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IRC Log for 2018-04-17

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[0:00] <stiltr> As long as you have the file name, I don't think there would be any performance difference with regard to folder structure.
[0:00] <stiltr> I'm not expert on the matter though.
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[0:01] <Siorai> So there's a harm reduction organization I'm a part of, called Dancesafe, and we do some on site substance testing and parter with a site called ecstasydata.org who's has one of the only liscences to ever be given to a non-government-related lab to legally handle even schedule 1 substances here in the US.
[0:02] <Siorai> Anyway, I'm in the process of scraping their database to make a local copy to use at music festivals when there's no internet and I need to reference the information they have.
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[0:03] <Siorai> I'll add that the websites for both of those are probably not NSFW ( drug related )
[0:03] <stiltr> Sounds like a good organization. = )
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[0:03] <ebarch> wow, that's awesome. props to you and the org
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[0:05] <Siorai> It's been a fun project to tackle with the raspberry pi for sure.
[0:06] <Siorai> have it up as a secure wireless AP, even finagled a real valid https certificate that still validates when we're in the middle of nowhere and no internet access.
[0:07] <ebarch> Siorai: not sure if it's outside of scope...but I could see a mirror of Erowid as being quite handy as well
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[0:09] <ebarch> if you want to go all out, you could also setup your own cell tower using OpenBTS/YateBTS and make it available as an SMS service :P
[0:10] <ebarch> i know they do that at burning man. obviously a lot of work/effort, though
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[0:31] <FatalNIX> Hey guys, I'm trying to connect this pi to wifi from a serial console, and nmtui appears to be broken even if I use screen to help with any weird ncurses issues, etc. I don't want to switch toa different system for confuguring the network and I notice that network manager doesn't seem to edit wpa_supplicant's config.. what are my options?
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[0:38] <stiltr> FatalNIX: What about nmcli?
[0:40] <kenden> stiltr: I solved my kernel/modules mismatch problem... it turned out I was booting from a boot partition on my SD card then mounting a boot partition on a USB HDD to /boot. Turns out that that's "Not A Good Thing" (TM)
[0:41] <stiltr> kenden: Oh, that would do it! Good catch. haha
[0:42] <kenden> stiltr: i felt a bit silly, but glad I got it fixed!
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[0:43] <stiltr> We've all been there. = )
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[0:50] <FatalNIX> oh nvm I can't use wireless anyways
[0:50] <FatalNIX> it's not a 3B+ and this is a 5Ghz only network
[0:50] <FatalNIX> lol
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[0:51] <stiltr> Haha, there you go.
[0:51] <FatalNIX> hmm.
[0:52] <FatalNIX> One weird thing is, either the pi or my laptop has crossover autodetect, meaning that it will reverse the tx / rx pairs on the ethernet if it detects a null modem type of setup
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[0:52] <FatalNIX> and if I set the ip address in a subnet that matches another ip on my laptop they can't ping eachother
[0:52] <FatalNIX> it's a little strange
[0:54] <stiltr> Pretty much everything these days will auto-crossover. I'd double check your IP settings. That should work ok.
[0:55] <FatalNIX> route on pi looks like: 192.168.174.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 202 0 0 eth0 , and the route on the laptop looks like 192.168.174.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 100 0 0 eth0
[0:55] <FatalNIX> laptop is .1 and pi is .2, it should work
[0:57] <stiltr> Are you connected to WiFi on the latop? Or another network with that subnet?
[0:58] <puff> I'm coding up a little rpi thing where I need to periodically fetch an updated version of this data set via HTTP/JSON, parse it, save it as a CSV file. I just added saving the raw JSON from each request for debugging purposes, but obviously this will fill up the disk eventually. I'm saving it in /tmp now, which I think gets cleared out on reboot, but that depends on the flavor of unix. Is there a better way to do this?
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[1:00] <Robdgreat> puff: what's your objective?
[1:00] <CarlFK> fill up the disk, duh. :)
[1:00] <stiltr> You could have a cron job clear out the folder every so often. Seems like leaving the debug requests on probably isn't a great long-term strategy.
