#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-05-05

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[0:07] <u-ou> can the 3 play youtube alright?
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[0:28] <Johnjay> the rpi sounds like a perfect candidate for a lot of things
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[0:33] <H__> aye
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[2:05] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to hook up an existing doorbell to the pi?
[2:06] <Reedy> wires
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[2:07] <AlexPortable> to where?
[2:07] <AlexPortable> and won't the voltage difference be bad?
[2:07] <Reedy> Your question is too vague to answer. Hook it up to a pi to do what exactly?
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[2:08] <AlexPortable> don't know yet
[2:08] <AlexPortable> maybe log to a file
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[2:15] <u-ou> can the raspberry pi 3 play youtube ok?
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[2:19] <aScottishBoat> Hey guys.
[2:20] <aScottishBoat> Is it possible to configure the pi to auto login on startup and to launch a browser to a specific webpage? If so, are there resources I can read over? I can't seem to find my answer online.
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[2:23] <ebarch> aScottishBoat: check out https://github.com/guysoft/FullPageOS
[2:23] <aScottishBoat> ebarch: Thanks pal, I'll take a look now.
[2:23] <ebarch> =)
[2:23] <aScottishBoat> Wow, this is exactly what I need.
[2:24] <aScottishBoat> 341 commits and updated 4 days ago? Seems like my kind of repo ;) Thanks again ebarch
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[2:24] <ebarch> no problemo. I've had good luck with it myself
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[2:28] <aScottishBoat> ebarch: what projects have you used the pi for?
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[2:35] <uriah> so there’s no flow control for Bluetooth on the rpi3 rev 1.2 eh...
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[2:37] <ebarch> aScottishBoat: oh, quite a few. an ntp time server (using a GPS module to sync to the time being transmitted from satellites), media frontend (kodi), ads-b receiver (planes transmit this), a node in a storage array (using syncthing), a webcam (motioneyeos), a VPN server (pivpn.io), and I get to use them all day at work to help grow leafy greens (hy
[2:37] <ebarch> droponic urban farming)
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[2:38] <aScottishBoat> ebarch: wonderful!
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[2:38] <ebarch> how about you?
[2:39] <aScottishBoat> I've barely tinkered with them, although I have a pi zero. We're doing a demo for IoT World (IoT conference soon) doing some IoT stuff using pis.
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[2:39] <aScottishBoat> So after this I'll have some experience under my belt.
[2:39] <aScottishBoat> PiVPN, I'll have to do that.
[2:40] <ebarch> oh nice. the zero is great to start with. can't beat that price (assuming you can get your hands on one in a reasonable amount of time)
[2:40] <ebarch> especially now that they have wifi and BT included
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[2:41] <supernovah> Hey I'm setting up an install of raspbian-lite (debian 8) for the first time on a pi 2/B/1.1 without a monitor or keyboard input so all I can do at the moment is access the card before the first boot on another machine. I previously did this by configuring systemd to run an instance of getty on ttyAMA0 but I forgot the process. I have another pi 2/b/1.1 running remotely and I can see that it has a
[2:41] <supernovah> serial-getty@ttyAMA0.service in getty.target.wants
[2:41] <ebarch> pihole is nice to have as well for ad blocking. I also just a blocker in my browser. but it's an extra layer of protection (and stops my Roku from blasting me with ads all over the home screen)
[2:41] <supernovah> how can I get this new one going? I can't run systemctl on it obviously because the card is not actually on the booted system
[2:41] <ebarch> use a blocker*
[2:42] <ebarch> supernovah: is it a Pi with a WiFi adapter? if so, you can drop the wifi config into the boot partition (that shows up on any win/mac/linux PC)
[2:43] <ebarch> at the same time, I'd recommend dropping a file named "ssh" into that partition. that will let you SSH in as soon as it boots and connects to your WiFi
[2:43] <supernovah> ebarch: no its not and wont ever be, eventually I'll configure it to run on a subnet but at the moment it is unbooted, and the card is just being accessed on a linux box for config before the first boot. I desire to use GND/14/15 for ttl232 comms to a PC
[2:44] <supernovah> I did it last time using a unit and systemd, but it required some trickery because systemctl couldn't enable it because at this stage its just files on a card...
[2:45] <ebarch> ah, I see. hmm, if I recall -- raspbian has a tty enabled on the serial pins by default. in fact, you usually have to explicitly disable it if you want to use the UART for something non-console related
[2:45] <akk> supernovah: Best thing to google for is something like raspberry 3 OR zero headless ... I'm looking for a good link but you may find one as quickly as I do.
[2:45] <akk> Or maybe just look at the end of /boot/config.txt, it might have a comment about what lines you need to uncomment.
[2:46] <akk> You don't need to run systemd or anything, just a line or two in a file in /boot.
[2:46] <supernovah> akk: I was at that for the last half an hour and couldn't find what I found earlier in the week lol
[2:46] <supernovah> akk: yea I don't want to use that method, i'd rather use systemd
[2:46] <akk> supernovah: Okay, hold on, I'll boot one of mine and see what I have.
[2:47] <ebarch> yeah, my fresh install of raspbian has "console=serial0,115200 console=tty1" in my config.txt tty is enabled by default on the serial pins
[2:47] <supernovah> do I copy /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service to /etc/systemd/system/serial-getty@ttyAMA0.service ?
