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IRC Log for 2018-04-26

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[0:20] <Bitweasil> Might be a bad SD card.
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[1:38] <Owner> LogBen: you have two ks?
[1:38] <Owner> diskk
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[1:48] <Project86__> On PiCroft, Is there a way to make the autoconnect during initialization into a hidden AP? (For when mycroft is connected on a public network. To prevent someone jacking your mycroft connect)
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[1:52] <LogBen> Owner: Typo :p
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[1:53] <Owner> :D
[1:53] <LogBen> For a Pi2, 2.5A, 5.1V charger is good?
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[1:57] <methuzla> 2.5 amps is plenty adequate, as long as the USB cable being used can deliver it
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[2:08] <tfgbd_> https://github.com/andreiw/RaspberryPiPkg
[2:08] <tfgbd_> You guys see this yet?
[2:09] <tfgbd_> He booted Windows 10 ARM PE but for now it needs a kernel debugger attached.
[2:10] <LogBen> wow
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[2:21] <tfgbd_> yeah, it is pretty cool
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[2:22] <tfgbd_> I imagine the Windows 10 pro will come later
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[2:23] <tfgbd_> Right now Im trying to use Windows 10 ARM with KVM arm
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[2:32] <Turlough> anyone available for some media center questions and trouble shooting ideas
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[2:32] <LogBen> I can provide an ear and google
[2:32] <Turlough> okay
[2:33] <LogBen> :p
[2:33] <LogBen> What are problemæ?
[2:33] <Turlough> so i've encountered an interesting issue using a dvd drive
[2:33] <Turlough> i can play my region 2 Doctor Who dvds without any issues at a
[2:33] <Turlough> at all
[2:33] <Turlough> however when i try to play Region 1 dvds specifially ones that were released by warner bros they just won't load period
[2:34] <LogBen> hmm
[2:34] <Turlough> so i'm wondering if possibly there is some for of security on the CCS thats preventing however libdvdccs should be overriding it
[2:34] <Turlough> form*
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[2:35] <Turlough> and an interesting thing is its not all of the WB releases its spotty its only random ones
[2:35] <LogBen> weird
[2:36] <LogBen> And this isn't a problem with the disk reader?
[2:36] <Turlough> i've tried two different OS my first OS was an old version of open elec
[2:36] <LogBen> (I'm assuming this is a plug in thing)
[2:36] <Turlough> i'm now trying the latest libre elec because i thought it possibly could've been a kodi issue
[2:36] <Turlough> drive is brand new and has been working flawlessly
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[2:37] <LogBen> and you got it hooked up properly with the OS and stuff?
[2:37] <Turlough> yes sir
[2:38] <LogBen> okay
[2:38] <LogBen> what other DVD's have you tried?
[2:38] <LogBen> any not by WB?
[2:38] <LogBen> try a wide selection
[2:38] <Turlough> i've tried a wide selection
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[2:38] <Turlough> region 2 PAL
[2:38] <Turlough> region 2 NTSC
[2:39] <Turlough> Doctor who dvds from when 2|entertain took over
[2:39] <Turlough> some random region 1 anime dvds
[2:39] <Turlough> all fine
[2:39] <LogBen> hrm
[2:40] <LogBen> do they read fine in DVD player | Computer?
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[2:40] <tfgbd_> Try a closed source DVD Player on Windows.
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[2:41] <Turlough> i've loaded them on my blu ray drive on the pc and a set top player and they play fine
[2:42] <tfgbd_> What OS is the PC running?
[2:42] <Turlough> windows 10
[2:42] <tfgbd_> What BluRay application did you use?
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[2:43] <Turlough> when i view dvds i use media player classic
[2:43] <tfgbd_> Hrm, also open source
[2:43] <Turlough> heres something intersing The dark knight which is a warner bros disc loads completely fine
[2:43] <LogBen> You tried cleaning the disks?
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[2:44] <Turlough> lol they're all brand new they've only been used once to rip
[2:44] <tfgbd_> Try ripping your disc to .iso with DVD Decrypter and see if it plays in Linux Kodi on the rpi
[2:44] <Turlough> ripping it won't change a thing because dvd decryptor strips the CCS protection from the iso
[2:44] <tfgbd_> Are these iso's or actual discs you're trying to play
[2:45] <Turlough> i'm playing actual discs
[2:45] <tfgbd_> It sounded like you hooked a dvd drive to the rpi3
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[2:45] <Turlough> i did
[2:45] <Turlough> its and LG external USB dvd drive
[2:45] <Turlough> an*
[2:45] <LogBen> dude I dunno
[2:45] <tfgbd_> You may just have to rely on rips of those specific discs
[2:46] <tfgbd_> Burn the rips to a blank dvd?
[2:46] <LogBen> ^
[2:46] <Turlough> rips still have no ccs protection
[2:46] <Turlough> there for would play normally
[2:46] <LogBen> css?
[2:46] <tfgbd_> Yeah.
[2:46] <Turlough> CCS
[2:46] <LogBen> wat is?
[2:46] <Turlough> is the form of encryption dvds use
[2:46] <LogBen> hmm
[2:46] <LogBen> and how do players read them then?
[2:47] <tfgbd_> They have a decrption license
[2:47] <Turlough> most set top dvd players have the information on a chip and the region settings
[2:47] <tfgbd_> Kodi doesn't and never will.
