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IRC Log for 2018-04-12

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[0:00] <segwent> hold on .. troube a foot
[0:01] <red9> segwent, How do you emulate the GPIO interface?
[0:02] <segwent> sorry .. it's all crashed ..
[0:02] <red9> ?
[0:02] <segwent> as to GPIO interface .. i do not know
[0:03] <stiltr> Just a shot in the dark, but is there a kernel version mismatch going on?
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[0:04] <segwent> stiltr: possibly
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[0:05] <segwent> however, this particular problem with depmod has been consistent thoughout all versions ..
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[0:05] <red9> Should one need to specify kernel to start the emulator?
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[0:07] <red9> Let's test some emulation.. ;)
[0:07] <segwent> red9: if you refer to the name of -kernel in that command it is the file as named from here : https://github.com/dhruvvyas90/qemu-rpi-kernel
[0:08] <segwent> just so you also fully understand .. this is qemu "on Windows" so it is bound to have problems .. i should try it first on linux (again)
[0:10] <red9> "Go through wiki page for step by step guide how to emulate Raspberry Pi on Qemu" url?
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[0:10] <segwent> yeah that one
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[0:10] <segwent> don't worry about it .. i just was curious
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[0:11] <segwent> i'll probably buy a real one soon ..
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[0:12] <segwent> and there is definitely a kernel mismatch going on .. now that i can read the disc properly again ..
[0:12] <segwent> 3.x vs 4.x
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[0:13] <stiltr> Sounds about right. = )
[0:13] <segwent> yup *-)
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[0:15] <red9> What do you put up to respond to "hostfwd=tcp::2222:22" ?
[0:17] <red9> ah!
[0:17] <segwent> is that "ah" good or bad ?
[0:18] <red9> found answer ;)
[0:18] <segwent> okdokey
[0:19] <red9> How did you conclude that "-M versatilepb -cpu 1176" is the best match?
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[0:20] <segwent> that is the only one i have ever seen used/documentd
[0:21] <red9> Any specific target Pi-1 2 3 or Z ?
[0:21] <red9> or even CM
[0:22] <segwent> remember this is qemu on windows .. so pushing it will eventually bsod or something
[0:22] <red9> ohwell Windows(tm) ;)
[0:22] <segwent> u know it ;)
[0:23] <red9> I know why Unix have so high uptime. Micro$$oft have patented operating system crashing and defends this position fiercly ;-)
[0:23] <segwent> lol
[0:24] <segwent> it's just like plumbing
[0:26] <red9> How does plumbing associate with computer stability? ;)
[0:26] <shbrngdo> Microsoft(R) Crash(tm) Microsoft(R) BlueScreenOfDeath(tm)
[0:26] <shbrngdo> red9 - when your plumbing sprays water all over your laptop and ruins the motherboard, well...
[0:26] <shbrngdo> except in my case it was a roof leak
[0:26] <red9> Can't crash without a M$ license. So make sure you run unlicensed ;)
[0:27] <red9> I actually hade one of my cooling setup spray the graphics card while it was powered ;)
[0:27] <shbrngdo> yeah cracked versions of windows won't BSOD nor crash. heh.
[0:27] <segwent> https://xkcd.com/1938/
[0:30] <red9> qemu-system-arm: -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222:22: invalid host forwarding rule 'tcp::2222:22'
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[0:31] <red9> I'll suspect the "tcp::2222:22" is malformed somehow.
[0:32] <segwent> red9: that maybe an older version of -arm .. i think it is either a new addition or only in the win version
[0:33] <stiltr> hostfwd=hostip:hostport-guestip:guestport
[0:33] <red9> it's in the linux manpage with similar syntax so..
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[0:33] <segwent> the official docs list that option under (but not a part of) -i386
[0:34] <segwent> it's confusing ..
[0:34] <segwent> some versions just end with no innfo at all
[0:34] <red9> Now it started but only with a black screen and then coredump ;)
[0:34] <stiltr> I suspect adding a "-" after 2222 would fix it, but I'm just guessing.
[0:35] <segwent> let me check my line for typos
[0:35] <red9> qemu-system-arm: -net user,hostfwd=127.0.0.1:127.0.0.1:22: Device 'user' could not be initialized
[0:35] <red9> btw, -cpu 1176 must be substituted with -cpu arm1176
[0:35] <segwent> cool thanks .. i'll check that
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[0:36] <segwent> and my comamnd line above did have that typo
[0:36] <red9> I ditched the -kernel and -append options. If the bare metal can boot from the .img file right of. Then the emulator should be able to do the same.
[0:36] <segwent> i have no copy paste
[0:36] <red9> try, see & type ;)
[0:37] <stiltr> Ah ok. = )
[0:37] <segwent> LOL .. and Mr. Cock-up
[0:38] <segwent> red9: i presume you are using linux as qemu host ?
[0:38] <red9> yes
[0:38] <segwent> ok
[0:38] <red9> ditched network now to get on with it.
[0:39] <red9> (-net nic -net user,hostfwd=127.0.0.1:127.0.0.1:22)
[0:39] <Voop> stiltr: dont want to jinx it but its working way better this time around
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[0:41] <red9> Where does the Pi store the code to boot/read FAT32 ?
[0:42] <Voop> in the system32 file
[0:42] <red9> Seems the Qemu won't boot from the file that is used to initialise Pi boot media.
[0:43] <stiltr> Voop: Cool!
[0:43] <red9> But to read a file, the system need to know how to read a filesystem.. And read a flashdisc, and load code from it..
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[0:43] <Voop> i think the issue may have been i didnt apt-get update before i started installing python
[0:44] <Voop> or maybe not, but python isnt giving me problems
[0:44] <stiltr> Voop: Ah, that could cause problems.
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[0:45] <stiltr> red9: Maybe that's why you need the -kernel options.
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[0:46] <red9> I'll guess so.
[0:47] <red9> The init image must have some FAT32 + ext filesystem concatenated. Also it runs some resizing software at first boot.
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[0:48] <segwent> red9: it is quite scrict as to how it will work .. you need the .img and -kernel files
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[0:49] <segwent> outside of that .. many other sites advise against upgrading
[0:49] <segwent> the software i mean
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[0:52] <segwent> pu it this way: i don't know how qemu does what it does and then on windows! ,, so, i think the point is " it will work on a real one" .. that is the gist of why i asked here
[0:52] <Voop> stiltr: it works!
[0:52] <Voop> only took 3 days
[0:53] <stiltr> Voop: Sweet! Congrats!
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[0:54] <stiltr> red9: I think on the actual board, the SoC FW handles the fat access.
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[0:56] <segwent> thanks for your time .. idle for now
[0:56] <stiltr> Yup! Catch you later
[0:56] <red9> stiltr, Must be.
