. "Whelp, that's too hard"
[17:02] <methuzla> shiftplusone, how? on the 4k output?
[17:02] <Ellied> 4k video is a kind of insane amount of data. If I'm honest, I'm still not done being impressed that common desktop and laptop machines these days can manage it.
[17:02] <r3> oops. wrong channel, sorry
[17:03] <inc0gn1t0> Go onnn r3
[17:03] <inc0gn1t0> Lol
[17:03] <shiftplusone> methuzla: example: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=79330
[17:03] <r3> inc0gn1t0: heh, it was in reference to this: https://i.imgur.com/INiIp7p.png (I put it in imgur because the local paper sites are cancer) ... the story just struck me as totally odd and doesn't say much for my faith in humanity... why didn't her neighbors do something?
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[17:04] <Ellied> quick back-of-the-envelope says a 4K video stream with 24-bit color at 60 frames/sec is just shy of 12 gigabits/sec being shot through the video interface
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[17:05] <methuzla> shiftplusone, interesting. is there a better reference for the possible hdmi_modes other than this? https://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
[17:05] <shiftplusone> methuzla:
[17:05] <shiftplusone> slipped
[17:05] <shiftplusone> methuzla: tvservice command should be able to query what your TV supports
[17:05] <Ellied> granted, that's a naïve estimate because it neglects all the signal processing, compression, etc that might be involved, but that's about how much data is being fed into your eyeballs by the screen at the end of the day
[17:06] <shiftplusone> False, your eyes only see at a cinematic 24 FPS =P
[17:06] <Ellied> mine can detect a flicker of close to 5 kHz if I'm searching carefully, but point taken
[17:07] <extor> What's the difference between mini hdmi and micro hdmi? Not sure which ones the regular pi and the pi zero use. https://www.amazon.com/Anbear-Female-Converter-Adapter-Plated/dp/B01LF7K1UK/ and https://www.amazon.com/LinkS-Adapter-Converter-Female-Supports/dp/B01N7MU590 are mini and micro supposedly
[17:07] <shiftplusone> Wasn't being serious, people can tell the difference between 30FPS, 60FPS and 120FPS if they're used to it. It's just a silly thing people say when justifying low framerates in videos and games.
[17:08] <Ellied> yeah, I gotcha
[17:08] <extor> Ahh the old eyes can see just 30 FPS
[17:08] <Ellied> extor: the Zero uses mini HDMI; the full-size boards use regular-size HDMI. no RPi I'm aware of uses micro.
[17:08] <Ellied> micro HDMI is about the same size as micro USB
[17:08] <shiftplusone> extor: pi zero uses mini
[17:08] <extor> Ellied, so micro is used by what, smartphones?
[17:09] <Ellied> some older ones, yeah
[17:09] <shiftplusone> micro was on the astrix lapdock, for example
[17:09] <extor> Is micro smaller than mini?
[17:09] <Ellied> I've seen a few ultracompact laptops in the wild with micro
[17:09] <extor> Is micro being phased out then or just not yet well adopted?
[17:10] <Ellied> yeah, mini is about twice as wide as a microUSB plug, micro HDMI is easily mistaken for micro USB in passing
[17:10] <Ellied> I think it's just not yet well adopted
[17:10] <Ellied> but it also might become obsolete soon because of HDMI using USB type C
[17:10] <shiftplusone> probably not much of a use case yet and might be skipped in favour of ....what Ellied just said.
[17:10] <Ellied> basically every common consumer interface is converging on type C, it seems
[17:11] <extor> Ahh. I was planning on somehow getting androidOS on a couple of pi zeros
[17:11] <extor> I think there's a distro for that?
[17:11] <Ellied> there might be, I've never looked
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[17:11] <inc0gn1t0> All except apple, who likes to be gay and make people pay for a unique cord that only works with their product
[17:11] <methuzla> shiftplusone, is there something like what i linked the lists out the possible hdmi_modes and includes 87? (what i linked doesn't show hdmi_mode=87 for some reason)
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[17:12] <extor> I'd like to run a raspbian version of androidOS simply because the real androidOS is so alien to me. The mount points make no sense
[17:12] <Ellied> hey, I resent that. I'm gay, and I firmly believe in consistent, open standards for electrical connectors. :P
[17:12] <shiftplusone> I don't know off the top of my head, but I'd be surprised if google didn't find anything
[17:13] <inc0gn1t0> Lol Ellied
[17:13] <Ellied> I'm not aware of any versions of Android which are Raspbian underneath. I think you'd just be running stock Android compiled for the BCM, AFAIK.
