#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-04-21

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[0:34] <john_rambo> Is there a light weight browser capable of displaying FACEBOOK properly ?
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[0:35] <CoJaBo> john_rambo: Firefox is still probably your best bet there
[0:36] <CoJaBo> Quantum is way faster than older versions, at least. It runs just fine on a Pentium 4
[0:36] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, IS FF lighter that Chromium ? Chromium behaves very poorly
[0:37] <CoJaBo> FF Quantum will almost certainly run faster than Chromium now. The main slowdown will be RAM tho, so it probably won't be dramatically faster
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[0:37] <john_rambo> Okay/Thanks
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[0:37] <CoJaBo> Modern browsers pretty much consume the entire RAM of a pi just sitting idle <_<
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[0:38] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, In that case do u think FF is going to be of any use ?
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[0:39] <CoJaBo> john_rambo: I'd make sure to run it under a lightweight DE, but as long as your on one of the pis with a gig of RAM, it should be at least usable.
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[0:40] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, I am using Raspbin ... Pixel ? ...Installing FF now
[0:40] <CoJaBo> Newer pi's will do better than older ones. Might also be worth experimenting with zram if it's a 3/3B; I don't know if it would speed things up, and it might even slow them down, but it's something I've been meaning to try on mine
[0:40] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, I am using PI2
[0:42] <CoJaBo> Then zram would likely make things worse, so don't do that there lol
[0:45] <CoJaBo> john_rambo: Tuning the GPU RAM may also help; make sure it's not excessively high, and it'll free up a bit more RAM for the browser and other stuff.
[0:45] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, I havent done any tweaking ... Its all Raspbian default
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[0:47] <red9> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_%28web_browser%29
[0:48] <red9> Has trouble with some pages but works overall really good.
[0:48] <john_rambo> CoJaBo, I just realised that the FF in the repos is not Quantum but ESR
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[0:49] <red9> Another one tested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillo
[0:50] <red9> Though "Dillo does not support JavaScript, Java, Flash, right-to-left text, or complex text layout."
[0:50] <john_rambo> red9, I am using Netsurf atm but it cant display Facebook properly
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[0:52] <red9> Tip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_browsers
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[0:53] <ttgg> Hello, does anyone have a good guide for either using Motion with h264 for stream, or setting up a different h264 stream altogether? I'm looking for the fast live stream using the pi cam. I need fluid response, lower resolutions are fine, but with Motion and no h264 the best I can get is sub 720p with decent fps
[0:53] <ttgg> 720p to 1080p-ish cam stream with 30-60fps is my goal
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[0:54] <ttgg> Anyone have the fastest solution?
[0:54] <ttgg> fastest* in terms of FPS
[0:54] <ttgg> I don't care if it will take me an hour or two to setup
[0:54] <CoJaBo> john_rambo: There should be a way to get quantum; ESR is going to be much, much slower
[0:54] <red9> Create something like FreeBSD jail and then iterate through the browsers on that comparision list to find one suitable for your needs.
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[0:54] <CoJaBo> john_rambo: (unless it's the new ESR, which is Quantum; I think that should've come out by now?)
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[1:07] <prauat> Hi, anyone ever used ads1256 with ads7846 with rbpi?
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[1:24] <red9> prauat, It seems to be something like a SPI interface. So just use that? check with the datasheet for compabilities.
[1:24] <red9> ie timing diagrams.
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[1:31] <DrBenway> morning. running fdisk -l or blkid hang (they never finish. kernel task timeout) when using a usb powered external harddrive with different filesystem installed (hfsplus, ExFat). is there something that i can do to obtain more informations on why it's hanging or some extra information about what the error is?
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[1:39] <red9> USB is weak technology. Use proper connectors and interfaces (SAS / S-ATA / Ethernet etc)
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[1:45] <DrBenway> are you telling me that rpi can't handle a usb harddrive?
[1:45] <DrBenway> i mean sure it's not ideal but that's what i have to use
[1:46] <erm3nda> usb hdd need much more energy to work compared to a pendrive
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[1:47] <erm3nda> you may use a special power supply with 3A instead of a regular phone usb charger, which vary from 1.5 to 2.4A
[1:47] <erm3nda> i have problems even with a powered usb hub with 2.4A
[1:48] <DrBenway> the hd has its own power
[1:48] <erm3nda> that's another thing then
[1:49] <DrBenway> i use to have it working but i think i ran an upgrade and now something hangs
[1:49] <erm3nda> did u made any backup of the sd host before upgrade?