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[0:59] <red9> stiltr, I recall a ADSL modem that had a booted from a SPI EEPROM (I think it was SPI). It confused me.. Then I read that ARM CPUs have a builtin ROM on ~2 kByte that enables such bootstrap..
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[1:00] <red9> So the bare metal Pi most likely have something similar forthe flashcard that uses 4-line SD interface or MMC. Ie not address+data line interface.
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[1:02] <shbrngdo> SD cards and MMC can use an SPI interface, or they can use the 'MMC' [I think that's right] interface, which is a bit more complicated and requires a license of a patent or something [I think]
[1:03] <shbrngdo> I use the SPI interface a lot with microcontrollers. they typically do FAT32 but no long names
[1:03] <shbrngdo> RPi's FAT32 partition supports long file names (pretty sure) but I'm not 100% sure that config.txt entries will respect them...
[1:03] <shbrngdo> I suppose the loader would need to have an 8.3 name that's consistent for config.txt
[1:04] <shbrngdo> once the bootcode.bin file loads, it could have anything in it
[1:04] <shbrngdo> or maybe it's the bootcode.bin file that checks for config.txt and reads it - it's all closed source, a bit confusing at times
[1:04] <shbrngdo> anyway at least you don't have to make it the first file on the image...
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[1:11] <segwent> red9: that is: qemu-system-arm (all the other bits) -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22 (extra dash)
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[1:16] <red9> segwent, any idea on how to extract the ext-fs part from the boot image?
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[1:18] <red9> hmm come to think of it, interpretate FAT32 volume size -> forward, then identify ext4-fs header.
[1:18] <red9> In other news. FAT32 on ARM .. that filesystem certainly have outlived itself and any grace.
[1:19] <segwent> that bad huh ?
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[1:20] <segwent> red9: maybe you can dd it out as a loop device
[1:21] <segwent> sounds complicated and futile now ;)
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[1:24] <red9> why futile?
[1:24] <red9> btw, any idea on where to fetch the bootcode that grabs the boot images from the FAT32 volume on a real Pi ?
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[1:25] <segwent> futile "now" .. maybe tomorrow
[1:26] <segwent> boot images .. i think you need hardware .. so not on my list
[1:28] <segwent> of course .. and again .. i suspect that if you have a real pi then things are a lot clearer :)
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[1:57] <Voop> if im installing some old stuff made for the pi1 on a pi zero
[1:57] <Voop> and it says bla bla bla gpio pin 22
[1:57] <Voop> would it also be pin 22 on the zero
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[3:24] <sinatrablue> hey guys
[3:24] <sinatrablue> 24hr burn in of rpi3 still going strong
[3:24] <Voop> what does that mean
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[3:28] <sinatrablue> just running the pi for 24hr to make sure it stable
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[3:29] <katnip> how do i reformat my sd to start over with raspbian?
[3:31] <tristero> katnip: just rewrite it with a fresh Raspbian image, per the install directions (with dd on Linux, or Etcher on other platforms), no need for separate reformatting step
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[3:35] <sinatrablue> google sdcard formatter
[3:37] <Voop> if you are doing it in windows you need that utility...
[3:38] <Voop> diskpart
[3:38] <Voop> type list disk, then select disk x (x being the number of the sd card disk)
[3:38] <Voop> then clean
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[3:51] <BurtyB> or just use Etcher as tristero said
[3:52] <tristero> see https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
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[4:02] <katnip> i just hit the shift button and got recovery, started over that way
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[4:21] <LuminaxWk> in Windows, rufus is a good tool
[4:27] <Rukus> cool
[4:27] <Rukus> but this isn't quite beetle juicing is it
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[6:09] <Greg-J> I have made the most portable (non-zero) pi <insert dramatic pause> ... in the world.
[6:09] <Greg-J> https://imgur.com/gallery/QtDCr
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[8:04] <xCuri0> Is it possible to use a Raspberry Pi 3B as a USB gadget ?
[8:04] <xCuri0> possibly using the TTL pins or GPIO
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[11:18] <shiftplusone> systemd-timesyncd should handle time synchronization. Might be interesting to see the output of sudo journalctl to figure out why that didn't happen
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[11:23] <lastaid> i did a bubu. i tried to remove a few packages to free up space. now i get the Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory error message when trying to use systemd
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[11:23] <lastaid> does anyone know how to fixz that?
[11:24] <red9> @xCuri0, Maybe if you add a external RS-485 transceiver and succeeds to handle bit in and out within a 666 ns response time (1.5 Mbit/s USB).
[11:25] <shiftplusone> lastaid: do you know what was removed that's causing the issue?
[11:26] <lastaid> i deleted over 300 packages ... mostly desktop and python stuff
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[11:31] <shiftplusone> are there any more insightful error messages?
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[11:33] <lastaid> it appears that its only for the pi user, i fixed it for root
[11:34] <lastaid> and no, no insightful error messages
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[11:36] <RoyK> hi all. anyone that can suggest a touchscreen for the pi? I have the 7", but it'd be better with something like 10" or thereabout
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[11:47] <shiftplusone> RoyK: adafruit seem to offer good variety
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[11:49] <SpaceAce> hi all
[11:49] <SpaceAce> so i've got my pi-hole running on and old pi B
[11:49] <SpaceAce> runs well,
[11:50] <SpaceAce> think it'll handle me installing sabnzbd and a torrent client without issue?
[11:52] <shiftplusone> SpaceAce: take a backup and give it a go. No reason it shouldn't
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[12:15] <xCuri0> red9, is that fast enough for a debug gadget ?
[12:15] <xCuri0> i'm trying to make a ehci debug gadget for kernel debug
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[12:28] <red9> xCuri0, using USB 1.5 Mbit/s mode, your code needs to be able to process a bit every 666'nt nanosecond. And sync to clock edges.
[12:31] <red9> If an Atmel AVR microcontroller 8-bit can do USB 1.5 Mbit/s using a 12 MHz clock. https://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
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[12:32] <red9> Then a Pi using a >700 MHz clock should be able to do the same. The trick is really fast bit-banging response time.
[12:32] <red9> You most likely need to insert a interrupt handler using code space that is locked into cache.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> jitter/latency.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> there is the piscope project.
[12:38] <BurtyB> depending on the problem using a MAX3421E breakout board (SPI) might be easier
[12:38] <red9> Sucking in a long string of data differs from when you need to watch for bits and respond to them within 100s of nanoseconds.
[12:39] <red9> btw, I think on a Pi2 the datarate was something like 20 MByte/s.
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[12:45] <red9> BurtyB, interesting chip MAX3421E!
[12:46] <red9> The problem at hand is "make a ehci debug gadget for kernel debug"
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[12:47] <red9> xCuri0, What makes it impossible/hard to use existing USB ports? or plain async serial?