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[2:47] <Turlough> umm have you looked at the settings in kodi for disc
[2:48] <Turlough> it has force disc region
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[2:48] <Turlough> thats part of CCS
[2:48] <tfgbd_> ok
[2:48] <Turlough> and if it didn't it wouldn't be able to play the disc
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[2:48] <Turlough> thats why kodi has libdvdccs in the config
[2:48] <tfgbd_> But it has to rely on open source reverse engineering
[2:49] <Turlough> quite understandably but in standard linux its been used for many years
[2:49] <Turlough> but i'm also getting to the point i'm now playing a batman warner bros disc so what makes that different from a doctor who warner bros disc
[2:49] <cirdan> the content
[2:49] <tfgbd_> older/newer?
[2:49] <Turlough> dvds came out the same year
[2:50] <tfgbd_> oh
[2:50] <Turlough> thats why i bothered testing it
[2:53] <gruetzkopf> Different Team mastering them?
[2:53] <LogBen> So the other thing to do is bring it up with the guys that make the software
[2:53] <LogBen> Kodi, I think you said?
[2:53] <LogBen> Raise an issue on their github
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[2:56] <Turlough> whats their github page
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[2:58] <LogBen> https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc
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[2:59] <ali1234> Turlough: is your DVD drive region free?
[2:59] <Turlough> shouldn't matter with using bruteforce libdvdccs
[2:59] <ali1234> it isn't just about software. the hardware also has protection in the firmware. even PC DVD drives
[3:00] <ali1234> although that would completely stop the disc from reading
[3:00] <Turlough> well if you want to put it that way the disc drive is technically region 1 and the disc i'm trying to play is region 1
[3:01] <ali1234> the way it used to be impleented is that the drive would ship with no region and would lock to the first disc inserted in it
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[3:04] <Turlough> well it makes no sense to me that its specifically just region 1 doctor who dvds by warner bros
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[3:11] <ali1234> try playing it from command line with mpv or something. that will probably tell you why it doesn't work
[3:12] <ali1234> maybe its just a bug in kodi
[3:13] <Turlough> i think it is a bug in kodi or the libdvdccs itself
[3:14] <Turlough> cause i'm trying more doctor who dvds that are warner bros and its spotty some work and some don't
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[3:47] <Turlough> I may have figured out the issue
[3:47] <Turlough> its a combination of the dvd , the drive and kodi
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[3:56] <LogBen> Wow
[3:58] <Turlough> first its something about the discs WB discs don't have barcodes they have these squares on the discs and it has to do with the drive being able to decode the information from those markings and then libdvdccs has to translate the information for kodi to read
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[3:58] <Turlough> anything with a normal barcode reads fine
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[3:59] <LogBen> weird man
[3:59] <Turlough> but when you go to WB dvds pre 2005 it struggles some it wil play and some it just says nope
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[4:00] <Turlough> i only figured that out when i played a doctor who WB dvd that actually had a barcode instead of the squares
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[4:03] <Turlough> believe me only reason i figured it out was i found a form on various dvd formats and people complaining about pre2004 WB discs
[4:04] <Turlough> but hey i have the recent version of open elec and kodi now so bonus
[4:05] <Turlough> and my region 2 dvds have no issues which was the whole reason i made this
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[4:18] <Project86__> On PiCroft, Is there a way to make the autoconnect during initialization into a hidden AP? (For when mycroft is connected on a public network. To prevent someone jacking your mycroft connect)
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[4:33] <zumba_addict> Just happy to share that my pi3 in garage survived -10f temps :D
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[4:48] <Project86__> So no one has played with it?
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[5:16] <Johnjay> question, can i power the pi plus a small touch screen from a small power pack with a max delivery of 1.5A?
[5:16] <Johnjay> i'm thinking the 3.5" or the 7" ones for portable pi
[5:16] <Johnjay> plus keyboard of course
[5:17] <LogBen> Prolly not
[5:17] <LogBen> Minimum power is 2A, right?
[5:17] <LogBen> Dont go below that
[5:17] <LogBen> I'm dealing with low power issues right now
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[5:18] <HrdwrBoB> yeah.. no
[5:19] <LogBen> plus touch screen you'll need even more
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[5:32] <Project86__> I have a pi camera module, I also have several disassembled older androids. Some with a better cam, (8 or 16mp.) Can I just unplug the cam from the pi cam module and replace it with the better cam? Or wpuld that need a better module?
[5:33] <HrdwrBoB> No
[5:34] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't work like that at all
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[5:35] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a better camera module use a pi camera v2
[5:35] <HrdwrBoB> if you want better than that, rethink what you're doing
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[5:58] <red9> What makes the v2 camera better ?
[5:59] <red9> I know a organization that had to go for a external camera because the Pi camera just sucked in quality.
[6:00] <Mutsumi> v2 is 8mp; v1 was 5
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[6:24] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: so then the second part IS how it works? Better mp cam need a better module to plug into?
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[6:25] <Project86__> I have a v2. I also have a 16mp android cam I removed from a phone, was just wondering if I could use it to give pi 16mp
[6:25] <Project86__> They had the same connector type
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[6:26] <red9> The problem with the camera is not the Megapixel count. But the low light capability, dynamic range, S/N etc.
[6:27] <Project86__> red9: no doubt an external is the way to go, but I was just wondering out of curiosity. Thought maybe I could beef it up to not suck just by swapping cams
[6:28] <Project86__> Which would also help with the issues you just stated
[6:28] <Project86__> Like if I used a galaxy s6 cam on pi, they're made for low light and all that
[6:31] <Project86__> So, do the better camera in phones, even though they have the same connector that plugs the pi cam into its module, require more power? What is the reasoning I can't swap?
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[6:38] <dustfinger> Hi, I have burnt a raspbian image to a 32GB scandisk on windows 8 using win32DiskImager. I would now like to grow the disk partition to use the full 32GB of space. It was a 2GB image. How can I do this from windows?