[1:01] <FatalNIX> stiltr: yes, but completely different subnet
[1:02] <FatalNIX> the masks do not conflict
[1:02] <FatalNIX> and the routing table looks good
[1:02] <puff> Robdgreat: Supporting debugging
[1:02] <FatalNIX> guess what
[1:02] <FatalNIX> it randomly started working
[1:02] <FatalNIX> I think ARP was just being VERY slow
[1:02] <CarlFK> puff: logrotate(8) - Linux man page https://linux.die.net/man/8/logrotate
[1:02] <puff> Robdgreat: Unfortunately the system being queried is... complex, and the people changing data in the system don't always change it right.
[1:03] <stiltr> FatalNIX: Huh, strange...
[1:03] <FatalNIX> it's happened before
[1:03] <Robdgreat> puff: I meant as far as data retention
[1:04] <puff> Robdgreat: Not having it break things by filling up the disk.
[1:04] <CarlFK> puff: no one wants to ever read log files. what you are working with is log files. treat it like a log file and your life will be simpler.
[1:04] <puff> CarlFK: Good point.
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[1:05] <ebarch> puff: would add some cost. but you could get an external USB drive (spinning/magnetic) and go nuts on debug data. since it wouldn't be on the SD card, you wouldn't have to worry about wear damage to the card
[1:05] <puff> Robdgreat: basically, a lot of ID10T errors, but people tend to not trust my code (or anyone's code), so I want to make it so they can see the raw data for themselves and see that they didn't put it into the remote system properly, instead of calling me :-)
[1:06] <ebarch> heck. even 1TB flash drives are $20 these days
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[1:07] <ebarch> eh, those might be garbage actually. still, $50 for a 256GB sandisk flash drive. or $50 for a 1TB spinning drive.
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[1:11] <Li> Is it possible to use any of rPi3 UART, SPI or I2C busess to connect to usb camera? if so which one does and why?
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[1:13] <ebarch> Li: those likely wouldn't help you in terms of a camera. but that's what the camera connector port is for. why not just use the USB ports?
[1:14] <ebarch> USB works for cameras. but you'll get better performance out of a Pi Cam connected to the CSI port
[1:19] <puff> Is it possible to "sniff" a serial port connection? Or would I essentially have to just code up a logging proxy? Or is there a well-known tool for such?
[1:20] <ebarch> puff: what do you mean by "sniff"? it's just an rx and a tx data line. you can always splice into it
[1:22] <Li> ebarch: I don't have usb cable , that is why
[1:24] <stiltr> Li: Without a USB cable how would you connect to the camera at all?
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[1:25] <Li> why rPi fails when I run usb camera and gps dongle at the same time, /dev/video0 disconnects and mplayer hangs up then when I try again I find the device names changed to /dev/video1 and no longer possible to play with mplayer
[1:25] <Li> stiltr: it's ok, I just wanted to know if it's possible keep a usb port for other usages
[1:25] <ebarch> sounds like you need a USB hub
[1:26] <stiltr> ^^that
[1:26] <Li> no big thinking, the people from #electronics did answered and I found out that usb speed is higher than those busess
[1:26] <Li> ebarch: not really, even though I have one but I'm trying reduce rather than increasing costs
[1:27] <ebarch> you'll definitely get better performance from a Pi camera. that would free up a USB port
[1:28] <Li> do you have 12MP pi camera?
[1:28] <ebarch> the official cam is 8MP
[1:28] <ebarch> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/camera-module-v2/
[1:29] <ebarch> MP isn't everything, though. the lens/optics make a huge difference when comparing cameras
[1:29] <Li> not enough for my greediness
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[1:30] <ebarch> it's all about tradeoffs. you might get higher MP over USB. but much lower framerates.
[1:31] <Li> did you guys try this Android things on rPi?
[1:31] <Li> https://developer.android.com/things/hardware/raspberrypi.html
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[2:01] <puff> ebarch: I'm reverse engineering support for an existing protocol.
[2:01] <puff> ebarch: splice?
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[2:01] <puff> ebarch: So I want to watch the existing protocol in action, see actual examples of messages in use, etc. Analogus to using tcpdump to sniff a network protocol.
