#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-04-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:34] <tfgbd_> Here is how to get KVM working on the RPI3:
[0:34] <tfgbd_> https://medium.com/@valdiz777/setting-up-kvm-on-raspberry-pi-3-using-a-64bit-opensuse-pi3-leap-42-2-xfce-image-22faddf02f48
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[0:54] <tfgbd_> I'm going to try Windows 10 tonight.
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[0:58] <mehmories> On your pi?
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[0:59] <puff> larsks: Hi again.
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[1:00] <tfgbd_> Yes.
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[1:00] <tfgbd_> Windows 10 ARM is now available.
[1:00] <mehmories> That arm image sounds awesome
[1:00] <GenteelBen> For RPi?
[1:00] <tfgbd_> No
[1:00] <GenteelBen> Damn.
[1:00] <tfgbd_> I want to see if I can get it to boot in KVM
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[1:00] <tfgbd_> Someome got it booting natively but they didn't release their UEFI
[1:00] <tfgbd_> Also, it can only use one CPU core for now.
[1:00] <tfgbd_> I'm thinking it will use all 4 with KVM
[1:01] <tfgbd_> I just need to compile network drivers.
[1:01] <mehmories> I want a windows Server arm image. Gonna build a domain of pi
[1:01] <tfgbd_> There is one.
[1:01] <mehmories> wat
[1:01] <tfgbd_> People got it running in QEMU
[1:01] <puff> I'm trying to set up a pi zero that somebody gave me, but I suspect it's only a zero, not a zero W. It didn't come up on the network, so I plugged it into a monitor & cable, and "ifconfig -a" only shows lo, no wlan0.
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[1:01] <tfgbd_> Server 2016
[1:01] <puff> And the GUI wireless manager says "No wireless interfaces found"
[1:02] <tfgbd_> I was surprised too.
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[1:02] <tfgbd_> It's a beta
[1:02] <tfgbd_> I'm going to try Pro for now.
[1:02] <puff> Is there any definitive way to check?
[1:02] <tfgbd_> Do they look identical?
[1:03] <tfgbd_> I got a Pi Zero W for $3 the other day
[1:03] <tfgbd_> I guess it was a store return
[1:03] <mehmories> That's incredible I need to get back in the loop.
[1:03] <Li> shbrngdo: nope .. I tried firefox even --safe-mode it never makes it open a window
[1:04] <mehmories> The pi zero w should have a little triangle shape in the pcb
[1:04] <puff> tfgbd_: Good deal.
[1:04] <mehmories> that's the antena
[1:04] <puff> mehmories: Thanks. Where on the PCB, and what color?
[1:04] <puff>
[1:04] <mehmories> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Pi-Zero-W-Capacitors.jpg
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[1:07] <mehmories> @puff, https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/pi-zero-w-wireless-antenna-design/
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[1:07] <tfgbd_> mehmories: https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37172&start=25
[1:07] <tfgbd_> Er, https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=37172&sid=6740211c47d9185c6f8fe6e653aa109a
[1:08] <puff> mehmories: Thanks. Damn that's subtle. Fortunately I have my own pi zero that I know has working wireless, for comparison. This other one does not hve the triangle.
[1:08] <puff> How much/hard/much hassle/expensive is it to get this pi zero on a network?
[1:09] <tfgbd_> Here is a guide to installing ARM Windows 10 in QEMU: https://withinrafael.com/2018/02/11/boot-arm64-builds-of-windows-10-in-qemu/
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[1:09] <mfa298> puff: there's a bunch of other components that are on the ZeroW and not on the Zero (the shiney wifi chip is a good one to look for) but it's easier to tell if you already have something to compare with.
[1:09] <puff> Looking more clsoely on the back, it says "Pi Zero V 1.3 2015"
[1:10] <puff> mfa298: Thanks.
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[1:10] <mehmories> @tfgbd_, so cool! thanks! I gotta get this running
[1:10] <mehmories> @puff, it's not hard to network if you have a usb ethernet adapter lol
[1:11] <mehmories> @puff, but yeah that engineering for the wireless is wild. Can't imagine the range is that great though
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[1:12] <puff> Okay, so considering the cost of a zero w, probably just easiest to order a zero w.
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[1:12] <mehmories> ^
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[1:13] <mehmories> @puff, what's your plan for it?
[1:13] <tfgbd_> I'm hoping I don't have to recompile QEMU to get this working
[1:13] <mfa298> mehmories: that void antenna probably works as well (or maybe better) than the chip antenna on various other boards or the little bit of wire most laptops call an antenna - RF is a dark art filled with black magic
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[1:13] <tfgbd_> But it's so bleeding edge, something tells me it may not work with this guide
[1:13] <tfgbd_> It does work on a PC in QEMU, though
[1:13] <tfgbd_> But obviously slow
[1:14] <tfgbd_> It's way too slow to use on my Core i3
[1:14] <puff> mehmories: Connecting it to an rfid reader for access control.
[1:15] <puff> mehmories: It needs connectivity to update the RFID code access list, so I guess I need an adapter or another pi zero w.
[1:15] <puff> Speaking of connectivity, is there a lightweight message queue suitable for rpi?
[1:16] <mehmories> @mfa298, Oh really? Black magic is not my strong suit
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[1:16] <puff> Hm, looks like rabbitmq on pi is not unknown.
[1:19] <redrabbit> rabbitmq ftw
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[1:34] <puff> Anybody mucked with mqtt?
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[1:38] <redrabbit> sure
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[10:57] <junka> do i need to solder the gpio pins in a pi zero?
[10:58] <Habbie> there are no solder-headers
[10:58] <Habbie> also you can buy a model with header attached
[10:58] <Habbie> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3413 no-solder
[10:59] <Habbie> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3708 header preinstalled
[11:00] * shiftplusone wonders why soldering is such a deal breaker for so many people.
[11:03] <Ben64> don't wanna deal with it
[11:04] <junka> when it says 40pin gpio unpopulated, what does it mean
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[11:05] <Ben64> no pins, only holes
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[11:06] <BurtyB> there's also https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pogo-a-go-go-solderless-gpio-pogo-pins
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[11:10] <gordonDrogon> do learn to solder though. it's a skill that'll be with you for life.
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[11:12] <junka> what about a gpio ribbon cable?
[11:12] <Habbie> junka, they tend to go on the pins
[11:12] <junka> Habbie; so they just click and attach?
[11:13] <Habbie> they don't really click
[11:13] <Habbie> they just slide on
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[11:22] <Alexander-47u> hey all
[11:23] <BurtyB> hey one
[11:23] <junka> Habbie; do i even need those? :P
[11:23] <Habbie> junka, need what?
[11:23] <Alexander-47u> lol, that sounds funny after watching matrix again just yesterday
[11:24] <junka> Habbie; the gpio headers
[11:24] <Habbie> junka, depends on what you want to do!
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[11:24] <Alexander-47u> i need to connect a yf f401 to my raspberry pi zero, I wish to solder it to it
[11:24] <Alexander-47u> https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1531.html
[11:25] <junka> Habbie; i want to build a media center
[11:25] <Alexander-47u> anyone know how? I'm a complete noob when it comes to these things
[11:25] <Habbie> junka, most of those do not use gpio
[11:26] <Habbie> Alexander-47u, i bet many people in here could finish such a project, but what part is troubling you?
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[11:26] <Alexander-47u> just the wiring part
[11:27] <Habbie> what part of it? the soldering? finding the right holes on the pi?
[11:27] <Alexander-47u> no, which pull up resistor to use
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, that water flow sensor needs 5v. It will not work directly with a Pi.
