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IRC Log for 2018-04-11

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[0:00] <nfk> personally i stay away from bluetooth as to the best of my understanding all real world applications are insecure af
[0:00] <nfk> or rather, implementations, excuse my late night mistake
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[0:01] <r0b-> in my truck I use bluetooth to listen to pandora on my phone on my radio
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[0:01] <nfk> hopefully it's not connected to CANbus in which case it's at least somewhat fine
[0:02] <r0b-> ?
[0:02] <nfk> in case of my car i'm just really happy it predates connectivity (except it has a built-in GSM phone...)
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[0:03] <r0b-> I had to add a radio to get the bluetooth features. my factory doesnt even have aux input
[0:03] <nfk> CANbus or whatever it's spelt is the data bus used on good deal of industrial equipment including modern cars
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[0:03] <r0b-> yea
[0:05] <nfk> they literally run door locks and alarm on the same wires as radio control (though with something similar to routing or VLAN) but it's, i believe, mostly for limiting message propagation or saving power than security
[0:06] <nfk> anyway, good luck, i'm out
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[0:09] <zamba> i'm looking for a way to run z-wave devices from a raspberry pi
[0:09] <zamba> which hardware should i choose?
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[0:11] <ebarch> zamba: might be worth looking at Mozilla's recommended section on their wiki https://github.com/mozilla-iot/wiki/wiki/Supported-Hardware#z-wave
[0:11] <ebarch> those are officially supported for Project Things, at least
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[0:16] <zamba> what is Project Things?
[0:17] <zamba> ah, ok
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[0:22] <ebarch> yeah, I haven't used it myself. but I'd imagine if Mozilla recommends that hardware for the RPi stuff they're building, it should work for you =)
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[0:28] <Vivian> hey guys, I've got a question, if I want to learn how to physically interact with a pi (the gpio) where should I start?
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[0:37] <ebarch> Vivian: check out https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-gpio/
[0:37] <Vivian> ebarch: thank you ill take a look
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[0:38] <ebarch> sparkfun/adafruit have some good guides as well. it looks like they haven't updated them since the original Pi, though
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[0:38] <Habbie> doesn't matter much though
[0:38] <ebarch> yup. just figured having the extra pins mentioned would be helpful =)
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[0:39] <Habbie> pinout.xyz can help with that
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[0:39] <Budgii> Hi guys, I just got tightvnc and xdrp on RPi. How do I connect to it?
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[1:13] <Voop> random linux question
[1:13] <Voop> i have to install httplib2. trying to get clone it
[1:13] <Voop> so i do sudo git clone https://github.com/httplib2/httplib2.git
[1:13] <Voop> then what do i gotta do. github doesnt say
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[1:14] <deww> $ pip install httplib2
[1:14] <deww> as per the page
[1:14] <Voop> with the dollar sign? i get an error with or without
[1:14] <deww> no. that just denotes the promot
[1:14] <deww> prompt
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[1:15] <Voop> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'X509_up_ref'
[1:15] <Voop> googled it but still have no idea
[1:15] <Voop> which is why i tried the git clone method of install
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[1:17] <deww> Voop: you might run into the same issue, but here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33620463/python-linux-manually-installing-httplib2-as-a-non-root-user
[1:17] <Voop> is it because im not root? ive tried it with sudo
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[1:20] <deww> not sure myself. it looks like you may have missing or older versions of some some python packages related to ssl
[1:21] <Voop> ok. thanks
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[1:53] <Voop> yeah this x509 thing is runing my day
[1:54] <Voop> tried
[1:54] <Voop> sudo python -m easy_install --upgrade pyOpenSSL
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[1:55] <Voop> but it keeps coming up with a bunch of crap about how ‘X509_CRL_get_nextUpdate’ is deprecated
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[1:59] <Habbie> that's a great way to ruin your system, Voop
[1:59] <Habbie> don't sudo things unless you are very sure what you are doing
[2:00] <Voop> i sudo everything
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[2:00] <Voop> if i dont it will tell me im not allowed to do the thing
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[2:00] <Habbie> for which there often is a good reason
[2:00] <Habbie> so, what problem are you trying to solve?
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[2:00] <Voop> trying to run something which requires httplib2
[2:01] <Voop> but i cant install that because im missing x509_something
[2:01] <Habbie> httplib2 is in apt
[2:01] <Voop> and there seems to be no way to install that
[2:01] <Habbie> on my raspbian 8
[2:01] <Voop> which means
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[2:02] <Habbie> which means apt-get install python-httplib2 or apt-get install python3-httplib2
[2:02] <Voop> i will copy and paste both of those commands... with sudo!
[2:02] <Habbie> in this case, sudo is right
[2:02] <Habbie> but in general please stop using it unless you are sure
[2:03] <Voop> can i just log in as root instead
[2:03] <Habbie> sure
[2:03] <Habbie> but it's no better than your sudo habit
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[2:04] <Voop> ok both of those things are installed
[2:04] <Voop> lets see if it works
[2:06] <Voop> Habbie: thanks. that error went away
[2:06] <Voop> now i get a new error about a different missing module. yay
[2:06] <Voop> back to sudo
[2:08] <Habbie> no stop
[2:08] <Habbie> stop sudoing
[2:08] <Habbie> i'd use swearwords to make that point if it was allowed here
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[2:09] <Voop> well it said its missing the module 'sleekxmpp'
[2:09] <Habbie> apt-cache search sleekxmpp
[2:09] <Voop> so i did pip install sleekxmpp but get the no attribute x509_up_ref again
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[2:53] <IT_Sean> stiltr: SUDO make sandwich | me
[2:53] <stiltr> = D
[2:55] <stiltr> For anyone that may be confused: https://xkcd.com/149/
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[2:59] * IT_Sean wonders where his sandwich is
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[3:01] <stiltr> ( `^` ))
[3:01] <stiltr> | ||
[3:01] <stiltr> | ||
[3:01] <stiltr> '-----'`
[3:02] <Budgii> anyone know how to use xdrp?
[3:02] <stiltr> Best I could come up with. Haha
[3:02] <Budgii> pretty clever on the bread haha
[3:02] <stiltr> Thanks!
[3:03] <Budgii> all the tutorials i've seen so far are for xdrp access from windows using putty..
[3:03] <stiltr> You mean xrdp?
[3:03] <Budgii> er.. yea :D
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[3:04] <stiltr> I haven't used it, sorry.
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[3:09] <stiltr> I can take a stab at it though.
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[3:10] <Budgii> Basically I downloaded VNC and XRDP in terminal on my RPi. Now I don't know how to connect to it.
[3:10] <Budgii> How to I initiate a connection with my RPi?
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[3:12] <stiltr> have you done a systemctl start xrdp.service?
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[3:13] <Budgii> stiltr, I don't even know what that is :) I just typed systemctl into terminal though and got a lot of text. now what?
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[3:14] <stiltr> Ok, so it looks like it should auto-start the service, so never mind. (systemctl is how you start/stop/mangae services in raspbian)
[3:14] <stiltr> What OS are you connecting from?
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[3:14] <Budgii> gotcha okay. so I am guessing I need to get XRDP on this as well? -- I am on linux
[3:14] <Budgii> All tutorials I find are using windows..putty
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[3:14] <stiltr> No, you only need it on the Pi.
[3:14] <Budgii> okay,
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[3:15] <stiltr> You'll need an rdp client on your linux box though. I use rdesktop personally, but there are probably others.
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[3:30] <Budgii> im in. thanks stilr!
[3:30] <Budgii> stiltr*(
[3:31] <stiltr> Sweet!
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[3:48] <Budgii> hey guys
[3:48] <Budgii> ive got a kit with different length wires, does it matter which ones i use?
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[3:49] <stiltr> Probably not. There could be times when it would matter, but it's unlikely.
[3:50] <Budgii> okay, I didn't think so but I thought i'd ask. i think length is just for what you need, not specific to any type of current or something
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[3:51] <stiltr> Ya, I wouldn't worry about it.
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[3:53] <Budgii> stillr
[3:54] <Budgii> so on my GPIO extention shield, I have a diagram and it shows numbers. does it matter where the numbers are? what I mean is, it shows the top of the "T" shaped GPIO Ext at 1, where mine came plugged in on the other side by the 60s numbers
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[3:55] <stiltr> The numbers on the breadboard? If so, no it doesn't matter. It may be easier to swap it if a tutorial references it though.
[3:56] <Budgii> kinda what I was hoping. I was going to, but it feels stuck in there and dont want to break it haha
[3:57] <stiltr> If you decide to swap it, don't just pry it up from one side. Do a little on one side, then a little on the other, etc. Otherwise you'll bend the pins.
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[3:57] <Budgii> yeah.. those tiny ones that are like 10 pins long and 3 wide, i bent some taking out :p
[3:59] <stiltr> You can just bend them back straight, but it's easier to avoid all together. = )
[3:59] <Voop> still having ssl issues
[4:00] <Voop> anyone know how to fix?
[4:00] <Budgii> I hate to pull on the head of the T, but i think im gonna have to stiltr
[4:00] <Voop> File "build/bdist.linux-armv6l/egg/OpenSSL/SSL.py", line 313, in wrapper
[4:00] <Voop> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'X509_up_ref'
[4:00] <stiltr> Budgii: If you can get a small screwdriver or similar under the board, you can just pry up carefully.
[4:01] <Budgii> got it
[4:01] <Budgii> now getting it back in..
[4:01] <Budgii> should be much easier to follow the schematics now haha
[4:02] <stiltr> Hopefully! Also, if you're not familiar with how breadboards work, check out https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-use-a-breadboard
[4:03] <stiltr> Voop: Is it just an SSL issue with your python code or everywhere?
