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IRC Log for 2018-05-03

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[0:00] <akk> Figuring out how that all worked took me quite a while; I wouldn't ever recommend it to a newbie.
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[2:24] <TheCryptek> Would someone be willing to help me out with the Raspberry Pi 3 and a fan with GPIO in python?
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[2:28] <TheCryptek> my code is https://pastebin.com/WXJV5Ahr here, my issue is that the fan doesn't actually turn off and I have no idea where I have went wrong
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[2:39] <akk> Does it say 'Turning off GPIO 4' but then the fan doesn't turn off?
[2:39] <TheCryptek> Yea
[2:39] <TheCryptek> akk
[2:39] <TheCryptek> am I missing ';'?
[2:39] <akk> No, you don't need ;
[2:40] <TheCryptek> :/ I just can't establish why the fan won't turn off
[2:40] <CoJaBo> is it connected to the wrong GPIO?
[2:41] <shbrngdo> can you cat the /sys var for the GPIO after setting it, or try setting it yourself via the /sys var? I'm just curious, maybe the lib is having an error and you just aren't seeing it
[2:41] <akk> That's weird, I do almost exactly the same thing, though I use GPIO.HIGH and GPIO.LOW instead of True and False.
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[2:41] <akk> But I think True and False should work to.
[2:41] <shbrngdo> connected to the wrong GPIO - yeah, with 0.1" pins that's easy to have happen
[2:41] <CoJaBo> I had a while of troubleshooting a relay board i got where the problem ended up being "the docs said it was connected to pin X, and it was actually pin Y" >_>
[2:41] <akk> Have you tried connecting GPIO 4 to an LED and watching it, to see if it's something about the relay?
[2:41] <shbrngdo> i should've thought of that first [
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[2:42] <shbrngdo> another possibility, ground not connected properly
[2:42] <shbrngdo> so you want to check for that as well...
[2:43] <shbrngdo> but yeah an LED to verify that you're actually flipping the bit with your code is also a very good idea
[2:46] <FatalNIX> Hm.
[2:46] <TheCryptek> I don't have a LED
[2:46] <TheCryptek> and how do I view the /sys var
[2:46] <shbrngdo> volt meter?
[2:46] <TheCryptek> Don't have one
[2:46] <FatalNIX> Is there something I have to do to get cron actually working these days? I haven't used it since linux 2.4
[2:46] <CoJaBo> A multimeter is definitely a worthwhile investment
[2:47] <TheCryptek> I plan to get one out of my next paycheck
[2:47] <FatalNIX> I have what seems to be a properly configured user crontab as I see with crontab -l, but nothing happens. It is supposed to run every minute
[2:47] <TheCryptek> but how do I check the /sys var
[2:47] <TheCryptek> for it :/
[2:47] <shbrngdo> /sys is a file system - I don't have a linux RPi handy [running FreeBSD at the moment] but you can search for names with 'gpio' in them
[2:47] <CoJaBo> The switch in mine is wearing out; not sure if I should get a new one, or fix it lol
[2:48] <CoJaBo> Are there any fancy new features they've gotten in the past like, 20 years ?P
[2:48] <shbrngdo> TheCryptek - try this: find /sys -name "*gpio*" and see which names come up. There will be files within those directories that let you query and set the GPIO pin to 0 or 1
[2:48] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/jd02eu is what I have :/
[2:48] <TheCryptek> Oh
[2:49] <FatalNIX> oh I see the problem..
[2:49] <TheCryptek> problem being?
[2:49] <shbrngdo> fatalnix - 'crontab -e' not working for ya?
[2:50] <FatalNIX> Well, the problem was my script was using relative directories
[2:50] <FatalNIX> and cron was launching the script gfine
[2:50] <FatalNIX> fine*
[2:50] <FatalNIX> but just not updating the files I needed :D
[2:50] <shbrngdo> yeah it helps to use an absolute path since cron may run in a completely different context...
[2:50] <FatalNIX> oh yeah its working now!
[2:50] <FatalNIX> woo
[2:50] <shbrngdo> excellent!
[2:50] <FatalNIX> now I have a temperature logger into sqlite
[2:51] <shbrngdo> cron/crontab is an awesome POSIX feature
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[2:51] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo I don't see this file(s) o.o?
[2:51] <FatalNIX> yeah. I used to use it to clear /tmp every day
[2:51] <FatalNIX> back when I had 200 MB hard drives
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[2:52] <FatalNIX> speaking of old hardware I just got my hands on a pentium II box today at work
[2:52] <FatalNIX> Maybe I can make some sort of at ISO to Raspberry Pi GPIO adaptor :D
[2:52] <shbrngdo> TheCrypto - look under /sys/class/gpio/gpioX/value <-- where 'X' is the GPIO number, in your case, 4
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[2:52] <shbrngdo> er, TheCryptek I mean
[2:53] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo: -bash: cd: /sys/class/gpio/gpio4/value: No such file or directory
[2:53] <shbrngdo> there's no /sys/class/gpio directory? (maybe it's gpio04)
[2:53] <shbrngdo> I don't have Linux loaded at the moment
[2:53] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo: http://prntscr.com/jd03xz is all I got
[2:54] <shbrngdo> oh wait there might be a procedure to turn them on...
[2:54] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo: But my fan is running... so they are on?
[2:56] <shbrngdo> do this: "echo 4 >/sys/class/gpio/export" - it should show up
[2:56] <shbrngdo> I hd to look at some old code tosee what I did...
[2:56] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo: It didn't do print anything :/
[2:57] <shbrngdo> check for /sys/class/gpio/gpio* you should see gpio4 there
[2:57] <TheCryptek> no such file or directory
[2:57] <TheCryptek> found it
[2:58] <TheCryptek> now what
[2:58] <shbrngdo> did you get an error when you echoed "4" to the /sys/class/gpio/export file?
[2:58] <TheCryptek> Nope
[2:58] <TheCryptek> It just didn't do anything
[2:58] <shbrngdo> odd. that's what's in my script for turning gpio pins on/off
[2:58] <TheCryptek> Let me go check my fan
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[2:59] <shbrngdo> wait, you're using GPIO 4...
[3:00] <TheCryptek> yea Y
[3:00] <TheCryptek> I'm using GPIO 4 and 6 for GND
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[3:01] <shbrngdo> please verify that the pin you're connected to corresponds to GPIO 4 on this diagram: https://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#P1_Header
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[3:02] <TheCryptek> Yep it corresponds lol
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[3:02] <shbrngdo> because GPIO 6 isn't there, and pin 6 is a ground pin, and pin 4 has +5V on it.
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[3:03] <shbrngdo> so if you're using pin 6 for ground (this is ok), and the GPIO 4 pin (pin 7) for the control signal, you should be fine. anything else needs to be re-examined
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[3:04] <TheCryptek> Thats how I have it set
[3:04] <shbrngdo> ok - what you said before gave me reason for concern
[3:04] <TheCryptek> Ah okay
[3:04] <TheCryptek> I just want this script to work :/ cuzz I was told a fan will fry my pi :/
[3:04] <shbrngdo> you could have been putting 5V onto an IO pin
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[3:05] <shbrngdo> just making sure you get it that "pin 4" is not "GPIO 4" (it's 5V)
[3:05] <TheCryptek> So if GPIO isn't pin 4
[3:05] <shbrngdo> it's not
[3:05] <TheCryptek> its pin 7 so does that mean I have to replace 4 with 7 in the script
[3:06] <shbrngdo> no, 'GPIO 4' is defined by the CPU's internals. pin 7 is wired to it.