[2:48] <ebarch> no, you'd just want to sudo systemctl enable serial-getty (that automatically sets up the link)
[2:48] <supernovah> but this device is not alive
[2:48] <supernovah> its just a card in another computer
[2:48] <ebarch> oh, gotcha
[2:48] <supernovah> and no monitor/keyboard etc
[2:48] <supernovah> its running a lite version of jessie
[2:49] <ebarch> i suppose I'm just surprised it doesn't already have the console enabled on the tty. serial-getty should already be enabled in a fresh install
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[2:49] <ebarch> my install is also lite
[2:50] <akk> supernovah: I think it's these two lines in config.txt: enable_uart=1, followed by dtoverlay=pi3-disable-bt
[2:50] <akk> supernovah: bluetooth and the serial console conflict, alas
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[2:50] <supernovah> akk: this is a pi 2, model b v 1.11
[2:50] <supernovah> 1.1*
[2:51] <akk> Oh, I was assume 3 or 0. In that case, sorry, I don't know. I skipped the 2, I only have 1, 3 and 0.
[2:51] <akk> I thought the 2 was like the 1 with serial enabled by default, but it sounds like no.
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[2:52] <supernovah> oh this sounds right, copy /lib/systemd/service/serial-getty@.service to /etc/systemd/system/serial-getty@ttyAMA0.service, modify it as desried then ln -s it as /etc/systemd/system/gettiy.target.wants/<samename>
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[2:54] * ebarch wonders if you could also accomplish this via chroot
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[2:55] <ebarch> but i bet that wouldn't work, because you'd have ARM binaries on your x86 machine
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[2:56] * ebarch wonders harder about QEMU + chroot
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[3:02] <supernovah> what I really want to know is how to do systemctl enable with a card that isn't the rootfs in a host system
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[3:03] <ebarch> you could if you had another raspberry pi (or a way to connect that SD card to the pi while you booted from another SD card)
[3:03] <ebarch> because then you could chroot from the booting pi into the non-booted FS
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[3:04] <supernovah> ebarch: but every pi I have runs without a monitor or keyboard so I need to be able to set them up this way lol
[3:04] <ebarch> hah, but are you trying to flash raspbian lite? because if so, they should already have the serial tty functionality out of the box
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[3:05] <supernovah> yea it didn't that's why I'm here
[3:05] <supernovah> I was trying to strip down the setup process
[3:05] <supernovah> I'm reading that systemctl enable creates that symlink... might just try to boot now and see what happens heh
[3:05] <ebarch> can't hurt
[3:07] <supernovah> aaand we're live
[3:07] <ebarch> ... aren't pins 8/10 the UART?
[3:07] <supernovah> 14/15 (labels, not physical) on this
[3:08] <ebarch> ah, okay
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[3:10] <ebarch> so here's another wacky way you might be able to accomplish that systemd enable. https://www.pcsteps.com/1199-raspberry-pi-emulation-for-windows-qemu/
[3:11] <ebarch> emulate an ARM CPU to boot raspbian (full) and then chroot into your non-booted SD card fs
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[3:20] <supernovah> ebarch: seems a little overkill
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[3:21] <supernovah> alright now I've realised I don't have a switch at home so I can't do much now anyway, lol
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[3:28] <ebarch> hah, I said wacky for a reason. just pontificating, don't mind me
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[3:53] <derooz> Hey, What's the best way to put together a RPi, a adafruit PN532 breakout board, and a buzzer? Custom print a case and a PCB?
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[6:35] <u-ou> does the 3 need a cooler?
[6:37] <oq> no
[6:37] <u-ou> ok good
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[8:29] <chinztor> Hi. I want to set up my RaspPi 3 for torrent seeding
[8:29] <chinztor> I have only worked with windows system
[8:30] <chinztor> so, which OS could be better?
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[10:00] <luxio> are rpis good for seedboxes?
[10:02] <Lartza> No
[10:02] <SirLagz> luxio: depends on how fast your internet connection is
[10:03] <Lartza> SirLagz, It does?
[10:03] <SirLagz> Lartza: sure. if your internet connection only uploads at 5mbit, the Pi isn't going to be a bottleneck.
[10:03] <Lartza> But... I guess...
[10:03] <SirLagz> Lartza: not everyone has 100mbit pipes :P
[10:04] <BurtyB> and many of those with 100 down don't get 100 up :(
[10:04] <Lartza> Neither do I, at least on the upload department
[10:05] <SirLagz> I haven't tried it yet, but I'd guess a Pi would do fine as a seedbox on my internet connection
[10:05] <Lartza> The Pi really isn't going to perform the best even on 5mbit. Since it's not all about the upload
[10:05] <Lartza> Like, how are you going to get the files to the Pi, and store them on what
[10:05] <SirLagz> Lartza: USB HDD. you aren't going to max out the Pi on a 5mbit upload.
[10:06] <Lartza> And do you first download the files onto that HDD on another computer?