[4:04] <stiltr> I assume your packages are updated, etc.
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[4:07] <stiltr> Voop: Some people seem to say uninstalling/reinstalling pyOpenSSL and Cryptography fixed a similar issue.
[4:09] <Budgii> so i accidentally got on another schematic and im like what!! this is all wrong, i swore it was in pin 6 haha
[4:09] <stiltr> Haha, been there. = )
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[4:22] <Voop> stiltr: tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the python stuff
[4:22] <Voop> everythings updated, upgraded
[4:22] <Voop> maybe its because im following a tutorial from 2013 and nothing is compatible
[4:23] <stiltr> Hmm. Could be. What is it you're trying to do?
[4:23] <Voop> run a script that requires a bunch of modules
[4:23] <Voop> but pip doesnt want to install them
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[4:23] <stiltr> Like big picture.
[4:24] <kuri0> what would happen if i power using both gpio and usb ?
[4:24] <Voop> i want to trigger a gpio pin to go high
[4:24] <Voop> and i want that pin to run a script that sends an email to a specified address
[4:25] <Voop> i cant write code, so i have to try various already written scripts
[4:25] <Voop> so i have to deal with nothing ever working
[4:25] <Budgii> what happens if I put my LED in backwards? IE, transpose +/-
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[4:26] <NowhereMan> it's a diode....
[4:27] <Budgii> im a newbie here.. that doesnt answer my question :p
[4:27] <Voop> either it will work or it doesnt
[4:27] <stiltr> Budgii: Nothing will happen.
[4:27] <Voop> i never pay attention to polarity
[4:27] <NowhereMan> it actually does
[4:27] <Budgii> stiltr, thanks. Just didnt wanted to break something
[4:27] <NowhereMan> if you dont know what a diode does you might now want to mess with them
[4:27] <Budgii> im sure it does haha NowhereMan
[4:28] <NowhereMan> might not*
[4:28] <Voop> how will he learn if he doesnt mess with them NowhereMan
[4:28] <Voop> reading is boring
[4:28] <Budgii> word Voop..
[4:28] <NowhereMan> reading is fundamental
[4:28] <NowhereMan> heavy on the FUN, Voop
[4:28] <NowhereMan> FUN da MENTAL
[4:28] <Voop> everything i know is self learned through screwing up 100 times before i figure it out
[4:28] <NowhereMan> that's a hard way to go through life
[4:28] <Budgii> im the same way Voop
[4:29] <Voop> like right now, on day 3 of trying to get one script to run
[4:29] <Budgii> lol
[4:29] <Voop> i dont know anything about scripts, python or linux
[4:29] <Voop> but i will learn!
[4:29] <stiltr> Voop: The way I've done that sort of thing in the past is to use sendmail to handle the email bit. Then you don't have to mess with it in your script.
[4:30] <Budgii> does it matter which way the resistors go? I have everything plugged in according to the schematic, but my light isn't turning on. I am doing a button test and the button responds on the screen just not the light.
[4:31] <stiltr> Resistors don't have polarity, so no.
[4:31] <Budgii> okay cool.
[4:32] <Voop> dont they, though?
[4:32] <Voop> i usually just google image the resistor and find a pic that shows which way it goes
[4:33] <stiltr> I think I used a fancy resistor one time that did have polarity, but it's not something you're likely to run into in this sort of thing.
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[4:34] <stiltr> Do you mean like which color band on which side?
[4:34] <Voop> thats what i was assuming was meant
[4:34] <Budgii> actually yeah I think they have to do it by color
[4:35] <stiltr> The color bands just tell the resistance value and the precision. They're read in one direction, but functionally they're exactly the same either way.
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[4:40] <Voop> stiltr: didnt know that
[4:40] <Voop> thought they had polarity
[4:41] <stiltr> Nope! = )
[4:41] <Budgii> cant get the light to come on
[4:41] <Voop> ill be back tomorrow. way past my bedtime
[4:41] <stiltr> G'night Voop!
[4:42] <Budgii> night voop!
[4:42] <stiltr> Budgii: Do you have a link to the circuit you're working on?
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[4:44] <Budgii> yeah
[4:44] <Budgii> sec
[4:45] <Budgii> https://github.com/Freenove/Freenove_Basic_Starter_Kit_for_Raspberry_Pi
[4:45] <Budgii> Tutorial.pdf - page 33
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[4:50] <Budgii> stiltr, here's what i've got plugged in https://imgur.com/a/Nqm33
[4:50] <stiltr> So your program is outputting the correct led on/off messages to go with the button presses, but the LED is always off?
[4:50] <Budgii> yes
[4:50] <Comet> lol thought that said freemason starter kit at first
[4:50] <Budgii> lol
[4:51] <Budgii> on the right side, of the image, kind of hard to see but the top is plugged into 29
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[4:54] <stiltr> So if you temporarily unplug black from row 22, and move yellow from 37 to 22, does the LED light up?
[4:55] <Budgii> yes its lit
[4:55] <Budgii> wow
[4:56] <Budgii> yes
[4:56] <Budgii> so I can rule out my wish that the light bulb was burnt out (lol)
[4:56] <stiltr> Ok, so the setup is good from the resistor down.
[4:56] <stiltr> Ya, sorry. = )
[4:56] <Budgii> ok.. so im going to revert those
[4:57] <stiltr> So if you swap it back, double check your connections from GPIO17 to row 22.
[4:57] <stiltr> row6 -> row22
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[4:58] <Budgii> hmm
[4:58] <Budgii> those are good
[4:59] <Budgii> white, 20 > 27 is good
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[4:59] <Budgii> orange 26 > 31 is good
[4:59] <Budgii> orange 9 > 37 is good
[4:59] <stiltr> Try swapping the black wire out. The rest of the connections are ok, otherwise it wouldn't have lit up.
[5:01] <Budgii> hmm, i swapped it with a red one 6>22 and still same thing
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[5:02] <Budgii> think its anything to do with the resistors?
[5:02] <stiltr> No, the resistor is ok. The LED just isn't getting power from the GPIO pin.
[5:03] <Budgii> Got it
[5:03] <Budgii> the large cable that goes directly to the Pi was not fully connected :D
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[5:04] <stiltr> Ah, good catch! I was typing up a code modification to test a different GPIO pin. haha
[5:04] <stiltr> I should have thought of the connector not being seated... Haha
[5:04] <Budgii> haha, when you said it wasnt getting power I was like HMM..
[5:05] <Budgii> I tried plugging it in twice, it didnt snap the first two times when I pressed hard so I thought that's what it did haha
[5:05] <stiltr> I've not used the expander, but I wouldn't have expected a snap either.
[5:05] * Budgii learned a valuable lesson. MAKE SURE YOUR CRAP IS SEATED, AND WEARS A SEAT BELT!
[5:06] <stiltr> lol
[5:06] <Budgii> :D
[5:06] <Budgii> Thanks for your help, glad we were able to trouble shoot stiltr!
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[5:06] <stiltr> Honestly it's a good lesson to learn with this sort of thing. It's often the stupid stuff that causes the biggest problems. haha
[5:06] <stiltr> Ya, no worries! Glad you're having fun learning this stuff!
[5:07] <Budgii> I was like come on man, you looked at all these pins x5 times and checked the diagram. it has to be the light bulb, please let it be the light bulb. lol
[5:07] <Budgii> thank goodness!
[5:07] <stiltr> Haha, I totally understand. = )
[5:07] <Budgii> It is fun, made the light bulb turning on more rewarding since i have been at it for the last two hours :p
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[5:08] <Budgii> got me more familiar with the hands on, anyway haha!
[5:08] <SpaceAce> hi
[5:08] <stiltr> Ya, it's amazing how satisfying a little blinking LED can be. haha
[5:08] <stiltr> Hi SpaceAce!
[5:08] <SpaceAce> is an old rpi B early model suitable for pi-hole?
[5:09] <SpaceAce> hi stiltr
[5:09] <Budgii> how long do you leave your RPi booted?
[5:09] <Budgii> its been on for 5 hours, not that warm yet. I have a case coming tomorrow and it has a fan so.
[5:09] <SpaceAce> I want to use my old pi B as pihole with DHCP since i can't make changes to my cruddy router's DNS.
[5:09] <SpaceAce> Will i lose any performance by using it for dhcp?
[5:09] <stiltr> SpaceAce: I haven't used pi-hole, but it should be capable.
[5:10] <stiltr> DHCP should be minimal load.
[5:10] <SpaceAce> oh good :)
[5:10] <SpaceAce> i have a new model here but i thought i'd make use of the old one
[5:10] <SpaceAce> wouldn't mind it doing other stuff like torrent client but i think that might be too much load
[5:10] <Budgii> oh hey I've got these little aluminum things that are supposed to attach to the RPi, can't think of what they were called.
[5:10] <stiltr> Budgii: I've got Pi's running for months with no fans.
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[5:10] <Budgii> amazing!
[5:10] <stiltr> Budgii: (Heat sinks)
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[5:11] <Budgii> yes, what do I do with them?
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[5:11] <Goldschlager120> anyone use Jessie pixel?
[5:11] <stiltr> SpaceAce: I'd say just give it a go
[5:11] <stiltr> Budgii: Peel off the stickers on the back and stick them on top of the two chips on your Pi
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[5:11] <stiltr> Budgii: https://techfrag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Raspberry-Pi-3-with-heatsinks.jpg
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[5:12] <stiltr> Goldschlager120: I don't, but I'm sure other people do. Did you have a question about it?
[5:12] <Zardoz> SpaceAce: it will work. used an old piB.
[5:12] <SpaceAce> cheers Zardoz
[5:12] <SpaceAce> what did you run alongside pi-hole?
