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IRC Log for 2018-04-14

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[0:00] <topicali> is there a place to get the latest kernel headers from the latest rpi-update firmware (4.14.33)?
[0:00] <Voop> gordonDrogon: the relay thing works
[0:00] <topicali> i really should have thought about that before i did rpi-update
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[0:08] <stiltr> topicali: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware
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[0:09] <stiltr> It's 4.14.30, but it's _probably_ close enough.
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[0:12] <ali1234> headers have to exactly match - they are partly generated during the build
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[0:13] <topicali> i think i can jump back to 4.14.30 via rpi-update b4d3b40a706b37ead86482f6f629631aa5ea6213
[0:13] <stiltr> Huh, I wasn't sure if they did an actual version check. Good to know.
[0:14] <topicali> yea a driver will fail to compile if not exact (at least in my exp...)
[0:14] <ali1234> it actually checksums the ABI and then puts the checksum into the kernel and headers in order to make sure they match
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[0:15] <stiltr> That makes sense. I thought you might be able to get by with a difference at the patch level, but I see I was very wrong.
[0:15] <ali1234> it's in linux/magic.h
[0:16] <ali1234> if you are crazy you can disable the check. but only do that as an absolute last resort
[0:16] <stiltr> I've been known to be crazy from time to time... lol
[0:16] <topicali> i think it's basically to protect the user from themselves
[0:16] <stiltr> Always a good plan. haha
[0:16] <ali1234> i had to do it once when dealing with a GPL violating piece of hardware
[0:18] <ali1234> oh it's not linux/magic.h, thats something else
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[0:20] <ali1234> vermagic is the actual name of it
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[0:24] <stiltr> Interesting. Thanks!
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[0:29] <topicali> what kernel is the latest raspbian release?
[0:29] <topicali> latest stable
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[0:33] <ali1234> Linux stretch 4.14.18-v7+ #1093
[0:33] <ali1234> i think
[0:34] <ali1234> maybe not actually, i might have run rpi-update on this
[0:35] <topicali> better question: which version's headers are on the repo
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[0:37] <ali1234> 4.14.30
[0:37] <topicali> damn..there's no rpi-update commit with that firmware
[0:38] <ali1234> this makes no sense
[0:38] <ali1234> maybe i need to reboot
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[0:39] <ali1234> Linux stretch 4.14.30-v7+ #1102 that's better
[0:40] <ali1234> try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall raspberrypi-kernel raspberrypi-kernel-headers
[0:40] <ali1234> that should put you back on the raspbian kernel with the matching headers in /usr/src
[0:41] <topicali> cool..giving it a shot..
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[0:53] <topicali> cool, got them all synced! thx all!
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[0:54] <stiltr> Nice!
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[1:01] <mfa298> stiltr: (bit late) but ansibke seems to be the most popular config tool in the pi/sbc world, I've used chef on most of my pis (but not pi1 or pi zero), so id expect puppet to also work
[1:04] <stiltr> mfa298: I'm not familiar with that one, I'll have to check it out! Have you run into anything strange with the rpis and chef, or pretty straighforward?
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[1:04] <stiltr> *straightforward
[1:06] <mfa298> mosstly straight forward, except it doesnt seem to work on the pi1/pi zero (i build a newer version as I think the repo version is ancient)
[1:07] <mfa298> puppet and chef are both ruby based, but you might not see much of that level depending on what your doing
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[1:17] <stiltr> Hmm. I wonder what the issue is on the Pi0/1.
[1:18] <stiltr> Ya, I'm not a huge ruby fan, but I can use it well enough to get puppet working most of the time. = )
[1:22] <mfa298> something (possibly openssl) causes an illegal instruction on the arm6. Thats about as far as my debug has got so far.
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[1:23] <mfa298> chef works by building its own package that includes ruby and all required libraries
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[1:25] <stiltr> Interesting... Best of luck sorting it out.
[1:25] <red9> Anyone familiar with ISA DMA transfers?
[1:25] <stiltr> That's pretty handy. Somtimes those dependancies can be a pain.
[1:27] <stiltr> Nope, sorry. What are you using that with?
[1:29] <red9> Well in a x86-ISA PC you can program the DMA chip to execute a DMA transfer each time the DRQ is asserted and then acknowledged by the DACK signal.
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[1:31] <red9> So my idea is if its possible to for the Pi to set up DMA transfer where each transfer from GPIO pins is triggered whenever a external signal triggers that?
[1:31] <Habbie> red9, i've done ISA DMA - 20 years ago
[1:32] <VoidShift> red9: a boobytrap pi? PiTrap
[1:33] <red9> The DMA transfer would wait forever and only make one transfer for each external pulse.
[1:33] <Habbie> red9, what problem are you trying to solve?
[1:33] <red9> External clock that feeds a A/D and a DMA trigger in the Pi.
[1:34] <red9> I found such function for a NXP Cortex-M. Not for Pi BCM Cortex-A.
[1:34] <Habbie> that still sounds like a solution
[1:34] <Habbie> to what problem?
[1:34] <red9> I'll suspect the internal clock is unstable.
[1:35] <red9> Sampling signals.. long time DSO etc.
[1:36] <red9> Many DSO scopes have sampling memory limits. And a price..
[1:36] <stiltr> That sort of thing doesn't usually match up well with a non-rtos.
[1:37] <red9> Thus DMA..
[1:37] <Habbie> red9, again, what problem are you trying to solve?
[1:37] <red9> Sampling signals in various circuits to find out what they are up to.
[1:38] <Habbie> red9, this might interest you then https://github.com/Habbie/hardware-hacks/tree/master/binary-scope
[1:38] <Habbie> red9, some of the thoughts in there are not hindered by the linux kernel not being real time
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[1:39] <stiltr> I didn't realize it had a 16 channel DMA controller. Neat.
[1:39] <Habbie> 20 years ago i did turn my soundblaster into an oscilloscope
[1:39] <Habbie> stiltr, i haven't even scratched the surface either
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[1:40] <red9> The problem with soundcard solutions are usually upper frequency limit due to single bit paths and builtin filters. Plus usually no DC detection.
[1:40] <Habbie> sure
[1:40] <stiltr> I guess I've been underestimating the the Pi a bit.
[1:41] <red9> And that binary-scope is limited by single-bit SPI. 100 Mbit/s as I recall.
[1:41] <Habbie> the mbit numbers are in there
[1:42] <red9> stiltr, Pi is a powerfull thing when used wisely. With the right facilities.
[1:42] <Habbie> yes
[1:42] <red9> My idea is parallell A/D. And a separate clock input into the Pi.
[1:42] <Habbie> and for most things it is bad at, a $5 MCU on top of it will fix that for you
[1:42] <red9> A clock input that triggers the DMA increment & transfer.