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[6:44] <LogBen> dustfinger: I'm pretty sure its all one partition unless you add another one
[6:45] <LogBen> if it's not reformat the card with something that overwrites partitions and write it again
[6:46] <dustfinger> LogBen: Since I burnt the image to the scandisk the disks allocated space is only the size of the image. I want to expand it so that I have all 32GB avialable from within raspberrypi.
[6:46] <HrdwrBoB> Project86__: hey, it might work
[6:46] <HrdwrBoB> Project86__: but there is no garauntees
[6:46] <HrdwrBoB> you might explode the camera, the pi, or both
[6:47] <HrdwrBoB> dustfinger: it will automatically expand as soon as you boot it
[6:47] <dustfinger> Hmm. Okay, I will try that out. Thanks.
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[6:56] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: I just figured the modules purpose was to convert the standard mini cams used in phones and such, into to the ribbon connector the pi uses
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[7:10] <HrdwrBoB> Project86__: 'standard' ;)
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[7:19] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: ok, better example, all usb use the same port for the device to read, no matter what usb you use (mic, wifi dongle, etc), the device reads it through usb. Where "usb" is cam module, and "device" pi in this example. let me in on what u know, don't hold out, I'm trying to learn
[7:21] <dustfinger> HrdwrBoB: You were correct. Thank you.
[7:23] <Choscura> HrdwrBoB, just wait 'til you have to explain why the screen connector can't be a second camera connector, despite looking alike
[7:25] <dustfinger> how does the /etc/apt/sources.list work. I would like to configure my pi to use the stretch archive from the kano repos: http://dev.kano.me/. I am confused by the instructions though. The instructions say to use the repos below to add deb http://repo.kano.me.archive-jessie/ release main, but the uri is actually dev.kano.me. I tried putting the following in my sources.list: deb http://dev.kano.me/archive-stretch/ rel
[7:25] <dustfinger> ease main, but when I run apt-get I just see a bunch of Ign (ignores). No errors, but it does not seem to update anything.
[7:25] <dustfinger> What would be the correct line to put in my /etc/apt/sources.list to get my kano to update from http://dev.kano.me/archive-stretch?
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[7:31] <Choscura> This is kinda cool, although, not on a pi- yet. geslachtelijke gemeenschap hebben: veilig vrijen met een condoom, om besmetting met aids te voorkomen
[7:31] <Choscura> LOL what a thing to have on my clipboard
[7:31] <Choscura> sec
[7:31] <Choscura> https://plus.google.com/photos/110879136591482275531/albums/5758296266854352801
[7:31] <Choscura> here we go
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[7:32] <Choscura> somebody made MYST in the same book that the model of the MYST book was based off of when they made the game
[7:33] <BoomerET> I'm trying to get openvpn client working to start on boot. I can get it working from command line by typing... sudo openvpn --daemon --config /path/to/slickvpn.ovpn (Inside the .ovpn I have the path to my credentials, and it also has the ca cert)
[7:34] <BoomerET> But when I try /etc/init.d/openvpn start, it says it's starting and loaded, but it's not really.
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[7:36] <BoomerET> I'm thinking I'm missing a .conf file in /etc/openvpn
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[7:41] <HrdwrBoB> Project86__: there is no stadnard
[7:41] <HrdwrBoB> standard
[7:41] <HrdwrBoB> a phone is sold as an entire device
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[7:43] <BoomerET> Isn't a phone that annoying app on my pocket computer?
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[7:48] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: I get that, but the camera is just the camera, no? Just different means of connecting, in a phone, built into the whole board, the pi, a module that connects and runs off the board
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[7:49] <BoomerET> Well crap, lost my connection
[7:51] <HrdwrBoB> Project86__: this is not an off the shelf device
[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> the phone manufacturer has no reason to confirm to any standard
[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> and plenty of reasons not to, depending on all sorts of things
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[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> for size/heat/compatibility with their other phones
[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> cable size
[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> etc etc
[7:53] <HrdwrBoB> the fundamental nature of the camera sensor is the same, sure
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[8:06] <Project86__> Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
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[8:08] <Project86__> If I can find a model number to look up specifics of the android cams I have, and compare the 2, perhaps I can make a better decision of the risks
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[8:36] <bikram> hello everyone , Is it okay to run rPi model B with 5v 3A power supply?
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[8:38] <LogBen> bikram: above recommended, but it should be fine
[8:38] <LogBen> check the hardware stats on the website
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[8:41] <Lartza> LogBen, Actually it's below recommended :P
[8:45] <Lartza> Namely in the voltage department. 5.1V@2.5A is the recommendation which is more watts but yeah
[8:45] <Lartza> *less watts
[8:47] <ravustaja> why do I keep getting disconnected from freenode, no pong reply?
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[8:48] <ravustaja> why don't I get a pong reply
[8:50] <LogBen> Lartza: Well, amps is above, volts is slightly below
[8:50] <LogBen> :p
[8:50] <Lartza> Yes, and volts is usually what matters if the supply is truly a supply and can deliver what it advertises
[8:51] <Lartza> ravustaja, Some sort of connection issue between you and freenode
[8:52] <ravustaja> I wonder what is causing it
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[8:52] <Lartza> Or in your internet connecion generally, or a bit more unlikely on the freenode server you are connecting to
[8:52] <ravustaja> I'm connected to several other networks too and they work fine
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[9:13] <red9> @Project86__, Still around? Anyway I think the existing camera can't be fixed by any hack. What is needed is another camera and perhaps optics. What prevents replacements is likely signal compability on the CSI connector bus.