[2:02] <stiltr> puff: Physically splice into the wires and run it to a second serial port.
[2:02] <ebarch> puff: a serial link is just two data wires. as long as you can read the voltages, you have the data. so you can easily tap into any serial line by looking at those voltages
[2:02] <ebarch> if it's 3.3V, just tie it into the Pi's serial port. otherwise, just need a level shifter
[2:03] <ebarch> any serial console/program should be able to read out what's going across the wire. many programs also have a "logging" feature
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[2:22] <puff> ebarch, stiltr: Cool, thanks.
[2:23] <ali1234> the trouble with that method is you can only see half of the protocol
[2:23] <ali1234> the right way to do it is with a logic analyser
[2:24] <ali1234> they can be bought for as little as $5
[2:24] <puff> ali1234: aha.
[2:24] <puff> The existing system is running on windows 7 and using serial port via COM. I was planning on plugging a pi into the serial port but now I'm beginning to think I may have to code something up to run on the winbox (god help me).
[2:25] <ali1234> run windows in virtual box and you can sniff the virtual com port
[2:26] <puff> Hm, not sure if that'll be feasible but I'll look into it.
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[2:27] <puff> ebarch: about cameras, mp and lenses, I like to say "It's all about the photons..."
[2:27] <Johnjay> puff: i have windows 7 and a serial port and a raspberry pi as well coincidentally enough
[2:28] <ebarch> ali1234: how do you figure you only see half the protocol? if you tap RX/TX, you'll see everything
[2:28] <ebarch> the Pi would be doing the same thing as the logic analyzer...
[2:29] <ali1234> ebarch: the pi only has one receive line. which of the two serial lines will you connect it to? you can only pick one
[2:29] <puff> Johnjay: Interesting.
[2:30] <Johnjay> what project are you working on?
[2:30] <puff> what does the logic analyzer do?
[2:30] <puff> Johnjay: Building an adapter for a customer.
[2:30] <ali1234> logic analyzer just samples the pins very very fast and then figures out the meaning with software
[2:31] <ali1234> you can do this with the rpi gpio, but it isn't as good as a proper logic analyzer
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[2:31] <puff> ali1234: How do you access the data from the logica analyzer?
[2:31] <ebarch> ali1234: ah, my bad. I was thinking the Pi would be involved in the comms. but you're right if you're trying to tap an existing connection. you could bit bang it. but yeah, not ideal
[2:32] <ebarch> puff: something like https://www.saleae.com/ has a slick GUI for decoding several protocols (including UART/serial)
[2:32] <ebarch> works with mac/linux/win
[2:32] <ali1234> and you can buy saleae clones from china for literally $5
[2:33] <ebarch> you could also add USB serial ports to the Pi for cheap as well
[2:33] <ali1234> that would probably be a good idea since that would be compatible with 12V signalling of a PC serial port, which you will need anyway
[2:34] <ebarch> if I'm tapping 3.3V lines, I'm partial to a teensy (or Arduino Pro) which have several serial ports
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[2:34] <ali1234> the best way to do this would be with virtualbox though
[2:34] <ali1234> you can do it entirely in software with one serial port
[2:35] <stiltr> There are also products like this https://www.eltima.com/products/serial-port-monitor/
[2:35] <ali1234> it's a trick which works for USB as well
[2:35] <ebarch> heh. tldr; many ways to skin a cat
[2:35] <stiltr> Pretty much. = )
[2:35] <JessicaRN> hey all. what is the proper way to do ifup and ifdown in stretch?
[2:35] <ali1234> you run linux as the host and windows as the guest, and install the driver for the device in windows, and then of course linux can spy on anything that goes between the guest and real hardware
[2:36] <JessicaRN> ifdown --force wlan0
[2:36] <ebarch> JessicaRN: sudo systemctl stop networking && sudo systemctl start networking
[2:36] <Johnjay> hey a guy doing raspberry pi projects that actually lists the parts he uses in the description? AMAZING
[2:36] <ali1234> this is how a lot of the drivers in linux were written in fact
[2:36] <Johnjay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cc4eLAOMk
[2:36] <Johnjay> ali1234: I've always wanted to do something like that but never learned how
[2:36] <JessicaRN> ebarch: ty. I thought there was a diff command for it. is there another way?
