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IRC Log for 2018-04-03

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[0:00] <programmerq> yes, bs=1m
[0:00] <ShorTie> then use Etcher
[0:00] <programmerq> hmmm
[0:00] <programmerq> I just popped this sd card back into another computer and it's not being recognized. That might explain it.
[0:01] <mfa298> I'd expct any decent SD to write at 10MByte/s (or better), if it took 6 hours something is really wrong
[0:01] <programmerq> tried a different adapter and still no dice. I guess that's my answer then.
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[0:02] <programmerq> that was the last card I had handy too, so I guess I have to order another one.
[0:02] <ShorTie> you might need sdformator too...
[0:04] <ShorTie> a 3b+ can be a usb stick too
[0:04] <stiltr> You can go usb also if you can borrow an sd card
[0:04] <stiltr> ^that
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[0:06] <mfa298> you can even network boot, although that take a bit more setup, then you dont need an SD or USB
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[0:08] <programmerq> have to boot the pi at least once with an sd card to configure usb or network boot.
[0:09] <programmerq> I wonder if updating my raspbian on my pi 2 would allow that card to boot on the 3
[0:09] <ShorTie> not the 3B+ i do believe
[0:09] <ShorTie> it should
[0:09] <mfa298> programmerq: not the 3B+, the OTP bits for that are set at the factory
[0:10] <mfa298> as long as the pi2 is running stretch apt will get all the required stuff, if you used NOOBS or it's running jessie then it's more involved to update it for the 3B+
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[0:29] <Owner> OTP ?
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[0:30] <stiltr> Owner: OneTimeProgrammable
[0:30] <Owner> hmm
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[0:30] <Owner> are there any unique ids besides MAC address on these?
[0:30] <Owner> even though mac probably isnt unique
[0:30] <stiltr> There's a serial number
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[0:30] <Owner> how do i access it
[0:31] <Owner> theres no dmidecode :/
[0:31] <stiltr> Depends on the distro. If you're luck, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[0:31] <Owner> really...
[0:31] <mfa298> serial number is about as unique as it gets (although I'm not sure if they're fully unique), mac addresses are generated from the serial
[0:31] <stiltr> ^that
[0:32] <Owner> both eth and wlan are from the serial?
[0:33] <stiltr> I think it's eth, but I'm not sure now. = )
[0:33] <Owner> heck yeah, i see it
[0:33] <mfa298> generated from it, I think eth0 is very similar and wlan does some transposition
[0:33] <{HD}> is raspi3 over xrdp really slow or is it just my setup somehow?
[0:34] <Owner> yeek...dunno
[0:34] <stiltr> Owner: You can also read it with vcgencmd. May be more usefull depending on your use case.
[0:34] <Owner> i like Xvfb + x11vnc
[0:34] <Owner> stiltr: interesting
[0:35] <Owner> never heard of that command
[0:35] <{HD}> oh wow, xvfb is new to me
[0:35] <Owner> you can run entire headless x
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[0:36] <Owner> with two common tools, if you want
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[0:37] <Owner> /usr/bin/x11vnc -noipv6 -shared -forever $3 -display $1 -ncache_cr -noxdamage -rfbport $2
[0:37] <Owner> /usr/bin/Xvfb $1 -screen 0 $2 -nolisten tcp -shmem &
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[0:37] <Owner> DISPLAY=:"$displayNum" "$progDir"/"$progExe" $progOpts
[0:38] <Owner> gotta fill in your values manually
[0:39] <{HD}> Yep gotta do something different. My box just went unresponsive while not doing anything. I don't know what the hangup is...
[0:39] <Owner> check dmesg
[0:40] <{HD}> can't. I guess I could walk downstairs and plug a monitor into it.
[0:41] <Owner> could be sd card dying
[0:41] <Owner> if its freezing, but i dont know
[0:41] <{HD}> That would be nice. Certainly would be easier to replace and SD card then setup a new infrastructure.
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[1:57] <seanicus> hello everybody
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[1:59] <seanicus> I just installed my pi, and I noticed it has wireless. My desktop computer does not. So I was wondering if I could use my pi to "relay" streaming from netflix, amazon, etc, to my chromecast
[1:59] <seanicus> When I tried an online search, I kept getting results for different topics altogether. Thank you!
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[2:02] <HrdwrBoB> er
[2:02] <HrdwrBoB> you want to use your pi as an access point
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[2:02] <seanicus> HrdwrBoB: As a wireless access point? No.
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[2:03] <seanicus> I want to connect to it via ssh through ethernet and issue commands through the cli to get it to stream to my chromecast
[2:04] <HrdwrBoB> to get what to stream
[2:04] <seanicus> netflix, amazon prime, hulu, whatever
[2:04] <seanicus> Any of them would be great
[2:04] <HrdwrBoB> but these already have streaming via chromecast
[2:04] <HrdwrBoB> push button, recieve streaming
[2:05] <HrdwrBoB> I do it literally every day
[2:05] <seanicus> I don't understand what you mean.
[2:05] <seanicus> You mean pressing the cast button on the app? Yes, I understand that. Otherwise, I don't know what you mean
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[2:08] <HrdwrBoB> what are you trying to do that's different to what you can do by casting it from chrome or the app
[2:08] <seanicus> I can't cast it from chrome.
[2:08] <seanicus> Because my desktop doesn't have wireless.
[2:08] <seanicus> So I want to use the pi as an intermediary
[2:09] <HrdwrBoB> ? it just has to be on the same network
[2:09] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't need wireless
[2:10] <seanicus> You connect to the chromecast wirelessly
[2:10] <seanicus> no?
[2:10] <seanicus> there's no ethernet cord running to my chromecast
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[2:15] <HrdwrBoB> er
[2:16] <HrdwrBoB> that's just a transport medium
[2:16] <HrdwrBoB> you can have wireless and wired devices on the same network
[2:18] <seanicus> i know that
[2:19] <seanicus> but isnt chromecast a point-to-point typology?
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[2:30] <stiltr> seanicus: I believe it can operate that way, but the standard way is to just connect it to your wireless network and then everybody on the network (wired or wireless) can stream to it.
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[2:36] <HrdwrBoB> seanicus: er
[2:36] <HrdwrBoB> what do you mean point to pouint
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[2:37] <HrdwrBoB> also the chromecast works over IP
[2:37] <stiltr> I _think_ he means WiFi Direct or whatever it is.
[2:37] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't know if IP coming to it is from a wifi source or a fixed source
[2:37] <HrdwrBoB> that's the entire point of layering networks
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[2:39] <seanicus> Whoa. Okay, I finally figured it out. You guys are completely right. Sorry about that!
