#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-04-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Lartza> I like my 144hz
[0:00] <GenteelBen> What do you use it for?
[0:00] <Lartza> but I have heard good things about VRR too
[0:00] <GenteelBen> Does the Windows desktop feel nicer @ 144Hz?
[0:00] <Lartza> Yes
[0:00] <GenteelBen> Also there will be no 32" 4K/5K 144Hz displays in 2018.
[0:00] <Lartza> Also Rocket League, CSGO
[0:00] <jamesc> try to ping it and get "From icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable"
[0:00] <GenteelBen> The upcoming ones are 28" 4K 144Hz, and almost certainly TN.
[0:00] <Lartza> almost any game that can reach 144hz
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[0:01] <jamesc> oh can we play those games on raspberry pis?
[0:01] <GenteelBen> jamesc, that's an autoconfig IP. It means you can't reach a DHCP server.
[0:01] <Lartza> Stupid Nvidia card and no monitor has G-Sync so I haven't tried the technology
[0:01] <GenteelBen> jamesc: you can play Pong, barely.
[0:01] <jamesc> what do you mean ?
[0:01] <Tenkawa> I want to play crono trigger
[0:01] <Tenkawa> heheeheheh
[0:01] <GenteelBen> I was gonna say Ms. Pacman, but this is 2018
[0:01] <GenteelBen> They should release Mx. Pacman
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[0:02] <jamesc> how do i change it so i can reach a dhcp server
[0:02] <GenteelBen> Mx. is a trans/genderqueer/non-binary title.
[0:02] <GenteelBen> jamesc: you pay me to be your consultant.
[0:02] <GenteelBen> Also I have no idea wtf you're talking about.
[0:02] <jamesc> eh
[0:02] <GenteelBen> What are you trying to do? Is this another RPi-based upskirt camera shoe project gone wrong?
[0:02] <jamesc> what channel is this?
[0:02] <jamesc> i am trying to update my raspberry pi zero
[0:03] <jamesc> wtf are you talking about?
[0:03] <GenteelBen> If you can SSH into your Pi Zero
[0:03] <jamesc> yes i can
[0:03] <GenteelBen> But you have an IP address in the 169.254 range
[0:03] <jamesc> thats the ip of the pi zero
[0:03] <GenteelBen> It means your Pi can't talk to your DHCP server
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[0:03] <GenteelBen> Or your DHCP server (your home router?) isn't giving out a lease to your device.
[0:03] <Tenkawa> how are you getting this ip?
[0:03] <Tenkawa> but sshing to a diff one?
[0:04] <GenteelBen> That's not an IP you "get". That's an IP every network adapter is given by every OS/firmware if it can't reach a DHCP server.
[0:04] <Tenkawa> how are you collecting information?
[0:04] <GenteelBen> Tenkawa: good point.
[0:04] <GenteelBen> How are you even ONLINE?!?!
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[0:04] <jamesc> ifconfig on my pi zero
[0:04] <jamesc> that i am ssh'd into
[0:05] <GenteelBen> jamesc, over what interface?
[0:05] <GenteelBen> Ok
[0:05] <GenteelBen> This is just a waste of time
[0:05] <GenteelBen> You've not explained how you're even SSH'd into that device.
[0:05] <jamesc> from another computer
[0:06] <jamesc> is this real life?
[0:06] <jamesc> usb
[0:06] <jamesc> to pi zero
[0:06] <jamesc> ssh
[0:06] <GenteelBen> Did you put that other computer on the same
[0:06] <GenteelBen> Oh for the love of
[0:07] <GenteelBen> So you're physically hard wired into your RPi via USB?
[0:07] <jamesc> no but i tried to change the pi zero ip to one on the same subnet of my computer
[0:07] <jamesc> still can't ping it
[0:07] <GenteelBen> I'm confused.
[0:07] <jamesc> yes
[0:07] <GenteelBen> jamesc, do you have a home router?
[0:07] <jamesc> yes
[0:07] <GenteelBen> If you use a USB-to-ethernet adapter to connect your Pi to your home router, your Pi will receive an IP address.
[0:07] <Tenkawa> yeah he's gadgeted
[0:07] <GenteelBen> Also
[0:08] <GenteelBen> Unless you bridge an adapter using your PC you can't be connected to your PC *and* get network access on your Pi...unless you use 2x Ethernet adapters.
[0:08] <GenteelBen> Ok yeah this is pointless.
[0:08] <jamesc> i think we can agree on that
[0:08] <GenteelBen> jamesc I recommend that you feed your RPi to a passing bear.
[0:08] <jamesc> recommend you, idk, kill yourself?
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[0:10] <phil42> .
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[0:17] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. time to run.
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[0:21] <teej> Sounds like that is more of a network-related issue.
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[1:52] <leftyfb> Can I run a raspbian(Jessie) card from a pi3b on a pi3b+? Just run rpi-update or do I have to upgrade the whole distro?
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[1:56] <erm3nda> leftyfb, did u tried to put the card?
[1:56] <erm3nda> + models are usually just more ram and cpu ... i dont think it changes so much on devices and rootfs
[1:56] <leftyfb> I haven't tried yet ... I'm about to slightly rebuild my pi rack server so I'm doing some final updates anyway before shutting them all down.
[1:57] <erm3nda> well, just create a backup of the sdcard with dd then try
[1:57] <erm3nda> but i do guess it will just work
[1:57] <erm3nda> google about rpi3b and b+ specs differences
[1:57] <leftyfb> erm3nda: there is definitely an incompatibility with raspbian releases pre-pi3b+ .. just wondering if all that is needed is the firmware update and not stretch as opposed to jessie
[1:57] <erm3nda> if there's nothing except ram and cpu should work out of the box
[1:57] <akk> I'm kind of surprised so many people ask about using raspbian with a 3b+ ... considering the same raspbian works with everything from a pi 1 to a 0 to a 3b, it would be surprising if it didn't handle the very minor upgrade of the 3b+.
[1:58] <leftyfb> it doesn't
[1:58] <akk> Really? Every other time I've seen that question here people have always said yes.
[1:59] <erm3nda> ask, for me all is that easy as try ...
[1:59] <erm3nda> :-B
[1:59] <erm3nda> akk
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[1:59] <akk> yeah, if I had a 3b+ I'd just try it, it's easy to pop a card out of another pi.
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[2:01] <leftyfb> not when you're running servers off of them :)
[2:01] <leftyfb> I'm in the process of shutting things down properly ... then I'll give it a try
[2:01] <erm3nda> leftyfb, add a sdcard reader, dd the whole system, use copy to test
[2:02] <erm3nda> btw, you can just get a fresh raspbian and try
[2:02] <erm3nda> no need to shutdown your currently running one
[2:02] <leftyfb> that's happening anyway
[2:03] <leftyfb> I'm replacing the switch with a GiB switch and replacing at least 1, maybe 2 of the pi 3's with 3b+
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[2:03] <leftyfb> oh, and replacing the backup HDD
[2:03] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzc6mv7l2jzyuni/2018-03-18%2014.16.43.jpg?dl=0
[2:03] <leftyfb> in that
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[2:06] <erm3nda> mother of god
[2:06] <erm3nda> why so many rpi inside? ;D
[2:07] <leftyfb> each serves a different purpose
[2:07] <erm3nda> is seomthing like a NAS ?
[2:07] <leftyfb> it's nice and clean in my server rack
[2:08] <erm3nda> sticker makes it feel more official :-B
[2:08] <leftyfb> not really ... though one of them (the one connected to the HDD, though not connected yet in the pic) does my backups every other night
[2:08] <erm3nda> looks cool
[2:08] <erm3nda> except for the hdd :D
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[2:09] <leftyfb> I tore the HDD out of it's external case to save space
[2:09] <leftyfb> same with the switch
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[2:10] <erm3nda> well, seems mechanical :D thats all
[2:11] <erm3nda> a swich board, power controller for hdd :D looks really cool
[2:11] <leftyfb> it's whole purpose is to take all the cables down to a single power cord and ethernet cable for all of them. And house it all in a 1RU rack mount
[2:12] <leftyfb> before I had multiple pi's just banging around in my server rack with wires everywhere ... taking up multiple power powers. Plus the HDD just sitting on a shelf by itself
[2:12] <erm3nda> anyone here can tell me what is the bigger con of the zero ? i like it because sooo small
[2:12] <erm3nda> i just have rpi2b+
[2:13] <erm3nda> leftyfb, so, not just for home, is for server purposes
[2:13] <erm3nda> i hate wires :D so good work
[2:13] <leftyfb> erm3nda: I have a server closet at home
[2:14] <leftyfb> erm3nda: 1 downside to the zero (not zero w) is lack of wireless and the need for additional usb/hdmi adapters
[2:17] <erm3nda> OTG usb hub, so
[2:17] <erm3nda> no need for hdmi, is for processing not for use as laptop
[2:17] <erm3nda> ok, thank you
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[2:18] <erm3nda> i made a little python applause detector time ago, before i even had rpi
[2:18] <erm3nda> i dont know how to say peluche :D
[2:18] <erm3nda> wait
[2:19] <erm3nda> clapping monkey :D
[2:19] <erm3nda> with clap recognition, not only noise recognition
[2:19] <erm3nda> that's why i though that zero is better for that
[2:19] <erm3nda> https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fsgfm.elcorteingles.es%2FSGFM%2Fdctm%2FMEDIA02%2FCONTENIDOS%2F201411%2F18%2F00108340548984____1__640x640.jpg
[2:20] <erm3nda> somerthing like that, with rpi zero inside to enable it to clap :-)
[2:20] <erm3nda> so, zero w is wifi?
[2:21] <erm3nda> and i guess hdmi will be the miniport
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[2:24] <erm3nda> leftyfb, btw i think that a rpi is not the best option, because batteries will be drained so fast
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[2:27] <leftyfb> erm3nda: don't think a pi is the best option for what?
[2:27] <leftyfb> oh, for the clapping thing
[2:27] <leftyfb> you can use a micro for that
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[2:29] <erm3nda> custom chip, maybe, never did that
[2:29] <erm3nda> i know i can build it with arduino, but i didnt learn about it yet
[2:29] <erm3nda> all that is for learning anf fun purposes
[2:29] <erm3nda> when you say "micro" ... do you mean microphone? microprocessor?
[2:30] <leftyfb> an arduino basically
[2:30] <erm3nda> microphone is totally needed, is what my program needs to get sound and identify as clap
[2:30] <erm3nda> not by pattern, just by noise curve
[2:31] <erm3nda> leftyfb, well, i have to learn arduino first but i do admit i've read and it's easier to build
[2:31] <erm3nda> and battery friendly compared to rpi system
[2:31] <erm3nda> still a noob on that fields, specially noob on arduino
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[3:21] <cirdan> is there a place to host extra/newer packages for raspbian? the zfs in raspbian is old and broken
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[4:25] <erm3nda> hi
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[5:39] <Arrgh> Hey folks, anyone know if the Fedora 27 AArch64 image should boot on a Pi3B+?
[5:39] <Arrgh> I tried, and I got rainbowed, but I'm perfectly willing to admit the possibility that I messed something up :)
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[5:58] <Voop> Arrgh: yeah its probably not updated yet
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[6:05] <learningc> What kind of camera I can connect to the raspberry pi?
[6:05] <Voop> one made for it
[6:06] <Voop> or one that connects via USB of course
[6:06] <learningc> Can I use one that is sold off ebay? Like the OVxxx module?
[6:07] <learningc> I don't mind to do any kind of solder jobs
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[7:05] <xamindar> ugh, is there any way to prevent the pi screen from losing connection to pi when it is powered off and back on?
[7:05] <xamindar> when i power the screen off, it will not come back when i power it back on again
[7:06] <xamindar> this is the oficial 7" pi screen
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[7:23] <Voop> xamindar: no, i dont think so
[7:23] <Voop> but that shouldnt happen
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[7:25] <xamindar> Voop: I intend it to happen though....i put the screen and pi in my car. I set the pi to safely power down 30 minutes after the car goes off, and have the screen powered only by the car when it is on.
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[7:26] <xamindar> was hoping the screen would naturally come back on like any normal hdmi screen does when power-cycled
[7:26] <Voop> yeah, it should
[7:27] <Voop> have you tried powering both the display and pi off at the same time
[7:27] <Voop> also why 30 minutes after the car is off. seems like a long time
[7:27] <xamindar> Voop: yeah that of course works fine
[7:28] <xamindar> 30 minutes in case i start the car again from a quick run in a store. then it doesn't have to go through the slow boot process.
[7:28] <Voop> ok good point
[7:28] <Voop> are you saying the shutoff works fine, or it boots up and turns the screen on correctly
[7:28] <Voop> when they are powered from the same source
[7:28] <xamindar> i maybe falsly assumed the official screen would be more robust than a normal off-the-shelf hdmi screen
[7:29] <xamindar> yeah
[7:29] <xamindar> the only problem is when the pi stays on, but the screen power-cycles.....then it is lost until the pi next reboots
[7:30] <Voop> hmm im sure there is a way to fix that
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[7:30] <Voop> i havent used the display though so i dont know
[7:30] <xamindar> i was hoping there was maybe a config setting to force the pi to use the screen connection. im just guessing here that maybe it switches to the hdmi input when it loses the screen connection.
