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IRC Log for 2018-04-01

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[0:00] <Jeebiss> I guess I didnt elaborate enough, I want to do it in python ideally
[0:00] <HrdwrBoB> pretty sure you can just use it from the command line to add text
[0:00] <HrdwrBoB> I've done it
[0:00] <Jeebiss> My goal is to make a simple web page to load on an ipad
[0:00] <Jeebiss> that has a few text fields
[0:00] <HrdwrBoB> I used it on a thin client to add the IP/mac info the the background image
[0:00] <HrdwrBoB> Jeebiss: oh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_Imaging_Library
[0:01] <Jeebiss> oh, interesting
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[0:03] <r3> HrdwrBoB: is it available through apt to install? Happen to know the package name offhand?
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[0:03] <r3> oh wait, it's a python library, so I can install that way - nevermind - brain cloud.
[0:05] <ebarch> Jake7: it worked well for me (at least on an ODroid). it's quite barebones. but that may be what you're looking for :)
[0:05] <Jeebiss> PIL looks really simple for this
[0:07] <ali1234> you should generate svgs instead
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[0:07] <ali1234> 1. design label in inkscape and insert placeholder text
[0:07] <ali1234> 2. find and replace on the svg text
[0:09] <ali1234> if you want to get fancy you can use an xml parser, but find and replace on sufficiently unique strings should be fine for this
[0:09] <Jake7> ebarch: Besides the recommendation I think what's making me take a serious look is that there looks to be a serious collection of 'pre-configured' packages that the dev has tweaked to run properly. I'd like to make this Rpi into a USB 2 thumbdrive NAS using Tonido. Sort of a poor mans Dropbox.
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[0:10] <ebarch> ah, very cool. I haven't played too much with the pre-configured stuff. that being said, if you want an easy way to replicate deployments between Pis, you could also use Docker (which runs great on top of Raspbian Lite)
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[0:11] <ali1234> literally nothing about docker is easy :(
[0:12] <ebarch> ali1234: it takes a little time to get familiar with it. but IMO, once you do, it's a snap to redeploy the same thing to multiple devices
[0:12] <r3> Jeebiss: I was looking at fooling with PIL (Pillow for python3) and came across this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16373425/add-text-on-image-using-pil .... thought you might find it useful
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[0:14] <Jake7> I've actually done well in the past with Docker. The experience curve was a little steep at first but that could be an option now. I'll have to see if Dietpi plays nicely with it.
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[0:15] <ebarch> tbh, I often find it easier to fire up a docker container with --restart=always than writing a systemd script to launch a nodejs project or something similar on boot :P
[0:18] <Jake7> That's true.
[0:18] <ebarch> but yeah, not sure about docker on dietpi. I know it works out of the box with raspbian using the standard/official install script
[0:20] <Jake7> Yeah, that's how I've done it in the past. Works well once you get used to it. I'm also trying to decide if I want to use a Rpi or order a nanopi or two. I was really surprised when he told me he was getting them for less than $20.
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[2:59] <maarhart`> hi, I was told here to use sudo tar -cJ -f /media/pi/mydrive/rpi-tarball.txz --exclude /media --exclude /tmp --exclude /var/tmp --exclude /var/run / in order to backup my micro SD (but not my mounted hard disk). But i get the following error: tar: /sys/module/cfg80211/uevent: Cannot open: Permission denied
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[3:04] <shauno> the obvious answer would be to add an --exclude /sys (and --exclude /proc) .. but I'd be tempted to use --one-file-system instead of all the excludes, personally
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[3:08] <shauno> (rsync will take --one-file-system too. the problem you're hitting is common enough that these mechanisms exist precisely for this reason)
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[6:05] <Voop> whats the quadcopter channel on freenode
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[6:51] <shbrngdo> I did a channel list search on 'copter', came up with #multirotors and #uavp . you might try something similar, or visit those channels and ask nice. [most people aren't willing to use search tools on your behalf; this one time only search was described to you by me in hopes you'll do the same thing on your own]
[6:51] <shbrngdo> in xchat it was 'Server' 'List of channels' - then I hit 'download' in the dialog box, entered 'copter' in the search/filter text, and hit the 'search' button.
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[8:26] <fusa24> I'm using a PiZero and Makerfocus Night Vision Camera. I'm getting random lines in the video feed. I tried changing the power supply, but I'm still seeing the lines. Could it be the camera cable? I'm using one that is 30cm long
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[8:38] <en1gma> does anyone know anything about "PiFmRds"
[8:38] <en1gma> what i mainly want to know is what frequency spectrum can it do and at what power
[8:39] <mlelstv> depends on the antenna and "too much".
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[8:45] <en1gma> mlelstv dont you set a freq with pifmrds also?
[8:45] <en1gma> the antenna just helps it get out
[8:45] <mlelstv> "a freq" would be a nice sine wave.
[8:46] <en1gma> yes but you can set the square to a certain frequency no?
[8:46] <mlelstv> but the entenna mostly says how much power gets out.
[8:46] <en1gma> correct but you not telling me the "frequency range"
[8:46] <en1gma> 1mhz to 5ghz?
[8:47] <mlelstv> a square wave is just lots of overtones. You always send a more or less wide spectrum. It again depends on the antenna how much dampening you have on the wrong frequencies.
[8:47] <en1gma> so is it basically a noise source?
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[8:48] <mlelstv> you can probably get some hundred MHz, but at the top end you have less control over it.
[8:48] <mlelstv> yes, noise, but not random noise if you think about that.
[8:48] <en1gma> i have rtlsdr dongles for Rx that can do 25mhz to 2100mhz
[8:48] <en1gma> i also have attenuators to lower the dB
[8:49] <en1gma> would like to do some testing with it to actually know its characteristics but if someone has done this already it would be nice to see the data
[8:50] <mlelstv> maybe you find a radio amateur to help you, if he isn't disgusted by the noise :)
[8:50] <en1gma> say you dont hook up any wire to the Tx pin and you tell PiFmRds to do a Tx sweep from 1mhz to 3ghz
[8:51] <en1gma> only on the pin header with no wire attached
[8:51] <en1gma> its going to have a sweet spot right?
[8:51] <mlelstv> how would you know how much it transmits?