[11:27] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon, how will I get it to work then?
[11:28] <Habbie> with a voltage convertor perhaps
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> a simple resistor divider may work.
[11:29] <Habbie> reading
[11:29] <Habbie> yes, it might
[11:29] <Habbie> feed it 5v (which the pi does supply) and divide the signal
[11:29] <junka> Habbie; if i can buy a pi with headers, should i choose that instead?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> and test it on a solderless breadboard first.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> junka, if you can't solder them absolutely.
[11:30] <junka> i dont even have a soldering iron :p
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> then don't solder - buy a Pi Zero H
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> and a solderless breadboard and some jumper wires.
[11:30] <Habbie> junka is building a media center
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> same for Alexander-47u
[11:30] <Habbie> unsure pi zero is the smart choice
[11:30] <Habbie> unsure gpio matters, as well
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> I know little about media.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I just plug a Pi via HDMI into my TV - sound and video come out.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> no gpio involved.
[11:31] <Habbie> uhuh
[11:31] <Habbie> and people really got going with this when the pi2 came out
[11:31] <Habbie> because of performance
[11:31] <Habbie> so i wouldn't recommend a zero for it
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[11:31] <junka> zero does not have the rca socket either right?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> zero is fine for simple media playing. Kodi - or whatever it was called back then worked on the original Pi 1 - although the menus were a bit clunky.
[11:32] <Habbie> junka, correct - you can solder one pn
[11:32] <junka> xbmc
[11:32] <Habbie> *on
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[11:33] <Alexander-47u> the reason that I use the pi, is because I am very comfortable with linux
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[11:33] <Alexander-47u> and zero is not fine for kodi xD, raspberry pi 3 is though
[11:33] <Alexander-47u> zero is too slow
[11:34] <Alexander-47u> it does work however
[11:34] <Alexander-47u> but still, kodi is already slow, even on the fastest systems
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[11:34] <Alexander-47u> zero, does not have pins on it
[11:34] <Alexander-47u> I would have to solder a header on it, which I do have
[11:35] <Alexander-47u> but I would love to solder the sensor on it the right way immediately xD
[11:35] <Habbie> get a hammer header or some pogo pins for prototyping
[11:35] <Habbie> or make very sure you know what you are doing and solder on right away
[11:36] <Alexander-47u> im trying the latter
[11:36] <Alexander-47u> i read here and there that, a pullup resistor between the data wire and 5v wire would work
[11:37] <Habbie> do not pull data up to 5v
[11:37] <Habbie> you'll fry your gpio
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[11:39] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114556
[11:39] <Alexander-47u> like what this guy says in the last post
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[11:41] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230
[11:41] <Alexander-47u> or this one in post #5
[11:42] <Alexander-47u> brb
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[11:45] <junka> does pi3 do PoE by default?
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> junka, the 3+ has provision to be powered via PoE.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> but not the v3
[11:46] <BCMM> junka: the pi 3 does not have any PoE support. addon boards are available, but they're huge hacky things with 2 ethernet ports on that basically sit on the line before the pi
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> however for the 3+ you need to buy and additional HAT to make PoE work.
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[11:46] <BCMM> junka: pi3+ has features to make it easier to add PoE, but it still needs an addon
[11:47] <BCMM> junka: specifically, it has a connector that gives easy access to the relevant ethernet wires, but you still need a hat to do the actual voltage conversion
[11:47] <BCMM> (and if i recall correctly, that board is available soon, but not now)
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[11:48] <junka> i see, thanks
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[11:49] <BurtyB> there's also a non-official poe hat for the Pi3+ - https://www.tindie.com/products/canerdurmusoglu/power-over-ethernet-hat-for-raspberry-pi3-model-b/
[11:50] <BCMM> BurtyB: ooh, when did that happen?
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[11:51] <BurtyB> BCMM, not sure - I was thinking of making one then I saw that :)
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[11:52] <BCMM> 1. i like how they've got provisions for it to be securely mounted to the pi with standoffs, but for the product picture they've just rested it on its connector
[11:52] <BCMM> 2. i *really* wanna see the underside of that board
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[11:53] <BCMM> all those cuts in the PCB look like they've taken separation of the 48V and 5V sides extremely seriously but i really can't work out what's going on
[11:53] <Alexander-47u> im using a pi zero
[11:54] <Alexander-47u> anyone?
[11:54] <BCMM> oh, i'm a doofus. the cuts around the regulator are for isolation, but the one on the lower half of the board is just to uncover the CSI connector...
[11:54] <BCMM> i was trying to work out how on earth they got *any* functional track to that side of the board
[11:55] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: did you ask a question before i joined, or is that a question in its own right?
[11:55] <Alexander-47u> no, its a question before you
[11:55] <Alexander-47u> im wondering if this will work
[11:55] <Alexander-47u> one sec
[11:56] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230
[11:56] <Alexander-47u> 5th post
[11:56] <Alexander-47u> i want to connect a yf s401 flow sensor to my raspberry pi zero
[11:56] <Alexander-47u> actually, I want to solder it to it directly xD
[11:56] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: this post, right? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230#p803562
[11:56] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: that diagram should work on the zero, yes
[11:56] <Alexander-47u> yes that one
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> so what does it mean exactly :P?
[11:57] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: the diagram?
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> yes, im very noob when it comes to these stuff
[11:57] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: are you familiar with the concept of "GPIO"?
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> yes, the pins
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> but the pull up part
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> is where I am lost
[11:57] <Alexander-47u> I have a 10k resistor
[11:58] <Alexander-47u> one 1/4 watt and one 3 watt
[11:58] <Alexander-47u> one is allot larger than the other 10k resistor
[11:58] <Alexander-47u> also, should i connect the middle of the data wire, to the 3v3 GPIO?
[11:59] <Alexander-47u> and also another very noob question, are both sides of a resistor the same xD?
[12:00] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: a resistor is symmetrical, yes
[12:00] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: and you won't need the big one
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[12:00] <Alexander-47u> great, it would fit in my heat shrink tube.
[12:00] <Alexander-47u> now
[12:00] <Alexander-47u> but, do I solder the middle of the yellow wire, to the 3v3 gpio?
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, hello? Are you there?
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[12:01] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon, yes sure :)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, solderless breadboard time ...
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> and what 2 resistors are you using in the potential divider to get the 5v to 3.3v?
[12:02] <Alexander-47u> 10k
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> and the other?
[12:02] <Alexander-47u> and im using 1 resistor
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> Oh, ok...
[12:02] <Alexander-47u> only for the data wire
[12:02] * gordonDrogon sings bye bye my raspberry pi ...
[12:02] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230#p803562
[12:02] <red9> hasta la vista Pi.. ;)
[12:02] <Alexander-47u> this is what I was planning to do
[12:02] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: he has a choice of 2 resistors he *could* use, and he's implementing the above diagram
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[12:02] <Alexander-47u> the guy seemed happy with his wiring
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[12:03] <BCMM> at least, that's how i understood it...
[12:03] <Alexander-47u> this is with a yf s201 sensor tho'
[12:03] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: "one 1/4 watt and one 3 watt" is two different 10k resistors you're choosing between right?
[12:03] <Alexander-47u> BCMM, yes
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> the sensor you linked to dit not indicate that it has an open collector output.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> if you use that circuit and the sensor does not have an OC output then you run the risk of drying not only the Pi but the sensor too.
[12:04] <BCMM> "frying"?
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, the sensor used in that forum post is not the sensor you linked to earlier.