[17:14] <Ellied> and I'm with you about Android's file system structure being completely alien and borked
[17:14] <inc0gn1t0> Also, I'm pretty sure there's an android os for pi. I think that's how they guy made PiPhone
[17:14] <extor> It's just that androidOS has no /etc/passwd or built in ssh or even telnet. I feel so not at home.
[17:14] <Ellied> yeah, no kidding, android is weird
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[17:15] <Ellied> it's a hacked and abused Linux environment that's been conscripted into and endless hell of Java virtual machines
[17:15] <shiftplusone> Not really intended to be used from the command line
[17:15] <extor> I've been trying to load androidx86 in vmware and the pointing device doesnt work and it's hell on the command line
[17:15] <extor> Oh well time for a nap
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[17:16] <Ellied> personally, I'll take fighting with trying to customize a Linux GUI than fighting with Android on the command-line level
[17:16] <Ellied> er, s/than/over/
[17:16] <Wizard> Ellied: rice ftw! \o/
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[17:17] <Ellied> I used to use Plasma 5 and still have it installed on one of my laptops, but these days I've switched to i3 for daily use
[17:18] <Ellied> once you're used to all the key combos, you never want to leave, lol
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[17:19] <Ellied> it's great for Pis too because it's so lightweight
[17:20] <shiftplusone> A KDE thing? Lightweight?
[17:20] <Ellied> no, i3
[17:20] <shiftplusone> oh, right
[17:20] <shiftplusone> I was confused for a second there
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[17:21] <Ellied> Plasma 5 can be stripped down enough to run smoothly on my 2008 Toughbook, but last I heard it's still out of reach of any Pi
[17:21] <methuzla> shiftplusone, so 87 is like a user defined custom mode? found this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24679
[17:21] <Wizard> Ellied: I used to use dwm, then i3, recently I switched to bspwm. I like it more.
[17:21] <Wizard> Ellied: But it's so basic, that you have to do everything around it manually.
[17:22] <shiftplusone> methuzla: way outside my area of expertise.
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[17:24] <methuzla> shiftplusone, np. just trying to update my understanding. first i've seen this.
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[17:24] <Ellied> Wizard: shrug, I live in the command line already anyway.
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[17:25] <Ellied> https://resin.io/blog/introducing-project-fin-a-board-for-fleet-owners/ wait, how does this thing have a miniPCIe slot? I was just reading the CM3 docs the other day and I have no recollection of seeing anything about PCIe
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[17:25] <Ellied> did they just repurpose the DSI/CSI bus somehow?
[17:25] <Ellied> oh, nevermind, I misread this page, they've added a coprocessor too
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[17:26] <Ellied> this thing is weird
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[17:29] <shiftplusone> They'd probably need an ASIC or an FPGA to use DSI/CSI. Or access to internal documentation. In either case, it would be a pain.
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[17:32] <shiftplusone> I don't get how they're using the coprocessor and pcie, but again, that's not anything I'd know about.
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[17:36] <BCMM> Ellied: where does it say they've added a PCIe controller?
[17:36] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, doesn't look like there's any pci in that pci-e tho it's just usb/uart/i2c/sim
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[17:36] <BCMM> Ellied: they describe it as a "Mini PCI Express subset socket", which implies, to me, that it's a physical connector for "mini PCIe" devices that only use USB
[17:37] <BCMM> (since minipcie has more than just pcie in it)
[17:37] <shiftplusone> Ah
[17:37] <shiftplusone> That makes a lot more sense
[17:38] <BCMM> well actually they say "Mini PCI Express subset socket (USB, UART and I2C with nano-SIM card reader)", which makes less sense
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[17:39] <BCMM> i guess at least some of that re-uses pins in a non-standard way
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[18:51] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[19:08] <yang> Is 32GB SDHC the upper limit for the SD card in RPI 3B+ or does it also accept larger capacity SDXC cards ?