[8:51] <en1gma> with my rtlsdr dongles
[8:51] <en1gma> also i have directional couplers and attenuators
[8:51] <mlelstv> just the pin is probably too short to transmit anything strong
[8:52] <en1gma> i tested it before on my keyfob with no wire and its powerful
[8:52] <mlelstv> if you just want to know the characteristics, use a transmission line between the pin and the receiver.
[8:52] <en1gma> i forget the freq... is it 160mhz or 315mhz or something
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[8:53] <en1gma> yea but transmission lines and antennas usually have more then 1 wire. usually 2
[8:53] <en1gma> all the guides i read say one wire to pin 4 or pin 7. i forget which one
[8:53] <en1gma> shouldnt it be 2 wires
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[8:54] <en1gma> thats what i was going to do with my attenuators
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[9:01] <mlelstv> the "other wire" is earth.
[9:03] <en1gma> mlelstv hmmm
[9:03] <en1gma> like a ground plane antenna?
[9:04] <en1gma> i bet i just need a grnd pin and that pin4 or pin7 output pin
[9:04] <mlelstv> probably. I'm not an expert.
[9:04] <en1gma> then i could feed it into an attenuator and then a rtlsdr device
[9:04] <mlelstv> pin4 is +5V, pin7 is a clock signal.
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[9:05] <en1gma> ahh ok. yea i was reading about adding a fan earlier as my pi3 is getting hot. thats where i got that pin4 from
[9:05] <en1gma> thanks for info
[9:06] <en1gma> oops wait. "The radiofrequency signal is emitted on GPIO 4 (pin 7 on header P1)."
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[9:07] <mlelstv> gpio4 == pin7, that's what your transmitter uses
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[9:09] <en1gma> k and no ground pin. interesting
[9:11] <en1gma> probably gonna set this as a soon to be future project just to see what its specs are. maybe i can just install pifmrds and give some parameters and maybe they will tell me out of range if i go to low or high
[9:15] <mfa298> en1gma: I'm pretty sure there are some detailed explanations out there about how it works, what ranges and how bad (and probably illegal) it is. You might want to search for PiFM as I think that's what the original project was named
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[9:16] <mlelstv> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[9:17] <en1gma> ok thanks. much appreciated. was googling for manpage for pifmrds and nothing came up
[9:17] <mfa298> also remember your rtlsdr isn't going to be a perfect reciever so if comparing the signal strength betwen 100MHz and 400MHz you don't know if any difference is down to the PiFM transmitter or the rtlsdr receiver
[9:17] <en1gma> pifm might work better
[9:17] <en1gma> there is a program called rtl_power and it lets me sweep the whole freq range the rtlsdr can do
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[9:17] <en1gma> i use it all the time. well i use spektrum and panorama
[9:17] <en1gma> they use rtl_power underneath
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[9:18] <en1gma> this is a vswr i just did of one of my antennas with "spektrum" https://imgur.com/a/crTk0
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[9:19] <en1gma> the low spot is the antenna resonate spot
[9:19] <mfa298> It can scan the frequency range, but you can't necessarily compare results between different sets of frequencies to say the PiFM noisegen is better at one frequency than another
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[9:20] <en1gma> 40mhz to 1600mhz is that rtlsdr but i have another that does upto 2100mhz and tomorrow or monday i get my limesdr mini and it goes to 3800mhz
[9:20] <en1gma> well hopefully monday anyhow
[9:21] <en1gma> gonna look for info on pifm. thanks for all the info guys
[9:22] <mfa298> I know what the frequency range is - I've got a bunch of them. But if the graphs show a 0dB with PiFM transmitting at 100MHz and -3dB with it at 400MHz you don't know if that 3dB difference is due to the abuse of the Pi GPIO or the rtlsdr receiver.
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[9:24] <en1gma> yea you can. with that program it lets you create a baseline (while its not hooked up to anything) then you can zero that out
[9:24] <en1gma> then hook up the pi3 gpio pins and it will make a new graph of what the pi3 does
[9:24] <mfa298> you also need to be able to scan to several harmonics above where the PiFM is to pick up any noise, but all that can potentially tell you is there's a harmonic there, not how strong it is compared to the others
[9:26] <en1gma> it should show the graph with the pi3 harmonics and without. you can visually see in the graph what its doing pretty much
[9:26] <en1gma> just like in that picture i linked to. you can see the harmonics
[9:26] <en1gma> but thats all from the antenna
[9:27] <en1gma> should be pretty easy to do. been playing with my vswr all night :)
[9:27] <en1gma> just dont know how to feed the rtlsdr the signal from the pi3 with one wire
[9:28] <mfa298> that's a pretty poor antenna based on that plot, if that's tuned to 523MHz (the lowest dip) then you shouldn't have harmonics that close.
[9:28] <en1gma> ill probably just do a sweep with the rtlsdr with a wideband antenna hooked up and run pifmrds on several different frequencies
[9:28] <en1gma> yea it is a bad antenna :)
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[9:29] <en1gma> well at least on the graph but irl it works pretty freaking good. too bad there is nothing of interest at that freq
[9:29] <en1gma> unless you want to look at broadcast tv
[9:29] <mfa298> a basic antenna would normally be resonant on it's base frequency and odd harmonics, and I'd expect a bigger dip.
[9:29] <en1gma> im just practicing right now with vswr
[9:30] <red9> What software to use to exploit rtlsdr?
[9:30] <en1gma> yea very true
[9:30] <en1gma> i use spektrum on my laptop under linux and under windows i use parorama. one sec ill see if i can post a picture. that is the program where you get your real numbers
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[9:30] <en1gma> 1 sec
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[9:31] <mfa298> vswr doesn't necessarily tell you anything about how good an antenna is - I can get a 1:1 VSWR fairly easily here - by using a 50R resistor (a huge 50R resistor with massive heatsink, but still a 50R resistor)
[9:32] <en1gma> here is one i think of this antenna
[9:32] <en1gma> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EF_N5IrEz24Pe1I_DuW91GAVj6qTAKepmWR7NMmULhM/edit?usp=sharing
[9:32] <en1gma> the one you just seen in the above link. they are close so i just use spektrum in linux as it works pretty good. just not with any real numbers
[9:33] <en1gma> actually thats my other antenna
[9:33] <en1gma> but very similar
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[9:36] <en1gma> the columns of importance are baseline, antenna measure, subtract difference to get reflectivity and last numbers are vswr
[9:36] <en1gma> reflectivity / return loss
[9:42] <mfa298> some of those are probably meaningless if measured with just an rtlsdr, I wonder if you even know what vswr is.