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[12:18] <Alexander-47u> did I miss anything xD?
[12:18] <Alexander-47u> my connection timedout
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> maybe just my comment:
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> Alexander-47u, the sensor used in that forum post is not the sensor you linked to earlier.
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[12:19] <Alexander-47u> yes, two different ones yf s401 is the first post, yf s201 is the second
[12:19] <Alexander-47u> I would prefer to use the yf s401
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[12:19] <Alexander-47u> here i see someone even using it without resistors
[12:19] <Alexander-47u> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8hOsEYz3Ow
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[12:20] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230#p803562
[12:20] <Alexander-47u> im just wondering, if this can be applied to the yf s401 sensor
[12:21] <Alexander-47u> as I read success stories with other pull up resistors
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[12:21] <Alexander-47u> for example
[12:21] <Alexander-47u> this one
[12:21] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114556#p784141
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> whatever.
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[12:29] <Alexander-47u> sorry to agitate you gordonDrogon, you have always been helpful. thank you :)
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> you can justify your decision all you like - show forum posts, etc. that doesn't mean they're right, just that people are getting away with it. It also means you're not learning the correct way to do stuff - I only hope you don't get a job doing this for real.
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[12:33] <junka> so the zero has no rca socket, i know can solder one but if am going to use the mini hdmi, should i get a hdmi to rca cable or a converter?
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> junka, it has compositve video in the 3.5mm jack socket.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> you just need to right adapter cable. no need to solder anything.
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> assuming you actually need composite video and can't use hdmi or hdmi to vga adapter.
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[12:35] <ali1234> zero doesn't have a jack socket
[12:35] <junka> gordonDrogon; the zero does not have such a jack
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> ah, sorry - didn't read the zero thing.
[12:36] <junka> no problem :P
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[12:36] <ali1234> and to answer your question... "hdmi to rca" does not exist as a passive adapter
[12:36] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon, no, I won't be working in IOT development anytime soon gordonDrogon ;), just a home project
[12:37] <junka> ali1234; this? https://www.amazon.ca/Delaman-Component-Converter-Adapter-Projectors/dp/B07894BSFW?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=ad-backfill-amzn-only-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07894BSFW
[12:37] <Alexander-47u> im more into pentesting
[12:37] <ali1234> junka: it has a chip inside the HDMI plug
[12:37] <ali1234> i can guarantee that :)
[12:37] <ali1234> they just made converters really small
[12:38] <ali1234> oh wait, it says it is truely passive
[12:38] <ali1234> in that case, that cable will not work on the pi
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[12:39] <ali1234> however, you can get cables that look like that which will work
[12:39] <Ben64> solder 2 pins on, boom, composite output
[12:39] <junka> ali1234; im confused now
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[12:39] <ali1234> yeah i would go that route too if you really need composite
[12:39] <junka> Ben64; yeah i have read that, but i cant solder
[12:39] <Ben64> sure you can
[12:40] <Alexander-47u> im just going to do this project, then probably not anytime soon again.
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[12:40] <ali1234> junka: go with the converter box to be sure it will work
[12:41] <ali1234> or get a pi 3
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[12:42] <junka> the box costs as a pi3 does, so i better get pi3 in that case
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[12:42] <mfa298> Alexander-47u: why not plug the pi hdmi into a hdmi or dvi screen/tv saves all the pain of adpators that might not work.
[12:43] <Alexander-47u> mfa298, wrong person lol. the way I do it is SSH, no need for a gui.
[12:43] <mfa298> junka: see my line above ^^
[12:44] <mfa298> Alexander-47u: sorry, too many different conversations going
[12:44] <junka> mfa298; its an old tv, so no hdbi
[12:44] <junka> hdmi
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[12:45] <Alexander-47u> junka, what do you need to do?
[12:45] <Alexander-47u> maybe you can use SSH for you needs
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[12:45] <BCMM> ali1234: i dunno, looks like there's plenty of space inside that plastic bit that the RCA connectors branch off from
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[12:45] <BCMM> so the HDMI plug itself might be normal
[12:46] <ali1234> BCMM: just going on the description. i know they do make active adapters that fit inside the connector shell for VGA
[12:46] <ali1234> i don't know how you'd find one though
[12:46] <BCMM> oh, also i didn't read the thing where it isn't actually a convertor
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[12:47] <BCMM> looks like it's for a few specific devices that support analog over HDMI connectors
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[12:47] <BCMM> a bit like that old PS/2 - USB connector for microsoft mice
[12:48] <junka> Alexander-47u; turn an old tv into media center
[12:53] <Alexander-47u> junka, aliexpress has many different converters, you can order from there if you are in no hurry
[12:54] <Alexander-47u> just type in hdmi to scart or whatever
[12:55] <mfa298> junka: for a media centre one of the Pi3s might be better, as I think was said before the zero is a bit underpowered (it can work but expect it to take a while to do anything)
[12:56] <Alexander-47u> yes, don't use rpi zero, you won't be happy with the constant lag
[12:57] <Alexander-47u> however, when the video starts to play, it plays fine.
[12:57] <Alexander-47u> rpi zero is better for GUI-less things
[13:00] <junka> yeah better get the newest pi
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> have to disagree there - I use Pi zeros for plenty of GUI stuff.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> you jsut need to write efficient GUI code - in my case, I write it all in BASIC.
[13:00] <Alexander-47u> it works indeed, but painfully slow
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> not in the slightest.
[13:01] <Alexander-47u> thats your own code :)
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:01] <Alexander-47u> kodi or other media solutions on the other hand
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> and I write efficient code.
[13:02] <Alexander-47u> just terrible, but works
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> then they should stop being weenies and using every toolkit under the sun and write efficient code.
[13:03] <BCMM> i ran xbian on an original Pi for a while. it worked, but the interface ran incredibly slowly. RAM was the main issue
[13:04] <BCMM> pi zero has twice the ram of the original pi, and a really lightweight kodi distro *should* run OK
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> we have a stupid amount of computing resource at our fingertips these days - we're just not using it anywhere near efficiently.
[13:05] <Alexander-47u> junka, is it a zero w or a zero?
[13:06] <junka> Alexander-47u; i haven't bought anything yet, i calculate all the things i need so i can purchase them and sum up the overall cost
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[13:06] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: i don't think that's a particularly fair criticism of kodi, tbh. things like caching large pixmaps in memory make a lot of sense, when that memory is available
[13:07] <Alexander-47u> ye, raspberry pi 3 + 5ghz dongle is the way to go
[13:07] <BCMM> on adequate hardware, the interface gives an incredibly smoother experience in a way that just wouldn't be achievable in a simpler, leaner program
[13:07] <Alexander-47u> also make sure libreelec has the drivers for your 5ghz wifi dongle
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> maybe we just expect too much.
[13:08] <BCMM> Alexander-47u: doesn't the 3b+ have built-in 5GHz?
[13:08] <BCMM> if junka is buying new, that's gotta make more sense than buying a dongle
[13:09] <Alexander-47u> the new one that came out the other day?
[13:09] <mfa298> Alexander-47u: or just the 3B+ (built in 802.11ac)
[13:09] <Alexander-47u> is that so?
[13:09] <Alexander-47u> oh great!