[7:30] <Voop> there is, in the config file
[7:31] <Voop> you can add a line to force a certain display
[7:31] <xamindar> not sure though, i guess ill just keep searching online
[7:31] <xamindar> hmm, ok ill look that up and try
[7:31] <Voop> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md
[7:33] <Voop> enable_dpi_lcd maybe
[7:36] <xamindar> hmm, that looks like it is for third party though
[7:37] <xamindar> display_default_lcd looks promising but it only talkss about not making it the default
[7:37] <xamindar> thanks for the link, ill try some things and see what i get
[7:38] <xamindar> the only other option i have is to have the pi power the display....but when i do that there is a constant lightning bolt on the screen
[7:39] <Voop> that indicates low power (amperage)
[7:40] <xamindar> yeah :(
[7:40] <Voop> how is the pi and display connected to the car?
[7:40] <Voop> do you know how many amps are available to them
[7:40] <xamindar> through a usb power bank, should be 2 amps
[7:41] <Voop> and which pi is this
[7:41] <xamindar> 3b
[7:41] <Voop> yeah youd need like 3.5a
[7:41] <xamindar> lol
[7:43] <xamindar> it was overall easy getting working with this setup...who would have thought the most annoying problem would be power supply
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[7:44] <Voop> i run into power issues all the time
[7:44] <Voop> most of the hubs and wall warts i have are from china. all claim high amps but are actually like 750ma
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[8:18] <Zardoz> makes me laugh all the people that cheap out on power supplies then complain stuff does not work.
[8:21] <Zardoz> also I have found that 99% of all power supplies for USB hubs are severely under rated for the number of ports. thay assume you dont need full power for each port.
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[8:23] <DJDan> how do i enable AFP filesharing server on RPI3 Raspbian? sudo apt-get install netatalk doesnt seem to exist anymore
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[8:27] <Zardoz> DJDan: why is that?
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[8:27] <DJDan> dunno
[8:27] <Zardoz> did you do a apt-get update the try to install?
[8:28] <DJDan> yep
[8:28] <DJDan> it still cant seem to find it .. hmmm
[8:28] <Zardoz> did you just install the image?
[8:28] <DJDan> no
[8:28] <Zardoz> mmm
[8:28] <Zardoz> do you get any error?>
[8:29] <DJDan> E: unable to locate package netatalk
[8:32] <Zardoz> mmm
[8:32] <Zardoz> not finding anything on it. I dont have my pi up and running to try it.
[8:33] <DJDan> it used to work on a previous version years n years back
[8:34] <Zardoz> yeah...
[8:34] <DJDan> http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Install_Netatalk_3.1.11_on_Debian_9_Stretch ... well i guess they removed it from the repository or something
[8:35] <DJDan> unless my repositories are stuffed.. but other stuff work
[8:35] <Zardoz> yeah I was looking at that stuff
[8:35] <DJDan> ill just manually compile it then
[8:35] <Zardoz> have fun :)
[8:37] <DJDan> totally.. im trying to build a cross linux/osx script... and prefer AFP then SFTP, as osx finder browser you cant edit or drag natively without it
[8:37] <Zardoz> yeah
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[8:39] <DJDan> its strange.. filezilla doesnt seem to work with RPI SFTP, but Transmit for OSX does
[8:46] <red9> Columbia AppleTalk Package - https://github.com/mabam/CAP
[8:46] <red9> an alternative..
[8:47] <DJDan> why wouldnt i just use the default appletalk version
[8:48] <red9> "netatalk doesnt seem to exist anymore"
[8:48] <DJDan> is that part of the repository
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[8:49] <red9> It's just a hint in case NetAtalk fails.
[8:49] <DJDan> fairenough
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[8:50] <red9> My hunch is that netatalk i more updated. But if things just won't work. It's another option to try. Instead of going into coding..
[8:53] <DJDan> if i can find libgcrypt devel package in apt-get install.. then maybe
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[8:54] <Hero1980> hello can anyne help me and tell me the way how to install https://www.eclipse.org/paho/clients/c/ for c on Raspberrypi
[8:55] <DJDan> raspbian stretch doesnt seem to have libgcrypt11-dev
[8:56] <red9> compile from source then?
[8:56] <red9> maybe you can grab a .deb package from another distro?
[8:56] <Hero1980> how i dont know
[8:58] <red9> -> DJDan
[8:58] <red9> DJDan, btw how do you accomplish the physical connection to the Mac?
[8:58] <DJDan> red9: what do u mean?
[8:59] <red9> (PC-server)-- Ethernet --> ???? -- RS-422 --> Macintosh
[9:00] <DJDan> what?? lol...
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[9:01] <DJDan> just a wireless or wired network.. whats the question
[9:02] <DJDan> why isnt there LIBGCRYPT 1.2.3 for raspbian..surely its in the repository somewhere
[9:02] <red9> http://i.imgur.com/pVLXzBx.jpg
[9:03] <red9> picture of Ethernet to AppleTalk bridge.
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[9:03] <red9> DJDan, You use a modern Mac with Ethernet? well that could explain things ;)
[9:03] <DJDan> whats that box do special that a router wont do
[9:04] <red9> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?54874-A-happy-Mac-Plus-best-way-to-internet-it
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[9:05] <DJDan> what are u trying to say... whats the benefit of that box..
[9:06] <DJDan> my smb/afp network works fine generally...
[9:06] <red9> If you use a Macintosh the "networking" ports looks like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Mac_lc_printer_modem_ports.jpg
[9:06] <DJDan> what are you ona about i have a macbook pro from 2010 not the stoneage
[9:06] <DJDan> lmao
[9:07] <DJDan> Macs these days use proper rj45 ethernet jacks
[9:08] <red9> ok
[9:08] <red9> Then, why use AFP and not AFS, NFS etc ..?
[9:08] <DJDan> because its better then SMB
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[9:10] <DJDan> how do i get SMB to work... i think i tried that on the rpi but couldnt get it to work
[9:11] <DJDan> http://news.jpy.com/kbase/support-articles/2015/9/8/afp-versus-smbsamba
[9:12] <DJDan> the communication between a MAC and AFP is faster then SMB
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[9:21] <gruetzkopf> AFP is mostly dead, even apple stuff uses SMB
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[9:23] <red9> It could still be faster..
[9:24] <DJDan> how do i setup smb in raspbian then
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[9:29] <red9> apt-get install samba
[9:29] <red9> then edit smb.conf (or something like that)
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[9:32] <DJDan> replaced by samba-common samba-libs
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[9:34] <red9> Somebody ought to have done this before? search the network?
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[10:25] <Hero1980> i have add ssh file to noobs files but i am not able to access the raspberry via putty
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[10:32] <Hero1980> i have add ssh file to noobs files but i am not able to access the raspberry via putty
[10:33] <Hero1980> can anyone one help me with this
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[10:39] <Hero1980> is there to install mqtt paho c library on raspian
[10:39] <Hero1980> is there way to install mqtt paho c library on raspian
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[10:43] <reichnicht> hey everyone, I'm going crazy. My ISP only allows for ipv6. Any way I can access my raspberry pi from the outside with ipv4? I already have duckdns ddns working
[10:43] <reichnicht> anyone in germany with unitymedia with the same issue?
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[11:00] <Hero1980> <reichnicht> you need External IP
[11:01] <reichnicht> I have the external ipv4 IP
[11:01] <reichnicht> and on the router (connect box) I can only port filter
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[11:02] <reichnicht> with ipv6 only
[11:02] <Hero1980> i tried the same like you i could not access the raspberry only from my local network
[11:02] <Hero1980> i am also in Germany
[11:03] <Hero1980> where are you in Germany
[11:03] <Hero1980> >
[11:03] <Hero1980> ?
[11:03] <reichnicht> Stuttgart
[11:03] <Hero1980> i am in Berlin
[11:03] <mlelstv> if you have DSL-Lite you cannot use ipv4 for incoming connections
[11:04] <mlelstv> use ipv6 :)
[11:04] <reichnicht> yeah, I do have DSL-LITE. so there is no way to access through ipv4?
[11:04] <reichnicht> would a new router solve it?
[11:04] <mlelstv> that's what the LITE tells you :)
[11:04] <reichnicht> at my work, and on 4G I can't have ipv4 :(
[11:05] <mlelstv> so where is the problem?
[11:05] <mlelstv> or do you mean you can't have ipv6 ?
[11:05] <reichnicht> I can't access my local Pi through ipv4
[11:06] <mlelstv> if you can have ipv6, it's all fine, isn't it?
[11:06] <reichnicht> ipv6 is fine and works but I need it to be available through ipv4 too for nextcloudpi
[11:06] <reichnicht> yeah, but most of the time I can't have ipv6 outside of the house
[11:06] <mlelstv> nextcloud is ipv4 only? silly.
[11:06] <mlelstv> almost all mobile internet is ipv6-capable.
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[11:07] <reichnicht> no no, nextcloud is ipv4 and ipv6. it's just that I can't seem to port forward or access my pi outside of the house with ipv4 ip only
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[11:11] <Hero1980> <reichnicht> do you mind to exchange with me whatsapp numbers so we can help each other about Raspberry when have have questions
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[11:15] <Hero1980> is there to install mqtt paho c library on raspian
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[11:35] <MarkusDBX> Is there any robotic vacuum projects for the rpi? Thinking of getting a robotic vacuum, but something that would last a long time due to easily replaceable parts would be cool.
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[11:37] <mlelstv> Here is one for arduino http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-Vacuum-Robot/
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[11:54] <Hero1980> i have download the Ubunto on my raspberrypi but i dont know default the username and password ?
[11:55] <mlelstv> raspberry and pi ? :)
[11:57] <Martin_G4FUI> Is that for Raspian (not Ubuntu?)
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[12:04] <Hero1980> <mlelstv> i did not understand what do you mean
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[12:07] <Martin_G4FUI> <Hero1980> which Ubuntu distro have you downloaded?
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[12:10] <Martin_G4FUI> <Hero1980> Have you tried ubuntu/ubunto
[12:10] <Martin_G4FUI> <Hero1980> Have you tried ubuntu/ubuntu
[12:18] <red9> I have tried MS-DOS ;)
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[12:25] <Hero1980> <Martin_G4UI> yes t tried ubuntu ubunt
[12:26] <Hero1980> yes t tried ubuntu ubuntu but nothing working
[12:27] <Martin_G4FUI> You didn't say which distro?
[12:27] <Hero1980> i have download it from here https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started/raspberry-pi-2-3
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[12:28] <Hero1980> this one Rapsberry Pi 3 Ubuntu Core 16 image for Raspberry Pi 3 (stable)
[12:29] <BCMM> can anybody recommend a good USB SATA adaptor or enclosure, suitable for always-on use? it should pass through smartctl and allow me to spin down the disks
[12:29] <BCMM> ^SMART commands sent with smartctl
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[12:30] <Martin_G4FUI> <Hero1980> Have you followed the "User Account Prerequisites"?
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[12:31] <BCMM> i don't know how to tell if a USB-SATA bridge supports SMART before i buy it
[12:31] <Hero1980> <Martin_G4FUI> i am trying to access it via my laptop using ssh
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[12:34] <Hero1980> <Martin_G4FUI> i have another question
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[12:34] <Martin_G4FUI> It appears that you need this "SSO User Name" whatever that is ...
[12:35] <Hero1980> i am trying to install ubuntu because on Raspian i am not able to dowonload baho mqtt library for c
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[12:37] <Martin_G4FUI> I don't really understand, but I still think you need to go through this "Ubuntu SSO Account" process before you can log in to your system and create your own user account
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[12:42] <Hero1980> <Martin_G4FUI> i cannot access Ubuntu SSO Account because i have to access it via my windows using putty and i dont have the username and password
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[12:44] <Hero1980> <Martin_G4FUI> the reason i want to use ubunto is to download bah mqtt library for c that i am not able to download it on raspian
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[12:45] <Martin_G4FUI> I think you need to resolve that problem first <Hero1980>
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[12:47] <MarkusDBX> mlelstv: thanks =)
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[12:49] <Hero1980> i want to include this library #include "MQTTClient.h" on my raspian .... i dont know how ????????
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[12:54] <BCMM> Hero1980: MQTTClient.h is just a header. it doesn't contain actual implementations
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[12:55] <BCMM> Hero1980: you need to link the actual library in addition to including that header
[12:55] <BCMM> Hero1980: is this the library you're trying to use? https://github.com/eclipse/paho.mqtt.embedded-c
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[12:59] <Hero1980> <BCMM> thank you but how to download it on my raspberry
[12:59] <BCMM> Hero1980: it doesn't look like it's available in debian/raspbian repos, so i guess you'll have to look at the build instructions on that github page
[13:00] <BCMM> Hero1980: alternatively, you could look at other MQQT libraries that are already packaged
[13:00] <BCMM> for example, does libmosquitto do what you need?
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[13:02] <Hero1980> <BCMM> yes
[13:02] <Hero1980> <BCMM> but how download it on raspian
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[13:06] <Hero1980> is there c library on raspian i can use it to Sub and Pub message ???
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[13:07] <BCMM> Hero1980: git clone?
[13:08] <BCMM> Hero1980: instructions here https://www.eclipse.org/paho/clients/c/
[13:08] <BCMM> Hero1980: i don't know anything about mqqt, and i don't know what sub and pub message means
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[13:09] <Hero1980> <BCMM> https://www.eclipse.org/paho/clients/c/ these instructions does not work on Raspian
[13:10] <mfa298> Hero1980: maybe you should try googling for something a bit more generic like "raspbian C MQQT library" if that's what you're trying to do - there's likely lots of people who've done this before and done some form of write up (whether they're good writeups is a different question)
[13:11] <mfa298> also change the C to whatever language you're using. If you're a beginner then Python might be a better language to use on the Raspberry and I'm sure there are plenty of guides to using MQQT with Python.