[9:13] <red9> The CSI bus uses 2x LVDS channels asfair. Though with an FPGA you can most likely fix this.
[9:14] <red9> But then it might cost as much as a better camera attached via USB. So square #1
[9:14] <Lartza> 40 bucks for an FPGA instead of a new camera? Sounds a bit expensive :P
[9:15] <red9> The advantage might however be that you will get a camera with good specs and fast response. Ie all the raw bits DMA pumped directly into the Pi.
[9:15] <red9> Lartza, sounds like an expensive FPGA. It doesn't have to cost that much.
[9:16] <Lartza> Yeah maybe, don't really know my FPGA's but have looked at some random ones and what their price for single unit orders was and it was around that
[9:17] <Lartza> Like one flashcart I have which has an FPGA and I looked that up, but it is beefy in that one
[9:17] <red9> chip or eval board prices?
[9:17] <Lartza> chip
[9:17] <red9> Sort by price and filter on minimum capabilities that you need.
[9:17] <Lartza> seems this one has an altera cyclone II
[9:18] <red9> Try another brand?
[9:18] <Lartza> Which is 26,19€ at element14
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[9:18] <red9> 26,19what?
[9:18] <Lartza> So yeah, maybe an FPGA for the camera job would be a bit cheaper
[9:18] <Lartza> € = euros :P
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[9:20] <red9> Your Euro sign becomes "bBl" for me..
[9:20] <Lartza> Weird
[9:21] <Lartza> I should be all UTF-8
[9:21] <red9> Anyway I just got reminded of what an excellent way the CSI connector is to pump loads of fast data straight into the Pi.
[9:21] <red9> Well I count on English..
[9:21] <Lartza> How about letters like äö
[9:21] <red9> nope
[9:22] <red9> UTF-8 is also kind of a botched thing. Messing things up.
[9:23] <Lartza> Well the alternative is/was ISO-8859-15 and it works much better nowadays to just expect everyone to use UTF-8
[9:23] <Lartza> I do have some people broken on my university channel still but they are lazy people who haven't fixed their shells :/
[9:23] <Lartza> (And are not sending utf-8)
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[9:25] <red9> Well English + ISO-8859-15 solves a lot :p
[9:27] <Lartza> Technology wise yes, but anthropologically... :D
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> euro � gbp � usd $ Yen � all good stuff.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> And the Pimoroni Coup� case is good too ...
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> 1st world alphabet problems, eh?
[10:33] <red9> All good currencies. As long as oil is sold in USD.. ;)
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[10:35] <H__> that euro symbol shows as a - for me, the rest looks ok
[10:36] <red9> Better to use "EUR" works in almost any character set
[10:36] <shauno> I prefer to just admit these things shouldn't still be broken in 2018
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[10:39] <red9> In most technical matters. Local characters is usually not that important.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> it might be interesting to work out where the issues are though - is it my keyboard/OS/xChat, something in the transmission from me to irc to you, or something at your end (where "you" isn't anyone specific)
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> so today it's a cool 14�C for example...
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> Or is that 14°C (2 characters) or 14℃ (one character)
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> there is much confusion, sadly.
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[10:44] <red9> 14 'C works.
[10:44] <shauno> 14 feet centigrade?
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[10:48] <red9> feet is measure of length. Thus not related.
[10:51] <ali1234> shauno: they're only still broken for people who refuse to upgrade
[10:51] <shauno> still seems like a very weird notation
[10:52] <shauno> especially since a minute (') is 1/60th of a degree (°)
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[10:53] <shauno> so if you try to use ' as 1/60th of a ' just because you're still scared of utf ..
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[11:27] <red9> "Scared" is your own misconception.
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[12:12] <john_rambo> Hi, I need a GUI for omxplayer .... Which one should I install and how /
[12:12] <john_rambo> ?
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[12:15] <StCyr1> john_rambo: there's no GUI for omxplayer afaik
[12:16] <john_rambo> StCyr1, https://github.com/KenT2/tboplayer
[12:17] <john_rambo> I was looking for suggestions about which to install
[12:17] <john_rambo> and how
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[12:21] <john_rambo> How do I install from >>>> https://github.com/KenT2/tboplayer ??
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[12:22] <StCyr1> type (or copy-paste):
[12:22] <StCyr1> cd ~ && wget https://github.com/KenT2/tboplayer/tarball/master -O - | tar xz &&
[12:22] <StCyr1> cd KenT2-tboplayer-* && chmod +x setup.sh && ./setup.sh
[12:25] <john_rambo> StCyr1, Its stuck at "Updating distro packages database... This may take some seconds."
[12:26] <john_rambo> Now its progressing
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[12:37] <john_rambo> It worked. Thanks
[12:40] <john_rambo> StCyr1, Its playing but not in FULLSCREEN mode
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[12:40] <mfa298> john_rambo: sometimes try reading the documentation on the things you look at. It looks like StCyr1 just copied those instructions from the github link
[12:40] <john_rambo> mfa298, Okay
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[12:42] <mfa298> any good piece of software should have documentation on how to install it.
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[12:54] <red9> mfa298, In other words. There's a lot of really bad software ;)
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[13:32] <btborg> Hello
[13:32] <btborg> I would like to ask about something related to C types on the ARMv7 architecture
[13:33] <btborg> What's the min and max of a signed char?