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[1:50] <DrBenway> nope... :(
[1:50] <erm3nda> cool
[1:50] <erm3nda> do it next time, just dd and save it
[1:50] <DrBenway> it was from whatever comes a few months before
[1:50] <DrBenway> yeah i've learned my lesson
[1:51] <DrBenway> i just had some extra modifications before backuping and had to start over
[1:51] <erm3nda> i know that backup a 320gb HDD is not easy as backup a 8/32gb scard :D
[1:51] <DrBenway> i can get away with backing up the rpi memory
[1:51] <erm3nda> i do backup it every time i spent more than 1h tweaking anything
[1:51] <DrBenway> the hd is just to provide data
[1:51] <DrBenway> next time... if i ever get it working again
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[1:52] <erm3nda> can't you just rebuild things again?
[1:53] <red9> Didn't know hdd did other things than provide data ;)
[1:53] <DrBenway> well thats what i did and now my harddrive is hanging fdisk -l and blkid
[1:53] <erm3nda> red9 dont be mad, he says it doesnt need to backup hdd, just sdcard with filesystem
[1:53] <DrBenway> so i can't mount it
[1:53] <prauat> red9: that are things I've figured so far, rice eaters from waveshare made AD/DA board and TFT touchscreen that is pinned to SPI0 which can only handle two slaves, so I need to connect AD/DA board with ads1256 as is on SPI0, and make overlay for touchscreen to move it on device tree to SPI1 which can hadle 3 slaves
[1:53] <DrBenway> the rest is working...
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[1:53] <erm3nda> DrBenway, does the hdd work in other computer?
[1:54] <DrBenway> yes
[1:54] <red9> If the Pi is supplying power to the external HDD. It's a bad idea because the peak demands may not be securely met by the Pi.
[1:54] <erm3nda> red9 him says hdd has it's own power supply
[1:54] <DrBenway> the hd is an external hd with its own power
[1:54] <erm3nda> so i can't figure out why should it hang...
[1:54] <DrBenway> i think i have some kind of callstack with dmesg
[1:54] <DrBenway> but it's not saying much
[1:54] <DrBenway> (that i can comprehend)
[1:54] <erm3nda> what's saying?
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[1:55] <erm3nda> dmesg log?
[1:55] <DrBenway> INFO: task systemd-udevd:160 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[1:55] <red9> USB-A connectors haven't impressed me as being solid. So they can cause hangs and data losses.
[1:55] <DrBenway> with a callstack
[1:55] <DrBenway> callstack in blkdev but i don't know much about the linux code
[1:55] <erm3nda> red9 you mean the socket itself?
[1:55] <red9> yep
[1:55] <erm3nda> female part or both?
[1:55] <red9> or rather the connection type.
[1:56] <DrBenway> actually, i get this one too earlier on
[1:56] <DrBenway> usb 1-1.2: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg
[1:56] <DrBenway> [ 366.553647] INFO: task scsi_eh_0:69 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[1:56] <red9> esp if worn, oxidated. Esp bad in humid regions.
[1:56] <erm3nda> DrBenway, which exact hdd o you have? i mean type of cable also
[1:57] <DrBenway> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/western-digital-wd-my-book-4tb-2-5-usb-3-0-external-hard-drive-wdbbgb0040hbk-nesn-wdbbgb0040hbk-nesn/10482142.aspx
[1:57] <erm3nda> otg?
[1:57] <erm3nda> which rpi do you use?
[1:57] <DrBenway> Linux raspberrypi 4.14.34-v7+ #1110 SMP Mon Apr 16 15:18:51 BST 2018 armv7l
[1:57] <DrBenway> hmmm... is there a command to list the version of the device?
[1:57] <DrBenway> whats otg?
[1:58] <prauat> red9: I think it's much easier to make overlay to move ads7846 to SPI1 and connect touchscreen trough wires to SPI1 pins
[1:59] <erm3nda> DrBenway, i mean raspberry pi 1, 2 ,3, zero ..