[13:11] <BCMM> Hero1980: *why* don't they work?
[13:12] <BCMM> Hero1980: is it just make: command not found, or something like that? do you have build-essential?
[13:13] <Hero1980> <mfa298>i program on c from many years ago
[13:13] <BCMM> Hero1980: and again, are you building a piece of existing software that specifically needs Paho, or could you make your life easier by using another mqqt lib for C, that is already packaged?
[13:13] <Hero1980> <BCMM> i will try other lib
[13:15] <mfa298> Hero1980: have you done much C recently (as your questions seem to suggest not much understanding of how C libraries work). Unless you really know a lot of C (not just you were taughty it on a course 10 years ago)
[13:15] <BCMM> Hero1980: remember that on debian distros, you need the -dev package to build software against a library
[13:15] <mfa298> ... python is probably a much better route (needs few lines of Python code to do the same as C) and it's usually much more readable
[13:15] <BCMM> Hero1980: e.g. libmosquitto-dev
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[13:30] <Hero1980> <BCMM> i have installed moaquitto on my raspberry
[13:30] <BCMM> Hero1980: ok.
[13:31] <Hero1980> but how to publish and subscribe message in the code
[13:32] <Hero1980> i know to to use it from the shell
[13:32] <Hero1980> but i want to use it inside C code on the raspberrypi
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[13:44] <rZr> https://twitter.com/RzrFreeFr/status/982319103582097408
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[14:24] <rocketmagnet> hi all, yesterday i was able to make wlan conenctions withmy rpi3modelb, today i don't see the wlans available... how to find ot what went wrong ?
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[14:27] <Hero1980> how to include header file in geany on raspberrypi
[14:28] <rocketmagnet> how to find out which module is used normaly for wlan ?
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> Hero1980, please stop asking trivia here and start googling.
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> rocketmagnet, type lsmod to see what modules are loaded, however simply try rebooting.
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[14:47] <red9> Regarding previous Macintosh/68k-Apple ventures. If anyone is interested in AppleTalk implementation. Here seems to be the technical details: https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275&start=30
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[15:04] <Hero1980> <gordonDrogon> i am googling from 2 days no success
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> Hero1980, mqtt is a solved thing - although I've never used it, there are lots of articels on it.
[15:13] <Hero1980> <gordonDrogon> i have tried everything to use it with c no success
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[15:14] <Lartza> Hero1980, What exactly isn't working?
[15:15] <BCMM> Hero1980: i'm sorry, but "how to include header file in geany" is *entirely* the wrong kind of question for somebody who has used C before
[15:15] <Hero1980> i want to include #include "MQTTClient.h" in geany
[15:15] <Lartza> So do that?
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[15:16] <BCMM> Hero1980: it's not an IDE, it's just a text editor! do the standard C thing
[15:16] <Hero1980> it gives me no such file or directory
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> Hero1980, maybe just admit that you're not a C programmer and go and do a C programming course.
[15:18] <BCMM> Hero1980: try ##c - honestly, they might not like this sort of questioning either, but they'd be better placed to direct you to some beginner's C resources
[15:19] <Hero1980> the problem with including c header file in raspberrypi
[15:20] <Lartza> No it isn't
[15:20] <BCMM> Hero1980: the raspberry pi is just a linux machine, and C on the raspberry pi is just C
[15:20] <BCMM> Hero1980: it *might* help to know what environment you're used to
[15:21] <BCMM> some embedded c-like thingy with an integrated thingy for managing libraries?
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[15:22] <BCMM> Hero1980: also it kind of feels like you're jumping right in at the deep end here. have you verified that you can actually compile helloworld.c, on a Raspberry Pi?
[15:23] <Hero1980> <BCMM> believe me i am not that stupid
[15:23] <BCMM> Hero1980: have you *actually tried*?
[15:23] <BCMM> on the pi?
[15:23] <Owner> whats up party people!
[15:24] <Hero1980> yes sure
[15:24] <Owner> Hero1980: what error are you getting
[15:24] <Owner> i just got here
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[15:27] <Hero1980> <Owner> https://imgur.com/a/pS0EC that is my problem
[15:29] <Tex_Nick> Hero1980: you're enclosing "MQTTClient.h" with quotes
[15:29] <BCMM> Hero1980: did you actually install the library? (per the instructions linked much earlier)
[15:29] <BCMM> if you did install it, where did you put the header file?
[15:29] <BCMM> did you use make install, or do you have have it kicking about in a directory?
[15:30] <Hero1980> <BCMM> yes you are right .... i am trying to install it and i tried everything no success
[15:31] <BurtyB> so is the problem installing it or including it....?
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[15:32] <BCMM> Hero1980: let me get this straight... do you have any reason to believe that the header file you're trying to include actually exists *on your pi*?
[15:32] <Owner> true
[15:32] <Owner> quotes means its in a local directory
[15:32] <Owner> < > means its in system directory
[15:33] <pksato> Hero1980: deletelater.c come from?
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[15:33] <Hero1980> <BCMM> i know it is not in my PI
[15:33] <Hero1980> just give me way to install it
[15:33] <Jeebiss> I know this is probably a simple question, but when I am googling I find a dozen different options
[15:34] <BCMM> Hero1980: ok. under no circumstances will the C compiler automatically download and install dependancies for you
[15:34] <BCMM> some languages do that, but C's not one of them
[15:34] <Jeebiss> Whats my best route for running a python app constantly in the backgorund of my pi?
[15:34] <Jeebiss> Using a screen seems to be the most common option I have found
[15:34] <leftyfb> Jeebiss: create a systemd unit
[15:35] <Owner> Hero1980: i want to help
[15:35] <Jeebiss> How is that different/preferable to using screens?
[15:35] <Owner> yes thats the correct question
[15:35] <Owner> where did you get deletelater.c
[15:35] <pksato> Jeebiss: Its is a interactive app?
[15:35] <leftyfb> Jeebiss: once it's setup, you can tell it to run on reboot without having to login, type screen and rereun your applicatio
[15:35] <Owner> oh you are that mqtt guy....internet of things lol
[15:36] <Owner> ok so mqtt, headers is what you need
[15:36] <leftyfb> Jeebiss: it also allows for things like restarting the service if it dies unexpectedly
[15:36] <Hero1980> yes
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[15:36] <Jeebiss> leftyfb: its a small webserver app
[15:36] <Owner> Hero1980: are you using an mqtt provider / service ?
[15:36] <Jeebiss> so that does sond preferable
[15:36] <pksato> If is not interactive app, just make it a daemon. and set to run o boot via systemd.
[15:36] <Hero1980> <Owner> from where to download this library that have this header file
[15:36] <Hero1980> yes
[15:37] <Owner> Hero1980: link me
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[15:38] <Hero1980> <Owner> i tried this one it not working
[15:39] <Hero1980> https://www.eclipse.org/paho/clients/c/
[15:39] <Owner> ok cool
[15:39] <Owner> one second
[15:40] <Owner> Hero1980: ok did you build from source ?
[15:40] <BCMM> Hero1980: it's not just a matter of having the header file available. you also need to build and install the library the header refers to
[15:40] <Owner> yeap....
[15:40] <BCMM> Hero1980: what happened when you tried to follow the instructions on that page?
[15:40] <Owner> Hero1980: git clone, make, make install, it listst he steps
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[15:41] <Hero1980> first git clone https://github.com/eclipse/paho.mqtt.c.git
[15:41] <BCMM> i bet he just doesn't have /usr/bin/make
[15:41] <Hero1980> then when i try make
[15:41] <Hero1980> it does not work
[15:41] <Owner> give error
[15:41] <Hero1980> yes
[15:42] <Owner> tell us.
[15:42] <BCMM> Hero1980: could you tell us the exact error you got when you typed "make"?
[15:42] <Hero1980> ok let me try one more time
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[15:44] <Owner> yeah, this looks pretty good, i dont see why it wouldnt work if you follow the steps
[15:44] <Owner> once it builds and installs, then we figure out the header lcation
[15:45] <Owner> i can already see the file is there in their source code though, so its looking good :)
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[15:45] <Hero1980> rc/Clients.h:29:25: fatal error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory #include <openssl/ssl.h>
[15:46] <leftyfb> Hero1980: have you ever done anything in C at all ever?
[15:46] <Owner> HerculeP: ok
[15:46] <Owner> Hero1980: which distro are you on
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[15:46] <Jeebiss> leftyfb: am I directing this correctly?
[15:46] <Jeebiss> ExecStart=/home/pi/web-server/app.py
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[15:47] <Hero1980> look what i get https://imgur.com/a/nMlWs
[15:47] <Jeebiss> thats the path to my app i am trying to run
[15:47] <Owner> Hero1980: yeah i see it, its not a bad error
[15:47] <Owner> Hero1980: whats your package manager / distro ?
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[15:48] <BCMM> Hero1980: apt-get install libssl-dev
[15:49] <Hero1980> https://imgur.com/a/hAlvg
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[15:49] <Hero1980> i will try this one
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[15:51] <Owner> Hero1980: now you just need to install some packages before you can build it... libssl-dev is first, as bcmm said
[15:51] <Owner> Hero1980: then....if you load the github
[15:51] <Owner> you can see they give you hints
[15:52] <Owner> On Debian based systems this would mean that the following packages have to be installed:
[15:52] <Owner> apt-get install build-essential gcc make cmake cmake-gui cmake-curses-gui
[15:52] <Owner> after that, i think you should be able to build
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[15:53] <Jeebiss> hey, i figured it out, thanks for the tip leftyfb
[15:54] <leftyfb> Jeebiss: np
[15:54] <Jeebiss> this is at least more intuitive then other options i have seen
[15:54] <Owner> jeebiss, nice name, lol
[15:55] <Jeebiss> haha, 13 year old me appreciates your compliment
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[15:55] <Jeebiss> 15 years later it seems dated
[15:55] <Owner> :)
[15:56] <Owner> Hero1980: wow, every step is on the github, even installing libssl-dev. why not just read this. https://github.com/eclipse/paho.mqtt.c
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[15:56] <BCMM> to be fair, the docs there are pretty confusing, with the choice of make or cmake
[15:56] <Hero1980> <Owner> it works
[15:57] <BCMM> (and the frankly ugly and awkward cmake invocation)
[15:58] <Hero1980> thanks you <Owner> <BCMM>big kisses for all of you
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[16:01] <Owner> YAY
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[16:02] <Owner> ugh theres not enough time in the day to do all the projects
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[16:34] <rhagu> Hi, I am reading temperatures from some max31855 in python and think about storing them, what would be "best", storing to a numpy array or storing to a file?
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[16:48] <stiv> 'best' without some sort of requirement is meaningless
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[16:48] <Owner> rhagu: perhaps like.... xml db ?
[16:48] <Owner> what is it called....the sqlIte
[16:48] <Owner> sql lite
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> rhagu, store in a CSV file then anything can read the values.
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> universal format and all that.
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[16:50] <Owner> depends though
[16:50] <Owner> better is to store them in an array
[16:51] <Owner> and write to disk only occassionally
[16:51] <Owner> dont go thrashing the disk
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[16:51] <rhagu> I see, both points are valid I guess
[16:54] <Owner> you can definately implement csv on your own
[16:54] <stiv> all depends on what you are trying to do.
[16:54] <Owner> and an array
[16:55] <Owner> yeah....and which language you are using
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> looks like python.
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[17:00] <stiv> i mean what is the end game? storing daily temp recs for use in another program? (csv is nice)
[17:01] <stiv> accumulating temps for display on screen? (python list)
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I have an oven that stores temps from 3 x max31855 thermocouples into a CSV file every second - mostly I then delete the file, but sometimes I look at it via gnuplot.
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[17:01] <stiv> doing math on huge number of temps in memory? (numpy)
[17:02] <rhagu> I want to use python to measure and plot temperature data in intervalls of approx. 1 minute, the python script should output a file with the data a plot and stop measuring as soon as the temperature does not change anymore for the last 10 minutes
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> so if you output to CSV then you use use any number of tools on it - even excell/libreoffice calc, etc.
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[17:03] <rhagu> I want to use matplotlib later on and do all the math in python as well
[17:03] <stiv> yeah. hard to beat a nice text file for data exchange
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[17:04] <stiv> go wild! stuff temps in mongodb using json format
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[17:15] <vaft> if you’re writing files that often, output them to a tmpfs mountpoint
[17:16] <Owner> stiv: lol
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[17:19] <stiv> 1 sample per minute is hardly "often". even for the pi
[17:20] <Owner> yeah thats not a lot
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> quite. And then theres this thing called the buffered IO library. stdio.h in C terms, I presume Python uses it ...
[17:23] <Jeebiss> So I made a systemd unit to run my webserver app off of but now some of my file references in my app are not accessible anymore
[17:23] <Jeebiss> img = Image.open("img/label-1.png")
[17:23] <Jeebiss> It cant find the file despite it being there
[17:23] <Owner> Jeebiss: use chdir or something
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[17:24] <Owner> Jeebiss: your PWD is wrong
[17:24] <Jeebiss> PWD?
