#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-05-08

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[0:12] <uriah> leewdch: yay
[0:12] <uriah> Johnjay: yeah the write protect is software implemented depending on driver
[0:13] <uriah> in the pi’s case the implementation is “ignore that it’s switched on “
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[0:13] <aftertaste> has anyone used a 3g/lte hat/usb adapter to send sms?
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[0:14] <uriah> aftertaste: I’ve only used it for nets, not sms
[0:14] <uriah> my data plan did not include sms so I never tried
[0:14] <aftertaste> I cant seem to find any real good write ups on it
[0:14] <uriah> they’re around
[0:15] <aftertaste> they are few and far between :( and mostly using gprs modems
[0:15] <aftertaste> does ATT even still service gprs?
[0:15] <uriah> aftertaste: how are you doing it? pppoe stuff or modemmanager?
[0:16] <uriah> there’s software around made for sms on USB LTE
[0:16] <aftertaste> uriah i havent decided on any final hardware yet
[0:17] <uriah> ok
[0:17] <uriah> well it can be done
[0:17] <aftertaste> you can send sms through pppoe?
[0:17] <aftertaste> I was under the impression I will need to connect via serial and send AT commands
[0:18] <uriah> no not through pppoe
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[0:18] <uriah> https://hristoborisov.com/index.php/projects/turning-the-raspberry-pi-into-a-sms-center-using-python/
[0:18] <uriah> looking easy
[0:19] <uriah> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libqmi/
[0:21] <aftertaste> o wow ty uriah i havent seen this page yet.
[0:21] <aftertaste> The last one i seen went all out and used a usb to serial connector in addition to the usb modem for whatever reason
[0:21] <aftertaste> this seems much easier thanks
[0:22] <uriah> lol
[0:22] <uriah> no
[0:22] <uriah> np*
[0:23] <aftertaste> hmm wonder if i can take calls with it too
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[0:26] <uriah> aftertaste: for calling you’ll need to setup some sip stuff
[0:26] <uriah> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ModemManager/man/1.0.0/mmcli.8.html
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[0:27] <uriah> aftertaste: this will likely allow internet and sms at the same time
[0:28] <aftertaste> ooo, interesting. I dont really care about the data connection, just sms. call recording would be nice but not necessary
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[0:31] <uriah> aftertaste: phone calls require more than a data modem but you can do voip on a USB LTE dongle
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[0:31] <aftertaste> yea im definately going the dongle route
[0:32] <aftertaste> the modem + hat is 4x more than just some old unlocked 3g or lte modem
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[0:35] <uriah> yup
[0:35] <uriah> you can get an LTE modem for ~$20
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[0:36] <uriah> just gotta make sure it works well with both Linux and your data carrier
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[1:01] <Johnjay> modem + hat?
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[1:22] <aftertaste> http://sixfab.com/product/raspberry-pi-3g-4glte-base-shield-v2/
[1:22] <aftertaste> Johnjay
[1:24] <Johnjay> what's the UC20 Mini PCle 3G Module for?
[1:25] <aftertaste> plugs into that hat
[1:25] <aftertaste> the hat can take the specified 3g pcie card or lte card
[1:25] <Johnjay> yes but why are there two pieces
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[1:26] <Johnjay> the point of this is to get 4g data on a raspi yes?
[1:30] <Johnjay> do the different pcie cards do different bands for different countries?
[1:32] <aftertaste> no i think the lte one just has the added benefit of connecting to lte on top of 3g afaik
[1:33] <aftertaste> dunno what thier reasoning is, probably more economic to do it this way or allow people to upgrade the chip at some point.
[1:36] <Apocx> one of the modules does 3g, the other 4g/lte
[1:36] <Apocx> the minipcie modules
[1:37] <Apocx> so you can either use 3g or 4g/lte but not both
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[1:40] <Johnjay> Apocx: ok so basically it's different hardware for different bands
[1:40] <Johnjay> make sense
[1:41] <Apocx> yep
[1:41] <Johnjay> i couldn't tell what it was talking about just from the description
[1:41] <Johnjay> which... is kind of why you have a description
[1:41] <Johnjay> lol
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[3:39] <noregret> what's the best light-weight torrent client for raspbian? i currently use deluge/deluge-web, I love it, but it's choking the system...
[3:40] <ground> noregret: I personally use transmission-daemon package
[3:41] <ground> I also use transmission-cli package with a program called transmission-remote. It works fine on PI but you need to be willing to use cmd line client. May be others but I haven't tested.