[2:39] <stiltr> = D
[2:39] <seanicus> It took me a while to figure out how to install chrome ont his desktop to use it. Thank you guys! Sorry fo rthe pi-irrelevant qustion, but ill have more I'm sure
[2:40] <HrdwrBoB> 99% of questions in here aren't pi specific
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[2:40] <seanicus> I thought there were "media center" libraries for pi that would help with my problem
[2:40] <HrdwrBoB> and 80% of them probably are because people are trying to put a pi shaped solution into a differently shaped problem
[2:41] <seanicus> Essentially I Thoguht you NEEDED a wireless device of some sort to connect to the chromecast's wireless directly
[2:42] <stiltr> On the new Chromecasts you don't even need to run the CC wirelessly.
[2:42] <stiltr> Well the Ultra, anyway.
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> I just got an amazon echo
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> sadly, I can't control the chromecast from it
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[2:43] <stiltr> Bummer
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> tempting to get the google home as well and play them off against each other
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[2:43] <stiltr> Haha, that could be entertaining.
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> it's been done
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[2:49] <stiltr> I've got a couple of the home mini's, but I can't think of any use for them at the moment.
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[2:54] <tfgbd_> Does anyone here have a working KVM setup?
[2:56] <HrdwrBoB> I threw mine out
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[2:57] <HrdwrBoB> generally don't need it except to get it working straight off, and even then
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[3:24] <foul_owl> Is there a way I can blink the "OK" led in a certain pattern so I can identify which physical pi I'm sshed into?
[3:25] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12530
[3:26] <foul_owl> That is outdated
[3:26] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7335
[3:26] <foul_owl> Already saw it. The result of doing "cat /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger" does not match that post
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[3:27] <foul_owl> I'm able to ssh into all my machines headless, no problem
[3:27] <HrdwrBoB> you can always add your own LED
[3:27] <foul_owl> I just need to identify which is which..
[3:27] <HrdwrBoB> which would make it trivial
[3:28] <HrdwrBoB> you really only need to identify them once
[3:28] <HrdwrBoB> after which surely you could label them
[3:28] <HrdwrBoB> which a simple power on/off process would do
[3:28] * extor just realized that his remote dedi probably does not have a video card and as such cannot be used as a box that can run bluestacks or nox emulator
[3:28] <HrdwrBoB> and take less time than researching the issue
[3:28] <foul_owl> I have services I can't take offline though
[3:28] <HrdwrBoB> ericus: don't be so limited
[3:29] <foul_owl> Blinking LED seems like the best option tbh
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[3:29] <HrdwrBoB> or
[3:29] <HrdwrBoB> login, run dd off the SD card
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[3:29] <HrdwrBoB> watch for the disk usage light to go full
[3:29] <foul_owl> Ooo
[3:29] <foul_owl> That is very smart
[3:30] <foul_owl> Thank you :)
[3:30] <HrdwrBoB> :)
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[3:37] <poolson> WOOT !
[3:37] <poolson> whats NEW people ???
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[4:20] <redrabbit> what's up doctor
[4:20] <redrabbit>
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[6:51] <Ben64> what's the easiest way to just read some SPI data from a device
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[7:01] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[7:01] <HrdwrBoB> connect it up
[7:01] <HrdwrBoB> use an spi library
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[7:03] <Ben64> can you be more specific?
[7:03] <Ben64> google gives me many conflicting results
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[7:12] <HrdwrBoB> could you be more specific
[7:12] <HrdwrBoB> 'device'
[7:13] <HrdwrBoB> https://raspberrypi-aa.github.io/session3/spi.html like this
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[7:39] <Ben64> now my pi doesn't boot :(
[7:42] <poolson> oh no
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[7:47] <Ben64> what the hell
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, SPI is relatively easy, but every device needs different runes - what device are you trying to read from?
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[14:35] <BillD73> I'm about to take the plunge and grab 3 new 3 B+ kits. Curious as to what bluetooth keyboards others are using that function well out of the box. trackpad or separate mouse etc. Primary usage will be OSMC/Kodi dual boot with a lightweight desktop arch for kids.
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[14:36] <Habbie> in general the bluetooth stuff is very well standardised
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[14:38] <BillD73> ok. safe to assume keyboard would be active as soon as bluetooth powers up? kinda like a usb wireless? or would it have to wait for the OS to be running?
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[14:43] <Owner> anyone compiled the kernel?
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[14:43] <mfa298> BillD73: I'm pretty sure you'll need the OS booted and the keyboard paired - as it standard with most bluetooth devices.
[14:45] <mfa298> and pairing tends to require some action on the Pi end. If you want something to just work without any setup then look at a wireless/RF keyboard rather than bluetooth (often work on the same band and in a similar way but different protocol)
[14:45] <BillD73> hmm guess I will just go with the usb wireless one then as it works well with a linux tower I have
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[14:51] <Owner> i downloaded the kernel tar.gz off github once and it was like corrupted
[14:52] <Owner> download again and i see a wget message ive never seen before
[14:52] <Owner> 'Read error at byte 20971520 (Success).Retrying."
[14:53] <Owner> but its still downloading
[14:53] <Owner> i used wget -c
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[14:53] <Owner> either way, never seen a read error
[14:57] <NowhereMan> how does a failure = (Success)?
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[14:57] <NowhereMan> perhaps "Success" means something different in India?
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[14:58] <HrdwrBoB> GREAT SUCCESS
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[15:00] <Owner> yeah well...im extracting it again to see if it downloaded properly THIS TIME
[15:01] <Habbie> NowhereMan, it tends to mean that software tries to print an error in a situation where errno is not usefully set
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[15:07] <Owner> well
[15:07] <Owner> anyway
[15:07] <Owner> it failed to extract again
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[15:08] <NowhereMan> check your disk space?
[15:08] * NowhereMan shrugs
[15:08] <Owner> yeah its fine
[15:08] <Owner> getting CRC error
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[15:09] <Owner> different checksum
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[15:10] <Owner> so two downloads failed
[15:10] <Owner> thats weird
[15:12] <NowhereMan> transfer archive to a windows machine and see what 7zip does with it
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[15:14] <Owner> i fixed it
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[15:14] <Owner> dont mount your filesystems with sync on rpi, got it...
[15:15] <Owner> lol
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[15:15] <Owner> thats the point of a journal i guess
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[15:19] <TandyUK> wellnice news on the model 3b+, but wtf is with the poe a) requireing a seperate module and b) 'coming soon'
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[15:20] <TandyUK> this was looking like really good news for clusters until i figured out that they dont actually support poe without additions
[15:20] <TandyUK> and also the pictures of the poe hat seem to indicate you lose access to the expansion pins when its connected
[15:20] <Owner> gunzip -c /proc/config.gz > .config; make oldconfig; make menuconfig
[15:21] <Owner> so far so good
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[15:22] <mfa298> TandyUK: beacuse adding PoE costs money that most people don't (or can't) use. I believe the delay is down to finding a suitable manufacture time (these things can take months to schedule)
[15:23] <BCMM> TandyUK: it requires a separate board because it's a bunch of relatively large and expensive parts that most people will never use
[15:24] <BCMM> what they've added to the pi itself is essentially just a nice way to break out the 48V from the cable
[15:24] <BCMM> but the actual voltage conversion will be performed by the addon board
[15:25] <TandyUK> 802.11af i guess
[15:25] <TandyUK> or is it 'passive poe' aka not POE at all
[15:25] <TandyUK> all i see on the addon board, is a transformer
[15:25] <TandyUK> but theyre not the greatest photos
[15:26] <mfa298> considering the link is GigE it's got to be a proper standard as you don't have the spare pairs for the cheap not really PoE options
[15:26] <TandyUK> good point
[15:27] <TandyUK> it sounded like an awesome idea for clusters, till we discover the stupid hat that will actually do more harm to cooling than good
[15:27] <TandyUK> nd that pointless little fan
[15:27] <Owner> does rpi frequency scale?