[17:24] <Owner> present working directory
[17:24] <Owner> or w/e current working directory
[17:24] <Jeebiss> oooohhh
[17:24] <Jeebiss> is that something id set in my unit file, or in my app?
[17:24] <Owner> i dont do systemd though so i dont know if you can change it from there, or if you can change it from your startup script (if you have one) or if you want to do it from the app itself
[17:24] <Jeebiss> oh hahah
[17:25] <Owner> ;>
[17:25] <Owner> first question is, are you using a startup script
[17:25] <Owner> or directly launching form systemd
[17:25] <Jeebiss> no
[17:25] <Jeebiss> it seems to automagically launch
[17:25] <Owner> ok then you have to see if systemd can change the directory for you before launching
[17:25] <Owner> im sure it can
[17:25] <Owner> otherwise you will be writing a script or adding chdir to your app startup
[17:25] <Jeebiss> rodger that
[17:25] <Jeebiss> ill get to googling
[17:25] <Owner> :D
[17:26] <Owner> hah use duck duck go or startpage its 2018
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[17:27] <Jeebiss> you kids and your fancy stuff
[17:27] <Jeebiss> my netscape homepage is fine with me!
[17:30] <Owner> heh
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[17:32] <akk> Jeebiss: Can't you just use the full path? /home/whatever/whatever/img/label-1.png
[17:32] <Owner> akk: you dont want to do that
[17:33] <Jeebiss> akk: presumably so, i was able to find a working directory option for systemd units
[17:33] <Owner> never do that...
[17:34] <Owner> that would be like writing html pages with the protocol (http/https) the domain (blah.com) and the path for every link
[17:34] <akk> Owner: For a one-off thing run on one machine? Why not? Of course a real program would do something like os.path.join(profiledir, "img", imgname)
[17:34] <Owner> you want protocol and domain to be decoupled form the code
[17:34] <Owner> akk: you can do it, but you wont like it :D
[17:34] <Jeebiss> Owner:
[17:34] <Jeebiss> whoops, ignore that ping
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[18:14] <learningc> What would be the lowest latency solution for streaming on a pc a camera connected to the raspberry pi?
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> connect the camera to the PC ...
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[18:23] <darkdrgn2k> how do you install linux kernal headers on rabian
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[18:26] <akk> darkdrgn2k: Try aptitude search linux-headers, then pick the ones that correspond with your kernel (uname -a will tell you that).
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[18:26] <darkdrgn2k> yeh thast what i sued to do
[18:26] <darkdrgn2k> but looks like i gatta use raspberrypi-kernel-headers now
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[18:38] <learningc> gordonDrogon, I need a low power server hence the raspberry pi
[18:40] <GenteelBen> That's really low power.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> learningc, what about one of those wi-fi webcams then - however - have you measured the latency of using the Pi?
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> the only time I did streaming from the Pi's camera (to another Pi) I didn't notice any appreciable latency.
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[18:43] <Jeebiss> is there any reason why flask would correctly display a png but not a gif?
[18:43] <Jeebiss> url_for('static', filename='out.png'
[18:43] <Jeebiss> works great
[18:43] <Jeebiss> url_for('static', filename='sticker.gif')
[18:43] <Jeebiss> doesnt load the gif despite it being in the same directory
[18:43] <Jeebiss> it seems to correctly construct the url path on the page
[18:44] <Jeebiss> actually, it may be crashing my app entirely
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[18:53] <Jeebiss> yeah, definitely not wanting to display a gif
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[19:05] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[19:59] <Owner> hey Jeebiss :D
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[20:00] <Owner> need help?
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[20:07] <Jeebiss> Owner: i am back in action
[20:07] <Jeebiss> ish
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[20:15] <Owner> Jeebiss: sup
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[20:17] <kuzetsa> sanity check: a well-regulated circuit (trusted) which isn't able to output more than 10.6 mA (you'd have to push it - that's the theoretical maximum) and a voltage maxing out at 3333 mV ---> GPIO pin (for input) which I believe is directly connected to a pin on the BCM2837 (raspberry pi 3)
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[20:18] <kuzetsa> if I had a spare raspi 3 laying around today I'd just do it and hope for the best heh
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[20:20] <Owner> kuzetsa: you find 3b+ documentation? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio-plus-and-raspi2/README.md
[20:20] <Owner> doesnt include 3b+
[20:21] <Owner> inclues pi 3
[20:21] <tdn> Anyone knows how well this keyboard (Jelly Comb) works with rpi? https://www.amazon.com/Keyboard-Jelly-Comb-Rechargeable-Computer/dp/B072MYNG6V/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1522960177&sr=8-18&keywords=jelly+comb+wireless+keyboard
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[20:22] <Owner> 2.4g wireless connection?
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> kuzetsa, a Pi pin in input mode is a very high impedance thing.
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> kuzetsa, ie. it won't draw any current.
[20:25] <Owner> tdn: it comes with a usb bluetooth receiver
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> tdn, I've used wireless keyboard & mouse to a Pi - with their own little dongle.
[20:25] <Owner> tdn: wouldnt you rather just use regular bluetooth ?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> it's not bluetooth.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> personally, I think the not bluetooth ones are far better.
[20:25] <kuzetsa> gordonDrogon: sure, point of my question was that under no circumstances will the circuit in question be able to supply even a dozen mA
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> ie, the ones with their own little dongle.
[20:26] <Owner> gordonDrogon: its one of those, for sure
[20:26] <ali1234> like i said last time, anything that isn't bluetooth or logitech is horrible insecure
[20:26] <kuzetsa> so if it's at or near the right voltage (3.3 volt) it ought to be fine, I think
[20:26] <ali1234> logitech are good though, if you update the receiver firmware
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> kuzetsa, it matters not - if your thing can supply a million amps, they'll not get into the Pi unless you up the voltage.
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[20:30] <zamba> which pins on the gpio on the raspberry pi 3 is used for serial?
[20:31] <zamba> i'm trying to debrick my router using serial console.. it seems all howtos online is using raspberry 2 and earlier
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> zamba, type gpio readall
[20:31] <zamba> and all the information is outdated
[20:31] <kuzetsa> well it won't even supply 11 mA if you do something weird to it, so as you said: ["... pin in input mode is a very high impedance thing"] ought to mean it's fine
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> zamba, or goto pinnout.xyz
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> zamba, fwiw - the serial pins are the same over all Pi versions.
[20:31] <zamba> # gpio readall
[20:31] <zamba> bash: gpio: command not found
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> zamba, sudo apt-get install wiringpi
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[20:32] <zamba> but i read that the serial device has changed
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> ah, it's: https://pinout.xyz/#
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> it's still on the same physical pins.
[20:32] <zamba> it's not /dev/ttyAMA0, but /dev/ttyS0?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> right, but you asked for pins on the gpio ...
[20:33] <zamba> i'm not able to read /dev/ttyS0
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> did you make sure it's enabled using raspi-config ?
[20:34] <Owner> does raspiconfig just do the hw overlays ?
[20:34] <Owner> oh and change cmdline.txt
[20:34] <zamba> gordonDrogon: that only enables login shell on serial
[20:34] <zamba> gordonDrogon: which i don't want
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> As I understand it, raspi-config does the "right thing". whatever that is.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> zamba, so don't enable login, just enable the serial port.
[20:35] <Owner> i dont even have raspiconfig
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> and check to see if it's there: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyserial*
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Owner, it's raspi-config with a hyphen.
[20:35] <zamba> gordonDrogon: it's there
[20:35] <Owner> i know
[20:35] <Owner> i know how to do /boot/cmdline.txt, /etc/inittab, and /etc/securetty myself :)
[20:36] <zamba> not /dev/ttyserial*, though, but /dev/ttyS0 is there
[20:36] <Owner> most people these days dont get to use inittab simplicty anymore, it was all torn out by some guy with a grudge
[20:36] <Owner> heh
[20:37] <zamba> loopback through python works:
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> zamba, have you tried e.g. minicom -D /dev/ttyS0 -b115200
[20:37] <zamba> https://pastebin.com/f45DfBAX
[20:37] <zamba> so maybe it's just minicom messing things up
[20:37] <Owner> gordonDrogon: can use screen or socat also :D
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't program in python. it's just not my thing.
[20:38] <zamba> gordonDrogon: if i try that minicom command i get a blank screen
[20:38] <Owner> use screen or socat
[20:38] <Owner> minicom is h orrible
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[20:38] <zamba> Owner: agreed
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> whatever. I use minicom and have used it for years.
[20:38] <Owner> you can use hyperterminal too instead of putty
[20:38] <Owner> heh
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> a blank screen is ok - you won't expect to get anything - but if you harware loop the pins then you might get back what you type.
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[20:39] <Owner> zamba: cool little script
[20:39] <Owner> good its working
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[20:40] <Owner> zamba: when you type, you get double chracters
[20:40] <Owner> is what should happen
[20:41] <Owner> right?
[20:41] <Owner> though local echo may be an option
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[20:43] <Jeebiss> with flask, can i render a view and continue executing commands afterwards?
[20:44] <Owner> Jeebiss: what is flask
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[20:45] <Voop> would i run into any problems cutting the micro usb plug off a micro usb to rj45 adapter and wiring it direct to the pads on a pi0
[20:45] <Voop> the plug is in the way but i dont want to wire it direct if theres going to be issues
[20:45] <Habbie> how is it in the way?
[20:46] <zleap> Owner: i think flask could be a javascript framework but don't quote me on that
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[20:46] <stiv> python framework
[20:46] <Voop> Habbie: its all going in a box the size of a altoids tin
[20:46] <Habbie> flask is a python framework for building web apps/sites/services
[20:46] <Habbie> Voop, ah
[20:46] <zleap> ah ok python framework, nearly there :)
[20:46] <Voop> and companies dont care to make plugs small
[20:47] <Voop> will the data lines still work properly soldered directly to the pads
[20:47] <Voop> i know the power lines will
[20:47] <ali1234> yes
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> Voop, try it and see - what's the worst that could happen ....
[20:48] <Voop> id have to order another $15 adapter and wait 3 days for it
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> so solder carefully :)
[20:50] <Voop> ok so red is v+ black is gnd
[20:50] <Voop> green and white, which is d+ and d- ?
[20:50] <ali1234> you could add a new connector in different orientation
[20:51] <Voop> green d+ im assuming
[20:51] <ali1234> there is no standard for d+ d-
[20:51] <Habbie> Voop, use a multimeter on the plug that's still on it to make sure
[20:51] <Voop> good idea
[20:53] <kuzetsa> oh
[20:53] <kuzetsa> hi Voop
[20:53] <Voop> wow long time no see kuzetsa
[20:54] <kuzetsa> yes
[20:54] <kuzetsa> if you're good at soldering, yes that's fine
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[20:54] <Choscura> 'lo all
[20:55] <Voop> soldering is the one thing i do good
[20:55] <kuzetsa> it's a one-off though and you're stuck with that cable once you've soldered it, so expect to need a new pi zero if it goes badly heh
[20:55] <Voop> i know that usb lines are finnicky though
[20:55] <kuzetsa> I mean - if you're good at unsoldering I guess it's fine
[20:55] <kuzetsa> it just seems like a weird choice to directly solder a cable
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> someone here (I think) did a usb hub board for the Zero that needed to be soldered directly onto the Zero.
[20:56] <Habbie> Voop, i have done bad stuff to usb in the past and it survived fine
[20:56] <Voop> in this case its saving a ton of space
[20:56] <Habbie> Voop, like cut wires on two things and tape them together
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I think Zeros are OK to solder stuff to.
[20:56] <kuzetsa> ah well if footprint is a concer, directly to the board makes sense
[20:57] <Voop> i have an altoids tin worth of space. need to fit a zero an rj45 adapter and a relay
[20:57] <Voop> no room for plugs
[20:57] <kuzetsa> it's not like prototyping with zeros is a huge deal to accidentally fry one or two a year with aggressive decisions O_O
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> small relay - there are some that can run on under 16mA...
[20:57] <Voop> im not worried about the zero. im worried about the rj45 adapter
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> reed relays..
[20:57] <kuzetsa> oooh
[20:57] <Voop> it was $15. the zero is only $5
[20:57] <kuzetsa> lol yeah
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[20:58] <Voop> youd think adding ethernet to a computer wouldnt cost 3x as much as the computer
[20:58] <Voop> but oh well
[20:58] <kuzetsa> I have no reason to think the pi zero has USB pads which wouldn't otherwise comply with USB specs
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[20:58] <cheekio> woah
[20:58] <kuzetsa> so if the thing you're attaching it to is happy with USB specs it ought to be fine (assuming you use identify the correct conductors on your cable before soldering)
[20:58] <cheekio> what a haul. lot of peeps here
[20:59] <kuzetsa> hi cheekio
[20:59] <cheekio> I wanted to ask- anyone running raspbian with the rpi camera?
[20:59] <kuzetsa> Voop: good luck
[20:59] <cheekio> on a typical pi3
[20:59] <Habbie> cheekio, i'm sure people are, what's your question?
[20:59] <cheekio> I wanted to ask questions about field of view and the time it takes to take a screenshot, or the lag on video
[20:59] <Voop> i probably should have tested my code with the adapter before cutting plug and soldering
[20:59] <Voop> but oh well
[20:59] <Habbie> Voop, that would have been the smart thing!
[21:00] <cheekio> I'm using a cheapo webcam and to record a screenshot from /dev/video0 takes ~0.5s, which is just shy of forever
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> cheekio, not for a few years now, but I did use the original camera for a while.