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[3:46] <Zoids> hi, can someone help me with PIA vpn on rpi? I'm sort of new and I've been troubleshooting all day and whenever I'm running it, I cannot connect to internet through PIA.
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[3:49] <binaryhermit> when's the next gen rpi coming out with this https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/08/cavium_thunderx2/
[3:50] <binaryhermit> kidding
[3:50] <binaryhermit> first of all, it uses like 180W of electricity
[3:50] <binaryhermit> second of all, the cpu itself is like 1 kiloUSD
[3:53] <noregret> ground: transmission-remote is also clic?
[3:53] <noregret> cli*
[3:54] <ground> noregret Yes, cli and daemon all are command line.
[3:54] <noregret> ground: so the remote communicates with the daemon
[3:54] <ground> noregretYes
[3:54] <binaryhermit> there's an android app called transmission-remote
[3:55] <binaryhermit> not sure how well it works or whether there are other options, or on iOS for that matter
[3:55] <noregret> got it
[3:55] <noregret> i'll look for a web client that runs on another machine
[3:56] <noregret> im' sure there's one somewhere
[3:58] <ground> transmission-remote is an amazing client. Allows you to do everything with torrents without a GUI
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[3:59] <Qatz> I like rtorrent + screen
[4:01] <ground> If you like ncurses rtorrent is OK. Keeping it command line, one command, one op the Unix way transmission-remote wins
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[4:03] <ground> I'll stop talking about it now. just shocked I could torrent from the command line that well.
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[4:04] <wwwsadworldnet> hey im trying to install php on an rpi fresh NOOBS install, updated and upgraded, but sudo apt-get install php is saying its unable to locate package even copying and pasting the instructions from the rpi site on making an apache web server
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[4:06] <wwwsadworldnet> help me pls
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[4:11] <wwwsadworldnet> i'm trying sudo apt-get install p hp and its saying unable to locate package php
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[4:12] <wwwsadworldnet> help pls
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[4:13] <red9> .php is security liability.
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[4:15] <noregret> Qatz: oh yeah, totally forgot about rtorrent, i used it a lot in the past
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[4:50] <{HD}> can I "cu -l /dev/gpio -s 38400 " as in can I watch the gpio 14/15 somehow?
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[4:54] <Project86__> So because I use Kali distro on pi, PiVpn doesn't recognize it as debian. And all the tuts for OpenVPN say I need to "apt-get install openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome", but Kali arm uses xfce4 to be more lightweight. So 1, can I add something to PiVpn script to accept Kali arm, and 2, if I'm not using gnome would that install command still work, or would I change "gnome" to "debian", or how would I do that
[4:54] <Project86__> properly?
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[5:22] <{HD}> Seems like it is pretty quiet here now but in hopes that someone will look backwards:
[5:23] <{HD}> Is there a way to reset the gpio without rebooting? I am trying to avrdude and it is registering as gpio 12 busy.
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[5:59] <comet23> hello
[6:00] <comet23> my sd card adapter broke
[6:00] <comet23> is there a way to install operating systems on it through an ethernet cable?
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[6:02] <MzrE> do you have an OS on the pi already?
[6:02] <comet23> i do and could i start clean?
[6:02] <comet23> like is there a way to access the raspberry pi without the os through ethernet?
[6:04] <MzrE> I don't think so.
[6:04] <MzrE> You should be able to install another operating system from within the raspberry pi's existing one, though.
[6:08] <uriah> comet23: you can get a USB sd card adapter
[6:08] <uriah> for pretty cheap
[6:08] <comet23> i wanted to do it without the adapter
[6:08] <comet23> i just ran my adapter over with a chair
[6:08] <comet23> =*(
[6:08] <uriah> ouch
[6:08] <MzrE> If it's a Pi 3 you could do this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[6:09] <MzrE> I was considering getting a Pi 3 just for that... I dislike using these microSD
[6:09] <comet23> i hope i have another adapter
[6:10] <comet23> it would be cool to be able to access storage through ethernet
[6:10] <comet23> or through wifi
[6:11] <MzrE> It would be, but that is generally facilitated through an OS when I've seen it work in other things.
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[6:12] <MzrE> Which is the same as just writing a second OS on from within and deleting the first anyway
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[7:01] <comet23> i just found another sd adapter MzrE
[7:01] <comet23> thank you :)
[7:01] <comet23> is there a way to use vmware as a screen emulator?