[10:06] <SirLagz> Lartza: or you're just seeding whatever was donwloaded to the Pi in the first place
[10:07] <Lartza> In which case you are limited by the I/O the Pi has if your download speed is sufficient
[10:07] <SirLagz> Lartza: indeed, but again, dependent on your internet connection. USB HDD I/O on the Pi is reasonable
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[10:08] <Lartza> All in all, my opinion is a Pi can be an okay seedbox, much like it can be an okay lot of things. But good is stretching it
[10:08] <SirLagz> Lartza: well, then like I said earlier, it depends on your internet connection
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[10:09] <Lartza> If you are on a 5mbit upload nothing is really going to be a good seedbox though yes
[10:09] <Lartza> That really applies to my 100/10 too
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[10:09] <SirLagz> Lartza: pretty much.
[10:10] <SirLagz> I'm only on 50/20 but I don't have a Pi as a seedbox lol
[10:14] <Lartza> I don't have a seedbox, period. :P
[10:14] <Lartza> Funnily enough I'm more like on a 88/12 connection but my ISP does kind of advertise the upload speed isn't limited and instead is as high as it can be for a given location
[10:14] <SirLagz> I've only got my NAS lol
[10:14] <SirLagz> Lartza: VDSL?
[10:14] <Lartza> Yes
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[10:15] <SirLagz> Lartza: yeah same here, but I'm on a lower plan. my ISP also has a 100/40 plan but I dunno whether I'd actually get that speed or not
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[10:16] <Lartza> 100/10 is the highest I can get unfortunately. But it's 5€ a month so meh
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[10:17] <SirLagz> lol...my 50/20 connection is AUD$90 a month
[10:17] <Lartza> More download would be nice since games are so big nowadays but since none of my friends have a faster connection either I guess it doesn't really matter if steam can't push faster
[10:17] <Lartza> :P
[10:18] <SirLagz> stupid australian internet
[10:18] <Lartza> A regular price for 100/10 would be around 40€ though
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[10:18] <Lartza> ISP and renting company have an arrangement so it drops to 10€ and I get a 50% discount from the ISP since I'm young
[10:19] <SirLagz> nice
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[11:57] <wondiws> hi there, is the GPIO output of the RPi(3) capable of providing enough current to sound a PC speaker?
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> wondiws, I've driven a 64Ω speaker directly from gpio in the past.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> however I'd not recommend it for anything other than a quick test.
[11:59] <wondiws> gordonDrogon, alright, this is a quick test ;)
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> the 3.5mm jack output is really intended as a line output or high impedance headphones.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> try to keep the current to under 16mA.
[11:59] <Armand> Morning, Gordon. :)
[11:59] <wondiws> gordonDrogon, I'm not talking about the 3.5mm jack
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> https://youtu.be/Ij_HR_kr_eg
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> in that video I'm driving a 64Ω speaker directly.
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> it uses the softTone module in wiringPi to make the tones, but only plays the tone for 100mS then goes back to scanning the inputs, so it's not perfect, but hey ho.
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[12:13] <wondiws> gordonDrogon, I use hardware pwm ofcourse
[12:13] <wondiws> I think I have a buzzer on a tiny board that uses VCC input, I will try to find it
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I'd not written code to run the pwm in tone mode back then. thats video is almost 6 years old.
[12:16] <wondiws> gordonDrogon, oh, I had it in the regular PWM mode :P
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> ideally, you change from balanced mode to mark:space mode.
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[12:17] <wondiws> gordonDrogon, this PWM is versatile :P
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[12:42] <Li> I'm trying to interface/debug/commmunicate with serial rs232 port of GEFRAN PLC that works on 24v. I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to connect directly with USB to TTL but not sure what to do exactly. can anyone help please?
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[12:44] <Li> measuring the mentioned male db-9 port pins voltage levels against pin1 and/or pin5, I found pins 3,4,7 at 7.5v the reset are zeros
[12:44] <immibis> get a USB-to-RS232 converter?
[12:45] <Li> pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[12:45] <ebarch> Li: RS232 is typically +/- 15VDC. an RS232 adapter/converter will handle the voltage translation
[12:46] <immibis> if it's TTL then connecting it to RS232 is liable to fry it, the voltage is much higher (and negative)
[12:46] <immibis> a converter designed for RS232 should be fine
[12:46] <Li> ebarch: I read rs232 voltages can vary from 5 to 24 volts and I won't make sure before destroying the PC motherboard or raspberry
[12:47] <Li> eventually I will let rPi do the job instead of a PC
[12:47] <ebarch> yup, they can vary. but that's why you want an rs232 adapter
[12:48] <immibis> it's also possible to make your own voltage converter, but probably not worth it
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> just make sure the rs232 adapter doesn't say "TTL".
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> then it ought to handle the +/- voltages correctly.
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[12:51] <Li> immibis: what is the difference between the convertor and TTL ,, can you show images for both?