[21:00] <kuzetsa> cheekio: I don't know if that particular camera-type add-on device is cleanly supported by the usual video4linux API (libv4l is used by a lot of software which supports capturing the input from a camera) but assuming it does
[21:00] <kuzetsa> hmm
[21:01] <cheekio> I can stream video but the delay is anywhere from 1-3s
[21:01] <kuzetsa> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62364 <<< according to this, the default kernel has v4l support these days
[21:01] <kuzetsa> and the fact that /dev/video0 is detected is a good sign
[21:01] <cheekio> I can use a typical usb camera no problem
[21:01] <stiv> cheekio, plug the cam into a real computer and see if it is faster
[21:02] <cheekio> ^^ good idea stiv
[21:02] * stiv bets it is not
[21:02] <cheekio> The delay for video will be less, at least
[21:02] <Voop> 'cheapo' webcams are usually garbage
[21:02] <kuzetsa> ooh, so it's already working (in terms of driver)
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> Voop, trying to find that usb hub I was thinking about, not found it, however found this: http://i67.tinypic.com/2i1gjuv.jpg
[21:02] <kuzetsa> I've got no clue about latency for that sort of thing heh
[21:02] <cheekio> I want to know if _the_ raspberry pi camera is going to be faster
[21:03] <zleap> Voop: but if you can develop on a cheap USB webcam , surely you can then upgrade the webcam to a decent one
[21:03] <kuzetsa> if you have a way of telling it to use a lowering resolution, that tends to make the framerate improve
[21:03] <cheekio> There's a whole rainbow cable adapter on the back of the board for it, may be better integrated than some off the shelf usb solution
[21:03] <ali1234> yes, it is
[21:03] <kuzetsa> like - not just linux / raspi: pretty much any webcam is like that: resolution increase = latency increase
[21:03] <Voop> gordonDrogon: if that works then any other usb device should work. in theory
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> Voop, might help confirm your soldering colours/pads though...
[21:04] <cheekio> Yeah, I've found out that past a certain resolution the frames to transcode pile up faster than they get sent out
[21:04] <Voop> i think ali said there's no color standard. but ill try it like the picture
[21:04] <cheekio> You can watch the ram tick up to max, then the swap, then everything is bad.
[21:08] <cheekio> lol, the internet says that a response time of 100ms is considered instantaneous to humans
[21:08] <cheekio> I guess they never played q3 with a good ping
[21:08] <cheekio> Considering the paper they cited is from 1968, I think it's a safe bet.
[21:08] <Voop> the human eye cant see more than 100ms
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[21:09] <maarhart> what do I do if I get 'virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory' while trying to build?
[21:10] <Habbie> maarhart, what are you building?
[21:10] <cheekio> looks like you're maxing out your pi specs
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[21:10] <cheekio> You used all the real memory, then all the swap.
[21:11] <cheekio> You can allocate more swap and hope for the best, or you can try to build on some sort of emulator and transfer the build result to your pi
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[21:11] <Habbie> i eventually went with the emulator
[21:11] <cheekio> Habbie, you a linux guy?
[21:11] <Habbie> because the pis with this issue are the only ones that ever had SD cards die on me
[21:11] <Habbie> cheekio, i guess?
[21:12] <cheekio> I've never had a good recommendation for an emulator
[21:12] <cheekio> What'd you use?
[21:12] <Habbie> docker + qemu
[21:12] <cheekio> qemu can do arm processor emulation?
[21:12] <Habbie> yes
[21:13] <Habbie> $ docker run -t -i --rm resin/rpi-raspbian:stretch uname -a
[21:13] <Habbie> Linux fb04b1d31435 4.9.87-linuxkit-aufs #1 SMP Wed Mar 14 15:12:16 UTC 2018 armv6l GNU/Linux
[21:13] <Habbie> this is how we build powerdns for raspbian
[21:13] <Habbie> on amd64 machines
[21:13] <Habbie> we used to do it on real pi but we need 2-3gb
[21:13] <Habbie> and swap kept killing the SD cards
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[21:13] <cheekio> I'm super lost
[21:13] <Habbie> for extra fun, we can just give it 16 cores if we're impatient
[21:13] <Habbie> ok, i'll slow down
[21:13] <Habbie> where can i help?
[21:14] <cheekio> where in that does qemu come in?
[21:14] <Habbie> so
[21:14] <Habbie> the resin/rpi-raspbian image has arm binaries
[21:14] <Habbie> the linux kernel can detect that
[21:14] <cheekio> If you run a docker container for a non-x86 architecture, you're SOL...
[21:14] <cheekio> oh
[21:14] <Habbie> and insert qemu for you
[21:14] <Habbie> if configured right
[21:15] <cheekio> That's so cool
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[21:15] <Habbie> it is
[21:15] <cheekio> docker is such a godsend for reproducible builds
[21:15] <cheekio> I hate it for 9/10 of the other uses it's proposed for
[21:15] <cheekio> but build time it shines like nothing else
[21:15] <Habbie> same here
[21:15] <Habbie> all my containers are temporary
[21:16] <maarhart> Habbie: mythtv
[21:16] <Bilz> hi all. i bought a chinese knock off lcd screen (3.5", specifcally this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-Price-Original-3-5-LCD-TFT-Touch-Screen-Display-for-Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B/32508151978.html . is it possible to install without having to start my sd card from scratch?
[21:16] <Habbie> maarhart, that sounds like something somebody already built
[21:16] <GenteelBen> MythTV is a great name
[21:16] <GenteelBen> You should register that before someone else does.
[21:16] <Habbie> ...
[21:17] <maarhart> Habbie: do you mean mythtv-light? I'm trying to build the full thing
[21:17] <maarhart> because I was getting an issue with the light version
[21:17] <Habbie> maarhart, i don't know, it just feels like something that would have been solved already
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[21:18] <maarhart> right, but I still get that error. do you think that booting from command line would decrease the chances of getting such error?
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[21:20] <Habbie> with X not running?
[21:20] <Habbie> slightly
[21:20] <Voop> cant find solder; off to harbor freight
[21:20] <maarhart> mmm okaym
[21:20] <Habbie> but i bet in the end you will just need to add swap and have a lot of patience
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[21:23] <maarhart> Habbie: okay, I was using make -j 5, I should have used make -j 3
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[21:25] <Habbie> oh
[21:25] <Habbie> yes
[21:25] <Habbie> thought about that but forgot to mention it
[21:25] <Habbie> when in doubt, -j 1
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[21:42] <cheekio> Found it!
[21:42] <cheekio> My rpi camera
[21:42] <cheekio> Tiny little bastard
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> cheekio, keep it more family friendly please.
[21:48] <cheekio> Sorry, got excited
[21:48] <GenteelBen> Yes we prefer the term "little person".
[21:48] <cheekio> I was about to ask if this was a no cussin zone
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[21:48] <GenteelBen> cheekio: who wouldn't be excited after finding their RPi camera?
[21:48] <suttin> thinking about setting up a docker swarm, what OS should I use? I'm leaning towards fedora
[21:49] <suttin> mostly becuase I'm a rhel admin
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[21:49] <suttin> let me rephrase, is there a good reason not to use fedora for that
[21:50] <Habbie> hi suttin
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[21:50] <Habbie> in general the answer you would get here is 'use raspbian, it is what is most well known on pi so you will get the best answers'
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[21:50] <Habbie> but some of that is because people do 'pi stuff' with their pi
[21:50] <Habbie> not 'pc stuff'
[21:50] <Habbie> i.e. use the gpio pins for fancy projects
[21:50] <cheekio> @suttin - fedora has a pretty frequent release cycle
[21:50] <Habbie> if rhel is what you are accostumed to
[21:50] <Habbie> i think fedora is a very decent choice
[21:51] <cheekio> you'll need to upgrade on the semi-regular
[21:51] <Habbie> cheekio, six months i think?
[21:51] <cheekio> i think so
[21:51] <suttin> Habbie: just wanted to make sure. And I agree, my gpio based projects I use raspbian
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[21:51] <Habbie> depending on your point of view the frequent releases are a good thing or a bad thing :)
[21:51] <cheekio> I'd prefer centos over fedora for anything but a desktop environment
[21:51] <cheekio> I _really_ want to try fedora on my main laptop
[21:51] <Habbie> if i wanted to experiment with recent technologies, i'd view it as a good thing
[21:51] <Habbie> cheekio, is there centos for pi?
[21:51] <cheekio> ...yes?
[21:52] <suttin> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/Arm32/RaspberryPi3
[21:52] <Habbie> i checked, fedora releases every 6 months but supports the old release for another 7 months then
[21:52] <Habbie> ok cool
[21:52] <Habbie> then suttin has two options that make sense in context
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[21:52] <cheekio> cursory googling suggests that it exists and is done
[21:52] <suttin> yeah, upstream or downstream, I like to live on the edge
[21:52] <Habbie> and has to decide between 'new fresh stuff' and 'no upgrade pain for five years'
[21:52] <Habbie> suttin, the edge is fedora rawhide ;)
[21:52] <Tenkawa> you know... bluetooth audio can be such a pain heheheh
[21:52] <zleap> well the pi camaera is designed for the pi, so it kinda makes sense it is optimised for it
[21:53] <suttin> orrrr, if I really wanted to live on the edge I could install arch
[21:53] <Habbie> but non-rawhide fedora is quite 'edgy' compared to centos as well
[21:53] <suttin> do you all think two pi3s are enough to get my feet wet with a swarm?
[21:53] <cheekio> `time raspistill -o image2.jpeg` >> `real 0m5.715s`
[21:53] <suttin> or should I go get another (or two)
[21:53] <Habbie> suttin, in general i feel the right number for toying with clustering and such is 3 or 5
[21:53] <Habbie> suttin, but i'm not specifically familiar with docker swarm
[21:54] <suttin> I guess I could start with two and add another if I need too
[21:54] <Habbie> suttin, have you considered pi zero or a cheap pi1/pi2 instead?
[21:54] <Habbie> likely
[21:54] <Habbie> just getting your feet wet should be fine on two i bet
[21:54] <suttin> I have the swarm hat coming, but I wanted to play today
[21:54] <Habbie> and adding more later is another experience i suppose
[21:54] <cheekio> A new coworker has a 5 pi hadoop cluster on his desk
[21:54] <cheekio> such a boss
[21:54] <Habbie> swarm hat or cluster hat?
[21:54] <suttin> the swarm hat takes 4 zeros and a regualar pi
[21:54] <suttin> cluster hat
[21:54] <Habbie> ok
[21:54] <zleap> talking of clusters
[21:54] <Habbie> so cluster hat
[21:54] * Tenkawa has a cluster hat
[21:54] <zleap> https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/22/this-is-what-a-16-raspberry-pi-zero-cluster-board-looks-like/
[21:55] <Habbie> zleap, that is cute
[21:55] <zleap> yeah
[21:55] <Habbie> zleap, useless except for experiments and teaching, but cute
[21:55] <cheekio> zleap I need money and free time so I can buy and play with one of those
[21:55] <zleap> yeah, but it shows waht can be done
[21:55] <Habbie> certainly
[21:56] <zleap> problem is now do you order 16 pi zeros
[21:56] <Habbie> and you can do fun things like pull one out
[21:56] <Habbie> which a VM environment can never fully emulate
[21:56] <zleap> now = how
[21:56] <Tenkawa> zleap: run to microcenter
[21:56] <cheekio> haha, > "You may have noticed that there’s only one Raspberry Pi Zero in the cluster board, simply because they don’t have more..."
[21:56] <Tenkawa> at least in the states
[21:56] <suttin> every time I step into a microcenter I buy one
[21:56] <Tenkawa> suttin: indeed
[21:56] <cheekio> Spent all my money on this pi board, now to populate it slowly over months
[21:57] <Habbie> hmm my favourite webshop indeed limits to 1 per customer
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[21:57] <zleap> i wonder if the pi zero W eliminates the need or hinders the networking side of it
[21:57] <Habbie> zleap, 'it depends'
[21:57] <zleap> if you want the device to use ethernet
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[21:57] * Tenkawa is really liking the rpi 3+ improvements so far
[21:58] <Habbie> oh they don't limit the zero WH to one per customer
[21:58] <Tenkawa> other than the poe making all his cases not fit
[21:58] <cheekio> The rpi camera is ridiculous
[21:58] <zleap> but will the WH fit in there
[21:58] <cheekio> 2600 px wide?
[21:58] <Habbie> zleap, judging from the image, no
[21:58] <Habbie> zleap, also it costs 3x the pi zero price
[21:58] <zamba> Owner: no, that doesn't work
[21:58] <zamba> Owner: not even through screen
[21:58] <Habbie> but i trust getting 16 pi zero just once is not super hard
[21:58] <cheekio> It's slow as dirt, 5.7s on average
[21:58] <Habbie> it's when you want to do it every day
[21:59] <suttin> wait, they have a pi zero with ethernet?
[21:59] <Habbie> suttin, no, with wifi
[21:59] <suttin> oh
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[21:59] <zleap> it would be nice if the pi zero had quad core like the pi 3 does
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[21:59] <Habbie> only the cm3 comes close i think
[21:59] <zleap> so you could have 16 x 4 cores = 64 core cluster i think
[21:59] <Habbie> maybe one day
[21:59] <Tenkawa> zleap: that would be surreally awesome
[21:59] <zleap> yeah
[21:59] <zleap> and increase the cost of the pi zero
[22:00] <Habbie> i don't think there are technical reasons for that not existing
[22:00] <Tenkawa> so be it
[22:00] <cheekio> the best feeling in the world is when google knows you well enough that the top result for 'yolo' is an object detection library
[22:00] <Tenkawa> I'd pay more
[22:00] <Habbie> but practically the price point might make it uninteresting at scale
[22:00] <Habbie> Tenkawa, but would enough people?