[13:33] <btborg> (Do they exist in ARMv7? I'm getting weird output from a type_size program)
[13:34] <btborg> According to this
[13:34] <btborg> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armcc/armcc_chr1359125009502.htm
[13:34] <mlelstv> a signed char is -128..+127, an unsigned char is 0..255. The tricky part is wether a 'char' is signed or unsigned :)
[13:34] <btborg> It only signs when compiled with a special flag with ARM, apparently
[13:34] <btborg> –128 to 127 (signed) when compiled with --signed_chars.
[13:35] <mlelstv> 'signed char' is always -128 to 127.
[13:35] <mlelstv> 'char' on Arm is unsigned.
[13:35] <btborg> I was running type_size from my pi to see how it differs from AMD64 and x86
[13:35] <mlelstv> 'char' on i386 is signed
[13:37] <btborg> I see. I've never programmed for ARM before so this is all new for me
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[13:39] <mlelstv> it's a strange definition they chose.
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[13:43] <mlelstv> but it's allowed :)
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[13:56] <btborg> I see, thanks
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[15:36] <negaduck> hello. I'm trying to install docker. I get an error: "No package matching 'docker-ce' is available". A guess I have to pass an option for arch somewhere. Any ideas?
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[15:45] <GeekOfflineNL> hi
[15:46] <HighInBC> hi
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[15:49] <GeekOfflineNL> anybody here who uses scratch 2 on pi ?
[15:49] <Habbie> GeekOfflineNL, if you have a question about it, just ask it :)
[15:49] <GeekOfflineNL> it's simple.
[15:50] <GeekOfflineNL> i upgraded to the latest distro of raspbian and it should show scratch 1.4 AND 2,0. But after upgrade and reboot it still only shows 1.4
[15:50] <GeekOfflineNL> 2.0 does not appear :-|
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[15:50] <Habbie> perhaps it is installable?
[15:51] <GeekOfflineNL> according to the blog it should be there by default after upgrade
[15:52] <GeekOfflineNL> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/scratch-2-raspberry-pi/
[15:52] <GeekOfflineNL> working on 2 from chromium is slowwww
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[16:11] <GeekOfflineNL> ff reboot
[16:11] <GeekOfflineNL> quit
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[16:13] <TheDoudou> hi i try to find modem/fxo (for asterisk freepbx etc) you have idea ?
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[16:33] <Tenkawa> now I've got this rpi3+ backed with a battery and usb3 ssd storage
[16:33] <Tenkawa> it is a nice standalone unit now
[16:33] <Tenkawa> very fun to carry around'=
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[16:34] <GeekOfflineNL> so back
[16:34] <Tenkawa> not getting anything out of the usb3 transfer speed itself but hey..
[16:34] <Tenkawa> GeekOfflineNL: wb
[16:34] <Tenkawa> heheh
[16:34] <GeekOfflineNL> still no scratch 2 though
[16:34] <GeekOfflineNL> :-(
[16:34] <Tenkawa> whats up?
[16:35] <GeekOfflineNL> trying to get scratch 2.0 offline on pi
[16:35] <GeekOfflineNL> should work... but it doesn't
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[16:36] <Tenkawa> got any more context? errors, etc?
[16:36] <Tenkawa> need more info why its not working
[16:36] <GeekOfflineNL> well...i don't :-(
[16:37] <GeekOfflineNL> was trying to do this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/scratch-2-raspberry-pi/
[16:37] <Tenkawa> what instructions did you use then?
[16:37] <Tenkawa> ok.. let me look
[16:37] <GeekOfflineNL> but scratch 2 does not appear. even without dis-upgrade
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[16:39] <Tenkawa> hhh
[16:39] <Tenkawa> err ahhh
[16:40] <Tenkawa> yeah the newest one I see is 1.8
[16:40] <Tenkawa> er 1.4
[16:40] <GeekOfflineNL> jups
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[16:40] <GeekOfflineNL> but this blogpost says latest distro should have also 2.0 choice
[16:40] <Tenkawa> let me check oone other thing
[16:41] <Tenkawa> I think they may have made a typo
[16:42] <GeekOfflineNL> why?
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[16:44] <Tenkawa> I'm seeing a lot of inconsistencies between the "scratch" pages
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[16:45] <Tenkawa> not sure though
[16:45] <Tenkawa> its odd indeed
[16:46] <GeekOfflineNL> so it seems.
[16:47] <GeekOfflineNL> The only thing i did not try is flashing a full new image on a sdcard.
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[16:47] <GeekOfflineNL> i really hate that, becoz al settings in alle programs are gone :-(
[16:48] <Tenkawa> you could download it, mount it using a loop device in read only mode (if you are in linux) and see if the deb fileon there is the right ver)
[16:48] <Tenkawa> that way you dont lose anything
[16:49] <GeekOfflineNL> that'ss an idea :-)
[16:49] <Tenkawa> losetup is great
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[16:50] <Tenkawa> afk... bbiaf
[16:50] <GeekOfflineNL> bye and thanks
[16:51] <BurtyB> TheDoudou, since my PCI FXO/FXS board lost the "slot" I've just used a gigaset dect base to get an analog line to asterisk (and obv. calls back to the dect handsets)
[16:53] <TheDoudou> BurtyB: BurtyB: you have link for product ?
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[16:54] <TheDoudou> for asterisk freepbx or wazo or other solution ?
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> TheDoudou, as the Pi doesn't have a PCI slot, I use a Grandstream BT-503 as a FXO/FXS device.....
[16:58] <TheDoudou> i see usb fxo
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> the BT-503 is Ethernet.
[17:00] <Tenkawa> if the pi had a pcie slot that would be wild
[17:00] <Tenkawa> pricy... but wild
[17:01] <TheDoudou> or modem ?
[17:01] <Tenkawa> modem?