[1:59] <DrBenway> 3
[1:59] <DrBenway> let me double check
[1:59] <erm3nda> if it has builtin wifi it is 3
[1:59] <erm3nda> rpi2 doesnt have wifi
[1:59] <DrBenway> yeah 3
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[2:00] <DrBenway> yeap im pretty sure the usb dongle that's with it is not wifi but the disk
[2:00] <DrBenway> wifi must be built in
[2:00] <DrBenway> my guess is that it's having issues with my hfs file system or my ExFat
[2:01] <DrBenway> i'd just like to know which one
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[2:01] <erm3nda> well, i see that the power suply is totally apart from the usb cable, so it's ok, should not be a power issue, it is more usb conectivity problem
[2:02] <erm3nda> what i don't get is why says OTG, when you should be able to connect it via regular usb instead
[2:02] <erm3nda> which usb socket is you using to connect it?
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[2:02] <erm3nda> can you log dmesg and connect /disconnect to get fresh log?
[2:02] <DrBenway> there's 4 usb ports. i'm using the top left one
[2:02] <erm3nda> ok, you'r using a regular port
[2:02] <DrBenway> yeap
[2:02] <erm3nda> do you have more sdcards to try fresh raspbian?
[2:02] <erm3nda> you may copy things from one to the older
[2:03] <DrBenway> hmmm maybe
[2:03] <erm3nda> i think it's the easier way to do it
[2:03] <DrBenway> not sure what you mean
[2:03] <DrBenway> fresh install?
[2:03] <erm3nda> yes
[2:03] <DrBenway> thats what i just did
[2:03] <erm3nda> you said it broke things when updating
[2:03] <DrBenway> i could just retry it but that was fairly fresh
[2:03] <erm3nda> i mean to install the last raspbian that worked for you
[2:03] <DrBenway> ah... i guess fresh install without running upgrades
[2:04] <erm3nda> yes
[2:04] <erm3nda> install stuff, then make a copy
[2:04] <erm3nda> so you can start from this point till you got it working
[2:04] <erm3nda> or evey better, don't update if you don't need and it's hurting you
[2:04] <DrBenway> provided that fresh install works
[2:07] <Rob235> woops! I definitely need to redesign the pen holder... https://youtu.be/VIowsVaqhJA
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[3:30] <zumba_ad_> Good evening folks. Does usb to wifi adapter work with pi specifically pi zero? I'm looking at the listing here - https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=usb+to+wifi
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[3:51] <ghoti> zumba_ad_: I haven't done that myself, but I would expect it to work the same way with a zero as it does with any other pi.
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[3:56] <zumba_ad_> thanks!
[3:56] <ghoti> zumba_ad_: also, not wifi related but usb related, https://www.yepkit.com/products/ykush is awesome.
[3:57] <zumba_ad_> looking
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[3:58] <zumba_ad_> nice product
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[3:59] <ghoti> there are very very few USB hubs out there that support USB PPPC (i.e. via https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl). So the ykush is my go-to power controller for solar+battery systems that only need their USB devices powered periodically.
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[4:00] <zumba_ad_> nice setup!
[4:00] <ghoti> Including WiFi interfaces.
[4:00] <zumba_ad_> I'll save for it
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[4:24] <SpaceAce> hello hello
[4:24] <SpaceAce> i think i asked this a few days ago but i didn't get a reply - anyone found a good optical/SPDIF output solution for the pi?
[4:24] <SpaceAce> i just want to watch HD movies on kodi with 5.1 surround to my amp via optical
[4:25] <SpaceAce> i see there's a few hats around but i don't know what the quality is like
[4:26] <SpaceAce> I also have one of these things but have yet to test it
[4:26] <SpaceAce> https://www.amazon.ca/1080P-Optical-Extractor-Converter-Splitter/dp/B016A5UWDI/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_sims?ie=UTF8
[4:27] <gchcetiH> probably more likely to get a response posting on the forums
[4:27] <SpaceAce> good idea, thanks ghormoon
[4:27] <SpaceAce> gchcetiH,
[4:27] <SpaceAce> sorry
[4:27] <SpaceAce> :)
[4:27] <ground> If we're just talking sound valinks makes a nice usb sound card with optical out.
[4:28] <SpaceAce> how is the performance using a usb soundcard and also a usb hdd?