[9:42] <en1gma> oh i do and its relative until you start using item like my 15db and 6db attenuator so you can convert to dBm
[9:42] <en1gma> which i already have done.
[9:43] <en1gma> dont sound like you know to much as im spoon feeding you all the info
[9:43] <en1gma> just hooked up my fm radio antenna (rabbit ears) and going to start my sweep any moment
[9:44] <en1gma> then gonna try pi3 with no antenna. should have a scan for the whole internet to see here in a moment
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[9:45] <mfa298> considering in 20+ years of doing this I've never seen VSWR referred to in dB then I think you've shown you need to go do a bunch more reading
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[10:13] <en1gma> pretty cool. see the signal
[10:14] <en1gma> i said i was new at making antennas. if you have so much experience at it then how come you havent done this already :)
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[10:15] <en1gma> with no antenna connected to pi3 and rabbit ears and lna gain of 30db on rtlsdr device i see a 22db signal
[10:15] <en1gma> gonna try with no gains. 1 sec
[10:16] <en1gma> wait that was with no gain
[10:16] <en1gma> 22db signal which is close to 20dBm as i have been doing testing with the rtlsdr device
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[10:17] <en1gma> that was just a simple test now ill test at some different freq ranges
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[10:19] <mfa298> en1gma: I've not done it because I dont have a need to, and because I know I wouldn't get any meaningful numbers without much better test equiment that I currently have (and I don't think I'd even rate the rtlsdr's on the list of test equipment)
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[10:26] <mfa298> if that 20dBm is what you think the Pi is outputting then that sounds unlikely, I'm not sure that sort of power is even possible, and even if it was, without a suitably matched antenna your liable to damage the SoC
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[10:44] <en1gma> at 500mhz its alot lower
[10:44] <en1gma> it goes upto 500mhz with rpitx
[10:44] <en1gma> :)
[10:44] <en1gma> pretty cool
[10:44] <en1gma> pretty accurate on the target freq too
[10:44] <en1gma> the ppm is on
[10:45] <en1gma> you might not need to do anything but its nice to be 1st and some results are alot better then none
[10:46] <en1gma> im gonna test some lower freq out now. i think all the power is concentrated down in the lower freq
[10:50] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure people who are more experienced than you have probably done tests like that with much better equipment.
[10:51] <mfa298> misleading results can be more damaging than no results at all.
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[10:53] <mfa298> and if you're using FM rabbit ears as your receive antenna then I'd expect that your results will probobably show a peak reception at around 100MHz purely down to the choice of antenna.
[10:56] <en1gma> the rabbit ears are adjustable
[10:56] <en1gma> the Rx antenna not near as important as the Tx antenna
[10:57] <en1gma> im just getting some numbers out there (for pin only)
[10:57] <en1gma> uploading a few pics right now
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[11:01] <mfa298> both antennas are important.
[11:03] <en1gma> https://imgur.com/a/3iEcs
[11:03] <en1gma> not when in the same room
[11:03] <en1gma> this isnt a guide. its more for myself to know what the pi3 is doing
[11:04] <en1gma> unlike in any guide on how to do rpitx, pifm or pifmrds
[11:04] <en1gma> which only give warnings and absolutely no data
[11:04] <en1gma> you would think someone that makes a guide to run their software would put up some numbers instead of some noob like me right?
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[11:06] <en1gma> anyhow your welcome. i didnt have to share and i did. took my time to do it. took a whole 1hr. the guys who "wrote" the apps to Tx with a pi should have provided it shouldnt they have?
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[11:06] <en1gma> instead of giving dangerous info to ppl who know nothing about this stuff
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[11:07] <Li> is it possible to achieve this .. any usb device > rpi usb1> rpi usb2 > cable to laptop usb port .. then have rpi control the usb device by allowing or not allowing the laptop to access the device
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[11:08] <mlelstv> not really
[11:09] <mlelstv> the usb2<->laptop connection would need to be OTG
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[11:10] <mlelstv> and I don't know software that would proxy USB devices. But it shouldn't be impossible.
[11:15] <Li> is it possible to manually solder usb device to GPIO pins [control on/off] and forward the data via rpi usb port?
[11:15] <mfa298> en1gma: except those images provide no actual data.
[11:16] <mlelstv> li, does the rpi need to intercept the communication or just enable/disable it?
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[11:26] <mfa298> en1gma: and a likely reason why the authors may not have provided any power measurements is due to them knowing it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. I'd recommend getting whatever your countries equivalent of the USA Amateur Extra or UK Full/Advanced license is and then doing a bunch more reading about transmitters, transmission lines and antennas.
[11:26] <mfa298> they may well have more detail in the original write ups which you'd have to search out - the git repos are more a result of some early experimentation by a few HAMs
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[11:35] <en1gma> mfa298 as soon as i get my limesdr mini i gonna be working towards some kind of license for sure. amateur license or ham or something
[11:35] <en1gma> thanks and didnt mean to get snobby but it seems like i follow alot of guides and some have to do with Tx and none say anything about the dbmw
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[11:45] <Sepultura> Hallo
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[11:55] <Li> mlelstv: affirmative .. I want to control/prevent access to usb devicec
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[11:56] <Li> has anyone tried tomcat8 on ubuntu mate 16.04 arm? I'm not able to login into tomcat8-admin
[11:57] <mlelstv> li, yes, but which of both? :)
[11:57] <mlelstv> if you just want to disable access, you could use a switch and control it from rpi
[11:57] <mlelstv> if you need the rpi to sniff and meddle with the protocol, it gets difficult
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[12:04] <Li> mlelstv: I can't imagine the schema of the switch approach to control a usb device! beside I want to control it programmatically, the rpi will be physically inaccessable
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[12:09] <mlelstv> there are electronic switches, like a CD4066, that can be used.
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[12:10] <mlelstv> but as I said, it's like plugging in and out the USB devices, you cannot make the rpi listen to or meddle with the communication
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[12:19] <Li> aren't there any ways for linux to duplicate the usb port #2 with #1? so that the device will be hooked to usb1 and rpit switch on/off usb2
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[12:22] <Li> the CD4066 looks interesting for anyother application, I have to check the datasheet if possible to control 24vdc
[12:23] <Li> max 15vdc
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[12:38] <Sepultura> is it possible to enlarge the space with additional USB Flash drive?