[7:02] <MzrE> you mean you want to see the raspberry pi screen from your PC?
[7:02] <comet23> yes
[7:02] <MzrE> you want a VNC
[7:02] <MzrE> you install a server on the headless raspberry pi, a client on your PC and away you go
[7:04] <MzrE> https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/docs/raspberry-pi.html#raspberry-pi-setup
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[7:44] <davr0s> is it still the case that (if i remember right) the rpi gpu interupts prevent reliable cpu timing for direct motor control
[7:44] <HrdwrBoB> I don't think the design has changed
[7:44] <HrdwrBoB> just got faster
[7:44] <davr0s> is there an OS that can circumvent that (eg nott initializing the gpu)
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> don't use a pi
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> use a more suitable piece of hardware
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> or use a motor controller
[7:45] <davr0s> ok i realse the best answer is 'use something else', but
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> if you're not using the GPU it shouldn't do much
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> just don't start X
[7:46] <davr0s> i guess i should test it, if thats enough
[7:46] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[7:46] <HrdwrBoB> don't overcomplicated it
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[7:46] <davr0s> "just dont start X" - that is easy enough :)
[7:47] <davr0s> i realise a pi is not the optimum tool for motor control,
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[7:47] <davr0s> the issue is wanting to buy more pi's for one specific use case, but then haivng them as spares - and having as many uses for them as possible helps
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[7:48] <davr0s> rather than buying dedicated devices (cameras, motor controllers,media players, etc etc etc) - imagine having 'a big pile of pi's - and use them as <cameras, motor controllers, etc etc>'
[7:48] <davr0s> pi-zeros
[7:49] <davr0s> Basically I want as many excuses to buy more pi's as possible.
[7:52] <HrdwrBoB> yep sounds reasonable
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[7:58] <NowhereMan> I need no excuse when I can get a zero W for $10....
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[8:09] <davr0s> NowhereMan depending on 'N' it's still nice to have an excuse
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[8:21] <davr0s> HrdwrBoB is there any timing interference from networking(wifi) or USB ?
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[9:50] <mlankhorst> what's the minimum memory required by the gpu for only camera + h264 1080p encoding?
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[11:01] <Shapeshifter> Hi. I'm having a problem with this Pi 3B+. For some reason, I only get an "Analog Mono Output" in pulseaudio and all sound is played back garbled at 1/2 speed.
[11:02] <jacekowski> have you tried fresh raspbian install?
[11:03] <shiftplusone> Shapeshifter: yeah, that's why the default install doesn't include pulseaudio.
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[11:09] <iKarith> shiftplusone: Really? I thought those kinds of issues got fixed a year ago?
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[11:09] <iKarith> Sound on Linux is such a disaster. *sigh*
[11:10] <Shapeshifter> I'm using archarm. At least now I discovered that the sound is only garbled when I run kodi-standalone on tty1. It's actually funny, I can play something normally, and as soon as I run kodi-standalone on tty1 the sound speed gets cut in half and it sounds garbled.
[11:10] <jacekowski> sound on linux worked pretty good
[11:10] <shiftplusone> On the desktop, pulseaudio is alright. On the pi... not so much.
[11:10] <jacekowski> and then pulseaudio appeared
[11:11] <Shapeshifter> So, are we supposed to use dmix or something? I mean, for simultaneous output.
[11:11] <shiftplusone> With alsa, things should just work, but if you're not running Raspbian, I'm not 100% sure.
[11:12] <Shapeshifter> I see.
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[11:12] <Shapeshifter> The main reason I use pulseaudio is so I can use pulseeffects as an equalizer (to reduce bass).
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[11:13] <jacekowski> Shapeshifter: alsa plugins can do that
[11:13] <jacekowski> there is very little that pulseaudio can do that alsa can't
[11:14] <iKarith> I kinda wonder why pulseaudio won out over jackd really
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[11:14] <jacekowski> well, the question is why pulseaudio became a thing to start with
[11:15] <jacekowski> why we couldn't develop few more alsa plugins
[11:15] <iKarith> jackd has a little bit of a learning curve because the tools aren't very mature in terms of end user stuff. (some pretty mature tools for professionals)
[11:15] <jacekowski> pulseaudio had the advantage that you could change config on the flight
[11:15] <jacekowski> but that was about it
[11:15] <iKarith> jacekowski: the probem with alsa is the number of Linux kernel alsa drivers that can't multitask their mixing at all.
[11:15] <iKarith> That's why pulse is a thing really.