[3:06] <shbrngdo> [this actually explains why your fan is always on]
[3:06] <TheCryptek> Oh
[3:06] <TheCryptek> But how do I toggle it with the script
[3:06] <shbrngdo> the script should be doing that with the python library
[3:07] <TheCryptek> I'm using RPi.GPIO
[3:07] <TheCryptek> :/
[3:07] <shbrngdo> keep in mind, you can't drie a fan directly with a GPIO pin. SO hopefully you have a logic input on "a device" that controls the fan, and you drive that logic input with GPIO 4 (pin 7)
[3:07] <shbrngdo> you can damage the IO pins on the RPi if you connect them directly to a motor
[3:07] <TheCryptek> Uh my fan is connected directly to the GPIO pins as per instructions
[3:08] <shbrngdo> so the fan has 3 wires on it?
[3:08] <shbrngdo> i.e. power, logic, ground
[3:08] <TheCryptek> 2
[3:08] <shbrngdo> yeah, the instructions aren't very smart. I suggest you not do that.
[3:08] <TheCryptek> http://prntscr.com/jd07ue
[3:09] <TheCryptek> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073DN96CK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 this is the product the instructions are for
[3:10] <shbrngdo> oh, I get it now! the fan is supposed to be on all of the time. but you want to control it with a script. OK you'll need a device that can switch the fan on and off. Since it's not trivial, if you're not familiar with electronics, then you should figure out how an NPN power transistor works. you would need something like that to do it.
[3:10] <TheCryptek> OHHHHHHHHHHH okay
[3:10] <TheCryptek> I'm familiar with electronics as a beginner :P
[3:10] <TheCryptek> I never planned to have a fan for my RPi, I only bought this product for the power cord, and decided to go ahead and use all of it
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[3:11] <shbrngdo> the power transistor would switch the current on/off on the ground side. Applying the GPIO 4 output (through a resistor, say 200 ohms) to the base of the transistor, with the emitter at ground, would cause emitter/collector current to flow. if the collector were in series with the fan (connect fan to colletor instead of directly to ground) then this would work, probabyl, maybe, YMMV
[3:11] <shbrngdo> if your fan does not draw more than 100ma or so you're fine
[3:11] <shbrngdo> you can use it with the RPi
[3:12] <shbrngdo> if it draws a LOT of current, then you might have problems. but if it wa designed to go with the RPi, might as well try it.
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[3:12] <TheCryptek> I don't think it draws more then 100ma its been running for about 4-5 hours without problem
[3:13] <shbrngdo> well, if it came with a power connector for RPi, chances are it was designed for RPi.
[3:13] <TheCryptek> I'm just new to this whole using the GPIO pins as I couldn't afford to get stuff for my pi till I got this job which means more content for my website :D
[3:13] <TheCryptek> Yea it came with a case for the RPi to its for the 3b and 2b
[3:13] <TheCryptek> My original power supply from canakit went out on me :/
[3:13] <shbrngdo> anyway, I gotta get some food. later. yeah any 2A USB power supply should work fine.
[3:14] <shbrngdo> a zillion phones use those nowadays, with the micro-B usb connectors for 'power over USB'. they're cheap.
[3:14] <TheCryptek> shbrngdo, Thanks bro
[3:14] <shbrngdo> NP
[3:14] <TheCryptek> I was using a phones usb cord but it wasn't supplying enough power shbrngdo
[3:17] <red9> How many amps is the canakit supply designed for?
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[3:18] <TheCryptek> red9 Uh 1A I believe I don't remember xD The cat chewed the cord up so I moved to an android usb and then bought this case and power supply and fan from amazon from iobot
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[4:43] <markasoftware> so, i got a model B (original), the ACT light blinks in a regular pattern, no video output on hdmi. Is it broken?
[4:44] <markasoftware> tried with multiple SD cards, including one that is confirmed to work on the elinux wiki, multiple power supplies, and multiple Os images
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[5:14] <d0rm0us3> markasoftware, is HDMI selected as the source for the monitor?
[5:15] <markasoftware> hdmi is the only source on my moniter :)
[5:15] <d0rm0us3> No other inputs?
[5:15] <d0rm0us3> No vga connector or dvi?
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[5:15] <markasoftware> two HDMI ones, and this same pyort works when i plug it into a different pc
[5:15] <markasoftware> yeah, it's a weird lg ultrawide one that only has hdmi
[5:16] <d0rm0us3> perhaps the cable is defective....
[5:16] <markasoftware> the same cable works on a different pc
[5:16] <markasoftware> i literally just took the cable, unplugged it from my desktop, and into the raspi ti goes
[5:17] <d0rm0us3> reboot the raspberrypi?
[5:17] <markasoftware> taht's just unplug and replug it, right?
[5:17] <d0rm0us3> So it has a chance to sync up
[5:17] <d0rm0us3> Aye.
[5:17] <markasoftware> ive done that a few times
[5:17] <d0rm0us3> No idea then.
[5:18] <d0rm0us3> Unless you didn't get a good booting image.
[5:19] <markasoftware> maybe :( the main raspian image should work even on the old ones, right? It said it supported all models
[5:19] <markasoftware> and i did try opensuse's image as well, with the same result
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[5:35] <JackMa> if i run raspberry pi all day long for 1 years without rest, then i will be out of order?
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[5:39] <JackMa> then it will be out of order?
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[6:00] <uriah> anyone running 64bit rpi-4.16.y kernel? I’m stuck either with sound working or vc4 working
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[6:01] <uriah> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2320 and https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2315
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[6:02] <uriah> it’s a problem with the bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb that is generated when I compile the kernel
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[6:04] <uriah> its source has an issue with the old frame buffer being used instead of vc4 drm frame buffer
[6:04] <uriah> so the vc4 kernel module can’t attach to the gpu because it’s already in use
[6:04] <uriah> I think
[6:05] <uriah> anyway could be nice to collaborate if anyone has the same issue
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[6:33] <kuri0> markasoftware, maybe you could try putting a serial / ttl cable and seeing what it says
[6:33] <kuri0> what image are you using ?
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[7:01] <FatalNIX> I officially hate isc dhcpcd now
[7:01] <FatalNIX> lol
[7:01] <FatalNIX> No matter what I do even with dhcpcd -k I can't force this damn ethernet device to stop assigning itself an IP address
[7:01] <FatalNIX> even though the config file is blank
[7:02] <FatalNIX> I do a new dhcpcd and it gets an IP from the server and tells the server to screw off and claims its own that isn't even in that subnet lol, which I used to have assigned to it before
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[7:03] <FatalNIX> oh wtf now dhclient is getting the blasted IP
[7:03] <FatalNIX> it wasn't before, I just didn't want to migrate to it
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[7:48] <gordonDrogon> FatalNIX, dhcpcd is not isc-dhcpd
[7:48] <gordonDrogon> it's a different dhcp client side project.