[1:43] <red9> I think it's called CTCLK on NXP
[1:43] <stiltr> I usually just use an MCU for any IO stuff I care about, but it's been a while. I'll have to dig deeper next time.
[1:45] <red9> btw, I figured one could (ab)use DMA to implement extra high speed USART on any GPIO pin ;)
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[3:12] <samantha95> hi
[3:12] <CarlFK> hi there
[3:14] <methuzla> !low
[3:15] <CarlFK> trying to figure out how to do: https://github.com/raspberrypi-ui/rc_gui/blob/master/src/rc_gui.c#L23
[3:15] <CarlFK> this looked like it worked: sudo raspi-config nonint do_ssh 1
[3:15] <CarlFK> but ssh to it: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.164 port 22: Connection refused
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[3:16] <methuzla> do you just want ssh enabled?
[3:18] <CarlFK> yes
[3:18] <CarlFK> via a command line
[3:19] <methuzla> touch /boot/ssh
[3:19] <methuzla> reboot
[3:19] <CarlFK> I got the idea that .c file was relevant from https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/issues/55
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[3:19] <CarlFK> oh neat - where are docs for that ?
[3:20] <methuzla> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[3:20] <methuzla> step 3.
[3:21] <methuzla> other cmd line methods are also shown there
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[3:21] <methuzla> sudo systemctl enable ssh ; sudo systemctl start ssh
[3:23] <CarlFK> neat - this is exactly what I want: add file to SD card on another machine)
[3:23] <CarlFK> I wonder if I can moutnt the .zip file ...
[3:23] <CarlFK> that would be pretty magical.
[3:24] <cheekio> Hot damn
[3:24] <cheekio> speed boots in sokoban
[3:24] <cheekio> speed boots are my _favorite_ item
[3:26] <methuzla> CarlFK, on another machine?
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[3:27] <CarlFK> methuzla: yes. like the box I dd'ed the .img onto the SD card
[3:27] <methuzla> what do you mean by add other files?
[3:28] <CarlFK> I cut/pasted that from the page you linked
[3:29] <CarlFK> carl@twist:~/sbc/rpi$ touch /media/carl/boot/ssh
[3:29] <CarlFK> does that explain what I am doing?
[3:29] <methuzla> ^^ this is not the pi?
[3:29] <CarlFK> correct. this is my i7 laptop
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[3:29] <methuzla> sounds like you're trying to a headless setup?
[3:30] <methuzla> (no monitor attached to pi)
[3:30] <CarlFK> I wouldn't call it headless.
[3:30] <CarlFK> the pi isn't even booted yet.
[3:30] <methuzla> is there a monitor attached?
[3:30] <CarlFK> the SD card is in my laptop, which has a display
[3:30] <methuzla> is there a monitor attached? to the pi
[3:30] <CarlFK> yes. both laptop and pi have displayes
[3:31] <methuzla> you can configure things after initial boot if you want
[3:31] <CarlFK> but I dont want ;)
[3:31] <methuzla> why not?
[3:31] <CarlFK> I want to do it once, and then dd a bunch of SD cards
[3:31] <CarlFK> or if I have to, write a script to dd an SD, mount it, set things up, un mount it.
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[3:32] <methuzla> for the once part, why not interactive on the pi?
[3:32] <methuzla> and then dd after that
[3:32] <CarlFK> aka: automation. less human, less mistakes.
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[3:32] <ShorTie> dd .... && touch mypath/boot/ssh && sync
[3:32] <CarlFK> if I dd the SD card I get a bigger .img file
[3:33] <CarlFK> becuase it dd's all the unused blocks too. think 16gig SD card. makes a 16gig sd.
[3:33] <ShorTie> there, easier then messing with image file
[3:34] <CarlFK> ShorTie: thanks, but scroll up, did that already.
[3:34] <methuzla> how many things are you trying to setup? just shh? or ???
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[3:35] <CarlFK> set locale to en_US , keyboard-layout , timezone , ssh I think that is it for rasp-config things
[3:36] <methuzla> you may need to get fancier than the few things you can do via editing files in /boot then
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[3:40] <CarlFK> if I can enable ssh and drop pub keys on there, I can ansible the rest, which may happen for other stuff anyway
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[3:41] <methuzla> cool. if that works. the other thing you can do is configure wifi.
[3:41] <methuzla> just create/edit the file /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[3:43] <CarlFK> when I asked about docs, are there docs for what it looks for in /boot ?
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[3:46] <methuzla> not sure of a good single source
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[3:47] <suttin> Wait can you edit the locale and keyboard in /boot/ on an external machine?
[3:47] <methuzla> i don't think so
[3:47] <CarlFK> suttin: I want to. not seeing it though
[3:47] <methuzla> setting hostname is another one i'd like to be able to do
[3:47] <CarlFK> oh yeah.. that.
[3:48] <methuzla> also maybe default user/passwd
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[3:52] <CarlFK> know about setting screen res? I need 1280x720
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[3:55] <methuzla> maybe. edit /boot/config.txt and use info here: https://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
[3:57] <CarlFK> nice
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[4:05] <CarlFK> "The Raspberry Pi config.txt file is read by the GPU before the ARM core is initialized. " so weird.
[4:05] <methuzla> the pi is 90% GPU
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[4:22] <CarlFK> yeah, just freaks me out that that the gpu controls he boot. or something like that
[4:24] <plugwash> The Pi is a GPU with an arm bolted on
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[4:24] <plugwash> or a cluster of four arms in the case of more recent models
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[4:26] <plugwash> <methuzla> the pi is 90% GPU my understanding is that was true for the original Pi's but then they bolted on rather larger arm complexes for the Pi2 and Pi3
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[5:11] <suttin> BurtyB: the progress is real! https://imgur.com/a/6NscG I was able to follow the guide to spin up a promethus container and modified it to work on my machine
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[6:14] <shbrngdo> FYI - in case anyone wondering, I spotted login attempts in my sshd logs for username 'pi'. just sayin'
[6:15] <shbrngdo> so the bots are predictably trying to crack ssh on RPi
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[6:29] <Zardoz> shbrngdo: they been doing that for years, nothing new.
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[7:59] <CarlFK> 2018-03-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.zip (so no X) has a screen saver, screen goes dark, but monitor is still on. how do I disable it? I want the display on always
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[8:13] <Zardoz> check in raspi-config
[8:14] <Zardoz> CarlFK: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/screensaver.md
[8:15] <CarlFK> bingo. thanks.
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[8:55] <aroman> is anyone having trouble with the raspberry pi touchscreen? the screen is completely black
[8:55] <aroman> ive tried all the suggestions on the official FAQ
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[9:43] <iKarith> Definitely not the best place to ask, but maybe someone here can help me figure out a better way to ask… I've got a file under git version control and a forked version of the file of unknown "ages ago" vintage. I'm wondering if a tool exists that might compare the two and help me find a common ancestor.
