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IRC Log for 2018-04-06

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[0:30] <Voop> .2
[0:30] <Voop> 2
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[0:37] <Voop> i asked a question last night and was directed to a forum post
[0:38] <Voop> but im gonna ask again because im a noob
[0:39] <Voop> i want to send a signal to a gpio pin, which will trigger a script or something
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[0:40] <Voop> but i have to trigger it with a way higher voltage than the gpio can handle
[0:40] <cirdan> use a relay
[0:40] <Voop> what is the best method to step the voltage down to 3v? using resistors seems like a lot of math
[0:40] <stiltr> or a voltage divider
[0:40] <stiltr> (voltage divider = resistors)
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[0:41] <Voop> with a relay id need a 3v power source would i not
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[0:41] <stiltr> Yes. You have one on the GPIO though.
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[0:41] <cirdan> yup
[0:42] <Voop> so i could just loop the 3.3v pin through the relay to the pin i want to make high
[0:42] <stiltr> Yep
[0:42] <Voop> would using a buck converter cause any problems
[0:43] <Voop> all the relays i have are pretty big
[0:43] <stiltr> To step your voltage down to 3V3?
[0:43] <Voop> yes
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[0:45] <stiltr> It would probably be fine, but you'd have to make sure it didn't do anything funny when you apply power. What's the input voltage and where is it coming from?
[0:46] <stiltr> By funny, I mean weird voltage spikes or something like that.
[0:46] <cirdan> i think there are 3v relays
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[0:47] <Voop> stiltr: 24v, coming from a fixed 24v power supply
[0:48] <stiltr> So whatever turns on the PSU is the event you're interested in, or is there a relay switching the 24V?
[0:48] <Voop> the former
[0:49] <Voop> i guess there is a relay switching the 24v
[0:49] <Voop> not sure what the difference is
[0:49] <stiltr> So you're basically wanting to monitor the PSU?
[0:49] <Voop> no... 24v is coming out of a PLC
[0:50] <Voop> to a light that indicates an error
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[0:50] <stiltr> Oh, gotcha! That makes more sense.
[0:51] <stiltr> Personally I'd go with a voltage divider, but a relay is probably the next best option.
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[0:52] <Voop> well with the resistor option (voltage divider) id need to be regulating the current as well as the voltage, right?
[0:53] <stiltr> Not really. The input pin on the Pi won't sink much current.
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[0:58] <stiltr> Here's a decent tutorial from sparkfun on voltage dividers. https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-dividers/
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[0:58] <Voop> thanks
[0:59] <stiltr> Something like a 10k and a 1.5k should get you a usable voltage.
[1:00] <Squarism> Can someone recommend some low power device that is more suitable for audio streaming? Ie a better sound card than raspberry. Preferable a mass market product rather than some niche brand.
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[1:01] <stiltr> I can't say I know of any off hand. I have see people using Pi's with DAC hats though.
[1:01] <Voop> or just a usb dac
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[1:07] <DexDeadly> Heres a question, working on a app and I'm trying to get a .sock to create upon boot
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[1:07] <DexDeadly> it does not create but if I restart the service the .sock creates
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[1:11] <stiltr> Is the service running before the fs is mounted?
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[1:15] <DexDeadly> not sure how to check that
[1:16] <Voop> stiltr: one more noob question. these relays i have kicking around are apparently "5v relays"
[1:16] <Voop> what does the 5v in the title imply
[1:17] <DexDeadly> not sure how to check that
[1:17] <DexDeadly> https://pastebin.com/1cv9TixR
[1:17] <DexDeadly> here is my service file
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[1:20] <JohnyTheSmith> so, if i use curl http://remote.server/remotefilename --output localfilename repeatedly, is there a conflict or will it just overwrite the old file?
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[1:23] <AfonsoHenriques> hey guys, hope you are all fine. I overclocked my RPi3 (following the exact same parameters suggested in "Ultimate Book of Pi", the speed improvement is easily visible, but, well, it still lags when I run YouTube, for instance. I also set RPi to have 2560x1080 res. Using Raspbian. Is it normal (because of, v.g., hardware limitations)?
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[1:25] <Voop> yeah its a $35 computer
[1:25] <stiltr> Voop: Probably they're for using 5V to switch the relay on/off, but it's hard to say for sure based on that.
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[1:26] <DexDeadly> https://pastebin.com/jcLq9576 this is what the status shows when I first load the pi
[1:26] <DexDeadly> but if I run restart it the sock is created and then it works fine
[1:27] <AfonsoHenriques> yeah but I know that $35 computer is magical. A friend of a friend made a security system for a shopping store with face recon with RPi. The other run wordpress in the RPi Zero.
[1:27] <stiltr> I'm not a systemd guy, so I'm not sure how much help I can give.
[1:27] <AfonsoHenriques> Therefore, my doubt is pretty reasonable, isn't?
[1:28] <AfonsoHenriques> "The other (dude I know)* run wordpress" -- fixed.
[1:29] <DexDeadly> hmmm ok thanks
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[1:30] <stiltr> DexDeadly: It looks like you've got a connection error, maybe it's trying to connect before you've got internet access?
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[1:34] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: I just tried it on my box and it overwrote the existing file. Just give it a try.
[1:36] <AfonsoHenriques> Btw, do you guys know a apt-get remove command to wipe all the kid/math stuff from Raspbian?
[1:36] <AfonsoHenriques> an*
[1:36] <stiltr> AfonsoHenriques: It depends on how your browser handles the video decoding, I imagine.
[1:36] <AfonsoHenriques> [abstract the lame english of mine; thanks in advance]
[1:36] <stiltr> Also, you can just use the Lite image, if you don't want all that.
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[1:40] <AfonsoHenriques> stiltr, dude, dude, you're right. I remember using Netflix without zero overclocking, but YT videos puts my RPi in total Alzheimers, everything starts to stuck and and buggy and ctrl+alt+f3 sudo reboot now
[1:41] <AfonsoHenriques> Raspbian Lite doesnt have a graphic interface, right?
[1:41] <JohnyTheSmith> right
[1:41] <AfonsoHenriques> but - this is a noob question - we can install one, right?
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[1:42] <JohnyTheSmith> yeah, dont know exactly how as i just use the console and cronjobs but im sure you can
[1:42] <stiltr> AfonsoHenriques: I don't think it has one to start out with, but you can install it with apt.
[1:43] <DexDeadly> Yea I see that part it cant connect there which is odd
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[1:43] <stiltr> AfonsoHenriques: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=133691
[1:44] <DexDeadly> lets see if I set it to wait for network before boot
[1:44] <AfonsoHenriques> stiltr, thanks man, I was about to paste this link here, too.
[1:44] <stiltr> AfonsoHenriques: No worries.
[1:44] <JohnyTheSmith> speaking of cron, can i tell cron that i want something done every 10 minutes starting from a full hour or a full hour +1 minute (so itd run at 1:01, 1:11, 1:21 , 1:31,...,...,)?
[1:45] <JohnyTheSmith> every 10 minutes is simple, but i have 2 things and itd want the second one be done 1 minute after the first
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[1:46] <stiltr> https://crontab.guru/#1_*_*_*_*
[1:47] <AfonsoHenriques> I love this little cpu. Looks so simple (and cute, cmon, it is cute), but so useful.
[1:49] <mateothegreat> any ideas on getting a dual ethernet pi w/an enclosure to match?
[1:50] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: Sorry, I was thinking 1:01, 2:01, etc. You might be better off running a script with cron that kicks off job1 and then job2 when it's done.
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[1:52] <AfonsoHenriques> I'd like to make stuff with it... I can't because have the curse to born in a society that not even Gd knows how the fck it still exists: Brèsil. There's no adafruit or microcenter (but brothels and hellholes? Every corner of every street).
[1:52] <JohnyTheSmith> stiltr well, i wouldnt know when its done that easily i dont think. the first is accessing a remote .php script with curl, this script will generate a file on that remote server (among other things), i then want to download that file (or rather, the new version of it) which is a shell script which id then execute...
[1:54] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: As long as the php script doesn't finish loading the page until the files are generated, you're fine.
[1:55] <JohnyTheSmith> right... it shouldnt :) thanks stiltr
[1:55] <AfonsoHenriques> I wish to integrate RPi with voice recon and other sensors. Since here people sells (and not that much) arduino stuff, I'd be able to do the said through Arduino+RPi? How?
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[1:56] <AfonsoHenriques> Which book(s) (aside one of elementary English [inb4 funny guy jokes]) is recommended to learn such matter?
[1:58] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: No worries!
[1:58] <stiltr> AfonsoHenriques: Sorry, I can't recommend any books.
[1:58] <AfonsoHenriques> thanks
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[2:01] * stiv saw a speech recognition hat somewhere the other day
[2:03] <stiv> ah! here. for arduino https://www.audeme.com/movi.html
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[2:04] <stiv> all done locally, no google cloud or such
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[2:10] <AfonsoHenriques> thanks
[2:10] <AfonsoHenriques> !
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[2:23] <JohnyTheSmith> stiltr huh, thats strange. When i run curl myself, it gives me the page just fine (basicly empty but noticable as response), if i put the same command in an .sh file and run that, it tells me "curl: (3) Illegal characters found in URL"
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[2:24] <schm0> Evenin'
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[2:25] <extorr> Has anyone here played with SDR cards and achieved any semblance of satisfaction or education from it? I have a budget of $50 to blow on amazon and was thinking of grabbing one of those SDR cards to examine all the RF around me. Would need an adapter to grab the 1.7Gz plus range if I recall.