[11:16] <iKarith> Because cheap alsa drivers suck, that's far too many of them, and Gnome and KDE already had their own things.
[11:16] <shiftplusone> bah.... jackd is the worst. All kinds of issues with it in sonic-pi
[11:17] <iKarith> shiftplusone: if jackd were more mainstream, the issues it has would've been solved ages ago.
[11:17] <iKarith> the issues with pulse aren't going to be fixed because "who cares about that niche thing?"
[11:18] <iKarith> people want their little mouse clacks and alert dings and to play mp3s. What else is there?
[11:18] <iKarith> Games LOL?
[11:18] * iKarith sighs.
[11:18] <jacekowski> i want my porn vides to play as well
[11:19] <iKarith> so everything emulates everything else, usually poorly.
[11:19] <iKarith> jacekowski: in 4k! Oh wait, Pi. *sad music*
[11:19] <shiftplusone> jacekowski: family friendly channel
[11:20] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: how do you think families happen
[11:20] <iKarith> oh dear.
[11:21] <Shapeshifter> Well ok. I uninstalled pulseaudio. speaker-test now works properly in stereo. But I still have this problem with kodi and sound. I can run speaker-test over ssh but as soon as I run kodi-standalone, the sound already playing gets garbled badly.
[11:21] <Shapeshifter> Maybe that's why it's called kodi-standalone.
[11:22] <iKarith> jacekowski: I LOL'd, but … I wouldn't recommend pushing it when certain folks remind you in here that this isn't the right place for that kind of thing. Just friendly advice.
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[11:23] <shiftplusone> Shapeshifter: perhaps kodi talks to the hardware more directly and that interferes with whatever alsa does? maybe check if omxplayer does the same thing
[11:25] <shiftplusone> or try sounds settings in kodi and see if there's a way to change the device from omx to alsa... if that's a thing.
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> all this kodi talk reminded me that I must get a kodi system going again.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> then again, we watch so little TV these days, but we do have a nice big TV screen thing in the livingroom which we ought to use.
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[11:35] <Shapeshifter> I think I'll just avoid kodi. There are so many things I don't particularily like about it.
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[11:37] <Jacta> Hi all ;0)
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[11:56] <solars> hi there, are there any open source projects for people counting via WIFI/BT (mac addresses etc)?
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[12:11] <Kryczek> solars: counting?
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[12:12] <solars> Kryczek: yes
[12:12] <solars> something like this: https://github.com/wi-fi-analyzer/howmanypeoplearearound
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> it's not exactly hard to do - iwlist scan | wc -l or something ...
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[12:14] <Kryczek> solars: does howmanypeoplearearound not already do what you want? :)
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[12:15] <Kryczek> gordonDrogon: iwlist will not show clients ;)
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wonder how things like wicd gets a list of access points.
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[12:20] <Kryczek> gordonDrogon: with the same API that iwlist uses... which does not show clients?
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[12:21] <Jacta> I'm receiving my first 3+ today, and I would like to have an ubuntu running on it, do you guys know of if any make something so I don't have to merge/copy alot of files around
[12:21] <Jacta> I'm not that strong in that part
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[12:22] <shiftplusone> "know of if any make something" ?
[12:22] <shiftplusone> If I understand the question, I believe Ubuntu MATE provide a pi image.
[12:23] <Jacta> I think you are, however, didnt specify its for a server
[12:24] <Jacta> And haven't figured out if 3 and 3+ uses the same, seems like its not actually
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[12:26] <shiftplusone> This looks recent enough to support the 3+ https://www.finnie.org/software/raspberrypi/ubuntu-rpi3/ubuntu-18.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi3.img.xz
[12:26] <shiftplusone> (found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi)
[12:27] <Jacta> Thanks, ill look into it shiftplusone
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Good luck
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[12:28] <Jacta> Have you tried NOOBS before?
[12:29] <shiftplusone> yes
[12:30] <Jacta> Does it contains server installations? Seems like its a tool with alot of distro's?
[12:30] <shiftplusone> Only Raspbian Lite.
[12:30] <shiftplusone> There's PINN, which is NOOBS with additional features and more supported distros.
[12:31] <Jacta> Sounds interesting, I will look into that one too
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> iwlist wlan0 scan | grep ESS
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> seems to show the same as my phone does.
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[12:45] <seek^126> I'm running hypriotOS on my pi3b+ its running like a charm :) if you use docker its worth checkin it out :)
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[14:10] <solars> Kryczek: gordonDrogon it's not about showing connected clients, it's about showing phones that ping for networks
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> ohthat sort of sneaky stuff.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> looks like that github has everything you're after then ...