[15:27] <mfa298> I think you mean 802.3af (and maybe even 802.3at), 802.11 tends to be wifi related things
[15:27] <TandyUK> sorry yeah, youre right
[15:27] <TandyUK> 802.11 is wifi lol
[15:27] <BillD73> whats the consensus on the highest quality/reliability MicroSD cards for the Pi's?
[15:27] <BCMM> TandyUK: so its still a grand improvement over the situation before, which looked like this https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SZSqNAjeL._SX385_.jpg
[15:28] <BCMM> also, how on earth is passive PoE not PoE?
[15:28] <TandyUK> passive poe is just random voltage applied to a couple of the pairs
[15:28] <mfa298> somewhere they suggested the fan is probably controllable (not sure if that's just on/off or speed control as well) which might actually be good if you're planning on stacking them more densly
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> it's just terminology. passive is simply putting a random voltage on the wires.
[15:29] <TandyUK> proper POE require negotiation to turn it on, rather than just frying non-poe devices
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> "proper" PoE uses a form of signalling and negotiation.
[15:29] <TandyUK> what id be most interested to know though,
[15:30] <TandyUK> is could we just use the poe header o nthe new rpi to provide regulated 5/12/whatever voltage it needs
[15:30] <BCMM> non-PoE devices are not supposed to blow up just because of a bit of DC on the line...
[15:30] <TandyUK> whether we're using poe or not?
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> TandyUK, yes - sure - the 4 pins go to the 4 center taps of the magnetics in the socket.
[15:30] <TandyUK> BCMM: "not supposed to" doesnt mean "doesnt" lol
[15:30] <BCMM> right, but in that case, it's not the fault of the PoE system
[15:30] <mfa298> TandyUK: the 4 PoE pins are just the center taps from the transformer magnetics (i.e. the centre tap from each pair)
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[15:31] <TandyUK> if its passive poe, its not poe.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> however what you get is ~48v, so needs massaging to 5/12/etc.
[15:31] <BCMM> it's just a device that was going to blow up the next time there was an electrical storm anywhere vaguely near the building anyway
[15:31] <TandyUK> POE is 802.3af/at compliant
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[15:31] <TandyUK> still makes slightly better use for clusters though
[15:31] <TandyUK> just losing the usb power input allows much greater density
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> since there is absolutely zero point in a Pi cluster, this is really aimed at other uses.
[15:32] <BCMM> all sorts of remote sensing stuff will be easier too
[15:32] <BCMM> (not just ip cams)
[15:32] <TandyUK> oh i dunno, we have plans for an rpi hosting cluster
[15:32] <IT_Sean> .... To what end?
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> "lol" >- TandyUK
[15:32] <TandyUK> rather than sellign vms, we can sell dedicated pi nodes, which isnt therefore sharing cpu with any other vm
[15:33] <mfa298> from memory 802.3af does include an option similar to "passive poe" (i.e. unused pairs on fast ethernet), but (i think) it's the device that's supposed to decide how to take power, it's not up to the device providing power to determine how it's provided.
[15:33] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: i mean, there's possibly an educational purpose, as it's about the cheapest way to build a cluster of real hardware
[15:33] <TandyUK> and the density we can get is already better than some blade chassis
[15:33] <BCMM> but "density" doesn't matter at all there
[15:33] <mfa298> so the cheapy splitter cables only handle part of the proper PoE standard
[15:33] <TandyUK> i was really excited by the poe bit, as it means all we'd need is enough poe switches integrated into our chassis
[15:33] <TandyUK> but alas, its not that simple :P
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> why not? just buy the PoE header, plug it onto the Pi and off you go ..
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[15:35] <TandyUK> but that hat interferes with the cooling , if the hat was _just_ the poe bit, it would be a lot better imho
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> the hat has a fan.
[15:35] <TandyUK> yes, which is what interferes, thats not the direction we want air moving
[15:35] <Matt> I'd be surprised if you can get better effective compute density with raspis vs virtualization on x86
[15:35] <TandyUK> its also so small its virtually pointless to start off with
[15:35] <BCMM> i mean, like, take the fan off?
[15:35] <BCMM> if you already have an external system for moving air
[15:36] <TandyUK> you miss the point, its still time and money required to do the taking off
[15:36] <TandyUK> 10x better if there were 2 poe hats imho, one with the silly fan, and one that is _just_ the poe electronics
[15:37] <TandyUK> then noone is buying the fan or paying for it to be fitted, and then removed
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> just design your own then.
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[15:37] <BCMM> it's possible that the intended market wasn't people building HPC setups out of relatively low-end ARM cores
[15:37] <mfa298> TandyUK: as I said above, someone did say at some point you can turn the fan off, also we don't know what's on the other side of the board so there might well be good reason to include it.
[15:38] <mfa298> if the HAT uses most of the space for the circuitry you could be in a worse position if they hadn't included any fan.
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[15:38] <mfa298> until we can actually buy them (maybe next month) then everything is pure guesswork
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[15:45] <rocketmagnet> hi all
[15:46] <rocketmagnet> i'm new to the rasperry pi and i got myself a very cheap LCD (320x200) display, now my question is how can i make this not the primary display but so i can use it as a secondary screen for programming with python, can you give me some hints ?
[15:46] <rocketmagnet> 320x480
[15:47] <Hercules> what exactly you wanna do?
[15:47] <rocketmagnet> when i just plug it in the display shows completely white
[15:47] <Hercules> You don't wanna use that lcd?
[15:47] <Hercules> and get onto a monitor?
[15:47] <Hercules> or you wanna use laptop screen for it?
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[15:47] <rocketmagnet> i want to write a small interface for the r-pi, because i'm using it as a router and it would be handsome if i can watch the connections etc. etc.
[15:48] <rocketmagnet> i want just python programming output be able to use so i can write a small interface for the router
[15:48] <Hercules> you could run a vnc server
[15:48] <Hercules> if you need gui
[15:49] <rocketmagnet> so i connect with teamview or nvc and then use the LCD to change settings of the router (for example block all incoming packages from x.x.x.x)
[15:49] <rocketmagnet> or see the number of connections
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[15:49] <rocketmagnet> like a router with an advanced interface with the LCD
[15:49] <pksato> rocketmagnet: If its is a propper LCD to use with raspberry pi, just find name/model and put on google/bing/etc to find the documentation.