[13:09] <Alexander-47u> didnt know that
[13:09] <mfa298> although 5GHz/802.11ac only makes sense if you have a 5GHz router (not sure how many of them are out there yet in homes)
[13:09] <Alexander-47u> but in any case, get AC wifi because streaming hd content without AC or LAN doesnt always work
[13:10] <Alexander-47u> it simply doesnt scrape HD content
[13:10] <Alexander-47u> in the netherlands, all providers give 5ghz routers these days
[13:11] <Alexander-47u> actually, since last 5 years
[13:11] <chithead> at least all those who promote iptv services, as iptv on 2.4 ghz is no fun
[13:12] <Alexander-47u> same for kodi on 2.4 ghz
[13:12] <Alexander-47u> but if UTP is an option, then that is best
[13:13] <Alexander-47u> junka, the truth is if you are only planning to use the Pi for kodi and never for anything else maybe in the future
[13:13] <Alexander-47u> you are cheaper of buying one of those chinese boxes
[13:15] <junka> does the power supply work with any ac power supply? like that of my phone?
[13:17] <Alexander-47u> no
[13:17] <Alexander-47u> 2.5a to 3.0a
[13:18] <Alexander-47u> 5v
[13:18] <Alexander-47u> and your phone uses some fast charging technology
[13:18] <Alexander-47u> but I must admit I have been using my samsung charger with the raspberry pi zero
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> the zero needs much less current than the 3/3+
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> you really need a proper PSU, not a "charger" for the 3/3+
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[13:20] <BillD73> just to interject some phone chargers of 2.0A will work in a pinch, performance seems slower on my Pi 1B and 1 B+ as soon as i changed them out for 5V 2.5A Canakit powersupplies they got much better.
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[13:21] <BillD73> Even some newer model TV usb port supply enough juice to run the Pi but most are not enough for adequate 2.5A
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> and the 3+ is more demanding.
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[14:41] <millican> Has there been a change in the Pi3 that resulted in it not being able to boot Raspbian Jessie?
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> millican, the updated 3+ was released a few weeks ago now.
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[14:53] <phil42> .
[14:53] <millican> I think that's the one I just got in the mail yesterday.
[14:54] <phil42> its better
[14:54] <millican> I tried multiple SD cards, then just shut down a running pi3, took the card out, and no boot.
[14:54] <millican> raspbian stretch boots in it though.
[14:54] <phil42> it uses different configs
[14:55] <mfa298> millican: the 3B+ needs newer firmware than I think you can easily get in Jessie.
[14:55] <mfa298> you should be using the latest stretch image for the 3B+ (and ideally other pi's as jessie probably won't get many updates)
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[14:56] <millican> mfa298: I started using Stretch, but went to Jessie for mysql over mariadb that's in stretch.
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[14:56] <mfa298> more shiney stuff on the 3B+
[14:56] <phil42> don't worry
[14:57] <millican> It looks like it would be easier for me to just add the mysql repos for that and stick with stretch in teh new onw.
[14:57] <mfa298> mariadb is just mysql with new good stuff and less oracle
[14:57] <millican> one
[14:57] <phil42> yes, a shiny can over the rf stuff
[14:57] <millican> and a several-fold disk space requirement
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[14:57] <millican> I filled a 100Gb card with Mariadb vs using 29Gb importing the same db with mysql.
[14:58] <argoneus> sorry if this is a noob question, but I'm trying to understand the difference between an analog and digital sensor, so far what i got: if i have an analog sensor, I e.g. put 5V into it, and on the output it will emit 0-5V, depending on the value; whereas if I have digital, the output is always either e.g. 0V or 5V, and it uses a sequence on on/off signals using some protocol to say "the value is X" <- is this any accurate or am i dumb?
[14:58] <millican> the mariadb import didn't finish. no more drive space
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[14:59] <phil42> argoneus, sounds kinda sorta right
[14:59] <phil42> reads
[14:59] <argoneus> ah, so all an Analog -> Digital converter does is take the input voltage from the sensor, and converts it into a "digital" message using whatever protocol the convertor is using?
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[15:01] <argoneus> so e.g. if I want to measure light with my raspi, I make a circuit like 3Vcc -> photoresistor -> ADC -> GPIO pin?
[15:01] <argoneus> (or is the resistance too low in that kind of thing)
[15:02] <BCMM> the "ADC" part in that plan feels a little bit like "???" to me
[15:02] <phil42> maybe you are confusing digital with serial
[15:03] <phil42> some gpio pins can be configured as serial inputs of various types
[15:03] <argoneus> oh
[15:03] <argoneus> I thought the way you measure light is that you measure the current in a circuit with a photoresistor
[15:03] <phil42> otherwise the digital input will be expecting an on or off signal
[15:03] <argoneus> which is analog
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[15:04] <argoneus> serial inputs?
[15:04] <phil42> some gpio pins can be configured as analog inputs
[15:04] <argoneus> oh, really?
[15:04] <argoneus> every guide i read online said you need a converter
[15:04] <phil42> yes, the adc is inside the pi, in that case
[15:05] <waveform> phil42, no - gpio pins cannot be configured as analog inputs - they're strictly digital
[15:05] <phil42> maybe i am confusing it with arduino inputs
[15:05] <argoneus> are those the "PWM" pins?
[15:05] <waveform> however, some gpio pins also serve as SPI / I2C interfaces onto which common ADCs (like an MCP3008) can be attached
[15:05] <phil42> pwm's are outputs
[15:06] <phil42> they are good for connecting servos
[15:07] <waveform> argoneus, if you don't have an ADC to hand, another (crude) way to measure light is to time the charging of a small cap attached to a photo-resistor - some details at: http://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/recipes.html#light-sensor
[15:07] <argoneus> I can buy an ADC, that's no problem
[15:07] <argoneus> but BCMM confused me by saying "it feels ???"
[15:07] <argoneus> I thought that's what you need to read an analog signal
[15:07] <red9> What is the sensor resistance range?
[15:07] <argoneus> I didn't buy anything yet, just planning
[15:07] <r3> argoneus: a friend found this tutorial helpful: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/mcp4725-digital-to-analog-converter-hookup-guide
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[15:09] <r3> that links to some additional tutorials in the "Suggested Reading" and also covers ADC
[15:09] <r3> and I personally have used that MCP4725 breakout with I2C and it works well
[15:10] <r3> it eventually links to something on PWM, too [ https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/pulse-width-modulation ]
[15:12] <waveform> argoneus, depends whether you're wanting to "measure" light as in "it's light/it's dark" or whether you want something more fine grained "it's getting lighter". If the former, then an ADC really is overkill, if the latter then it may be worthwhile (although the cap solution I linked will also provide a range of values for different light levels)
[15:13] <argoneus> the latter yeah
[15:13] <argoneus> just not entirely sure where to start (or why the capacitor solution works)
[15:14] <red9> I have used a 0-300 pF capacitive sensor + 20 Mohm resistor in series successfully with the Pi.
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[15:15] <red9> The threeshold voltages and leak current is what matters.
[15:15] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/jQay3E0.png - RPI do not boot, showing red LED? Connected to HDMI2, Powered
[15:15] <red9> You want the time constant ~100 times slower than the time to measure.
[15:16] <waveform> the capacitor solution works by discharging the cap (sets the GPIO to output and low), then sets the GPIO to input and waits for the cap to charge (at which point the GPIO will rise). The longer it takes, the darker it is
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[15:16] <waveform> argoneus, ^^
[15:17] <argoneus> o
[15:17] <argoneus> is the ADC solution somehow bad?
[15:18] <red9> As 'waveform' says.
[15:20] <waveform> argoneus, it's not "bad" as in "won't work" - it will work. It's just "excessive" in as much as similar results can be achieved with simpler/cheaper components. But then that may not be a consideration - it's not as though ADCs are horrifically expensive after all
[15:20] <millican> IamTrying: Have you tried connecting it via ethernet port to the router to see if it's connecting?