[5:13] <Zardoz> just load lite
[5:13] <Zardoz> thats all you need anyways
[5:14] <SpaceAce> Raspbian lite?
[5:14] <Goldschlager120> stiltr, can it do internet connection sharing? I tried to update iptables and it told me to update my kernel, but there doesn't seem to be any update for it
[5:14] <Zardoz> yeah
[5:14] <Budgii> Sweeeet thanks stiltr, got them attached!
[5:14] <SpaceAce> i want to use this cheapo 3.5" LCD for it too but i think it needs x11
[5:15] <stiltr> Goldschlager120: You can probably do it through the GUI tools, but I'm not really too familiar with it. Somebody else might have a better idea.
[5:15] <stiltr> Budgii: Nice!
[5:16] <Zardoz> you should be able to use it in lite.
[5:16] <stiltr> SpaceAce: Is it a charater display? If so, you don't need X for that.
[5:16] <Zardoz> just need to set it up.
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[5:17] <Zardoz> https://imgur.com/gallery/v318vT6
[5:18] <Budgii> What does it do, Zardoz?
[5:19] <Zardoz> Network-wide ad blocking
[5:19] <Zardoz> https://pi-hole.net/
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[5:19] <Budgii> amazing
[5:19] <Zardoz> best thing ever made IMO.
[5:20] <Budgii> so it blocks all ads on the network, no matter what device you are on!
[5:20] <Zardoz> yup
[5:20] <Zardoz> DNS level blocking
[5:20] <Budgii> niiice 8)
[5:20] <SpaceAce> And you're using it as the DHCP, Zardoz ?
[5:20] <SpaceAce> I can't change my router settings without custom firmware
[5:20] <Zardoz> no I use my router. but you can it's an option
[5:21] <Zardoz> I have thought about using pi-hole for DNS
[5:21] <Zardoz> re DHCP
[5:22] <SpaceAce> can't imagine there's any downside. it's no less powerful than a consumer router CPI
[5:22] <SpaceAce> *CPU
[5:22] <stiltr> I may give pi-hole a try. Seems like a solid project.
[5:22] <Zardoz> yup
[5:23] <Zardoz> pihole does not do any routing it's just checking DBs are yes no stuff.
[5:23] <Zardoz> so no real hource power is needed.
[5:23] <Zardoz> horse :P
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[5:24] <stiltr> Ya, local DNS servers are generally pretty low in terms of resource comsumption. = )
[5:24] <stiltr> Anyway, I'm off for the night. Catch you all later!
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[5:33] <sharperer_> is there an equilivant to /var/log/secure in raspbian? where is priviledged access logged?
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[8:12] <kuri0> what will happen if i power using both gpio 5v and micro-usb port ?
[8:20] <gordonDrogon> the world will end.
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[8:20] <kuri0> people say not to do it but what will really happen ?
[8:21] <kuri0> like does a fuse blow or could it smoke and maybe even catch fire ?
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> it's one of those "not recommended" things. One power source will be slightly higher than the other which may cause issues.
[8:22] <gordonDrogon> what actually happens depends on the design of the PSUs feeding the 5v into it.
[8:23] <gordonDrogon> so take the easy route and simple don't do it - one or the other, not both.
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[10:07] <akar> /sani
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[10:39] <red9> Does the WiFi on the Pi-Zero work without trouble?
[10:40] <red9> (user experiences, beware(s))
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[10:40] <red9> Setup Pi-Z as client to AP.
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[11:45] <Nauti> Both of my RPis crashes and become unresponsive pretty much every day, sometimes they can last two days without crashing. I'm going mad and do anyone know what could be causing this?
[11:45] <Nauti> One of the Pis are designated for one single purpose and it only has one software running with no real fiddling around
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[11:52] <BurtyB> Nauti, are you using a proper psu?
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> quality power supply, quality SD and if it's a Pi v3 or 3+ then cooling ...
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[12:01] <Nauti> BurtyB: 12 V 5 A -> LM2596 set to 5,1 V directly to GPIO pins
[12:01] <Nauti> Can handle up to 3 A
[12:01] <Nauti> Samsung evo+ 32GB so that shouldn't be an issue either
[12:01] <Nauti> Identical setup on both RPis
[12:02] <Nauti> Both has a heatsink on the CPU but it hasn't been an issue. On the greenhouse unit I'm running a monitoring software that is logging the system and I can see a rise in CPU temperature before the crash
[12:02] <Nauti> So I have the exact time, but the logs hasn't helped me much. But I've just been looking in syslog, daemonlog and the log for the specific software I'm using on it
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[12:04] <Nauti> It's just so confusing. The pi for the home atuomation I just got tired of and put in a cabinet to bring up when I had more motivation and started working on this project. But it just turned out exactly the same
[12:04] <Nauti> So now I got to figure this out
[12:05] <mlelstv> why does it heat up?
[12:05] <Nauti> No idea
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[12:05] <mlelstv> what happens to the lm2596 when it heats up too? :)
[12:06] <Nauti> It shouldn't heat up. There should be nothing causing an increased current draw and that time. It's never been close to pulling the maximum 3 A that the LM2596 can handle and as far as I know the limitation are the schottky diodes
[12:06] <Nauti> But that shouldn't be very relevant. But well I guess I can't rule anything out
[12:07] <Nauti> It's just that I've seen others run this setup without issues
[12:07] <mlelstv> well, if "something" heats up the rpi + psu, it is easy to make it crash.
[12:07] <BurtyB> tbh I'd try with a proper psu as you might not have enough output capacitance on the LM2596 to cope with transient current
[12:08] <erm3nda> 5v? it is not 3,7?
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> an overheating Pi shouldn't crash though - it should just throttle.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> however if it sees a spike in temperature just before the crash, then that may be significant.
[12:14] <Nauti> mlelstv: yes, I just want to know what this something is. I thought it would be easy to find in the logs considering I had the exact time
[12:15] <Nauti> But maybe I don't know how to look for it. Which is why I'm asking around a bit :)
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I'd start by eliminating the power supply, if possible - use a Pi PSU if you can.
[12:16] <Nauti> I don't have a Pi PSU but I got a lab power supply and a bunch of 5 V supplies that should suffice
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> what model Pi?
[12:17] <Nauti> I'll hook up my DPS5020 to my e-bike battery and set it to 5 V x) That one can supply 20 A so then that should definitely not by any means be insufficient for it
[12:17] <Nauti> gordonDrogon: the old raspberry pi 3
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[12:17] <Nauti> So model B I guess I should say
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> just asking as I had a couple of old A+'s which I'd stuck suposedly compatible Wi-Fi dongles into which kept on going offline (although they were still running, just the wi-fi down), I replaced them with the official Pi white dongles and they've not missed a beat since.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> but I guess you're using the on-board wi-fi here.
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[12:18] <Nauti> Yes I am
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[12:19] <Nauti> And it's not just becoming unreachable, it requires a hard restart
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> ok, so even with screen & keyboard - nothing on the screen?
[12:20] <Nauti> I haven't tried but I've set up a GPIO switch that restarts or shuts down, just for such cases and it works when the pi is on, but there's no response whatsoever to GPIO input when it becomes like this
[12:20] <Nauti> The only sign of life is the red power LED
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:21] <Nauti> and the quite warm CPU, but I guess that could be a sign of it being on and occupied by something and completely ignoring everything else
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> how about if you ssh into it, then run a script that prints the date, cpu temp, and some other stats? have it loop and print once a second.
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> just trying to think about remote debugging for stuff that might not appear in the log.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> another ssh in running tail -f /var/log/syslog (or whatever the systemd equivalent is)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> dmesg -w might be handy.
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[12:31] <Nauti> gordonDrogon: to know what? I have the climate monitoring software doing just that. I know the exact time of the crash: https://i.imgur.com/EnhK5gj.png
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[12:32] <Nauti> I see the spike in CPU temperature and then it dies
[12:32] <Nauti> I'll look up those commands
[12:32] <Nauti> I've been checking the logs and nothing caught my eye, I don't know what dmesg does though
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> dmesg -w will give you the system/kernel log as it happens - you might get something that doesn't make it to the filesystem.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> assuming the network stays up long enough to get that message through.
[12:34] <Nauti> But then I would have to have a screen on for the whole time and be connected to it
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[12:34] <Nauti> Maybe I can just write everything to a file
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> you're pretty graph doesn't tell you much about a crash though - that's what I was getting at via the ssh in & run commands to get as much data/logging out as possible via a medium that won't go away on a crash.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> files are buffered usually in 4K chunks - you can potentially lose the last 4K of data.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> however, syslog can force a file flush on every line.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> if you use syslog - I've no idea how systemd handles this stuff.
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[12:39] <mfa298> dmesg -Tw is a slightly nicer variation as it also shows actual time rather than seconds since boot. Although for determining reasons for a crash getting a serial console going and watching that (and ideally logging it) can be more useful as that should log all the crash details.
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[12:42] <Nauti> gordonDrogon: I need to figure out how the logging system works
[12:42] <Nauti> I got no clue
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[12:43] <python476> hey there
[12:43] <python476> anybody with experience in CEC from the rpi to other devices ?
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[12:43] <Nauti> I've disconnected any peripherals right now and turned of the software in question. I'll follow your advice and let it sit for a few days
[12:44] <python476> I have to hdmi devices (bluray player, vhs/dvd combo) without remotes
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[12:44] <python476> before I try to reverse their infrared signals, someone suggested to use CEC
[12:45] <python476> I did turn on/off my tv with the rpi before, but Im curious if people were able to do subtle things like operate menus on players (menu up, menu down, select, etc)
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> I know the Pi can do something with CEC as it recieves CEC stuff from my TV when I use the TV remote.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> however sending CEC magic to a device ... dunno.