[12:47] <ali1234> why not just use a pi zero
[12:48] <shbrngdo> interrupt processing, kernel driver [or an RTOS]
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[12:51] <shbrngdo> high speed bit-banging with an OS that pre-empts is potentially a problem. a kernel driver can synchronize things like that better. However, it has limited usefulness
[12:54] <red9> Have a interrupt using IRQ on GPIO change. Then make the interrupt handler reside in cache locked memory and disable further interrupts.
[12:55] <ali1234> you can't disable GPU interrupts
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> nor dram refresh,
[13:18] <red9> Disable the GPU?
[13:18] <red9> And is the internal L-cache dynamic instead of static RAM ?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> the gpu keeps the Pi going - highly unlikely you can disable it.
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[13:23] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - I've spent the last couple of weeks working with FreeBDS devs improving SPI. it started off me wanting to implement spidev as a port
[13:23] <shbrngdo> it ended up fixing the BSD spi to be more functional. with test code I can see 3 SPI ports on an RPI 2
[13:24] <shbrngdo> well, 1 SPI port with all 3 'E' pins as 3 devices, better description
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[13:24] <shbrngdo> but prior to that there was no way to get beyond "just using E0" unless you 'hacked' it. they didn't like the idea of 'just hacking it'.
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[13:25] <shbrngdo> it's always fun when you have to "get the latest kernel" to be able to use something, heh [it's being backported into -STABLE some time this week]
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[13:27] <shbrngdo> so the thing about spidev is that the device name references the enable pin. on FreeBSD this becomes similar, but it's 'spigen#' as assigned by the overlay, more or less
[13:28] <shbrngdo> and you have to install the overlay to see it. That's because the DTB files coming from 'the foundation' are all "linuxy" and they don't want to maintain them [rather 'be compatible'] but that means everything has to be an overlay
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> sadly I have more stuff to do right now than to get into FBSD - again.
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[13:28] <shbrngdo> so part of what I must do is create "that overlay" and cough up a way of installing it
[13:28] <shbrngdo> I get ya. I was planning on porting wiringPi myself, actually.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi with 3 x SPI Thermocouples attached though.
[13:29] <shbrngdo> using 'spi0' ?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> I just used 3 other gpio pins as their CE lines.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> then the usual spi stuff.
[13:29] <shbrngdo> you can do that, too. in fact there's a way to set that up using overlays...
[13:30] <shbrngdo> not sure if it's compatible with linux though
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> well - I did it over 2 years ago now, so not sure that was an option then.
[13:30] <shbrngdo> quite possibly not. I've hit the bleeding edge on the development curve, talking with the engineers, submitting things for review.
[13:31] <shbrngdo> one of them wanted an 'spi' utility - so I wrote one. basically a command line util that lets you send stuff. there was an existing one for i2c but none for spi.
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[13:32] <shbrngdo> so I'd do echo "05" | spi -A -f spigen1 -c 2 -d rw it'd send one byte '05H' plus a 2nd '00' byte and receive 2 bytes
[13:32] <shbrngdo> there's a binary version as well, but it's harder to do from a command line
[13:33] <shbrngdo> unfortunately it's rather Sloooow if I bang away SPI from a shell script. at least it's possible.
[13:33] <shbrngdo> kinda funny watching an LCD display going h e l l o with about 1/2 second between letters
[13:35] <shbrngdo> anyway... nice to see an alternative to "the latest systemd-infected version" of Linux being supported
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[13:42] <shiftplusone> shbrngdo: out of curiosity, if systemd is an infection and an overall negative thing, why did every major distro make it default? Are the developers just blind to the downsides? Were they paid off? Are they in on a conspiracy? Are they just lazy? Stupid?
[13:42] <shbrngdo> I won't answer that. probably would turn into a religious discussion.
[13:43] <shbrngdo> but yes, I'm certainly NO fan of it. main reason: the rules changed, and I was expected to change with them. I said "NO"
[13:43] <ali1234> the reason why all distros adopted it is because all distros except for ubuntu and red hat have no ability to maintain software and rely entirely on upstream maintainers
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[13:44] <shiftplusone> I don't want to get into a debate either, was just wondering what the answer to that question was without any follow up questions. I understand not wanting to answer though.
[13:44] <ali1234> obviously red hat would adopt it since they created it. ubuntu adopted it because they didn't want to diverge from debian
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, spi has no common protocol over devices - there is no spi 'i2cdetect' for example.
[13:48] <shbrngdo> that's true - I left that feature out
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[13:50] <shbrngdo> I guess the entire concept of a command line utility that could throw bytes at an SPI device and receive them back was just "useful"
[13:50] <shbrngdo> that and set mode, speed, etc.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> I just coded specific devices into the gpio command. gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 read 100
[13:51] <JimBuntu> SPi via CLI is indeed useful, sometimes you only want to perform a single/simple task, perhaps a test. The i2c suite could use updating as well.
[13:52] <shbrngdo> ah, the one for wiringPi - yeah, there's no official "gpio" command in the base linux distro
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[13:53] <shbrngdo> it may be that the FreeBSD 'i2c' utility was based on the linux one, or vice versa. It was basically a model for "something for spi too"
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> i2c is easier as there is almsot a standard register-based type access for them, so i2cset/get can work over many devices.
[13:53] <red9> Command line tools are useful for step-by-step test and development.
[13:53] <shbrngdo> not only that but there's a way to have devices identify themselves (more or less)
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> in i2c, yes.
[13:54] <sinatrablue> does anybody know how to calibrate a touchscreen while using kodi on raspian?
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> you often can't even tell is an SPI device is plugged in...
[13:54] <shbrngdo> SPI devices on the other hand are hard-coded to the enable line. in theory you already know about them
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[13:54] <red9> (like set scope to trigger, then send any command and catch the pulses)
[13:54] <shbrngdo> well, what I'll typically do is send a command to read a version register or something on an SPI device, and if you don't get a reply, it's "not there"
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[13:55] <gordonDrogon> trouble is - you do get a reply becuse there is no time-out, so you will always get a reply, even if that reply is zero (or 1's if the bus flaots high)
[13:55] <shbrngdo> but I've seen problems [on Arduino, more specifically] with SPI devices [or lack thereof] causing a hang in the script
[13:55] <shbrngdo> er, sketch
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> and spi master can never hang as it controls the clock.
[13:56] <shbrngdo> one of the I2C library functions waits forever for responses
[13:56] <shbrngdo> in effect, 'never hang' unless the thing that invokes it does something wrong
[13:56] <shbrngdo> but yeah
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> good job I don't us arduino's spi and i2c libraries ..
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> however that's for another channel...