[15:50] <rocketmagnet> does i need the SKU: searil number ?
[15:51] <BillD73> so I'm look at the Samsung EVO Select 64GB MicroSD cards. Seem like decent cards? Any cons toward them?
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[15:53] <onetruelamb> Hi guys was try to add some cooling to my pi so I bought a case that had a fan and some heat sinks. But I read somewhere online that some of these cheap heat sinks are actually just a gimmick and use 2 sided tape instead of actual thermal compound. After looking at mine I am worried that they are bad. Is there any real way to tell? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0756RLGRH/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[15:56] <BCMM> onetruelamb: really no way to tell, unless you trust that particular seller
[15:56] <BCMM> i wouldn't even expect stuff on amazon to necessarily match the pictures
[15:57] <IT_Sean> .. ... smh
[15:58] <NowhereMan> yes, because BCMM is 100% correct....
[15:58] <onetruelamb> BCMM: Okay well I have it in front of me. It does match the picture.
[15:58] <onetruelamb> Is there a reputable place to get heatsinks?
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[15:59] <BCMM> oh right, you already have it
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Raspi heat sinks serve one purpose only: to relieve idiots of their money.
[15:59] <BCMM> onetruelamb: well, you could stress-test the pi with and without it, see what difference it makes
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[16:00] <BCMM> IT_Sean: a raspberry pi will run fine without a heat sink, for most purposes. but a pi 3 *will* perform better with one
[16:00] <BCMM> its just that very few users actually need much in the way of CPU performance
[16:01] <onetruelamb> I am using it as a retro pi and it does indeed get pretty hot
[16:01] <Hercules> hey, I bought a wifi TP-Link TL-WN823N
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[16:02] <Hercules> do ya think if it will be okay running 24x7?
[16:02] <mfa298> onetruelamb: pretty hot to you isn't the same as pretty hot to the SoC. Your fingers probably won't like 50C, the Pi will be happy at 79C
[16:03] <onetruelamb> So i dont need to cool it?
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[16:05] <Hercules> anyone?
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[16:05] <Hercules> Will TP-Link TL-WN823N be okay with running 24/7?
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[16:11] <GenteelBen> aibohphobia: Rotherham?
[16:11] <r3> Hercules: I don't see why not.
[16:11] <Hercules> I was just wondering
[16:11] <Hercules> never done before
[16:12] <GenteelBen> Hercules: every router is designed to run 24/7.
[16:12] <Hercules> that not a router
[16:12] <Hercules> its a usb wifi adapter
[16:12] <Hercules> lel
[16:12] <GenteelBen> @______@
[16:12] <GenteelBen> Yes every piece of electronics equipment except maybe HDDs are designed to run 24/7.
[16:13] <r3> and I run my HDDs (at least the old spinning rust ones) 24/7
[16:13] <Hercules> I see :x
[16:13] <junka> how can i connect a pi and an old tv?
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> not everything. try telling that to some capacitors for example. also; things are made to a price point these days.
[16:13] <GenteelBen> r3 their MTBFs are calculated assuming like 8 hours of power-on a day, assuming they're non-enterprise models.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> junka, if the TV has composite video in (yellow RCA socket) then you can use that.
[16:14] <GenteelBen> IT_Sean doesn't the RPi 3 get kinda hot?
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[16:15] <Hercules> maybe because its 64
[16:15] <Hercules> plus wifi
[16:15] <Hercules> plus bluetooth
[16:15] <r3> junka: using the composite video (yellow) output on the Pi
[16:16] <r3> junka: now which Pi will change that answer
[16:16] <junka> 3b+
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> r3, moderns Pi's no-longer have that socket - it's part of the 3.5mm audio socket now.
[16:17] <r3> gordonDrogon, I am aware, I just wanted junka to say WHICH Pi was in question ;)
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> still depends on his TV though.
[16:17] <r3> junka: here's an article that might help: [ https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=165943 ] ... you will need a special cable
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[16:18] <r3> or you can look for an HDMI adaptor, I've seen them output to RCA, if memory serves
[16:19] <IT_Sean> That would have to be an active adapter... RCA connectors are for analog signals, hdmi is all digital.
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[16:20] <r3> yes, IT_Sean, it is.
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[16:21] <IT_Sean> Why whizz money away on an active converter when you can just use the combo-jack w/ the correct cable?
[16:21] <junka> so that socket does A & V ?
[16:21] <r3> just pointing out an alternative, that's all.
[16:21] <IT_Sean> Yes, the minijack does video, audio left, and audio right. (And gnd)
[16:22] <r3> I think this cable will work: http://a.co/79fM4HW
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[16:22] <Habbie> r3, many cables you can buy have the pins in the wrong order though
[16:22] <Habbie> r3, the one i bought had that as well, it is useless
[16:23] <mfa298> r3: with the word camcorder in the main description I wouldnt put money on that as a bet.
[16:23] <junka> Habbie; yes first comment confirms your statement lol
[16:23] <Habbie> yes
[16:23] <Habbie> just saw it :)
[16:23] <Habbie> but i don't see the problem
[16:24] <Habbie> just swap the colors in this case
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[16:24] <Habbie> i managed to buy one that has ground in the wrong place, then nothing works
[16:24] <mfa298> there's at least three standards for that type of cable, one doesn't work at all, one you need to swap the yellow and red connectors (video on red, right audio on yello)
[16:24] <Habbie> i.e. https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Model-B-Plus-Audio-Video-Jack-Diagram.png
[16:25] <junka> thank you all :D
[16:26] <r3> jeez, I just grabbed the first one that looked about right. Google it your own self next time. The initial product description was a 80% match, and if the colors are wacky just use a DMM to be sure you're plugging it in correctly.
[16:28] <Habbie> DMM?
[16:28] <IT_Sean> Digital multimeter.
[16:28] <Habbie> ah
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[16:32] <r3> and this is similar to the HDMI adapter I mentioned: [ http://r.ebay.com/spGzyg ] ... the resulting quality suffers, of course, from the signal conversion, but it would do in a pinch.
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[16:46] <rocketmagnet> hi again
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[16:48] <rocketmagnet> i got the LCD working, now i need to know how to programm it with python, i've searched the web but i can't find any source that would explain the basics i need to know, i'm programming for a longer time but the raspberry PI is knew for me, i hope you guys can give me some hints
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[16:49] <rocketmagnet> the LCD is an "3.5 Inch 480x320LCD Display with Touch Screen XPT2046"
[16:50] <rocketmagnet> where can i find information / python libraries to access the device ?
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[17:39] <bkchr> Hi, I'm currently trying to create a rtsp server with gstreamer, but I'm failing to get it working :( Does someone has pipeline that works?
[17:40] <bkchr> `v4l2src ! video/x-h264, width=1280, height=720, framerate=30/1,profile=high ! h264parse ! rtph264pay name=pay0 pt=96` that is my current pipeline
[17:49] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/piroverd/blob/master/main.cpp#L117
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[18:08] <repz_> Hi there, is anyone aware of a 'stable' 64bit unix distro ?