[12:51] <Li> these the ones I have
[12:51] <Li> https://it.aliexpress.com/item/PL2303HX-USB-To-TTL-RS232-UART-Auto-Converter-To-COM-Cable-Adapter-Module-EM88/32820776994.html?src=google&albslr=221093620&isdl=y&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&source=%7Bifdyn:dyn%7D%7Bifpla:pla%7D%7Bifdbm:DBM&albch=DID%7D&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&isdl=y&albcp=664365055&albag=32654331814&slnk=&trgt=87981925924&plac=&crea=it32820776994&netw=g&device=c&mtctp=&aff_p
[12:51] <Li> latform=google&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy5TW97Lu2gIVbbHtCh2mtAlHEAQYAyABEgIocfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
[12:52] <immibis> TTL level is 0V for off, 5V for on. RS232 is <anywhere between -24V and -5V> for on, <anywhere between 5V and 24V> for off
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> urls are too long, but one says TTL
[12:52] <Li> https://www.google.com/search?q=uc-232A&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtrs-gs-7aAhUEXMAKHSGFCqUQ_AUICigB&biw=1635&bih=863#imgrc=VRyvvUVlYgrczM:
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> technically is -3 to -15v and +3 to +15v however who cares about that these days.
[12:53] <Li> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&biw=1635&bih=863&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=7oztWr_SKeKL6ASQzrXIDg&q=renkforce+serial+adapter+sapberry&oq=renkforce+serial+adapter+sapberry&gs_l=img.3...7256.9904.0.10588.9.9.0.0.0.0.140.804.8j1.9.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.0.0....0.jknTX5c8lwk#imgrc=Z7KS9lSEK1WLlM:
[12:53] <Li> which one I can use for this task?
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> Li, no idea - I am not going to click on those urls.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> Li, why not just read the product specification yourself? If it says rs232 and doesn't say ttl then (in theory) it should be fine.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> if you trust anything from aliexpress that is.
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[12:58] <mfa298> Li: if you want something to add some protection maybe look at the max232 or max3232 which might provide the level conversion you need
[12:59] <immibis> I would look for the ones with DB9 (the almost-rectangular ones with round corners, slanted ends and 9 pins) connectors since those are traditionally used for RS-232, it's more likely the circuit attached to them will be designed for RS-232
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[13:00] <Li> mfa298: I'm looking into the manual as per gordonDrogon suggestion and I can not see anything related to voltage levels ... it only mentions the baudrate up to 230kbps
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> well if it says rs232, then ...
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[13:01] <Li> it says works with mobile phones, pdas, digital cameras, modem and isdn terminal adaptes
[13:02] <mfa298> I'd agree with immibis, if something provides a DE9 connector then I'd expect it to work with any standard RS232 voltages (and I'm being pedantic, it's not a DB9 connector although many call it that)
[13:04] <Li> UC232A ... they even mentioned working temperatuer and power consumption but not the maximum voltage tolerance!
[13:04] <Li> I will just give it a go on an old pc
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[13:04] <Li> wait for blue magic smoke
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[13:06] <Li> 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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[13:07] <Li> oops sorry for that
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[13:12] <GenteelBen> Li: we'll need more than empty words as an apology.
[13:13] <Li> GenteelBen: fuck off
[13:14] <Li> hope that is empty enough
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[13:18] * ChanServ sets mode +o gordonDrogon
[13:18] * Li was kicked from #raspberrypi by gordonDrogon
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[13:22] <immibis> well GenteelBen wasn't the nicest either
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[16:56] <Project86__> I find it disappointing the lack of pi cases made for tft. And why not a single one of them have pop on cover to protect the screen when not in use, is beyond me.
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[16:57] <HighInBC> Project86__: I agree
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[16:59] <Project86__> And how come there aren't tft enclosures for pi Zero? I searched for days, closest thing I found was a homemade nes controller style enclose for pi + the funhat thingy with the nes controller layout + tft
[17:00] <Project86__> I just want a screen enclosure for pi Zero with the little 1.44 tft I have
[17:01] <Project86__> I suppose I'll have to find a way to access a 3d printer and make my own..
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> can you mount the tft on a protoboard - the use e.g. the Pimoroni Coup� case?
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[17:35] <shauno_> I think the catch with tft cases, is that every man and his dog makes a different tft
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[17:38] <BurtyB> shauno, that was my thoughts on it too
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[17:44] <shauno> I do wish the foundation's case was utilized better. more hats that actually fit it (including the foundation's own!), and third-party snap-in lids
[17:44] <shauno> if someone made a tft board that came with a lid that snapped into the foundation's case, that'd give them a hell of a selling point over every other $3 panel
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[17:45] <BurtyB> if they spent that amount on a mould etc. I doubt it would be $3 anymore
[17:46] <BurtyB> there are a few acrylic cases out there for LCD tho
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[17:47] <shauno> well you don't want to sell a $3 panel for $3 anyway. that's china's game. you want to add enough perceived value that people will pay adafruit prices for aliexpress parts
[17:50] <tristero> Adafruit prices pay for excellent documentation, videos, Python libraries, support forums, in addition to the hardware you get in the mail
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[18:12] <mlankhorst> yay, 4x solar power + 4x 3400 mah li-ion battery array powering my pi \o/
[18:13] <mlankhorst> now to get wifi working as far out as I need it to
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[18:50] <Project86__> shauno: agreed, a snap in tft cover would outsell all those other cases easy. BurtyB the acrylic cases (most) are trash. Like those 9 layer cases. Looks great, pain in the ass to assemble. Wanna just pop it out, not happening lol
[18:51] <Project86__> wow, yet there's a case for a breadboard all nicely covered and slim... smh https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZpyBZhJe/Screenshot_20180505-114552.png
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[18:59] <shauno> I Really like the foundation's case. it's just a shame nothing fits in it. not convinced the poe hat is going to either, given head-height for the fan
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[19:00] <shauno> the sense-hat *almost* does, if you snap a few bits
[19:00] <BurtyB> sounds like you best get writing that biz plan ;)
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[19:01] <uriah> so is anyone in here using Bluetooth with a pi3 b rev 1.2?