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[14:55] <Apocx> can you buy more than one rpi zero w from any stores yet
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[14:56] <GenteelBen> Amazon?
[14:57] <Apocx> the only board only rpi zero w items on amazon are marked up like 300%
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[14:59] <Apocx> I figured they've been out long enough now most places should have ample stock but I guess not
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[15:12] <BurtyB> Apocx, modmypi allow >1 with headers
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[15:15] <Apocx> nice, thanks!
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[15:19] <Apocx> didn't realize modmypi was UK, but pishop.us does the same
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[15:22] <BurtyB> cool :)
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[16:31] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I meant to ask earlier, is oracle's JDK version 8 pretty much the thing I should expect to install on the Pi still?
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[16:33] <iKarith> shiftplusone: On Debian I just pull in default-jre, which I believe these days is pulling in openjdk 9's JRE even on sid, but I noticed the version you've got for armv6hf is a bit dated compared to i686 and x86_64.
[16:34] <shiftplusone> iKarith: there has been talk of switching to OpenJDK and there's a backport of OpenJDK 9 in the repo. The word on the street is that OpenJDK 9 is allowed to use the java extension feature of the CPU, so it should be pretty fast. I'm not a Java person though, so I can't really say anything insightful here.
[16:34] <shiftplusone> The reason we were using oracle's version was because it was significantly faster, which may no longer be the case.
[16:35] <shiftplusone> Is version 9~b181-4~bpo9+rpt1 the one that you're saying is old?
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[16:42] <iKarith> shiftplusone: http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/o/oracle-java8-jdk/oracle-java8-jdk_8u65_armhf.deb is the package that pi-gen seems to be pulling in.
[16:42] <shiftplusone> Yes, the default in the image is still oracle's.
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[16:43] <shiftplusone> I could bump that version if it's too old, but won't get a chance any time soon.
[16:43] <shiftplusone> have you tried the openjdk 9 package?
[16:44] <iKarith> Not yet, someone was saying it wasn't recommended, but that may have been based on old information.
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[16:44] <iKarith> Currently I'm short on spare Pis.
[16:44] <iKarith> I seem to have lost one
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[16:46] <iKarith> I do have a 3b+ sitting in a box over there *points oh so helpfully on irc* but the only enclosure I have to put it in is a FLIRC case, and I don't have any thermal pads thin enough to fit it just now.
[16:47] <iKarith> I do like my FLIRC cases since I do throttle the things from time to time without them
[16:47] <ialokin> hehe, what happened to the pi community? :P make an enclosure using A4 paper and some glue or paper clips :P
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[16:51] <iKarith> ialokin: The Pi got hotter and while most people don't actually thermally throttle the things without overclocking, I do at times, and I'm not sure what temperature paper burns at, but … yeah. :)
[16:51] <shiftplusone> I used paste instead of a thermal pad... seems to be fine.
[16:52] <iKarith> is the clearance that tight? I'll just squirt a dot of MX-4 in it then.
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> paper burns at 451F. They made a film about it you know..
[16:53] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: it doesn't actually. That's not even the average.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> but but ... film!!!
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[16:53] <ialokin> hehe, according to quora: The ignition temperature of paper is 451 degrees Fahrenheit, or 233 degrees Celsius.
[16:54] <shiftplusone> Raspberry Pi SoCs don't melt steel paperclips. Wake up sheeple.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> it was a trick used by oldbakers to see if their ovens were hot enough - put a sheet of paper in and see if it starts to char in under 30 seconds ... if it did - it was hot enough!
[16:55] <iKarith> I now want bread
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I might give it a go tomorrow morning when my ovens are hot...
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[16:55] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[16:55] <iKarith> or fresh scones. Fresh scones would be good.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> good sunny afternoon, zleap . Hope te thunderstorms haven't started down your way yet.
[16:56] <zleap> not seenany
[16:56] <zleap> seen any
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> scones - flour -> scone: 20 minutes. Go for it.
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> none here either, but the radio suggested there was a chance ...
[16:56] <iKarith> At this point it's starting to get to the point I need to eat something or sleep.
[16:57] <iKarith> it's almost 08:00 here. What am I doing awake at this hour?
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> well i've just made up my sourdough starters for tonight and prepp'd the bakery, so .. :)
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> 4pm here.