[4:28] <SpaceAce> on a Pi 3 B+
[4:29] <ground> It seems to cut the usb from around 2/30 megabytes per sec to 24/27
[4:29] <ground> er 27/30 that should be. Not really a big deal in my testing.
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[4:33] <ghoti> SpaceAce: I have an HDMI audio splitter like yours. Works beautifully. Does yours not work well?
[4:35] <SpaceAce> ghoti, I tried it quite a while back on my xbox and didn't have any luck. I'm about to test it with the pi - did you set it to PASS or 5CH on the back switch?
[4:35] <SpaceAce> *nintendo switch, not xbox
[4:36] <SpaceAce> also i have a powersupply that's 5V / 1.2A - the amps are too high by 0.2, does that matter?
[4:37] <ground> No, the more amps the better. The device will draw only what it needs.
[4:37] <SpaceAce> ghoti, do you use it with kodi and do you get full 5.1 surround?
[4:37] <ground> Just don't over volt..
[4:37] <SpaceAce> thanks ground :)
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[5:01] <ghoti> SpaceAce: I can't help with anything gaming-system-specific, sorry. And as for 5CH .. I'm only doing stereo at the moment.
[5:03] <ghoti> But as for the other, yes -- go hi on amps, go precise on volts. On a power supply, think of the volts as being pushed by the PS, and amps being are pulled by the device.
[5:03] <ghoti> pull too much, you burn out the power supply. Push too much, you burn out the device.
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[6:46] <john_rambo> What is the command to stream Youtube videos using youtube-dl and omxplayer ?
[6:49] <gchcetiH> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63632
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[6:57] <john_rambo> That link is quite complicated ... No solutions....Last time I searched I found a simple command ... Just cant find it this time
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[7:06] <gchcetiH> omxplayer -o alsa $(youtube-dl -f mp4 -g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw61gCe2oqI)
[7:06] <gchcetiH> c'mon
[7:06] <gchcetiH> why does everyone always quit?
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[10:37] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> Why would I need deb-src uncommented?
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[10:41] <ali1234> to get source code and build dependencies
[10:42] <ali1234> for recompiling packages
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[10:42] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> Oh. Why would they comment it out by default then? Seems useful
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[10:43] <ali1234> cos it slows down apt update
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[10:43] <ali1234> and most people don't need it
[10:43] <ali1234> but the real reason is cos debian did it
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[10:44] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> Ahh. I've never seen it commented out in a distro before, was jw
[10:44] <ali1234> it's commented in the next ubuntu LTS as well
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[10:44] <ali1234> i assume everyone is just following debian on this
[10:44] <ali1234> that's what usually happens
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[10:50] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> So one more "first things to do after install" step..
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[10:52] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> Pretty soon it's gonna be like keeping up with the number of "genders"
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[11:08] <sloth> THEY'VE ADDED ALL THE MONTY PYTHON TO NETFLIX
[11:09] <JimBuntu> ALL THE MONTY PYTHON?
[11:09] <sloth> yes
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[11:10] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> Never liked Monty python
[11:10] * JimBuntu activates screen recording and leaves society for a while... j/k
[11:11] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> I compare it to 3 stooges. Just with a more intelligent intent behind it
[11:11] <Fl4w1mm4n3nt> And screw netflix, just get showbox
[11:11] <JimBuntu> Fl4w1mm4n3nt, I'm about 50/50 on Monty Python. I like "Are you being served" about 95/100
[11:12] <JimBuntu> Sorry 50% Monty, 95% Are you being served, ignore previous figures
[11:12] * JimBuntu has never heard of showbox
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[11:21] <gordonDrogon> red9, wiringPi already runs under other Linuxes on the Pi - and on other fruit pi look-a-likes, however I only support Raspbian on the Pi.
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[11:48] <BCMM> there's a good yocto recipe for it these days
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[11:55] <tuxiano> Hi, could someone recommend a good power supply for a rpi3b+?
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[11:56] <tuxiano> Bought a RadBad 5V/3A power supply and I still get an undervoltage sign in the upper right corner of my monitor
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[11:56] <tuxiano> *RedBad
[11:56] <mlelstv> maybe you can improve the cable?
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[11:57] <tuxiano> The cable is fixed to the power supply
[11:57] <mlelstv> :-/
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[12:00] <mlelstv> I use this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VH8ZW02, but with one cable the 3b+ also showed undervoltage. Now using a short ~25cm cable and no problems.