[19:01] <uriah> I’ve managed to get it “working”
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[19:02] <uriah> but I get repeated keys and random repeated characters appear that I don’t even press
[19:02] <BurtyB> of the 10 or so Pi I have around the house they're just bare or in acrylic cases - the official cases for both the zero and pi3 are just sat unused on my desk heh
[19:03] <uriah> soooo iiii ttypppeee liiike thiiisss
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[19:03] <snowzone> uriah: i had that same issue... ended up not using bluetooh
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[19:04] <uriah> pretty much
[19:04] <snowzone> i'm actually using a wireless microsoft keyboard/mouse. used a dongle but worked out of the box
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[19:06] <uriah> snowzone: it’s either related to bluez code interfacing with the uhid kernel module, or the module itself, or packet loss due to the serial connection to the Bluetooth hw.... which has no flow control
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[19:06] <uriah> or a combination of the three
[19:07] <uriah> and #bluez-users is rather quiet
[19:07] <snowzone> this was months ago but i read that the rpi3 had a "power issue" when it came to bluetooh...i went through all the steps that were recommended. nada. my time was worth more so i just gave up on bluetooh
[19:08] <snowzone> so out of the 4 usb ports, one is used by the microsoft dongle... i didn't really look back :)
[19:09] <snowzone> sorry not a microsoft keyboard a logitech one
[19:09] <davr0s> i see it may be possible to recycle dead laptop's screens ,
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[19:10] <uriah> snowzone: ah
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[19:12] <uriah> snowzone: what I’ve read is that there’s no flow control for the uart connection to the bt hw
[19:12] <snowzone> uriah: yeah, sucks, but i figure next rpi will fix it given the number of complaints i saw about it
[19:12] <uriah> it’s fixed in rev 1.3 and b+
[19:13] <uriah> apparently
[19:13] <snowzone> uriah: same here but was related to power. chip that did the bluetooth was "underpowered"
[19:13] <snowzone> or something like that
[19:13] <uriah> hmm
[19:13] <snowzone> uriah: i thought i had that version, but it wasn't fixed... i can't remember now
[19:13] <uriah> I might just get a b+, sigh
[19:14] <erm3nda> i had problems with bt dongle too :-/
[19:14] <uriah> snowzone: take a look at the revision on the board
[19:14] <snowzone> think the "b" stands for bluetotth and the "+" stands for "? :)orking"
[19:14] <uriah> lol snowzone
[19:14] <erm3nda> i have b+ model and has no bluetooth ...
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[19:15] <erm3nda> i think means basic plus :D
[19:15] <uriah> erm3nda: yeah it’s pretty tricky in general, hardware issues aside
[19:15] <snowzone> my rpi is in a red aluminum case and mounted to one leg of a dual monitor arm and connected to a 7" monitor... be work for me to check that board :)
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[19:15] <erm3nda> i plugged the worst chinessed dongle
[19:15] <erm3nda> seems my fault :D
[19:15] <uriah> heh
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[19:15] <uriah> snowzone: ah ok
[19:16] <snowzone> i've got the box it came in sitting here i'll see if it's mentioned
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[19:17] <erm3nda> i have my bt working, but when i use all 4 usb including wifi all comes shit like hell
[19:17] <snowzone> box just says rpi 3 model B
[19:17] <erm3nda> im looking for 3A power supply
[19:17] <snowzone> so probably mpt
[19:18] <uriah> ok
[19:18] <snowzone> when i was younger i would have done the whole rpi thing from scratch, but i bought a CanaKit. has everything you need in one box
[19:18] <uriah> erm3nda: lol I have a 10A 5V power supply
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[19:19] <uriah> I plan on using it for 5m of multicoloured leds
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[19:21] <uriah> snowzone: yeah mine was a small canakit
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[19:21] <snowzone> my original plan was to try an interface the rpi with the littlebits system... haven't really gotten that far onit
[19:21] <uriah> and they slipped me an older pi
[19:21] <uriah> heh most of my projects I don’t complete
[19:22] <snowzone> uriahL LOL yeah i hear ya
[19:22] <uriah> I’m working on just having a nice pi workstation now
[19:22] <uriah> but using Gentoo
[19:23] <uriah> a very minimal one
[19:23] <snowzone> i'm actually using now with that version of Mathematica... wrote my first Mathematic program on it was happy enough with the results to buy the "Home" version of Mathematic on my laptop
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[19:23] <uriah> cool
[19:24] <snowzone> i need to swith from raspian...chrome won't launch on it, this version seems to be buggy as hell
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[19:24] <erm3nda> uriah, 10A ?? why?
[19:24] <uriah> I challenged myself to get 64bit musl+busybox going on a pi3, including a wayland based desktop
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[19:24] <erm3nda> uriah, is not so much at all?