[13:56] <red9> And wrong never happens.. like ever ;)
[13:56] <shbrngdo> I figured you developed wiringPi based on those
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[13:57] <shbrngdo> but it's starting to look more and more like a wiringPi port for FreeBSD would involve spigen and gpioc and not necessarily a port of the Linux interface as a kernel driver. Which, in many ways, is just fine
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> well, 'wiring' was technically pre-arduino, however I wrote a complete separate 'wiring' implementation for ATmega for another project about the same time as I did wiringPi.
[13:58] <red9> gpioc?
[13:59] <shbrngdo> yeah it's the device driver for gpio over on FreeBSD - /dev/gpioc0
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[13:59] <shbrngdo> you do IOCTL calls to it to flip the bits
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[13:59] <red9> ah
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> there seems to be as many people want digitalWrite(p,0) as want port &= ~(1<<b) sort of stuff.
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[14:00] <red9> shbrngdo, was it Linux or Fbsd that had a limit preventing one to see three SPI devices?
[14:00] <shbrngdo> one is convenient, the other faster. In the 'monolithic' operating system world, it's probably better to have an API
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[14:01] <red9> actually BSRR/BRR one bit/port seems to be the fastest option.
[14:01] <shbrngdo> red9 - it actually is supposed to depend on the overlay 'dtbo' file that enables the SPI stuff. I'm not sure what spidev does behind the scenes but it shoudl give you spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 at least.
[14:01] <red9> (no need for and/or/inv)
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> red9, avr-gcc spits that out.
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> but it's rarely about speed - it's about what looks good to you the programmer and those who have to maintain it.
[14:02] <red9> ARM that is.
[14:02] <shbrngdo> I try to avoid outright assembly language, unless I need to code some inline assembler [which on occasion, happens]
[14:02] <ali1234> if you care about the speed of accessing GPIO registers you would be writing assembly code and counting every cycle
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> oh, whatever. the only asm I do these days is pdp-8 and 6502.
[14:02] <shbrngdo> heh - pdp8
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[14:02] <shbrngdo> is that 6-bit?
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> I can generate a nice 320x240 video from an atmega entirely in C which is good enough for me.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> pdp-8 is 12 bit
[14:03] <red9> shbrngdo, What you wrote made it seem like linux have a 1x spi device limit. While freebsd now have 3x spi devices ?
[14:03] <shbrngdo> oh that's right - 6-bit "bytes" but 12-bit "word"
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> no, just a 12-bit word.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> there is/was a means to store 2 x 6-bit characters per word, but virtually nothing made use of it.
[14:04] <shbrngdo> red9 - 3 'enable' pins available. unfortunately the bcm2835 driver only handles the 'spi0' device, which uses a different set of registers from the 'aux' devices spi1 and spi2. it's literally a different type of device for the other 2
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[14:04] <shbrngdo> so maybe that's why Linux (and FreeBSD as well) only support the SPI on the 23-pin connector, and not the other two... unless there's support in Linux for the other 2
[14:05] <red9> shbrngdo, is freebsd for Pi in a workable state as of now?
[14:05] <red9> stable, can do image grab (CSI) etc..
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[14:06] <red9> I'll presume Ethernet and USB works.
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[14:08] <shbrngdo> red9 - yes - minus some support (like the SPI things I'm currently working with the devs on). but I find some things about FBSD to be much better than in Linux. a couple of years ago Debian adopted a newer version of bluez, for example which page faults with legacy bluetooth stuff and never got fixed. I kept using 'wheezy' for Raspbian because of it.
[14:08] <shbrngdo> unles there's been a fix within the last 6 months, it's still broken
[14:08] <shbrngdo> that's because it'd be a distro-wide fix and debian was broken last time I updated to test for it
[14:09] <ali1234> bluetoothd has a legacy mode for deprecated api
[14:09] <shbrngdo> right but it was while I was attempting to negotiate the legacy-style PIN code that it page-faulted
[14:09] <shbrngdo> a lot of devices (let's say RN-42 modules) need this
[14:09] <shbrngdo> and BTLE is just WAY! TOO! SLOW! so I won't use it
[14:10] <red9> shbrngdo, Does ENC28J60 via SPI interface work on fbsd?
[14:10] <shbrngdo> so you use a legacy style association with the BT device. It used to give me rfcomm0 when i did that. I had scripts and everything.
[14:10] <shbrngdo> red9 - haven't tried that. what's ENC28J60?
[14:11] <ali1234> i used rfcomm just the other day
[14:11] <red9> ENC28J60 - Ethernet 10BASE-T half-duplex over SPI to Pi.
[14:11] <ali1234> and the legacy sdp interface
[14:11] <shbrngdo> ali1234 - ok but did it use a BTLE-style association or a legacy style?
[14:11] <ali1234> non-BTLE pairing is not legacy
[14:11] <red9> Isn't BTLE that energy efficient Apple thing ?
[14:12] <ali1234> BTLE is a completely different protocol grafted onto the bluetooth spec, yes
[14:12] <shbrngdo> red9 yeah but newer bluetooth devices use a different manner of association that doesn't involve PIN codes
[14:12] <ali1234> that's correct. my software was written 10 years ago and works unmodified today :)
[14:12] <red9> I discovered it when I investigated getting a serial port using BT into both Android and iPhones.
[14:12] <ali1234> and it uses pairing and sdp and rfcomm sockets
[14:13] <shbrngdo> ali1234 - I've got a handful of older USB bluetooth devices that cause the newer bluez to crash and burn. it's actually bad code, causes a page fault.
[14:13] <shbrngdo> lemme get the commands I'm using.. [on an RPi even]
[14:14] <red9> Maybe BT works better on fbsd? ;)
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[14:16] <shbrngdo> red9 - actually it just doesn't crash. 'better' is a matter of perspective. on FBSD I have to edit conf files to add a new device
[14:16] <shbrngdo> but I could script that...
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[14:17] <shbrngdo> here's the command that crashes: bt-device -c 00:00:DE:AD:BE:EF you enter the pin [I had it scripted to 'enter' 1234 via stdin]
[14:18] <shbrngdo> on older bt devices, it expected a 4-digit PIN. on newer devices, it's something else [at least on the older bluez, haven't tried the newer one]
[14:18] <red9> How is video (xorg) on freebsd using Raspberry Pi ?
[14:18] <ali1234> i dont have that command
[14:18] <shbrngdo> no more bt-device? well, THAT fixed it! not...