[2:37] <ebarch> it's linux, so I'm sure :P that's what I usually use, though
[2:37] <JessicaRN> i just want to bounce wlan0, not the whole net
[2:37] <ebarch> oh gotcha
[2:37] <ebarch> ip link set dev <interface> down
[2:37] <ebarch> ip link set dev <interface> up
[2:39] <JessicaRN> what about "ifconfig wlan0 down"?
[2:39] <ebarch> ifconfig is no longer included in stretch. but it does the same thing
[2:39] <ebarch> ip is the "new way"
[2:39] <JessicaRN> tu
[2:40] <ebarch> actually I might be mis-remembering. I know debian stretch doesn't ship with ifconfig. raspbian might, still
[2:40] <JessicaRN> I don't know why we need "new ways" when the old ways worked.
[2:40] <ebarch> see: gnome 3, systemd, etc :P
[2:40] <JessicaRN> ebarch: if there a force option with ip?
[2:42] <ebarch> not that I'm aware of. might want to check the man page to double check, though
[2:42] <JessicaRN> ebarch: I meant "is there"
[2:42] <JessicaRN> ty
[2:42] <stiltr> JessicaRN: Yes, but it means something different. (Don't terminate on errors in batch mode)
[2:42] <JessicaRN> So, this is what I'm trying to do: http://alexba.in/blog/2015/01/14/automatically-reconnecting-wifi-on-a-raspberrypi/
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[2:45] <stiltr> JessicaRN: The comments on that page agree with what ebarch said.
[2:45] <JessicaRN> so, i shoulda rtfm a bit more? sorry
[2:45] <stiltr> = )
[2:45] <ebarch> IRC is a partial manual of flawed humans attempts to recall things they once read
[2:46] <ebarch> attempting*
[2:46] <ebarch> ^ my point exactly
[2:46] <stiltr> Haha, well said.
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[2:47] <JessicaRN> ok, so I just replaced the ifup and ifdown statments with ebarch's. I'll give that a try. tyvm for your help. next time I'll rtfm
[2:47] <ebarch> thanks for asking the questions. it's fun trying to remember this stuff =)
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[2:48] <Johnjay> i'm still trying to figure out what this serial adapter thing is for the nanopi
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[2:48] <Johnjay> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/PSU-Onecom-TTL-RS232-conventer-suit-for-NanoPi2-RaspberryPI-other-FriendlyARM-Board/32559318299.html
[2:48] <JessicaRN> off to dinner. hopefully my net will stay up in the meantime. ciao
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[2:48] <stiltr> JessicaRN: Best of luck!
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[2:49] <ebarch> Johnjay: looks like it adapts +/- 12V serial (RS232) signals to 0-3.3V (TTL) signals. the nanopi can't handle anything not 0-3.3V
[2:49] <stiltr> Johnjay: It's essentially a level shifter.
[2:50] <stiltr> Beat me to it! haha
[2:50] <ebarch> :P
[2:50] <Johnjay> ah ok. i thought maybe it would work also with a raspi
[2:50] <Johnjay> since the raspi can't do 12V either
[2:51] <ebarch> Johnjay: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/communication-1068/serial-1075/modmypi-serial-hat-rs232
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[2:51] <Johnjay> cool, i'll file that URL away for later ebarch
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[2:58] <JessicaRN> ebarch: 'nuther question. After I bounce wlan0, do I need to do something extra to get it to reconnect to my router? rerun dhcpcd or something?
[2:59] <JessicaRN> (and this time I looked at the comments!)
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[3:00] <ebarch> that's a good question. normally I'd think not. but if it isn't working, that's certainly something to try. you could also restart the whole networking stack for fun (if all else fails). if that fixes it, you know another service needs to be restarted
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[3:01] <ebarch> it seems like linux networking dramatically changes from year to year. I can hardly remember all the services unless I have to look something up, heh.
[3:02] <JessicaRN> ebarch: umm, so what would I put under the "ip link set ..."? just "dhcpcd"?