[19:24] <uriah> erm3nda: led
[19:25] <erm3nda> uriah, i was thinking on external mechanical hdd's
[19:25] <uriah> they use 60A
[19:25] <uriah> mA*
[19:25] <erm3nda> but they have only 0,700A
[19:25] <uriah> each
[19:25] <uriah> ah
[19:25] <erm3nda> mmm ok
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[19:26] <uriah> so this desktop OS I’m making is under 80MB so far
[19:27] <snowzone> based on Gentoo?
[19:27] <uriah> yup
[19:27] <snowzone> been a long time since i used Gentoo...
[19:27] <uriah> no X11 stuff, only wayland
[19:27] <snowzone> i bounce around linux's a lot
[19:27] <uriah> which is a bit crazy
[19:27] <uriah> ah heh
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[19:28] <uriah> snowzone: what is your main distribution now?
[19:28] <snowzone> kubuntu on my home setup...
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[19:29] <uriah> ah
[19:29] <uriah> I can’t stand ready-made stuff
[19:29] <snowzone> mainly because there's a few more obscure pieces of software i want and ubuntu has them i hate hunting down source
[19:29] <uriah> too non-customizable
[19:29] <uriah> ah ok
[19:29] <snowzone> i was the same way, but then my time got more important to me that getting it just right
[19:29] <uriah> ah
[19:30] <snowzone> i used Arch for the longest time
[19:30] <uriah> yeah I know what you mean
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[19:30] <snowzone> but the update schedule was killing me and i finally got burnt on one of hte updates so gave up on it
[19:30] <uriah> but to me just right is very minimal
[19:30] <uriah> ah ok
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[19:31] <snowzone> for me it is too, i did the Linux From Scratch thing 10 years or so ago but it was too much work. very minimal though
[19:32] <snowzone> my test for a distro repo is to try install the "most" pager from the command line. if i cant' do that it gives me an idea of the state of the repo
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[19:42] <uriah> snowzone: ah I see
[19:43] <snowzone> "minimal" setup for me is multitail, most, updated version of vim, and python 3.x.
[19:44] <snowzone> oh, and weechat :)
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[19:48] <uriah> :)
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[20:06] <shbrngdo> maybe there needs to be a linux distro that has something similar to FreeBSD's "ports" system. In FreeBSD the packages are generated using the ports system, and you can install/update packages if you want, or build from source [including creating your own ports somewhat easily]. Also 3rd party stuff installs to /usr/local instead of /usr to basically separate out the base system from the packages/ports
[20:06] <Project86__> shauno: speaking of fans, how bad is it to run it directly to gpio? All enclosure instructions and online tuts say just plug it it. But then I read it bad because it draws 5v instead of the 3.3 it should. But if everyone's been doing it all this time, is it honestly that damaging?
[20:07] <H__> shbrngdo: gentoo ?
[20:07] <shbrngdo> one of the most difficult parts about linux packaging schemes [from a developer standpoint] is "all of those dev packages" because when you install a library, the headers aren't automatically installed
[20:08] <shbrngdo> H__ well if gentoo is "all wayland" now then my lunch would power-eject itself automatically
[20:08] <H__> i like your opinion issue ;-)
[20:09] <shbrngdo> but yeah I understand they were doing it 'that way'. I never did install it.
[20:09] <H__> i ran it a few months. years ago.
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[20:10] <shbrngdo> well there's the 'build-dep' option for apt-get [I think that's the right naming] that gets all of the -dev packages for a particular package, but when you want to create your own, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get all of the dependent libs, typically.
[20:11] <shbrngdo> so if you want gtk-based, you have to do 'build-dep' for gtk [probably] but what you really need is most likely a subset of that but "what subset" ?
[20:11] <shbrngdo> I'd rather just install headers every time
[20:11] <shbrngdo> maybe some "install-binary" version that does NOT install headers would be nice
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[20:16] <shbrngdo> Project86__ - who's driving a fan with a GPIO pin? the other day someone mistakenly called pin 6 "GPIO 6", but it is just the ground pin. that was for a fan, with one lead on pin 4 and the other on pin 6 [so it's on all the time]. GPIO pins can't drive more than 20ma or so, and not too many fans run on that little current
[20:16] <shbrngdo> in fact I'd say NO fans run on that little current, but who knows maybe someone did it...
[20:17] <shbrngdo> in any case, GPIO pins aren't for driving anything. They're not open-drain, they can't sink more than 20ma or so and can't exceed 0-3.3v without damaging something.
[20:17] <shbrngdo> if you need to drive something with a higher voltage, then an external MOSFET or transistor [with base resistor] would work.
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[20:18] <shbrngdo> so the GPIO pin goes to the MOSFET gate (assuming NMOS with source at ground potential), or through a resistor to the base of an NPN transistor (with emitter at ground), and the open drain/collector connects to the 'ground side' of whatever load you're trying to control.
[20:18] <shbrngdo> then the transistor/MOSFET would have to be able to handle the voltage/current.
[20:19] <red9> I read that the GPIOs are 16 mA maximum?
[20:19] <shbrngdo> yeah, I can't recall the exact number, but you might be right. It's a small current.
[20:20] <shbrngdo> but yeah we're dealing with experimenters who aren't familiar with electronics, and so it's a combination of new material on the programming side (controlling GPIO pins) as well as on the device side [switching circuits, relays, transistors, MOSFETS, current/voltage/power requirements]
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> shbrngdo: https://www.digikey.com/products/en?FV=ffec0938 wants 20mA@3.3V.