[14:19] <ali1234> i have btattach
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[14:19] <shbrngdo> great, another rule change due to an "up"grade
[14:19] <ali1234> aparently i just dont have it installed
[14:19] <shbrngdo> really helps with devloping scripts for things to run automatically
[14:19] <red9> Radio comms with poor security.. what could go wrong ;)
[14:20] <ali1234> with rfcomm you just open the device and pairing happens automatically
[14:20] <ali1234> no idea how it works
[14:21] <shbrngdo> the point is that legacy "non-BTLE" devices do it THAT way. if you want a system that automatically discovers and associates with a deliberate mac address, you can script it with the older tools (I did) but the newer tools were crashing
[14:21] <shbrngdo> and as far as I know, they were never fixed
[14:21] <ali1234> non-BTLE is not legacy
[14:22] <ali1234> BTLE is a completely different air protocol, it doesn't even support "pairing"
[14:22] <shbrngdo> nice "up"grade from wheezy in other words. 'legacy' refers to older USB bluetooth devices that do not support BTLE's protocol stuff
[14:22] <ali1234> wrong. legacy refers to the command line tools you are using
[14:22] <shbrngdo> so I really don't want to get nitty with terms, thanks
[14:23] <shbrngdo> I'll just remain wrong thank-you-very-much and be in my ignorance forever or something
[14:23] <ali1234> sure, i won't stop you from using BSD if it works for you
[14:23] <red9> shbrngdo, re spi0.0: enc28j60. It manages ~520 kByte/s so it's quite fast given the circumstances.
[14:25] <shbrngdo> red9 - that's an external device connected to SPI?
[14:25] <red9> yep
[14:26] <ali1234> i just paired a mouse with bt-device btw and it worked fine
[14:26] <ali1234> but that's probably because i enabled legacy mode
[14:27] <shbrngdo> ali1234 just to set the records straight on this: about 3 years ago, using Raspbian 'wheezy', I coded a system for a bed of nails device that would program a piece of hardware using the PDI header with a bootloader, then perform a test on it. part of the test was associate with bluetooth and flash using bluetooth. think of 100 devices being tested with this equipment
[14:28] <shbrngdo> so it had to be automatic, and be able to work alongside other similar pieces of equipment, each running bluetooth. yes, RF noise would be an issue, as well as the possibilty of associating with the wrong unit. I nailed that one down with some simple techniques
[14:28] <shbrngdo> in short, it was guaranteed you'd pick up the correct MAC address, and from that point forward, you'd invoke a shell script that would automatically associate/pair with that mac address, then enable 'rfcomm0' so you could talk to the device
[14:28] <shbrngdo> this was on an RPi model 2
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[14:29] <Rob235> hey
[14:29] <Rob235> so I just ordered my first pi
[14:29] <shbrngdo> then the shell script would run a series of commands across bluetooth, testing voltages from test points, and performing a software 'self test' on the device, etc.. Takes about 5 minutes total as it does a 3 minute data recording.
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[14:30] <Rob235> can you use the hardware SPI as an SPI slave? I can always make my other mcu the slave if necessary but it makes more sense to have the rpi as a slave
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[14:30] <shbrngdo> the entire thing is controlled by a pair of pushbuttons with an LCD display. A tech with 3 or 4 of these could test a hundred devices in a single day.
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[14:30] <shbrngdo> well, 25 per hour or better I'd guess
[14:31] <shbrngdo> minus breaks and tiredness
[14:31] <shbrngdo> so yeah after seeing that distros after 'wheezy' couldn't work with bluez and the USB bluetooth adaptors on the RPi, I decided to stick with wheezy for that reason alone. no updates. ever.
[14:32] <shbrngdo> and the devices are 3 years old now. work just fine.
[14:32] <ali1234> well, i wrote this: https://github.com/ali1234/barrier/commits/bluetooth-1
[14:32] <ali1234> 10 years ago
[14:32] <ali1234> and it still works today
[14:33] <red9> The must-update-ad-infinium hamster wheel. Must not defect ;)
[14:33] <shbrngdo> red9 - yeah, it's irritating, isn't it? and yet 10 year old code "still works" as ali1234 pointed out
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[14:36] <red9> It's like someone wants to control what code you are running..
[14:37] <red9> And tries to rip the rug under the feets of users by "upgrading" hardware such that you have to have.. new code.
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[14:41] <shbrngdo> yeah, well, sometimes that's unavoidable (like 64-bit vs 32-bit aka RPi 3 vs RPi 2). what REALLY bugs me is when 'the old stuff' won't work on the new hardware
[14:41] <shbrngdo> so to build more of those things I designed 3 years ago, I need RPi 2's. period. and the older OS has to work on them, so when the CPU's changed 2 years ago, is THAT going to break it?
[14:41] <shbrngdo> yeah
[14:42] <shbrngdo> well, not QUITE 2 years ago, actually
[14:42] <RoyK> what would be a good window manager for touchscreen?
[14:43] <red9> BCM27xx microcontrollers seems not available as a separate item.. it's like. Hmmmmm.
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[14:43] <red9> shbrngdo, Maybe if you rewrite the BT stuff so it works wihnewer Pi's?
[14:44] <red9> ie the driver/util part.
[14:44] <shbrngdo> red9 - yeah, but that takes a lot of effort. it has to be AUTOMATED, of course. and 100% reliable.
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[14:44] <shbrngdo> red9 - having to re-write something that works and is rliable, JUST because somebody ELSE made changes that broke things, is pretty much unacceptable
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[14:45] <shbrngdo> so the easier solution: stick with wheezy, don't upgrade the OS or the packages.
[14:45] <shbrngdo> and if I had to change OS I'd probably switch over to FreeBSD and be done with it, heh
[14:45] <shbrngdo> [but FreeBSD has only supported RPi for about a year now]
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[14:46] <shbrngdo> make that 1.5 years when 11-RELEASE came out
[14:46] <shbrngdo> october of 2016 I think it was...
[14:46] <shbrngdo> anyway
[14:47] <shbrngdo> HOLY proFANity, it's 5:47 AM? I should sleep a bit more... later
[14:47] <shiftplusone> 'night
[14:48] <JimBuntu> shbrngdo, no way, simply travel East at a fast pace
[14:49] <red9> The morning has already past many hours ago ..:P ;)
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[16:11] <xCuri0> what is the difference between using a mainline kernel and the default kernel ?
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[16:12] <xCuri0> is the default raspberry kernel more optimized ?
[16:12] <Habbie> xCuri0, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/wiki/Upstreaming
[16:13] <xCuri0> Habbie, so basically the downstream kernel has better hardware support and optimization than the mainline one ?
[16:13] <Habbie> hardware support, yes
[16:13] <Habbie> no idea about optimization
[16:13] <lastaid> I finally found a workaround for the bug i was having issues with. It's apparently only in the rpi kernel, not mainline. serial communication would constantly break. dwc_otg.speed=1 fixed it
[16:14] <lastaid> now everything is uselessly slow, but i am getting correct data
[16:14] <shiftplusone> is that serial over USB that was failing?
[16:15] <xCuri0> Habbie, why isn't support for some stuff not upstreamed ?