[3:02] <ebarch> nah, you'd do that through systemd
[3:02] <ebarch> i.e. sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd
[3:03] <JessicaRN> whats the syntax for putting it in that file i referenced earlier? I wouldn't use sudo in that would I?
[3:04] <ebarch> looks like that blog post shows running the script under root's cron. so yeah. you just put all the commands in there _without_ sudo
[3:04] <JessicaRN> ty. sorry for being such a noob
[3:05] <ebarch> hey, this is how we learn
[3:05] <JessicaRN> thx again. if this doesn't fix it I'll have to shelve it til wednesday. take care!
[3:06] <ebarch> good luck =)
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[3:42] <dogbert2> not much ph33r: Uptime 2 days 47 minutes
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[8:10] <Curi0> Has anyone been able to run ARM Windows 10 on the Raspberry Pi 3 ?
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[8:44] <CarlFK> 2018-03-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.zip (so no x) and a few boot/config.txt tweeks and I have it displaying the ... rainbow? image: https://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com/static/temp/pi-test-splash-v0.0.4-197-gdaf33bc.png
[8:44] <CarlFK> does that image have a name?
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[8:47] <CarlFK> I am sshed in, trying to replace the colors with something else, like with fbi : https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2017/02/how-to-display-images-on-raspbian-command-line-with-fbi/ fbi - Linux framebuffer imageviewer
[8:48] <CarlFK> ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Inappropriate ioctl for device (not a linux console?)
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[8:50] <CarlFK> "That is obviously no problem for console logins, but any kind of a pseudo tty (xterm, ssh, screen, ...) will not work."
[8:50] <CarlFK> oh.
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[15:43] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using Raspbian installed using noobs. How do I force resolution to 1920by 1080 ?
[15:44] <CarlFK> john_rambo: on boot or running a command?
[15:44] <john_rambo> CarlFK, On boot
[15:44] <CarlFK> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md
[15:45] <CarlFK> in /boot/config.txt hdmi_mode=82
[15:46] <CarlFK> I just stared poking at this a day ago, not sure if you will need to set hdmi_group too. I would start with just _mode.
[15:47] <john_rambo> CarlFK, Rebooting ...BRB
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[15:51] <john_rambo> CarlFK, Didn't work ... I still have a black border on all 4 sides
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[15:52] <CarlFK> john_rambo: run fbset - that will tell you what the pi is sending (I think)
[15:52] <john_rambo> Rebooting again ..
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[15:53] <CarlFK> use a CRT, it will eat the black bars. problem solved.
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[15:56] <john_rambo> Fixed the resolution issue ...Now I wan raspbian to ask for the sudo password when sudo is used ...How to achieve this?
[15:56] <john_rambo> want*
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[15:59] <shauno> remove /etc/sudoers.d/010_pi-nopasswd (or comment out the only line it contains)
[16:00] <GrandPa-G> I need a inexpensive 2 motors for a kids school rc-car project. Am in US. Need 1-2 days delivery. No more than 9v. high enough torque to turn wheels. Ideas?
[16:00] <john_rambo> shauno, If I do that will auto login be disabled ?
[16:01] <shauno> I'm not actually sure how autologin is setup on the pi. that should just stop the user 'pi' being able to use sudo with no passwd
[16:01] <john_rambo> Okay/Thanks
[16:01] <shauno> easy enough to find out though. just move the file somewhere else, restart, and see if autologin breaks. if it does, move it back
[16:01] <john_rambo> Okay
[16:05] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: in #pumpingstationone (09:04:44 AM) `justin: but i would probably just buy something off sparkfun or adafruit
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[16:06] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: you should /join there and talk to him. he runs robot competitions. and is helpful. and keeps asking me questions about your car ;)
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[16:07] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: (09:07:25 AM) Nerobro: https://www.adafruit.com/product/154?gclid=Cj0KCQjwttbWBRDyARIsAN8zhbLKczuWFL34rg2R9E2p8LeQKV8X0PbG_jKqi2Ag4hy8zArfy6zSCa8aAhWqEALw_wcB
[16:08] <CarlFK> (sorry onlookers for the spam, it's about 1/10 what I am getting flooed with. dang helpful friends...