[17:02] <TheDoudou> old for 56k :p
[17:02] <Tenkawa> thats not old...
[17:02] <Tenkawa> I was using 300 baud
[17:02] <Tenkawa> now "thats" old
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[17:06] <TheDoudou> http://amfeltec.com/products/piranha-usb-fxo-adapter/ ?
[17:06] <Zardoz> 300 blah try 110 bps
[17:07] <Tenkawa> Zardoz: used it.. never was for anything practical though
[17:07] <Tenkawa> 300 was for daily use though
[17:08] <TheDoudou> hum or Linksys PAP2
[17:08] <TheDoudou> "You can use it as trunk in RasPBX."
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[17:09] <Tenkawa> Zardoz: rememember those 1200 and 2400 oddities?
[17:09] <Tenkawa> high selling but really touchy
[17:09] <Zardoz> yup, had an awesome 2400 for a little
[17:10] <Tenkawa> hayes?
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[17:10] * Tenkawa cant remember that stuff anymore... other than... good ole zmodem transfers
[17:11] * Tenkawa shudders at xmodem
[17:11] <Tenkawa> that was an abomination
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[17:12] * BurtyB still has a 1200 modem in the PPC512D :)
[17:12] <Tenkawa> wow
[17:12] <Tenkawa> got a phone line attached?
[17:12] <Tenkawa> heeheh
[17:12] <GeekOfflineNL> and serial 9600 8N1 s still in use today :-)
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[17:13] <Tenkawa> I still remember my first T1 setup and CSU/DSU setup
[17:13] <Zardoz> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USRobotics-Courier-2400-bit-sec-modem-made-c-1987-Missing-AC-Adapter-Collector-/201052605225
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[17:13] <Tenkawa> oh... usr
[17:13] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:14] <Zardoz> best 2400 bps modem ever made imo
[17:14] <red9> USExpensive ;)
[17:14] * Tenkawa ran a ISP back in the day
[17:14] <Tenkawa> red9: indeed
[17:14] <Zardoz> after that I alway got URS
[17:14] <Zardoz> USR*
[17:15] <red9> Tenkawa, How did you arrange the phone-to-server connection? to do that for few modems is quite different from 10s or 100s of them..
[17:15] <Zardoz> I still have my USR 168200bps modem
[17:16] <GeekOfflineNL> so i am off for today. Tenkawa thnx for the tip, couldn't find the files in the latest image either.
[17:16] <GeekOfflineNL> bye bye
[17:16] <Tenkawa> red9: thats what the portmaster was for
[17:16] <red9> 0.168 Mbit/s is fast for that time..
[17:16] <Tenkawa> it handled splitting
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[17:17] <Zardoz> most of my modems was from BBS that was upgrading.
[17:17] <red9> Tenkawa, rack full of PSTN modems, loads of DB25 cables to many serial multicards?
[17:17] <Tenkawa> red9: been 20 years.. hard to remember
[17:17] <red9> splitting?
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[17:18] <Tenkawa> I know there was some multiplexing going on
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[17:19] <Tenkawa> we had a bank of 48 modems at one point before that
[17:19] <Tenkawa> thats why we got it
[17:19] <Tenkawa> because it was just too much of a mess
[17:20] <red9> So no loads-of-rs232-cables to many-computers?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Livingston portmonsters ...
[17:20] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: yep
[17:20] <Tenkawa> they worked though
[17:21] <Zardoz> I remember this small ISP that I did some work for used sportster modems in a customer rack. was kind of neat let me see if I can find a pic
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Heh. yea, we had a bunch of them before the Livingstons
[17:21] <Tenkawa> red9: no
[17:21] <Tenkawa> thank goodness no
[17:21] <red9> https://ssllc_public_images.s3.amazonaws.com/PI-52873-210640-full
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> eek. 10Mb ethernet too.
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[17:22] <Habbie> is that AUI?
[17:22] <red9> https://www.ssllc.com/product/livingston-portmaster-2e-communications-server-210640
[17:24] <red9> Looks like BNC-AUI-TP combo.
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[17:25] <Zardoz> ah the port masters
[17:25] <Zardoz> I did find the multitech modem rack
[17:25] <red9> 30x 56000 bit/s is like 1.68 Mbit/s so 10 Mbit/s Ethernet should do well.
[17:26] <Habbie> red9, ah yes
[17:26] <Zardoz> https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/36332/189230/multitech-systems-cc916-modem-rack16-slot-9600-bps-v.32-dial-up-21.11__56691.1490273709.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on
[17:26] <Zardoz> that ISP has some of these
[17:27] <red9> https://www.recycledgoods.com/multitech-systems-cc916-modem-rack-16-slot-9600-bps-v-32-dial-up/
[17:27] <red9> https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/36332/189231/multitech-systems-cc916-modem-rack16-slot-9600-bps-v.32-dial-up-22.11__19061.1490273710.jpg
[17:28] <red9> The multitech approach seems more thought out and less likely to accomplish the cable vortex from hell ;)
[17:28] <Zardoz> anyways I am out see ya..
[17:30] <red9> Here's a portmaster being converted by negative customer feedback https://portmasters.com/brokenportmaster.jpg ;-)
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[17:35] <red9> Found the portmaster specification: https://www.portmasters.com/marketing/products/pm2_specs.html
[17:36] <red9> It was Ethernet just as I thought.
[17:38] <red9> So nice to broken out of that modem stuff. Ethernet jacket everywhere(tm)
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[17:46] <red9> rfc1475: "Protocols should become simpler as they evolve."