[12:38] <Sepultura> my SD Card has no more space
[12:40] <BCMM> Sepultura: you can mount a USB drive just as you would mount a filesystem on any linux box. also, i think you can actually dispense with the SD and boot directly from USB on a recent enough pi
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[12:41] <Sepultura> BCMM, I can mount USB drive on / without damage for the current data?
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[12:42] <ShorTie> not really
[12:42] <BCMM> Sepultura: mounting it over / would generally break things
[12:42] <ShorTie> it gets mounted to a directory
[12:43] <Sepultura> how can I make Raspbian to install the new software on USB Drive?
[12:43] <ShorTie> mounting will ignor everything that is there
[12:43] <BCMM> Sepultura: but if, for example, you had a single large directory that was responsible for using a lot of the SD card, a database or video collection or something, then moving it to a usb stick and then mounting the usb stick on that directory would fix things without any need to reconfigure applications
[12:44] <GenteelBen> There doesn't seem to be a 12-way switched power strip/stand anywhere.
[12:44] <GenteelBen> This is a bleedin' disgrace.
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[12:48] <Sepultura> BCMM, so moving /bin to USB drive and then Mount USB Drive to /bin?
[12:49] <BCMM> Sepultura: i don't think that's gonna work
[12:49] <BCMM> because, at boot time, the system won't be able to mount anything before it has /bin/
[12:49] <BCMM> you'd need a custom initramfs to make it work, all much more trouble than its worth
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[12:51] <ShorTie> don't move, just copy
[12:51] <Sepultura> BCMM, so reconfigure apt to use /media/usbd :O
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[12:51] <ShorTie> what is there will be forgotten about after the mount
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[12:58] <Sepultura> and raspberryPi needs SD Card to boot
[12:58] <ShorTie> not all
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[13:20] <red9> I think only the 3B+ supports booting from anything non-SD ?
[13:20] <ebarch> the 3B should as well
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> the 3 (and 2nd generation 2's AFAIK) support PXE booting, however there are issues with some Ethernet switches. the improved boot code in the 3+ addressed this.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> 3's can boot via USB too (as well as 3+ models)
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[13:26] <gordonDrogon> Sepultura, you might need to read up/learn more about unix/linux. you could trivially boot a Pi (any model) off a 4GB SD card then mount TB's of data via USB over e.g. /home if you needed more space.
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[13:51] <BCMM> red9: iirc the 3 didn't boot from USB on release, but the capability was added in a bootfiles update
[13:51] <BCMM> (don't quote me on that)
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[14:00] <GenteelBen> When's the RPi 4 due? 2019?
[14:04] <ebarch> "when it's ready", I'd imagine :P
[14:08] <GenteelBen> So the year 3082
[14:08] <GenteelBen> By then we will have evolved beyond the need for single-board computers.
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[14:21] <mlelstv> https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/19/ibm-working-on-worlds-smallest-computer-to-attach-to-just-about-everything/
[14:23] <mfa298> BCMM: the firmware for USB boot is baked into the SoC - it's not something that can be changed after manufacture - with the original 3B (and newer 2B) you need to enable USB/PXE boot via an OTP bit (which might be what you're thinking of)
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> I see 'blockchain' is this years latest buzzword. (smallest computer article)
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[14:25] <mlelstv> sure, makes people give you real money.
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[14:28] <GenteelBen> blockchainDrogon
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[15:02] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[15:02] <ShapeShifter499> does the raspberry pi zero throttle when hot? do any of the raspberry pis throttle?
[15:03] <ebarch> ShapeShifter499: yup. see https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/warning-icons.md
[15:05] <mfa298> I'm not sure you can easily get the Zero hot enough to start throttling, The only model I've ever seen throttle back is the 3B (although the 3B+ may well as well - I've not played with it much yet)
[15:08] <ShapeShifter499> I had a Pogoplug case with a broken motherboard, removing the broken board leaves more than enough room for 4 pi zeros. I have connected these pis together with nylon standoffs and shoved it into the shell. I'm not sure if this will cause temperature issues
[15:09] <ShapeShifter499> looks like https://www.router-reset.com/reset-manuals/Cloud-Engines/Pogoplug-V3-POGO-P21
[15:10] <ebarch> ShapeShifter499: just run "/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp" and monitor their temps. as long as you stay below 80C, you should be okay
[15:10] <ShapeShifter499> right now one Pi is showing 54C
[15:10] <ShapeShifter499> temp=58.4'C
[15:11] <myself> huh. Putting one inside a thermal chamber would be fun :)
[15:11] <ebarch> my Pi sitting in the official case (idle) is sitting at ~54C in my 22C apartment
[15:11] <ebarch> Pi 3B+
[15:12] <myself> And the weather's finally getting warm enough that it wouldn't be obnoxious to have a dewar of LN2 sitting around...
[15:12] <myself> wanna do stupid overclocks, ebarch? :D
[15:12] <ShapeShifter499> so I could run my Pi zeros right up to 79C without any throttling? In the case any slowness I see then isn't the temp but probably the CPU speed or something else
[15:12] <mlelstv> idle temperature is harmless
[15:12] <ShapeShifter499> *this case
[15:12] <ebarch> myself: sounds like a good justification to buy a thermal camera :P
[15:12] <mlelstv> now the same please with all 4 cores running
[15:13] <ebarch> ShapeShifter499: in theory. although I'd be nervous to push it that close to the threshold, heh
[15:13] <ebarch> your Pis may last longer if you just put in a small fan
[15:13] <myself> ebarch: I only own three, maybe you're right, it's time for more..
[15:14] <ebarch> VR thermal video, perhaps?