[2:26] <schm0> Opened up a thread here, but haven't gotten really far with it: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=210152&p=1298146#p1298146
[2:26] <schm0> If anyone could help troubleshoot my pi zero that would be great
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[2:28] <cirdan> schm0: you could build an ads reciever an watch the planes that fly near
[2:28] <cirdan> https://flightaware.com/adsb/piaware/build
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[2:28] <schm0> I think you mean extorr, cirdan
[2:29] <cirdan> yeah sorry
[2:29] <schm0> np
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[2:34] <Tenkawa> time to build my rpi 3+ :)
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[2:35] <Tenkawa> the board definitely looks different
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[2:36] <cirdan> is there a place people can post howtos and stuff? I got zfs root working it wasn't too bad once I knew what was going on
[2:37] <Tenkawa> cirdan: very nice
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[2:37] <cirdan> yeah, one of the hard things is /boot is so small, makes the initrd a bit of a pain
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[2:57] <schm0> screw it, i'm just going to wipe the disk and start over
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[3:17] <tristero> cirdan: you can make a forum post (probably under raspbian?) with a descriptive title so it can be found when others are searching
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[3:17] <cirdan> tristero: i'm going to try to get it added to https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Getting-Started
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[3:45] <millican> Is there a way to install Jessie on the Pi3B+?
[3:46] <millican> or, does anyone know of an OS for the Pi3 B+ that uses mysql instead of mariadb?
[3:49] * millican tosses the B+ into the garbage and orders a regular Pi3.
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[3:55] <Tenkawa> uggghh rfkill is annoying
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[4:12] <JohnyTheSmith> So, where can i learn more about cron? Doesnt do what i want it to. One of the lines is "*/2 * * * * ipfs daemon" which, if im not mistaken, would mean that it should do that commands every two minutes (well, of course if its allready running it doesnt start again, but even if that were a problem which it shouldnt be, ive set it to such a short time to see how cron works and its not
[4:12] <JohnyTheSmith> running... What am i missing?
[4:13] <Tenkawa> do you see anything in the cron log or are you outputting anything to a log?
[4:13] <Tenkawa> did you HUP the daemon after you made the change?
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[4:14] <JohnyTheSmith> in both cases, not to my knowledge
[4:14] <Tenkawa> just a sec..
[4:14] <leftyfb> JohnyTheSmith: if this is a daemon, you shouldn't be sticking it in a cron job
[4:14] <leftyfb> JohnyTheSmith: You should be creating a systemd unit to start it on boot
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[4:15] <JohnyTheSmith> leftyfb okay. Well, i dont turn it off anyways, but sometimes the daemon has memory issues and eventualy shuts down and id like to have it started again in that case
[4:16] <leftyfb> JohnyTheSmith: systemd will do that for you
[4:16] <JohnyTheSmith> allright
[4:16] <leftyfb> JohnyTheSmith: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html
[4:17] <JohnyTheSmith> leftyfb thanks
[4:17] <leftyfb> JohnyTheSmith: Restart=on-failure
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[5:45] <JohnyTheSmith> so, my .service doesnt seem to work and its probably obvious why, im ignorant. here are my results https://pastebin.com/xu8Ai945
[5:46] <JohnyTheSmith> Very pleased with the cronjobs i set up though
[5:47] <JohnyTheSmith> (not directly in relation to this, just mentioning it)
[5:53] <larsks> JohnyTheSmith: if you just run "/usr/local/bin/ipfs daemon" yourself on the command line (as root), does it work?
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[5:56] <JohnyTheSmith> ah, no. i see the problem, not sure of a solution...
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[5:57] <JohnyTheSmith> yeah, thats a problem. id not run ipfs by directly going to that file, i can just type ipfs daemon wherever... but it had to be initialised and has a specific location set for its repe which also contain my files...
[5:58] <larsks> Do you mean you have to start it from a specific directory?
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[5:59] <JohnyTheSmith> no, i dont
[6:00] <JohnyTheSmith> it automaticly assumes the directory i initialised... except if i start the file directly its complaint is "Error: no IPFS repo found in /root/.ipfs" - yeah thats not there
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[6:02] <JohnyTheSmith> thats in /home/pi/ipfs - it doesnt matter which directory im currently in, if i just type ipfs daemon it knows the initialised directory, directly starting the file on the other hand doesnt work
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[6:05] <larsks> Huh. It's been a while since I ran ipfs. I'm probably not going to be much help, I guess.
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[6:06] <JohnyTheSmith> no problem
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[6:45] <CaptHindsight> anyone know the status of the open firmware and bootloader for the Rpi?
[6:45] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware
[6:45] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/issues/31
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[7:21] <jsoft> Ok I have a pi, No spare monitor/hdmi, serial does not seem to be working, no network cable ( that I can find ).
[7:21] <jsoft> How do I get this thing to boot into serial
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[7:21] <jsoft> Or with a serial console
[7:21] <jsoft> I know I probably have to have enable_console=1 or whatever it is
[7:22] <jsoft> But how do I get that on there.
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[7:24] <Xark> jsoft: Typically edit SD card in PC (or enable SSH).
[7:27] <Zardoz> most like need to enable SSH one sec
[7:28] <Zardoz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[7:28] <Zardoz> look at option 3
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[7:30] <jsoft> Yeah the highly annoying thing about all this is my pc does not have amicro sd slot
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[7:31] <Zardoz> yeah SSH used to be on by default, but that posed a huge security risk.
[7:33] <Zardoz> it good to invest in a USB to SD card reader anyways...
[7:33] <jsoft> Whats the normal login for rpi's ?
[7:34] <Zardoz> user: pi Pass: raspberry
[7:37] <jsoft> And then id need to sudo right ?
[7:38] <jsoft> It's a long shot, but I might be able to type all the cmds in blind
[7:38] <Zardoz> yeah any root level will need sudo
[7:38] <JimBuntu> josft, you said you didn't have any SPARE monitors... do you not even have one that you can use only for the moment to config SSH?
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[7:40] <JimBuntu> If no network cable available, SSH isn't going to do you much good, is it?
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[7:43] * CoJaBo had no HDMI monitors OR a video cable when I got my first pi
[7:44] <CoJaBo> I had to use a regular audio cable and lots of fiddling to get ssh up <_<
[7:44] <JimBuntu> CoJaBo, you didn't even have a card writer?
[7:45] <CoJaBo> JimBuntu: There was no documentation on how to enable it that way; it's easy now, but then it was hopeless
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[7:46] <CoJaBo> Until fairly recently, all my pi's had a bug where SSH would only stay enabled for a few months; after that, it would turn off PERMANENTLY until the card was reimaged. So I'd have to start all over again <_<
[7:47] <CoJaBo> Whatever bug was causing that seems to at least be fixed
[7:47] <JimBuntu> whoa, that's bad and would be a deal-breaker for me.
[7:47] <jsoft> Fuck yeah :D
[7:47] <jsoft> I edited the config file blind :D
[7:47] <jsoft> Serial console is up :)
[7:47] <JimBuntu> Perhaps it's a good thing that I don't use Raspbian
[7:47] <CoJaBo> I haven't encountered it at all this year, despite having many more pi's
[7:48] <Zardoz> jsoft: lol nice one...
[7:49] <jsoft> top and things don't work so flash in the serial console, but meh
[7:50] <jsoft> Yay for knowing vi :)
[7:50] <CoJaBo> vim ftw
[7:50] <CoJaBo> (and nano for when I'm lazy :P)
[7:51] <jsoft> vi/vim, whatever :)
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[9:35] <h4x3> hi does somebody knows a project to use the pi as a presentation monitor/welcome screen?
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[9:39] <Eljotto> h4x3, yeah, connect rpi to a screen and run your presentation/welcome screen on it
[9:39] <red9> ;)
[9:40] <h4x3> yeah this is simple for administrators but not for receptionists
[9:40] <h4x3> want to keep it simple
[9:40] <red9> h4x3, the base problem is that neither input or requirements is sufficiently specified.
[9:41] <red9> Is it to record a video or typing some text that is displayed etc. Does it need to be networked like X11 etc.
[9:41] <Eljotto> that ^
[9:42] <JimBuntu> There is a good video looping app that runs at boot... can't remember it's name :-(
[9:43] <h4x3> somethin like a powerpoint presentation which automatically starts at startup.
[9:44] <JimBuntu> h4x3, Well, if you can make a video of your presentation... then https://www.maketecheasier.com/raspberry-pi-looping-video-player/
[9:44] <h4x3> this is a good idea.
[9:45] <JimBuntu> I made one of these for the sales team, super easy to hook up to a rental TV at expos/shows. Set-it-and-forget-it easy. Especially when you have the removal of a USB dongle trigger shutdown
[9:46] <h4x3> this can work
[9:46] <h4x3> you can in powerpoint say save as mpeg4 video
[9:46] <h4x3> so they can take the presentation and make a video of it
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[10:10] <extorr> Has anyone here played with SDR cards and achieved any semblance of satisfaction or education from it? I have a budget of $50 to blow on amazon and was thinking of grabbing one of those SDR cards to examine all the RF around me. Would need an adapter to grab the 1.7Gz plus range if I recall.
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[10:12] <Habbie> i have one from the rtl sdr blog and it works well for simple things
[10:12] <Habbie> FM radio, tracking airplanes, catching my RC car remote
[10:12] <Habbie> haven't tried it with the pi to be clear but it should be fine
[10:12] <Habbie> i think i spend $25-$30 on it
[10:12] <Habbie> i think that one is limited to 1.9ghz though
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[10:17] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/Szs77Y1.png - I boot the RPI with SD card which has NOOB on it. But it always boot to Linux, how do i tell it to boot on Windows 10?