[12:46] <python476> gordonDrogon: thanks
[12:46] <python476> I guess i'm on my own now
[12:46] <python476> * heroic look facing protocol dangers *
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> it might be possible - look at how the likes of kodi do it .
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> also look at the LIRC project for IR remote control.
[12:47] <python476> i could harass them too
[12:47] <python476> gordonDrogon: yeah, that's the next chapter on the todolist
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> or go to yournearest pound shop and buy a universal remote control ;-)
[12:47] <python476> even though from the moderate googling I dont think these devices are already supported by lirc which means semi bruteforce
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[12:48] <python476> gordonDrogon: universal remote is the final option
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I quite like having a "proper" TV remote control - even if it is a Pi behind the scenes.
[12:49] <python476> so remote -> lirc/pi -> cec
[12:49] <python476> :p
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> well in my case remote -> tv (and then to Pi)
[12:49] <python476> oh right
[12:50] <python476> wonder why tv brands never settled for a generic set of signals for numbers / volume / arrows
[12:50] <python476> they're affraid people will buy competitors remote -_-
[12:51] <Nauti> How can I make something print only the new lines from dmesg -w to a file?
[12:51] <Nauti> Or is this already logged somewhere?
[12:51] <python476> Nauti: try tee
[12:52] <python476> for instance: dmesg -w | tee /tmp/nauti
[12:53] <Nauti> Does it only write the new input to the file as output to the /tmp/nauti?
[12:53] <Nauti> Then I guess that's exactly what I wanted :)
[12:54] <python476> it 'duplicates' the output of dmesg -w
[12:54] <python476> one copy is fed to the file
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[12:54] <python476> the other to stdout
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> the rason I suggested dmesg -w via remote ssh login is so that you're deliberatley not writing to file
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[12:56] <python476> heh
[12:57] <Nauti> But that means I'd have to have a screen going all day
[12:58] <python476> such is the life of nerds
[12:58] <python476> monitor the monitor :o
[12:59] <Nauti> I did just get a LCD controller board for a good laptop monitor, guess I'll try that one out at the same time
[12:59] <python476> where did you buy it
[13:00] <Nauti> Ebay
[13:00] <Nauti> The screen I got from a guy who spilled coffee into his laptop
[13:00] <python476> I have a bunch of laptop lcd I wanted to do the same to
[13:00] <Nauti> 1920x1280 :)
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[13:00] <python476> once I had to buy a lcd for my mom netbook
[13:00] <python476> the guy sent me the wrong panel
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Nauti, you need stable stuff - like a PC running 24/7 if you want to successfully debug intermittent stuff like this.
[13:01] <python476> 1080p 12"
[13:01] <python476> so sad I had to return it
[13:02] <Nauti> gordonDrogon: yeah I guess I don't have any routine on this. I just unplugged everything, shut of the software running on the pi. I'll hook up a screen as well and have it running to check if this occurs. If nothing happens in 3 days I'll start the software and run it for a few days. If nothing still happens I'll hook up the peripherals and see if they're the issue
[13:02] <Nauti> and I'll be running dmesg and read up on journalctl I guess
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> if you had another Pi then you could use that as the monitor - then ssh into that then ssh that into your remote greenhouse pi. if you use screen or tmux on the home pi then you can disconnect from it if you only have e.g. a laptop.
[13:04] <Nauti> The problem is that both RPis crashes so I wouldn't rely on it x)
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> so a 3rd Pi.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Pi's are generally stable.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ beaky-pi$ uptime
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> 11:04:32 up 7 days, 17:19, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> my bakery Pi - only has 7 days uptime as I had to pull the plug to fit an adapter to power the destructor of insects.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ strowger: uptime
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> 11:05:04 up 109 days, 1:02, 1 user, load average: 0.43, 0.22, 0.20
[13:05] <Nauti> There's a lot of things out there that are generally speaking of good quality that just crumbles the second they're in my hands x)
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> home home PBX Pi.
[13:05] <Nauti> I'm starting to question if there's something I don't know how to use properly of the hardware connected that could be causing issues
[13:05] <Nauti> But I guess time will tell
[13:07] <pksato> kernel debug? send console output to serial and connect a logging device (pc, rpi, arduino, etc). and make kernel verbose consoleblank=0 earlyprintk=ttyS0 console=ttyS0 panic=1 oops=panic panic_on_warn verbose .
[13:08] <Nauti> Arduino with SD card that is or how would it save anything so that it were useful to me+
[13:08] <Nauti> I don't want a 700 W pc to be running all day to monitor, the other RPi isn't very reliable but I got a bunch of Arduinos lying around, no sd card module though
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[13:10] <gordonDrogon> I have a 55w PC running all day. i3/4 core 6GB RAM - it's my workstation for everything I do.
[13:11] <pksato> 700W PC? crypto miner at full power? :)
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> and keeps my toes warm.
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> (She canny take it, captain!)
[13:12] <Nauti> No, it's my gaming PC, but of course it wouldn't pull 700W just monitoring a Pi but it feels like a waste. I'm the kind of person who doesn't leave a 1 W light on if I'm not actively using it :(
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> which is why I suggested a 3rd pi - however budget the cost of that Pi against electrickery for a week or 2 ...
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[13:15] * mlelstv has a 2.5W RPI2 running all day. "it's my workstation for everything I do."
[13:15] <Nauti> I'll just hook up the screen and try that at the same time
[13:15] <Nauti> Yeah but my RPis are just dying so I wouldn't trust them and I can't afford a new one. Never had an income in my life and it makes these things quite an investment :)
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> I tried a Pi for a bit, but there are one or 2 things I'm not too happy with on a Pi as a workstation - one day.
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[13:17] <arsr> I'm gonna try to connect 2 raspberry pi 3 through gpio. I need a connection with less delay as possible is this a good way?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> arsr, ethernet too much delay?
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> what sort of delay are you talking about - and bi-directional, or one way only?
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> ultimately an e.g. 8-bit parallel interface via GPIO is possible - even bi-directional, but you have to make very sure you get the directions right - make both sides outputs and it's escaping black smoke time.
[13:19] <arsr> the internet might not work at all times
[13:19] <arsr> and i need it to be stable
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> you don't need "the internet" to use Ethernet.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> just a local Ethernet switch and 2 cables.
[13:19] <arsr> i didn't thought of that
[13:20] <arsr> that might work
[13:20] <arsr> i was thinking of a "normal" network
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[13:20] <gordonDrogon> that is a normal network.
[13:21] * mlelstv feels that things shifted slightly in the last 30 years..
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> oh wait .. "millenial"... "cloud" ...
[13:21] <arsr> yes what i mean is a general network where other devices might be involved
[13:21] <JimBuntu> gordonDrogon, in this case, let's call it a "fog"
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> JimBuntu, I do like that....
[13:22] <arsr> with a local network between only the devices that i need
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> other devices are OK. LAN is (now) a switched network. Long gone are the days of hubs and co-ax ...
[13:22] <JimBuntu> clouds are distant, fogs are local. Pi <-> Pi LAN it is
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> JimBuntu, I live in Devon.. We have Mizzle here ...
[13:23] <JimBuntu> gordonDrogon, please don't get rid of my 10BASE-2 coax cables
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> burn them!!!
[13:24] * JimBuntu collects terminators... from other peoples networks >:-)
[13:30] <Nauti> My partner says I take up too much space with my projects. I guess shell be happy to come home and see this added to the floor space: https://i.imgur.com/8YtIk2J.jpg
[13:30] <Nauti> But now I'll have that on at least. That battery needed discharging anyway
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> get a bigger house.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> or a more understanding partner ...
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[13:35] <Nauti> It's a one room flat :)
[13:36] <Nauti> She's understanding. She'll just sigh loudly :)
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[13:39] <pi____> heyyo
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[13:45] <JimBuntu> Nauti, explain to her that SHE is one of your projects ;-)
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[13:47] <JimBuntu> Nauti, more importantly, that looks to be some sort of pnuematic control... my interest is piqued.
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[13:51] <sinatrablue> apparently undecorate removes the minimize buttons
[13:52] <sinatrablue> duh
[13:53] <mlelstv> the wonders of a window manager
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[13:56] <Nauti> JimBuntu: why would your interest drop because of that? And no, it's just a watering pump connected to some solenoid valves for watering different plant groups :) It's going to go into a greenhouse eventually
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[13:57] <Nauti> Which is why it's a bit unfortuante having it crash every day since the whole purpose of the project was to make it possible for my father to leave his house for more than one day during summer x)
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[13:57] <lastaid> i am having weird issues with the standard raspbian image. there is a bug, and i think it might be a kernel bug, which corrupts serial port input on large transfers. i was able to test with debian aarch 64, and it does not exhibit this but ( but tons of other bugs, especially with cm3 )
[13:57] <sinatrablue> maybe he needs another pi to ensure it is working correctly
[13:59] <JimBuntu> Nauti, I didn't mean my interest dropped, I meant my interest was raised... now that I hear it's for watering, it's even more raised, but only slightly as I have moved into the kratky method for all but one plant (at least that I care about)
[13:59] <Nauti> Yeah I could do a workaroudn with another RPi that takes over if the first one becomes unresponsive and then resets the first one and that one becomes the backup and they can go back and forth x)
[13:59] <Nauti> JimBuntu: Sorry, I didn't know the word so I used google translate that gave me these synonyms "hurt, wound, offend, injure, flesh, pique" x)
[14:00] <sinatrablue> actually you might be better off with both of them sending the command at the same time rather than having one monitor and then execute, that way there is no lag time in between
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[14:00] <Nauti> Got to google Kratky :)
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[14:01] <Nauti> sinatrablue: lag of that kind isn't an issue :) I only really need to take proper measurements every 30 minutes or so
[14:01] <JimBuntu> Nauti, no worries, I should have said excited, I don't think many use piqued anymore. Kratky is a hydroponic method. I have expanded this and use a large water reservoir for about 12 plants at a time... which allows me to be away for roughly 15 days at a time.