[15:14] <myself> ^^ ++
[15:14] <ShapeShifter499> are there any cheap tiny fans that don't make much noise? I made a mistake of buying 40mm fans that could run off usb that are pretty dang loud
[15:14] <ebarch> hah. I've been there before. a lot of sites will list the dB level of their fans
[15:15] <ShapeShifter499> ebarch: I care more about the Pi NOT bursting into flames
[15:15] <ebarch> solution: add a 3rd pi with fire suppression capabilities
[15:15] <ShapeShifter499> I'd rather the Pi die *safely* due to heat if it has to come to that
[15:15] <ebarch> 5th*
[15:16] <ShapeShifter499> lawl
[15:16] <ebarch> huh. just stumbled upon https://www.quietpc.com
[15:16] <ebarch> neat
[15:17] <ebarch> there you go: https://www.quietpc.com/40mmfans
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[15:18] <ShapeShifter499> ebarch: wow, man I wish I knew about that about 2 months ago
[15:18] <myself> A little heatsink goes a long way towards giving it some thermal reservoir to tap into; if it fills that up and continues to get hotter, it'll just throttle back
[15:18] <myself> when in doubt, bolt it to more aluminum :P Get some sil-pad and call it a day.
[15:19] <ShapeShifter499> aluminum case with insulating tape in the right locations
[15:19] <ShapeShifter499> :D
[15:19] <ShapeShifter499> lol
[15:21] <myself> I got a big sheet of Bergquist Gap-Pad VO for cheap and I just cut off a square inch for everything
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[15:28] <ShapeShifter499> thanks for the link ebarch
[15:28] <ebarch> no prob =)
[15:28] <ShapeShifter499> myself: that helps for heat?
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[15:30] <myself> It helps when you need to smush a big chunk of aluminum (which is only smushy if you're a large hydraulic press) against a little chunk of hardware (which tends to shatter when you smush it), by filling the gaps between them and allowing good thermal transfer
[15:31] <Tex_Nick> looks like about 5cfm on those fans ... the equivalent of putting a butterfly in case & keeping it well fed ;-)
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[15:31] <myself> like any thermal compound, really. Just this one comes in sheets of soft material, rather than a tube of goop
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[15:53] <MarkusDBX> Youtube 720p 60hz, will it work on the new rpi?
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[16:11] <Fedder> Hi! -Any suggestions on a recipe to connect to a VPN provider automatically at boot?
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[16:26] <Kryczek> Fedder: yeah simply configure openvpn :)
[16:26] <Kryczek> Fedder: in /etc/default/openvpn you can tell Debian derivatives like Raspbian (and Ubuntu etc) what OpenVPN configurations to start at boot
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[16:49] <Fedder> kryczek: It's not openVPN, but will be a PPTP tunnel to my own router from "somewhere else"
[16:51] <Kryczek> isn't PPTP insecure?
[16:51] <Fedder> Point is, that I'll be running OpenMediaVault on the Pi to use it for off-site backup target. And have the Pi establish the PPTP tunnel to my router in order to remove any issues with NAT traversal
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[16:53] <dogbert_2> use an ssh tunnel
[16:53] <dogbert_2> i.e. port fwd
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[16:54] <Fedder> That could theoretically work, yes...
[16:54] <Kryczek> why wouldn't OpenVPN work?
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[16:56] <Kryczek> you'd have better throughput with UDP than with SSH's TCP, you'd have better security with it running with the absolute minimum privileges it needs as opposed to SSH running as root making it a juicy target, etc
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[17:01] <dogbert_2> yeah, but in a pinch, a ssh tunnel works well
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[17:05] <Kryczek> it's dangerous, especially if you might have forgotten that your RPi still has a pi account with the default "raspberry" password
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[17:08] <Fedder> I changed the pw on first boot
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[17:09] <Fedder> The idea is that my ASUS router supports PPTP and it's the only device in my house that is always on. My intention is to install the Pi at a friends place, but by using the PPTP tunnel be able to address it like a local device.
[17:10] <Fedder> Performance doesn't really matter much, as I'lll only use it for scheduled backups
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[17:26] <Kryczek> Fedder: ah yeah that makes sense :)
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[17:30] <tuxiano> Hi, I just bought an rpi3b+ and a Switch (dlink DGS-1008P), because I want to realize the power supply over PoE.
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[17:31] <tuxiano> But when I connect the rpi3b+ over ethernet with the switch nothing happens.
[17:32] <tuxiano> Are there some special requirements for the switch? Min-/Max. power output per port?
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[17:34] <tuxiano> The PoE ports can deliver up to 30W, which is more then twice as much as the power supply per USB ...
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[17:35] <leftyfb> tuxiano: the pi will not do PoE by itself
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[17:36] <mfa298> tuxiano: you need the PoE hat that's not on sale yet
[17:36] <leftyfb> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/
[17:36] <tuxiano> oh no
[17:37] <tuxiano> thank you
[17:37] <tuxiano> already were preparing to send back the switch
[17:38] <mfa298> as long as it's a 802.3af or 802.3at standard PoE then it should work when the Hat comes out (possibly May)
[17:39] <mfa298> alternatively you can get one of the alternative PoE splitters that are supposedly standard compliant and hope they work (some have issues with the GigE connection)
[17:39] <tuxiano> ok my switch is a 802.3at version
[17:40] <tuxiano> I will wait until Max
[17:40] <tuxiano> *May
[17:41] <tuxiano> its not urgent
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[17:41] <tuxiano> just wanted less cables
[17:41] <tuxiano> thank you leftyfb and mfa298
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[17:53] <john_rambo> Hi, I want to install a media center app on my raspberry Pi 2 B+ ...Which one should I choose? PLease guide me through the installation process
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[17:55] <john_rambo> Any ideas ?
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[17:58] <leftyfb> john_rambo: look at OSMC
[17:58] <mfa298> john_rambo: maybe look at libreelec
[17:58] <leftyfb> john_rambo: install the image like you would any other image
[17:59] <john_rambo> leftyfb: Using dd ? I did that before at it hang at the multicolour screen
[17:59] <john_rambo> leftyfb: PLease giveme the exact command to burn the SD card
[17:59] <Zardoz> dietpi is an option too
[17:59] <mfa298> john_rambo: what pi model are you using ? and do you have the right image (I think some dists have differing images for different pis)
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[18:00] <john_rambo> mfa298: I am using Pi 2 B+
[18:01] <mfa298> that might be you're issue as I don't think there's such a thing as a Pi2B+
[18:02] <john_rambo> mfa298: What is the way to hardware info from the Pi command line ?