[7:49] <FatalNIX> hmm.. I'm pretty sure I remmeber dhcpcd coming as part of the isc-dhcp packages on older systems
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[7:50] <FatalNIX> oh wait no that's dhclient
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[7:51] <FatalNIX> whatever- dhcpcd really pi**** me off sometimes;D
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[7:56] <gordonDrogon> I statically assign my Pi's the old way - by editing /etc/network/interfaces. works every time.
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[8:27] <yuken> Hallo. How is x86 emulation on the Pi? I've got an x86 app that runs on absolute crap-tier hardware, Pentium 2 & 256MB of RAM, so even with severe overhead I'm wondering what ya'll think would happen to it.
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[8:40] <GeekOfflineNL> morning
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[9:04] <Lartza> yuken, One does not simply emulate software. You emulate a processor and run an OS on that
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[9:37] <uriah> yuken I did that with Gentoo and qemu
[9:38] <uriah> is it a linux binary, actually?
[9:38] <uriah> cause then you could run it, sure
[9:39] <uriah> but to emulate another entire OS on a pi is indeed madness
[9:40] <Lartza> uriah, You can?
[9:42] <Lartza> Hmm seems so but... you'd really need to not depend on anything
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[9:42] <uriah> Lartza: yep, I even got qemu-user to run an x86 build of glxgears with severe hackery. I had planned on releasing patches but then life took a turn
[9:42] <uriah> I believe i may have lost the work
[9:43] <uriah> it was a decent FPS too
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[9:56] <disse> Hey guys, I bought a fresh raspberrypi 3 B+. I tried to set it up, but only the PWR LED lights up. I created a fat32 partition on a Transcend 32GB SD card and copied the contents of NOOBS_v2_8_1.zip on the SD card. I also verified the zip with the sha256sum. I plugged in microusb on my computer and an HDMI cable. Nothing shows up. Are there any suggestions?
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[9:59] <disse> Oh, dmesg tells me bad things :(
[9:59] <disse> blk_update_request: critical medium error, dev sdg, sector 0
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[10:00] <disse> Hm, the error was by the usb host I guess, different usb port worked.
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[10:05] <disse> I tried to diff the contents of the zip and the sdcard fat32 partition. They are identical. Sadly I got no serial cable around here.
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[10:07] <yuken> uriah, Linux and WIndows blobs, yeah
[10:07] <yuken> they used to offer FreeBSD binaries too, way back
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[10:13] <disse> Ah, ok, I can't get a clean 2,5A input I guess.
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[10:18] <ShorTie> what is your power supply ?
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[10:24] <uriah> yuken: then it can be done
[10:24] <uriah> but it requires some effort
[10:27] <disse> ShoTie I tried my Anker with 20100mAh, a computer, a yellow thinkpad port, and my phone charger which had only 0.2A XD
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[10:29] <ShorTie> sounds to me you need a good power source, try to get a 5.25v @ 3amp supply, like for the chrome book
[10:31] <yuken> uriah, how should I start goin about it? Don't even own a Raspi
[10:31] <yuken> in fact, I was looking at an Intel Edison as well for this task
[10:32] <uriah> Edison is x86 right?
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[10:32] <disse> Hm, I ordered a 63W 5 Port power supply which should also be fair enough
[10:32] <yuken> yep, uriah. SD card sized thing
[10:33] <yuken> x86_64
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[10:34] <uriah> yuken: probably better to run the x86 binary on x86
[10:34] <ShorTie> does your micro-usb cable have 22 or 24 awg printed on it ??
[10:35] <ShorTie> cheap phone charging cords do not work
[10:37] <GeekOfflineNL> The ´old´ 3B works at my place on a normal charger of 2.1A, 5V
[10:37] <GeekOfflineNL> Does the 3B+ needs so much more amps?
[10:38] <yuken> uriah, I wonder how powerful it is compared to pi. similar footprint with io board.
[10:39] <uriah> in any event emulating will just be a huge pain
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[10:40] <ShorTie> having that many amps helps keep the voltage up to snuff, which is extremly important
[10:41] <ShorTie> low voltage kills sdcards
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[10:57] <disse> Ok, so I will wait until the new power supply arrives.
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[11:18] <anzipex> What is the best way to plug Rasberry Pi to old CRT tv? I want to use Retropie OS on Raspberry and play videogames without vsync, input lag and etc
[11:19] <ShorTie> thru the 3.5mm jack
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[11:21] <anzipex> ShorTie, i tried that, but it's impossible to play. The image is slightly shaking. And very tired eyes. Such a feeling that the frequency does not match to tv
[11:22] <mfa298> anzipex: you might have to configure the Pi for PAL/NTSC/Seecam
[11:23] <mfa298> I think it might default to PAL althogh google would tell you
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[12:52] <hstl> Hello. I have power supply 5.0V 2000 mA
[12:52] <hstl> is it enough?
[12:53] <hstl> whaddup
[12:53] <hstl> answer, please
[12:56] <BurtyB> enough for what?
[12:57] <hstl> BurtyB: do charge my Tesla, of course
[12:57] <hstl> to*
[12:57] <BurtyB> bye bye
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[13:08] <dreadkopp> hey guys! so... i got a rpi 3, set up with latest rasbian booting from a 32GB usb stick. there is mopidy running on it while sound system is connected via an usb sound card. mopidy sends sound to the usb soundcard fine using alsasink however i get terrible stutter .... might anyone help me with that ?
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[13:29] <hstl> Well, looks like it's not enough
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[13:30] <hstl> my keyboard does not work
[13:30] <hstl> it gives enough power
[13:30] <hstl> to RPI to work
[13:30] <hstl> but not enough for USD
[13:30] <hstl> USB*
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[13:42] <dreadkopp> stutter does not seem to be a load or memory problem... also it seems to be rather rhythmic like every 1.5 secs or so
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[13:46] <hstl> dreadkopp: is it normal that USB does not work when RPI3 powered from 2000 mA 5V power supply?
[13:47] <hstl> i think, maybe my RPI3 is broken
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[13:48] <dreadkopp> hstl no idea , sorry. however 2 amps should be very sufficient
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[13:49] <dreadkopp> rpi itself shouldn't exceed .5a even under full load
[13:50] <davr0s> is there a limit to how much can flow through the pi i.e. how much it can draw to power its USB devices
[13:50] <davr0s> (i guess you couldn't have USB powered electric car motor for example)
[13:51] <davr0s> "plug a USB electric car into the pi"
[13:52] <dreadkopp> dunno. i expect it to be rated at standard usb2.0 specs thus 5V/.5A per port...
[13:53] <dreadkopp> -> Maximum total USB peripheral current draw states the max USB current for Pi(2/B+) is 600/1200mA. The limit for Pi3 is 1200mA. Earlier models claim 500mA.
[13:53] <dreadkopp> The default for 2/B+ is 600mA which can be doubled by setting max_usb_current=1 in /boot/config.txt.
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[13:58] <dreadkopp> audio stutter isn't happening on hdmi out though
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[14:38] <mfa298> hstl: the Pi3 can use upto 1.2A for itself. With a decent PSU (rather than phone charger) 2A might be enough for the Pi3 and keyboard.
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[14:38] <mfa298> Phone chargers don't always hold the 5V needed for the Pi as you pull more current, also some USB cables aren't good at higher powers.