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[9:43] <iKarith> I figure if I do that for all the files, I might be able to determine from whence the fork comes and begin to either fold it back in or determine that it shouldn't be folded back in.
[9:45] <iKarith> vaguest topicality: The fork involved is a Linux version of a Windows-only program that some folks run on their Pi despite its age and MIA upstream developer. :)
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[11:13] <shbrngdo> if the source is hosted on github I am pretty sure you can tell if it was forked from another repo. otherwise, good luck and try some 'search engine'-fu
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[11:24] <JimBuntu> shbrngdo, Are you seriously using port 22?
[11:26] <shbrngdo> yes. why not? I need to remote-in sometimes. Fail2ban kicks out anyoen trying to crack me, with a whois record.
[11:27] <shbrngdo> secret: only allow specific (cryptic) user names, so dictionaries fail, and never allow root to ssh in.
[11:27] <shbrngdo> and it's FreeBSD, so a non-priv user can't 'su' directly to root.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> the old wheel group?
[11:28] <shbrngdo> yep
[11:28] <shbrngdo> if you're not a member you can't su to root
[11:29] * shbrngdo wishes linux were like that
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> just replace 'su'.
[11:30] <shbrngdo> good point. maybe that's where the check is done...
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> however the mass-appeal of Linux would simply mean that every user would automatically be in 'wheel'.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> just like we now have nearly 20 million Pi's with the pi user being able to sudo as if it were a normal part of life.
[11:30] <BCMM> shbrngdo: wait, linux *isn't* like that?
[11:30] <mfa298> i think making su a wheel only thing is only a chmod away (at least on some linuxes)
[11:31] <shbrngdo> I try not to do that. the user I leave logged in all the time is a member of a group associated with the network domain but that's it
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I even see people with scripts where every single line starts 'sudo'.
[11:31] <shbrngdo> BCMM - not by default. any user can 'su' to root as far as I know, at least with the distros I'm aware of (including Raspbian)
[11:32] <BCMM> sudo itself is useful, "ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" is horribly broken by design... anybody know when this became the norm?
[11:32] <mfa298> shbrngdo: as for the pi ssh attempts, thats why ssh is off by default in raspbian and has been for almost 2 years (or is it longer now)
[11:32] <shbrngdo> yeah when I do a script that needs to be root I take specific precautions to prevent abuse, including putting an exact copy of the allowed command line in the 'sudoer' file that describes it
[11:32] <BCMM> i mean, thanks to the default config on ubuntu and others, nearly everybody things of sudo as the command that lets you run anything as root, but when did this start?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> it becamse the norm when "day of the linux desktop" happened ...
[11:32] <mfa298> BCMM: i don't think sudo for everyone is the norm anywhere, you normally need to be part of the right group (sudo on raspbian I think)
[11:33] <shbrngdo> then you have to either do 'sudo whatever' or it has a few lines like if ! `id` == 0 ; then sudo $0 $@ ; fi (or similar)
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install su
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> sudo -i
[11:33] <BCMM> mfa298: ok, but i mean the pattern where the user created at install has "sudo absolutely anything" ability, and password login for root is disabled
[11:34] <mfa298> In some parts sudo is seen as the more secure option to su as you don't have to give everyone the root password and you can limit what some people can do.
[11:35] <shbrngdo> I tried the '-i' as a non-wheel user, and i was told I don't have permission to execute the shell as root
[11:36] <shbrngdo> tried as a wheel user, same thing. It's not prompting for the root password at all
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[11:36] <mfa298> BCMM: that's only on distros that don't have a root password by default. Other distros allow you to set a root password and dont have to make the normal user "an administrator"
[11:37] <shbrngdo> sudo is, for the most part, easy to set up to allow specific things. Yes. good example might be associating wifi.
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[11:37] <shbrngdo> another might be mounting a standard device, maybe a USB drive with FAT32
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[11:38] <BCMM> or allowing shutdown/reboot on a fileserver, *without* allowing a user to access other people's files
[11:38] <shbrngdo> exactly - I usually do that [add group permissions to run 'poweroff' and 'reboot']
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[11:38] <mfa298> there's plenty off examples where sudo is great (letting DBAs restart the DB but not break the system is another)
[11:38] <shbrngdo> operator group is convenient for that
[11:39] <BCMM> that's why i say i like sudo, just not the "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" pattern
[11:39] <shbrngdo> I've done some slightly complicated versions, too, like allowing mount and umount for specific paths
[11:39] <shbrngdo> right. that's bad
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[11:40] <shbrngdo> I think by default that's associated with the sudoers group (or similar) if you configure your system properly. just don't add anyone to that group
[11:40] <mfa298> BCMM: not sure what its like on the pi, but if you want a different security model look at centos/fedora which give options for root password and less sudo
[11:40] <shbrngdo> or in your case the 'sudo' group I guess. '%' is for a group? I forget...
[11:41] <shbrngdo> haven't looked at those closely enough for a while now. I've got an older CentOS in a VM... haven't booted in a while
[11:41] <mfa298> BCMM: the idea of that rule is you only add people to the sudo group if you'd normally give them the root password. you don't put everyone in the sudo group (and sudoer.d makes adding rules for particular groups/users easy)
[11:43] <BCMM> mfa298: any distro offers that option, even if it's not obvious - sudo passwd, then edit sudoers to fix the stupid line
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[11:43] <BCMM> iirc the debian installer offers both common configurations
[11:43] <shbrngdo> I'm pretty sure Raspbian has /etc/sudoers.d
[11:44] <shbrngdo> (a debian linux VM that I have running has it)
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[11:44] <shbrngdo> you can still muck with the sudo config file via 'visudo' but with sudoers.d you won't need to
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[11:45] <mfa298> BCMM: fedora at least (and posibly centos) give you that in the standard graphical installer. My point was its not the default on all Linux as you seemed to be saying earlier)
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[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> mfa298: eh, close enough for most people
[11:46] <BCMM> mfa298: i didnt say it was universal. i said that, thanks to ubuntu, its a norm that users (and too many writers of documentation!) now expect to see
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> and if you know enough to know it isn't the case... you don't need to ask the question.
[11:46] <shbrngdo> very often the group 'sudo' or 'sudoers' or similar will be defined in the distro, and then you just add users to it. In Mint and Ubu I am pretty sure that whatever user you create during install ends up in the 'sudoer' group or similar, because 'sudo whatever' seems to work out of the box.
[11:47] <Fulgen> hello, I'm using the RaspberryPi 3B model and added "sdtv_mode=2" and "hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1" in order to get a signal from the composite port. However, if it boots with only a HDMI cable (which doesn't count as hotplug, I guess), I get no signal through the HDMI port. is there a way to enable both dependend on what is plugged in on boot time?