[22:00] <Tenkawa> Habbie: i think so
[22:00] <binaryhermit> what exactly is a pi zero wh? headers soldered on?
[22:00] <Habbie> binaryhermit, correct
[22:00] <zleap> binaryhermit: yes
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[22:01] <Tenkawa> I know a ton of people here who want machines to sit on there desk the size of a lunchbox but not cost what thet have been paying
[22:01] <suttin> that feeling when your server is running a newer version of fedora than your laptop
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[22:01] <Habbie> Tenkawa, but a pi3 covers that today
[22:01] <Habbie> Tenkawa, unless you have really small lunches
[22:01] <Tenkawa> Habbie: yeah thats true too
[22:02] <Tenkawa> some would like to be able to just mount it on velcro on the back of their tv
[22:02] <Tenkawa> rpi3 is a bit... standout
[22:03] <Habbie> again, how small is your tv?
[22:03] <rem3ndao> mm it is said velcro in english too? nevermind
[22:03] <Habbie> i just learned velcro is another one of those words that is a brand
[22:03] <Tenkawa> Habbie: varues
[22:03] <Habbie> but the word is used generally
[22:03] <Tenkawa> er varies
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[22:03] <Habbie> Tenkawa, but none of them smaller than a pi3, right
[22:03] <Budgii> Hi all! Just learned about RPI today, very exciting
[22:03] <Habbie> even my smallest tv could fit 1.8 pi3
[22:03] <Habbie> hi Budgii!
[22:03] <Tenkawa> yeah i cant remember what the non trademark term is
[22:03] <Budgii> Any recommendations on a kit to get started?
[22:04] <Habbie> Tenkawa, wikipedia does not provide one
[22:04] <Habbie> Budgii, do you know what parts you need/want?
[22:04] <Tenkawa> Habbie: nah... some of the people are juts particular...
[22:04] <Tenkawa> brb...
[22:04] <Habbie> Tenkawa, i have learned over the years to not worry about some of the people ;)
[22:04] <Budgii> I have no idea what I want to build.. :D
[22:04] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:04] <Habbie> Budgii, do you want to tinker with electronics?
[22:04] <Choscura> budgie, get a pi 3 b+, a 32 gb sd card, a case for the pi, and a 2.5 amp USB charger- iphone and samsung chargers are generally the next best thing
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[22:04] <Budgii> Yes Habbie
[22:04] <Choscura> errr... Budgii
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[22:05] <cheekio> Budgii: i recently got sunfounder's kit from amazon
[22:05] <Choscura> nod budgie, lol
[22:05] <Choscura> ...not*
[22:05] <Budgii> Choscura, this one? https://www.amazon.com/Freenove-Raspberry-Beginner-Processing-Tutorials/dp/B06WP7169Y/ref=sr_1_4?m=AV3WCPW70PEXC&s=merchant-items&ie=UTF8&qid=1523129074&sr=1-4&dpID=61L8EsR7YuL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[22:05] <cheekio> p.nice
[22:05] <Habbie> Budgii, that looks good, note you'll still need the things Choscura listed besides it
[22:05] <Habbie> and, i want to point out, if you're going to do electronics
[22:05] <Habbie> maybe get a few pi zero
[22:05] <cheekio> This was my purchase: https://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-Modules-Sensor-Raspberry-Extension/dp/B014PF05ZA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1523131523&sr=8-3&keywords=sunfounder+raspberry+pi
[22:05] <Budgii> I had this great idea of making an arcade game and putting it in public
[22:06] <Habbie> instead of one 3b+
[22:06] <Choscura> nooooo, don't get all that extra shit until you've started up on raspbian and played pi minecraft
[22:06] <Choscura> ...poo
[22:06] <Choscura> sorry
[22:06] <Choscura> hang on
[22:06] <Budgii> haha
[22:06] <cheekio> You should get the kit I recommended the extra crap so as to validate my purchase
[22:06] <Habbie> i've never played pi minecraft, is the electronics experience i got instead invalid now? :)
[22:06] <suttin> I like the kits that come with a pi
[22:06] <Choscura> start here
[22:06] <Choscura> https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Power-Supply-Listed/dp/B07BC6WH7V/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1523131581&sr=1-3&keywords=pi+3+b%2B
[22:06] <Budgii> So much excitement
[22:06] <Budgii> Cheekio, sensors looks really cool!
[22:07] <cheekio> booyah
[22:07] <Choscura> add a 32gb or whatever size you like SD card, you can image that yourself with raspbian, which, seriously try that first, and then try alternate OS's
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[22:07] <cheekio> Yeah, don't start with fedora
[22:07] <Budgii> Is the nooby card just preloaded with raspian?
[22:07] <suttin> sometimes they are, usually they arent
[22:08] <suttin> they will say in the product description if they are or not
[22:08] <zleap> Budgii: well you choose the OS when you boot (or OS's)
[22:08] <Choscura> but, a pi runs on 3.7v internal voltage, so it's easy to fry that with electronics as a beginner kit. Treat those kits as diy-USB keyboard and gamepad kits, approximately, or have something else handling the voltage difference, like an arduino or MSP430
[22:08] <cheekio> ^^
[22:08] <cheekio> Yeah, "NOOBS" lets you choose an os
[22:08] <suttin> still recommend raspian
[22:08] <Choscura> ^^^
[22:09] <zleap> me too, we can help you if you get stuck then
[22:09] <suttin> mostly because the documentation is the best for that
[22:09] <Budgii> So is the CanaKit (Choscura) the best as far as getting RPI and not frying my crap
[22:09] <Habbie> Budgii, the card being preloaded is not very interesting
[22:09] <Budgii> Habbie agreed
[22:09] <Choscura> I'm using raspbian on a $20 goodwill monitor on my pi3b talking here.
[22:09] <Budgii> Choscura, hahaha.. props!
[22:09] <Choscura> this is a computer setup that, when I got everything but the monitor new, came out to about $80.
[22:09] <suttin> im sshed into my pi zero on my gaming rigt
[22:09] <Choscura> including a powered USB hub, which, by the way, will also power and boot the pi
[22:10] <suttin> right now*I
[22:10] <Choscura> like, that's kind of annoying because I have to unplug both to turn off the pi, lol
[22:10] <zleap> some monitors have usb
[22:10] <Choscura> suttin++
[22:11] <Budgii> Choscura, so this power supply bypasses the need to unplug plug all the time and have its own power source.
[22:11] <suttin> Budgii: its just like a phone charger, but its just rated to work well with a pi
[22:11] <Budgii> got it!
[22:12] <Choscura> well, yes and no. again, that 2.5 amps ('amps' is 'the amount the thing is pulling from the plug'- an 'amp' is 'drawn' as in from a well, so a small plug is a small well to draw from and gets overdrawn easily, and that makes your pi go slow, freeze, and restart.
[22:12] <Budgii> Does this sucker come with the Pi device? https://www.amazon.com/Freenove-Raspberry-Beginner-Processing-Tutorials/dp/B06WP7169Y/ref=sr_1_4?m=AV3WCPW70PEXC&s=merchant-items&ie=UTF8&qid=1523129074&sr=1-4&dpID=61L8EsR7YuL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[22:12] <suttin> Choscura words better than me do
[22:12] <Habbie> can we tone down the bad words by 20%? thanks!
[22:12] <Habbie> Budgii, as i said, no - impossible at that price anyway unless it's a pi zero which is not mentioned at all, so no
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[22:13] <Budgii> I think I will get the Freenove kit and CanaKit. Sound like a good start?
[22:13] <Habbie> i'm not sure getting both makes a lot of sense
[22:13] <Habbie> then again you will run out of parts one day
[22:14] <Habbie> over the last two years i have bought three different kits just to replenish my collection
[22:14] <Choscura> Budgii, that link you just posted is a fine extra kit, but if you're aiming to do stuff like that and make, say, a 3d printer, again, look into arduinos and msp430's, those are able to run at up to 18 volts in some cases (make sure to cool those if they do!), so you have options for doing PWN motor control and so on with real motors worth having
[22:14] <Habbie> i want to point out that microcontrollers are lot more fun if you also have a pi
[22:14] <Budgii> +1 Choscura!
[22:14] <Habbie> i prototype on the pi and then convert to (in my case) esp8266
[22:14] <Budgii> So many choices!
[22:15] <suttin> or, if you're looking to set up a media server, you don't even need the electronics kit
[22:15] <Habbie> yes
[22:15] <Budgii> I just want to experiment with it all xD
[22:15] <Choscura> if you want a really easy place to start, I have a turret camera pi that's got a USB2AX controller (~$50) and 2 ax-12a stepper motors running at 12 v and a 12-5v stepdown powering the pi off the same plug
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[22:15] <Habbie> Budgii, then get the kit that comes with a book
[22:16] <Habbie> Budgii, and you'll have a lot of fun
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[22:16] <Choscura> it's about $250-300 for all that stuff, but you get a really precisely controllable pi-on-motors that you can mount on, say, a camera tripod, and it'll be able to do panorama shots, or you can use it to track plant growth (as my formal introduction to pis used these for, in pot grow-ops)
[22:17] <Budgii> That sounds exciting
[22:17] <Choscura> or, as my current project is, to make a sun-tracking fresnel lens to run a small boiler and run a small turbine for power generation off that.
[22:17] <Habbie> Budgii, so i think Choscura is being a bit overly specific, but after a few experiments it does help to have a clear goal to achieve next
[22:17] <Choscura> yeah, this is way over the top specific
[22:18] <Choscura> I don't recommend starting here
[22:18] <Choscura> I did, because, pot grow ops have investment capital
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[22:18] <Choscura> especially the legal ones, which this was, so that's clear
[22:18] <suttin> and to contrast Choscura, I'm working on a project that will only have power and ethernet plugged into my pi's. I'm going to build a docker swarm
[22:18] <Budgii> Very cool stuff. I guess my main goal is experiment with basics and get ideas from their to find my goal project. :)
[22:18] <Habbie> let's skip the pot talk in here still, please
[22:18] <Habbie> Budgii, then as i said, a kit with a book sounds good, so you'll have some guidance while you find your way
[22:18] <Choscura> I'm not talking about pot. I mentioned it in the context of a pi project.
[22:19] <Habbie> Budgii, even if the internet is full of projects as well
[22:19] <Habbie> Budgii, a book avoids choice paralysis
[22:19] <zleap> pot is short for potentiometer
[22:19] <Choscura> but, as another example, the farmbot (google it! right now!) is also a pi, and also has an arduino running the motors
[22:19] <Habbie> zleap, hehe
[22:19] <Budgii> So the CanKit just looks like raspberry pi with a power supply and a guide. I will look for a RP + adapter, then go with the freenove kit
[22:19] <Habbie> Budgii, makes sense to me
[22:19] <Budgii> Habbie, great phrase.. choice paralysis!
[22:20] <Choscura> cannakit is what I usually buy, honestly
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[22:20] <zleap> Habbie: well yes but lets mitigate the risks of people going away with the wrong idea as to what we discuss here
[22:20] <Choscura> the power adapters, free micro hdmi->hdmi adapters etc are all nice, and all in relatively good margins
[22:20] <Habbie> zleap, potmeter has never been misconstrued - so far!
[22:20] <Budgii> I think Habbie mentioned not seeing sense in both
[22:20] <suttin> also, don't buy more of the starter kits to replenish componets. You can get 300 led's for 12 bucks, as an example
[22:20] <Habbie> Budgii, i was saying that in the context of two -electronics kits-
[22:20] <Budgii> Got it
[22:21] <Habbie> Budgii, if one kit is 'pi + power + sd' and the other is 'electronics + book', go wild
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[22:21] <Budgii> Habbie, I think Freenove and CanaKit fit that description
[22:21] <Habbie> suttin, well i misused replenish - i found myself being short on 5 types of things so i just bought a different kit
[22:21] <suttin> that works lol
[22:21] <Habbie> suttin, with the first kit coming from a semi-local shop, the other kits coming from china with delay but at 30% the price worked for me
[22:22] <suttin> yeah, china is the way to go, just got to deal with the delay
[22:22] <Habbie> delay is getting better though
[22:23] <suttin> man I'm so spoiled from work. I want to stand up all of the infrastructure to deploy OS's because I dont want to do it by hand
[22:23] <suttin> meehhh
[22:24] <Habbie> so do that
[22:24] <Budgii> Is there a difference between these two?https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Micro-Supply-Listed/dp/B01C6FFNY4/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1523132534&sr=1-3&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+with+power+supply & https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BC6WH7V/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A30ZYR2W3VAJ0A&psc=1
[22:24] <Choscura> Hey, I'm meatspacing around, if anybody is interested in less-censored potentiometer discussions, it's possible in #raspberrypi_NSFW
[22:24] <Habbie> Budgii, pi 3 vs. pi 3 b+ it appears
[22:24] <Budgii> B+ is what I want then!
[22:24] <Choscura> get the b+
[22:25] <BurtyB> b+ is for those who like pain ;)
[22:25] <Budgii> BurtyB, why do you say that?