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> (this is however not a serious point, you should always use a driver in general)
[20:21] <shbrngdo> right - still, a fan running off of a GPIO... [yeah someone DID build one!]
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> shbrngdo: For even sillier - airplane flying from GPIO
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?961876-225-mg-so-far-but-gonna-be-lighter!
[20:23] <shbrngdo> at some point I'd just make a balloon
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[20:25] <shbrngdo> here's a thought - a speed racing test between a mini-blimp [with proper power and strong motors], and the uber-ultralight example
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[20:25] <shbrngdo> the mini-blimp would have to have proper ballast control like a modern blimp
[20:26] <shbrngdo> [and you could proably run the mini-blimp with an RPi with a camera, etc.]
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[20:29] <shbrngdo> that made me think of what could be an interesting project - a blimp drone
[20:31] <shbrngdo> heh - been done. found one from 2008
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> There is a 5v pin on the Pi's GPIO connector -you can use that to run low-power 5v fans off. Can't turn them on/off though - on all the time.
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, the Pi's GPIO pins can sink or source the same current. there are programmable drivers for them too.
[20:39] <Project86__> shbrngdo: I just went per case instructubles. The end power and ground pin. Mine was alao always on, tho ran faster at boot, then slowed. Didn't know those weren't considered gpio, it's still attatched inside the top of the case it came with, but unplugged for now to be safe ig. I want to make it controlled by temp though
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's gpio connector has 5v power, 3.3v power and 0v - as well as signal pins.
[20:40] <shbrngdo> right - the 'signal pins' are the actual GPIOs, that being my point
[20:41] <Project86__> I see.
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[20:41] <shbrngdo> I think you were logged in with a different name a couple of days ago. I gave you this link: https://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#P1_Header
[20:42] <Project86__> I read that the only safe way way to build a resistor isn't the wire or something, without using external power for a tiny fan
[20:42] <shbrngdo> ...
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> there isn't actually a limit on current a signal pin can sink or source, however there are guidelines and limits if you're driving 3.3v logic devices. I've drawn 35mA from a gpio pin in the past. not sure I'd recommend it though!
[20:42] <shbrngdo> Project86__ - I think before you start building things you should do an online tutorial on basic electronics.
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[20:43] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - the bcm2835 peripheral manual might have something. I can check...
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> the default current drive strength allows for sourcing 8mA while maintaining a logic 1 level to 3.3v devices.
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, might have something on what? I'm pretty au-fait with how the Pi's gpio works.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> and have chatted to Gert about it at length.
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[20:44] <shbrngdo> yeah I'd figure as much. the manual might have the actual spec in it for current drive. I suspect it's a power dissipation thing more than anything else
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> the drivers basically parallel the output drivers. You can set it in steps.
[20:45] <Project86__> shbrngdo: nope, been on this name at least a week. Appreciate the diagram though
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[20:45] <shbrngdo> let's just say "I'm captain obvious" and don't assume logic levels. also the conversation is "with n00bs present". To avoid confusion, I include background. Adding "as we all know" is unnecessary, in my world
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> the drive strength is all to do with being able to maintain a logic 1 for 3.3v devices when sourcing a given current.
[20:46] <shbrngdo> er, "knowledge levels" i mean, not 'logic levels'
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> in-general you're recommended to not sink/source more than 50mA though. However I've driven 3x that in the bad old days before these things were talked about.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> that's 50mA over all pins.
[20:46] <shbrngdo> yeah I do a lot with reading spec sheets and whatnot, building boards
[20:47] <shbrngdo> sometimes you have to care about how much quiescent current a device uses (battery life), pick the right device, and make sure it can deliver the current sink/source you need for whatever is downstream
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[20:48] <shbrngdo> Projecte86__ - you might find this tutorial useful: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I had a "blimp drone" once. Helium filled envelope with a unit with 2 silly little fans underneath. You adjusted the buoyancy with blue tack. the motors gave forward (and up) or back (and down) or turn.
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[20:49] <red9> shbrngdo, BCM and spec sheets.. mutally incompatible ;)
[20:49] <Project86__> gordonDrogon: I've considered a blimplike drone as well
[20:50] <shbrngdo> that's pretty straightforward and simple. I'd probably want ballast control at a minimum, maybe by restricting the volume of a portion of the gas bag, and of course a proper camera
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> the toy I had was purely indoors only.
[20:50] <shbrngdo> so the idea would be to have a portion of the gas bag adjustable with helium and air, for example. if you pressurize with air, the helium volume goes down. variable ballast
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> now calculate the volume needed to displace the weight of the control unit :)
[20:51] <red9> Or just add a compressor for the helium?
[20:51] <shbrngdo> well if you know how much it weighs you can use some basic gas law equations
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> hydrogen is marginally better but people don't like it for some reason...