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[12:01] <tuxiano> Thank you :-)
[12:02] <mlelstv> that power supply is oversized for a single rpi :) But it's already feeding a 3b and a 3b+ and maybe a third one in the near future.
[12:05] <JimBuntu> mlelstv, nt very "over-powered" at 2.4A per port. Either way,as you learned, it was a shotty cable with to thin of wires causing your issue. Nothing like bleeding power off as heat to ruin the day.
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[12:07] <mlelstv> a single pi doesn't drag 2.4A, not even 1A.
[12:07] <JimBuntu> mlelstv, lol.
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[12:08] <mlelstv> but the cable was probably not meant for even 0.5A :)
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[12:13] <ShorTie> tuxiano, a chromebook power supply which outputs 5.25v @ 3amp are best imho
[12:13] <ShorTie> the extra voltage is the biggy
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[12:14] <JimBuntu> Reduced voltage sag is ALWAYS a ++
[12:15] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[12:18] <ShorTie> and a switch is nice too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/LoveRPi-MicroUSB-Push-On-Off-Power-Switch-Cable-for-Raspberry-Pi-Female-to-Male/232704143784?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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[12:19] <JimBuntu> Yeah ShorTie they are! I think this kind of in-line switch started becoming popular around the time the PandaBoard was released by TI. Although, in that case it was a barrel plug that needed the switch.
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[12:26] <ShorTie> i got 2 flat tires on my car :(~
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[12:27] <MacGeek> same side?
[12:28] <MacGeek> the switch on my power supply is a bit confusing. in that those kind of latching switches usually have the button stay more depressed when latched in the "on" position, whereas mine seems to be exactly the opposite, the button pokes out more when it's on.
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[12:29] <ShorTie> both fronts, lol.
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[12:31] <MacGeek> the last time I got a puncture was in 2010
[12:31] <MacGeek> *knock on wood*
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[12:32] <ShorTie> got 4 brand new ones sitting at the tire shop, just gotta make it there .. :/~
[12:33] <MacGeek> and obviously it was a rear tyre, because no way I get a puncture in the less expensive ones
[12:33] <ShorTie> p215/70-15 white walls, hard to find, had to order them
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[12:34] <MacGeek> I had like less than 2k miles on the tyre
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[12:34] <JimBuntu> Dang ShorTie ! I recently had a puncture, local tire shop plugged it for free! They have won my general business now as the other players in town seem to try and rip me off for every other visit. Another place in town totally ripped me off about 20 years ago and I have not went back since, lol.
[12:34] <ShorTie> that snucks
[12:34] <MacGeek> still had to change the entire thing because the dealer would refuse to repair a high speed tyre
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[12:35] <JimBuntu> It was my fault though, as I gave complaint about the price they quoted... they assured me to check around and it will be the same, but I didn't check around, stupid young me. Since then, I do every repair myself that I can... but I don't put tires on wheels.
[12:35] <MacGeek> they even wanted me to get 2 new rears
[12:35] <MacGeek> I only got that one though.
[12:35] <ShorTie> those plugs aren't all there cracked up to be, hard to get it thru the same hole
[12:35] <MacGeek> they enlarge the hole when they plug it
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[12:40] <MacGeek> 215/70 R15 whitewalls sounds like a historic car
[12:41] <ShorTie> 1987 mercury grand merque station wagon
[12:42] <MacGeek> I wasn't aware they still used whitewalls in the late eighties
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[12:46] <tuxiano> ShorTie: Thanks, I'll check that power supply, too.
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[12:51] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[12:51] <ShorTie> got a pair of them actually
[12:53] <JimBuntu> Yeah, the plug isn't 100%. After about 1 month, we had to add air. I know that I will end up getting 2 new tires and a full-size wheel. I'll have them either replace 1 wheel with new and tire, or have them put 1 old tire on the new wheel so I have a full-size spare. This is basically the first time I have NOT had a full-size spare.
[12:53] <JimBuntu> Any cool car + Rpi gadgets?
[12:54] <JimBuntu> Pi as OBD via BT to Phone display could be cool.
[12:55] <ShorTie> to much $$$$'s for me, hehe
[12:57] <ShorTie> plugs always leak, good old patch is the best
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[13:05] <red9> JimBuntu, Any standalone ARM Cortex-M microcontroller could do the OBD<-->BT task. Pi is overkill.