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[17:48] <red9> (found at http://www.slackware.com/~msimons/toasternet/)
[17:48] <mlelstv> nothing evolves to simplicity
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[17:52] <nicomachus> hi all. I'm repurposing a raspberry pi 3 as an HTPC/streamer for my entertainment center, and wanted to see if anyone has recs on the best OS/image to use for that. I've seen OSMC and it looks nice, but I want to make sure I preserve some basic functionality. like using that device as an IRC bouncer, for one.
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[17:55] <red9> 1000 USD/month for a fixed 56 kbit/s line in 1993..
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[18:22] <jaws> Hi guys. New to this channel, but I have a q. I'm designing an environmental monitoring system with a pi as the central hub running raspbian. My issue is: what kind of database is "the best" for storing sensor data? My goal is to let a custom MQTT client put data into the DB and let a webserver fetch the same data and visualize it to the user.
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[18:23] <shiftplusone> I don't think it really matters. Whatever you're familiar with should be good enough.
[18:24] <r3> red9: I remember being outside the range of DSL, so first had IIRC "dual dialup" where I had two phone lines, two modems, and they were bound together giving me an effective rate of 128 kbit/s ... later on I paid for an ISDN line which was much faster as it was 128 kbit/s in both directions, rather than the lopsided way 56K modems worked at the time
[18:25] <shiftplusone> MariaDB is the default Debian database for most things, but I'm sure sqlite would work just as well, if you're not dealing with massive amounts of data.
[18:25] <r3> jaws: I would examine how much data and how it will be used. Many times a "flat file" or delimited text file will work for logging data.
[18:25] <r3> jaws: if you want to get fancier, look at a SQL implementation, but I wouldn't run any SQL server on an SD card. That's just a recipe for failure (on the card)
[18:25] * IT_Sean downgrades r3 to a single 56k modem on a dirty line.
[18:25] <shiftplusone> +1 for flat file as a starting point
[18:26] <IT_Sean> +1 for a flat file
[18:26] <IT_Sean> just write it in in a set format, then have your web server parse it and display as desired.
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[18:27] <jaws> my concern is that if my mqtt client holds the file for writing, that my webserver won't be able to read it - if those processes should collide
[18:27] <jaws> I am looking into sqlite atm
[18:27] <r3> if you want to do data analysis later, you can take that flat file and import it onto a system running SQL and do your reporting and analysis there. Not on the Pi. Alternatively, I have a SQL server here, and it takes data from several sources over the network. I have syslog, weather, and various projects that send data to it. It has faster disks and redundancy with backups that keep
[18:27] <r3> my data safe.
[18:28] <waveform> jaws, sqlite is probably the best solution here - very lightweight and multi-process capable. But you might also want to look into rrdtool if you're dealing with sensor data over time
[18:28] <r3> I like munin for displaying sensor data
[18:28] <waveform> yup - that uses rrdtool as the backend
[18:28] <waveform> (which also produces the graphs)
[18:29] <r3> an example: https://i.imgur.com/s4Bboc8.png
[18:29] <jaws> uhh nice
[18:29] <waveform> (that's why you can see a tiny "RRDTOOL" in the top right of that graph ;)
[18:30] <r3> yes, I know, I was thinking of munin when you said rddtool :P
[18:30] <r3> (if you would like to see more of my munin, send me a /msg - it's running on a small server and don't want to publicize it)
[18:30] * waveform also loves munin for monitoring stuff :)
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[18:30] <red9> Use a real DB like postgresql. And attach some spinning rust HDD to make wear less of an issue.
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[18:31] <red9> r3, what sensor do you use for humidity?
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[18:31] <r3> red9: this https://shop.switchdoc.com/products/ourweather-complete-weather-kit
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[18:32] <r3> (I can't recommend or endorse it, however, due to problems I've had with it)
[18:32] <red9> So sensor thing --> TCP/http? --> database --> render --> http --> client
[18:33] <r3> so it reports via a JSON string when you HTTP to it. I wrote a small script to do that once every 5 minutes. That script works with munin and the output of it is picked up by it.
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[18:34] <jaws> red9, my data flow is more like: sensor -> RF (nrf24..) -> MQTT -> database -> (something clever webserver/php) -> client
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[18:37] <jaws> I will definitely look into rrdtool and munin as I'd like to get the "database->render->http->client" steps done as smooth as possible. For me the fun part is the "sensor-> ... -> database" steps
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[18:37] <r3> let me say that the only reason I went with the OurWeather Kit (and not something more custom) was an educational project to teach my wife electronics and programming basics.
[18:38] <r3> jaws: the nice thing about munin is that so much work has been done for you. Plus programming add-on scripts for it is a breeze. Also there is some community support for it (in the form of included scripts)
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[18:40] <jaws> r3, cool. otherwise it would be some php-javascript-something foo to generate the graphs
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[18:40] <TheDoudou> yop it's possible add img (for raspbx and raspivo) to PINN ?
[18:41] <r3> ... I should add that munin works with apache and in my case is running on a Rpi3 - it backends the main webserver with its site data
[18:41] <jaws> how about lighttp? that's my webserver on a rpi2
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> TheDoudou: yes, but you'd have to convert it to a suitable format.
[18:42] <programmerq> lighttp isn't something I hear about too often these days. nginx is much more common for low footprint situations as far as I can tell.
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[18:42] <r3> jaws: no idea.
[18:43] <shiftplusone> TheDoudou: there's a small chance that if you ask the developer of PINN for those distros to be added, he'll do it for you.
[18:43] <TheDoudou> shiftplusone: convert .img to .img.tar.gx and put to /os folder
[18:43] <shiftplusone> no
[18:43] <r3> jaws: http://munin-monitoring.org/ ... a very good starting point!! ;)
[18:43] <shiftplusone> there's more to it than that
[18:43] <jaws> programmerq, I found it in an article comparing webservers for embedded devices.