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[16:36] <TheDoudou> hi
[16:36] <TheDoudou> i can't add os to PINN
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[16:37] <TheDoudou> i wan't add thit http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/downloads/
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[16:52] <TheDoudou> the iso contain 2 files one 0.fat (with boot, cmdline.txt bcm file etc) one other 1.iso
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[16:56] <TheDoudou> i try with global img maybe with 1.img ...
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[17:10] <PhazonicRidley> hello, i am trying to install xubuntu on my rpi 3B+, i had to get the latest fw from rpi team's github and replaced the boot files, it boots, but i cannot control the pi with my mouse and keyboard does anyone know y?
[17:10] <PhazonicRidley> i had the same issue on ubuntu mate
[17:10] <PhazonicRidley> and i cant find a version of reg ubuntu
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[17:11] <Lartza> PhazonicRidley, Ubuntu Mate... is regular Ubuntu?
[17:12] <PhazonicRidley> well mate booted
[17:12] <PhazonicRidley> reg did not
[17:12] <Lartza> ?
[17:12] <PhazonicRidley> but mate (like xubuntu) did not allow me to use my mouse and keyboard
[17:13] <Lartza> Are we referring to Ubuntu Core as regular Ubuntu in this?
[17:13] <PhazonicRidley> yes
[17:13] <PhazonicRidley> the arm version
[17:13] <PhazonicRidley> i have heard a few names for it
[17:14] <Lartza> Well that's less regular than Ubuntu Mate but yeah
[17:14] <PhazonicRidley> afaik, its just ubuntu server for arm
[17:14] <Lartza> No
[17:14] <Lartza> And also, maybe hasn't updated for 3B+ just like Xubuntu
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[17:14] <PhazonicRidley> hmm ok
[17:15] <PhazonicRidley> but i still dont know y i cant control the pi with my keyboard and mouse
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[17:15] <PhazonicRidley> do u think it is a driver issue>
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[17:15] <PhazonicRidley> ?
[17:15] <Lartza> Yeah that shouldn't be an issue at all
[17:15] <Lartza> Wireless?
[17:15] <PhazonicRidley> nope
[17:15] <PhazonicRidley> wired
[17:15] <Lartza> Power issue? Unlikely if they are the only things connected
[17:16] <PhazonicRidley> my mouse is glowing
[17:16] <PhazonicRidley> like when its turned on
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[18:02] <seven-eleven> hi
[18:02] <seven-eleven> what's the recommended distro for raspberry at the moment?
[18:02] <seven-eleven> back then it was raspbian
[18:03] <zleap> it is still raspbian
[18:03] <zleap> well that is what most people use I think, so therefore easier to get help with if needed
[18:04] <seven-eleven> great, then I go for that, thanks!
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[18:07] <seven-eleven> zleap, should i choose raspbian desktop or raspbian
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[18:07] <seven-eleven> i'll choose with desktop
[18:07] <seven-eleven> its always useful to have a DE
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[18:12] <shbrngdo> for most people, raspbian most likely does what they want/need
[18:12] <shbrngdo> it's well supported, reasonably well documented, etc.
[18:13] <shbrngdo> most of the serious development seems to target it
[18:13] <shbrngdo> some like me prefer 'other things' but you have extra work to do, depending
[18:13] <shbrngdo> if all you want to do is twiddle GPIOs or use your favorite 'hat', raspbian probably is the best choice
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[19:06] <davr0s> is duplicating sd cards a legitimate way to setup a bunch of rpis identically
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[19:06] <davr0s> q2 can rpi0w netboot in usb gadget mode
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> davr0s, duplicating is fine - however they'll all end up with the same ssh keys. This may or may not be an issue and are easy to regenarte anyway.
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[19:09] <davr0s> setting them up to ssh into with keys is one of my reasons for wantig to do this, i guess
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[19:29] <lodger> hi, raspberry pi2b+ is compatible with mainline kernel?
[19:29] <lodger> 100% compatible
[19:29] <lodger> i mean
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[19:31] <plugwash> There is no such thing as a pi2b+
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[19:37] <lodger> :-D I meant rpi3b+
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit confusing as there is a Pi 1b+ ...
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[19:49] <plugwash> lodger, using the kernel from Debian experimental it runs, you can see the framebuffer, you can type stuff, you can use the network, the USB almost certainly doesn't behave as well as with a downstream kernel because upstream won't accept the FIQ stuff. I don't know what if any other issues they are.
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[19:50] <plugwash> I also don't know if debian have any relavent patches in that aren't upstream yet
[19:50] <plugwash> (this is for arm64 btw but I expect the 32-bit mode situation is similar)
[19:50] <shbrngdo> 'experimental' = SID ? (I always thought it was funny, as 'Sid' is 'unstable')
[19:52] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - ideall the code shouldn't care which RPi you're using. i know yours does because you use pin mapping translation thingies, which differ based on the version of the RPi board
[19:52] <plugwash> 'unstable' = 'sid', 'experimental' = 'rc-buggy'
[19:53] <plugwash> last I checked a fix that was important to make the network usable hadn't made it to sid yet
[19:53] <shbrngdo> heh - ok good point
[19:53] <shbrngdo> I've been toying with FreeBSD-CURRENT lately and a couple of days ago, the latest image was crashing on boot. It's the development branch, all bleeding edge
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[19:54] <plugwash> Last I checked the latest image that debian put out for the Pi doesn't work on a 3b+ , you have to do some manual work.
[19:54] <shbrngdo> I'm in another channel with the devs. there are a lot of RPi-related issues tht need to be resolved. it's an ongoing thing, trying to manage all of the DTB upstream changes [which broke the boot in this last case]
[19:55] <shbrngdo> plugwash - is it related to config.txt ? just curious...
[19:55] <shbrngdo> open firmware and overlays and whatnot cause me a lot of grief
[19:55] <plugwash> The steps as I remember them for debian arm64 on a pi3b+:
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[19:56] <plugwash> Download the image from https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi3 and put it on a SD card.
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[19:57] <plugwash> Manually update bootcode.bin and start*.elf from the raspberry pi firmware repo.
[19:57] <shbrngdo> oh, newest firmware then. yeah, that's what's up then
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[19:57] <shbrngdo> the video core firmware is old
[19:57] <plugwash> Put a copy of the latest arm64 kernel package from debian experimental on the SD card
[19:58] <shbrngdo> that's a little more involved...
[19:58] <plugwash> boot the system in your pi3b+, it will boot but network will be very flaky if it works at all
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, from a wiringPi point of view, there are 3 Pi versions. The original, then b+ which changed some pin mappings and the v2/v3 which chaged the gpio memory base address.
[19:58] <plugwash> install the kernel package from debian experimental using dpkg
[19:58] <plugwash> reboot
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[19:59] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - yeah and on FBSD the board identity is broken, but I can't use /dev/mem either so there ya go. To determine it's a B+ not sure what I can do... [the others are obvious from the running kernel]
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you're unlikely to run fbsd on a a/b version 1 though.
[20:00] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - just to show you where I'm at with this, 11-STABLE [with modified bcm driver] can show you 3 SPI devices. however, changes to the driver [to use FDT info rather than guessing] isn't changing the CS pins to ALT0 automatically. So I'll need to modify the overlay to do that...