[10:20] <mfa298> extorr: there's certainly a bunch of stuff that can be done with an rlsdr and a Pi (even the Pi1) although some of the gui options may need a bit more CPU than the Pi can provide
[10:20] <IamTrying> Why when i press SHIFT it only showing "RaspBian [recommended][installed] ?
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[10:21] <mfa298> IamTrying: Win10 on the Pi isn't the same as Win10 on your desktop/laptop (and I'm not sure how you go about installing Win10 IOT on the Pi - it's not something many people use)
[10:22] <extorr> Habbie, mfa298 there's a sort of a micro SDR too that can supposedly hook up to an android and possibly an rpi
[10:22] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/tTH9BiC.png - i must need windows 10 on Pi board. this is what i get when i go to shift menu, mfa298
[10:23] <Habbie> is there even windows 10 on noobs?
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[10:24] <mfa298> extorr: there's a whole range of SDR devices (I've got a few different ones), I did try an rtlsdr on android with an OTG cable (I suspect that's effectively all the microSDR for android you've see is) and that seemed to do some stuff a while ago.
[10:25] <IamTrying> YES - https://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/09/06/174231b5-3e9b-4cd4-908a-0efe9c3f531d/resize/770x/d9c119d49643307de2492c55e155ae48/step3.jpg Habbie
[10:25] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/tTH9BiC.png - but mine is not showing; why?
[10:26] <mfa298> the biggest issue with SDR is some operations (particularly doing FFT stuff for graphical displays) require a lot of CPU - If you don't need the visuals you can do a lot more.
[10:27] <IamTrying> Some ICT's are ass 0le. I bought yesterday SD card for to have default linux and then bought new SD card saying i need Windows 10 on it. He send me same linux on both SD cards. i hate this.
[10:27] <mfa298> IamTrying: with NOOBS I think if you want to install anything other than raspbian it needs to be connected to the internet to download the available images.
[10:27] <mfa298> IamTrying: what are you planning to do with Win10 on the Pi ?
[10:28] <IamTrying> mfa298: i have 2 SD cards 1 for Linux which works. second SD card i expected that it have Win10 but which is not the case it has the same linux. How do i get windows 10 on it? I must need win10 because i need to test my C++/C# apps on it
[10:29] <extorr> mfa298, so it's not worth messing with androids and sdrs? It does make everything portable
[10:30] <mfa298> IamTrying: as I said before Win10 on the Pi isn't the same as Win10 on your PC/Laptop which is why I asked what you plan on doing with it.
[10:30] <mfa298> IamTrying: I've not used NOOBS and I've not used Win10 IOT Core on the Pi so I can't really help with either. But I suspect after you've managed to get it working you'll be disappointed as it's not what you might be expecting it to be.
[10:30] <IamTrying> mfa298: i have to compile C++/C# codes for my client who only want to use Win10 on RPI. before release i have to test it therefore i need Win10 only on the RPI board
[10:32] <IamTrying> mfa298: linux works great. but i cant distribute linux because i signed a contract RPI with Windows10 IOT-OS, and my custom apps written in Qt/C++11/C# source code as MIT license to them.
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[10:33] <mfa298> extorr: depends what you want out of the SDR. When I looked (several years ago) the android apps let you do things similar to sdr#/gqrx. other stuff might be easier on the Pi
[10:34] <mfa298> IamTrying: I'd suggest reading the MS pages then on how to get it installed and how to use it, from memory they had a fair bit of documentation about it.
[10:35] <extorr> mfa298, I would start off just exploring and using it to pentest possibly
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[10:35] <extorr> Would be nice to see what I can pick up by sniffing GSM and CDMA traffic from my own phones
[10:35] <extorr> And 4G and LTE or what have you
[10:37] <mfa298> you probably want to be able to play with gnuradio then, I'd also suggest looking through some of the HackRF stuff, the guy behind that has done a series of video tutorials on SDR (aimed at the HackRF but most should work with other SDRs)
[10:38] <IamTrying> Thank you mfa298. I felt like stupid. i purchase the SD cards from experts https://www.gotron.be/16gb-micro-sd-sandisk-class-10-preloaded-with-noobs.html, they said it comes with a choice LibreELEC - Media Centre OS, OSMC (Linux), Raspbian, Windows 10 IoT core , so i bought 2 SD card pre-installed one Raspbian and second one for Windows. Now after boot both only has Raspbian. i wanted to avoid doing it mys
[10:38] <IamTrying> elf but i think its just not going to happen.
[10:38] <extorr> Does the RTL even reach GSM frequencies?
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[10:39] <mfa298> depends on the tuner chip, some went to just over 2GHz (but a hole in the middle somewhere) some are lower with no hole. The most common tuner recently was the R820T2
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[10:40] <extorr> They stop at 1.7 Ghz usually then?
[10:41] <jsoft> You're a tuner chip
[10:43] <mfa298> R820T/R820T2 looks to stop around 1.7GHz, the original favourite the E4000 went to 2.2GHz but a hole just above 1GHz (but I thinkthe E4000 was discontinued around 2012)
[10:43] <extorr> And GSM usually clusters at....
[10:44] <mfa298> there are others (like HackRF, LimeSDR, BladeRF, Airspy) that may have different ranges (as well as different sample rates and bit depth)
[10:45] <mfa298> but higher samples / more bitdepth tends to need more CPU as well.
[10:45] <extorr> Seems like some of the cellular GSM bands are below 1.7 Ghz
[10:45] <extorr> In fact most are
[10:45] <extorr> But the 4G ones are 1.9Ghz
[10:45] <extorr> Hrmmm
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[10:46] <mfa298> I think that depends on country/network etc.
[10:46] <mfa298> there's a couple of useful tables on https://www.rtl-sdr.com/about-rtl-sdr/
[10:46] <mfa298> there's probably some better channels for more generic sdr stuff (I think there's at least an #rtlsdr channel on freenode)
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[10:49] <IamTrying> I have RPI with Linux raspberrypi 4.9.80-v7+. Which is connected to a CAMERA of RPI compatible. But when i open Chromium its unable to see any camera. how do i enable the camera ?
[10:50] <extorr> Oh gosh I need to take a nap
[10:51] <extorr> Hopefully I will wake up in time to do some work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:52] <IamTrying> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/camera.md - it says camera option, but in the menu i do not see any camera option
[10:52] <IamTrying> `sudo raspi-config`
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[10:57] <IamTrying> https://imgur.com/a/bPags - where is the "camera option" i need to enable?
[10:57] <BurtyB> IamTrying, should be under "Interfacing Options"
[10:58] <IamTrying> https://imgur.com/a/bPags - YES BurtyB there is something about P1 Camera
[11:02] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/VXAMcHw.png - I have allowed CAMERA enable rebooted. But still RPI (Chromium) says no camera available?
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[11:11] <IamTrying> $ v4l2-ctl --list-formats ; Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[11:11] <BurtyB> IamTrying, have you looked on the forum?
[11:11] <IamTrying> BurtyB: YES they said try: raspivid
[11:12] <IamTrying> but that does not show me status and hardware available or etc
[11:12] <IamTrying> and $ v4l2-ctl fails
[11:12] <IamTrying> which is native in Linux for camera / multi-media stuff
[11:13] <IamTrying> Do i need to modprobe bcm2835-v4l2 anything?
[11:14] <IamTrying> is it normal the connected Raspberry PI CAMERA should not show any sing of its connected? like no LED on the camera?
[11:15] <IamTrying> very confusing is it well connected or not how do i know?
[11:16] <red9> re SDR, do some investigation that there indeed is a working driver.
[11:17] <red9> The second issue to look into is if the interior chips are documented so you can attach external clocks etc. Which are great for locating transmitters etc.
[11:17] <IamTrying> https://i.imgur.com/OssCdF7.jpg - See my camera? how do i know if its even powered from RPI? there is no LED
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> IamTrying, did you use sudo raspi-config to enable the camera?
[11:18] <IamTrying> YES - all basic's were applied gordonDrogon
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> then that's all you need to do.
[11:19] <IamTrying> gordonDrogon: $ v4l2-ctl fails which means the hardware is not getting even powered yet?
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> try running raspistill
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[11:22] <IamTrying> Hell. gordonDrogon, that worked but Chromium cant read the camera still
[11:22] <IamTrying> raspistill -o cam.jpg - worked but chrome://media-internals fail
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> well there you go. Camera works fine. <tick> job done.
[11:23] <IamTrying> Here we go, my Weekend Nightmare Starts. thanks gordonDrogon
[11:24] <IamTrying> I have to fix Chromium to get that camera. So i need to recompile my Chromium for Raspberry PI
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> or google to see how others did it - if they have.
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[11:28] <BurtyB> IamTrying, have you tried things like https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=173181 ?
[11:28] <IamTrying> NO - that i will do BurtyB before i jump to the source code of Chromium, thanks for the hint
[11:29] <red9> IamTrying, Try palemoon
[11:29] <red9> It's like FireFox without the evil stuff.
[11:29] <IamTrying> OK
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[11:31] <red9> Iridium is an alternative to Chromium with the Google-evils. However unlike Palemoon it seems unstable. But might become something to that work better in the feature.
[11:31] <red9> future..
[11:31] <IamTrying> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/566nVqnCr3/ - failing Chromium still after modeprobe. So time to dig in Chromium
[11:32] <IamTrying> red9: does those have WebRTC natively?
[11:32] <red9> no idea.
[11:32] <IamTrying> OK - then time to go to Chromium code. nightmare begin.