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[16:09] <GrandPa-G> CarlFK:interesting but doesn't look easy to connect to wheel.
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[16:09] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: don't tell me, tell my helpful friends
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[16:17] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: you should /join #pumpingstationone - they won't stop asking me questions
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[17:12] <Nerobro> I hear someone is trying to do the r/c car thing... well robot thing.
[17:12] <Nerobro> and were looking for some motor advice?
[17:13] <CarlFK> GrandPa-G: ^^^
[17:14] <Nerobro> I need to know a little more about the mission, but if it's just hualing a pi+battery+ssensor or few.. continious rotation servo motors are pretty cool for that sort of thing. If you need to move "more" we need to talk about how much more.
[17:14] <CarlFK> told you they wouldn't shut up :p
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[17:55] <Anthaas> So, I cocked up - I have an error in my user's .profile - but the RPi is now only booting into emergency mode
[17:55] <Anthaas> How can I access the .profile to fix it?
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[18:18] <Anthaas> nvm, fixed it
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[18:20] <john_rambo> I want to install sylpheed coz claws-mail is not working with my Gmail account ...Is Sylpheed available in the Raspbian repos ?
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[18:30] <krystianbajno> Hello, is usb pendrive used as a storage for raspberry pi based server a good idea?
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> is a usb pendrive used as a storage for any kind of server a good idea?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest not, but if you're on a budget, then make sure you keep backups...
[18:51] <CarlFK> pendrive = basic 8g - 1T thumb drive? (is 1t a thing yet? I could only find 512g on skim of my local store
[18:53] <Anthaas> Guys - have any of you had issues with .xsessionrc not being read?
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[18:56] <krystianbajno> CarlFK, any kind of pendrive, as I am kind of concerned about it's durability
[18:56] <krystianbajno> gordonDrogon, yeah thats what i thought
[18:56] <B0g4r7_> A USB flash drive will not be very fast. A hard drive or ssd would be better.
[18:57] <B0g4r7_> For light duty I guess it could work.
[18:57] <Fulgen> does an SSD really gives a speed improvement with a raspberry pi?
[18:57] <Fulgen> neither it has USB 3.x, nor SATA or PCI-E or whatever
[18:57] <Fulgen> (improvement compared to a HDD)
[18:58] <B0g4r7_> It probably would not be significantly faster in most use cases.
[18:59] <CarlFK> all media will fail someday. I suspect if you are using a pi you don't really care about how many years it will last
[19:00] <B0g4r7_> Make a RAID of flash drives, lol.
[19:00] <Fulgen> :D
[19:01] <Fulgen> RAID 10 ftw !
[19:03] * BurtyB setup RAID1 on root filesystem with SD cards a while ago on the Pi (tho it didn't use /dev/mmcblk1p1 to boot from tho sadly)
[19:04] <Fulgen> why on earth would someone need RAID1 on SD cards
[19:04] <Fulgen> (small SD cards)
[19:05] <BurtyB> because I could :)
[19:05] <BurtyB> it wasn't used I was just playing around with it
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[19:06] <B0g4r7_> If you look, there are stories out there about the RAID of floppy drives.
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[19:08] <Fulgen> :o
[19:08] <CarlFK> I have a 24 or maybe 48 port usb2 hub. I need to find a bucket of promotional thumb drives
[19:08] <BurtyB> it was quite slow too as reading seemed to be interleaved between mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 :/
[19:08] <Fulgen> :D
[19:09] <BurtyB> CarlFK, just don't try that on a Pi
[19:09] <Fulgen> why not, if it is seperately powered
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[19:09] <CarlFK> is there something worse I can do it on?
[19:10] <CarlFK> yes. the $500 fpga I work with.
[19:10] <CarlFK> hooking those two together will make someone cry.
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[19:11] <Fulgen> ô.o
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[19:12] <B0g4r7_> Yes, implementing a USB host controller in VHDL does sound worse. To say nothing of the higher layers.
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[19:16] <BurtyB> Fulgen, the Pi won't support that many active usb devices
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[19:20] <Fulgen> :o
[19:20] <NGC3982> i read VTOL
[19:20] <NGC3982> that would be interesting.