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> after the 1.1, the b+ changed 3 gpio pins on the connector.
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[20:00] <shbrngdo> I actually have an old RPi1 B (no +) and it works pretty well.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[20:01] <shbrngdo> here's another thing: on the RPi 1, pin 16 is an LED. It's also E2. On the RPi 2 this changes, and GPIO16/E2 is exposed on the 40 pin connector. So you can use it for SPI
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> I gave up with the on-board leds after a while.
[20:01] <shbrngdo> so the idea is to create the overlay so that E2 is available for the RPi2 and later, but only have 2 of them (E0 and E1) on the RPi1B
[20:02] <shbrngdo> there shoudl be an LED device, right? On FBSD it's /dev/leds/NAME I think
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[20:02] <shbrngdo> the LEDs are defined in the DTB file for the RPi
[20:02] <shbrngdo> or that's how it's SUPPOSED to work
[20:03] <shbrngdo> I may need to boot up a Linux-running RPi again to verify some things
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> in the days before the device tree ...
[20:03] <shbrngdo> I'm trying not to go there at the moment
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> does fbsd use a similar device tree thingy?
[20:03] <shbrngdo> "before the device tree"
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[20:03] <shbrngdo> yes - it's a clone of what Linux has. 'upstream' is whatever Linux has in it at the moment. The devs want to NOT patch that, either
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> debian/raspbian wheezy didn't have device tree.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> or maybe it had, but was optional.
[20:04] <shbrngdo> oh in that case I won't be able to use the other RPi that's part of a piece of equipment. it's using wheezy [deliberately]
[20:05] <shbrngdo> the whole FDT thing is actually pretty good. It's like a plug & play as far as the kernel startup goes
[20:05] <shbrngdo> however, it's not documente well enough for my taste.
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[20:06] <shbrngdo> once you find the magic incantation, you can create your own overlays. Finding that can be 'iffy' at best. There's no feedback. FBSD has its own overlay handler, and that's a bit better.
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[20:06] <shbrngdo> but when you try to use the video core firmware to set it up, I'm not sure it will tell you which line is bad or why
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[20:07] <shbrngdo> I've never gotten dtoverlay to do what I want, in other words [not with FBSD anyway]
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[20:07] <shbrngdo> but FBSD has a line for overlays that you can put into the 'loader.conf' file and you can install kernel modules that way also.
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[20:08] <red9> FreeBSD on Raspberry not working good?
[20:08] <shbrngdo> it works great for vanilla. the problems are when you try to do overlays, or use featuers that aren't implementd yet.
[20:08] <shbrngdo> one of the fixes I'm involved with currently is the correct use of CS, mode, and speed for SPI
[20:08] <red9> like video camera input?
[20:09] <shbrngdo> I don't know if there's a video camera driver for FBSD. there probably is. but if it requires overlays, it might not work.
[20:09] <shbrngdo> a lot of this was fixed within the last month
[20:09] <shbrngdo> it's really 'bleeding edge' at the moment.
[20:09] <red9> ok, so if whatever needs overlays. It's likely not working?
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[20:10] <shbrngdo> I would say a 'qualified yes', though you might find that it DOES work.
[20:10] <shbrngdo> or not
[20:10] <shbrngdo> I've gotten overlays to work, but sometimes the back-end support isn't there (yet)
[20:10] <red9> I would take that as dtoverlay = risk of not working.
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[20:10] <shbrngdo> and it doesn't seem to work (for me) when I use 'dtoverlay' in config.txt
[20:11] <shbrngdo> well I'm assisting devs with getting it fixed
[20:11] <shbrngdo> so it WILL work
[20:11] <uriah> is anyone paying attention and running 64bit on rpi3 in here atm?
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[20:11] <red9> CPU, Ethernet, USB and I/O is the critical part(s).
[20:11] <shbrngdo> if I had an RPi 3 I'd boot it up with FBSD's arm64 version
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[20:12] <shbrngdo> red9 - actually FBSD's method of handling GPIO is superior. it uses an IOCTL and has a utility 'gpioctl' you can use frmo the command line to flip bits, etc.
[20:12] <uriah> shbrngdo: you would either have no sound or no gpu acceleration
[20:12] <shbrngdo> there are no '/sys' vars nor '/proc' vars for FBSD
[20:12] <shbrngdo> uriah - sound works fine out of the box. I haven't had any trouble with it
[20:13] <uriah> I’m talking 64bit
[20:13] <uriah> the device trees are borked
[20:13] <shbrngdo> oh, ok. I'm pretty sure sound works in FBSD but I haven't tried it (on amd64). I could ask someone, I suppose.
[20:13] <shbrngdo> er, not amd64 - arm64
[20:14] <uriah> well fbsd would maybe have a different story
[20:14] <red9> I have one Raspberry Pi running with stone dead USB and Ethernet. And glitchy SD-card. But a SPI-Ethernet and network login saves the day ;)
[20:14] <shbrngdo> the RPi 3 arm64 kernel/world is still not completely working though, from what I've seen [and what people say online]
[20:15] <uriah> mostly is
[20:16] <red9> shbrngdo, Is there any other ARM Cortex-A based board that works better with FreeBSD ? that won't neither cost more than Pi?
[20:16] <shbrngdo> anyway, I'll try performance testing gordon's wiringPi on both FBSD and Linux, and see which can flip the bits faster. Linux uses /dev/mem by default to flip the bits directly in memory. FBSD version can't do that, so it'll use the ioctl interface. I suspect ioctl may be FASTER
[20:16] <uriah> but yeah can’t access the camera cause that requires 32bit userland
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, there is really no way the ioctl can be faster.
[20:17] <shbrngdo> FBSD's 64-bit and 32-bit kernel uses the same source. I suspect that as long as the DTB files aren't causing a problem, it'll work with arm32 or arm64 the same
[20:17] <uriah> ;) we’ll see
[20:17] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - actually, when you look at how the paging works with the memory map, it can
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, how can something that executes more lines of code be faster?
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[20:19] <shbrngdo> like this: you read a memory location that's a register, which requires an immediate read of physical memory. this causes a page fault, and the actual memory is re-read into the page, and returns back. same with writing.
[20:19] <shbrngdo> the page faults could, in fact, be taking longer than an ioctl call
[20:19] <shbrngdo> and you have to do MANy of them. whereas, in the kernel, the memory is already mapped, cache-controlled, etc. and doesn't need to be page-faulted in
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> ok. well let me know what you get. it is of-course academic as the usual reply I give to people who ask about speed is: You're doing it wrong.
[20:20] <red9> Code may run fast. But many times I/O access type will be so slow it will overshadow any code run.
[20:20] <shbrngdo> gordon yeah I'm doing this from a completely different level, and can't use /dev/mem on the same platform to compare that way
[20:21] <uriah> gordonDrogon: Intel certainly did speed wrong :D
[20:21] <shbrngdo> red9 - ioctl calls are generally as fast as any other "drop to the kernel" API call. but there's a bit less fiddling that you have to do on the kernel end
[20:21] <red9> What moooere MHertzz moar better(tm) @ Intel ;)
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[20:22] <uriah> also spectre/meltdown was because of badly implemented performance boost
[20:23] <red9> I think AMD got hurt by that too.