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[19:09] <Zardoz> yang: I have not tried it with my b+ but I have used 128GB in my 3B so it sould work
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[19:17] <shauno> there's a wiki at https://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards where they keep track of cards people have found to work (or not work)
[19:17] <shauno> it's not exhaustive, but it's a pretty solid start
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[19:24] <shiftplusone> there's no capacity limit on cards the pi can use
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[19:37] <Habbie> shiftplusone, other than the limits imposed by SDHC?
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[19:41] <Lartza> Habbie, ?
[19:41] <Habbie> Lartza, ?
[19:42] <Lartza> What limits?
[19:42] <Lartza> There is no limit to the cards the pi can use
[19:42] <Habbie> oh SDXC works, ok
[19:42] <Voop> any micro sd card
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[19:43] <Habbie> well, until they invent SDXXC, right :)
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[19:44] <shiftplusone> Unless they switch timing requirements or how they're connected, even those should work
[19:45] <Habbie> shiftplusone, yes, exactly
[19:45] <Habbie> good
[19:46] <Lartza> Really the only reason devices like cameras say they only support SDHC is that they don't support exFAT
[19:46] <Habbie> ah yes
[19:47] <Habbie> which, of course, neither does the pi boot loader
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[19:47] <Lartza> But the pi is naughty and just does multiple partitions :P
[19:47] <Lartza> And doesn't use fat32 for the root one
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[19:48] <Habbie> well
[19:48] <Habbie> raspbian is like that
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[19:48] <Habbie> but if your card is big it's easy to 'misinstall' noobs
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[20:09] <kevr> hello
[20:09] <kevr> hciattach always gives an initialization timed out at least one time before the command succeeds
[20:09] <kevr> how do i make it so that i can initialize fully in one command?
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[20:13] <shiftplusone> kevr: have you seen the script from Phil which resets the chip?
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[20:13] <shiftplusone> Perhaps, resetting the chip and then sending the firmware may be more reliable.
[20:14] <kevr> shiftplusone: i haven't
[20:15] <kevr> shiftplusone: do you have a link?
[20:15] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2251#issuecomment-340490458
[20:16] <kevr> it uses gpio to reset it? geez
[20:16] <kevr> that isn't portable at all :(
[20:16] <kevr> hmm
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> portable in what way?
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[20:22] <kevr> its gonna be different on different pis
[20:22] <kevr> gpio-wise
[20:22] <shiftplusone> why?
[20:22] <kevr> because pis can change their gpio configuration, and it has between 1 or 2 or 3
[20:23] <shiftplusone> of the models which have the bluetooth chip on-board, only the zero has it wired differently
[20:23] <shiftplusone> (directly rather than through a gpio expander)
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> *Zero W
[20:24] <shiftplusone> but yeah, it's not pretty
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[20:25] <red9> Doesn't wiringPi provide a "numbering patch" to mitigate this issue?
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[20:27] <shiftplusone> I don't think wiringpi handles the gpio expander that's on the newer pis
[20:27] <shiftplusone> but gordonDrogon is the person to ask
[20:28] <shiftplusone> If he's not baking away.
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[20:32] <shiftplusone> Don't know if it's worthwhile spending a lot of time on this. I've seen talk upstream of making the kernel handle all of this anyway.
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[20:33] <Voop> i hope they make a zero with the new wireless chipset
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[20:37] <shiftplusone> wish I could talk about the stuff being worked on, but the only public information about it is that it's exciting.
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[20:39] <Voop> you work for the foundation?
[20:39] <shiftplusone> Trading (the engineering side)
[20:40] <kevr> the linux foundation has NDA?