[15:20] <millican> You'd have to check the router status for connected devices.
[15:21] <argoneus> well
[15:21] <argoneus> I wanted to graph the lighting in my room throughout the day
[15:21] <argoneus> as an example
[15:21] <red9> So if the lowest resistive value is 5 kohm, the sampling speed is 5000 000 samples/s on the Pi then you need a capacitor with 6 nF.
[15:23] <red9> capacitance = ((1/samples_second*levels_wanted)/0.63)/sensor_low_resistance
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[15:24] <argoneus> w-where did those numbers come from
[15:24] <red9> ((1/5e6*100)/0.63)/5e3 * 1e9 = 6.3 nF
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[15:25] <red9> If you have x 1-bit samples taken per second. And want to get a result with 100 levels. Then the time to fully recharge the capacitor must be time_per_sample * 100.
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[15:26] <red9> The time is dependent on t=RC. But time is when capacitor is filled to 63%. So thus the time needs to be extended with this to get to 99%.
[15:28] <waveform> argoneus, if you want to see what a typical ADC setup might look like: http://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/recipes.html#potentiometer - in that circuit more LEDs light up as the pot is twiddled, but you could stuff a photo-resistor in its place (also worth noting that's an 8-channel ADC which you don't really need, but you hardly save much money buying smaller ones)
[15:28] <red9> So now that you can get the time taken for the worst case then it's just a matter of 2 knowns and 1 unknown.
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[15:29] <r3> argoneus: there exists something like [ https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8688 ]
[15:30] <argoneus> I feel I'm too stupid for this rightn ow
[15:30] <argoneus> the ADC costs like $6 and avoids all this trouble
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[15:30] <r3> argoneus: *and* there's a guide: [ https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/temt6000-ambient-light-sensor-hookup-guide ]
[15:31] <red9> Electronics is trouble ;)
[15:31] <r3> be aware that the guide uses an Arduino, which has different voltage allowances than a Raspberry Pi, but the project is adaptable
[15:32] <argoneus> I don't even understand, like
[15:32] <argoneus> if I hook the ADC with the 3.3V supply, and connect a 5V device to the channel
[15:32] <argoneus> will the GPIO receive 3.3V or 5V?
[15:32] <r3> that sensor provides an analog output, so a ADC in line there would give you digital data over something like I2C which is easily programmable using Python
[15:32] <r3> read the links, really, there is all sorts of information in there.
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[15:33] <r3> it had better receive 3.3V as the Raspberry Pi isn't 5V tolerant on the GPIO pins
[15:34] <Alexander-47u> r3, how to make it tolerant?
[15:34] <Alexander-47u> :P
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> r3, it seems no-one cares these days. just stick a resistor on it and hope for the best.
[15:34] <Alexander-47u> btw, are the gpio layout on all raspberry pi's the same?
[15:34] <r3> depends.
[15:34] <r3> gordonDrogon: I suppose you're right :)
[15:34] <Alexander-47u> gordonDrogon, are you talking about me xD?
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[15:42] <r3> you can use a voltage divider, Alexander-47u, using a 100Ω and 200Ω resistor. See more here: http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/voltage-divider-calculator
[15:43] <r3> Alexander-47u: here here is information on the GPIO layouts of all Pi: https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/simple-guide-to-the-rpi-gpio-header-and-pins/
[15:44] <Alexander-47u> I have a raspberry pi zero w
[15:44] <r3> (except I don't see the Zero on there, but it's the same as the 2/3
[15:44] <Alexander-47u> alright, thanks
[15:44] <r3> oh it does say Zero on that page
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[15:45] <argoneus> meh, I still don't get it
[15:46] <argoneus> apparently for the photosensors you measure resistance, not current/voltage
[15:46] <argoneus> how does an ADC turn that into a number? or do I need to make my own calculations of what the current will be
[15:46] <argoneus> I've gone through the links above but they seem to be mostly "just get this thing and wire it up like this and it will just work"
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[15:48] <phil42> there are several different adc designs, the simplest uses multiple comparators
[15:48] <r3> so if you read more on the theory side, say you hook up the photoresistor breakout I showed you. It outputs *voltage*. To read that you are going to need a ADC. The ADC is going to have some resolution. Some maximum value that it splits all available values into. So in the example on THIS page [ https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/analog-to-digital-conversion ] it shows you how a
[15:48] <r3> voltage becomes a digital number
[15:49] <argoneus> oh, hm
[15:49] <argoneus> I couldn't find that one locally, but e.g. this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016D737Y4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B016D737Y4&linkCode=as2&tag=pimylifeup-20&linkId=ZQ25ZCOOMZTSI4NG
[15:49] <argoneus> it only shows max voltage and the resistances it outputs
[15:49] <r3> ok, those are only the photoresistors, not the breakout which would give you a handy voltage to work with.
[15:50] <argoneus> oh, so you can't use that with an ADC?
[15:50] <red9> argoneus, Set the resistive sensor in a resistor divider. Then measure voltage output.
[15:50] <r3> and since it says right in the name what they are: photo *resistors* they are going to alter their *resistance* depending upon how much light they get.
[15:50] <argoneus> oh, I see
[15:50] <IamTrying> millican: my background was Arduino YUN. Arduino YUN stopped reproducing and it was not able to do HTTPS. therefore i decided to move away to RPI. I placed order i did not realised i need SD card? my RPI do no thave any SD card connected
[15:50] <argoneus> man, this is all so confusing for me
[15:50] <IamTrying> Is there anybody sell "a preconfigured SD card" for RPI
[15:51] <argoneus> why can't you just measure the current?
[15:51] <r3> argoneus: that's why I wanted you to start with the tutorials. Maybe even pick up an Arduino to experiment with. Sparkfun has a *TON* of information for people trying to get started, but you have to commit to learning.
[15:52] <r3> argoneus: because it's not the way those single components work. That's why. You could hook up a multimeter to one and it would show you how much resistance it has, but it's not as useful as voltage which could then be fed to a ADC.
[15:52] <millican> IamTrying: There are vendors of pre-configured SD cards. You can take any microSD and dd a downloaded image to it too.
[15:52] <argoneus> the voltage divider approach seems clever
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[15:53] <millican> *any microSD large enough for your purpose and image size
[15:53] <IamTrying> millican: i am confused i never done that before and my deadline is soon. so i wanted a pro pre-configured SD card so that it plug and play works. later i want to do it myself
[15:53] <IamTrying> millican: 8GB or 64GB i need?
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[15:54] <IamTrying> I will buy one 16GB SD Card i must need this: http://wiringpi.com/. would 16GB enouhg?
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[15:55] <argoneus> if my crappy math is accurate, if I slap the photoresistor with a 10k ohm resistor, I'll get a range of 0.016V - 3.29V
[15:55] <r3> argoneus: so you have a working solution here. The ambient light sensor breakout, and the ADC breakout, both from sparkfun will enable you to measure light and then receive that as digital data, which can then be further programmatically manipulated. It's the simplest solution.
[15:56] <millican> IamTrying: If you're not adding a lot of other stuff besides the operating system, 8GB should be plenty
[15:57] <IamTrying> millican: Perfect. All i need is it boots (headless like Arduino YUN and allow me to on/off pin1,2 and read/write via HTTPS)
[15:57] <millican> The Arduino runs code that gets downloaded to it. The Pi runs an operating system similar to your computer.