[11:32] <red9> Try Firefox directly? can't be worse then Chromium ;)
[11:32] <red9> than..
[11:33] <IamTrying> OK - temporary yes. but i maintain / contribute on Chromium source codes + Node-Webkit i maintain.
[11:34] <IamTrying> i want to fix it for Chromium because i maintain it too (own repository)
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[15:23] <scriptradio> hello. i have a question about my raspberry pi 2
[15:23] <r3> scriptradio: just ask
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[15:25] <Tenkawa> day one of rpi 3+
[15:26] <Tenkawa> lets see what's going to change from my 3 setups
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[15:26] <scriptradio> ok. i have this touchscreen that i got that isnt a regular raspberry pi touchscreen. these are the connectins i have on it. https://imgur.com/a/2wWMV
[15:27] <scriptradio> it also has this on the back of the touchscreen https://imgur.com/a/YO2b7
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> Is that a question?
[15:30] <scriptradio> yes.
[15:31] <scriptradio> i have no idea how... if at all possible to hook it up
[15:31] <leftyfb> scriptradio: you'll have to look up the datasheet and possibly purchase or design a driver board for it
[15:31] <r3> er, well, you're going to want to look at wherever you got the touchscreen from for some docs
[15:31] <leftyfb> otherwise, it will not work with the pi out of the box
[15:32] <scriptradio> an idiot friend of mine bought it from a parts store and thought it would just work with it
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[15:33] <r3> er, no. Something like this: [ https://www.adafruit.com/product/2718 ] is built to work with the Pi
[15:33] <pksato> scriptradio: display need a controller board (hdmi to panel lvds), touch also need a controler board (usb to touch).
[15:34] <scriptradio> any to hook it up just as a display without touch?
[15:34] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: you are going to need some sort of controller board for it. It's going to be far less expensive and far easier to just get a display that is designed to work with the Pi
[15:34] <scriptradio> thats what i thought
[15:34] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: not without a controller board.
[15:34] <r3> you can see in that link, that there is an Adapter Board along with a ribbon cable, etc. Going to need something like that to hook itup.
[15:35] <scriptradio> there is a ribbon cable hookup on the back of the touchscreen
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: that panel is not. Going to work with the Pi without additional (possibly custom) hardware.
[15:35] <r3> that goes to the control board
[15:36] <scriptradio> aah ok
[15:36] <scriptradio> any idea for a use for the screen then?
[15:36] <r3> coaster?
[15:36] <scriptradio> its a 90$ screen
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Paperweight.
[15:36] <scriptradio> lol
[15:36] <r3> return it.
[15:36] <scriptradio> i guess so
[15:36] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: it's junk.
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Your friend spend
[15:36] <IT_Sean> 90$ on junk
[15:36] <r3> take that $90 and buy the adafruit (or similar) one
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[15:37] <scriptradio> https://www.skycraftsurplus.com/
[15:37] <scriptradio> i think he got it from there
[15:37] <r3> they have several, if you didn't want a 7" one: https://www.adafruit.com/?q=raspberry%20pi%20touchscreen
[15:37] <leftyfb> https://www.ebay.com/itm/WEINTEK-LABS-SH-D1004-6-TOUCH-PANEL-/172567471245
[15:37] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: it doesn't matter where he got it. It is not going to work.
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[15:37] <leftyfb> you paid $90, but it's not a $90 screen
[15:37] <r3> heh, true, leftyfb
[15:37] <scriptradio> no, i was saying that because its a junk store
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[15:37] <scriptradio> they sell scrap and parts, i didnt expeect anything from this
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[15:39] <scriptradio> so, is there a way to hook up a servo to the pi and is there a way to control the pi over wifi on ethernet?>
[15:39] <scriptradio> or ethernet*
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[15:39] <leftyfb> scriptradio: yes and yes
[15:39] <scriptradio> sweet. all i need to do is have a pan control for a servo.
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[15:42] <Tex_Nick> scriptradio: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=connect+a+servo+th+raspberry+pi
[15:43] <scriptradio> can i power the servo straight from the pi?
[15:44] <leftyfb> I wouldn't
[15:45] <scriptradio> how about a plug in connection rather than a battery?
[15:45] <leftyfb> huh?
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[15:46] <scriptradio> can i get a power adapter for the servo rather than a battery pack?
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Yes
[15:47] <scriptradio> what voltage?
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Depends on the servo
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[15:47] <scriptradio> its an mg996r
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Ok...chat woltage does it call for?
[15:48] <scriptradio> idk, but i have a arduino powering on from its 5v portr
[15:48] <IT_Sean> scriptradio: you are going to have to read the spec, and do some research here. We're not going to spoon feed you information.
[15:48] <scriptradio> port*
[15:48] <scriptradio> ok
[15:48] <scriptradio> thanks
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[15:50] <Tenkawa> well ... the rpi 3+ is running great... bad news is none of my good cases fit
[15:50] <Tenkawa> they moved a connector
[15:50] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[15:54] <Tex_Nick> there is now a heat spreader on top of the BCM2837, so if a heat sink is attached, it prevents the top on a lot of cases from fitting
[15:55] <Tenkawa> the 4 pin connector by the usb is causing me grief
[15:55] <Tenkawa> my cases have no cutout for it
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> or at least not quite the right angle
[15:56] <Tex_Nick> the connector for POE ?
[15:56] <Tenkawa> yeah
[15:57] <Tenkawa> oh well :) time to get out the dremel
[15:57] <Tex_Nick> seems progress always causes some kind of grief lol
[15:57] <Tenkawa> and do some delicate case adjustment
[15:57] <Tenkawa> heehee
[15:58] <Tex_Nick> I'd use a large hammer ;-)
[15:58] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[15:58] <Tenkawa> btw this thing does seem quite a bit faster so far
[15:58] <Owner> how did you make it faster
[15:59] <Tenkawa> Owner: i just mean buying a 3_
[15:59] <Tenkawa> er 3+
[15:59] <Tenkawa> vs my 3
[15:59] <Tex_Nick> cool man, think i'll get one soon
[15:59] <Owner> word
[15:59] <Owner> its real fast with slackware... 3b+
[15:59] <Tenkawa> network is definitely more robust
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[16:00] <Tex_Nick> does firefox seem more responsive, it your using FF that is
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[16:00] <Tenkawa> Tex_Nick: I use mine as a server
[16:00] <Tenkawa> and audio
[16:00] <Tenkawa> no graphics
[16:01] <Tex_Nick> Ahhh ok, yeah i have a 3B as a NAS
[16:02] <Owner> why not waterfox
[16:02] <Owner> suprised anyone uses firefox anymore
[16:02] <Tex_Nick> lol
[16:03] <Owner> icecat, iceweasel, palemoon....but this is the age of waterfox
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[16:09] <Tenkawa> wow thats scary fast network improvement (at least that I'm seeing)
[16:09] <Tenkawa> good and bad for people who wanted to use these as NAS
[16:09] <Tenkawa> now the bottleneck is back on storage io
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[16:10] <Owner> what speed did you get
[16:11] <Tenkawa> cant remember now
[16:11] <Owner> 5 /.
[16:11] <Owner> 5?
[16:11] <Owner> =]
[16:12] <Tex_Nick> wonder when/if they will upgrade to USB3
[16:12] <Tenkawa> Tex_Nick: wonder if its partially licensing
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[16:13] <Tex_Nick> might be, i hadn't thought of that
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[16:15] <Tex_Nick> start adding licensing fees, and price goes up ... i'm amazed they've been able to keep price at ~$35
[16:17] <Owner> why does usb3 require a license?
[16:17] <Owner> it wasnt standardized by nist or anything?
[16:18] <Tex_Nick> i don't know that it does, i was just thinking of what Tenkawa said
[16:18] <Owner> id be suprised if it wasnt designed with tax dollars....
[16:19] <Tenkawa> Owner: the standard might but the hardware not necessarily
[16:20] <Tenkawa> and since when do companies standardize really nowadays....
[16:20] <Tex_Nick> NIST doesn't have anything to do with licensing, do they ?
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[16:21] <Tenkawa> dont know
[16:22] <Tenkawa> I'm just guessing
[16:22] <Tenkawa> they do some weird things
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[16:24] <Owner> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Standards_and_Technology
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[16:30] <Tex_Nick> from that wiki "NIST allowed the National Security Agency (NSA) to insert a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator called Dual EC DRBG into NIST standard SP 800-90 that had a kleptographic backdoor ..." lol
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[16:33] <Tex_Nick> NIST = "National Institute of Security Transgression" !!!
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[16:33] <Tenkawa> I know who they are
[16:33] <IT_Sean>
[16:33] <Tenkawa> but the key is designing something that is reasonable to use by all
[16:34] <Owner> Tex_Nick: hah nice
[16:34] <Owner> i saw another one
[16:34] <Owner> Tex_Nick: https://www.zdnet.com/article/encryption-busted-on-nist-certified-kingston-sandisk-and-verbatim-usb-flash-drives/
[16:34] <Tex_Nick> ;-)
[16:34] <Owner> ^^
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[16:36] <Tex_Nick> Owner: damn Man, stinking NSA lol
[16:37] <pksato> 1~/quit
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[16:37] <Owner> Tex_Nick: lots of people are on to them now though
[16:37] <Owner> Tex_Nick: i think we can assume SSH has huge holes in it that no one has looked for
[16:38] <Tex_Nick> I bet you're right
[16:39] <Owner> i assume everything is busted, but it wasnt until today that i admitted to myself that ssh is going to be broken soon
[16:39] <Owner> they will give it a trendy name
[16:39] <Owner> then the "fix" will be a new backdoor
[16:39] <Owner> that china doesnt know about
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[16:40] <Owner> like the emergency windows xp patch
[16:40] <Owner> just a new back door
[16:40] <Owner> thats the game, too bad no one learns from history or trends
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[16:41] <Tex_Nick> yeah i use ssh, scp, sftp ... etc, and use a VPN ... i don't really know why, cause i'm only fooling myself Ha
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[16:42] <Owner> :D
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[16:56] <Owner> Tex_Nick: what else is up? :D
[16:58] <Tex_Nick> Not much on this end, just surf'n the web, chill'n TGIF ;-)
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[16:59] <IT_Sean> Woo woo! Friiiiiiiday!