[18:44] <r3> hmmmm ... I never really thought of the Pi as an embedded device. More like a SBC (single board computer) - a little brother to something like PCEngines [ https://www.pcengines.ch/ ]
[18:45] <r3> (of which I have several of the APU2 and love love love them)
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[18:46] <jaws> r3 thanks. I will take a look. somehow I feel myself drawn down a very deep rabbit hole on this project. Just started today and I am already knee deep in new info and stuff to dig in to
[18:46] <programmerq> jaws▸ do you have a link to said article?
[18:47] <programmerq> I'm curious, as my search for such an article shows nginx outperforming lighttpd in a mysql+php usecase
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[18:47] <programmerq> as for your original question in the channel, prometheus seems like a pretty nice database for storing data. I've never used it in the context of a raspberry pi though.
[18:47] <programmerq> so it might be a bad recommendation
[18:48] <jaws> programmerq, I'm afraid that site is gone for me
[18:49] <jaws> with an update rate of once per hour or per 10 minutes, sqlite should suffice. never heard of prometheus though
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[18:50] <r3> IT_Sean: may I /msg you?
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[18:51] <programmerq> prometheus is pretty neat on its own. it's a rabbit hole of its own especially if you're new to monitoring software in general.
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[18:51] <programmerq> I've been meaning to get my digital electric and gas meter data into prometheus for a while now
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[18:56] <jaws> hmm.. it seems like prometheus requires Go, and I will be using C++ for the data providers for this project, and I'm not that eager to dive into Go right now
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[18:58] <jaws> ... or maybe I'm mistaken about that
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[18:59] <jaws> as said: it's a rabbit hole of its own. I know SQL and (studying) C++ and I'd like to keep it at that. MQTT seems pretty straight forward too
[19:00] <jaws> but thanks for all the input. I will definitely look into munin :)
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[19:04] <programmerq> jaws▸ prometheus is written in go, but you don't need to know nor care about that. you can just download and run it
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[19:20] <jaws> programmerq, oh, right. that makes sense.
[19:21] <jaws> I'll look into it. Thanks
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[20:21] <Tenkawa> ok.. next 64 bit kernel attempt
[20:21] <Tenkawa> well compile first rather
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: any specific reason you're going for 64bit or just to try it out?
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[20:24] <Tenkawa> just to try it out
[20:24] <Tenkawa> Its what I do
[20:25] <shiftplusone> Understood. I too used to try things.
[20:25] <Tenkawa> fixing things afterwards is next on the list
[20:26] <Tenkawa> I've been away from development too long.. I think I need to look at getting back into it
[20:27] <shiftplusone> good idea
[20:28] <shiftplusone> Helps keep the brain from rusting
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[20:31] <Tenkawa> especially at my age
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[20:42] <Habbie> Tenkawa, compiling? hasn't that been done?
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[20:48] <Tenkawa> Habbie: it oopsed
[20:48] <Habbie> ouch
[20:48] <Tenkawa> yep
[20:48] <Tenkawa> darn thing had a bad eabi flag
[20:48] <Tenkawa> ( I think )
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[20:49] <Tenkawa> I enjoy thing part though so I'm having fun
[20:49] <Habbie> :)
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[20:56] <Project86__> https://hackaday.com/2018/04/14/the-raspberry-pi-3b-as-an-sdr-without-the-sdr/
[20:56] <Project86__> It says 3b, but it's for 3b+
[20:57] <Tenkawa> sdr?
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[20:58] <ali1234> and transmit only, which is kind of silly really
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> sdr: software defined radio
[20:58] <Tenkawa> ahh
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> or south devon railway, depending where you are. (I'm 10 minutes walk from 'sdr')
[20:58] <Tenkawa> troublesome in this country
[20:59] <Tenkawa> fcc gets very picky about those
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[20:59] <Project86__> ali1234: true
[20:59] <Project86__> Just thought it was neat
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[21:03] <Project86__> gordonDrogon: where I'm at, sdr is south dining room lol
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[22:33] <Tenkawa> ok.. here goes test 40 on 64 bit kernel..
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[22:35] <Tenkawa> almost....
[22:35] <Tenkawa> I know why though
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[22:35] <Tenkawa> at least one for one of the 2 changes
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[22:39] <Tenkawa> lets try that again with one tweak
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[22:45] <red9> What is the WiringPi pin number for BCM GPIO 21 ?
[22:47] <red9> Pi-Zero W v1.1
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> type: gpio readall
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> and find 29.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> or physical pin #40.
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[23:02] <Tenkawa> no luck...
[23:02] <Tenkawa> let me try an older kernel
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[23:02] <Tenkawa> I dont like that I'm having to disable vhci
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[23:04] <red9> I tried a Pi-B v1. Only showing pins 1-26. (B+ maybe?)
[23:04] <red9> No Pi-Zero online atm..
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[23:08] <red9> Pin=40 ; Digital OUT ; BCM GPIO=21 (according to wikipedia)
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> right.
[23:09] <red9> Though that page forgets to point out the difference between revision 1 and 2..
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it makes no difference - a Pi 0 is a 40pin gpio Pi.
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> and they're all the same gpio pin wise.
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[23:12] <red9> So what to put into digitalWrite() after wiringPiSetup(); ?
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> pinMode first then digitalWtite (29, ..
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> or use wiringPiSetupGpio(); then use pin # 21
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> or wiringPiSetupPhys (); then use pin #40
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