[15:57] <Alexander-47u> r3, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114556#p784141
[15:57] <r3> argoneus: here's an ADC breakout that you can use: https://www.adafruit.com/product/935
[15:57] <millican> errr. uploaded to it
[15:57] <Alexander-47u> that last post, im going out to buy a breadboard and a resistor to test this
[15:57] <IamTrying> I just need headless linux millican like Arduino YUN (no fancy GUI or so)
[15:57] <Alexander-47u> as I am lost when it comes to voltage dividers
[15:57] <Alexander-47u> :p
[15:57] <r3> argoneus: er, ignore that - wrong link
[15:58] <Alexander-47u> 'with pull-up 4k6', does he mean 4.6k resistor?
[15:58] <millican> IamTrying: I run mine headless as well. using ethernet helps get that going.
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[15:58] <IamTrying> millican: Oh no next scare part. how do i tell the SD card what is its IP? do i first need GUI or terminal interface?
[15:58] <millican> I typically run "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down" on boot.
[15:59] <millican> you can do that the same way you would in linux.
[15:59] <millican> or configure your router to assign an ip
[15:59] <millican> to the machine
[15:59] <IamTrying> Oh no its more hassle. In Arduino YUN we had built in default Wifi
[15:59] <IamTrying> so from my OSX i could login and overwrite all
[16:00] <IamTrying> OK - millican thanks
[16:00] <millican> once you get it initially set up, you can let it connect automatically by wifi when it boots.
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[16:00] <millican> good luck.
[16:00] <r3> Alexander-47u: 4k6 is a way to write 4.6kΩ
[16:00] <IamTrying> OK :)
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[16:00] <Alexander-47u> how terrible of an idea is it to do it like this guys post?
[16:01] <Alexander-47u> by connecting output to GPIO directly (with pull-up 4k6 to 3V3).
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[16:02] <IamTrying> https://www.sossolutions.nl/3259-8gb-microsd-card-with-noobs-2-0?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt7SIo-Sg2gIVxLUYCh08FADcEAQYAyABEgILHPD_BwE - millican this should have all right?
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[16:03] <r3> Alexander-47u: no idea
[16:03] <Alexander-47u> IamTrying, you are better off buying your own SD card, from a good brand
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[16:03] <Alexander-47u> oke, il just try it with a breadboard, but its raining crazy hard atm and I have to go out and buy one.
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[16:04] <Alexander-47u> r3, can I also use a 5k or 10k resistor instead and have the same effects?
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[16:04] <millican> IamTrying: that should work
[16:04] <r3> argoneus: sorry, the only ADC breakout I can find is this one, https://www.adafruit.com/product/1085 - I can't seem to find the one I had in mind. For that price I might just get an Arduino (RedBoard from Sparkfun) and do the project that way.
[16:04] <IamTrying> Great man thanks a lot millican
[16:05] <r3> Alexander-47u: plug values into the calculator I linked to and find out
[16:05] <Alexander-47u> thank you, i will try xD
[16:06] <argoneus> ufff
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[16:08] <r3> argoneus: here is an all-in-one breakout light sensor: https://www.adafruit.com/product/439
[16:09] <r3> so you would just use that and hook it up to the I2C bus and off you go
[16:09] <r3> argoneus: *and* they have a detailed tutorial! https://learn.adafruit.com/tsl2561/
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[16:11] <r3> argoneus: *and* it seems to come with its own Python library as well! So that makes things *REALLY* easy! https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_TSL2561
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[16:12] <r3> so, hook it up to I2C (with the usualy difficulties, suggestions, tutorials), install the library, and you're done. You then would have the ability to use Python to log data. Couldn't be simpler.
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[16:27] <tdn> Would I be able to use this keyboard with my raspberrypi? Rapoo Ultra-slim E6350? It says bluetooth, but not sure if it is a USB bluetooth receiver or if it requires the rpi to have bluetooth builtin
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[16:37] <ali1234> tdn: bluetooth is bluetooth
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[16:38] <ali1234> even if it comes with a USB receiver, if it is bluetooth it will work with the inbuilt one too
[16:38] <BCMM> tdn: wireless keyboards that need their own, proprietary USB receiver are not bluetooth (this is fairly common)
[16:39] <BCMM> tdn: an actual bluetooth keyboard should pair to any device with bluetooth
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[16:39] <tdn> But there is no bluetooth in my rpi
[16:39] <tdn> So I guess I will need a USB one
[16:39] <BCMM> tdn: then you'll need a bluetooth reciever
[16:39] <BCMM> yes
[16:39] <tdn> What wireless keyboard would you recommend for an rpi used as HTPC (kodi/libreelec)
[16:39] <BCMM> bluetooth keyboards very seldom come with their own bluetooth dongle
[16:40] <BCMM> tdn: really depends what you want
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[16:41] <BCMM> tdn: you can get full-sized ones, mini ones, ones with a touchpad mouse built in, ones with multimedia buttons built in
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[16:41] <BCMM> there's a lot of choice
[16:42] <tdn> BCMM, I want as small and slim as possible. Like the rapoo E9110 maybe. But that does not seem available anywhere ATM
[16:42] <JimBuntu> RT-MWK02+ ( and it comes with it's own dongle and a place to slide it into the KB when not in use )
[16:42] <ali1234> i would recommend either bluetooth or logitech unifying. all the other wireless methods seems to have unpatched security vulnerabilities
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[16:42] <ali1234> bluetooth and logitech did too, but they are the only ones who patched
[16:42] <BCMM> tdn: have you seen this style? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Multi-media-Keyboard-Raspberry-Layout-Black-Black/dp/B00DUUF250
[16:42] <BCMM> tdn: (not a specific recommendation)
[16:43] <JimBuntu> I was looking at this one this morning https://www.amazon.com/Tripsky-Q9-Colorful-Wireless-Raspberry/dp/B07317292D
[16:43] <BCMM> too small to touchtype at any speed on but very handy
[16:43] <tdn> BCMM, wow, I really dislike that :)
[16:43] <tdn> BCMM, I would not want thay laying around in my living room
[16:43] <BCMM> tdn: the picture doesn't really make the size clear - you type with your thumbs like a blackberry
[16:43] <tdn> BCMM, the first one might be alright though
[16:43] <JimBuntu> tdn, what do you think of the RT-MWK02+ ?
[16:44] <BCMM> tdn: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CcWZWLxaL._SY355_.jpg
[16:44] <BCMM> tdn: wait, was it the mini one or the light up colourful one you hated?
[16:44] <tdn> JimBuntu, that looks better. But the design aesthetics are poor. Much better on the rapoo ones.
[16:44] <tdn> BCMM, the one that looks like TI-92 :)
[16:45] <BCMM> tdn: i haven't tried one of those miniture ones. for some reason, the exact same physical case is being sold by a bunch of different brands, some as proprietary wireless, some as bluetooth
[16:45] <tdn> This one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Multi-media-Keyboard-Raspberry-Layout-Black-Black/dp/B00DUUF250
[16:45] <BCMM> i would imagine there's some difference in quality between them
[16:45] <BCMM> oh and some charge from a phone charger, others take AAA
[16:46] <BCMM> just pointing out that there's a category of tiny KBs out there for when you're barely going to type at all
[16:46] <ali1234> you can get ones that look like a remote control, then you flip it around and its a keyboard
[16:46] <BCMM> tdn: but when you say htpc, is it basically just for kodi?