[14:01] <sinatrablue> ah, so its that dire i see
[14:01] <Nauti> So are you using the RPi to monitor and regulate the nutrient solution values?
[14:02] <Nauti> I was thinking about this when I was younger and grew in hydro
[14:02] <Nauti> I did it manually and had a nice setup with my aquarium where I exchanged all the water from the aquarium for the hydro grow and the leftover hydro tank water for my soil grown plants and nothing went to waste
[14:02] <sinatrablue> what kind of sensor are you using to determine the hydration level of the soil?
[14:03] <Nauti> Because the aquarium water proved to be a lot more stable and was able to buffer pH a lot better for some reason I couldn't understand
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[14:03] <JimBuntu> I don't use a Pi at all, I make a concentrate of 5 gallons about every 2 months... make proper solution about once a month and top off the containers once a week... but it can go twice as long before things get serious.
[14:03] <Nauti> sinatrablue: right now some crap China resistive sensor, which I will switch out for two large nail on a set distance later that should last at least half a season or more
[14:04] <Nauti> Capacitive would be best I guess but I don't know how to make them yet and I haven't been fiddling too much with this since I want to get it to work properly first.
[14:04] <JimBuntu> Correction: I don't use a Pi for my plants, of course I use one.
[14:04] <sinatrablue> hmm i wonder if something non-contact would work just as well
[14:04] <Nauti> JimBuntu: Hmm. Sounds too easy :D I had to regulate pH every second day
[14:04] <Nauti> sinatrablue: there are capacitive solutions
[14:05] <Nauti> Or ones that work by weight
[14:05] <Nauti> But theose would have to be adjusted as things start to grow and I don't like that idea
[14:05] <sinatrablue> yeah sounds easy to knock off calibration
[14:05] <Nauti> I think I'll just use large nails that are easily replaced
[14:05] <sinatrablue> you could just schedule it too
[14:06] <sinatrablue> but i guess thats defeats the purpose
[14:06] <JimBuntu> I have also done the aquaponics thing, but I ended up needing more fish than I wanted to care for. I expect I will get back into that in the future though. I had a self-sustaining frog/fish/plant system for about a year before I shut that one down. I will say, it was super-cool to watch the fish become immune to the poisonous frogs over time.
[14:07] <Nauti> Schedule what? The change of sensors? I don't mind that. I mean if you use one of these stupid PCB sensors with a 0,5 mm lead that corrodes within two weeks then you'd have to schedule it but if you use a larger rod that lasts for at least half a season then it's fine. Way less work than watering regularly anyway.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I always fancied a cold water sea aquarium.
[14:07] <Nauti> And you could also change the current all the time so that it doesn't corrode one of the electrodes (is it the anode?) all the time but switches
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> mostly because I used to do a lot of cold water sea diving once upon a time.
[14:08] <sinatrablue> Solid gold electrodes would probably last awhile
[14:08] <sinatrablue> and i meant schedule the watering, instead of measuring
[14:09] <Nauti> JimBuntu: I didn't do aquaponics in that sense. It was just that I had a weekly water change of 10-20 litres going directly to my hydro because that water was for some reason a lot easier to use and had less fluctuating values and then I completely emptied the hydro tank every now and then and watered other things with it. I did add nutrients to the hydro tank
[14:09] <Nauti> JimBuntu: do you have your own plot of land?
[14:09] <tdn> Is there bluetooth receiver in rpi3?
[14:09] <JimBuntu> The pH (and in general) was stable because you had a workforce taking care of that, bacteria and fish combined.
[14:10] <JimBuntu> tdn, yes
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[14:11] <JimBuntu> Nauti, I share it with the wifey, but yeah
[14:11] <Nauti> Yeah I never had that space to work with. I would love to have a place where I would work on larger long term projects
[14:12] <Nauti> I'm moving to a small self-sustainability village soon and moving into my van. That's where the other pi comes into the picture. It'll be home automation and monitor the van and the solar panels when I'm not there so I can keep track of things on a distance :)
[14:12] <Nauti> There I hope to be able to start working on some projects again :)
[14:13] <JimBuntu> Nauti, I have my hydro set up in-doors though. Outside I am using an inexpensive store-bought timer for during the summer months. I badly want to build a greenhouse to see if I can manage with outdoor growing through winter.
[14:13] <Nauti> How much do you grow yourself?
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[14:13] <tdn> JimBuntu, can I use that with a keyboard? And how long a range does it have? Would it be feasibly to use it for a keyboard on a kodi/libreelec HTPC setup where keyboard is about 5 meters from PI?
[14:13] <JimBuntu> tdn, you could use it with a BT KB. I'm not sure about the range, that's going to also depend on the BT KB you select.
[14:14] <sinatrablue> @tdn ill test it right now for you
[14:14] <tdn> sinatrablue, great! Thanks!
[14:14] <Nauti> tdn: it works fine but I've had a lot of issues with autosyncing
[14:14] <Nauti> I had to do it manually every time and that was too much effort for me x)
[14:15] <tdn> JimBuntu, I am looking at something like this: https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Rapoo-E6300-Bluetooth-Ultra-slim-Keyboard-Review_id3602
[14:15] <JimBuntu> Nauti, what you are going to do sounds very cool! I only grow a few things during the winter months, since it's all in-doors. Mainly herbs and tomatoes. Out side during summer I grow a wide variety of things from herbs, to squash, potatoes, a wide variety of tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers... all the things I can ;-)
[14:15] <tdn> JimBuntu, or maybe an Apple Magic Keyboard
[14:16] <JimBuntu> tdn, I have heard good things about the rapoo. If range becomes an issue, it's only like $10 USD to pick up a USB BT Dongle with external antenna
[14:17] <tdn> JimBuntu, on the keyboard? I want the keyboard mainly because it is small and looks nice. A dongle kinda ruins that :/
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[14:17] <JimBuntu> tdn, nah, the dongle would be plugged into your Pi... in case the built-in antenna isn't good enough
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[14:19] <tdn> JimBuntu, oh. I see.
[14:19] <sinatrablue> i just connected my rpi3 to my samsung soundbar downstairs, i would say its got atleast a 10ft range through a wall
[14:19] <tdn> JimBuntu, it's just you said range depended on the keyboard.
[14:19] <sinatrablue> however i attempted to connect my k400 wireless keyboard and it wouldnt connect, as it turns out its not a bluetooth frequency so watchout for that.
[14:19] <tdn> JimBuntu, so Im not sure how adding a dongle in the pi would solve that
[14:20] <tdn> sinatrablue, what does that mean, that it is not a bt freq?
[14:20] <JimBuntu> tdn, the dongle would be a new BT radio with a bigger (better) antenna
[14:20] <tdn> Are there devices that are for BT but use a non BT freq?
[14:21] <sinatrablue> Yes, keyboards, mice all sorts of things use other freq's
[14:21] <JimBuntu> tdn, no, but there are similarly wireless devices that come in BT and non-BT models
[14:21] <sinatrablue> Ah i misread the question
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[14:21] <JimBuntu> I have a wireless KB that comes with a BT dongle that slides out... one model number different and it would have a non-BT USB dongle that slides out.
[14:22] <sinatrablue> You might be best off getting something like a logitec k400
[14:22] <sinatrablue> the range ive had with mine is pretty good, and it includes a touchpad
[14:23] <tdn> sinatrablue, I have a logitech k400 and I think it is big and ugly.
[14:23] <tdn> sinatrablue, so looking to replace that
[14:23] <sinatrablue> i see
[14:24] <sinatrablue> you could use a universal remote and install a photoeye
[14:24] <tdn> sinatrablue, yeah, but if I /can/ use a mini keyboard like the rapoo that would be much easier and better :)
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[14:26] <sinatrablue> actually if you own an xbox you can use a bluetooth xbox controller
[14:27] <sinatrablue> but i dont see any reason why you couldnt use the rapoo
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[14:44] <katnip> http://www.pivpn.io/
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[14:52] <JimBuntu> katnip, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pivpn/pivpn/master/auto_install/install.sh needs updating to include 18.04 ;-)
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[14:58] <katnip> i have no clue how to install that lol
[14:58] <katnip> but it's not on 18.04
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[15:04] <JimBuntu> I would have to verify it all works in 18.04, but I think line 91 needs to have "bionic" added to the list.
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[15:05] <Nauti> JimBuntu: I know what I will interpret the ";-)" as!
[15:10] <Nauti> What would be a better buck converter to use than a LM2596 for the Pi if one can't use a regular AC mains -> 5 V?
[15:10] <Nauti> If it would turn out to be the power supply after all
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[15:46] <katnip> https://github.com/pivpn/pivpn/wiki
[15:46] <katnip> so ill wait
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[16:28] <sharperer_> is there an equilivant to /var/log/secure in raspbian? Or where are priviledged events logged?
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[16:34] <shiftplusone> auth.log?
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[16:36] <sharperer> thanks!
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[16:39] <shiftplusone> np
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[16:46] <Hanonim> hi folks
[16:46] <Hanonim> I've been experimenting with GPIO handling via linux/gpio.h and it looks surprisingly fast
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> Is that the (new?) method for twiddling gpio from userland that's not through sysfs?
[16:49] <Hanonim> indeed
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[16:50] <Hanonim> It relies on ioctl calls
[16:50] <Hanonim> And allow for more, such as driving several pins in one call
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[16:50] <shiftplusone> nice. I suppose an ioctl call will call the function pretty much directly, right?