[16:59] <IT_Sean> Thank heck for Friday.
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[16:59] <Tex_Nick> Yeah Man
[16:59] <IT_Sean> Been a long week at werk... Looking forward to just chillin' for the weekend.
[17:00] <Owner> :D
[17:00] <Owner> you guys RPI at work?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> Uh... No.
[17:00] <IT_Sean> That would be a bad idea in my case.
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[17:01] <IT_Sean> My work is pretty secure, when it comes to unapproved devices.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I work for myself - I use Pi's.
[17:01] <Owner> :)
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I also sell Pi's into places that pay me to do stuff for them.
[17:01] <Tex_Nick> I'm retired ... to hell with work LOL ;-)
[17:01] <Owner> gordonDrogon: right on
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> I keep trying to be retired. people keep asking me to do stuff.
[17:02] <Tex_Nick> gordonDrogon: ROFL ,,, yeah same here, so i guess i'm simi-retired
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> Owner, here is a Pi doing "stuff" for me: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/ I use that most days.
[17:02] <IT_Sean> You need to learn to say no
[17:03] <IT_Sean> <--- not retired, works in IT.
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[17:04] <Owner> gordonDrogon: nice!
[17:04] <Owner> damn, i want that tart
[17:04] <Owner> mince pie
[17:05] <Owner> oh, so mincemeat isnt actually meat?
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> it used to be - over 100 years ago
[17:05] <Owner> i like meat
[17:07] <IT_Sean> That's a bit non-specific.
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Lots of things are meat
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Technical
[17:07] <Tex_Nick> pretty neat gordonDrogon, back when i was working i used a lot of PLC's & SCADA type stuf ... yhe Pi is now able to do a lot of the things i used industrial controllers
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Technically, you are meat.
[17:08] <Owner> ugh, im not edible
[17:08] <IT_Sean> You are to a cannibal.
[17:08] <Owner> ok fine
[17:09] <Owner> im meat
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I work with small startups who're cost concious - where a Pi, ATmega, etc. is OK as a little controller. Big companies like their expensive and proprietary PLCs.
[17:09] <stiv> to bacteria, you are just a big rubbery snack bar
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[17:09] <Owner> Tex_Nick: i loaded up the dictionary.com definition of meat
[17:09] <Owner> but the site....someone is destroying the english languageon purpose
[17:09] <Owner> SAD!
[17:10] <Owner> the stupid has infected even the dictionary now
[17:10] <Tex_Nick> lol
[17:11] <shiftplusone> O_o
[17:12] <Owner> just loading dictionary.com and seeing what it has become will lower your iq
[17:12] * shiftplusone backs away and goes back to work.
[17:12] <Owner> lol
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[17:17] <Tex_Nick> i'm starving, think i'll go make a raspberry omelette Ha ;-)
[17:17] <Tex_Nick> L8R Guyz & Gals
[17:18] <Owner> Tex_Nick: bye
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Tex_Nick, http://www.dlc.fi/~marian1/gourmet/9_2.htm
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[17:25] <Tex_Nick> gordonDrogon: LOL man thanks for the recipe, that looks delicious, BUT ... i don't have raspberries :(
[17:26] <Tex_Nick> so i bookmarked it :-)
[17:26] <Tex_Nick> errr it uses raspberry jam
[17:28] <Tenkawa> anyone have any theories on why rfkill might be showing my devices locked immediately after reboot if I dont script a force unlock?
[17:28] <Tenkawa> I just discovered this last night
[17:28] <Owner> what is rfkill and lock?
[17:28] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: set your wifi country
[17:29] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: DOH
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[17:29] <r3> sounds like CIA owls. That's my theory and I'm sticking with it. Yup. Check for odd looking birds of prey.
[17:29] <shiftplusone> service wifi-country disables it due to compliance something or other.
[17:29] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: yep
[17:29] <Tenkawa> thats probably it
[17:29] <Owner> i put country in wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:29] <Owner> country=us
[17:29] <Owner> works as far as i can tell...
[17:30] <shiftplusone> trying to get rid of it, but people more informed than I believe having it there is the right thing to do.
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[17:30] <Owner> as far as i know it makes an out of the box rpi get on wifi no problems
[17:30] <shiftplusone> yes, that's what wifi-country checks for.
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[17:31] <Owner> is wifi-country a program?
[17:31] <Owner> im using slackware
[17:31] <Owner> its sweet.
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[17:32] <shiftplusone> in raspbian, it's a systemd service.
[17:32] <Owner> i went the no systemd route
[17:33] <Owner> im not worried about an extra 20 seconds boot time :D
[17:33] <shiftplusone> Oh, you're one of "those" =P
[17:33] <Owner> indeed
[17:33] <Owner> i like the way the hippies at MIT designed everything on the best drugs they could get at the time :p
[17:34] <shiftplusone> Hey, to each their own. Choice is one of the main selling points of Linux for me.
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[17:34] <Tenkawa> think I'll add tgat in my conf file too
[17:34] <Owner> well there used to be choices
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: btw, do you see a message when you log in telling you to set the wifi country?
[17:35] <Owner> now its like...systemd or no systemd being the main choice
[17:35] <Owner> first choice
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[17:35] <Owner> i dont plan on rebooting every 10 minutes so i dont need systemd :D
[17:36] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: no.. Its just weird
[17:36] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: are you running raspbian? CLI or Desktop?
[17:36] <Tenkawa> RasPBIAN
[17:36] <Tenkawa> CLI
[17:36] <Tenkawa> oops sorry for the half caps
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> Pi 3B+?
[17:37] <shiftplusone> Do you have a /etc/profile.d/wifi-country.sh?
[17:37] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: all of them
[17:37] <Tenkawa> let me look
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> That should tell you if wifi was disabled because regulatory domain was not set.
[17:37] <Tenkawa> yeah its there
[17:37] <Tenkawa> should I run it as a test?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> yeah... or log out and back in
[17:38] <Owner> shouldnt you only need to set it once?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> yeah
[17:38] <Owner> or is it not like an eeprom thing
[17:38] <Tenkawa> well this one I set manually so I know it works
[17:39] <shiftplusone> not an eeprom thing
[17:39] <Tenkawa> I'll have to plug up one of my others.. just a sec
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[17:40] <Tenkawa> because it came backk fine (I'm also connected via ethernet because of lan restriction)
[17:40] <Tenkawa> to the host
[17:41] <Tenkawa> fun eh?
[17:41] <Owner> lan restriction to the host?
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[17:42] <Tenkawa> host to host
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[17:47] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: I just should add us to /etc/default/crda line right?
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: country=GB (or whatever) to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[17:49] <Tenkawa> ok.. I'll see if that prevents it from destroying my non-rf attached ones too heheheh
[17:50] <shiftplusone> what is meant to read /etc/default/crda?
[17:50] <Tenkawa> not sure
[17:50] <Tenkawa> not even sure why its there
[17:51] <Owner> wtf is 'crda' even
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> Owner, family friendly please - even abbreviations.
[17:52] <shiftplusone> ah /lib/crda/setregdomain
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[17:52] <shiftplusone> through /lib/udev/rules.d/40-crda.rules
[17:54] <Tenkawa> here we go
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> Owner: A program that sets the regulatory domain when the kernel requests it.
[17:56] <shiftplusone> So that wifi doesn't radiate on frequencies it's not supposed to.... in theory.
[17:57] <Owner> hmmm...of course
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[18:05] <Tenkawa> well the 3+ is working perfectly
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[18:05] <Tenkawa> the zero's are laughing at me
[18:05] <hilts50> Im working on a Raspberry Pi Live Sectional Project and have the bulk of it working thanks to some code I grabbed off Github. Im trying to add a light sensor to the mix to dim the LED’s based on ambient light. Im sure this is the wrong way to code this, but here is what I have…. https://paste.pound-python.org/show/EKJ59mS1RHHx9ILkTJr5/
[18:06] <shiftplusone> the zeros don't have this mechanism, so wifi should just work
[18:06] <shiftplusone> what problem are you having with them?
[18:06] <Owner> what is a zero ?
[18:06] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: actually rfkill does list register
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> Owner, please go and spend 10 minutes reading the Raspberry Pi website - you'll learn everything there.
[18:07] <Tenkawa> at least it did when i blocked and and unblocked
[18:07] <shiftplusone> what's the exact output of 'rfkill list' and 'sudo journalctl -u wifi-country'
[18:07] <Tenkawa> it was very effective
[18:08] <shiftplusone> or.... did you use a card you had previously used in a 3B+?
[18:08] <Tenkawa> holy crap
[18:08] <Tenkawa> it finally responded
[18:09] <Tenkawa> that sd card/unit must be suspect
[18:09] <mtpocketscnc> hello how are we
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> On average, I suspect we're average.
[18:10] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: bingo..... worked perfect
[18:10] <Tenkawa> thank you!!