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[13:05] <red9> Using the first alternative will save on space and energy requirement.
[13:06] <ali1234> probably harder to program though
[13:06] <JimBuntu> red9, yeah, but I want something that does more, OBD was the first thing I thought of, since it would let me replace my existing OBD device
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[13:10] <MacGeek> JimBuntu: I've seen a project turning a rpi3 into an android auto receiver, that could be interesting
[13:11] <MacGeek> https://github.com/f1xpl/openauto
[13:11] <JimBuntu> Thanks MacGeek , I'll check that out!
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[13:12] <MacGeek> http://getcrankshaft.com
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[17:23] <Johnjay> hmmmm
[17:23] <Johnjay> anybody have experience using raspberry pi as a full fledged router replacement?
[17:24] <Johnjay> how would that work?
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[17:27] <BurtyB> depends what you mean by full fledged router replacement
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[17:28] <Johnjay> BurtyB: as in it provides 3 ethernet jacks, runs on american DC 120V power outlets, and has 2.4Ghz band wireless lan support
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[17:29] <Taxicletter> Hello!
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[17:29] <Taxicletter> I have a question!
[17:29] <Taxicletter> I'm using Noobs with Kodi and Raspbian (full and lite) on RPI3 with HifiBerry
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[17:30] <Taxicletter> The HifiBerry DAC+ Pro works on Kodi, but NOT on the Raspbian OSes
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[17:30] <Taxicletter> So, I would like to browse and check the files on the Kodi-version from the Raspbian version.
[17:30] <Taxicletter> Is that possible?
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[17:31] <Taxicletter> I can only see files until the OS itself, not the other noobs installations
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[17:37] <akk> I don't know noobs, but you could try cat /proc/partitions and see if there are other mountable partitions on the SD card.
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[17:48] <Taxicletter> thank you akk!
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[17:50] <BurtyB> Johnjay, well you can add more USB nics or route between vlans on a switch that's just what linux does, docs are on the rpi site re setting up as an AP no idea about running on 120v dc tho
[17:50] <Johnjay> interesting thread on it: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=129519
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[17:53] <BurtyB> that's usb hubs so maybe a different thread?
[17:56] <Johnjay> yeah my bad
[17:56] <Johnjay> these things have to have their mac addresses changed, but they are cheap!
[17:57] <Johnjay> https://www.amazon.com/TOOGOO-Ethernet-Network-RJ45-Adapter/dp/B00CAMZVSC
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[18:00] <Kanerix> The new rpi 3 b+ looks neat.
[18:00] <Kanerix> Does anyone know what the average real-world idle power draw is? (Assuming booted into GUI, connected to wifi, and nothing else running)
[18:02] <Ether_Man> Kanerix, just under 2W
[18:02] <Kanerix> 400 mA
[18:03] <Kanerix> k
[18:03] <Kanerix> That's not bad
[18:03] <Ether_Man> or sorry, you said connected to wifi, a bit more then.
[18:03] <GenteelBen> Since Intel abandoned its ULVs there isn't anything in the 7W range. :( I don't count the Atoms due to their shitty architectures.
[18:03] <Ether_Man> No idea how much wifi draws. Don't use it myself :)
[18:03] <Kanerix> What activities draw the most power?
[18:03] <Kanerix> That's fine
[18:03] <GenteelBen> GPS, cellular
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[18:04] <GenteelBen> A HDD if he's got one attached (probably doesn't).
[18:04] <Kanerix> I don't think it has either GPS or cellular
[18:04] <Kanerix> I'm talking strictly about what's stock on the board
[18:04] <GenteelBen> Do you have RGB all over your Pi, Kanerix?
[18:04] <GenteelBen> Kanerix: probably the wifi module, then.
[18:05] <GenteelBen> Also depends what OS he's using.
[18:05] <GenteelBen> A smart OS will put the wifi device to sleep and only access it in bursts, overnight.
[18:05] <Kanerix> I'm kinda trying to determine whether I want to get the 3b+ based on what the power draws are
[18:06] <GenteelBen> Hmm, you mean compared to the regular 3B?