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[16:58] <ialokin> hehe, im at 16:58 ... in desperate need of some carbonada
[16:59] <ialokin> argh
[16:59] <ialokin> pasta carbonara (stupid keyboard .. beer .. whatever)
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[17:00] <jeffspeff> hello. I'm new to rpi's and looking to play around with access control stuff. I have an ioprox p225xsf rfid reader and am trying to find information on how to connect that to my pi 3 b+. if it is not possible, is there another rfid reader which can read kantech xsf cards? thanks for the info in advance.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> jeffspeff, what type of connector does it have?
[17:02] <shiftplusone> "Quick connect terminal blocks (P225 and P325 series) allows for easy wiring and saves time and money"
[17:02] <shiftplusone> no idea what that means
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> it means screw terminals and it's probably a rs232 type serial interface.
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> oh, looks like you need a "host controller". good luck with that then.
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[17:09] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: probably pretty easy to use it on the Pi, if you can figure out how to connect and communicate.
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[17:09] <jeffspeff> gordon, it has 6 connections on the back labeled D0, D1, BUZ, LED, GND, PWR
[17:10] <jeffspeff> gordonDrogon, ^^
[17:10] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: what I've been interested in lately is that I've heard it said that someone's got a Pi connected to a Beeb's Tube …
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I have no doubt, but that jeffspeff asked how to connect it makes me think that he might not find it as easy as some ...
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, yes - it's been done for some time now. the Pi pretends to be a 6502 (or I think also Z80) 2nd processor.
[17:10] <jeffspeff> if someone can point me in the right direction, that'd be helpful.
[17:11] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: I assume this is running on bare metal because … I can't see servicing those GPIOs realtime under Linux.
[17:11] <iKarith> Not without a fair amount of buffering logic anyway.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's bare metal.
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[17:12] <iKarith> I don't really know how the Beeb's Tube works. They're pretty uncommon in the US after all.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> however servicing the gpios is relatively do-able from linux - if you poll. I have some experiments with high speed stuff which is all polling.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> the tube is essentially 4 x 8-bit wide fifo's from what I recall.
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[17:13] <iKarith> Pretty sure I can get a SCART signal displayed if it'll output RGB that way. 230v power may take some doing. And I doubt I could afford one for the price people who are willing to export are asking for them.
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> Gerts vga card outputs rgb - but at vga timings.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you're really after though.
[17:14] <jeffspeff> is anyone aware of a rpi friendly rfid reader that is compatible with the same xsf cards as the ioprox p225xsf?
[17:15] <iKarith> I imagine it's a lot like Apple II in the US. You can find them for $30 now and then from people who have them laying around and don't realize there's an eBay market for them. Or go on eBay and see someone trying to sell one untested for $35,000 !!!RARE!!! ***L@@K*** @@@STEVE JOBS@@@@
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[17:16] <iKarith> jeffspeff: do you have a data sheet for the one you've got? It probably is perfectly Pi friendly if it takes 3v3 logic.
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[17:18] <red9> I have an Raspberry 2 in virgin condition. Only $335,000 Extrodinary rare! Unobtanium plated contacts. Packaged in a unique material.. paper! ;-)
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[17:19] <jeffspeff> iKarith, it came with a install instructions that also has a small tech specs section for read range, input voltage, current dc max, dimensions, transmit freq., max distance for read and cabling (3 twisted pairs, #22 AWG unshielded)
[17:20] <iKarith> So they recommend you use a piece of network cable basically. Though it could be voice-grade.
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[17:21] <jeffspeff> would the D0 and D1 ports (of the available D0, D1, BUZ, LED, GND, PWR) be for data?
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[17:21] <iKarith> That'd be my guess.
[17:21] <jeffspeff> BUZ, LED, GND, PWR are pretty self explanatory
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[17:22] <iKarith> BUZ isn't for me. Do wonder if D0 and D1 are differential?
[17:22] <jeffspeff> iKarith, it has a smaller buzzer built into the device
[17:22] <iKarith> ah
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> my limted experience of these things is that the data format is proprietary and you need the expensive control box which then has rs232 or network ports.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> they're designed for "corporate" use where managers are impressed with pretty boxes and expensive solutions.
[17:23] <jeffspeff> they're expensive alright
[17:24] <jeffspeff> i'm very proficient in linux and so-so with python and was hoping i could make something to for in-house use to replace our dependency on those guys.