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[19:24] <willc> anyone have any luck with getting raspi+opencv+kinect working?
[19:24] * NGC3982 builds a lot of sensors.
[19:27] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon just so you know, there are some pending changes for the BCM driver to support changing mode/speed on a per-transaction basis to support this, and I've been working with kernel devs over on #bsdmips on EfNet regarding this.
[19:27] <shbrngdo> oops I meant to /msg that
[19:28] <shbrngdo> yeah FreeBSD's support for RPi is improving, ongoing effort from a handful of devs and I've thrown my own things in there
[19:29] <shbrngdo> willc - is there some kind of driver for kinect? because if you can't convert it into video for linux opencv might not be able to wrok with it. opencv uses gstreamer as I recall
[19:29] <shbrngdo> so basically you need gstreamer support for it
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[19:30] <willc> shbrngdo, yes, www.openkinect.org
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[19:31] <willc> so what I'm thinking of doing is installing ubuntu on the pi, and then connecting the sensor using openkinect (freenect), and sending the data base to a server that has opencv running
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[19:32] <willc> base = back*
[19:32] <shbrngdo> willc - if gstreamer is supported you should be able to test it with 'cheese'
[19:32] <shbrngdo> then you'll at least know the camera works
[19:33] <shbrngdo> I'm not sure how well you can set up a video server - I suppose you could use gstreamer to do that as well
[19:33] <willc> So I've been trying this, https://medium.com/@rosbots/ready-to-use-image-raspbian-stretch-ros-opencv-324d6f8dcd96
[19:34] <willc> but it only had opencv installed for 2.7 and now 3.5, so I'm rebuilding opencv
[19:34] <willc> Then I need to figure out a way of getting the kinect to work
[19:34] <shbrngdo> well an all-in-one image is easy to test if you don't mind making a different SD card for your Pi
[19:35] <shbrngdo> I'd just use apt-get or aptitude to install opencv which should haul in gstreamer and a few other dependencies...
[19:35] <shbrngdo> I'm guessing openkinect.org has deb packages or at least the source that you can build yourself
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[19:36] <willc> shbrngdo, yes, but it kept breaking in certain places
[19:36] <shbrngdo> but I wouldn't blast your current image by overwriting with "someone's 3rd party thing". Just sayin'
[19:36] <willc> I am in #openkinect, but it seems to be a ghost channel
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[19:36] <shbrngdo> heh
[19:36] <shbrngdo> yeah, abandonware then.
[19:36] <shbrngdo> or maybe not
[19:36] <willc> The title was last updated in 2013
[19:37] <shbrngdo> abandonware then
[19:37] <willc> for freenode that is
[19:37] <shbrngdo> oh I was thinking the code itself. maybe they hang out elsewhere [is there something on the site?]
[19:38] <shbrngdo> if it has a github repo you could create an issue and paste your errors there
[19:38] <shbrngdo> I would
[19:38] <shbrngdo> help out by reporting a bug
[19:38] <willc> It is starting to get messy that I'm having a lot of cross over conversations because of the nature of the beast; openkinect, ros, raspberrypi, opencv, python, et
[19:38] <willc> etc*
[19:39] <willc> i appreciate that you're taking time to converse about this shbrngdo
[19:40] <shbrngdo> no prob. my coffee is still taking effect
[19:40] <shbrngdo> and IRC averts boredom and helps to alleviate brain fog by doing something else for a bit
[19:45] <willc> from the make config file it looks like gstream is setup. I went in and enabled python 3 and running make again
[19:47] <shbrngdo> gstreamer simplifies a lot of complicated things for video
[19:48] <shbrngdo> I've mostly just toyed with it. a few years ago I used gstreamer to grab video from a USB camera, then only grab the 'red' pixels [after converting to RGB], and create a B&W jpeg file for each frame. it worked pretty well at 15fps, generating an image that went into a web page
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[20:00] <xerox123_> hi, i think a bad systemd update caused my commands to return 'illegal instruction', should it be safe to reboot? Running raspbian stretch
[20:00] <xerox123_> currently working on flashing a different microsd so i can mount the drive and backup all my files and stuff
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[20:03] <mfa298> xerox123_: 'Illegal Instruction' often means you've installed incompatible binaries possibly by adding an extra source to the apt config. that could mean the instal is very broken now.