[20:23] <uriah> yup
[20:23] <shbrngdo> actually they just missed a step: not allowing the speculative access to take place if there would be a page fault with the current context
[20:23] <red9> Btw, don't be so sure it's a "misstake".....
[20:23] <uriah> well they had a different issue
[20:23] <uriah> lol
[20:24] <uriah> shbrngdo: ah
[20:24] <shbrngdo> for spectre it's a matter of saving the branch prediction state on a per-process basis [which takes more effort]
[20:24] <uriah> interesting
[20:24] <uriah> I can understand these things.... but only a little :D
[20:24] <red9> It's also those things like SystemManagementMode and ManagementEngine. Both evils.
[20:24] <shbrngdo> there might be un-mitigated versions of these two, but they'd be extremely hard to exploit I think
[20:24] <uriah> yeah
[20:25] <shbrngdo> ManagementEngine needs to die. at least you can disable it [for the moment] in smoe BIOSs
[20:25] <red9> I wonder if ARM have something like SMM or ME..
[20:25] <shbrngdo> I think arm64 might be considering it
[20:25] <shbrngdo> er, devs for arm64
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[20:26] <shbrngdo> it only has value for a small fraction of the things that are out there.
[20:26] <shbrngdo> with arm on embedded devices, very few would benefit
[20:26] <red9> Maybe it was ME that could be "nuked from orbit" by overwritting the appropriate part of BIOS with a Arc4 code that would inhibit the watchdog timer.
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[20:26] <uriah> shbrngdo: apparently disabling ME can leave a security gap though
[20:26] <shbrngdo> I'm more concerned with it being remote-booted over the intarwebs
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[20:27] <shbrngdo> uriah - I bet that's FUD to stop people from doing it
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[20:27] <uriah> heh perhaps
[20:28] <red9> shbrngdo, regarding speed. I found that using GPIOB->ODR = bits.. is slower than using GPIOB->BSRR = .. / GPIOB->BRR = ..
[20:29] <red9> Disabling ME can leave a security gap. The question is for whom ;->
[20:31] <red9> I tested this I/O stuff on a STM32 though. But it's ARM and they are quite alike.
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[20:31] <red9> The digital storage oscilloscope showed definite difference between the two.
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[20:48] <red9> shbrngdo, Any thoughts?
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[20:57] <angry_route> hi guys! I'm trying to setup my RPi inside my home network as a dnscrypt-proxy server, do I need dnsmasq too? Thanks in advance for any help!
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[21:05] <programmerq> does dnsmasq have something that you need that dnscrypt-proxy doesn't have?
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[21:19] <angry_route> it seems that they are redundant, they both cache and redirect, but since I'll be pointing all machine to the RPi I tought maybe I needed dnsmasq
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[22:01] <Li> trying to follow a tutorial to connect rPi3 via usb uart serial .. I can't understand two things 1) why the red wire (+5v) is not connected? 2) on windows the tutorial is using PuTTy to connect to COM port, how under linux connect ttyUSB0? will cu do the job?
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[22:03] <shiftplusone> Li: please make sure you're not using a 5v adapter, it should be a 3.3v one
[22:03] <red9> Li, You only need signals. Not power..
[22:03] <shiftplusone> and you still wouldn't connect the 3.3v line
[22:04] <red9> Li, Think of it like how many wires would you need if you had to blink two lamps..
[22:04] <shiftplusone> Li: on linux I use screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
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[22:08] <Li> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 just giving me a blank screen the same result of cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 9600 ... nothingness
[22:09] <Li> shiftplusone: I'm not sure about 5 and 3.3 v point! do I have to connect the red wire to GPIO pins?
[22:09] <shiftplusone> what is it connected to?
[22:09] <shiftplusone> No, there should only be 3 wires connected
[22:09] <Li> shiftplusone: raspberry pi 3
[22:09] <shiftplusone> ground, rx and tx
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[22:10] <shiftplusone> So you're connecting between your PC running linux and a pi 3?
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[22:10] <Li> yes ubuntu to rpi3
[22:10] <shiftplusone> and rx and tx wires swapped? (rx going to tx and tx going to rx?)
[22:10] <shiftplusone> have you enabled uart on the pi (enable_uart=1 in config.txt)
[22:13] <Li> yes to all
[22:15] <shiftplusone> if you disconnect it from the pi and connect the rx and tx pins together on the usb thingy, does the text you type echo back?
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[22:18] <Li> shiftplusone: yep
[22:18] <Li> and double checked config.txt I think uart is not enabled
[22:18] <Li> this sdcard has older version of ubuntu mate
[22:18] <shiftplusone> oh....
[22:18] <Li> the first time I see such full /boot and long config.txt
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[22:19] <shiftplusone> yeah, I assumed you were using Raspbian
[22:19] <Li> ## Set to "off" to disable uart0
[22:19] <Li> #dtparam=uart0=on
[22:19] <shiftplusone> add enable_uart=1
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[22:20] <shiftplusone> what does cmdline.txt look like?
[22:20] <Li> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles
[22:20] <wondiws> hi, I do "raspi-gpio set 11 op; raspi-gpio set 11 dh" but my LED doesn't shine, am I forgetting something?
[22:21] <wondiws> I remember vaguely there was some catch with the GPIO pins, but I forgot what it was
[22:21] <shiftplusone> are you sure it's on pin 11?
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[22:21] <shiftplusone> Li: that may be okay... but again, since it's Ubuntu, I'm not sure if it will know what 'serial0' is.
[22:22] <wondiws> shiftplusone, I used the pinout diagram
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[22:23] <shiftplusone> Li: if enable_uart=1 is not enough, you may want to change serial0 to ttyS0, if that doesn't work ttyAMA0
[22:23] <wondiws> shiftplusone, you're right, I don't know where the pin numbering is coming from
[22:24] <shiftplusone> wondiws: is it connected roughly in the middle on the left side?
[22:24] <shiftplusone> wondiws: https://pinout.xyz/pinout/pin23_gpio11
[22:24] <wondiws> shiftplusone, I use pin 9 now, this seems to work :P
[22:24] <Li> shiftplusone: what about ttyUSB0?
[22:25] <shiftplusone> Li: ttyUSB0 is on your PC
[22:25] <wondiws> shiftplusone, oh, I need to have the BCM numbering?
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> Li: your pi doesn't have a ttyUSB0, unless you attach something to the USB port which provides it.
[22:25] <shiftplusone> wondiws: yes, BCM is the one true numbering scheme
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[22:26] <Li> shiftplusone: yes that is one of two devices popup when I connect the usb .... /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/serial
[22:26] <shiftplusone> and don't let gordonDrogon convince you otherwise with his fancy shmancy wiringpi numbering scheme.
[22:26] <plugwash> heh
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[22:27] <shiftplusone> Li: not on the pi though. That would pop up on your PC.
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[22:27] <Li> shiftplusone: I'm using this cable https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+to+ttl+uart+wire+cable&client=ubuntu&hs=FdN&channel=fs&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=OYDl45njjknKyM%253A%252C_yWzCEpzj86IkM%252C_&usg=__aiKs4Smj94okDpM3AtwvUqJjTzo%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizsuyxsOraAhWKFiwKHXdKAD4Q9QEIODAA#imgrc=OYDl45njjknKyM:
[22:27] <shiftplusone> Hey plugwash. Haven't seen you around in ages. Been busy?