[17:25] <iKarith> Found this pretty quick, but I don't know if these are compatible with your cards: http://www.jamesrobertson.eu/blog/2016/feb/08/using-a-pn532-nfc-rfid-reader-with-the-raspberry-pi.html
[17:26] <red9> jeffspeff, Do you have access to a digital sampling oscilloscope?
[17:26] <BurtyB> D0 D1 sounds like RS485
[17:26] <jeffspeff> red9, no
[17:26] <BurtyB> which I've used before on rfid stuff
[17:27] <mfa298> jeffspeff: if that's a RFID device then it might just be doing wiegand type signaling where it pulses the D0 line if the bit is 0 and the D1 line if the bit is 1.
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[17:28] <mfa298> so you need to just read the pulses in the right order to get some binary data - it may also be signalling with 5v so you'll need a decent level shifter
[17:28] <jeffspeff> mfa298, from their site "Cards are dual encoded with 26-bit Wiegand and XSF"
[17:28] <jeffspeff> http://www.kantech.com/Products/rkc_ioprox.aspx
[17:29] <red9> Is the p225xsf rfid reader device giving out 5V signals or 3.3V ?
[17:29] <mfa298> I used something a bit like that a few years ago with a Pi and the signalling was something like I described above - I just looked at what it did with a logic analyser.
[17:29] <red9> Or perhaps even something else like 200 mV diff or 12 V "rs232".
[17:30] <jeffspeff> the tech sheet says input voltage 4.5 to 14 VDC and the Current DC max is 45 mA
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[17:32] <red9> Yeah.. but what is the signal voltage.. out ?
[17:33] <mfa298> best way to find out how it works is connect it to a logic analyser and/or scope and see what's happening or reading the datasheet. The best you'll get asking here is peoples experience with something that might be similar or completely different or random thoughts based on little information and guesswork.
[17:33] <altin> Can you setup a GPIO pin (exc 10) for output from two different programs, let's say by using python...!?
[17:33] <jeffspeff> there's a data sheet on http://www.kantech.com/Products/rkc_ioprox.aspx if you click ont he 'documents' button.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> altin, yes - there are not hardware limitations, however I only know C, not python and I know it can be done from C.
[17:35] <mfa298> jeffspeff: well it's a better datasheet than some places provide (they give one) but it doesn't really answer any important questions.
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[17:36] <mfa298> jeffspeff: my *guess* is it would work like I described above where D0 will pulse for a 0 and D1 will pulse for a 1, you'll get 26 pulses per tag (for 26 bit wiegand).
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[17:36] <mfa298> but that's purley guessing based on limited information and using some other RFID reader a few years ago.
[17:36] <jeffspeff> ok
[17:37] <jeffspeff> thanks for the info everyone. I guess i'll hook this thing up later and see what i can get out of it.
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[17:39] <mfa298> note that if it's sending out 5V (or 12V) data that will kill the Pi unless you have a logic level converter in between. You may not be able to measure the pulse voltage from a DMM (I think I recall a 2ms value but I'm not sure if that's the time the pulse was on or the gap between the start of each pulse)
[17:40] <jeffspeff> mfa298, i should be able to tell that by testing with a multimeter right?
[17:41] <mfa298> read what I just said again...
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[17:41] <jeffspeff> ah, dmm == digital multimeter
[17:41] <altin> gordonDrogon, cool, kind of stupid, but I was wondering if just in case it has some type of toggle functionality: If pin set to HIGH from script1, would mean that script2 set to HIGH would turn it to LOW.... Didn't have a RPi with me to test, that's why I asked...
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> altin, it doesn't toggle.
[17:42] <jeffspeff> thanks mfa298
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[17:42] <gordonDrogon> altin, at least - there is no hardware support that I know of for a toggle function (unlike e.g. ATmega), however I only know C - I've no idea what the various Python drivers do.
[17:44] <BCMM> altin: could your script just read the gpio's current state?
[17:44] <BCMM> and decide what to do based on that?
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[17:48] <altin> BCMM, nah, I activate an electric door strike from main script which is in a loop waiting for RFID card swipes, but wanted to run another script which is triggered remotely that turns the same pin to HIGH for few seconds and exits.
[17:49] <altin> that's when I started to think if there are any limitations on sending output to a pin from two different scripts
[17:49] <altin> the PIN is se to output mode "GPIO.setup(10, GPIO.OUT)", no reading in it...