[16:51] <shiftplusone> probably through a switch statement and a function pointer or two, I guess.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> I guess it still has to go via the kernel, so not quite as fast as poking the hardware, however - 'standard' ?
[16:51] <Hanonim> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTLewJCL1Y
[16:51] <Hanonim> In this talk, the guy says it is fast enough for bit banging
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> sure - but how fast? You've no idea how many people ask me that about wiringPi )-:
[16:52] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: Yes, although I like and use wiringPi, it's nice to have a standard API
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> or use it as a stupid benchmark )-:
[16:53] <Hanonim> Oh and it provides a better support for interrupts
[16:53] <akk> Doesn't "fast enough for bit banging" depend on what you're bit banging? I've done bit-bang SPI from python.
[16:54] <Hanonim> akk: Yes, but it's a way of saying it is fast enough for something that is supposed to be more rigorous
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I know someone who bit-banged I2C from BASIC on the Pi ...
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon> it's going to be hard to get people to switch to that on the Pi though - at least the current generations. Too much legacy in rip.gpio/pigpio/wiringpi and that austrailian one.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I guess something like wiringPi could use that 'under the hood' though.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> but the goodness that e.g. pigpio provides for pwm ,etc. might be interesting.
[17:01] <Hanonim> Well, it is a standard. Specific tasks will always have to be performed by a specialized lib
[17:04] <zleap> if I want to use dd to wipe an sd card I use
[17:04] <zleap> dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/device right (as sudo obviously0
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[17:04] <zleap> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc for example
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[17:08] <larsks> zleap: sure, that will work. Not generally necessary unless you are wiping for security reasons.
[17:09] <zleap> larsks: I want to start over with the sd card so I can write a new pi image to it
[17:09] <larsks> Then you don't need to wipe it first.
[17:09] <larsks> Just write the new image to it.
[17:09] <zleap> i was having issues doing that, so was looking at dd - format to fat32 and install noobs
[17:10] <larsks> THere's also no need to format with fat32.
[17:10] <zleap> however i think my adapter was faulty, i put the sd card in, the micro-sd card then that in to teh usb adapter and linux didn't mount it, so i tried a different micro->sd and it mounted
[17:11] <zleap> i have binned what is possibly a dodgy adapter
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[17:14] <zleap> i am going to dd all 3 of these cards and start over from the same point,
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[17:19] <gordonDrogon> zleap, you need to stop your PC automounting in the first place. all sorts of horribleness can happen
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> e.g. you dd an image, then "eject" the SD and the OS writes back some data over the dd'd image..
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> because it thinks its still mounted.
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[17:42] <Choscura> pazing
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[18:06] <RzR> hi
[18:07] <RzR> is it possible to load i2c module on 1st boot without touching /etc/modules ?
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[18:12] <arsr> is it possible to connect 2 rpi by gpio?
[18:13] <shiftplusone> rzmt: yes, do it properly through config.txt
[18:13] <arsr> one receives the other sends?
[18:13] <shiftplusone> arsr: yes, serial would work nicely for that.
[18:13] <arsr> shiftplusone: thanks
[18:14] <shiftplusone> no worries
[18:14] <shiftplusone> RzR: dtparam=i2c_arm=on in config.txt should do everything
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[18:17] <arsr> what im reading is that is usually usb - i was trying to do this with gpio is it the same?
[18:17] <lastaid> i am trying to talk to an ftdi. installed libftdi1 but my program is still saying it cannot find the lib in searchpath
[18:17] <lastaid> pkg-config --cflags libftdi1
[18:17] <lastaid> gives me an error
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[18:18] <shiftplusone> arsr: raspberry pi has serial on gpio pins, so usb adapter is not required.
[18:18] <lastaid> i am connected to another device which is using the ftdi internally
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[18:19] <shiftplusone> is libftdi1-dev installed?
[18:19] <RzR> shiftplusone, this will only enable device tree no ? i2c-module should be also loaded
[18:20] <shiftplusone> RzR: sec, let me double check. You might be right that i2c-dev isn't loaded automatically. There's a way to do it through cmdline.txt as well
[18:20] <shiftplusone> Yeah, you're right. Sorry
[18:20] <RzR> I've workarounded this like /boot/ssh
[18:21] <shiftplusone> in cmdline.txt modules_load=i2c-dev
[18:21] <RzR> yea could work as well
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> arsr, you asked this earlier - so if Ethernet isn't fast enough for you, then serial will be 100x slower.
[18:22] <RzR> assuming noone defines it
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[18:22] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: oh, it's one of 'those'
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> possibly.
[18:23] <arsr> im not gonna use ethernet
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> ok. serial it is, then.
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[18:24] <arsr> we think that t
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> unless you wan to implement your own bi-directional parallel interface using more gpio pins - it's possible - I've done it, but not trivial.
[18:24] <arsr> ethernet is not exactly what we need
[18:25] <arsr> we need to map at least 5 pins and they will have different code
[18:25] <arsr> so if the pin 21 receives a signal something will happen
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> what does that mean?
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> you want to monitor 5 pins on a remote Pi?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> arsr, hello? can you elaborate?
[18:27] <arsr> kinda, if any of those have a received signal it will trigger a function depending on what pin was triggered
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> right- that part is trivial.
[18:28] <arsr> so if i send a signal from 21 of rpi1 to 5 of rpi2 something will happen
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> at least on the Pi with the pins.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> oh ok - just get a long bit of wire.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> well 2 wires - make sure the 0v/Gnd is connected.
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[18:30] <arsr> what you are saying is to connect rpi1 gnd with rpi2 and another for the 21 and 5?
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it sounds like that's what you want.
[18:30] <r3> dbloigF3GJ7Eys96wIcz
[18:30] <arsr> i'm gonna try thanks
[18:30] <shiftplusone> r3: yes.
[18:30] <r3> agh, sorry about that, let me change that password real quick ;)
[18:31] <shiftplusone> lol
[18:34] <pi__> im trying to use a single rpi 3+ for megasquirt and display kodi as the radio in a car
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[18:46] <RzR> shiftplusone, thx for support i am gone
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[18:49] <shiftplusone> RzR: np. it worked?
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[19:14] <gajus> Hello
[19:14] <gajus> I would like to build a very small people counter for location analytics
[19:15] <gajus> can anyone suggest the best stack for something like this
[19:15] <gajus> ?
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[19:15] <summakor> Hello.
[19:15] <gajus> I would want to use IR/ whatever else to detect someone passing the device, battery to make it work for at least 12 hours and some sort of memory device to keep track of the count
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> gajus, stack? I wrote a counter for bees going in & out of a hive once - I used a bbc micro and it was in assembler... to count people with a Pi? 5 lines of BASIC with a beam sensor or pressure mat.
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> probably cheaper to employ a person with a click counter and paper & pencil though.
[19:18] <methuzla> gajus, a pi may be overkill for this, esp. since you want 12 hours of battery run time
[19:19] <gajus> gordonDrogon: yeah, but I want to do it over a longer time
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> a pi zero will run for 7 hours flat-out on a 2000mAh LiPo
[19:19] <gajus> methuzla: well, if you have suggestions for something smaller.. ?
[19:19] <methuzla> does it need to send the data out to anything? like wifi? or just store it locally?
[19:19] <gajus> just store it locally
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> so 5 lines of basic it is, then.
[19:20] <gajus> wifi would be perfect.. but I am assuming that would kill the battery
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> even a bash script.
[19:20] <gajus> gordonDrogon: I am not worried about programming bit
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> oh, that 7 hours - the wi-fi was running.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> gajus, then why ask "what stack".
[19:20] <methuzla> i'd got with some low end arduino, store the value in eeprom
[19:21] <gajus> gordonDrogon: sorry, not familiar with the terminology in rpi community. "stack" to me is like – what hardware pieces do I need to put together to make this.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> it's not the pi community - most people will think software stack - then pull in huge resources just to add 1 to a number )-:
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> people counting - issues - counting 2 at once - that's easy to solve if you can funnel them through a turnstyle.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> if it's a wide gateway then it's harder.
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[19:22] <Choscura> eh? somebody counting people with a pi?
[19:24] <gajus> Okay. Maybe let me put out what I am trying to do and then if you still don't decide to kick me out of the channel, you can suggest what tech is the best to do it.
[19:24] <methuzla> gajus, check out the adafruit feathers, good because they have built in battery chargers
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> but if you want to use a Pi, use a pi zero.
[19:24] <arsr> gordonDrogon: it worked thank you
[19:24] <gajus> My company uses publicly available data sources to collect data about cinemas. Our algorithms are able to estimate with a very good accuracy how many tickets each venue have sold. However, estimate is the keyword here.
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[19:25] <gajus> I want to place some people trackers along some random cinema venues to evaluate our algorithm accuracy.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> oh this stuff- I don't get it. you want to know how many tickets sold, you ask the cinema - they give you an exact answer.
[19:25] <gajus> Cinemas might not necessarily be on board with this stuff.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> not surprising.
[19:25] <gajus> gordonDrogon: oh, trust me... cinemas will not give you that number. :-)
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[19:26] <IT_Sean> Yeah... If I caught you putting people counting equipment on my property, without my permission, I'd beat you with a rubber hose.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> unless you can funnel the people through a 1-person wide gap, then it's hard.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> you're into machine vision territory then.
[19:26] <methuzla> gajus, so you're wanting something to provide actual data to vet out your algorithm?
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[19:27] <gajus> gordonDrogon: well, it would be extremely easy to do it with a camera. Simple facial detection to distinguish new faces across the day.
[19:27] <gajus> But camera is a lot more intrusive.