[22:28] <plugwash> not especially, I think it's more I often forget/don't bother to fire up irc unless I want to ask something
[22:29] <shiftplusone> Li: I really hope you've got the right one. There are 5v ones and 3.3v ones and they are almost indistinguishable.
[22:29] <shiftplusone> plugwash: ah, fair enough.
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[22:31] <Li> shiftplusone: ones? are you reffering to two different types of usb ttl cables?
[22:31] <Li> my understanding all usb ports on the pc side are 5v
[22:31] <Li> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AywJsMLogRY&feature=youtu.be&t=116
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[22:31] <Li> that is the tutorial which i'm trying to follow but he is on wiundows
[22:32] <shiftplusone> Li: usb ports are 5v, yes. However some of those cables operate on 3.3v logic and some on 5v logic.
[22:32] <shiftplusone> if you're using a 5v, then it's putting 5v on the pi's non-5v-tolerant 3.3v pin, which isn't great.
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[22:33] <Johnjay> hey I got some kind "extender" for the raspi's GPIO unit in the mail
[22:33] <Johnjay> does anybodyo know why I would have ordered that?
[22:34] <shiftplusone> Johnjay: what does it look like?
[22:34] <Johnjay> shiftplusone: it's got an ide-ish looking cable along with a little card that connects to the GPIO with little labels
[22:34] <Johnjay> like which pins are tx/rx/gnd/vcc/
[22:34] <shiftplusone> Johnjay: those are usually used to connect to breadboards
[22:35] <Johnjay> it didn't come with a breadboard. but i got 3 breadboards from china in the same day
[22:35] <Johnjay> https://www.amazon.com/PiMill-Raspberry-Expansion-Solderless-Breadboard/dp/B073GCNB91
[22:35] <Johnjay> ^looks like that
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> Looks like you were planning to build something on a breadboard
[22:36] <wondiws> shiftplusone, my buzzer sounds like a geiger counter
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[22:36] <Johnjay> oh you mean like, connecting my raspi to a breadboard?
[22:36] <Johnjay> i guess i thought you could already do that
[22:36] <shiftplusone> Johnjay: you can, but those cables take all of the pins at once, so you don't have to manually run each wire you need to the breadboard. Easier for beginners.
[22:37] <Li> shiftplusone: manually tested the usb ttl red wire and found it's +5v, should that be ok if connected to pin 2?
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[22:37] <Johnjay> right
[22:37] <Johnjay> i see what you mean lol
[22:37] <Johnjay> i was like what the hell is this for
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[22:37] <Johnjay> isn't there a card with the raspi canakit that identifies the GPIO pins anyway?
[22:37] <shiftplusone> Li: the red wire is straight from the usb port, so that's expected to be 5v. However you don't need to connect it.
[22:37] <Li> which is 5v and I used in the past to turn on rpi3 from output pins
[22:37] <shiftplusone> idk, never had a canakit.
[22:38] <shiftplusone> Li: back to the problem at hand though. Did any of the config.txt or cmdline.txt changes make any difference?
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[22:38] <Johnjay> it's an intro pack, comes with the pi + case + adapter + microusb adapter and heat sinks
[22:39] <Johnjay> although i'm disturbed to find the micro sd thing doesn't seem to work now
[22:39] <Johnjay> are those things fragile?
[22:39] <Johnjay> i had it on my keychain
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[22:40] <shiftplusone> Well, they're not bulletproof.
[22:42] <wondiws> does the raspberry pi have hardware PWM?
[22:42] <Johnjay> sure but i wouldn't think something like that would suffer from being in my pocket constantly
[22:42] <shiftplusone> wondiws: yes, but it's used for audio by default. You'd have to disable analog audio before using it.
[22:42] <larsks> wondiws: yes! http://blog.oddbit.com/2017/09/26/some-notes-on-pwm-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[22:42] <larsks> wondiws: newer pis have multiple (2?) hardware pwm pins, and I think at least one of them can be used w/o interfering with audio.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> Ah, I didn't even know that. Thanks.
[22:43] <Li> shiftplusone: not really .. no longer able to connect even
[22:43] <Li> ~/Desktop$ sudo cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 9600
[22:43] <Li> cu: open (/dev/ttyUSB0): Permission denied
[22:43] <Li> cu: /dev/ttyUSB0: Line in use
[22:43] <wondiws> larsks, define "newer" ;)
[22:43] <wondiws> I have Pi 1 & 3
[22:43] <larsks> The ones with the longer gpio port.
[22:43] <larsks> So the 3 definitely.
[22:43] <larsks> The pi 1 I believe has a single hardware pwm pin.
[22:44] <larsks> ...but I don't know for sure.
[22:44] <shiftplusone> Li: probably because you haven't quit screen properly?
[22:44] <wondiws> larsks, should I be able to get a beep on a piezo with software PWM?
[22:44] <wondiws> because this sounds like a geiger counter
[22:44] <Li> nope the permission right were changed once I unplugged and I gave again 777
[22:44] <larsks> You should get a sound, but it may not be very high fidelity. That's why I started looking into hardware pwm originally.
[22:45] <Li> it's connecting now but the same blank screen
[22:45] <larsks> wondiws: but also, take a look at https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
[22:45] <Li> do you know any keyboard shortcut to quit this cu command?
[22:45] <larsks> That sits somewhere between hardware and software pwm, and I think should provide you with a higher quality pulse than you get w/ software on any pin.
[22:45] <larsks> (I just used the existing hardware pwm to drive a piezo buzzer in my project; I didn't need anything fancier)
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[22:47] <Li> crap cu command is totally not to be used for this purpose .. what I'm doing!
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[22:48] * shiftplusone has no idea what cu is.
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[22:49] <Li> shiftplusone: it's to be used to execut AT dialup command against modems
[22:49] <larsks> Li: I think cu uses '~.' to exit.
[22:49] <Li> nice to know stuff and I'm going to learn that one too soon
[22:49] <Li> but right now screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 is still blank
[22:50] <Li> yep larsks thanks
[22:50] <shiftplusone> tried changing serial0 to ttyS0 ?
[22:50] <shiftplusone> in cmdline.txt
[22:50] <shiftplusone> (Really you should just use Raspbian, so we don't have to guess what the problem might be.)
[22:50] <Li> shiftplusone: I'm not sure what is serial0? I can see only /dev/serial
[22:51] <Li> oh ok in the fiule
[22:51] <Li> file
[22:51] <shiftplusone> don't worry about what you can see from your PC, this is about what your Pi will see.
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[22:52] <shiftplusone> You've already tried the echo test (shorting rx and tx and making sure stuff echos back). So we know everything is fine on that end.
[22:52] <Li> $ cat cmdline.txt
[22:52] <Li> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles
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[22:52] <Li> that is it?
[22:53] <shiftplusone> yeah, give that a go.
[22:53] <larsks> Li: so your kernel is using the serial port right now...