[11:47] <Fulgen> (tried /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -c "PAL 4:3", but that didn't enable the composite port (no config options at this time))
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> I don't think so
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> it's a pretty blunt instrument
[11:48] <shbrngdo> I didn't know RPi 3 had a composite port... [I thought it went away in Pi 2]
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> oh, yeah that too
[11:49] <mfa298> BCMM: sorry, I missed the ubuntu and others bit earlier, the rest of the conversation was generally about Linux hence why I made those comments.
[11:49] <Fulgen> shbrngdo: it still has one (is "the same" as the audio port)
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> mfa298: since we're nitpicking, just 'hence', no need for why
[11:50] <BCMM> shbrngdo: composite output changed from a standalone RCA (phono) connector, to being integrated with the 3.5mm jack
[11:50] <shbrngdo> oh, ok. I did not know that!
[11:51] <shbrngdo> so I guess a standard stereo audio connector still works, but a "special" one would include video?
[11:51] <BCMM> shbrngdo: (i.e. it's now a four-contact connector: left, right, video, ground (not necessarily in that order)
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[11:51] <shbrngdo> well I should be able to plug in standard headphones and have it work. hopefully THAT isn't screwy
[11:52] <BCMM> shbrngdo: yeah, it's a pretty common setup actually (or was before digital monitors/tvs became the default). a lot of camcorders have a connector like that, some ipod classics do it i think, etc.
[11:52] <Fulgen> interestingly, the RCA signals are "shifted", the video signal gets sent over the red "right audio" cable
[11:52] <BCMM> shbrngdo: maddeningly, there's actually 2 standards for pin order out there
[11:52] <shbrngdo> yeah, if I remember correctly Apple has their own...
[11:52] <BCMM> with some people thinking it's OK to *move the ground pin* depending on whether you're putting video out or not
[11:53] <shbrngdo> well, on a 3 conductor model, the 3rd band and the ground band short together. let's hope it's tolerant of that.
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[11:53] <BCMM> shbrngdo: yeah, there's kind of the apple one and the everybody else one, except a bunch of people are using the apple one for compatibility with the incompatibility and, well, you get the picture
[11:53] <shbrngdo> ugly
[11:53] <mfa298> there's at least three standards, but two will work on the pi (one swaps where video and right audio are) the non compatible standard (camcorders I think) swaps video and ground
[11:53] <shbrngdo> anyway thanks - I'll have to have a closer look at this. I _HATE_ audio adapting, it ends up giving you scratchy audio
[11:54] <shbrngdo> too many thingies between headphones and audio source
[11:54] <BCMM> yeah, swapping video and audio doesn't matter a bit - you're usually using a 3.5mm -> 3x phono cable, and you can just swap the phono connectors around on the TV/stereo
[11:54] <shbrngdo> what matters to me is whether or not a standard headphone thingy still works
[11:54] <shbrngdo> right/left/ground - that's what I have
[11:55] <mfa298> good page I found with the variations https://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/understanding-trrs-and-audio-jacks/
[11:55] <shbrngdo> thanks. I'll have a look.
[11:55] <mfa298> headphones should just work in the pi version
[11:56] <BCMM> swapping ground though? typical apple move, incompatibility that's *also* technically inferior for obvious reasons
[11:57] <mfa298> I think the pi version is the same as apple on that page
[11:57] <BCMM> i think i misspoke earlier - apple moves ground when including a microphone in the headset, not when adding video to the output
[11:57] <Fulgen> so there's no solution for my problem?
[11:57] <BCMM> apple more or less gets video output right
[11:58] <BCMM> it's some proprietary camcorder or other that move ground for video
[11:58] <shbrngdo> Fulgen - where is that pin connector documented?
[11:58] <shbrngdo> I guess that would answer the question too
[11:58] <BCMM> shbrngdo: anyway, point is, pretty much anything with a 3.5mm jack will take standard headphones. even devices that do some sort of weird non-standardness will at least have autodetection for plain old stereo headphones
[11:59] <mfa298> not Rpi, but should be the same pinout https://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#about-the-trrs-connector
[11:59] * shbrngdo found - https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[12:00] <shbrngdo> so , it's compatible with headphones, assuming that shorting video to ground isn't a problem
[12:00] <BCMM> this site explicitly says video is on sleeve https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/ :(
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[12:01] <Fulgen> shbrngdo: yeah, it works with switching. My question is if I can use the composite port without adding hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 to config.txt
[12:01] <BCMM> that will work with the overwhelming majority of stereo headphones
[12:01] <BCMM> could be a problem for a few that are using a non-standard arrangement to make ground contact
[12:01] <shbrngdo> Ok who's the mensa candidate who put GREY TEXT on BRIGHT WHITE BACKGROUND...
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[12:02] <BCMM> i think it's gotta be a mistake... why else would the 1st paragraph be full contrast?
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[12:04] <mfa298> Fulgen: I think there is a way to force composite on boot (and possibly a way to switch with tvservice) but its not something I've looked into
[12:04] <Fulgen> ok, thanks
[12:05] <Fulgen> (forcing works, but then I can't use hdmi)
[12:06] <mfa298> I think you can only use one or the other, not both at the same time.
[12:06] <Fulgen> I know
[12:07] <Fulgen> my problem is, either I set the parameters in the config.txt and use composite, or I don't and use HDMI
[12:07] <Fulgen> there is no "set the parameters and use HDMI"
[12:07] <BCMM> yeah, the pi either uses composite or HDMI
[12:08] <Fulgen> my question is, is there a way to use either composite or HDMI depending on what is plugged in at boot time?
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[12:08] <BCMM> yes
[12:08] <BCMM> that's pretty much the default behavior in most images i've seen
[12:08] <Fulgen> hmm
[12:08] <BCMM> unless you change config.txt, you get HDMI video if an HDMI monitor is detected, composite otherwise
[12:09] <Fulgen> ok, thanks
[12:09] <BCMM> (because HDMI can detect monitor presence and composite can not, at least in any standard or reliable way)
[12:09] <Fulgen> ok
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[13:17] <seek^126> hey guys :> my rPi 1b is still generating the Diffie Hellman parameters for my open vpn 4069 key after 39houra ... i'm fine with it takin so long but now i'm wondering if it will ever finish.. because i've read it took like 24h for other ppl. i installed some stuff while it was generating and also i'm usin my irssi client on the same mashine but ye, its still generating :>+
[13:18] <seek^126> is there any way to see if it progresses?
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[13:21] <seek^126> (well its still doing this ...+... animation .. so i guess its still workin :>)
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[13:30] <pksato> seek^126: why not use more fast computer to generate keys?
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[13:39] <MacGeek> is there a way of keeping the process running when closing the window of a program invoked via remote X11? or do I have to use VNC for that?
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[13:44] <pksato> MacGeek: no.