[20:52] <shbrngdo> like floating a ship except air not water. and of course temperature and air pressure are all variables so you need a range
[20:52] <Project86__> No no no. Use a system that intakes air to descend, expels to ascend. Not dispel helium ;)
[20:52] <shbrngdo> I've made hydrogen balloons before. singed hair on my arm once. I wore safety goggles
[20:52] <Project86__> I've thought this out alot lol
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[20:53] <shbrngdo> Project86__ that's what I meant actually. so we're thinking the same. If you have a balloon of he inside a pressurizable volume, you pump in air to reduce He volume. mass actually would go up, too
[20:53] <red9> Hydrogen, only for the macho scientist ;-)
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[20:53] <shbrngdo> yeah a large hydrogen balloon going 'boom' sounds a lot like a cannon
[20:53] <Project86__> shbrngdo: ah ok, u meant the same thing by ballast. Nice
[20:54] <shbrngdo> I used to be on a sub when I was in the Navy many years ago, so the whole 'ballast' thing is pretty familiar
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[20:54] <Project86__> *thumbs up emoji here*
[20:54] <red9> My idea with the compressor is that with a baloon in one end and a pressure vessel in the other. It's possible to keep the helium and control bouancy.
[20:54] <Project86__> That's where I got the idea, subs
[20:55] <shbrngdo> red9 ack
[20:55] <Project86__> red9: compressing has to happen so in order to avoid bamg
[20:55] <Project86__> *bang
[20:55] <shbrngdo> you have to balance it of course so I'd expect both front/back to be gas bags, and ballst in the middle, and some kind of 'trim' as well
[20:55] <Project86__> *slow
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[20:56] <shbrngdo> what might be non-obvious is taht you need to trim it to climb/descend
[20:56] <red9> shbrngdo, Is it possible to make a large sub controllable by one person?
[20:56] <shbrngdo> for level flight you'd keep a level trim.
[20:56] <Project86__> I read up on compression. Has to be done slowly, and a ballast system is much simpler
[20:56] <shbrngdo> red9 - yes, but having more people means you can monitor it and respond to casualties/problems [things common during war]
[20:57] <red9> The WWII subs at least seems to have gauges and controls everywhere.
[20:57] <shbrngdo> exactly
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[20:57] <shbrngdo> in theory you could have a computer monitor it all, then just point the stick where you want it to go
[20:58] <red9> shbrngdo, I thought in a situation where it's only about going from A to B.
[20:58] <shbrngdo> sure. in effect, a computer could easily do it
[20:58] <shauno> that's not far off how they're meant to work now. most the crew are there to maintain this machine, not point it
[20:58] <red9> shbrngdo, All those control levers and no "window" made me wonder if it's even feasible without high level science.
[20:59] <Project86__> My situational theory is very much more in depth than that lol. shbrngdo thanks for the little tip
[20:59] <shbrngdo> I don't know what more modern subs are doing, but I expect they're operating with more automation, with mechanical backups. It was that way decades ago. When 'reliability' is the #1 concern [particularly in casualty situations] there are backups for the backups, and lowest common denominator is an operator with a set of valves.
[20:59] <shauno> (compare to how many people it takes to fly a plane, vs how many are waiting on the ground to make sure it's ready for its next flight. a submarine that's gone for weeks/months takes most of that 'ground crew' with it)
[21:00] <shbrngdo> Project86__ - sometimes going through a tutorial fills in the blanks. just a thought.
[21:01] <shbrngdo> shauno - that's pretty much the case. plus subs are typically warships and so you have a crew to operate the power plant, load/fire weapons, navigate, and so on. There are also operational things that change all the time, like being in an area where a lot of ship activity is
[21:01] <red9> shauno, So are there any particulars about subs that makes them hard to manouver or are they just intimidating?
[21:01] <shbrngdo> so you might have multiple people monitoring all of the information, sonar, visual, radar, satellite data, yotta yotta
[21:02] <shbrngdo> red9 - I'd say the more difficult thing people don't initially get is it's 3D, not 2D. up/down matter. aircraft are similar but you can see the ground. In a sub, you're running on sonar most of the time.
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[21:02] <red9> AI: "We'll take over from here" ;)
[21:03] <shbrngdo> sorta like "Wrath of Khan" where Kirk and Spok realize Khan is thinking 2-dimensionally
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[21:33] <wondiws> is there a good python library that supports hardware PWM?
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[21:41] <erm3nda> wondiws, http://abyz.me.uk/rpi/pigpio/python.html#hardware_PWM
[21:41] <erm3nda> did you searched?
[21:41] <erm3nda> rpi GPIO will not work, but try that
[21:41] <wondiws> erm3nda, yes, but I was a bit confused between all the options and dated pages
[21:41] <erm3nda> dated should not be a problem at all
[21:42] <erm3nda> if works works
[21:42] <wondiws> erm3nda, but there they report that hardware PWM wasn't implemented yet, in pages 5 years old
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[21:42] <wondiws> I imagine they implemented it by now
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[21:43] <erm3nda> well, i got that link looking for what you asked. it ended in someone complaining about rpiGPIO not working with PWM
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[21:43] <erm3nda> the someone told that link as "working"
[21:43] <erm3nda> give it a try
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[21:44] <wondiws> erm3nda, I will, it looks good
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[21:45] <erm3nda> i also saw that arduino can work with PWM too, and is nothing new people mixing rpi and ardus
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[21:46] <erm3nda> wondiws, i found that link here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=194839
[21:46] <erm3nda> ther are also some examples on how to use that lib
[21:47] <erm3nda> some -> sorry, just one :D
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