[18:08] <repz_> My goal is just to port a docker image do v8x64
[18:08] <repz_> armv8x64*
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[18:18] <Tenkawa> define stable
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[18:21] <SkyWay> anyone using pi-hole ?
[18:21] <Owner> what is pihole
[18:22] <SkyWay> an ad-blocker
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[18:24] <Owner> hosts file?
[18:24] <SkyWay> can't understand your question ...
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[18:25] <junka> can i use the wifi for both access to the internet and wireless keyboard?
[18:27] <Tenkawa> SkyWay: I dont use it
[18:27] <Owner> junka: wireless keyboard is bluetooth
[18:27] <Owner> right?
[18:27] <Owner> its different than wifi
[18:27] <Owner> yes it should work...
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[18:29] <junka> any recommendations for keyboard+mouse ?
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[18:30] <bkchr> ali1234: Thanks. My problem is, I can not use rspicam, because I'm on aarch64 and the firmware is only available for arm32
[18:30] <SkyWay> Tenkawa, do you have a reason for not using it? bad experience.. ?
[18:30] <Tenkawa> SkyWay: dont need it
[18:30] <SkyWay> ads kill my eyes..
[18:30] <mfa298> junka: wireless keyboards (and mice) will either be Bluetooth (and need pairing to the host to work) or Wireless/RF which isn't the same WiFi (which is more branding for a wireless network connection)
[18:31] <Tenkawa> I dont use my pi for browsing
[18:31] <SkyWay> colours popping :)
[18:31] <SkyWay> no, i don't either
[18:31] <SkyWay> but it's a network ad-blocker
[18:31] <SkyWay> it's blocking on my phone also
[18:31] <junka> mfa298; i see
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[18:35] <ShapeShifter499> shbrngdo: mlelstv fixed the issue of my Pi Zero ppp
[18:36] <bkchr> Does someone know why the firmware is not compiled for aarch64?
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[18:40] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i got an TFT LCD display for my raspberry pi, it's working normaly and shows me the bootup process (also when hdmi is connected) and then he goes black, now my question is how can write a python program that outputs to the TFT display ?
[18:42] <rocketmagnet> are there python modules around for this or do i have to use RPI.GPIO??
[18:42] <akk> rocketmagnet: If you have X installed, the easy way is to write a python program with a gui that displays as an X window.
[18:43] <akk> Otherwise, you might find something searching for things like python framebuffer graphics ... I don't know much about framebuffer graphics so I'm not sure what to recommend specifically.
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[18:43] <akk> It is possible to do graphics on the framebuffer but it's not common so there might not be many examples.
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[18:45] <ShapeShifter499> shbrngdo: mlelstv The 'proxyarp' function from PPP was flooding my bridge with a load of "secondary" ip addresses. I had to remove 'proxyarp' and instead enable forwarding and ARP via sysctl options on the Host Pi. My working configuration is posted here https://gist.github.com/ShapeShifter499/0d113c17392865aeeada5af8bd14d6b3
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[18:50] <ShapeShifter499> This guide I used left out connecting ground. Am I risking anything on my Pi Zeros by NOT connecting the ground when I'm also using serial tx/rx?
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> I can still go in a solder the ground with a new wire
[18:52] <r3> um, you're going to want to connect ground
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[18:52] <mfa298> bkchr: AIUI the GPU is 32bit only so the firmware (closed blobs) will also be 32bit. As for the kernel (which I'm guessing is what you mean by firmware) then 32bit mode is that's supported by Raspbian as it's compatible with all models of the Pi. I think the main thought that any gains for certain tasks you might get from a 64bit kernel are outweighed by the extra support required for new users.
[18:52] <mfa298> bkchr: there are some 64 bit dists out there for the Pi so 64bit is possible for an advanced user if they so care, and know what they're doing.
[18:53] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, please connect ground
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[18:54] <ShapeShifter499> r3: Habbie any ideas why this guide left out connecting ground? https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/share-internet-to-the-raspberry-pi-zero/
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[18:54] <ShapeShifter499> it seems to have made it to print in a magpi issue so I'm just curious
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[18:55] <Habbie> well, as you see, that doesn't always say much
[18:55] <Habbie> note that the zero is not powered in the picture
[18:56] <Habbie> it is not unlikely that power would provide common ground
[18:56] <Habbie> and it worked because of that
[18:56] <Habbie> or because of luck
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[18:56] <RoyK> hi all. just had an issue with a headless pi2 that crashed - tried a reboot or five, but still nothing - dd'ed the sd image onto a file and out to another card, and now it works as before. I read some time back that raspberry pi has an issue with power spikes to the sd card if power is lost, but I haven't seen this on pi3s - the sd card I dd'ed from looks healtyh, though
[18:56] <mfa298> I suspect there's also some luck involved with the connection method on the pi end.
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[18:57] <Habbie> mfa298, oh that's what the blob is for, ugh
[18:57] <ShapeShifter499> Habbie: well I'm basically doing that above. Just bridge the ground pin of one pi and the other pi together with a wire?
[18:57] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, yes
[18:57] <ShapeShifter499> any ground pin?
[18:57] <r3> well it has to do with the fact that serial RX/TX is based upon a voltage difference that makes up the signaling. As with anything with voltage, it is always, always, in reference to something. So connecting a common ground between the two just simply makes sense electrically. They should have also connected ground there, otherwise the 'shared ground' is going to go through the power
[18:57] <r3> supply, probably.
[18:57] <Habbie> yes
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[18:57] <Habbie> r3, indeed
[18:57] <Habbie> ShapeShifter499, yes
[18:58] <r3> you never have "5 volts", you always have "5 volts in reference to ground", usually. I've seen Serial RX/TX signalling *not work* when the two components didn't share a common ground.
[18:58] <ShapeShifter499> sounds good then
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> rocketmagnet, if your display is acting as a dumb framebuffer - e.g. /dev/fb1 then you can poke pixels at it or use something like pygame wich uses SDL to do stuff on it.
[18:58] <RoyK> r3: '5 volts' implies it's 5v in reference to gnd :†
[18:58] <RoyK> :þ even
[18:59] <r3> ShapeShifter499: yes, any ground pin. Ground is gound.
[18:59] <rocketmagnet> gordonDrogon: how to setup the display as dump framebuffer ?
[18:59] <ShapeShifter499> r3: they probably have common ground in this case because they are
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> rocketmagnet, not go a clue.
[18:59] <r3> RoyK, but you are implying it when you say it. So it must exist.
[18:59] <ShapeShifter499> *pi zeros connected to the same computer
[18:59] <rocketmagnet> i see the bootup process but as soon as x starts i get a black screen
[18:59] <ShapeShifter499> via usb
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> rocketmagnet, but you said it was working? How is it currently working?