[13:44] <seek^126> well, next time i'll but now its running for such a long time.. i dont want to stop it.. so i was wondering if i could theck the progress somehow?
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[13:45] <pksato> you need a "persistent" X11 server. A real one or a VNC.
[13:46] <pksato> seek^126: just the dots.
[13:47] <BCMM> MacGeek: x11 itself has no provision for network disconnection and reconnection
[13:47] <BCMM> there is vnc, x2go, rdp and probably other options
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[13:48] <seek^126> pksato, ok thank you. i'll update you how long it took when its done. i'm not in a hurry :>
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[13:53] <pksato> seek^126: I tested 4096 key gen on one low speed pc I have access, PII 333MHz, it take ~2 minutes. And on C2D 2.4Gz ~15s.
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[13:58] <ebarch> pksato seek^126: I bet the long generation time on the Pi is related to available entropy. I've used rng-tools to greatly speed up generation on my Pis in the past. relevant article: https://hackaday.com/2017/11/02/what-is-entropy-and-how-do-i-get-more-of-it/
[13:59] <mlelstv> pi has a hardware rng
[14:00] <ebarch> indeed. that's what rng-tools help you use :)
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[14:00] <ebarch> helps*
[14:00] <mlelstv> here it's automatic :)
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[14:01] <seek^126> well, my entropy is 2865 - thats fine, right?
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[14:01] <mlelstv> dhparam searches for primes... that has little to do with the rng
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[14:03] <ebarch> ah, i stand corrected in that case
[14:03] <mlelstv> it's mostly luck, how quick it is..
[14:04] <mlelstv> best to search on the fastest machine you have and copy the result over
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[14:16] <IceWolf> Is there a recommended set it up once distro and don't worry too much about updates since where it will be located won't have internet?
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[14:20] <mlelstv> the latest raspbian?
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[14:23] <AfonsoHenriques> hello. I followed the instructions to config a Minecraft server into RPi3 (Raspbian), but I just cant enter the Raspbian system again.
[14:23] <IceWolf> well I tend to go with i3 wm as it's lightweight and this would be for a raspberry pi with only 512mb ram
[14:25] <AfonsoHenriques> I tried to login through tty2,3, etc, but it also doesnt work at all. I rememeber to set up the start script (a shell script) in /etc/rc.local
[14:26] <AfonsoHenriques> The cause of such issue resides into this script inside rc.local, right?
[14:26] <BurtyB> suttin, :)
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[14:34] <IceWolf> Hmm I found sarpi and slackware tends to have a good but of packages already in the installer
[14:34] <IceWolf> bit *
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[14:42] <Zardoz> IceWolf: you can install anything and update before you deploy. this will insure on the latest software.
[14:43] <IceWolf> right
[14:44] <Zardoz> IceWolf: not any one distro is going to be better about it as they will all go out of date over time.
[14:44] <IceWolf> ok
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[14:51] <IceWolf> So if I got a pi 3 later on, I would install hard float ? http://sarpi.co.uk/index.php?p=downloads
[14:52] <seek^126> Zardoz: what about rolling rls ditros?
[14:52] <seek^126> :>
[14:52] <seek^126> like arch
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[14:52] <Zardoz> what about it
[14:53] <seek^126> if you take care of it it should get outdated, right?
[14:53] <Zardoz> still going out of date if you never update or "roll it"
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[14:54] <seek^126> true
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[15:04] <Fulgen> question about program_usb_boot_mode=1: if it sets the OTP bit, does that mean that the raspberry pi gets unable to boot from an sd card? or can I boot from usb and sd card?
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[15:11] <BurtyB> Fulgen, if enabled on a Pi3 it will still try to boot from SD first (the Pi3+ doesn't need it enabling)
[15:11] <Fulgen> ok, thanks
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[15:14] <IceWolf> Does it work better booting from an sd card? Thought I read somewhere few years back that while it can run from usb it works better from an sd card
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[15:32] <Lartza> IceWolf, Better how?
[15:33] * IceWolf shrugs
[15:33] <Fulgen> hm, I added program_usb_boot_mode=1 to the sdcard, dd'ed the sd card to the hdd, reset the UUID of the hard drive's ext4 partition, rebooted, changed the root partition to the hdd's partition in the hdd's cmdline.txt, shut down, removed the sdcard and rebooted, doesn't work :/
[15:33] <Fulgen> am I missing something?
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[15:44] <sunwind> hey guys, anyone got Kali or Mint to work on the 3?
[15:44] <sunwind> it just hangs on the rainbow screen
[15:45] <Fulgen> https://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
[15:45] <BurtyB> Fulgen, which image are you using? if it's raspbian you should just be able to dd it to usb device and boot
[15:45] <Fulgen> I'm using Arch Linux ARM
[15:45] <BurtyB> no idea then
[15:46] <sunwind> that doesn't help :(
[15:46] <Lartza> With arch you just follow the instructions but use the USB device as target instead of the sd
[15:46] <Fulgen> so I can't dd over the SD to the HDD?
[15:46] <Lartza> only difference with arch vs dd is you create the partitions and then tar over
[15:46] <Lartza> You should be able to do that too but
[15:46] <sunwind> I'll try arch because kali and mint won't boot
[15:46] <Lartza> I usually just rsync when migrating
[15:46] <Fulgen> ok
[15:47] <Fulgen> does the green LED also flash when accessing the HDD when booting from it?
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[16:08] <sunwind> do things like mint/kali/etc not work on the 3+?
[16:08] <Fulgen> define "don't work"
[16:08] <sunwind> I can only get raspbian to boot past the rainbow :/
[16:08] <Fulgen> you can try to copy mint's files to raspbian's partitions (thereby overwriting raspbian)
[16:09] <Fulgen> keep in mind not all have support for raspberry pi
[16:09] <Lartza> Maybe they haven't updated yet?
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[16:09] <Lartza> Where are you getting mint for the rpi?
[16:09] <sunwind> sorry I meant Mate
[16:10] <Lartza> So.... Ubuntu?
[16:10] <sunwind> I guess they haven't updated yet
[16:10] <sunwind> yes ubuntu mate
[16:11] <Lartza> 2017-02-16
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[16:11] <Lartza> So definitely no support for 3B+ in Ubuntu Mate yet
[16:11] <sunwind> I just stuck the sd card in my standard RPI 3 and it's booting mate now
[16:11] <sunwind> ya
[16:11] <Lartza> Yeah 3B+ needs new firmware
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[16:12] <Lartza> You could probably do that manually though if you REALLY wanted, though not sure why Raspbian wouldn't work over Ubuntu too :P
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[16:15] <_Trullo> I have a dell monitor with dvi and a adapter to the raspberry, no picture.. when I remove the connector from the raspberry the monitor reacts..
[16:15] <_Trullo> any ideas?
[16:16] <Lartza> HDMI to DVI?