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[16:15] <Habbie> xCuri0, i know nothing, i just found that page for you and it seemed useful
[16:17] <shiftplusone> xCuri0: To improve USB stability/performance, the downstream kernel uses the FIQ in a way that upstream would not want to use it. Most of the differences are for reasons like that, but things are slowly getting upstreamed and upstream drivers are replacing downstream ones.
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[16:17] <lastaid> shiftplusone: yes
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[16:18] <Hanonim> I've connected a rpi and an arduino via i2c. Everything works besides reading one or several bytes from a register, for instance using the i2c_smbus_read_byte_data function. The arduino calls the callback registered with onReceive and get the proper register but the callback registered with OnRequest is never called afterwards. Even when sending data from the onReceive callback, the Pi doesn't get
[16:18] <Hanonim> anything and I get errno EREMOTEIO.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> the arduino I2c library sometimes causes a clock-stretch as it's not fast enough.
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> although I though that had been looked at on the Pi, but I might be wrong.
[16:20] <shiftplusone> lastaid: is there an issue open for it on github/raspberrypi/linux?
[16:21] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: I've tried setting up I2C_TIMEOUT to a high value but it doesn't change anything
[16:21] <lastaid> shiftplusone: i opened one. already commented on it with the workaround
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, personally, I use serial for Pi to Arduino. faster & more reliable.
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I did write my own Arduino I2C library though that worked well with the Pi way back on the Gertduino project but have not used it on a Pi since.
[16:23] <stiv> Hanonim, how long is your i2c connection?
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[16:23] <wonderer> hi all
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[16:23] <wonderer> how can i getout of kernelpanic mode?
[16:23] <wonderer> i can see content of my sd card in ubuntu live
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[16:25] <wonderer> anyone?
[16:27] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: In practice yes I would use serial, but I was messing around with i2c-dev and was surprised something wasn't right. So I was wondering who's fault it was
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, if you want blame - then blame us for using the Pi's SoC outside what it was originally designed for. Gert explained to me what happens in the silicon during I2C - and clock stretching wasn't supported and the person who designed that bit of hardware was long-gone.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> if it's clock-stretching that is the issue here.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> but that's what I found - although I was able to re-write the arduino I2C driver to not clock stretch.
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[16:30] <stiv> i2c is designed for connecting board-level components. to treat it like serial connect between nodes, you need to be a bit careful.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> stiv, or the hardware has to actually work.
[16:31] <stiv> gordonDrogon, heh. that too
[16:31] <mlelstv> .oO( long distance i2c )
[16:31] <methuzla> is there a good write up on the clock stretch issue anywhere? specific to the pi soc.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> from what I was told by Gert, the Pi's I2C hardware does not stop clocking data out when a clock-stretch condition happens.
[16:31] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: Thanks, you're full of resources as always
[16:32] <stiv> use a modulated laser beam instead of wires. less capacitance!
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, that may, of-course not be your issue, but it was something I observed when I last tried I2C to an ATmega.
[16:32] <methuzla> or maybe it's as simple as that? "the Pi's I2C hardware does not stop clocking data out when a clock-stretch condition happens"
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> clock-stretch is a valid part of an I2C transaction - a slave device is allowed to effectively stop the clock.
[16:33] <methuzla> so the slave device goes "wait" and the pi goes "uh uh, here comes more data"
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[16:33] <methuzla> and that's in the hardware?
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> on the atmega, from memory, the byte comes in and the atmega immedaitely goes into clock-stretch mode - you then have a very short time to take the interrupt, fetch the byte, deal with it (ie call-backs) then release the ATmega I2C hardware to allow it to take the next byte.
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, yes.
[16:35] <Hanonim> I'm a bit surprised support for i2c on the pi is a bit limited
[16:35] <methuzla> all pi variants?
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, not really - it was designed over 6 years ago as a set-top box...
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> STBs use very limited peripherals - if any.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> it was probably there, left over from a previous incarnation, just because it was there...
[16:36] <methuzla> it must be non-trivial to fix it in the hardware then
[16:36] <wonderer> anyone?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> just employ someone who can re-write the vhdl for an i2c driver modue... simples :)
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> wonderer, kernel panics - that's a game-over situation. power cycle.
[16:38] <Hanonim> As much as I like the pi, I've been using it a lot for the past 2 years, IO is often cumbersome
[16:38] <methuzla> that's what i figured. much easier to keep using the same vhdl source for all the recent soc revs.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> I don't think this scenario is limited to broadcom though - I've seen it in other places too. staff change and move on, legacy remains ...
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[16:41] <methuzla> indeed
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: I think the issue here is not that they're unable to fix it, but that the bug is now just there. If you remove it on a new pi model, people develop software on it and then find that it doesn't work on other pi models, things get a bit ugly. Not that that's a good reason not to fix a problem, it's probably part of the reason why there hasn't been effort made, AFAIK.
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> Oh, I've no issues with it - not looking for a fix either.
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[18:06] <shbrngdo> hmmm... i2c and RPi . FBSD seems to have support for i2c implemented, so I'll experiment with it under BSD, see if I spot problems. I have an I2C device or three to test with, some microcontrollers I could run in slave mode, things like that
[18:06] <shbrngdo> if Linux has issues with i2c but FBSD does not, then I might have a look at linux i2c next
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[18:08] * shbrngdo does not fear the kernel module [have written several for both linux and freebsd]. it takes a bit of 'different' thinking, but you get used to it. it's a lot like coding microcontrollers, though. very low level, and not a lot of debugger help
[18:08] <shbrngdo> it helps to find a module similar to what yours will do, and look carefully at the existing one
[18:08] <shbrngdo> then haul out the hardware manuals and register docs and things like that
[18:09] <shbrngdo> RTFM a lot, look at examples, do what you can to test it without expensive gear, etc.
[18:10] <methuzla> its a hw issue in the soc though
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[18:11] <shbrngdo> oh, really? I've got the hardware manual right here. what exactly is it?
[18:11] <methuzla> i dont know the gory details, but basically it doesn't support clock stretching
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[18:13] <methuzla> it = the broadcom chips, the BCM283x's
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[18:14] <shbrngdo> according to the hardware docs (page 28) it does. but it only supports master mode
[18:16] <shbrngdo> in fact, register 1C is defined as 'CLKT' the clock stretch timeout
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[18:16] <shbrngdo> I'm starting to think that the problem is the linux driver
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, Linux generally doesn't have issues with I2C - I've used many different I2C devices on a Pi.
[18:17] <shbrngdo> so what was the problem in THIS case ?
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> hm. just been doing some more reading - it seems it may well be a driver issue - in conjunction with the hardware.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> the hardware might support clock stretching after all - despite what Gert told me.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> https://raspihats.com/i2c-hat/2016/02/16/raspberry-pi-i2c-clock-stretch-timeout.html
[18:22] <shbrngdo> the registe I just saw in the docs. yep
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[18:23] <shbrngdo> so it's config'd in a /sys var then? that would make sense
[18:24] <methuzla> well keen. this would be a much better scenario.