[18:02] <mfa298> there's a 1B+ (update to the original Pi 1), Pi3B+ or a couple of revisions of the Pi2
[18:02] <mfa298> grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo
[18:03] <mfa298> then look up the docs on how to interpret that string
[18:03] <john_rambo> mfa298: Sorry for that question I just realized I dont have a installation to check
[18:04] <shauno> cat /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/model
[18:04] <shauno> gives you human-readable, saves groking wikis
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[18:04] <john_rambo> mfa298: Is there a way tolook at the Pi board and determine the version shauno
[18:04] <john_rambo> ?
[18:05] <mfa298> probably if you know what the variosu boards look like
[18:05] <mfa298> it might also have somethign useful printed on the board - I don't have one in front of me to check
[18:05] <shauno> yeah, most of them have something useful written on them, but it's less clear unless you're familiar with what models exist
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[18:06] <john_rambo> I am just stuck ... ANy ideas how to proceed
[18:06] <john_rambo> ?
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[18:08] <john_rambo> mfa298: shauno THis is my PI https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/
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[18:09] <mfa298> the thing to possibly check on the Pi2 is which SoC it has on it, if its more than 2 years old it'll be the 2836, if it's newer it may have the 2837.
[18:10] <mfa298> if it's the 2837 you may need an image designed for the Pi3 or a newer Pi2 image (depending on what's available)
[18:10] <mfa298> although you'd hope most things would have caught up by now
[18:11] <shauno> and yes, this is clear as mud. they don't really have a versioning scheme, they have a few themes instead
[18:11] <john_rambo> mfa298: So which version of OSMC should I download ? I have downloaded "OSMC_TGT_rbp2_20180316.img" shauno
[18:12] <john_rambo> mfa298: shauno How do I prepare the SD card ? Please give me the exact command
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[18:13] <mfa298> I have no idea, I don't use osmc.
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[18:13] <john_rambo> mfa298: WHat do u use ?
[18:13] <mfa298> the last similar thing I used is libreelec and that was over a year ago I instaled that
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[18:14] <mijk> quick question ... can I make a crossover cable for 2 Pi's doing Rx to Tx, Gnd to Gnd and 3.3V to 3.3V?
[18:14] <ebarch> mijk: no need to connect the 3.3V. just connect RX to TX (and vice versa) and GND
[18:14] <mfa298> mijk: crossover for what ?
[18:14] <ebarch> but yes, that will get you serial comms between them
[18:14] <john_rambo> mfa298: DO you remember the libreelec instllation procedure ?
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[18:15] <mfa298> john_rambo: no, as I said it was over a year ago - I would have just read the documentation
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[18:15] <ebarch> mijk: if you're using the default RX/TX pins, you'll need to disable the serial console if you want to send data between the two
[18:17] <mijk> oh great! Thanks for the info ebarch!
[18:17] <john_rambo> mfa298: Please stay with me .... Can u please point me to the exact docs ?
[18:17] <mijk> I would have wasted time on the 3.3V
[18:18] <mfa298> john_rambo: I'd imagine you can google just as well as I can.
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[18:20] <r3> john_rambo: here are the docs for installing on an SD card: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
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[18:20] <ebarch> mijk: :) yup. you just need the common ground. you'd only need to tie power together if you were trying to power one pi from another. but you'd want to use the 5V in that case.
[18:20] <ebarch> d'oh. one second too slow
[18:21] <john_rambo> r3: Thanks I am using the Libreelec usb creater
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[18:22] <r3> if you're a novice or this is your first time I *strongly* suggest following the published setup guide
[18:22] <r3> there is so much information published starting here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/
[18:23] <john_rambo> r3: Just finished writing to SD card .... Booted the PI but its stuck in the multicolour screen
[18:23] <r3> here is a tutorial on OSMC: https://howtoraspberrypi.com/media-center-osmc-raspberry-pi/
[18:24] <r3> again, I would follow, exactly, the setup guide. It's obvious that however you are doing it isn't working correctly.
[18:25] <r3> check that the SD is supported, and that the Pi is getting sufficient power. A "phone charger" is a poor choice.
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[18:26] <john_rambo> https://howtoraspberrypi.com/media-center-osmc-raspberry-pi/ .... I have tried this before but it errors out saying cant mount /dev/sdb1
[18:26] <john_rambo> r3: ^^
[18:26] <john_rambo> AT the end of the process
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[18:28] <r3> as I'm not at all familiar with OSMC, someone else might be able to help. If it is stuck on the multicolor screen that is different than it saying it cannot mount /dev/sdb1, so be clear what you are trying.
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[18:29] <john_rambo> r3: Which media center solution do u use ?
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[18:31] <r3> Amazon Fire TV. I didn't want to muck about with it. The Pi just didn't seem like a good media solution due to its speed, memory size, and various bottlenecks. It is a tremendous teaching and tinkering tool, but not a general purpose computer. In my opinion. Others have had some measure of success with it.
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[18:32] <r3> sorry, I'm sure that's not the answer you were looking for.
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[18:32] <john_rambo> r3: Okay / No problem
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[18:39] <r3> john_rambo: have you ever been able to get your Pi to boot up OK? It seems to me that if the standard NOOBs install fails, as well as the image for OSMC, there might be a larger issue.
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[18:40] <john_rambo> r3: The only way I can boot the PI successfully is using the NOOBS installer
[18:40] <john_rambo> r3: Everything else fails
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[18:40] <r3> try installing NOOBS, and can you complete the setup? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/noobs.md
[18:40] <john_rambo> r3: For example when I dd a img to SD card it gets stuck on the multicolour screen
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[18:41] <r3> the setup for NOOBS (following the page I just linked) has you format the SD card as FAT, and copy files to it.
[18:41] <john_rambo> r3: But the noobs installer no longer provides any media center solution
[18:42] <r3> once noobs finishes you will be left with Raspbian and then should be able to install OSMC from there?
[18:42] <john_rambo> r3: It offers only Raspbian
[18:43] <john_rambo> r3: YEs but the Pi runs very slow
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[18:43] <r3> maybe it is too hot and being thermally throttled? Again, I don't use it for media, and maybe that's the speed it runs at? I really don't know.
[18:45] <ebarch> john_rambo: try using https://etcher.io/ to write the SD card image
[18:45] <r3> looking at the OSMC website, it seems very straightforward. Be sure that you select the correct image for your version of Pi. If you continue to have OSMC issues, I would contact thier support.