[22:25] <Habbie> wow, is the board so much cleaner on the b+?
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[22:25] <Choscura> if your broke, the pi0w is a decent cheaper option, but it's not as fast and doesn't have as many bells and whistles
[22:25] <Tenkawa> Habbie: a ton
[22:25] <Habbie> Tenkawa, nice
[22:25] <suttin> I like the antena case on the b+
[22:25] <Habbie> suttin, that's the one with the pi imprint?
[22:26] <Tenkawa> the heatsinks are laid out nicey too
[22:26] <suttin> yeah Habbie
[22:26] <Tenkawa> er nicely
[22:26] <Habbie> nice
[22:26] <Habbie> i had no clue until i compared those two urls
[22:26] <Tenkawa> like i said. my only gripe is the poe pins
[22:26] <Habbie> sadly i have no excuse to order a b+ ;)
[22:26] <suttin> yet
[22:27] <suttin> I mean, its the same price as the old one, so if you need one might as well
[22:27] <Budgii> now just need to get the SD card and i'm set for my bake sale (pie) haha
[22:27] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[22:27] <Habbie> suttin, well i don't have an excuse for owning the pi3 even ;)
[22:27] <suttin> isn't the recomendtation to get at least a class 10 card
[22:27] <BurtyB> Budgii, depends what you're going to be doing with it and how soon.. if it's doing lots over the network then you may want to go for a 3 or get the 3+ and be prepared to wait for things to work
[22:27] <Habbie> suttin, it is
[22:28] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, fix that with cutters ;)
[22:29] <Tenkawa> BurtyB: probably going to dremel thecase
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[22:29] <suttin> Budgii: yeah, when you are looking for an sd card, look for class 10. https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/speed_class/
[22:29] <Tenkawa> er the case
[22:29] <Budgii> BurtyB, right now I just plan to tinker with a kit, nothing on a network yet
[22:30] <Budgii> suttin, a class ten or at least a ten?
[22:30] <suttin> at least
[22:30] <Budgii> cool. thanks
[22:31] <Budgii> Ideally is 32GB enough space on the SD. I don't plan to use it as a storage device really..
[22:31] <suttin> more than enough
[22:32] <Habbie> there is no class higher than 10
[22:32] <Habbie> which does not mean all class 10 cards are created equal
[22:32] <Habbie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_class_rating
[22:32] <suttin> true, the classification switches to something different
[22:32] <Budgii> ah, misinterpreted V90 on the link suttin gave.
[22:33] <Habbie> i don't think any of my cards are 32G
[22:33] <suttin> i mean, I use these https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Micro-Adapter-SDSQUNC-016G-GN6MA/dp/B010Q57SEE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1467829582&sr=1-5&keywords=sandisk+ultra+microsd&linkCode=ll1&tag=mmjjg-20&linkId=5054a4f20a2b93bd5ba00c015653bb8d
[22:33] <Habbie> but it depends on what you want to do, yes
[22:33] <suttin> and i usually just buy whats on sale, the performance isn't that important to me
[22:34] <Habbie> i also treat SD cards as expendable
[22:34] <Habbie> except i have one pi that has been running for years
[22:34] <Habbie> i have no clue what sd i put in it
[22:34] <Habbie> and the smartphone charger it is on is 15 years old
[22:34] <Habbie> but it all just keeps going
[22:34] <Budgii> ha
[22:34] <Budgii> Im going to need a reader so I can install the OS on it
[22:35] <Habbie> Budgii, if you don't have SD slots in any pc/mac/.. that would be a good idea, yes
[22:35] <suttin> Budgii: usually laptops have an sd reader
[22:35] <Budgii> Unfortunately im not seeing one in mine..
[22:35] <Habbie> make sure it does microsd or you get an adapter as well
[22:36] <Budgii> Okay, should I be looking for micro sd with pi or just standard?
[22:36] <Habbie> any recent pi will only take micro
[22:36] <suttin> microsd
[22:36] <Habbie> but your reader will often be full size
[22:36] <Budgii> Glad I asked!!!
[22:36] <Budgii> word, Habbie!
[22:36] <Habbie> all brand microsd cards i've bought came with an sd->microsd adapter
[22:36] <suttin> they also sell card readers with microsd slots if you're like me and lose the adapters
[22:37] <Habbie> i store one microsd adapter in the usb card reader
[22:37] <Budgii> So my roomate has a mac with an sd slot but probably best to have my own..
[22:37] <Habbie> that is .. somewhere
[22:37] <Habbie> Budgii, yeah they're cheap, just get one
[22:37] <suttin> make sure the reader is usb 3.0
[22:38] <Budgii> +1
[22:38] <Habbie> usb 3.0 is nice but i don't feel it's that important
[22:38] <suttin> might as well, they are the same price as 2.0
[22:38] <Habbie> ack
[22:39] <Habbie> well i think i paid EUR 1 for mine
[22:39] <Habbie> so unsure about that ;)
[22:39] <suttin> fair nuff
[22:39] <Habbie> but might as well, yes
[22:39] <suttin> mine was $5
[22:39] <suttin> and usb3
[22:39] <Habbie> nice
[22:39] <Budgii> This one looks like a good option for the card https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Standard-Packaging-SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA/dp/B010Q57T02/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1523133498&sr=8-3&keywords=sd+micro+card+with+adapter&dpID=41f2SZSqv6L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[22:39] <Habbie> Budgii, weren't you buying the canakit?
[22:39] <Budgii> Yes
[22:40] <Habbie> oh, no sd in that
[22:40] <Habbie> ok that last url looks super familiar :)
[22:40] <Habbie> should be good
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[22:40] <Budgii> Yeah, I wish it did come with a card!
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[22:41] <suttin> Budgii: I use the 16gb version of those cards, they work well
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[22:42] <Budgii> suttin, Do you think there is a real difference in reliability between 16 and 32 gb? for only about 5 bucks more I get twice the space, a cushion at leats
[22:43] <Habbie> probably not
[22:43] <Habbie> the 32gb might even have more 'slack' to pick up errors
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[22:43] <suttin> not sure, but the bigger size will let you dual boot os's in the future if you want to experement
[22:44] <Habbie> nah
[22:44] <Habbie> just get a couple of cards in that case
[22:44] <Habbie> is dual booting even a well worked out thing for pi now?
[22:44] <suttin> i don't see why it wouldn't be
[22:44] <suttin> shouldn
[22:44] <suttin> shouldn't grub just work
[22:44] <Habbie> i haven't seen it
[22:44] <Habbie> i'm not saying it's not there
[22:45] <Habbie> i just haven't heard of it ever for pi
[22:45] <Habbie> and i bet it's because sd cards are cheap
[22:45] <suttin> oh noobs can do it
[22:45] <Budgii> reprage recommends this one (amongst others) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V5Q1K3O/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=rep0f-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00V5Q1K3O&linkId=df20f0065ddeacf9d7db9cee5746330b
[22:45] <Habbie> no it cannot
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[22:45] <Budgii> https://reprage.com/post/what-are-the-best-sd-cards-to-use-in-a-raspberry-pi
[22:45] <Habbie> if you switch OSes in noobs it destroys the other one
[22:45] <suttin> oh really
[22:45] <suttin> yeah just get another sd card then
[22:45] <Habbie> last time i checked, yes
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[22:45] <Habbie> experimenting with OSes just needs 4-8gb anyway
[22:46] <Habbie> and it reduces a lot of risks
[22:47] <Budgii> In that reprage link it showed some usage diagram. Has anyone really had an issue with a card after a few months?
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[22:48] <suttin> Budgii: Id go with the cheaper one honestly
[22:48] <Habbie> Budgii, i have never had a card die on me -except- when i ran big compile jobs 24/7 that needed 1-2gb of swap space
[22:48] <Budgii> suttin, the sandisk 32GB i first sent?
[22:48] <suttin> yeah
[22:49] <Budgii> Kind of what I was thinking since i'm just playing.. if I made something like a video game to put in an arcade I might get an upgrade :D
[22:50] <Voop> ive only had one sd card fail on me
[22:50] <Budgii> This reader looks good to me: https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-microSDHC-Reader-TS-RDF5K-Black/dp/B009D79VH4/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1523134171&sr=1-4&keywords=SD+card+reader&dpID=31mvshhOrFL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[22:50] <Voop> and it wasnt in a pi, it was in my phone which overheated
[22:50] <Budgii> I won't worry about my card failing then.. thanks Voop
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[22:50] <Habbie> as for cards failing
[22:50] <Habbie> just assume everything will fail some day
[22:50] <Habbie> and have backups and/or other contingency plans
[22:50] <Voop> you might not want to yank the power cable all the time
[22:51] <Voop> clean power offs are good
[22:51] <zleap> yes
[22:51] <Habbie> Budgii, haven't used that one but i see nothing bad
[22:51] <Budgii> Thats what I was hearing on youtube
[22:51] <Voop> but just read/writing isnt going to kill it too quickly
[22:51] <Budgii> if it did we would be in trouble Voop haha
[22:51] <suttin> and they are sd cards, they are cheap
[22:51] <Budgii> Okay, i am ready to order the ingredients 1..2..3.. bake sale here I come
[22:52] <Budgii> $100.62
[22:52] <suttin> wait, did you checkout yet?
[22:53] <suttin> doesn't matter, you also need an hdmi cable
[22:53] <Budgii> I have those
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[22:53] <suttin> cool
[22:53] <Habbie> good call though
[22:53] <Budgii> All set :D
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[22:53] <Habbie> wasn't it any of the kits i think
[22:53] <Budgii> good call indeed, thanks suttin
[22:53] <Habbie> usb keyboard?
[22:53] <Budgii> Yeah i've got keyboards and stuff
[22:53] <Habbie> all set!
[22:53] <Budgii> whaoo!
[22:53] <Budgii> wahoo8!
[22:53] <Budgii> Oh forget it. haha
[22:54] <Habbie> just pi + hdmi + power + keyboard will get you going for a week
[22:54] <Habbie> or longer even
[22:54] <Habbie> you'll be fine
[22:54] <Habbie> and we will be here :)
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[22:54] <suttin> yeah, but try on your own first, when you get frustrated come here for help :)
[22:54] <Budgii> this is an amazing channel. Thank you all for your help!
[22:54] <suttin> you learn a lot more when you fail first
[22:54] <Budgii> Indeed..
[22:54] <Habbie> Budgii, we try and you're welcome :)
[22:55] <Habbie> and yes
[22:55] <Habbie> failure is not a disgrace
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[22:55] <suttin> I do this kind of thing for work too (setting up and maintaining linux OS servers) and I fail allllllllll day until I don't
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[22:56] <Budgii> out of failure, success is cultivated... something like that, +1 Habbie!
[22:56] <Budgii> haha
[22:56] <Budgii> Sounds like a fun profession suttin
[22:56] <Habbie> hehe yes
[22:57] <suttin> yeah, you might find out you're in for a career change with this new hobby :D
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[22:58] <Budgii> w00000t can't wait this is going to be a blast!
[22:58] <Habbie> it will be :)
[22:58] <Budgii> One thing I would like to do is optical experiments.
[22:58] <Habbie> optical?
[22:58] <Budgii> suttin, tinkering with tech would be a blast
[22:58] <Budgii> camera
[22:58] <Habbie> i notice you did not buy a camera
[22:58] <Budgii> yeah, not yet.
[22:59] <Budgii> Who was doing the camera experiments?
[22:59] <Habbie> i don't recall a specific person
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[23:00] <Budgii> Choscura was. I just had this brilliant idea that HexChat should have a control+find, tested it and it worked. YESS
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[23:01] <Habbie> ah yes
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[23:02] <suttin> whoops, wrong power cable
[23:02] <Habbie> hehe
[23:03] <Habbie> your router?
[23:03] <suttin> no my weechat relay on my pi
[23:03] <suttin> I need to a) move it to the basement, and b) set up tmux and weechat as a service
[23:03] <Habbie> ah
[23:03] <Habbie> just asking because we didn't see a ping timeout
[23:03] <Habbie> some active component reported your absence on your behalf
[23:04] <suttin> i wonder what the ping timeout is on freenode
[23:04] <Habbie> i don't know
[23:04] <Habbie> but it did not come into play here
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[23:07] <Budgii> so what IRC do you guys use on your RPI
[23:07] <Habbie> i run weechat+tmux
[23:07] <suttin> weechat+tmux
[23:07] <Habbie> if you can read this, it's working
[23:07] <Budgii> Whats the purpose of tmux?
[23:07] <Habbie> it sits in my 'metering closet' or whatever you call it, i'm sure you know what i mean
[23:07] <suttin> the other two options are irssi and screen. I highly recommend weechat though
[23:07] <Habbie> Budgii, tmux allows me to disconnect my ssh client at will
[23:07] <Budgii> I just looked it up and says it lets you run multi terminal
[23:07] <suttin> screen is the cousin to tmux
[23:08] <suttin> yeah, so when you run something in linux that takes over your terminal, you have to leave the terminal open otherwise the program will close. Tmux or screen lets you "close" the screen and the process will still keep running
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[23:09] <Budgii> ah, so for example with HexChat i have a 'login' to something, can't remember the name. tmux is that login?
[23:09] <suttin> weechat is the irc part, like hexchat
[23:09] <Budgii> suttin, i actually wanted something that I could kill terminal on linux after running a program from the command line
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[23:10] <suttin> weechat is a terminal based irc client
[23:10] <Budgii> ah, cool!