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[18:25] <shbrngdo> nevermind - I read the 'C' program source. using /dev/mem and mucking with bits directly.
[18:25] <shbrngdo> that should be a simple change to the driver, then add a /sys var to tweek it
[18:25] <methuzla> where does the folklore of an issue in the vhdl come from? to me that means theres an issue in the silicon.
[18:26] <shbrngdo> maybe it's FUD - the video firmware _is_ closed source so we don't really know what's there
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[18:30] <methuzla> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=146272
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[18:36] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: it's meant to support it, but due to the bug, it doesn't properly
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ah, that might explain it.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, my information came from Gert - who works/used to work for Broadcom & Pi foundation
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[18:38] <shiftplusone> Don't think he ever worked for the foundation. Just broadcom, at the time the chip was designed, so he knows it inside out.
[18:38] <methuzla> that thread linked above seems to capture a lot of the discussion around this
[18:38] <shiftplusone> The best explanation of it I've seen is here: http://www.advamation.com/knowhow/raspberrypi/rpi-i2c-bug.html
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> right.
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[18:40] <methuzla> so really nothing a driver can do, it is hw
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> and issues I've seen personally have been to do with the Arduino code not triggering ack quickly enough due to the call-back mechanism in their driver.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I also read about a similar issue in a PIC based interface chip too.
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> so there it is - nice fast little devices - work fine.
[18:41] <shiftplusone> When doing AVR stuff, I handle I2C in assembly, although I'm sure C can work just as well, just not the examples provided by atmel/microchip.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> I wrote all my own I2C stack for the atmega.
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> I try and avoid assembler if possible these days - lost too many braincells to it in the past - however pdp-8 is easy - only 8 instructions and 6502 is easy because it's burned into my brain..
[18:43] <shiftplusone> The AVR instruction set is very simple as well.
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[18:46] <shiftplusone> I started learning ARM assembly by porting wiringpi to bare metal, because I figured it would be a good learning experience and something I could use. Got a job shortly after starting and had to stop, so I'm still clueless about ARM's instruction set. It looks like the tricky part is optimizing stuff for the pipeline.
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I looked briefly at it when I got an Arc with it's in-line bbc basic assembler. there was something back then about running your code, then inserting 1-3 NOPs at the start to make it go faster (or slower)
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I gave up after that.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> last "big" lot of asm I did was for the i860 and/or sparc (both at about the same time). The i860 is weird as it can execute 2 instructions at once - so you wrote code in 2 columns.
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[18:48] <shiftplusone> interesting
[18:49] <shiftplusone> The "I hope to never have to do anything like that" kind of interesting though
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> I was offered a job a few years back writing asm code for a DSP chip that had 8 cores and no register interlocking. I declined.
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[18:50] <shiftplusone> Don't have the experience to know how tricky that would be, but it doesn't sound like it would be fun.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> it was for a modem running at some silly gigabunjy speed.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> on a 60GHz carrier.
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> one project I have on the go involves generating video from an ATmega - I have managed 320x240 pixels without resorting to asm. got lots of cpu left over too for doing some actual line drawing, etc.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> that's all in C.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> https://youtu.be/09zhGUbVxdU
[18:55] <shiftplusone> vga or composite?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> composite.
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> got the code available somewhere?
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> you need to bit-bang in asm for vga and there isn't enough ram inside the atmega, so needs external
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> no code publicly there yet, but if you want a peek...
[18:57] <shiftplusone> nuh it's alright
[18:57] <shiftplusone> never done low level video output before, so I was just curious.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> it's a small part of a bigger project I'm doing this summer.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of video some ~26 years ago, so the timings, etc. are all stuff I'm familiar with, but back then... sheesh - the expensive hardware we had..
[18:58] <shiftplusone> Anyway, time to go home.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> admittedly, this was 1280x1024 in 32 bit colour.
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[19:01] <JimBuntu> gordonDrogon, that's pretty nifty for coming from an atmega
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> JimBuntu, thanks. there are several Arduino TVout projects out there though, but I didn't find one that was actually that good.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> and most were 40x24 text only or crude attempts at colour.
[19:03] <JimBuntu> Please use the PDP-8 at the worlds best knight rider light bar!
[19:03] <JimBuntu> s/at/as
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> like this, you mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFt_9LsAgso
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> code: http://unicorn.drogon.net/larson.lst
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> (which I hand toggled into that 8/f)
[19:05] <JimBuntu> Yeah, that's the vid I was watching. Now you need to install it in a car.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> haha... sadly the only pdp-8 I own is an 8/a - not quite the same panel: https://lion.drogon.net/IMG_20180128_095121.jpg
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> and using the PiDP8/i might be considered cheating...
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[19:49] <AfonsoHenriques> i have a question :D
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> just ask ...
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[19:50] <AfonsoHenriques> oh sorry
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[19:51] <AfonsoHenriques> anyone already set up a CS:GO / GTA SA MP server into RPi? The hardware can handle it?
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what those are, but google have a page of hits that suggests people are doing it.
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[19:52] <AfonsoHenriques> (disk space isn't a problem, since I can put external disks into a WN722 hub
[19:53] <AfonsoHenriques> No, google actually have poor content about such matter.
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[21:36] <ShorTie> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 152d:0578 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp.
[21:37] <ShorTie> how come that doesn't show up on a rpi3+ ??
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[21:41] <red9> USB3 <-> S-ATA adapter?
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[21:45] <ShorTie> yes sir
[21:46] <ShorTie> x850 to be specific
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[22:31] <Voop> ok before i break this relay im going to ask about wiring it
[22:31] <Voop> one side has vcc, gnd, and 'in' which is the trigger from what i gather
[22:32] <Voop> the other side just has common and nc/no
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[22:33] <Voop> what im putting to vcc and gnd is what i want the trigger to be as well
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[22:33] <Voop> can i just put a jumper from vcc to 'in'
[22:34] <Voop> i honestly dont understand why the trigger pin a separate thing
[22:34] <Voop> is a*
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> Voop, what are you connecting to the Pi?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> oh, that relay?
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Voop, ping?
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[22:41] <Voop> gordonDrogon: "5v relay"
[22:41] <Voop> dont know why they are called that
[22:42] <Voop> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_223429_1.jpg
[22:42] <Voop> whats the point of the trigger
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> you have that connected to a Pi?
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> so the Pi is driving it?
[22:43] <Voop> no
[22:43] <Voop> 24v is going into it, then com will be connected to gnd of the pi
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> right.