[22:53] <shiftplusone> (wait a few minutes, because it may take a while for the login shell to come up)
[22:54] <Li> ~/Desktop$ screen /dev/ttyS0 115200
[22:54] <Li> [screen is terminating]
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[22:55] <Li> maybe I need to change /dev/ttyS0 permission too
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[22:55] <larsks> Li: did you see my note a moment ago? If that /proc/cmdline output was from your Pi, then your kernel is configured to use the serial output for console output, so you're not going to able to open it without fixing that first.
[22:56] <Li> yep .. connected to ttyS0 but it's blank again
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[22:57] <shiftplusone> how long has it been since the pi was powered on?
[22:57] <Li> larsks: I thought fixing that is just by changing serial to ttyS0
[22:57] <shiftplusone> larsks: the point is to connect to the console
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[22:57] <larsks> Ah, see, this is what I get for not following the conversation closely enough.
[22:58] <larsks> So I'll just hide under this rock for a while. Carry on!
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> Li: can you pastebin the whole config.txt?
[22:59] <shiftplusone> larsks: also, it's ubuntu mate, so it may be configured in a way that raspbian isn't. =/
[22:59] <shiftplusone> but if config.txt and cmdline.txt are right, it should at least give you the login shell
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[23:01] <Li> shiftplusone: I'm not sure you wanna do that :) PI_BOOT$ cat config.txt | wc -l
[23:01] <Li> 1201
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[23:01] <shiftplusone> Li: that's fine, I should be able to skim through it for the relevant lines. Just don't paste it into IRC.
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[23:01] <Li> I think I don't like this old copy of ubuntu mate and I'm going to reimage another sdcard and try to apply the same steps on it
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[23:02] <shiftplusone> How old? Like.... this probably doesn't run on a pi 3 old?
[23:02] <shiftplusone> and is it a pi 3 B or a pi 3 B+ ?
[23:03] <Li> the pi itself is v3 B
[23:03] <Li> but the sdcard contains some older version of ubuntu mate .. I'm trying another one now
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[23:04] <shiftplusone> btw... 'wc -l config.txt'. No need for cat abuse.
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[23:07] <Li> not sure what cat abuse is! the new image i'm making right now is ubuntu-mate-16.04.2
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[23:07] <shiftplusone> Using the 'cat' command and then piping the output to another command which can already take the filename as an input.
[23:07] <wondiws> "Error: this module can only be run on a raspberry pi!" :P
[23:07] <wondiws> I'm running on it
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[23:08] <shiftplusone> wondiws: whatever it is you're running, I guess it's old and checks cpuinfo for the pi revision... and yours is newer than what it's aware of.
[23:08] <shiftplusone> (if I had to guess)
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[23:09] <wondiws> shiftplusone, I'm running the RPi1 right now :P
[23:10] <shiftplusone> oh
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> wondiws: what's the module?
[23:12] <wondiws> shiftplusone, I don't know
[23:12] <shiftplusone> what's giving that output?
[23:13] <shiftplusone> that pwm python module?
[23:13] <wondiws> shiftplusone, never mind, I'm already trying something else first ;)
[23:14] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/metachris/RPIO/blob/c4e8b73407ddec416d5cabf5057f5ddf8b699c99/source/c_gpio/py_gpio.c#L536
[23:14] <shiftplusone> yeah, Iw as just curious
[23:16] <Li> https://pastebin.com/6NSeC8ig the new config.txt and cmdline.txt of ubuntu mate 16.04.2
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[23:17] <shiftplusone> Looks like it should work
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[23:20] <Li> but it doesn't ... there is something is missing but I don't know it
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[23:20] * shiftplusone ponders
[23:20] <shiftplusone> you've given it a few minutes to boot up fully?
[23:20] <Li> and I still don't understand why should I be getting any connection with device switched off !? the red wire is connected!
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[23:21] <Li> it's not booting because the red wire is not connected
[23:21] <Li> rPi is off
[23:21] <shiftplusone> you're not powering your pi from a proper power supply?
[23:21] <shiftplusone> well yeah.... the idea is that you'd have proper power supply to power up the pi
[23:21] <Li> no .. that is the whole point of the tutorial ... have not you looked at it?
[23:22] <shiftplusone> >_<
[23:22] <Li> so, should it be fine to connect red wire to pin 2 or 4?
[23:22] <Li> I don't get why not
[23:23] <shiftplusone> it's fine if you don't have a proper power supply, but it may not provide enough current for your pi to be stable
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> Have we been trying to get serial output from a pi that wasn't powered on for the last hour or so?
[23:23] <cousteau`> o/
[23:23] <shiftplusone> \o
[23:23] <Li> shiftplusone: because the phone charger i'm using for rPi is complaining about lack of sufficient power
[23:24] <Li> it's putting yellow sign on top of screen
[23:24] <shiftplusone> a PC's USB port through a longish cable isn't likely to be much better.
[23:25] <cousteau`> Good evening. I am a USB-C fanboy and was wondering… if USB-C starts catching up as an alternative to HDMI, will Raspberry Pi eventually adopt it?
[23:25] <shiftplusone> but let's get serial working. I want to go home, but now I'm too invested.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> cousteau`: they don't generally talk about their future plans, so nobody outside of raspberry pi really knows.
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[23:25] <Li> shiftplusone: we did, and I've been asking more than couple of times about the red wire connection and sent the youtube tutorial right on the second where the guy is talking about connecting the wire later but not now .. which I didn't understood why
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[23:26] <shiftplusone> cousteau`: I think the key factor will be "is it cheap enough to meet the $35 price and more important than any other change we could make"
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[23:26] <cousteau`> I could imagine an RPi with USB-C for everything (charge, USB, video output… is there already Ethernet over USB?)
[23:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, ethernet is already on USB, but that's something to move away from
[23:27] <Li> the bad news I still get the same blank using screen /dev/ttyS0 115200
[23:28] <shiftplusone> not ttyS0
[23:28] <shiftplusone> ttyUSB0
[23:28] <Li> tried both actually
[23:28] <cousteau`> well, to begin with it'd remove the royalty you have to pay for having HDMI, but not sure how expensive making a new SoC would get
[23:28] <cousteau`> ttyACM0?
[23:29] <cousteau`> …never mind
[23:29] <Li> tried changing baud to 9600 on both also
[23:29] <shiftplusone> the baud rate is set in cmdline.txt. It's 115200 in the output you sent earlier
[23:29] <shiftplusone> so those need to match
[23:29] <shiftplusone> well. I give up
[23:30] <shiftplusone> LLVM and Chromium builds started... time to go home
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[23:32] <Li> cousteau`: no ttyACM0
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[23:33] <Li> shiftplusone: are you screen is the way to go? is it possible to use ssh?
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[23:39] <programmerq> Li▸ for connecting to a serial port, screen is a pretty good choice.
[23:39] <programmerq> ssh is an encrypted network protocol, which you can indeed use, but not for a dumb serial port.
[23:40] <larsks> Li: screen is pretty good. I sometimes use tio (https://github.com/tio/tio)
[23:41] * larsks likes screen because of the zmodem support.
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[23:51] <Li> ok I confirmed the second made sdcard has a kernel panic problem which is why the screen is not showing anything but the 1st image is working fine!
[23:51] <Li> still just geting nothing from the screen
[23:52] <Li> how is it possible to use the same usb ttl cable to read/view data other serial ports like the ones on PCs
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[23:53] <Li> is it safe in the first place? in terms of voltage?
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