[23:10] <Budgii> Does it support SASL?
[23:10] <suttin> yes
[23:10] <Habbie> Budgii, https://imgur.com/a/CoFa7
[23:10] <Habbie> yes it does
[23:10] <Budgii> Good. I like my SASL and cloak
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[23:11] <Budgii> that thing is oldschool awesome!
[23:11] <suttin> cloak is set on irc.freenode.net, its part of your account
[23:11] <Budgii> @habbie ^
[23:11] <Habbie> Budgii, :)
[23:11] <Budgii> so each one of those tabs are another chat room
[23:11] <Habbie> the tabs at the top are different terminal sessions on my mac
[23:12] <Budgii> ah okay. and can be different channels or?
[23:12] <Habbie> the [H: 20, ...] at the bottom are different irc channels
[23:12] <Habbie> the tabs at the top are from iTerm for mac
[23:12] <Habbie> the H: 20 stuff is from weechat
[23:12] <Habbie> the green line at the bottom is from tmux
[23:12] <Habbie> so three layers
[23:12] <Habbie> iterm -> tmux -> weechat
[23:12] <suttin> https://imgur.com/a/oP7yv
[23:12] <Budgii> ah, okay
[23:12] <suttin> this is mine
[23:12] <suttin> I have a buffer plugin so I can see the channels im in
[23:12] <Budgii> nice suttin
[23:13] <Budgii> so Habbie how do you switch channels. click or type?
[23:13] <Habbie> i used to have that but i dropped it
[23:13] <Habbie> Budgii, esc 1, esc 2, esc 3 for the first 9
[23:13] <suttin> and, the relay.list means I have something connected to my weechat relay, my phone. I use one account for irc
[23:13] <Budgii> sweet
[23:13] <Habbie> Budgii, esc j 73 for 73, etc.
[23:13] <suttin> or /buffer <channel buffer number>
[23:13] <Habbie> or that
[23:13] <Habbie> in irssi it would be /window <number>
[23:13] <Budgii> so suttin, does that bugger plugin exist in rpi
[23:13] <Habbie> yes
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[23:14] <Habbie> i used to have the sidebars
[23:14] <Budgii> I am getting too excited about this!
[23:14] <cheekio> looks like darknet is too beefy to run in 1gb of ram
[23:14] <Habbie> so as a general note
[23:14] <suttin> the buffer plugin is for weechat, so if you can run weechat you can run any of the plugins
[23:14] <Habbie> if you see these things on any generic linux box
[23:14] <Habbie> the pi will also do it
[23:14] <Habbie> the pi is 99% a (slow) generic linux box
[23:14] <Habbie> plus all the electronics fun
[23:14] <Budgii> got it. i love this!!
[23:14] <suttin> well, more like 80% :P
[23:14] <Habbie> :D
[23:15] <Budgii> okay curiosity is getting me here. What are some of your favorite RPI projects you have done. :D
[23:15] <Habbie> suttin, 'it depends'
[23:15] <Habbie> Budgii, do you know Guitar Hero?
[23:15] <Budgii> Yes, Habbie. Fun
[23:16] <Habbie> Budgii, do you know what an RGB led strip is?
[23:16] <suttin> Budgii: I set up a kiosk in my kitchen that shows my google calendar, the weather, and any house projects with a kanban board from trello.com
[23:16] <Budgii> I do not Habbie
[23:16] <suttin> it just rotates through tabs in chromium
[23:16] <Budgii> haha, nice suttin
[23:17] <Budgii> I do now* Habbie
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[23:18] <Habbie> Budgii, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Lxqn27McA
[23:18] <Budgii> Haha what the, that's cool! done with RPI Habbie?
[23:18] <Habbie> Budgii, also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZGP3cPInG0
[23:18] <Habbie> yes
[23:19] <Habbie> rpi initially and then later esp8266
[23:19] <Budgii> You made that?
[23:19] <Habbie> which fits inside the guitar
[23:19] <Habbie> i did
[23:19] <Habbie> all the code is here https://github.com/Habbie/hardware-hacks/tree/master/guitar-lamps
[23:19] <Habbie> it fades based on the colour of the guitar button you press
[23:19] <Budgii> does it respond quickly in expert mode? haha
[23:19] <Habbie> well the game is not involved
[23:19] <Habbie> i still want to do that ;)
[23:19] <Budgii> Ah, that is in the works then!!
[23:19] <Habbie> well it is a thing i want
[23:20] <Habbie> and know how to do
[23:20] <Habbie> i just haven't yet
[23:20] <Budgii> Now I know I have a purpose for python!
[23:20] <Encrypt> Habbie, Fun starts when you play a real track :>
[23:20] <Habbie> Encrypt, so in this case (wii guitar) there is no wiimote involved
[23:20] <Encrypt> Yeah :P
[23:20] <Habbie> Encrypt, i'd have to change it to monitor the buttons while the wiimote works
[23:20] <Habbie> Encrypt, which as i just said i know how to do, i just haven't yet
[23:21] <Budgii> Arduino is on an add on youtube. Anyone know anything about it?
[23:21] <Habbie> arduino is a popular range of microcontrollers
[23:21] <Habbie> the esp8266 i mentioned earlier is somewhat comparable to it
[23:21] <Budgii> are microcontrollers something that interacts with RPI or is RPI a microcontroller?
[23:22] <Habbie> (1) yes
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[23:22] <Habbie> (2) it is too powerful to be considered one, which you may read as yes, except when timing is important
[23:22] <Habbie> the guitar hero thing, i put it together on a pi
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[23:22] <Budgii> So Arduino is more like a step down with other functions
[23:23] <Habbie> then redid it for esp8266 because the esp is smaller and uses less power
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[23:23] <Habbie> but because the pi is terrible at timing, a microcontroller might sometimes work better
[23:23] <Budgii> so for a little robot (shown in the ad) it might be better
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[23:23] <Habbie> the first video i posted (confusingly numbered #2)
[23:23] <Habbie> is an esp8266 inside a guitar
[23:23] <Habbie> talking over wifi to a pi
[23:23] <Habbie> the pi controls the rgb led strip
[23:24] <Budgii> haha
[23:24] <Habbie> in this case the led strip could have been on another microcontroller
[23:24] <Budgii> All of this is mindblowing to me
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[23:24] <Budgii> so a widget essentially
[23:24] <Habbie> or even the same one except then you'd have a wire coming from the guitar
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[23:25] <Habbie> or you could buy an rgb led strip kit with IR remote from your cheap corner store
[23:25] <Habbie> and put the remote inside the guitar
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[23:25] <Habbie> so many possibilities
[23:25] <Budgii> lol someone made a RPI humane mouse trap that takes a pic and texts it to you when you catch one
[23:25] <Habbie> nice
[23:26] <Habbie> so that shows you that the pi really is 'general purpose'
[23:26] <Habbie> you just need to decide on a purpose
[23:26] <Habbie> or a list of them
[23:26] <Habbie> at least, that's the way i enjoy it most
[23:26] <Habbie> just tinkering with electronics, with the kit you bought, is a great way to start
[23:26] <Budgii> @3:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YhTOUu06EY
[23:26] <Habbie> click
[23:26] <Budgii> I saw one of these (just more spiced up) in a big mall, they were charging $200 per figurine
[23:27] <Habbie> well she did say it takes 40 pis
[23:27] <Budgii> yes exploration leads to creation :D
[23:27] <Budgii> Yes.. 40.. but..
[23:27] <Habbie> it does
[23:28] <Budgii> 2 grand say for 40 pi's, get your 3d printer and materials they're making bank!
[23:28] <Budgii> 200 a figurine.
[23:28] <Habbie> plus renting the place
[23:28] <Budgii> True
[23:28] <Habbie> it might not be as awesome as you think
[23:28] <Budgii> hmm truue..
[23:28] <Encrypt> Budgii, Or you can use it as I do
[23:28] <Encrypt> Budgii, Install a web server and create your own blog
[23:29] <Budgii> haha!
[23:29] <Budgii> Thats another idea
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[23:29] <Habbie> Budgii, the general lesson here is that many things that can be bought expensively can be done cheap if you put in a lot of effort and time :)
[23:29] <Encrypt> Budgii, Install a file server and make it a "private dropbox"
[23:29] <Budgii> thats another great idea
[23:29] <Encrypt> Budgii, Install a mail server and you control who has your emails
[23:29] <Habbie> no lack of ideas :)
[23:29] <suttin> or install pihole and never see another ad while you are home (but that doesn't take a lot of tinkering)
[23:29] <Budgii> Encrypt, I really like THAT idea (email)
[23:29] <Encrypt> Budgii, Install a printer and make it a network-available printer
[23:30] <Encrypt> Install an Asterisk server and make it a voice PBX
[23:30] <Budgii> Voice PBX?
[23:30] <Encrypt> So many things to do
[23:30] <Habbie> private branch exchange
[23:30] <Encrypt> All that is already running on my Pi
[23:30] <Habbie> the thing your voice telco runs for you
[23:30] <Budgii> Amazing
[23:30] <Habbie> note, again, that most of these ideas are not limited to pi
[23:31] <Encrypt> Only 100MB or RAM used, and most of the time, no CPU is used
[23:31] <Budgii> I am sure
[23:31] <Habbie> but useful PCs don't come at 40 bucks
[23:31] <suttin> ^
[23:31] <Encrypt> Budgii, I've also set a backup system with unison
[23:31] <Budgii> ^^
[23:31] <Encrypt> Budgii, I synchronise my files on my Pi for backup purposes
[23:31] <Encrypt> I only have one command to type and my computer is synchronised
[23:31] <Budgii> Here's what I want to make; an AI human
[23:31] <Encrypt> Ah ah
[23:31] <Habbie> Encrypt, on your pi or to your pi?
[23:31] <Habbie> Budgii, well that is a big undertaking
[23:31] <Budgii> I would do it with my own tech but not someone else' that steals my data..
[23:32] <Encrypt> Habbie, It's bidirectionnal
[23:32] <Budgii> haha I realize :)
[23:32] <Habbie> Budgii, make sure to split it up into small goals
[23:32] <Budgii> that one is my moon shot
[23:32] <Habbie> well
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[23:32] <Habbie> as i said, a goal is good
[23:32] <Habbie> but this goal is big
[23:32] <Encrypt> I mean between my computers and the Pi :P
[23:32] <Habbie> so split it up
[23:32] <Habbie> and work on the parts
[23:32] <Habbie> and you'll learn so much
[23:33] <Budgii> Someones kitchen google calendar and weather is #1 coolest rasp pi projects according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YhTOUu06EY
[23:33] <Encrypt> More generally, I'd say: find a problem you'd like to fix and use your Pi to solve it
[23:33] <Budgii> Great idea Encrypt!
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[23:33] <Encrypt> I'm not sure it's particularly good to buy a Pi to do "something" without a clear goal
[23:33] <Budgii> Yes Habbie, make parts to build something bigger!
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[23:34] <Encrypt> If you ask yourself: "Why did I buy that for?" when you have it between your hands, there is a problem
[23:34] <Budgii> Like a phone?
[23:34] <Encrypt> Budgii, Or with a Pi and arduinos you can automate your house
[23:34] * Budgii hints at voice activated systems
[23:35] <Habbie> Encrypt, i smell 'learning electronics' here which i think is great
[23:35] <Encrypt> Budgii, https://www.mysensors.org/
[23:35] <Encrypt> Habbie, Eventually, yeah
[23:35] <Budgii> I think it's cool but can damage us if too much, think of wallie xD
[23:35] <Habbie> wall-e?
[23:35] <Budgii> I mean the PC has made it easier for us to be sitting all day and not get movement.. weight gain.. ;D
[23:35] <Budgii> yeah wall-e
[23:36] <Encrypt> Habbie, That said, depending on what you want to do, an Arduino might be a better choice compared to a Pi
[23:36] <Encrypt> Regarding power consumption for instance
[23:36] <Habbie> Encrypt, yes
[23:36] <Budgii> I'll start with Pi since I just bought it :D
[23:36] <Encrypt> Each tool has its particular use case
[23:36] <Habbie> Encrypt, which is why i said i prototype on the pi but don't deploy on it
[23:36] <Habbie> Encrypt, and i think the pi is easier for tinkering
[23:36] <Habbie> Encrypt, i2cdetect is right there etc.
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[23:36] <Encrypt> Ok, I see
[23:37] <Habbie> Encrypt, i'm not disagreeing, this is just how things have worked out for me
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[23:39] <gitterekim> Greetings all. I am new to this IRC stuff - but tell me, is this the place to discuss problems with bluetooth connectivity on my Pi?
[23:40] <suttin> ayy, now my weechat relay comes on durring boot
[23:40] <Habbie> gitterekim, it is
[23:40] <gitterekim> I have a Pi3 and a Pi3B+. Neither one will produce sound through my BT headset interface.
[23:41] <gitterekim> I'm using Clementine for audio, and the latest Stretch OS (from 3/13/18), updated and upgraded.
[23:41] <gitterekim> Keep getting conflicting info on pulseaudio, bluealsa, etc. Shouldn't this work right 'out of the box'?
[23:42] <Budgii> I'd like to make a psychometric meter to determine an emotion
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[23:44] <Owner> zamba: then you have the wrong settings? like baud ?
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[23:48] <suttin> crap thats right, fedora doesn't have wifi networking out of the box
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[23:48] <suttin> time to splice some cable
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