[22:43] <Voop> and pin 22 on no
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> let me just clarify: you have a 5v relay and you're putting 24v into it.
[22:43] <Voop> yes
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[22:44] <Voop> it says its rated for higher
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> however #fail
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[22:44] <red9> Does the Raspberry Pi support virtual machines?
[22:44] <Voop> yes
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> the bit thats rated on a relay is the switch side, not the input side. the input side is designed for 5v. if you put 24v into it, then it will catch fire.
[22:45] <stiv> that'd be cool! (for a little while)
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[22:45] <Voop> so its to switch higher voltages off and on with a 5v trigger
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> as for the trigger - that particular relay board has active electronics on it. Those electronics need 5v to work, becuse a relay typically needs several 10's of mA to work, so the input signal, the trigger, only needs to be tiny - just a few mA.
[22:45] <Voop> i want to do the opposite
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> then get a 24v relay.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> at this point, I'm going to suggest that you go away and learn some basic electronics.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> before you get the Pi on fire as well as the relay.
[22:46] <Voop> no u
[22:47] <Voop> im just making a prototype now, ill get 24v relays in the future
[22:47] <red9> "syslog: computer is on fire" ;-)
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[22:47] <Voop> but it works with a 24v input. i tested it. so im gonna use it
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> red9, used to be: Printer is on fire - and that was a genuine error message once upon a time.
[22:47] <Voop> can i just connect vcc to the trigger
[22:47] <stiv> "halt and catch fire" would be a good name for a tv show
[22:47] <JimBuntu> thermal
[22:48] * gordonDrogon sighs.
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[22:48] <red9> I know, it just sounds funny somehow. ;)
[22:48] <red9> stiv, Why TV show?
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> the commodore pet had a poke instruction that would cause the monitor to die a horrible death.
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[22:48] <red9> "oops"
[22:48] <stiv> red9, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)
[22:49] <JimBuntu> black mobius strip in the paper feed of a fax, sending endless pages to the cheap thermal fax left on overnight in some building...
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> the Rev 1 Raspberry Pi has a gpio pin connected to 0v - set the right pin and ... well, it reboots, however it might not ...
[22:49] <Voop> gordonDrogon: im going to take your non answer as "yes voop, connecting vcc to the trigger will work fine. also no fires"
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> Voop, no. do not do that.
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[22:51] <red9> Halt and catch a screen with a cryptic message ;)
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> and I'm saying no more on the subject - sorry. You need to go and learn some basic electronics. At least with 24v all you're going to do is kill the Pi not yourself.
[22:52] <stiv> rather than connect v+ to the input, just forget the relay and solder a penny across the wires
[22:53] <Voop> > noob doesn't know something and that might cause injury
[22:53] <Voop> > no one will advise him though
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm advising you to learn more.
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm telling you that I would not use that relay myself.
[22:54] <Voop> its not even drawing any current from the 2v line how could it set the relay on fire
[22:54] <Voop> 24v*
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> do you have a link to the data sheet for that relay?
[22:55] <Voop> nope bought it from china for $1
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg
[22:57] <Voop> you dont know how to link images
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[22:57] <Voop> but im not gonna help you
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> that is a link to an image.
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[22:59] <JimBuntu> gordonDrogon, access priv is wrong though
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> weird.
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> have this one then: https://unicorn.drogon.net/doh.jpg
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[23:03] <Voop> gordonDrogon: okay apparently this is a 12v relay according to china
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[23:03] <Voop> https://www.fasttech.com/p/5523600
[23:04] <Voop> less fire?
[23:04] <JimBuntu> Probably more fire if they give you the one pictured, looks like salvage
[23:05] * gordonDrogon sticks fingers in ears... La la la la la ...
[23:05] <JimBuntu> Why is the "architecture" listed as "Arduino"?
[23:06] <Bambus> is there a good rpi3+ 64bit image?
[23:06] <Voop> sucks i cant get help here
[23:06] <Bambus> stable and "light" no desktop...
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[23:07] <Voop> if i ask these questions in ##electronics they will just call me names that arent allowed to be said here
[23:07] <binaryhermit> gordonDrogon: chrome beta is complaining about your ssl cert, something about syantec
[23:07] <binaryhermit> *symantec
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> binaryhermit, already? Hm. best update it then.
[23:08] <binaryhermit> they're stopping trusting symantec because symantec is a horrible ssl cert provider security-wise
[23:08] <wadadli> can I use the display on my laptop for my pi3?
[23:08] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, i presume you mean you should update it?
[23:09] <leftyfb> wadadli: if you can get your pi3 on the network, then you can ssh to it
[23:09] <Voop> ssh, vnc, or if your laptop is one of the 2 made that has hdmi in
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> binaryhermit, done.
[23:12] <binaryhermit> did you change ssl cert providers ?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> yes, I updated my certificate. I had it all ready just not installed it.
[23:12] <binaryhermit> oh
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> it was due to expire anyway, I just use the same wholesaler and she sorted it all out.
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> Voop, if you're still there- I can see that you're keen and trying hard, however you're not going about this the right way. Conecting a 12v "thing" to a 24v supply is just asking for trouble.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> even more trouble if you use a 5v thing to a 24v supply.
[23:16] <Voop> im aware of that
[23:16] <Voop> but...
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> if you knew some basic electronics then you could build your own relay, or even a simple opto isolator as that's all that's really needed.
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> or even just use 2 resistors.
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[23:17] <stiv> maybe connect 20 diodes in series to drop the voltage...
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[23:17] <Voop> i learn as time goes on
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[23:17] <Voop> im not going to learn the complete works of electronics history to build this thing im going to make $100 on
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you want to sell this thing?
[23:18] <stiv> no, but you might want to learn what a voltage divider is
[23:18] <Voop> not this one. as i said its a prototype
[23:18] <stiv> or an opto-isolator
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> what if you sell it and it blows up in your face?
[23:18] <Voop> ill make the ones i sell nice and proper
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> or blows up in their face - then they sue you...
[23:19] <Voop> well thats why im asking if its ok here
[23:19] <red9> EMI and high current conformance certification......
[23:19] <Voop> i connected it to 24v and it didnt catch on fire
[23:19] <Voop> the led i connected with no resistor almost did though
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> uh...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> well I'm off to bed. have fun sorting this out.
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[23:21] <Voop> i also shaved a bunch of aluminum off of some din rail
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[23:21] <Voop> and wire brushed some rust off a truck
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[23:21] <Voop> which did eventually catch on fire
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[23:41] <Voop> okay i went out and got a 24v relay
[23:41] <Voop> can i connect vcc to the trigger
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[23:49] * ShorTie Thinkz No...
[23:51] <ShorTie> I'm thinkin, vcc -> +5 and trigger -> gpio pin
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[23:52] <ShorTie> what you really want to trigger is a opto coupler
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