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[20:04] <xerox123> ohhh
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[20:05] <xerox123> so my method of booting a different SD and grabbing all my stuff would most likely work?
[20:05] <Arlenx> hi, is there a free Text To Speech engine for raspberry pi?
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[20:06] <mfa298> probably, although I'm guessing as to the most likely cause of that sort of error (there might be other causes)
[20:06] <d0rm0us3> https://elinux.org/RPi_Text_to_Speech_(Speech_Synthesis)
[20:06] <mfa298> but that's probably the route I'd try
[20:06] <d0rm0us3> Arlenx, https://elinux.org/RPi_Text_to_Speech_(Speech_Synthesis)
[20:06] <Arlenx> d0rm0us3, thx,ill try that
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[21:00] <phil42> .
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[21:12] <willc> .
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[21:44] <dysfigured> struggling to come up with ideas for my pi that i can't already do with my laptop/desktop (both which already run linux), any suggestions?
[21:47] <willc> installing opencv+kinect
[21:47] <willc> on rpi
[21:47] <willc> if you figure it out, lemme know
[21:48] <willc> for python >3
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[21:53] <dysfigured> why would i want to do that
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[21:56] <red9> Low latency direct I/O is what the Pi will do but which a laptop/desktop will have a hard time with. PCI-e cards would impose serious latency issues.
[21:57] <red9> (so expansion will not really solve it, only move the problem)
[21:58] <DrJ> dysfigured: a lot of things you can use a pi for can in fact be done with a normal computer... however, the rpi uses a heck of a lot less power so that can make it a good choice over a pc
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[21:58] <red9> Low power usage is another aspect. Even though the standby power of the Pi is horrific. It's way lower than any laptop/desktop.
[21:59] <dysfigured> sure, i get that, but i live in an apartment and electricity is included in the bill, i'm not really concerned with power usage
[21:59] <dysfigured> i've just had this thing kicking around for a year or so and i want to *do* something with it
[21:59] <ali1234> some PCs can actually get close now
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[22:00] <DrJ> you can use the pi for things like a kodi box, a gaming system for old consoles
[22:00] <dysfigured> but trying to find a good use for it, that i can't already do with other hardware i have
[22:00] <dysfigured> i have a desktop hooked up to my tv that does all that already
[22:00] <ali1234> the strength of the Pi is in it's IO
[22:00] <d0rm0us3> Video Lan?
[22:01] <B0g4r7_> I wired up a string of ws2812b LEDs to a Pi. That was fun.
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[22:01] <shauno> I was about to say. wire it up to stuff. connect it to things that have to good reason to be connected to a computer. that's the fun. if you just treat it as an underpowered computer, you just get an underpowered computer
[22:02] <ali1234> kodi is better suited to those low power PCs i mentioned, in my opinion
[22:04] <ali1234> rpi is ideal for robotics, chip programming, signal hacking etc
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[22:32] <B0g4r7_> I keep meaning to try rpi-tx.
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[23:32] <fusa24> I'm using a Makerfocus Night vision camera connected to a Pi Zero, the daylight image is ok, but when it is dark there are random lines through the video, making it unwatchable. I have tried replacing the Pi Zero, power Supply and the camera, but its still the same problem
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[23:38] <Tenkawa> someone refresh my memory.. the zero-wh does still have bluetooth right?
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[23:39] <Tipping_Fedora> Tenkawa: iirc it does, but a quick google search wouldnt hurt
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[23:40] <Tenkawa> i did and all indications are yes but I cant tell which module to poll to figure out why its just "not there"
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[23:41] <Tenkawa> wifi works, the serial gadget does... the bt just seems to be gone
[23:41] <Tenkawa> no controller showing up in the kernel at al
[23:41] <Tenkawa> all
[23:43] <Tenkawa> hmmmm... think i may know why
[23:43] <Tenkawa> testing now
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[23:47] <Tenkawa> well i had a setting wrong but still didnt help
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[23:52] <dysfigured> 'regular debian' doesn't really work on the pi does it?
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