[18:46] <john_rambo> ebarch: Does etcher work under Linux ?
[18:46] <ebarch> yup
[18:46] <john_rambo> Trying now
[18:46] <r3> this is a link to the image for a Pi 2/3/3+ for OSMC: http://download.osmc.tv/installers/diskimages/OSMC_TGT_rbp2_20180316.img.gz ... can't help more than that, sorry.
[18:48] <r3> ...that image is gzipped, right? So you must unzip it before writing it to an SD card...
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[18:53] <john_rambo> The noobs installer used to offer libreelec can anyone point me to an old image of the noobs installer ?
[18:55] <Zardoz> why old?
[18:55] <Zardoz> and why noobs blah.
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[19:03] <r3> john_rambo: I'm not sure that's the right way to go about that. Again, the downloader/installer from THIS site, https://libreelec.tv/downloads/ ... looks very straightforward. Follow the installation instructions
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[19:06] <john_rambo> r3: I already have done that ... After tranferring the image to SD card when I boot the Pi it gets stuck and the multicolour screen
[19:08] <r3> using their SD creator app?
[19:08] <john_rambo> r3: Yes
[19:08] <r3> then I would try here: https://forum.libreelec.tv/board/7-help-support/
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[19:08] <john_rambo> Okay
[19:08] <r3> er, here: https://forum.libreelec.tv/board/41-usb-sd-creator-support/
[19:09] <john_rambo> I am downloading etcher at the moment
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[20:01] <Redman276> Good afternoon all , is therean android os that is suitable for the pi 3 ?
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[20:16] <shbrngdo> google would know. literally
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[20:44] <Redman276> Mrrrr.... What is this Google you speak of , I've not heard of such a thing ....
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[21:05] <Brian1001> hi everyone
[21:06] <Brian1001> i used to play wtih the RFsniffer (433MHz) on a raspberry pi (1) and now i have the pi 2 , the sniffer still works but it just picks up the signal every now and then
[21:06] <Brian1001> when i press 20 x on a remote control , it 'hears' the signal just once ?
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[21:32] <Brian1001> hmm i just discovered that it seems to pick the 433MHz signal fine when i use my raspberry PI 433Mhz transmittor (with codesend)
[21:32] <Brian1001> but it doesnt see the 433MHz light socket signals anymore
[21:34] <shbrngdo> well a Pi 2 works at 900Mhz, maybe that's why 433Mhz doesn't work. but Pi 2 can throttle CPU speed, possibly to 433 [and that's why you occasionally see it?]
[21:34] <shbrngdo> why are you sniffing the CPU's clock freq anyway? FCC regs literally forbid these things from transmitting too much energy as an unintentional radiator, and I think CE is similar
[21:35] <shbrngdo> and I look at the board and see both FCC and CE stamps so they comply
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> CE's not really about radio emissions from what I recall.
[21:36] <shbrngdo> right they mostly focus on things like no lead, no cadmium, and a few other irritating requirements. but I think radio emissions is part of it [or else the FCC part is enough]
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[21:36] <gordonDrogon> however there is still the possibility of additional RF interferance from the Pi2 - can you move the antenna further away?
[21:37] <Brian1001> yes Gordon, i think you're right
[21:37] <shbrngdo> harmonics. 3rd harmonic in particular.
[21:37] <Brian1001> it seems to work well when i hold the remote right against the receiver
[21:37] <Brian1001> then it keeps picking up the signal
[21:38] <shbrngdo> if you have a resonant antenna then it might work from farther away
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[21:38] <shbrngdo> or directional + resonant
[21:38] <Brian1001> i have to hold the remote against the reciever lol , im gonna check the antenna
[21:39] <Brian1001> strange
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[21:42] <shbrngdo> well if you want to transmit on 433mhz why not just build an RF modulator and amplifier and be done with it? synthesis modulators aren't that difficult and you can probably buy something that will do the freqs you want. of course it'd be unlicensed, so YMMV on legality
[21:43] <shbrngdo> in the USA with the exception of certain bands, 100mw or less is "ok".
[21:43] <shbrngdo> that would be transmitted power at the antenna compensated for directionality gain
[21:44] <shbrngdo> a dipole is 3db as I recall, so a 9db antenna would only let you transmit 33mw [as I understand it]
[21:44] <Brian1001> i have a 433MHz remote which controls the lights here , the distance is 10 meters
[21:45] <shbrngdo> so you think the RPi is interfering? or was?
[21:45] <Brian1001> i used to use a raspberry pi to control them (7 meters distance, but i think this 433MHz reciver board might have a problem, as it only picks up the signal of the remote when i hold the rmote against the receiver board
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[21:46] <Brian1001> no , there is distance between the pi and the 433MHz reciver board
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[21:46] <shbrngdo> and you're deliberately using the RPis clock freq to do this? [or ?]
[21:46] <Brian1001> i dont know to be honest, i followed Gordon's webpage to install 433Mhz tools :)
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[21:47] <Brian1001> i compiled the /433Utils/RPi_utils
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a webpage on 433Mhz stuff. must be another Gordon.
[21:52] <Brian1001> i think i used your instructions to install wiringPi then
[21:52] <Brian1001> im not sure
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> it's already installed with Raspbian.
[21:57] <shbrngdo> yah I looked for that web page andd couldn't find it
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[21:58] <shbrngdo> oh... it's for a specific bunch of hardware for 433mhz - got it
[21:59] <shbrngdo> installed with raspbian automatically? good idea
[21:59] <Comet> any of you folks have any luck using libSDL2 apps in the console without Xorg?
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[22:00] <shbrngdo> wow - SDL for the console. I've never been successful with that on any platform, actually. never tried to do much
[22:00] <Comet> shbrngdo i have a feeling it's probably the debian package that's causing most of the problems.. there's a lot of flags that can be set when compiling from source.
[22:00] <shbrngdo> to test that I'd need to connect the Pi to a monitor+keyboard though
[22:01] <Comet> was gonna try compiling libSDL2 on a fresh Lite installation and see what happens.
[22:01] <Comet> things like: ./configure --host=arm-raspberry-linux-gnueabihf --disable-video-opengl --disable-video-x11 --disable-pulseaudio --disable-esd --disable-video-mir --disable-video-wayland
[22:01] <shbrngdo> I would suggest doing that. run the configure script and try building, see if you need to patch, etc.