[18:10] <Owner> hilts50: doesnt make sense to me
[18:10] <shiftplusone> np
[18:10] <IT_Sean> But just on average?
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[18:11] <Tenkawa> but omg that was a slowwwww boot
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[18:12] <Owner> hilts50: i dont know what strip does. is it an object?
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[18:13] <hilts50> Owner: the strip is a string of 50 LED lights
[18:13] <Owner> what other functions does strip have then strip.begin()
[18:13] <shiftplusone> I think Owner was asking about the variable 'strip'
[18:13] <shiftplusone> in the script you pasted
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[18:14] <shiftplusone> For which he'd have to look up the neopixel library documentation.
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[18:15] <Owner> for i in range(0,255): strip.LED_BRIGHTNESS = i ???
[18:15] <Owner> something liek that after strip.begin probably
[18:15] <Owner> then have to add delays and make it do what you want
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[18:15] <Owner> then...learn more coding :d
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[18:17] <hilts50> Owner: I am implmenting a light sensor that works off of GPIO pin 4
[18:17] <hilts50> I want it to print the birghtness value of 100 for a dimly lit room and 255 for a birghtly lit room.
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[18:18] <Owner> hmm
[18:18] <hilts50> Im just really new to python and don’t know what the proper way to write it would be.
[18:18] <Owner> uh well...i assume you would have to read the number from gpio
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[18:19] <Owner> then use an if statement to determine if its dimly lit or brightly lit
[18:19] <Owner> then do your output
[18:19] <Tex_Nick> got my face fed, i feel much better
[18:19] <Owner> like every other language
[18:20] <hilts50> Thats why I was trying….. for i in range(0,2): print LED_BRIGHTNESS = 100
[18:20] <hilts50> But not sure if thats how it works or not.
[18:20] <Owner> thats just a for loop
[18:20] <Owner> that sets i to 0, 1, then 2
[18:20] <Owner> i think
[18:20] <Owner> you dont even use i, so you are just making it print it out 3 times
[18:20] <hilts50> ohh okay
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[18:21] <Owner> im pretty sure, but i dont use python
[18:21] <Owner> look up range()
[18:21] <hilts50> I thought it was saying for i being input that has a range of 0 to 2 print this value
[18:22] <Owner> it could if you then use the i to reference pin numbers
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[18:22] <Owner> but pretty sure all its doing it changing i, which you can then use
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[18:22] <Tex_Nick> Owner: i was thinking about above talk of ssh & NSA & it reminded me of Linus Torvalds being asked if he had been approached by NSA ... (26 second video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8
[18:22] <Owner> like read PIN(i)
[18:22] <Owner> or w/e
[18:23] <Owner> wow
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[18:23] <Owner> Tex_Nick: ! thanks
[18:24] <shiftplusone> hilts50: maybe worth breaking the problem down into smaller parts and getting them working separately first. I'd look here https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/physical-computing/12
[18:24] <Tex_Nick> ;-)
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[18:24] <Owner> Tex_Nick: linus said no
[18:24] <Owner> Tex_Nick: systemd to the rescue
[18:24] <hilts50> shiftpulsone: Thanks
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[18:25] <Owner> Tex_Nick: but hey....ignore everything i say :D
[18:25] <Tex_Nick> yeah & as he said NO he was shaking his head YES lol
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[18:25] <Owner> right, i mean....he probably told them no
[18:25] <Owner> so they had to invent systemd for their backdoor
[18:26] <hilts50> shiftpulseone: I think the refercne you provided is for an analog light sensor wich I think works differently.
[18:26] <Owner> and shove it down everyones throats
[18:26] <Tex_Nick> I detested the idea of systemd at first, but it seems to have wouked out well ?
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[18:26] <Owner> Tex_Nick: i wont touch it
[18:26] <Tex_Nick> worked*
[18:26] <Owner> its a disaster waiting to happen
[18:26] <shiftplusone> hilts50: I thought it was similar to the one you linked in your code, but I'll admit that I haven't spent a lot of time checking.
[18:27] <Tex_Nick> LOL I can understand your sentiments !!! HaHa
[18:27] <larsks> Yes yes it's awful let's all go back to managing a big ugly directory of shell scripts that all re-implement the same thing in different ways and don't actually know if their service is running or not.
[18:27] <larsks> AH YES THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
[18:27] <Tenkawa> larsks: worked for me
[18:27] <larsks> I miss them so much.
[18:27] <Tenkawa> it worked quite well actually for 20+ years
[18:28] <IT_Sean> Can I go back to the good old days, but still keep my iPhone?
[18:28] <hilts50> shiftplusone: I’ll kep digging around. Thanks
[18:28] <larsks> Tenkawa: Having been doing this for 20+ years...no it didn't, it was awful. :)
[18:28] <shiftplusone> larsks: it's not worth it
[18:28] <larsks> Haha.
[18:28] <larsks> Anyway, carry on, I've got my popcorn.
[18:28] <Tex_Nick> i just knew the mention of systemd would start a channel heated debate LOL
[18:28] <shiftplusone> That's the best approach
[18:28] * IT_Sean pops larsks' popcorn
[18:29] <r3> just watch it! don't let it burn!
[18:29] * Tenkawa throws back on his music
[18:30] * IT_Sean lets it burn
[18:30] * r3 turns on the fan and opens a window
[18:30] <shiftplusone> I haven't heard the NSA conspiracy about systemd before. I thought the prevailing theory was that it was all redhat trying to get their tendrils into every distro so they can control everything.
[18:30] * Tenkawa has sriracha popcorn at home... yyum
[18:31] <Owner> shiftplusone: its the same thing every time
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[18:31] <Owner> then when its found out, they "patch" it with a new backdoor
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> it's nice to have a choice though.
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[18:32] <ali1234> sysvinit is the new minix. and we know where minix ended up.
[18:32] <ali1234> inside a backdoor
[18:32] <Tenkawa> minix was awesome
[18:32] <ali1234> yes, of course it was. so awesome that nobody wanted to use it
[18:33] <Tenkawa> or noone knew how
[18:33] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: I know you avoid systemd, but the argument from the really anti-systemd folk is that if you don't use systemd, your choices are restricted. Some projects are closely tied into systemd to the point where you need some shim to get them to work without systemd.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> I was part of a group that ported minix to the transputer - some almost 30 years ago.
[18:33] <akk> Linus used it ... if it wasn't for Minix we probably wouldn't have Linux.
[18:34] <ali1234> lennart used all the other init systems too
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, it's utterly trivial to do without systemd - for the simple reason I don't need or use anything that depends on it - and that's without even trying.
[18:34] <Tenkawa> I still use cobol for example
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, keep taking the tablets...
[18:35] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: I know. Just saying that your argument that you have the choice not to use systemd won't fly with the anti-systemd crowd.
[18:35] <ali1234> you don't really have a choice with systemd any more if you want to use anything even slightly modern
[18:35] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: works great for accounting calculations
[18:36] <Owner> ali1234: slackware is good
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, Oh I know - I did 2 years of it at uni - um. > 35 years back
[18:36] <Owner> or just get rid of linux and use illumos
[18:36] <ali1234> or you know, minix...
[18:36] * shiftplusone wonders if TempleOS has been ported to the pi yet.
[18:36] <Owner> lol
[18:36] <ali1234> of course not it is written in pure x86 machine code
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, depends what you mean by modern. I run Debian (without systemd), using xfce4, firefox-esr and chrome. I use LaTeX and Libreoffice. what am I missing?
[18:37] <ali1234> the ability to shutdown or suspend your computer without having to enter a password?
[18:37] <shiftplusone> gnome stuff, probably
[18:37] <Owner> i like slow boots, so i dont need systemd
[18:37] <shiftplusone> Owner: systemd isn't about boot times.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, I push the on/off button.
[18:37] <Owner> shiftplusone: thats what it was sold as
[18:37] <shiftplusone> agh... here I am getting into it.
[18:38] <ali1234> so yeah :)
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[18:38] <Owner> sold as a service manager
[18:38] <Owner> ends up being a ring-0 behemoth taking over everything
[18:38] <Owner> no more log files
[18:38] <Owner> all the simplicty of linux is gone
[18:38] <ali1234> systemd is all about boot times. maintenance being significantly easier is just a bonus
[18:38] <Owner> who is rebooting linux?
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> I boot into BASIC in under 5 seconds on a Pi now.
[18:39] <Owner> do it for the kids^H^H^H^Hlaptops ??
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[18:40] <Owner> sorry but the linux as a desktop os dream isnt worth trashing the entire system with systemd :(
[18:40] <Owner> what about servers?
[18:40] <Owner> how does redhat make their money?
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[18:41] <Owner> training and servers
[18:41] <Owner> they gotta create crap to sell more training
[18:41] <Owner> it was too simple and stable and predictable before
[18:41] <Owner> plus the whole NSA needs a backdoor thing
[18:42] * IT_Sean makes a crude joke about the NSA's back for
[18:42] <IT_Sean> *door
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[18:44] <ali1234> i once met a paranoid guy who thought that the government was installing backdoored copies of flash on his laptop
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[18:44] <ali1234> the funny part was he refused to install ANY updates because of this
[18:44] <Tenkawa> wow the rpi3+ is much impressing me so far
[18:44] <ali1234> even though said updates were signed
[18:44] <Tenkawa> vs my older ones
[18:44] <ali1234> meaning that his paranoia made him less secure
[18:45] <Owner> ali1234: he didnt just remove flash?