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[16:20] <mlelstv> what dell monitor?
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[16:26] <Tex_Nick> _Trullo: make sure the resolution of the Pi is not set higher than the highest resolution of the monitor
[16:26] <Lartza> A sensible monitor would show an error about that though
[16:28] <Tex_Nick> yeah, but i think the keyword there id *SENSIBLE* ;-)
[16:30] <_Trullo> it's a dell U2412M
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[16:34] <mlelstv> hmm
[16:35] <Tex_Nick> _Trullo: what type of adapter cable are you using ... DVI-I (integrated - digital & analog), DVI-D (digital only) & DVI-A (analog only)
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[16:46] <mlelstv> the U2412M should just work with a simple hdmi->dvi cable
[16:48] <mlelstv> someone reports that the monitor doesn't show a picture when the rpi power supply is weak.
[16:49] <_Trullo> powersupply is from the same supplier as the raspberry, so it should be fine, adapter I don't know what kind. cable is all pins. I tried with a cable with a few pins missing, same result
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[16:51] <mlelstv> that's a dvi cable and a separate adapter?
[16:51] <_Trullo> ya
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[16:57] <phoenixbyrd> whats the best way to power my pi3b+ with the 3.5 hyperpixel display to stop the lightning bolt icon from showing?
[16:57] <Fulgen> it needs 5V 2.5A
[16:58] <mlelstv> it needs a good USB cable
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[17:00] <mlelstv> trullo, still sounds like a problem with the cable+adapter. But you may try some settings in config.txt.
[17:00] <phoenixbyrd> battery I'm using mow is only 2.4A
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[17:02] <mlelstv> in particular: hdmi_force_hotplug=1, config_hdmi_boost=1..7, hdmi_group=1..2, hdmi_mode=4 or 69
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[17:03] <mlelstv> phoenixbyrd, try to measure voltage... it's probably below 5V
[17:03] <Lartza> It must be or the lightning icon wouldn't show :P
[17:04] <mlelstv> lartza, the rpi could be broken :)
[17:04] <Lartza> I mean that is possible but I think unlikely, it's a single chip that does the detection really
[17:04] <phoenixbyrd> ok, so probably just a faulty battery pack then. Just bought the pi too
[17:04] <mlelstv> hmm. rpi3b+ idle without case: 51C, with case: 57C :-/
[17:04] <mlelstv> with case and HAT: 61C
[17:05] <stiv> hmm, pi displaying bad power warning. battery not rated for min power. I'm stumped!
[17:05] <mlelstv> it's not as if it would need 2.5A all the time :)
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[17:06] <Lartza> stiv, 2.5A is not the min power :P
[17:06] <stiv> true. when unplugged, pi goes into low-power mode
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[17:07] <Lartza> stiv, 3B uses around 350mA at load
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[17:07] <stiv> get a $2 phone charger from the grocery checkout line and try that!
[17:07] <Lartza> or wait no, possibly a bit more
[17:07] <Lartza> But nowhere near 2A
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[17:15] <_Trullo> I'm going to change monitor and see if that helps
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[17:19] <methuzla> _Trullo, did you try hdmi_safe=1
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[17:58] <Encrypt> Hello o/
[17:58] <Encrypt> I've just installed unbound on my Raspberry Pi! :)
[17:58] <Encrypt> I have a DNS @home now, with adblocking features
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[18:10] <Fulgen> hmm, does someone know how I can speed up HDD boot? it takes way longer than SD card boot. (/boot is still on the SD while root is on the hdd)
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[18:11] <ali1234> thats unusual. normally it is faster
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[18:11] <ali1234> you must have a very fast SD card and a very slow hard drive
[18:11] <Fulgen> very fast SD card?
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[18:11] <Fulgen> it's class 4, are u kidding :D
[18:12] <ali1234> class is pretty much meaningless for random access
[18:12] <Fulgen> ok
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[18:18] <Fulgen> ok, it seems to be a hdd issue
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[18:51] <_Trullo> second monitor didn't work.. I guess a new cable..
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[18:59] <moriarty> anyone does any crypto mining on raspberrypi?
[19:00] <moriarty> i wonder if i can use a raspberry pi as a hardware bitcoin wallet too
[19:00] <Tex_Nick> _Trullo: if i understood correctly, you're usind an HDMI cable with an HDMI to DVI adapter ? ... if that's the case, i'd suspect the adapter as more likely the fault than the cable
[19:00] <Tex_Nick> guess it's kinda a coin toss though
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[19:02] <Tex_Nick> assuming of course the Pi is working
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[19:06] <john_rambo> I am trying to boot OPENWRT but it gets stuck on the Rainbox Screen ...Any idea how to troubleshoot?
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[19:06] <john_rambo> I checked and found "kernel.img" on SD card but still wont boot
[19:07] <methuzla> https://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
[19:07] <methuzla> it doesn't like it for some reason
[19:08] <methuzla> using a 3B+?
[19:08] <john_rambo> methuzla: The face is I have never been able to boot any image transferred with "dd" ...THe only thing that boots is the NOOBS installer
[19:08] <john_rambo> methuzla: The fact*
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[19:08] <john_rambo> methuzla: NO Pi2
[19:09] <methuzla> try using etcher instead of dd
[19:09] <Voop> protip - dont glue your pi to something until you are sure it works correctly
[19:09] <Voop> now my usb ports are full of glue
[19:09] <john_rambo> methuzla: Tried that too ...Same result
[19:10] <Voop> ive never got dd to work either
[19:10] <Voop> its really specific about paths
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[19:10] <john_rambo> Voop: Then how do you boot your PI /
[19:10] <john_rambo> Voop:?
[19:10] <john_rambo> Voop:Noobs ?
[19:10] <methuzla> that's weird. if it's booting with noobs, then the hw is ok.
[19:10] <Voop> i use my windows pc to write the image
[19:11] <methuzla> it has something to do with how you're imaging the sd card. or the img you are using.
[19:11] <john_rambo> methuzla: Yes ...I am badly stuck
[19:12] <Voop> i use win32diskimager
[19:12] <methuzla> try latest official raspbian lite image?
[19:12] <john_rambo> methuzla: I did sudo dd if=flash.img of=/dev/sdb bs=2M conv=fsync
[19:12] <Voop> takes 2 seconds and the paths are entered automagically
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[19:13] <Voop> theres also a utility called something something pie
[19:14] <Voop> not sure if its available for linux
[19:14] <john_rambo> Voop: I dont have Windows ...Only Mint
[19:14] <methuzla> what is flash.img?
[19:14] <john_rambo> methuzla: I renamed the openwrt image for convenience
[19:15] <methuzla> are you sure the sd card was /dev/sdb?
[19:15] <john_rambo> methuzla: Yes
[19:15] <methuzla> how long did dd run for?