[18:06] <Kanerix> I have a 2 and a 3
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[18:06] <Kanerix> Yeah and I can't put out the full 2.5 amps that they recommend
[18:06] <GenteelBen> Well the biggest difference in the 3b+ is the new Ethernet-over-USB chipset, 300Mbit/s, IIRC.
[18:06] <Kanerix> but I reckon that's for a fully utilized machine
[18:06] <Kanerix> and 802.11ac
[18:06] <GenteelBen> Would it not be in the official specs?
[18:06] <Kanerix> and the new heat spreader and faster CPU
[18:07] <GenteelBen> It should list the peak power draw with the stock board.
[18:07] <Johnjay> eh i was really hoping for opengl 3.2
[18:07] <Kanerix> Yeah I'm not looking at peak power, though, because I don't intend to be using everything on it all at once
[18:07] <Johnjay> but there's some blurb about how the vcIV is the only chip they can use for reasons?
[18:08] <Ether_Man> Kanerix, well a 3B is about 1.5W idle without wifi, so it increased with about 0.5W for the + model. So should be fairly similar jump up there for your with wifi
[18:08] <Ether_Man> As in, if you have a 3B you can check on, just increase by .5W :)
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[18:08] <Kanerix> Okay, I can do half a watt extra
[18:08] <Kanerix> Thanks :)
[18:09] <Kanerix> I'm not going to be charging my phone through the USB ports >_>
[18:10] <Kanerix> Has anyone tried out the PoE support?
[18:10] * stiv notes that power problems are a constant theme here and assumptions about "that will never happen" are frequently wrong
[18:10] <Kanerix> Oh I'm well aware of the power problems
[18:10] <Kanerix> It's a severe challenge in my scenarios
[18:11] <mfa298> Kanerix: I doubt anyone has tried the onboard PoE yet as it needs a HAT thats not on sale yet.
[18:11] <Kanerix> Oh I thought it was released. Okay.
[18:11] <Kanerix> Thanks
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[18:12] <Kanerix> Is the heat spreader working out well for the new model?
[18:12] <mfa298> I thought it's probably out in May (although I've not looked for a week or two)
[18:13] <r3> I just use a PoE adapter
[18:14] <r3> but you asked about onboard, so no.
[18:14] <BurtyB> there's a poe hat on tindie for the pi3+ too
[18:14] <mfa298> cpc now lists July :( http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/rpi3-modbp-poe/poe-hat-for-raspberry-pi-3-model/dp/SC14884
[18:15] <Kanerix> How stable is PoE power in general?
[18:15] <Kanerix> Aww it has a cute little fan
[18:15] <mfa298> I've used a cheapy PoE splitter on some Pi's but it gave issues on the 3B+ as it only connected two pairs through to the Pi (so link wouldn't come up)
[18:15] <GenteelBen> Kanerix: it works well, unless it explodes.
[18:16] <GenteelBen> Thermonuclear reaction
[18:16] <GenteelBen> Whole city incinerated
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[18:16] <GenteelBen> Also you'd need to RMA that Pi.
[18:16] <Kanerix> The last time I checked (my information might be outdated) the pi didn't include any radioactive material and nuclear explosions are not in the 802.3af spec.
[18:16] <BurtyB> mfa298, I ordered one back in march, farnell said WC 11/6/2018 back then too :/
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[18:24] <r3> BurtyB: got a link for that?
[18:24] <r3> (the PoE hat)
[18:25] <Kanerix> I should see if my wife wants any cosplay stuff from adafruit before I make the order
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[18:29] <mfa298> r3: I linked the farnell/cpc one above.
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[18:29] <mfa298> although there might be a better part of farnell depending on where you are.
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[19:08] <Deknos> hey, i look to buy a few raspberries. is there some kind of docking station which i could build or buy, so they are neatly stacked/sorted? i have the problem not to know what to look for, like search keywords. does anyone has links (from a shop for example) or the right words?
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[19:14] <leftyfb> Deknos: I have one of these http://www.bitscope.com/product/BB04/
[19:15] <leftyfb> or you could do something as simple as http://a.co/clhieoH
[19:15] <leftyfb> I jsut googled for raspbery pi stack cases
[19:15] <stiv> or hot glue them to a piece of plywood
[19:16] <ShorTie> i use a piece of 3" channel
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[19:18] <Deknos> just gluing it does not reach my WAF :(
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[19:19] <leftyfb> WAF?