[18:45] <ali1234> no
[18:45] <ali1234> he was paranoid, and somewhat incapable of acting in a rational way as a result
[18:45] <Tenkawa> already got a tuned rebuilt kernel and its running great
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[18:46] <Tenkawa> now i just need to work on a game plan on modifying my case to fit the poe connecter
[18:47] <Owner> Tenkawa:
[18:47] <Owner> well i looked at the make menuconfig....i couldnt find anything to remove / improve??.....
[18:47] <Owner> what did you find?
[18:47] <Tenkawa> a lot
[18:47] <Owner> i used oldconfig from /proc/config.gz
[18:48] <Tenkawa> but I was a kernel dev so I've been doing this for years
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[18:48] <Tex_Nick> Tenkawa: as i mentioned earlier, a large hammer will make quick work of that mod HaHa ;-)
[18:49] <Tenkawa> Tex_Nick: heh
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[18:50] <Owner> Tenkawa: any hints?...
[18:50] <Owner> did you change the scheduler?
[18:50] <Tenkawa> no.. but look at stuff like drivers
[18:50] <skroon> I have two serial devices that I need to communicate with, i'm already using GPIO14 and GPIO15 for my first device, which GPIO's could I use for a second serial port?
[18:51] <Owner> Tenkawa: ok
[18:51] <Tenkawa> like amateur radio
[18:51] <Tenkawa> if you arent using them
[18:51] <Tenkawa> just "be careful"
[18:51] <Owner> heh heh
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[18:51] <Owner> careful is my middle name
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[18:52] <Tex_Nick> dangerous is mine ;-)
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[18:54] <Owner> =]
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[18:55] <Tex_Nick> Tenkawa: you using the 3.5mm jack, or hdmi ?
[18:55] <Tenkawa> 3.5
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> skroon, use USB serial adapters.
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[19:07] <skroon> gordonDrogon: is it not possible to use the GPIO pins? Because I would like to make a board that fits onto the headers
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> skroon, there is only one hardware serial port you can access - however you might want to look at the pigpio library - I think it can do a software serial on any 2 gpio pins.
[19:09] <skroon> gordonDrogon: ah thanks
[19:09] <skroon> gordonDrogon: i'm guessing the software serial has some down sids?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I'd still use usb serial - all the time.
[19:09] <skroon> gordonDrogon: right, because?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> skroon, I've no idea - it's not my library - I've never used it.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> because they work and can be easy to make work at other voltages.
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[19:10] <skroon> gordonDrogon: reason is, I want to fit it all into a nice enclosure
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> sure. best start looking at pigpio then ...
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/adrianomarto/soft_uart/
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[19:12] <skroon> gordonDrogon: thanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction :-)
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, interesting. kernel module rather than the dma method pigpio uses.
[19:13] <shiftplusone> if pigpio uses DMA, I guess it can handle higher baudrates
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[19:14] <skroon> shiftplusone: nice
[19:14] <Tenkawa> bbl.. need food
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> Some more info about that module: http://codeintherightway.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/soft-uart-implementation-for-raspberry.html
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[19:36] <red9> That soft-serial module could use DMA to output bytes. Reception using DMA will be harder due to latency.
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[21:04] <Hero1980_> Hello can i use pubsubclient.h Library with Raspberry
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[21:08] <Hero1980_> are there anyone here ?
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[21:12] <larsks> Hero1980_: there are a few people, but it's getting to be Friday afternoon :)
[21:12] <larsks> If your pubsubclient library works under Linux, then you should be able to use it on the Pi.
[21:12] <Tex_Nick> everyone's @ happy hour ;-)
[21:13] <Hero1980_> pubsubclient i am trying to include it using Arduino online IDE after connect it to RaspberryPi but it not working
[21:14] <Hero1980_> <larsks> i am trying to include it using Arduino online IDE after connect it to RaspberryPi but it not working
[21:15] <Lartza> Do you have an ESP8266?
[21:15] <Hero1980_> <Lartza> YES I HAVE
[21:16] <en1gma> does anyone know a shortcut key or some mod for GQRX that lets you make all the controls disappear at onece for the right hand side bar? fft, audio, input and receiver options doing them one at a time in the top tool bar under "view"
[21:17] <en1gma> there should be a way to make those side bar options to disappear at all at once instead of selecting the check marks and deslecting all check marks everytime
[21:17] <en1gma> am i just missing it?
[21:17] <Lartza> Hero1980_, Then yeah, you should be able to do it somehow I guess?
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[21:19] <Hero1980_> <Lartza> i am trying to communicate with cloudmqtt.com via RaspberrtPi using C language but i dont what kind of library use it in the C code to connect to the Server
[21:19] <Lartza> That doesn't sound like it involves an ESP8266 though anymore
[21:19] <Lartza> pubsubclient is a library for specific devices
[21:19] <Lartza> That you can include in your chip program just like on any other OS, then program the ESP8266 with the program that includes pubsubclient
[21:20] <Hero1980_> ok i got it
[21:20] <Lartza> https://github.com/mqtt/mqtt.github.io/wiki/libraries
[21:21] <Owner> internet of things, hah
[21:21] <Owner> its a raspberry pi not a thing
[21:22] <Owner> some buzzword marketing thing to sell products
[21:23] <Lartza> "this iot device keeps your blockchain in the cloud"
[21:23] <Owner> haha
[21:23] <Owner> you forgot big data
[21:23] <Owner> and webscale
[21:24] <Lartza> "AI"
[21:24] <Owner> there ya go
[21:24] <Owner> machine learning
[21:25] <Owner> your turn
[21:25] <Lartza> I mean, iot and cloud are the only true buzzwords there, maybe big data too :P
[21:25] <Owner> containers
[21:26] <Lartza> Others are just trendy atm, but still have an actual meaning that isn't "an object that includes a microprosessor and does things on the internet" or "on someone elses computer
[21:27] <Owner> digital hate speech
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[21:27] <Lartza> internet startup :P
[21:28] <Owner> i miss the days when only computers were on the internet
[21:28] <Owner> all these darn things
[21:28] <Lartza> I mean, most of the things are still computers
[21:28] <Lartza> they are just computers inside refrigerators :P
[21:28] <Owner> no they are things now.....
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[21:29] <Owner> all this pointless technology will cause the ice caps to melt!
[21:29] <Owner> :p
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[21:29] * IT_Sean melts Owner's ice caps
[21:29] <Owner> its already causing the ice caps on mars to melt
[21:30] <Owner> when i think of internet of things and all this new junk that comes out and they all try to sell us
[21:30] <Owner> i just think of the book fahrenheit 451
[21:31] <red9> "cloud" = someone elses computer that unplug whenever someone else feels like it :P
[21:31] <Lartza> Is matrix such cloud technology? :P
[21:31] <Lartza> Not the movie one, the chat kind
[21:31] <Owner> matrix chat ?
[21:31] <Lartza> yes
[21:31] <red9> And someone else makes a killing from it moneywise. Forget all privacy of course :)
[21:32] <Owner> red9: of course
[21:32] <Owner> then even cloud wasnt making them enough money
[21:32] <Owner> so they told everyone to use containers
[21:32] <red9> Matrix seems like someone that connected to much of local resources online..
[21:32] <Owner> and break everything into even smaller pieces
[21:33] <Owner> it will come full circle and people will go back towards mainframes eventually
[21:33] <Owner> and esxi boxes
[21:33] <Owner> pet servers
[21:33] <red9> mainframes fails because control and rigidity.
[21:33] <Owner> what do you think runs the cloud?
[21:33] <Owner> not mainframes?
[21:34] <Owner> amazon, do as we say, not as we do.
[21:34] <red9> Did I say what runs the cloud? ;)
[21:34] <Owner> you said mainframes fail
[21:34] <gobostone> lol
[21:35] <gobostone> the cloud *is* essentially a return to mainframes
[21:35] <red9> yeah so the circle is unlikely to return to that state.
[21:35] <gobostone> that's what's always been so funny about calling it "the cloud"
[21:35] <gobostone> it's just a fucking mainframe you don't own that's accesible from a low cost "terminal"
[21:35] <gobostone> so the nature of the tech on both ends has changed
[21:35] <Owner> woops you cant say bad words here :/
[21:35] <red9> "cloud" = buzzword shenigan that is used to rip people of money and control.
[21:35] <Owner> what bout docker?
[21:36] <gobostone> but it's fundamentally the same idea wrapped in a shiny wrapper
[21:36] <Owner> or ruby on rails
[21:36] <Owner> :p
[21:36] <red9> + .php ? ;)
[21:36] <Owner> php has never been hip
[21:36] <red9> Let's of course run it on ISS.. *secure*..
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[21:37] <Owner> i want my toaster to run systemd, what do i need to do?
[21:38] <Owner> lol i just made myself cry laughing
[21:38] <cirdan> stick your head in the microwave
[21:38] <Owner> put the microwave in the bathtub
[21:38] <cirdan> no just turn it on for 2h
[21:38] <red9> Most Linux dists controlled by that three letter org with a black cube as a HQ will do :P
[21:38] <Owner> red9: yeah, the cats out of the bag
[21:39] <Owner> a lot more people are on to them now
[21:39] <Owner> yet
[21:39] <Owner> people buy alexa, cortana, google home, siri
[21:40] <Owner> they tell you in the batman movie that they are building that system
[21:40] <Owner> where every phone is an eye/ear for them
[21:40] <Owner> it already exists
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[21:40] <Owner> but no one wants to admit it yet
[21:40] <Owner> Sentient World Simulation
[21:40] <Owner> project was not shut down
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[21:41] <Owner> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_Environment_for_Analysis_and_Simulations#Sentient_World_Simulation
[21:41] <Owner> also the movie Eagle Eye i think
[21:42] <Owner> or the one where they predict the future essentially
[21:42] <Owner> or like can go backwards in time to predict the future
[21:42] <Owner> but those are just movies
[21:42] <Owner> again, read Fahrenheit 451
[21:44] <red9> Most people are not insightful? ;)
[21:45] <Owner> most people are not psychopaths
[21:45] <Owner> so they assume everyone else is mostly good like them
[21:45] <Owner> and dont know about the corrupting influence of power, or how criminality quickly gets out of control
[21:45] <Owner> because crimes require bigger crimes to cover up each smaller crime
[21:46] <Owner> maybe people are starting to wake up for real though, who knows....almost everything we are told is a lie
[21:46] <Owner> then theres cognitive dissonance
[21:47] <Owner> and the 'conspiracy so big you cannot believe it exists'
[21:47] <Owner> as former presidents have stated
[21:47] <Owner> seek the truth, friends.