[19:27] <gajus> methuzla: yup, basically that.
[19:27] <methuzla> then what i said above
[19:27] <gajus> Thank you. Researching now.
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> the feather boards are nice - I use them myself.
[19:28] <Choscura> gajus, if it was me doing that, I'd put the camera up high somewhere and count bodies, not faces, but 'faces in shot' would be a less-exact but still usable metric too
[19:29] <gajus> The other alternative would be to hire an intern to hang around with a camera. But that would get noticed real quick.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> but you're going to be limited in what you can use them with - simple beam breaks, floor mats, proximity sensors ...
[19:29] <Choscura> recognizing bodies by face is a good idea, but it's only one of a spectrum of ways to do that, and not everybody faces the camera
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> hire an intern to simply count them with a hand-held clicker.
[19:29] <methuzla> gajus, i'm assuming you're ok with it being as simple as an IR break beam for the sensor
[19:29] <Choscura> gordonDrogon, no, I'm saying, recognizing image phenomena, not other sensors
[19:29] <Choscura> there's plenty of CV stuff out there that runs on pi
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> Choscura, don't tell me - tell gajus
[19:30] <Choscura> opencv, tensorflow, etc
[19:30] <Choscura> either way, lol
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> who has already suggested that cameras are too intrusive.
[19:30] <Choscura> eh, that's negotiable
[19:30] <Choscura> a camera not sensitive enough to recognize people can still recognize if there *are* people
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> not on private land, it's not.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> all sorts of privacy concerns on public land too - depending on the country, of-course.
[19:31] <Choscura> well, telephoto lens from private land nearby, then
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[19:32] <Choscura> you *can* make it so it is not *ever* identifiable information (the stuff that invades privacy, whatever that is), it's a bit of work, but it's totally doable
[19:32] <Choscura> I mean, you could put a normal unmodified camera behind frosted glass
[19:32] <Choscura> it's not going to see the faces, it's just going to see moving blobs
[19:32] <Choscura> but that's basically what you want
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[19:38] <methuzla> does the lightning bolt under voltage come from the GPU firmware? (like the rainbow splash screen)
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I think so.
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[19:45] <skurksimon> hey guys, i was looking to back up/clone my RPi, but when I connect the sd card to my windows pc 4 usb devices show up lol which one should i choose to make the image of? I get one called RECOVERY, one called boot, and 2 without names which i'll have to format to open
[19:46] <Choscura> oh, good question! anyone?
[19:46] <Choscura> I kinda want to know about this too
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> there is a tool to use that will copy the entire SD. name forgotten as I don't use Win. Starts with E.. hang on..
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Etcher
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> use that.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> skurksimon, you're seeing 4 partitions - you want to try to stop it trying to automount, if possible, then use etcher to take a copy.
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[19:49] <methuzla> gordonDrogon, thanks. that was my understanding as well.
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[20:15] <Farioko> Hello!
[20:15] <Farioko> I'm having a weird issue.
[20:16] <Farioko> I have a 64GB usb stick installed in my raspberry pi. But now when I'm transferring files to it, it freezes the whole raspberry pi.
[20:16] <Farioko> Also, when I plug it in it rebooted and did not boot?
[20:16] <Farioko> It booted again when I removed the usb stick.
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> what Pi and what power supply do you have?
[20:19] <Farioko> Model B
[20:19] <Farioko> The one with 512 MB RAM
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> version 1?
[20:20] <Farioko> Yes, the first Pi
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> it's possibly the power - either to the usb stick or the pi or both.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> do you have a powered hub you can use?
[20:20] <skurksimon> got the backup working, I ended up just selecting the boot partition in Win32 disk imager and it figured out the rest by itself
[20:20] <Farioko> gordonDrogon: I don't.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> Farioko, that would be my first port of call though.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> maybe see if you know someone with one you can borrow, etc.
[20:21] <Farioko> gordonDrogon: Hm, I have had the USB stick installed for a while with no problems.
[20:22] <Farioko> gordonDrogon: Tried NFS with the async option and afterwards, I started having trouble
[20:22] <Farioko> gordonDrogon: I changed it back to sync and it also freezes using sftp.
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[20:24] <Farioko> gordonDrogon: Raspberry Pi is always so unstable :/
[20:24] <Tenkawa> Farioko: what?
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[20:26] <Farioko> Tenkawa: Maybe not the board itself, but the SD card, power supply etc is very prone to error
[20:27] <Tenkawa> well those are up to the buyer to buy what they want to use
[20:28] <Tenkawa> the ones I have bought work great
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[20:31] <summakor> Has anyone gotten a Pi Zero W to treat the USB port as Ethernet? I'd like to have both WiFi and Ethernet without some extra dongle
[20:32] <summakor> I keep following the instructions that supposedly work for the Zero but they don't seem to work for Zero W.
[20:32] <red9> I have seen it work in the flesh. So yeah it can be done..
[20:32] <Tenkawa> same here
[20:33] <Tenkawa> I use it in places where the networks are isolated
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[20:34] <summakor> So did the modifications to cmdline.txt and config.txt but my laptop (Ubuntu) doesn't see any new network when I plug it in.
[20:35] <xerox123> any chance that there will be an ubuntu 18.04LTS for rpi3?
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[20:39] <Ferix> Heya. Is this the right place to ask annoying rpi questions, or is it more meant for chatting about the rpi and less for support/help? :)
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[20:40] <summakor> Chatting is free, annoying questions $1.
[20:41] <IT_Sean> Ferix: don't ask to ask. Just ask.
[20:42] <BCMM> Ferix: to clarify the above: yeah, it's totally the right place for questions. go ahead.
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[20:45] <Ferix> Haha alright. I got a monitor that I want to connect to an Rpi 3. So far so easy, the problem is, the monitor is an old Apple Studio 17 inch LCD screen. It has a DVI connector, so DVI <-> HDMI and good to go, sadly not. The screen seems horribly picky about the resolution and settings. It works on my desktop PC (gtx1060 as GPU) at 60.02Hz. There are 2 options for 60.02Hz in the Nvidia control panel, one works, one gives me a blank screen.
[20:45] <Ferix> The RPI just gives a blank screen sadly enough.
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[20:47] <Ferix> After using this forum post: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24679 I used the settings "hdmi_cvt=1280 1024 5 60.02 0 0 1" and I get some images, but absolutely not correct, sorta like it tries to fit 3 desktops in the screen, with a lot of glitching (I can post a picture if that helps)
[20:48] <Ferix> So my question is, is there any way to get the exact display settings that work on my Linux PC (margins, interface, rb, framerate and pixel clock I guess) so I can set them in the rpi using that hdmi_cvt option?
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[20:52] <BCMM> Ferix: is this monitor actually digital?
[20:53] <BCMM> DVI is a weird connector which can carry both digital signals (basically same protocol as hdmi) and analogue (same protocol as VGA D-SUB connector)
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[20:53] <Ferix> Yes, as it works using HDMI on my PC and laptop.
[20:53] <BCMM> ah, ok
[20:54] <BCMM> sorry i missed the bit where you got some picture out of it
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[20:55] <pksato> Ferix: on pc, the get correct name/model of monitor, or listed as generic?
[20:55] <BCMM> have you tried hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=35?
[20:57] <Ferix> pksato: Yeah, NVIDIA(GPU-0): Apple Studio Display (DFP-1): connected it says in the xorg log
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[20:58] <pksato> ok, EDID working.
[20:59] <red9> Ferix, Even experts needs chatting to recharge. After all the support here is free..
[20:59] <Ferix> And just checked, hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode_35 gives me nothing, black screen.
[21:00] <Ferix> mode 35: 1280x1024 @ 60Hz 5:4, clock:108MHz progressive gives me a black screen, mode 87: 1280x1024 @ 60Hz 16:9, clock:109MHz progressive gives me glitchy screen. All other modes, black screen as well, checked all of them earlier this evening.
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[21:02] <red9> One approach would be to test each parameter for it's limits one by one. Say first vertical, then horizontal, then pixel clock, borders, overscan etc.. After that hit for the middle?
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[21:03] <pksato> Ferix: try boosting hdmi signal, config_hdmi_boost=[0 to 11]
[21:03] <Ferix> already at 11 I'm afraid :)
[21:03] <Ferix> As I assume 11 is the most?
[21:04] <pksato> yes.
[21:04] <pksato> or low value <5
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[21:06] <IT_Sean> Why are you turning it up to 11 right away?
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[21:06] <red9> Btw, HDMI is purely digital asfaik. So any connection to DVI will be using the digital part without exception.
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[21:09] <Ferix> both 1, 6 and 11 do the same for hdmi_boost
[21:10] <pksato> have image on hdmi_safe ?
[21:11] <Ferix> hdmi safe has no image
[21:11] <red9> That was safety.. ;)
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[21:12] <Ferix> now trying some refreshrate limits, see if that magicly fixes it
[21:12] <pksato> Ferix: have a remote (ssh) access ?
[21:13] <Ferix> Yeah, it's in my wifi network, thanks rpi3 for having wifi onboard :D
[21:14] <pksato> use tvservice to get/set some clue.
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[21:49] <Voop> anyone wanna walk me through a tutorial on installing python stuff?
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[21:51] <Voop> ill put up a reward of one SD card
[21:52] <BCMM> Voop: i take it this is stuff that you can't just `apt install`?
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[21:56] <Voop> BCMM: it is, but i guess the tut is old or something, things are different, there are errors with the python stuff
[21:56] <Voop> and it gives errors
[21:57] <Voop> the issue is i am a nub and have zero clue how to troubleshoot the errors
[21:57] <BCMM> Voop: can you put the errors up on a pastebin?