[22:02] <shbrngdo> yeah disabling wayland. that should be the default. in fact, let's just kill it to death.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> I use SDL1.3 on a console app. not yet migrated to 2 though.
[22:02] <Comet> rofl
[22:02] <Comet> well here goes nothing i suppose
[22:03] <shbrngdo> at the very least you should get VGA capability, or even SVGA
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> I have read issues concerning sdl2 on pure console stuff, once day I'll test it myself.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> I get full HD on a Pi in console mode with 1.3
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> 1920x1080
[22:03] <Comet> nice
[22:03] <shbrngdo> that is nice, yeah
[22:04] <Comet> i'd love to get X outta the question entirely, to use SunVox in the console.
[22:04] <Comet> performance has to be better..
[22:04] <shbrngdo> well video performance would be slightly better, yeah, without the xvideo [or other extensions] as a layer
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> 1.3 doesn't acellerate anything, but mcmcpy is fairly fast.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> *memcpy
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> my app. is pure 2D anyway - just wants to poke pixels at the screen...
[22:05] <shbrngdo> but since the extensions use shared memory blocks [to the best of my knowledge] and whatever magic the video driver has [like mpeg decoding, when available] then it's hard to say whether you have any real performance boost
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> it might be nice if I could leverage the gpu as a old-fashioned blitter though.
[22:06] <shbrngdo> well, that's what the X11 drivers do internally, and Xorg has extensions for "all of that" fro what I can tell
[22:06] <shbrngdo> so yeah SDL might not be up to par for individual hardware implementations
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> maybe I could just have used X ... way back I thought it might be portable ...
[22:06] <Comet> luckily i'm not looking for fancy graphics, but hoping to just speed up the boot time and decrease CPU utilization.
[22:06] <shbrngdo> SDL is supposed to be portable, yeah
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> SDL seemed the easiest way to poke pixels at a screen though.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> and it's handy to be able to run it in a window though.
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[22:07] <shbrngdo> you cuold speed up boot times other ways, like getting rid of systemd [which claims the opposite] . ok horse may become undead if I keep this up
[22:07] <shbrngdo> also boot into console and run startx instead of boot into gdm
[22:07] <shbrngdo> or xdm or whatever 'dm' it's using
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> boot? I boot a Pi into my RTB Basic ( the SDL app) in under 5 seconds ...
[22:08] <shbrngdo> I forget how long FreeBSD takes - under a minute if I eliminate the pauses for keyboard interrupt and boot select
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> would be much quicker, but I want a keyboard, filesystem and mouse..
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> I boot a Pi 0 into a full system (no X) running my PDP-8 emulator in about 20 seconds.
[22:08] <shbrngdo> here's the thing: if you compile your own kernel, and only include devices that you really have, boot times become MEGA faster
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> I used to do that ...
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> those were the days...
[22:09] <shbrngdo> so you know what I mean
[22:09] <Comet> well, ideally i just want SunVox to be the only thing that loads on the Pi.. in a headless configuration.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> dying art.
[22:09] <Comet> but it requires so many deps
[22:09] <shbrngdo> yeah all of those 3rd party monolithic libs that provide "some functionality" it needs. i hate that.
[22:09] <Comet> it barely worked in the console with libSDL1, but the latest release now requires v2
[22:10] <Comet> now i just get the "no video device" error everytime i start it. so hoping a clean compile might fix it up
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[22:13] <Comet> i've recompiled a the kernel a few times on the Pi. just took so damn long, and i'm too scared to cross compile.
[22:14] <ali1234> hw fast do you want it to be?
[22:15] <ali1234> you will have a tough time getting below 10 seconds on pi, simply due to how slow SD cards are
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[22:17] <Comet> 10-20 seconds would be more than adequate. heck, the Pi 3 seems to boot up in about 11-15 seconds on Stretch Lite
[22:17] <Comet> so i'm fine with that, just don't like seeing X load, when i know i don't even use it ;)
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[22:36] <Comet> shbrngdo holy poop, it worked
[22:37] <Comet> compiled with those flags i mentioned earlier, ran ldconfig, and sunvox loads right up in the console now
[22:37] <Comet> even the mouse and keyboard works right outta the gate.
[22:37] <Comet> surprising...
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[22:39] <shbrngdo> could be the console-only package has dependencies in your 'without' list
[22:40] <shbrngdo> and maybe there are 'without-x11' versions of THOSE, but tracking down how to install that is way too difficult
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[22:55] <Brian1001> im checking the option to connect a relay to ifttt service / webhooks
[22:56] <Brian1001> if the garage port is open sent message to cellphone etc
[22:56] <Brian1001> looks interesting
[22:58] <pixalot> my pi3 rebooted the other day and now the wireless isn't working. iw list errors out with "nl80211 not found." Any suggestions?
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[23:07] <pixalot> I'm thinking the modules didn't get upgraded properly with the latest kernel
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[23:16] <maarhart`> shauno: could you give me the full command for the --one-file-system version?
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[23:27] <pixalot> my pi is running kernel 4.9.80-v7+ and /lib/modules only has two folders for 4.14.30. How do I get the folder that matches the running kernel?
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[23:28] <mfa298> pixalot: you should get matching kernel and modules through apt, although if you've done an apt-get upgrade recently you might need to reboot
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[23:30] <pixalot> mfa298, thanks. I've done that, just prior to posting. Shouldn't the raspberrypi-kernel package have that folder in it?
[23:30] <pixalot> I suppose I could unpack the pkg and look.
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[23:32] <mfa298> pixalot: yes, but the most recent kernel is 4.14, which would suggest your /lib/modules has been updated but you're still booted on an older kernel
[23:32] <mfa298> hence the suggestion to reboot
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[23:37] <pixalot> mfa298, makes sense. This must have to do with that I'm booting from a USB drive. I bet updating the kernel overwrote something.
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[23:38] <mfa298> if you've not got the right /boot mounted then that might explain things.
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[23:53] <pixalot> mfa298, that's correct. I mounted p1 of the sd card and copied the current /boot to it. rebooted and that borked it :-/
[23:54] <pixalot> I'll have to re-image the sd card
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[23:58] <dogbert_2> need to order the Pi 3B+ :)

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