[16:46] <tdn> BCMM, great point. And I almost never type on it
[16:46] <tdn> BCMM, correct. Just for kodi
[16:47] <tdn> BCMM, but my TV does not support using the remote control for tv for kodi
[16:47] <BCMM> tdn: oh
[16:47] <BCMM> tdn: well, that's what i was gonna suggest, but it still might be worth looking at a more remote control-style thing
[16:47] <BCMM> tdn: i mean i just use CEC, and on the rare occasion i want to enter text, i use my phone
[16:47] <BCMM> with the official kodi android remote
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[16:50] <BCMM> tdn: does your TV remote have any extra buttons? like, not CEC, but specific support for that manufacturer's DVD players or something? because there's also the option of listening directly to the TV remote using an IR sensor
[16:50] <tdn> BCMM, yes
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[16:50] <tdn> BCMM, it does have buttons for DVD or something like that
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[16:51] <BCMM> tdn: assuming the TV just ignores those codes, you could totally detect them on the pi and make use of them
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[16:51] <tdn> BCMM, how to detect them on pi? I will need an IR sensor?
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[16:52] <BCMM> tdn: yeah
[16:52] <tdn> BCMM, which one?
[16:52] <tdn> What to look for?
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[16:53] <r3> tdn: here's one: https://www.adafruit.com/product/157
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[16:54] <BCMM> tdn: there have been USB IR receivers around for HTPCs since long before the Pi. you can also put an IR receiver on the pi's GPIO at *very* little cost, like this one https://www.adafruit.com/product/157
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[16:55] <BCMM> tutorial here, complete with software setup https://learn.adafruit.com/using-an-ir-remote-with-a-raspberry-pi-media-center/
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[16:55] <BCMM> LIRC can be fiddly to set up, but it's very powerful. it can run IR LEDs too, in case you want your pi to be able to turn on your TV or something
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[16:57] <DeadKaptain> hey all
[16:57] * DeadKaptain wave to IT_Sean
[16:57] <DeadKaptain> i do listen sometimes
[16:58] <DeadKaptain> anyone in #raspberrypi know of a cheaper pi build kit along the lines of a Kano?
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[16:58] <DeadKaptain> while i want to encourage wifes nephew to play and code (8 years old) - i cant afford the £230 for the Kano kit
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[17:01] <r3> DeadKaptain: why not a Pi Zero starter kit for $33? http://a.co/35Dbgac
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> DeadKaptain, many kits from Pimoroni.
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> DeadKaptain, https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-zero-complete-starter-kit �30
[17:02] <GeekOfflineNL> 8years old and already trying to get him coding?
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[17:05] <rycuda> Fine IT_Sean you win.
[17:05] <DeadKaptain> r3: as he is a nephew and only 8 i was hoping for something he could pick and would walk him through everything rather than lean on me to heavily - we dont live near. but yeah a simple pi zero kit owuld be cheapest
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[17:05] <rycuda> I assume you've already seen stuff like scratch DeadKaptain?
[17:07] <DeadKaptain> yeah rycuda - but simple steps first - all thats stuff is cool for later learning. this is first step stuff
[17:08] <DeadKaptain> maybe i do just get him latest pi and a case
[17:08] <DeadKaptain> then let him loose
[17:08] <rycuda> It's not a terrible plan if he's already got a keyboard, mouse and monitor available.
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[17:16] <r3> DeadKaptain: there's this: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/activity-guide-for-sparkfun-tinker-kit
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[17:18] <r3> my wife (who is new to electronics) enjoyed these and made some cool stuff: https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/135
[17:21] <r3> and I am planning to get a young cousin one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12649 ... as she is interested in robots and electronics
[17:22] <Owner> what are the tricks to get ttyAMA0 working........
[17:22] <Owner> i got a ttyUSB working, but cant get ttyAMA working...
[17:23] <Owner> something needed in config.txt?
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[17:27] <r3> be specific, Owner. Working how? How is it hooked up? What are you using to talk to it? What isn't working? What does 'dmesg' tell you? What else have you tried? Not a mind reader.
[17:28] <Owner> its hooked up with 3 wires
[17:28] <BurtyB> and what pi do you have
[17:28] <Owner> 3b+
[17:29] <BurtyB> then it's most likely hooked up to bluetooth internally - you probably want /dev/serial0 (ttyS0) unless you swap them over (see https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/uart.md )
[17:29] <r3> hooked up to what? Which three wires? How do you know it isn't working? Seriously, dude
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[17:32] <r3> BurtyB: yow, I wouldn't have guessed that - I imagine you've run into that issue?
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[17:39] <Owner> r3: i dont have the serial cable here, im just told it works in centos
[17:40] <Owner> BurtyB: thanks
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[17:46] <DeadKaptain> sorry - work... where was i?
[17:47] <DeadKaptain> thats cool r3 - might put that in the pot of suggestions for wife
[17:49] <BurtyB> r3, I have a Pi serial hooked up to my desktop for console access so something I had to learn when the Pi 3 came out and broke things ;)
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[18:41] <SkyWay> a tutorial on how to get ipv6 on my raspberry ?
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[18:43] <mfa298> SkyWay: plug it into an IPv6 network, there's not much more needed (unless you want something else)
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[18:44] <SkyWay> my laptop has ipv6 connectivity
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[18:44] <SkyWay> but ifconfig on my pi says nothing
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[18:44] <SkyWay> let me paste the output ..
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[18:45] <SkyWay> https://paste.ofcode.org/xGTQCVpMyd2xZGu8R4hecc
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[18:46] <SkyWay> other device in my lan has ipv6 adress..
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[18:46] <SkyWay> something must be wrong with the pi
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[18:51] <BurtyB> SkyWay, what protocol does your router use? I use radvd (Neighbor Discovery Protocol) and it just works here
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[18:51] <SkyWay> i have an ISP provided router, so .. no luck there
[18:51] <SkyWay> can't tell
[18:55] <mfa298> SkyWay: what does the start of the IPv6 address on your laptop look like (just up to the first :)
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[18:56] <SkyWay> inet6 addr: fe80::4d70
[18:56] <SkyWay> inet6 addr: 2a02:2f02:a02
[18:56] <SkyWay> this part ?
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[18:57] <mfa298> yes, so the fe80 is a local address (only on that network segment) and the 2a02 address is a global address.
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[18:57] <mfa298> interestingly your pi doesn't appear to have an fe80 either which would suggest ipv6 has been disabled for some reason, which isn't the default in raspbian.
[18:58] <mfa298> Ipv6 has just worked for me on raspbian for years.
[18:58] <mfa298> ifconfig should have some "inet6 lines"
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[18:59] <mfa298> one possibility maybe if you've got a mismatched kernel and modules (e.g. if you did an update but not rebooted yet)
[19:00] <mfa298> output of lsmod might show if that's the case. there ought to be several modules loaded including ipv6
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[19:01] <SkyWay> output of `lsmod`:https://paste.ofcode.org/xyjmUr33DwkiA8FPTzFV3H
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[19:03] <mfa298> SkyWay: do you have some non standard network config on the pi (i.e. have you changed stuff from /etc/dhcpcd.conf ?)
[19:04] <SkyWay> no, just on /etc/modules
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[19:04] <SkyWay> but now i've deleted ipv6 from there
[19:04] <SkyWay> i saw somewhere something with editing there, and insmod..
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[19:05] <SkyWay> mfa298, this is that my /etc/dhcpcd.conf looks like: https://paste.ofcode.org/vMV3YqUARczuU7DfSTgewX
[19:05] <mfa298> ipv6 should be loaded, I was wondering if you had some different config with all the extra modules loaded.