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[18:59] <rocketmagnet> i see the boot process, but when x is starting i get a black screen
[19:00] <RoyK> r3: voltage implies potential between two points
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> what's it connected to then - hdmi, video, gpio ?
[19:00] <ShapeShifter499> r3: I'll still will bridge the ground together just to be safe
[19:00] <rocketmagnet> but i don't want to loose the hdmi output if available
[19:00] <r3> that's the best sort of safe.
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[19:00] <sockspls> Hi!
[19:01] <r3> RoyK, don't pick nits with me, I was answering a question. I know how voltage works. Jeez, a bunch of wanks in here today.
[19:01] <sockspls> Having a weird error with my new pi that won't boot :l
[19:01] <sockspls> Seems to get stuck at "random: crng init done"
[19:01] <repz_> Tenkawa, stable means stable, something which would be used daily.
[19:01] <repz_> If nto somethign that i could use to build some docker images
[19:02] <sockspls> It's a 3B+ FWIW
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[19:03] <rocketmagnet> gordonDrogon: i've connected a hdmi atm, which will be removed with teamview (so i don't need extra mouse/keyboard), and i want to use the display to control my router to block all or allow only a certain ip on a port etc.
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[19:38] <Owner> blah
[19:38] <Owner> redoing partition tables and resizing root filesystem...but forgot to recreate swap, now i have to shrink it
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> use a swapfile.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> swap partitions are over...
[19:39] <Owner> oh
[19:39] <Owner> did not know that
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> there is little, if anything to be gained these days using a partition.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> old habits and all that, though.
[19:39] <Owner> true
[19:40] <Owner> can fstab handle a file
[19:40] <Owner> or do i have to swapon in rc.local
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> fstab is fine.
[19:40] <Owner> never knew that
[19:40] <Owner> hows it work
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[19:40] <Owner> just references root filesystem instead of /dev ?
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure - saying that, I've just checked a few systems I have here - none are using swap though.
[19:42] <Owner> well can you tell me?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> running a test now - bear with me and I'll know.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> /space/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> appears to work.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> however I'd need to reboot to be use and it's my workstation.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> hang on, I'll try a Pi ...
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[19:44] <Habbie> pi uses dphys-swapfile instead of fstab
[19:44] <Habbie> raspbian 8, anyway
[19:44] <Tenkawa> by default.
[19:44] <Habbie> yes
[19:44] <Tenkawa> it can use swap though
[19:45] <Habbie> oh it does by default
[19:45] <Habbie> just not to a partition
[19:45] <Habbie> but yes, everything is possible
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> dphys-swapfile is one of those packages that really should not exist. it does nothing that anyone sane can do without taking up space and slowing down boot, but hey ho...
[19:45] <Tenkawa> dphys also really needs tuned based on what you want to use the pi for
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> yes, so, creating a file - e.g. /swapfile running mkswap on it, adding it into /etc/fstab, reboot and bobs your uncle.
[19:46] <Owner> ok cool thanks
[19:46] <Tenkawa> agreed..
[19:46] <Habbie> oh fstab still works for files?
[19:46] <Owner> i think swapon -a
[19:47] <Habbie> dphys just allows you to stick the number in a place, reboot, edit it again, reboot again, etc/
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> still? Why would they remove functionality ...
[19:47] <Owner> avoids a reboot too
[19:47] <Owner> gordonDrogon: why wouldnt they
[19:47] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, well these things do happen and my 'still' wasn't entirely meant temporally :)
[19:47] * gordonDrogon mutters something about keeping off his lawn ...
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[19:48] <Tenkawa> that part I cant say or test atm... once I get this pi back online in a little while i can
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[19:49] <Owner> i just added it to fstab and did swapon -a
[19:49] <Owner> but i should reboot to make sure
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[19:49] <Owner> well thats easier than shrinking root fs if it works, lol
[19:49] <mfa298> aparently there are people who want to use Linux (and Pi's) that just want things to work without decades of *nix experience and needing to wear sandles and grow a beard, I'd guess that's why the likes of dphys-swapfile exist.
[19:50] <Tenkawa> fstab is easier to me
[19:50] <Owner> mfa298: better to learn the basics
[19:51] <Owner> simpler
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't know ... even thought I do have a grey beard and I do wear sandals ... sometimes you just want to plug something in and go.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> however Linux is just too complex. So in windows these days.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> Mac is also complex, but different.
[19:51] <Tenkawa> i dont like sandals
[19:51] <mfa298> edit a file to change a number of remember the random selection of swap* and mkswap commands needed to change swap size around. Whilst I'm happy with both methods I can see that a simple edit of a file is easier for beginners
[19:51] <Owner> thats why i use slackware
[19:51] * Tenkawa is ancient though
[19:52] <Owner> in my day using linux was for learning and making a computer do what you want it to do
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, I wear Berkenstocks through the summer ... there are very few makes of sandals that fit my feet and these don't quite, but I'm not paying �300 for a custom pair (which I do for shoes)
[19:52] <Owner> and you learn the ways of the 1970s mit people
[19:52] <Owner> who designed everything pretty well
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Owner, in my day, it was unix v6 ...
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> cue 4 yorkshiremen ...
[19:53] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: my feet are too different sized from each other for sandals to be comfortable
[19:53] <Owner> lol
[19:53] <Owner> well free -m says i have 999mb swap
[19:53] <Owner> i guess thats close enough :)
[19:54] <Habbie> i have 99 :)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, ah. well I have weird shaped feet too, but fortunately both more or less the same - just non-standard which sucks.
[19:54] <Owner> Habbie: live life dangerouslyyyyyyy
[19:54] <Tenkawa> yeah mine are 2.5 sizes diff heheheh
[19:54] <Habbie> Owner, eh, it's the default, i don't even need swap on this box
[19:54] <Owner> Tenkawa: feet only a mother could love
[19:54] <Habbie> 764m cached
[19:54] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> in the Pi world, I feel that a little bit of swap (100MB or so) is fine, but GB - not - really - if you start swapping that much it's more or less game over )-:
[19:55] <Habbie> it's the only way i ever killed SD cards
[19:55] <Habbie> run jobs that need 3GB on a pi
[19:55] <Habbie> we stopped doing that :)
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[19:55] <Owner> Habbie: i should even remove the swapfile
[19:55] <Owner> until i need it
[19:55] <mfa298> if you're needing >100mb swap on a pi (in most cases) you probably have other issues.
[19:55] <Habbie> swapfiles can improve system stability without even being touched, to be clear
[19:55] <Habbie> or with rarely being touched
[19:55] <Habbie> because malloc does not check a lot
[19:55] <Owner> what is a good swappiness
[19:56] <Tenkawa> I use 0
[19:56] <mfa298> I tend to keep a small swap file (default 100mb), and then add another temporarily if I need space
[19:56] <mfa298> there's nothing to limit you to a single swapfile
[19:56] <mfa298> (or single swap partition)
[19:56] <Owner> thats true
[19:58] <mfa298> as for learning the ways of early *nix you're probably better off with one of the *BSDs or an illumous based OS rather than GNU/Linux
[19:59] <Owner> lol
[19:59] <Owner> yeah or slackware
[20:00] <Owner> linux is a disaster now
[20:00] <mfa298> I think you can even run freebsd on your Pi (althoguh I don't know if everything works)
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[20:14] <red9> Owner, disaster in what way specificly?