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[22:34] <lopta> Does the Foundation case work with the 3B+?
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[22:39] <CoJaBo> AFAICT, the dimensions are the same.
[22:39] <CoJaBo> The only layout difference is there's now a PoE header
[22:40] <Tenkawa> CoJaBo: yeah that poe header has already caused me a ton of headache
[22:40] <Tenkawa> none of my cases fit
[22:40] <Tenkawa> the tops all hit it
[22:40] <CoJaBo> Huh, that sucks.
[22:40] <Tenkawa> yep
[22:41] <CoJaBo> My apple pie pi case still works fine.
[22:41] <Owner> case makers are making mroe money than the pi foundation \o/
[22:41] <Tenkawa> my fav ones are very hard plastic which are going to need at least probably a dremel
[22:42] <Tenkawa> the pi itself runs great though
[22:42] <Tenkawa> sitting right next to me running off a battery pack
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[22:48] <Tenkawa> ok.. audio works nicely (3.5 barrel jack)
[22:54] <Tenkawa> other than the PoE header positioning I'm very happy and even thats something I can work around
[22:55] * lopta prices up some Raspberry Pi things.
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[22:56] <Tenkawa> brb
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[22:56] <lopta> Looks like US$ 74 for a 3B+ (w/case, 32G microSHDC) and US$ 63 for an A+ (w/case and card)
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[23:04] <lopta> I've decided to scrap another PC and replace it with a Raspberry Pi, probably a 3B+
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[23:04] <Owner> did you price the 32g sdcard at a bunch of places?
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[23:04] <lopta> Owner: No, just at Newegg
[23:05] <lopta> I may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.
[23:05] <Owner> w/e works
[23:05] <Owner> its not a bad price to replace an entire computer
[23:06] <lopta> I should check whether Adafruit have them.
[23:06] <leftyfb> I replaced 4 machines with pi's
[23:06] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzc6mv7l2jzyuni/2018-03-18%2lc014.16.43.jpg?dl=0
[23:07] <lopta> leftyfb: I would click on that if I had a Web browser ;-)
[23:07] <leftyfb> all 3b's at the moment. I'll slowly be replacing them with b+'s as time goes on
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[23:08] <leftyfb> lopta: If you do not have a web browser, then that is a personal choice that you have made based on some personal preference. You do not need to announce the fact every time someone posts a link
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[23:11] <leftyfb> lopta: there's also other ways to view links/pictures on a *NIX-based system
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[23:14] <lopta> leftyfb: Sorry, this is on a system that I've just reimaged.
[23:14] <lopta> I'm not quite there yet.
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[23:15] <leftyfb> lopta: Not the NetBSD you imaged 3 weeks ago?
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[23:15] <lopta> leftyfb: No, this was released since then.
[23:15] <lopta> (re-imaged yesterday)
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[23:16] <lopta> 7.1.2
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[23:19] <lopta> That said, I was trying for a week or two to build Firefox
[23:20] <lopta> Eventually I got Firefox52 to build but it would segfault when I launched it, so it wasn't useful.
[23:22] <leftyfb> lopta: why NetBSD again?
[23:22] <lopta> leftyfb: It's the OS I know best.
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[23:24] <lopta> On the Raspberry Pi it seems like Linux might be more practical.
[23:25] <lopta> I think that's a shame but I can't help it.
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[23:40] <Tenkawa> now I've got me a good image backup of my setup so time to play
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[23:48] <lopta> Tenkawa: It's good to have a backup
[23:48] <Tenkawa> always
[23:50] <Tenkawa> especially with the stuff i'm trying
[23:50] <Tenkawa> since you are in the bsd world.. picture doing a make world without a backup
[23:50] <GenteelBen> The RPi is so cheap you can mirror the hardware to your toilet.
[23:50] <GenteelBen> Put an RPi inside the tank (waterproofed, of course).
[23:50] <Tenkawa> GenteelBen: its not cost.. its time
[23:51] <Tenkawa> its become so easy to replicate
[23:51] <Tenkawa> so why not do ir
[23:51] <Tenkawa> er it
[23:51] <GenteelBen> It's a shame there's no Windows ARM for the RPi apart from the shitty IoT headless edition.
[23:51] <Tenkawa> yeah... I'd be happy to run a windows 10 desktop along side
[23:52] <Tenkawa> and i know a lot of people who would as well
[23:52] <GenteelBen> Microsoft© Windows© 10 Professional with Spring Creators Update™ - the OS of tomorrow, today.
[23:53] <GenteelBen> Shit
[23:53] <Tenkawa> GenteelBen: when is the release on that eta btw?
[23:53] <GenteelBen> s/©/®
[23:53] <Owner> 'CREATORS' ?
[23:53] <GenteelBen> Tenkawa: a week from now.
[23:53] <Owner> what does creators mean in the context of microsoft?
[23:53] <Tenkawa> oh wow... better get my main two boxes ready
[23:54] <GenteelBen> Tenkawa: you can upgrade today if you download the ESD and convert it to an ISO with nLite.
[23:54] <Tenkawa> meh i can wait
[23:54] <GenteelBen> Tenkawa, if they're not personal use boxes I'd recommend waiting a couple weeks.
[23:54] <Tenkawa> they are
[23:54] <GenteelBen> There's usually a day 1 patch anyway which ups the build number.
[23:54] <GenteelBen> Well I need to wipe my PC anyway
[23:54] <GenteelBen> I think the last time I did a fresh install was like 2015?
[23:54] <GenteelBen> Let me check.
[23:55] <Tenkawa> I only use *nix for work
[23:55] <Owner> cant use windows 10 at work
[23:55] <Owner> security risk
[23:55] <Tenkawa> gotta use 7 right?
[23:55] <Owner> only enterprise ltsb n
[23:55] <GenteelBen> Nay, August 2016.
[23:55] <GenteelBen> Hmm that doesn't sound right.
[23:56] <GenteelBen> Sadly Windows doesn't record the install date properly. If you do a sysinfo it shows you the last upgrade date instead of the original install date.
[23:56] <Owner> why would you call something "spring creators update" though?
[23:56] <GenteelBen> Owner: if you were flat out of ideas.
[23:56] <Owner> go to add remove programs
[23:56] <GenteelBen> They should just call it Windows 10 Crafty Crab or something.
[23:56] <Owner> lol
[23:56] <Tenkawa> GenteelBen: technically we are in spring
[23:56] <Owner> who are these creators though
[23:56] <Owner> i dont get what it means
[23:56] <GenteelBen> Like Ubuntu 16.04 Bisexual Beaver
[23:57] <Tenkawa> and they are creating new ideas
[23:57] <GenteelBen> Owner: it's just propaganda. People rarely use PCs for creating stuff anymore.
[23:57] <Owner> oh yeah
[23:57] <Owner> the freakin 3d SHARK
[23:57] <Owner> i cant wait
[23:57] <GenteelBen> They have this fantasy where normal users will use Paint 3D
[23:57] <GenteelBen> lmfao
[23:57] <Owner> lol remember that commercial
[23:57] <GenteelBen> As if
[23:57] <Lartza> I have used Paint 3D!
[23:57] <Owner> ITS GO GREAT WHEN I CREATE A 'FEELING' IN A KID
[23:57] <Lartza> It has a very handy "Paste" button when you open it
[23:57] <GenteelBen> To do what, model 3D anuses?
[23:58] <Lartza> So you can save printscreens easy
[23:58] <Lartza> :P
[23:58] <Owner> she creates a feeling in a kid
[23:58] <GenteelBen> MS Paint is an abortion of bad UI.
[23:58] * Tenkawa doesnt bother with 3d since he cant see 3d
[23:58] <Owner> with a 3d shark
[23:58] <Lartza> Human eyes can't see the difference between 2D and 3D
[23:58] <GenteelBen> The human eye can't see more than 60 colours.
[23:58] <Lartza> Just like 144hz monitors, 3D is just snake oil
[23:58] <GenteelBen> https://pasteboard.co/HfpVVL0.png <-- this is what MS Paint looks like on a 4K display @ 100% scaling.
[23:59] <Tenkawa> GenteelBen: mine cant even see that many
[23:59] <GenteelBen> The Ribbon UI is a fucktarded user interface.
[23:59] <Tenkawa> I'm colorblind and blind in one eye
[23:59] <GenteelBen> Lartza: the real innovation is VRR, and things like FreeSync / G-Sync.
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[23:59] <Tenkawa> hows that for wild?
[23:59] <jamesc> i am sshed into my pizero but cannot ping the host
[23:59] <GenteelBen> MUCH more interesting to me than 120/144fps, which is really only for competitive FPSes like Overwatch and Fortnite.

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