[19:16] <Voop> i was wrong. its called pibakery and doesnt appear to be available on linux
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[19:16] <methuzla> like seconds or minutes?
[19:16] <john_rambo> methuzla: The file is only 4.5 MB ...A couple of minutes
[19:16] <methuzla> hmmm
[19:16] <methuzla> dunno. seems like the correct dd usage.
[19:16] <methuzla> so i'd suspect the img file.
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[19:17] <john_rambo> methuzla: As I said I was never able to boot any image created with dd
[19:17] <Voop> are you sure you have the right path
[19:17] <john_rambo> methuzla: Only noobs works
[19:17] <Voop> ie you are writing to the sd card and not a partition
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[19:18] <john_rambo> Voop: Yes andIcan actually mount theSD card on PC and see the files
[19:18] <methuzla> "any image" -> included a recently downloaded raspbian lite from raspberrypi.org?
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[19:19] <Voop> i tried it a couple days ago with raspbian lite
[19:19] <john_rambo> methuzla: But I badly need openwrt coz I want to use the Pi as a router
[19:19] <Voop> didnt work. but i suspect its user error on both mine and johns part
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[19:20] <methuzla> did the /boot partition show up after writing the image?
[19:20] <JessicaRN> hey folks, some years ago I configured a rpi2 running wheezy to be a firewall. It has worked great so far and I now want to replicate the project on stretch using a rpi3. do any of you know of a guide to help me with this?
[19:20] <Voop> how do people live without at least one windows system
[19:20] <methuzla> happily
[19:21] <Voop> JessicaRN: dont see why it would be different
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[19:22] <methuzla> JessicaRN, could probably follow same instructions as before, biggest difference would be anything with the init system
[19:22] <JessicaRN> well, the stretch config is diff from wheezy. and I'm not sharp enuf on ux to translate the diffs
[19:22] <Martin`> hmm raspberry pi does not boot from usb when I connect keyboard, I've to start up without keyboard, after that I can connect keyboard
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[19:23] <Lartza> Martin`, Insufficient power supply?
[19:23] <methuzla> actually, yah, there were some network config things that changed (thanks to systemd)
[19:24] <Martin`> Lartza: but when I have usb disk, keyboard connected and put an sd in it, it will boot without problems
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[19:24] <Martin`> does starting from usb use more power?
[19:24] <Voop> do you get a lightening bolt in the corner
[19:25] <Voop> or a rainbow icon
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[19:25] <JessicaRN> so, for example, I'm now connected via eth0. I have configured dhcpcd.conf to connect to my internet source, but wlan0 isn't showing up and available
[19:25] <Martin`> no, when I connected keyboard screen stays black
[19:26] <JessicaRN> ifconfig shows it as unconfigured
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[19:32] <john_rambo> Just tried with Etcher ..Same result
[19:32] <Martin`> I will try later with a powered usb hub to be sure that it is not a power problem :)
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[19:39] <AfonsoHenriques> anyone about the issue I wrote hours ago?
[19:40] <AfonsoHenriques> I want to use Raspbian, but aint no way (as far as I know) to override Minecraft server I configured in the same SD
[19:41] <AfonsoHenriques> I think - just "think" - the root of the problem is one bash I put into rc.local
[19:42] <AfonsoHenriques> The bash initializes the Minecraft server... What you guys think?
[19:44] <Voop> what do you mean override
[19:44] <methuzla> AfonsoHenriques, does the pi boot? can you connect to the minecraft server?
[19:45] <AfonsoHenriques> Voop skip* the Minecraft server start process in order to enter Raspbian as I used to do
[19:46] <methuzla> how did you used to enter Raspbian?
[19:46] <methuzla> ssh? gui? console cable? nsa backdoor?
[19:47] <AfonsoHenriques> gui
[19:47] <AfonsoHenriques> abstract my lack of english typing skills
[19:47] <methuzla> the server should just run in the background, it sounds like it's starting a client session on boot
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[19:48] <AfonsoHenriques> Yes.
[19:48] <methuzla> what happens if you kill that client session?
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[19:49] <AfonsoHenriques> I just cant. tried to ctrl+alt+f2/f3 etc, doesnt work.
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[19:50] <methuzla> is there an "exit" or "end game" option in one of the menus?
[19:50] <AfonsoHenriques> Not in the server.
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[19:51] <methuzla> guess i'm nut sure. maybe theres a gui aspect to the server?
[19:51] <AfonsoHenriques> I'll try to delete the bash inside rc.local from SD reader.
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[19:52] <AfonsoHenriques> If it doesnt work, I wipe this
[19:52] <AfonsoHenriques> cute thing out
[19:52] <AfonsoHenriques> thanks
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[19:59] <Voop> AfonsoHenriques: theres got to be a command somewhere starting it on boot
[19:59] <Voop> rc.local is the main place it would be but there are a few others
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[20:02] <python476> hey there
[20:02] <python476> anybody using dvblast on rpi ?
[20:02] <AfonsoHenriques> which command you suggest?
[20:02] <python476> if so do you compile it from scratch yourself or is there a binary build ?
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[20:09] <Voop> AfonsoHenriques: one in rc.local that starts the server
[20:09] <Voop> do you remember how you installed it in the first place
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[20:21] <python476> b
[20:21] <python476> oops
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[20:54] <Rob235> raspian is installing! first rpi
[20:55] <Rob235> any tips?
[20:56] <Voop> dont expect good web browsing
[20:57] <Rob235> using it as a web server
[20:57] <Rob235> for my drawing robot
[20:58] <red9> web server = will load the system
[20:58] <Rob235> so?
[20:58] <Rob235> love how everyone just shits on everything instantly, gotta love IRC...
[20:58] <red9> robot = likes low latency etc.. ; So go for a dedicated program with a API such that clients can interact directly.
[20:59] <Rob235> web sockets are fine
[20:59] <ali1234> drawing robot probably doesn't care about latency
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[20:59] <ali1234> it's not like you are controlling it directly, i assume
[20:59] <red9> Rob235, reality sucks.
[20:59] <ali1234> rather uploading an image for it to draw
[20:59] <Rob235> and its not feeding commands from the rpi
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[20:59] <Rob235> its using a web server to create gcode type files and upload to the sdcard
[20:59] <red9> well uploading will eliminate the latency issue.
[21:00] <ali1234> btw we used to call those plotters
[21:00] <Voop> > asks for tips
[21:00] <Voop> > gets mad at tips
[21:00] <Rob235> I will have an interface to feed commands but for general stuff its just uploading files, I want to be able to test it with raw commands sent over websockets though
[21:00] <Rob235> it is a plotter, who cares
[21:00] <red9> But a web server is more or less like a combine harvester. Can handle loads but is sluggish.