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[20:20] <hoopertr0n> hello, i have nextcloud running on in docker container (arm64v8), but it runs very slowly
[20:20] <hoopertr0n> top shows a lot of CPU being eating by apache processes
[20:20] <hoopertr0n> any tips for troubleshooting/improving performance?
[20:20] <Habbie> you run an arm64 distribution?
[20:20] <hoopertr0n> alarm
[20:21] <hoopertr0n> = arch linux arm
[20:21] <Habbie> ah yes
[20:21] <hoopertr0n> yes, bit 64
[20:21] <red9> change the httpd software.
[20:22] <Habbie> are you using mod_php?
[20:22] <hoopertr0n> um...
[20:22] <hoopertr0n> habbie: pass
[20:22] <red9> .php = Abandon all hope! ;-)
[20:22] <Habbie> hoopertr0n, pass?
[20:22] <hoopertr0n> Habbie: I don't know.
[20:22] <Habbie> well then i have no advice to offer
[20:23] <hoopertr0n> Habbie: it's all happening inside the container so don't know how it is set up / configured
[20:23] <Habbie> my suspicion is that nextcloud simply is not light
[20:24] <hoopertr0n> runs fine on my cloud servers
[20:24] <Habbie> wildly different specs i bet
[20:24] <hoopertr0n> undoubtedly
[20:25] <Habbie> 'same' docker image?
[20:25] <hoopertr0n> not that either!
[20:25] <Habbie> what's the difference?
[20:25] <mfa298> depending on what database nextcloud is using that might be part of the bottleneck.
[20:26] <Habbie> good one
[20:30] <repz_> Does someone uses OSMC with GRiD them ? I can't find how to add anything to favorites
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[20:38] <Ben64> gordonDrogon: rc522 rfid reader thingy
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> what?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> I've never used one ...
[20:39] <Ben64> Apr 03 2018 03:54:18 <gordonDrogon> Ben64, SPI is relatively easy, but every device needs different runes - what device are you trying to read from?
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> er, right. yesterday then.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> whenver.
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[20:40] <Ben64> since then i have been able to get it to read back an id
[20:41] <Ben64> can't get data on/off but that might be a limitation of the rfid chip
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to write some code for it, or see if there is an existing library. Personally, unless you've already bought the hardware, I'd get one of the ones that simply emulate a USB keyboard and be done with it.
[20:41] <Ben64> whoa
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> ah, you have hardware.
[20:41] <Ben64> that exists?
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> they were on the first pace when I googled for them.
[20:41] <Ben64> well the hardware cost ~$3 i'm not stuck with it
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[20:42] <Ben64> that would make my whole project way easier
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[20:42] <Ben64> well, except i need to detect when a card is removed
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[20:43] <rocketmagnet> hi guys
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> https://www.amazon.com/Sparkfun-Electronics-LYSB004G51EU0-CMPTRACCS-RFID-Reader/dp/B004G51EU0
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> obviously need one for the tag types/frequency you're using.
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[20:45] <rocketmagnet> i'm new to raspberry pi and i've got an chep LCD TFT screen that i want to draw graphics into and get input, i installed the drivers, it displays text during startup but i get no graphics mode, it's a 320x480 screen. how to write to the device through sdl ?
[20:45] <rocketmagnet> how to find the device i've to work with
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[20:45] <rocketmagnet> is it /dev/fb0 ? fb1 ?
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[20:54] <rocketmagnet> i don't know what to search for, i get only trash, that's why i'm asking
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[20:54] <lopta> [1] Segmentation fault (core dumped) firefox52
[20:54] <mfa298> Ben64: it's possible to use the USB RFID readers fairly easily and detect if they get removed. I did it a couple of years ago (don't have the code anymore)
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[20:56] <mfa298> Ben64: I think I opened the /dev/event devices, you can also query which USB port it's plugged into (and ioctl I think), you probably want to open it exclusivly (otherwise they IDs also go to the console, again probably another ioctl) and if it's unplugged the device disappears which you can catch and handle
[20:56] <Ben64> ooh
[20:58] <mfa298> I did use some rfid readers that used two signal wires (one for zeros and one for ones) but I wouldnt recommend them (their a pain to interface with)
[20:59] <lopta> The USB ones mostly emulate keyboards, I think.
[20:59] <lopta> (mine does, anyway)
[20:59] <mfa298> all the usb ones I used emulated keyboards (see my comment above for all I remember about using them)
[21:00] <Ben64> i think i figured out a hacky way to make this rc522 work
[21:00] <Ben64> just gotta figure out how to do it in python
[21:00] <Arlenx> hi, can someone help me please? i'm trying to install a raspbian os on raspberry 3 B+ but all i can see on the monitor is a big colored square with a flash symbol on top right.help please
[21:01] <mfa298> spi from python should probably be fairly simple, so then you just need the datasheet for the device to know how to prod it to get what you want out.
[21:01] <Ben64> if ( blah && thing == whatever){} --> if ( blah and thing == whatever):
[21:01] <Ben64> i'm just not used to python
[21:01] <mfa298> Arlenx: that sounds like the raspbian or noobs image is too old (or whatever you're using is not updated for the 3b+ yet)
[21:02] <Arlenx> mfa298, you right i have a noob sc card
[21:02] <Ben64> thought everything that works on 3b would work on 3b+
[21:02] <mfa298> Ben64: for SPI you normally need to send it something to get the right stuff back out.
[21:03] <mfa298> Arlenx: if the card came withthe 3B+ it might need updating (some suppliers have been known to supply old software that doesnt work with newer hardware)
[21:03] <Ben64> i've got it reading IDs from cards in a loop forever, if i stick a card in front it spits out the id a few times a second
[21:03] <mfa298> Ben64: it needs some updated firmware for thigns to work
[21:03] <Arlenx> mfa298, thx
[21:04] <Ben64> with a bit of hacky code i could make that work for my needs ( i think )
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[21:16] <red9> btw, does wiringPi work alright now on 3B+ ?
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[21:16] <Tenkawa> its the same layout(?) so it should right?
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[21:51] <Li> Is it possible to encrypt/hide/obfuscate partitions/directories/files of the rPi sdcard?
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[21:52] <Habbie> Li, the common linux partition encryption options should just work
[21:53] <Li> e.g. I don't want users to be able to view/change /boot/cmdline.txt
[21:53] <Habbie> oh /boot
[21:53] <Habbie> well that's different
[21:53] <Habbie> in that case, don't give them root :>
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[21:54] <Li> Habbie: I'm actually talking about both partitions, and I'm not aware of the common linux encryption partition behavior! right now I'm able to see the whole thing when I put sdcard on pc
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[21:54] <mfa298> you can't encrypt /boot, but you might not need to have it mounted all the time (just when updating kernel/firmware)
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[21:54] <Habbie> you want to prevent somebody putting the sd into a pc from editing it?