[20:40] <kevr> god damn
[20:40] <kevr> or pi foundation? :P
[20:40] <kevr> shiftplusone: i love you guys btw, you've been working with us really well with Citrix/VMware
[20:41] <Voop> im amazed they came out with anything so soon
[20:41] <Voop> the last news i heard from the foundation (not that i pay close attention) was that they werent coming out with anything for years
[20:41] <kevr> demand calls
[20:41] <kevr> people realized they could use the pi for enterprise
[20:41] <shiftplusone> Well, not a whole new model like a pi 4
[20:41] <kevr> no, but very awesome 3B+
[20:45] <shiftplusone> Still, lots of people say that the 3B+ should've been skipped in favour of a pi with 4GB RAM, USB3 and everything else people would really like to see.
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[20:46] <kevr> eh
[20:46] <kevr> how much more expensive would that be though
[20:46] <kevr> if its a $100 pi, that would be terrible
[20:46] <shiftplusone> yes, I think that's what those people are missing
[20:46] <kevr> silly people
[20:47] <kevr> just go buy an NUC
[20:47] <kevr> haha
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[20:47] * caoliver would really like to see on-chip RT processors as on the Sitara chips.
[20:48] <kevr> ill be happy enough with my more powerful 3B, the 3B is pretty sweet already
[20:48] <kevr> personally ;)
[20:49] <caoliver> 3b is fine, but I've an app where I need to hang outboard arduinos for real time stuff. :(
[20:49] <shiftplusone> same, I use pis for all kinds of things people insist they're not suitable for.
[20:50] <kevr> like what?
[20:50] <caoliver> I'd also like to see a NuttX/ChibiOS port for RasPis.
[20:50] <caoliver> Real time control.
[20:50] <shiftplusone> NAS is the main one that people have always said it's not suitable for, but it does the job as far as I'm concerned.
[20:51] <kevr> ah
[20:51] <kevr> indeed
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[20:51] <kevr> i have one chained up to a few external drives in the office
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[20:51] <kevr> i mean, of course it's not going to be as performing as something high scale
[20:51] <kevr> but it works fine for what it is
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[20:51] <caoliver> NAS is actually not a bad thing except for disk to Pi bandwidth.
[20:51] <kevr> does the job
[20:51] <shiftplusone> caoliver: that's an application where you'd hook up an attiny or something similar to handle the time-sensitive tasks. We do that with our own products like the display, sense hat and others.
[20:52] <caoliver> Yes. I'd prefer on board real time controllers as on the TI chips though.
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[20:53] <kevr> i use one pi to host a tcp server with some sensors, so when it gets too hot, phone comes in range, etc, it sends out events to all my clients at home over the wireless chip
[20:53] <kevr> IoT is really fun.
[20:53] * caoliver is doing embedded drone stuff.
[20:54] <shiftplusone> nice
[20:54] <caoliver> I'm happily not the autopilot though I get GPS data from there.
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[20:56] <kevr> i might give this script a shot
[20:56] <kevr> it just scares me a lot
[20:56] <caoliver> Which?
[20:56] <kevr> this bluetooth chip gpio reset
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[20:57] <caoliver> OK. A while back I had to use a USB reset script that on occasion would wedge things hard.
[20:57] <shiftplusone> kevr: is this for a custom distro or something?
[20:57] <kevr> indeed
[20:57] <shiftplusone> not systemd based?
[20:57] <kevr> it's not
[20:58] <shiftplusone> ah
[20:58] <kevr> however, are you referring to the systemd setting that ive seen around for taking care of this initialization?
[20:58] <kevr> perhaps i'll look into what they're doing.
[20:58] <shiftplusone> on raspbian we ship a service which runs it and that seems to work fine the first time.
[20:59] <kevr> runs the chip reset script?
[20:59] <kevr> i'm gonna give the default baud rate setting in config.txt a shot first
[20:59] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/RPi-Distro/pi-bluetooth/blob/master/usr/bin/btuart
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> We don't reset the chip when running hciuart, no.
[21:00] <kevr> interesting
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[21:07] <caoliver> Hmm... maybe hang a pocket beagle on the outside instead.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> heresy
[21:12] <caoliver> Not really. Does the Broadcom have the PRUs?
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[21:12] <caoliver> Main think would be good high BW comms between RasPi and the other.
[21:13] <caoliver> Probably some SPI hack would work.