[19:19] <Deknos> wife acceptance factor
[19:19] <Deknos> the clearstack enclosure could be good enough, lets see.
[19:19] <stiv> paint the plywood pink first
[19:20] <Deknos> do you know of cases which can use different raspbi generations?
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[19:20] <Deknos> my girlfriend does not like pink. :)
[19:21] <stiv> stainless steel channel and some white oak for the euro-look?
[19:22] <leftyfb> https://c4labs.net/products/bramble-box-4-stack-case-with-fans-raspberry-pi-3-pi2-pi-drive-in-black-ice-or-wood
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[19:23] <Deknos> nice. thank you, now i have a better understanding with which keywords to look around :)
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[19:25] <leftyfb> https://hackaday.com/2016/01/25/raspberry-pi-zero-cluster-packs-a-punch/
[19:25] <leftyfb> man that's sexy
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[19:27] <BurtyB> leftyfb, don't think it ever went on sale
[19:28] <leftyfb> pitty
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[19:48] <GenteelBen> BurtyB and leftyfb, are you part of the same IRC collective?
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[20:01] <leftyfb> IRC collective?
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[20:02] <leftyfb> GenteelBen: the quick answer is no. But I'm not sure what you're referring to
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[20:05] <PhazonicRIdley> hello, i am trying to install arch arm for raspberry pi 3B+ i have followed all the steps on the website and when i booted on the pi, i got the rainbow screen. anyone have any suggestions?
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[23:33] <jaggz> my vim gets all sorts of errors .. I think it's because it's vim-tiny
[23:33] <jaggz> apt shows it is.. how do I get a more-full vim in?
[23:34] <leftyfb> jaggz: define errors
[23:35] <jaggz> leftyfb, hm.. because you said that I checked my command.. I think it's the system editor doing it
[23:35] <jaggz> I have aliases, like cte (crontab edit.. which runs crontab -e)
[23:35] <jaggz> I think that's running vim-tiny maybe
[23:36] <leftyfb> there's nothing wrong with vim-tiny
[23:36] <leftyfb> I'd curious as to what issues you're actually seeing and when
[23:36] <leftyfb> I'm*
[23:37] <jaggz> E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: :endfunction
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> jaggz, sudo apt-get install vim ; sudo apt-get purge vim-tiny
[23:37] <jaggz> E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: autocmd BufNewFile *.pl 0r ~/.vim/skeleton/perl.vim | $
[23:39] <jaggz> gordonDrogon, hrm.. it says vim is the latest version.. but it does purge vim-tiny
[23:40] <leftyfb> update-alternatives --config editor
[23:40] <jaggz> then it switched to using pico or nano or whatever this thing is that uses ^X to exit.. so I ran that and I have nano, ed, and vim.basic there.. I picked vim.basic but it still runs nano
[23:41] <jaggz> /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
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[23:41] <jaggz> vi command itself runs, but crontab -e is using nano
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> EDITOR environment variable.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> might also be VISUAL.
[23:42] <jaggz> yeah both are empty
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> mine both say 'vi'
[23:44] <jaggz> tested in root and as a normal user. normal user's crontab -e uses vim.. something must be in my root env
[23:45] <leftyfb> sudo update-alternatives --config editor
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[23:45] <tfgbd_> I like mcedit and nano
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> I sometimes use nano and the editor in my basic is very nano-like, but I use vi/vim for my normal editor.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> my email client is alpine which is more or less nano.
[23:51] <jaggz> $ update-alternatives --display editor ... editor - manual mode .... link currently points to /usr/bin/vim.basic
[23:51] <jaggz> what can make root use a different one? (I'm sudo -i'ed to root right now)
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> vim.basic is vim from what I can see. ie. it's not vim.tiny
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[23:51] <jaggz> yeah.. and it runs fine with crontab -e from my normal user account
[23:52] <jaggz> root's "crontab -e" is running nano
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[23:52] <tfgbd_> You don't use a full email client like Thunderbird?
[23:53] <jaggz> tfgbd_, ?
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> me? alpine is a full email client.
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[23:59] <tfgbd_> But it doesn't work with the mouse, does it?
[23:59] <leftyfb> jaggz: tried logging out and back in?
[23:59] <jaggz> leftyfb, yeah
[23:59] <jaggz> I'm just setting the env vars now.. dumb thing :)
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