[21:54] <Li> Habbie: consider the users are able to physically access the card
[21:55] <Habbie> Li, then you are out of luck
[21:55] <mfa298> although you can't protect /boot from someone putting it in another computer and accessing it
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[21:56] <Li> can I then move cmdline and config text files out from boot
[21:56] <lopta> Even if the SD card were read-only, someone could image it and hack on the image.
[21:56] <Li> I don't want them be touched
[21:56] <Habbie> Li, ok, let's take a step back - why?
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[21:57] <Li> because the boss want that
[21:57] <mfa298> there's not much point moving cmdline and config.txt out of /boot - the firmware will only read them from the FAT partition (which by definition can't be encrypted
[21:57] <leftyfb> Li: why?
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[21:57] <mfa298> Li: what's the actual aim here - is it to try and protect some comercial software you want to distribute perhaps ?
[21:58] <Li> mfa298: yes
[21:58] <mfa298> because if that's the case then it's not possible as you want it to be
[21:58] <leftyfb> you're going to have commercial software/edits to /boot/ ?
[21:58] <Li> besides they don't want the users to know wtf is the os or anything
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[21:58] <Li> the rpi will be enclosed into another box
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[21:58] <Li> sort of weaked crap
[21:58] <leftyfb> Li: unless you're putting something proprietary in /boot, there's no need to lock it down
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[21:59] <mfa298> if you want somethign encrypted yet still useable then it needs to be accessible by the system. That means it has to be decrypted somehow, either by the end user entering the key/passphrase, or by the key/passphrase being readable by the system as it boots up. In either case someone who wants to get access to our software has what they need to read it.
[21:59] <Li> they are not putting any proprietary there, but they don't want the raspberry pi boot text and logo to show up at all
[22:00] <leftyfb> Li: so edit it out
[22:00] <Li> which anyone can do it if they change the boot files
[22:00] <leftyfb> :/
[22:01] <Li> mfa298: I know it will be always possible to go around any security mechanism in general, what I'm asking here is how to make it the hardest
[22:02] <Li> so that only profs can hack around the sdcard
[22:02] <Li> ordinary users like myself won't be able to do so
[22:02] <leftyfb> Li: encrypt root and leave /boot alone. Customize it how you want, but boot isn't going to be encrypted
[22:03] <mfa298> physical security is the first thing. if they can physically access the SD card they can change anything in the boot partition.
[22:03] <Li> leftyfb: Ok, would it be at least possible to freeze the configuration of cmdline & config files so they are no longer editable?
[22:03] <leftyfb> Li: you're basically asking how to lock down an SD card with a bootable OS on it. Not a thing
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[22:03] <leftyfb> Li: no
[22:04] <mfa298> in terms of access from the OS, normal users shouldn't have access to write to /boot (i.e. they shouldn't have sudo access)
[22:04] <leftyfb> mfa298: Li is talking OOB
[22:05] <mfa298> leftyfb: read both of the lines I just wrote :p
[22:05] <Li> so maybe the only possibility here is to glue the sdcard with something cause it break if they try to pull it out
[22:05] <mfa298> or lock the Pi in a box.
[22:05] <leftyfb> Li: secure the box it's in
[22:06] <Habbie> in which case they'll bring their own pi and plug the utp in
[22:06] <Li> mfa298: it will not be only locked into a box .. it will even ben sank in resin
[22:06] <Li> FYI
[22:07] <IT_Sean> That's probably a Bad Idea
[22:07] <Li> yeah overheating
[22:07] <mfa298> depending on the model of Pi, putting it in resin is probably a bad idea.
[22:07] <mfa298> what scenario are these pi's being used in.
[22:07] <IT_Sean> Will probably break the board due to thermal expansion of the set resin when you load up the Pi
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[22:08] <leftyfb> Li: does your boss look like this? https://curiouscat.com/images/pointy-haired-boss.jpg
[22:08] <mfa298> also get's expensive when you need to change the SD card as it's failed.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> red9, wiringPi worked just fine on the 3+ before it came out - if it's not working for you, please let me know why.
[22:08] <mfa298> leftyfb: I have a feeling the pointy-haired-boss is slightly more sensible ;)
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[22:09] <Li> hey gordonDrogon .. sorry about the other time I was not going through a good day
[22:09] <Li> anyway if you even still remember
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[22:09] <gordonDrogon> I probably don't, sorry ...
[22:09] <Li> even better :D
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[22:11] <mfa298> Li: what scenario are these pi's being used in ?
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[23:07] <tfgbd_> Hi.
[23:07] <tfgbd_> So, I'm installing OpenSUSE. I want the KVM support.
[23:07] <tfgbd_> I want to see if I can get ARM Windows 10 working in KVM.
[23:07] <tfgbd_> Has anyone tried this yet?
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[23:14] <red9> Raspberry Pi have hypervisor capability?
[23:15] <lopta> red9: Not that I'm aware of.
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[23:15] <Li> mfa298: They're being used in ATEX Zone 1 scenario
[23:15] <lopta> red9: Unless it does KVM. I don't know Linux
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[23:16] <tfgbd_> SUSE makes a Linux for the Pi 3 with KVM support compiled in
[23:16] <tfgbd_> So at least the hard part is done for me.
[23:17] <Li> IT_Sean: that is one possibility, we have to stress test before releasing anything. but from previous experience many pcb(S) survived thermal shocks within the same type of resin
[23:17] <lopta> Oh that's handy then.
[23:18] <Li> if(true) that is a thermal shock
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[23:25] <Li> does anyone else experiencing this crappy behavior of firefox crash on rPi ubuntu mate 16.04?
[23:26] <Li> never able to fix and have to install chromium
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[23:33] <d0rm0us3> Li... let me guess... process terminated via signal 11 on a plugin?
[23:34] <shbrngdo> Li - is there an LTS/ESR package you could try instead? Ubu tracks closer to the bleeding edge and so it occasionally has problems like this
[23:34] <shbrngdo> oh plugins - yeah, disable all first, then repro bug
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[23:36] <ConkyAxis> Hello, quick question. My Pi 3b is overclocked to 1.3ghz and the Pi3b+ is at 1.4ghz so there is really no point upgrading unless you need faster ethernet right?
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[23:37] <Tenkawa> bbl.... storms coming in
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[23:38] <mfa298> ConkyAxis: the 3B+ is supposed to be better at managing heat, so it can potentially manage faster speeds for longer before throttling back.
[23:39] <mfa298> chances are your 3B won't be running at 1.3GHz for long before it slows down.
[23:40] <ConkyAxis> I thought that might be correct, dammit now I have buy another one :-)
[23:41] <ConkyAxis> it might be better with software based video decoding too I guess
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