[21:58] <Voop> here is the one i get when trying to pip install anything related to python
[21:58] <Voop> https://pastebin.com/dV3xkTQz
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[22:09] <Voop> BCMM: should i just set the pi on fire
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[22:12] <BCMM> Voop: what tutorial are you using?
[22:13] <BCMM> Voop: did you apt install python-pip? or did you try to install pip some other way?
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[22:18] <BCMM> Voop: well, i'm afk now. but if you did get-pip.py, have a look at the big colourful warning on https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/installing/, and do `sudo apt install python-pip` instead
[22:19] <Voop> i have pip installed
[22:19] <Voop> python and python2
[22:19] <Voop> and i think python3
[22:20] <BurtyB> Voop, does https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=204149 help?
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[22:23] <Voop> BurtyB: unable to locate package python-pip and python-dev
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[22:26] <BurtyB> Voop, I was more thinking the upgrade to cryptography part since its X509... in the error
[22:27] <Voop> tried that
[22:27] <Voop> it says i have the currentest version
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[22:30] <Voop> BurtyB: well if i install it like that i get
[22:30] <Voop> https://pastebin.com/8j6g8aWC
[22:30] <Voop> the guy in that post says it needs those other things to work, but i get 'unable to locate' on those things too
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[22:36] <stiltr> Hey Voop!
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[22:39] <Voop> hey stiltr
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[22:40] <stiltr> Like I said before, you may have better luck using sendmail to handle the email portion. Makes the script a lot simpler from my experience.
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[22:41] <Voop> im not writing a script
[22:41] <Voop> im borrowing a script
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[22:42] <stiltr> Well, all your script would have to do is watch your GPIO pin and run a command. It would likely be easier than trying to get the other one to work.
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[22:42] <JohnyTheSmith> Hi
[22:42] <Voop> the script im trying to get working is pretty cool btw, pretty much allows you to email/sms/tweet at the closing of a switch
[22:43] <Voop> https://www.richlynch.com/2013/07/27/pi_garage_alert_1/
[22:43] <stiltr> If you want to get that one working, by all means, don't let me stop you. = )
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[22:46] <JohnyTheSmith> Okay im having a problem with services. I want a daemon - the ipfs daemon - to run all the time. It does crash after a while, appearently its suffering from memory overflow or something. Im not incredibly familiar with services but thats besides the problem. The problem is, if i type "ipfs daemon" it just starts the daemon - regardless of where im typing it even - whereas creating a service
[22:46] <JohnyTheSmith> which should do the same leads for some reason to the daemon being unable to find its own installation/repo.
[22:46] <stiltr> Voop: Wow, he's got a lot of different services supported there. haha
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[22:47] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: So when started as a service, it can't find it's config path?
[22:48] <Voop> stiltr: only one missing is the dominos API so i can have pizza every time the relay closes
[22:48] <stiltr> Pretty much! haha
[22:48] <JohnyTheSmith> stiltr appearently. well, in this case its actualy a filestorage.
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[22:49] <JohnyTheSmith> but thats besides the point, it fails to find how its set up to do things
[22:49] <BurtyB> Voop, :/
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[22:50] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: Can you set the IPFS_PATH variable in your service file?
[22:50] <Voop> is there a way to bring raspbian back to stock without reinstalling the whole os
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[22:51] <Voop> a sudo undo everything i messed up command
[22:51] <leftyfb> Voop: no
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[22:53] <stiltr> JohnyTheSmith: When you run it on your own (not as a service) which user are you running it as and is that different from the user the service is using?
[22:55] <JohnyTheSmith> stiltr oh yes it is
[22:55] <JohnyTheSmith> appearently the service runs it as root rather than pi
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[22:56] <stiltr> Ya, services run as root by default. So if the default path is ~/.ipfs that will be interpretted as /root/.ipfs/ rather than /home/pi/.ipfs/
[22:59] <JohnyTheSmith> well... there is a line in this about EnviromentFile and Enviroment - doesnt seem to care about that...
[22:59] <JohnyTheSmith> can i run a service as anything other than root?
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[23:00] <stiltr> You can. Sort of. Basically you start off as root and then start the program itself as another user.
[23:02] <JohnyTheSmith> ok, that helps
[23:02] <stiltr> Actually it looks like systemd has what's called a user service. That might be more what you're looking for. (I'm not familar with IPFS, so I'm not sure what your use case is)
[23:03] <stiltr> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IPFS#Using_a_service_to_start_the_daemon
[23:04] <JohnyTheSmith> Great. thanks stiltr
[23:04] <stiltr> No problem
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[23:07] <Voop> stiltr: reinstalled raspbian lite. attempt 2
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[23:07] <stiltr> Good luck!
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[23:08] <stiltr> If you're still set on that script, you can always create an issue on the github repo. The owner might be able to provide some insight we can't.
[23:08] <segwent> hi .. i have a question about emulating rpi with qemu .. i don't need any help with that .. all i would like to know is, if the "qemu version of rpi" (if there is such a thing) would be nobled in some ways
[23:08] <Voop> he posted on the article 3 months ago
[23:08] <Voop> so i guess it worked then
[23:09] <trinque> anyone point me in the right direction getting wifi working on a custom kernel on the 3B+? firmware's loaded, no complaints in dmesg, can scan and see networks, regdom is set to US via cmdline.txt, cannot connect to any networks
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[23:10] <stiltr> segwent: So you're asking about a qemu chroot kind of setup? Obviously the hardware isn't there, but other than that it should be fine.
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[23:10] * trinque got firmware from https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware-nonfree/tree/master/brcm
[23:11] <stiltr> trinque: What are you using to connect to the networks?
[23:11] <trinque> wpa_supplicant, on an image that works on the last hardware rev
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[23:11] <trinque> using `iwlist wlan0 scan` to scan, which can see every 2.4 and 5 ghz net around.
[23:12] <stiltr> have you used wpa_cli?
[23:12] <segwent> stiltr: hi thanks .. it seems to work except for one thing .. i cannot get /dev/net/tun to work with openvpn
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[23:13] <stiltr> So either /dev won't exist or it's from your host machine. I'm not entirely sure how that would work, but maybe you just don't have the tap/tun module on your host kernel?
[23:14] <segwent> stiltr: yeah .. that sounds about right ..ok
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[23:15] <trinque> stiltr: interesting, scanning in there returns zilch
[23:16] <stiltr> trinque: make sure you're set to wlan0 not p2pwlan0 or whatever it defaults to
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[23:17] <trinque> stiltr: ah yeah, derp. found networks now
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[23:17] <trinque> but enable_network 0 isn't doing anything
[23:18] <trinque> no barfs in dmesg either, about it
[23:18] <stiltr> What does status show in wpa_cli?
[23:19] <stiltr> You don't have to post it, basically just check for anything odd.
[23:19] <trinque> wpa_state=INACTIVE
[23:19] <trinque> and various addresses and a uuid
[23:20] <stiltr> Did you just add a new network to the .conf file?
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[23:21] <stiltr> I usually have to run reconfigure for it to connect properly.
[23:21] <stiltr> (The first time)
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[23:23] <trinque> did that, did enable_network 0, nada, hasn't even set the ssid on the interface
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[23:24] <stiltr> Your network show up under list_networks, right?
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[23:26] <trinque> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2453 << interesting
[23:26] <trinque> stiltr: yeah, nets on both bands show in a scan
[23:27] <stiltr> list_networks shows your configured networks.
[23:27] <stiltr> brb
[23:27] <trinque> ah, yeah, the configured net is in there
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[23:32] <Voop> E: Unable to locate package libssl-dev
[23:32] <Voop> i think i need this
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[23:37] <Voop> anyone know what libssl-dev and libssl-doc are. and how to get them
[23:37] <stiltr> Voop: sudo apt install libssl-dev
[23:38] <stiltr> trinque: Do you have a /var/log/wpa_supplicant* file?
[23:38] <Voop> same error. unable to locate
[23:41] <segwent> Just posting this in case someone can point me 2 .. the error is : libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.10.25/modules.dep.bin' .. just in case ;)
[23:42] <stiltr> Are you trying to load a kernel module from your chroot?
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[23:44] <segwent> stiltr: well .. maybe it is trying to load the tun device ?
[23:44] <stiltr> Oh, that's when you try to run openvpn?
[23:44] <segwent> no that is during boot
[23:45] <stiltr> Oh you're doing it in a VM?
[23:45] <segwent> yeah .. qemu
[23:46] <stiltr> Oh ok. Sorry, I thought you were doing it in a chroot. I haven't tried doing it the standard way.
[23:46] <segwent> with 2015-05-05-raspian-wheezy.img
[23:46] <segwent> i updated that with sudo apt-get update/grade
[23:47] <trinque> oh man. it was the router!
[23:47] <stiltr> trinque: Shoot!
[23:47] <trinque> hey at least now I know. was going crazy over here
[23:47] <trinque> appreciate your help
[23:47] <stiltr> No worries. Glad you figured it out.
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[23:49] <stiltr> segwent: what does sudo depmod do?
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[23:51] <segwent> stiltr: that's the one .. FATAL: could not search mods etc ..
[23:51] <segwent> and looking i find there is a serious problem
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[23:52] <stiltr> Have you done a kernel upgrade without rebooting by chance?
[23:53] <red9> segwent, What parameters do you use to initiate Qemu?
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[23:58] <segwent> red9: that is: qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu 1176 -m 256 -serial stdio -kernel kernel-gemu-3.10.25-wheezy -append "root=dev/sda2 panic=1 rootfstype=ext4 rw" -drive "file=2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezt.img,index=0,media=disk,format=raw" -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222:22
[23:58] <segwent> sorry for the dlay
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[23:59] <segwent> there is one thing :

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