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[21:57] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[22:02] <Kryczek> Hi! Is there a way to investigate a RPi dropping into emergency mode at boot and apparently just waiting for me to press Enter before it would connect to the network etc? The message says to look at `journalctl -xb` but I can't seem to find any problem
[22:02] <Kryczek> "ntpdate[481]: name server cannot be used: Temporary failure in name resolution (-3)" is not cause for emergency mode, is it? :)
[22:04] <Tenkawa> are you trying to netboot?
[22:04] <Kryczek> ah that's more like it "systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2dpartuuid-..."
[22:04] <Kryczek> Tenkawa: no no, just regular SD card boot :)
[22:04] <Tenkawa> yeah that sounds like your card is not reading
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[22:04] <Kryczek> what's strange is that after I pressed Enter it all started working again
[22:05] <Tenkawa> or has wrong uuid
[22:05] <Tenkawa> odd
[22:05] <shiftplusone> what's the output of 'sudo blkid' and content of /etc/fstab?
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[22:07] <Kryczek> / and /boot have the same PARTUUID in /etc/fstab and in the output of blkid
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[22:08] <shiftplusone> Is it only / and /boot in fstab?
[22:08] <shiftplusone> Also all of 'sudo journalctl' would be useful.
[22:08] <shiftplusone> but I'm off. 'night
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[22:10] <Tenkawa> does cmdline.txt match up too
[22:11] <Tenkawa> in /boot
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[22:12] <Kryczek> Tenkawa: good point :) yeah same root=PARTUUID=... as for /
[22:13] <Tenkawa> well darn.. it was a thought...
[22:13] <Kryczek> it booted normally many times before that, all I did was type `reboot` this time
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[22:14] <Tenkawa> you might check the systemd logs
[22:14] <Tenkawa> see if anything is there
[22:14] <Kryczek> with `journalctl -xb` or?
[22:14] <Tenkawa> i cant help much there though
[22:14] <Tenkawa> not sure
[22:15] <Tenkawa> i still prefer old sysv
[22:15] <Kryczek> heh me too :)
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[22:16] <Kryczek> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
[22:16] <Kryczek> fsck made everything time out
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[22:17] <Tenkawa> do you have network mounted drives?
[22:18] <Kryczek> no no, nothing that fancy, just the typical / and /boot
[22:18] <Kryczek> apparently it only got confused by some bad old time (fake-hwclock?)
[22:19] <Kryczek> systemd-fsck[85]: Superblock last write time (Tue Mar 13 00:17:01 2018,
[22:19] <Kryczek> systemd-fsck[85]: now = Thu Nov 3 17:16:44 2016) is in the future.
[22:19] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:19] <Kryczek> two paragraphs like that, one for each partition I guess
[22:19] <Tenkawa> yeah that will confuse it good
[22:19] <Kryczek> why would it go back to 2016 o_O
[22:19] <Kryczek> I did not even have that RPi in 2016
[22:20] <Tenkawa> the rpi doesnt have a hardware clock on it
[22:20] <Kryczek> what's strange is that just before those two paragraph there is this line: fake-hwclock[95]: Tue 27 Mar 19:29:20 UTC 2018
[22:20] <Kryczek> so it looks like fake-hwclock was ok
[22:20] <Tenkawa> thats why it uses fake hwclick
[22:20] <Tenkawa> er clock
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[22:21] <Kryczek> any idea where else the 2016 date could have come from?
[22:21] <Tenkawa> no idea
[22:22] <Tenkawa> i use ntp servers
[22:22] <Kryczek> I have a GPS receiver on it but that keeps in sync even when the RPi is shut down, until I manually switch the power off
[22:22] <Tenkawa> and have them set my time on startup/shutdown
[22:23] <Tenkawa> good luck though. i have to run too.. be back later.. cheers all
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[22:27] <Kryczek> aaaah: /etc/systemd/system.conf has #DefaultTimeoutStartSec=90s which would be a bit short for a fsck indeed
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[22:36] <Wizard> Can someon hilight me?
[22:38] <Voop> Wizard: no
[22:38] <Wizard> Thanks.
[22:38] <Wizard> Again?
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> red9, shiftplusone if I knew more about the gpio expander I can add it in ...
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