[21:01] <ali1234> it will work fine
[21:01] <Rob235> I know it will
[21:01] <ali1234> i wouldn't use apache though
[21:01] <Rob235> im not
[21:01] <Rob235> havent used node but im gonna give it a shot since theres a bunch of libraries for spi and other gpio stuff
[21:01] <ali1234> i would use flask
[21:02] <ali1234> python spi and gpio libraries are more mature
[21:02] <Rob235> I dont want python
[21:02] <Rob235> I'm good with js
[21:02] <red9> Also beware of loggin to flashmemory = wear.
[21:03] <Rob235> my website is already half done, Im not switching to python now, it will work fine
[21:04] <Rob235> this also makes all the heavy lifting on client side easy
[21:05] <Rob235> red9 : thanks, thats a tip worth looking into
[21:08] <red9> js might use a lot of CPU and does have weak typing.
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[21:09] <Rob235> well server side there isnt much, client side does the image processing and file conversions
[21:09] <Rob235> and thats basically all the pi is there to do, be the web server
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[21:13] <devilchaos> can the pi talk to a pycom fipy via gpio headers?
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[21:13] <devilchaos> e.g to send python scripts to it
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[21:19] <maarhart`> I am using mythtv but I don't get the log from it. Are logs from applications disabled? If yes, how to enable them?
[21:20] <red9> pycom fipy?
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[21:21] <red9> maarhart, try this: touch rightnow.txt ; find / -newer rightnow.txt
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[21:26] <maarhart`> red9: it shows a lot of folders, but it does not save anything to rightnow.txt
[21:26] <maarhart`> red9: folders or files, not sure
[21:26] <maarhart`> was pycom fipy about my question?
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[21:31] <seek^126> hey guys, how to fix this character issue: https://imgur.com/a/WM6nb - i've set everything to utf8. on my phone it works but putty on my pc still shows it broken.. putty is also set to use utf8. how to fix it?
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> seek^126, all I see is coloured lines. what am I supposed to see?
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[21:48] <Voop> i want rainbow text on my terminal...
[21:48] <seek^126> in the top line you see coloured boxes instead of proper characters
[21:49] <seek^126> 1. line 2-4 character are not displayed properly
[21:50] <seek^126> has to be some putty issue.. idk..
[21:50] <Voop> is it the size of the window
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> seek^126, have you run raspi-config to set keyboard/locale ?
[21:50] <seek^126> yep. locales are setuo
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> e.g. mine is: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
[21:51] <seek^126> same for me
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> well, most odd. I've never seen anything print coloured lines, etc. rather than plain text.
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[21:53] <seek^126> well thats the pihole -c command. its prints a coloured asci letters.. but for some reason it cant display all characters
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> ok. well I can't replicate it, not running pihole.
[21:55] <seek^126> sry. not ascii. its just large letters out of ordinary text
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[22:22] <JessicaRN> hey folks. I got booted earlier. Sorry if someone tried to respond to my earlier questions.
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[22:24] <JessicaRN> The building my office is in has a public wifi for internet access. I want to configure a rpi3 to connect to the public wifi and bridge to my own wifi network so I can firewall between me and the rest of the building.
[22:25] <JessicaRN> I've previously gotten this working on a rpi2 w/ wheezy, but on my rpi3 running stretch I can't seem to use both interfaces at the same time.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> there is no reason you can't use wi-fi and ethernet at the same time.
[22:25] <JessicaRN> wifi > public access, eth0 to my only local lan
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> however the default network configuration mechanisms may not easily support it.
[22:26] <JessicaRN> gordonDrogon: yeah, i know there is no reason. I just cant get it to work...
[22:26] <Voop> wifi > ethernet or wifi > wifi
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> my solution would be to remove all network manager things and go back to /etc/interfaces.
[22:26] <JessicaRN> public internet > rpi wifi ~ bridged ~ rpi eth0 > private lan
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> including removing dhcpd5 or whatever it is.
[22:27] <JessicaRN> I've started with a new stretch. it's basically factory
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[22:28] <JessicaRN> is there any walkthru for something like this that you know of?
[22:28] <Voop> there are plenty of tutorials for this
[22:29] <Voop> not sure how many are compatible with the current os version
[22:29] <JessicaRN> I would love a suggestion for one. I've looked and cant find one for stretch
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[22:31] <JessicaRN> and the one I used for wheezy isn't working
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[22:32] <Voop> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/81486/raspberry-pi-wifi-to-ethernet-bridge-for-a-server
[22:32] <Voop> are those instructions current?
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[22:33] <ShorTie> never found "a" tutorial that works, normally need to morph 3or 4
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[22:34] <JessicaRN> ty. I'll give it a try. I lose con to irc when connecting to the rpi during the build, so I'll be back when I have more questions. Again tyvm
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[22:34] <skurksimon> my cron jobs don't run and i have no idea why
[22:35] <skurksimon> * * * * * /usr/bin/test.sh
[22:35] <skurksimon> and i have execute permission on the file
[22:35] <skurksimon> I can run test.sh manually without problems
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[22:40] <HanSooloo> has anyone compiled new VLC3 with hardware acceleration? are they any good guides?
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[23:09] <larsks> skurksimon: In which crontab is your job? If you capture the output (> /path/to/a/logfile 2>&1), do you see anything useful? If you look at the system logs, do you see any evidence that cron is trying to run the job?
[23:09] <larsks> ...and what is in /usr/bin/test.sh?
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[23:11] <skurksimon> #!/bin/bash
[23:11] <skurksimon> echo "Test 123"
[23:12] <skurksimon> is in test.sh
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[23:15] <stiv> cron normally sends output as mail to user who ran the job
[23:15] <skurksimon> hmm, im finding this in the syslog after it attemps to do a cron job
[23:15] <skurksimon> CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output
[23:16] <Voop> i assume the answer is "really bad" but would emulating windows on an rpi be?
[23:16] <Voop> i just want to run one application
[23:16] <Voop> but how bad*
[23:16] <stiv> MTA is either Metropolitan Transit Authority or Mail Transfer Agent. likely no mail system installed
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[23:16] <skurksimon> larsks: i just typed crontab -e to add jobs
[23:17] <Habbie> Voop, what's the app?
[23:17] <larsks> skurksimon: sounds like your job is probably generating errors that are getting discarded. If you use the output direction I suggested you could capture those errors to a file.
[23:17] <Voop> the app just connects to a device and gets its status
[23:17] <Voop> not very taxing on cpu
[23:18] <Habbie> try it, then
[23:18] <skurksimon> larsks: ill try it, thanks
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[23:37] <r3> skurksimon: I've used this list to troubleshoot cron before (see first answer): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22743548/cronjob-not-running
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[23:38] <Voop> im stupid
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[23:38] <Voop> couldnt figure out why vnc wasnt working for like a half hour
[23:38] <Voop> raspbian lite installed
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[23:54] <ebarch> SSH: VNC for the CLI :P
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