[19:06] <mfa298> do you have a firewall configured (seeing all those extra netfilter modules)
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[19:07] <SkyWay> pi-hole
[19:07] <SkyWay> just that, no firewall configured
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[19:08] <mfa298> hmmm, I wonder if the pi-hole setup does something to disable IPv6, that might be somewhere to investigate.
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[19:10] <SkyWay> i'm trying a new method now ..
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[19:12] <mfa298> maybe look at the sysctl.conf settings, i think that's how some people disable ipv6
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[19:13] <SkyWay> https://paste.ofcode.org/QgMTwKWrMpBkCQfC38KXZw --- here it is
[19:13] <SkyWay> thanks for your time by the way!
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[20:14] <Alexander-47u> hi all, I want to connect a 5v hall-effect sensor on a raspberry pi zero
[20:14] <Alexander-47u> https://snag.gy/TLlSRk.jpg
[20:15] <Alexander-47u> i am very inexperienced with breadboards, and was wondering if this what I sketched doesnt blow up my pi
[20:15] <Alexander-47u> i couldnt find a water flow sensor, so I used dht22 for this example instead
[20:16] <Alexander-47u> I am trying to get this situation as described in the following raspberrypi forum post
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[20:16] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230#p803562
[20:16] <SkyWay> not good i think
[20:17] <Alexander-47u> im guessing i made a mistake with the resistor/yellow wire
[20:17] <SkyWay> my bad, it seems good
[20:17] <SkyWay> no
[20:17] <SkyWay> the yellow wire (data) shoud have resistor with red wire (vcc)
[20:18] <SkyWay> but at the moment i think you have short
[20:18] <Alexander-47u> please see the topic post
[20:18] <Alexander-47u> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118230#p803562
[20:18] <Alexander-47u> im pretty sure it should be with the orange wire, the 3.3v raspberry pi gpio pin
[20:18] <SkyWay> yellow wire and orange wire ..
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[20:20] <Alexander-47u> The yellow wire should be connected to the gpio. The pull-up should in effect be on the wire pulling the output/gpio up to 3V3 through the 10K resistor. In effect connect either the gpio or the output pin to 3V3 through a 10K resistor.
[20:20] <Alexander-47u> not the red, 5v wire
[20:20] <Alexander-47u> its a hall effect sensor
[20:22] <Alexander-47u> i am not sure where to put the 10k resistor
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[20:24] <SkyWay> between vcc and data pin of sensor
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[20:26] <DexDeadly> Hey guys, so I had a quick question. I am working on a controller and i setup uwsgi to launch my app on startup. The issue though is it is saying my one module does not exist.
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[20:27] <DexDeadly> I installed the module via pip and pip3. If I launch it via cmd line it works fine but when I let nginx and uwgsi do it I get Traceback (most recent call last): File "./simplyfishy.py", line 2, in <module> import gpio_control as GC File "./gpio_control.py", line 2, in <module> from pushbullet import Pushbullet ImportError: No module named pushbullet
[20:28] <DexDeadly> from what I found is that pip installed the module in Location: /home/pi/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages
[20:28] <DexDeadly> why does launching using uwgsi not look at that?
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[20:52] <Alexander-47u> anyone?
[20:52] <TooLmaN> DexDeadly: Because nginx and uwsgi do not run as the user pi
[20:52] <TooLmaN> Setup uswgi to run a virtualenv with your modules
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[20:54] <DexDeadly> I am using flask
[20:55] <DexDeadly> hmm ok
[20:55] <Alexander-47u> https://snag.gy/EuJH5r.jpg
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[20:57] <TooLmaN> DexDeadly: I use flask, nginx and uswgi as well.
[20:57] <DexDeadly> so i gotta setup the nginx file for it?
[20:59] <TooLmaN> DexDeadly: I'm digging through my notes
[20:59] <DexDeadly> I used this
[20:59] <DexDeadly> https://iotbytes.wordpress.com/python-flask-web-application-on-raspberry-pi-with-nginx-and-uwsgi/
[20:59] <Alexander-47u> O_O
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[21:01] <TooLmaN> DexDeadly: Here's a project I have running using flask, nginx and uwsgi. https://github.com/ssharpjr/tpi-iq-webapi/blob/master/v1.2/server_config_files/etc/init/webapi.conf
[21:02] <TooLmaN> The uWSGI service runs the virtualenv
[21:02] <TooLmaN> This is on an Ubu server that my RPIs talk to.
[21:03] <TooLmaN> I hope that helps
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[21:03] <DexDeadly> ahh
[21:03] <DexDeadly> yea I got a pi that I am turning into an aquarium controller.
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[21:05] <DexDeadly> all runs fine until I try this uwsgi, the sock file connects but then as mentioned above it can't import the pushbullet.py module saying its not there
[21:06] <DexDeadly> that lines out of the uwgsi.log file that is created via that link I showed you.
[21:08] <TooLmaN> If you 'sudo pip install' it will install in the global site-packages. Not always recommended but it should solve this issue. I would recommend always using a virtualenv.
[21:11] <DexDeadly> i did pip install and pipinstall3 so I know its there
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[21:30] <ericus> any workarounds to boot other images than Raspbian on the RPI3B+?
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[22:03] <ericus> Is there no sensors on the RPI?
[22:03] <darsie> There are GPIOs.
[22:03] <ericus> nothing onboard?
[22:03] <darsie> Digital inputs.
[22:03] <IT_Sean> ericus: nothing onboard. Add yer own
[22:03] <ericus> mkay
[22:03] <darsie> camera
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[22:08] <ericus> bothers me that I can't use my RPI3B+ for other than Raspbian
[22:08] <Tenkawa> you can
[22:09] <Tenkawa> why do you think you cant?
[22:09] <ericus> how?
[22:09] <Voop> well a lot of distros arent updated for it
[22:09] <Tenkawa> Voop: anything that runs on a 3 will run on it
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[22:09] <ericus> yes exactly Voop
[22:10] <Voop> i dont have a 3 so talking out my butt mostly
[22:10] <Tenkawa> it may not take advantage of the full 64 bit but its still there
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[22:10] <Voop> but i heard most distros arent fully compatible
[22:10] <Voop> for some reason
[22:10] <ericus> No Tenkawa, I can't get Kali to boot
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[22:11] <Tenkawa> ericus: did Kali work with a 3?
[22:11] <ericus> yup
[22:11] <Tenkawa> whats the boot error
[22:11] <ericus> rainbow screen
[22:11] <ericus> forever, never boots from that
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[22:14] <Tenkawa> I dont use Kali so I cant help there unfortunately.. first thing I'd do is tell it to do is not to use the splash screen on boot so you can debug
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[22:15] <ericus> the hardware is a little bit different, so I guess compiling a new kernel would be the way
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[22:15] <ericus> wifi for example
[22:17] <Voop> i dont see why the wireless chipset would matter
[22:17] <Voop> but then again im a retard so i dont know for sure
[22:17] <Voop> it has the same processor
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[22:59] <methuzla> Tenkawa, 3B+ needs updated firmware. not even pre 2018/03/13 raspbian will boot. the rainbow screen is this: https://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
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[22:59] <mfa298> Tenkawa: Voop: the 3B+ need... what (s)he said &&
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[23:06] <Tenkawa> fun
[23:07] <Tenkawa> I'll be getting mine in a day or so
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[23:07] <Tenkawa> I build most of my own non binary stuff anyway
[23:08] <CoJaBo> but can it do h.265?
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[23:33] <mfa298> CoJaBo: maybe marginly better than the Pi3B, but probably not by much (slightly faster clock speed and better thermal)
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