[17:50] <mfa298> altin: a better method might be having one thing dealing with the gpio (locking, unlocking and timings) and then have the other things send it a signal with an action.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> the limittion will be only of your own making. e.g. if one script turn the pin high then the 2nd also turns it high then the first turns it low - the 2nd script might not be expecting it to be low - or stuff like that.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> that may or may not be a problem though
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[17:55] <altin> gordonDrogon, yeah that's what I thought. But might not be happening that often to use the remote thing though, and besides that both scripts turn the pin to LOW after few seconds...
[17:56] <altin> FYI: https://github.com/altinukshini/HACCSY/blob/master/RaspberryPi/HACCSY.py
[17:56] <altin> anyways thanks for the info :)
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[18:10] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[18:21] <comet23> what rpi images come with vnc preinstalled?
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[18:27] <MzrE> comet23, https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/docs/raspberry-pi.html#raspberry-pi-setup
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[18:27] <MzrE> That one does for sure. Although it's pretty simple to install regardless
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[18:28] <MzrE> Raspbian Jessie with PIXEL
[18:28] <comet23> i have an idea =D
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[18:29] <comet23> because i don't have a second monitor i am going to install the image normally and then use vmware to launch the image from the sd card and install vnc on it and then plug it into my raspberry pi
[18:29] <MzrE> Still trying to install the OS from last night? Can't hook it up to peripherals?
[18:29] <comet23> it was so late last night i was tired and so tired that i ran my sd adapter over with a chair
[18:29] <comet23> =(
[18:30] <MzrE> Can you not just use your peripherals on the raspberry pi?
[18:30] <comet23> it would require me to use a monitor
[18:30] <comet23> i don't have a second screen
[18:30] <MzrE> You have a laptop you mean then
[18:30] <comet23> no hdmi on laptops is output only
[18:30] <MzrE> I'm not sure if VM will work for this because it's ARM architecture not x86/64
[18:31] <MzrE> You can use SSH though
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[18:32] <MzrE> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[18:33] <MzrE> just make a file called ssh, with no file type extension, on the raspberry pi microSD. It will tell the OS to turn on SSH.
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[18:34] <MzrE> find the IP address of your pi, then SSH in from a terminal, then it's just the same as typing into the raspberry pi terminal itself.
[18:34] <MzrE> comet23
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[18:35] <comet23> thank you
[18:35] <comet23> those steps are for raspbian only right?
[18:35] <MzrE> which distro are you interested in?
[18:36] <comet23> ubuntu or something similar
[18:36] <comet23> i want to break into my raspberry pi
[18:36] <comet23> and keep breaking it and learn how it works
[18:36] <MzrE> https://medium.com/a-swift-misadventure/how-to-setup-your-raspberry-pi-2-3-with-ubuntu-16-04-without-cables-headlessly-9e3eaad32c01
[18:37] <MzrE> I think having to enable SSH is a raspbian thing, it's not disabled by default in some other OS.
[18:37] <comet23> thank you so much :D
[18:37] <MzrE> In this case if you just want to use a minimal server ubuntu without a monitor, you don't need to enable it
[18:37] <MzrE> You're welcome
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[18:58] <comet23> i'm getting a really weird thing here with 2 sd cards showing up
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[18:59] <comet23> when i plug my sd card i see a slot for 2.06GB for the E drive and 127 MB for the F drive
[18:59] <comet23> i'm using my sd card with the adapter
[19:00] <MzrE> The SD card will be partitioned
[19:01] <comet23> my sd card is 16GB
[19:01] <comet23> I've tried formatting both and it didn't work
[19:01] <MzrE> Yeah it starts off like that
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[19:02] <MzrE> One partition is boot files that starts the OS
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[19:02] <MzrE> You can expand the other partition to fill the drive but it starts small
[19:02] <comet23> https://unsee.cc/5b33006b/
[19:02] <comet23> my sd card is a 16gb lexar
[19:02] <MzrE> ...
[19:03] <MzrE> I know, I just responded to you
[19:03] <comet23> i'm sorry i am not understanding
[19:03] <MzrE> Your computer doesn't see the actual hardware, that it is a 16 gb
[19:03] <MzrE> It sees the partitions, which are like boxes inside of it.
[19:03] <MzrE> There is a small box that gets opened up and boots the operating system.
[19:04] <comet23> but why is it recognizing 2 sd cards being inserted instead of 1?
[19:04] <MzrE> It isn't, those are partitions.
[19:04] <comet23> oh thank you
[19:04] <MzrE> You can do the same thing with your hard drive, you could have C D E F G H on the same drive if you wanted to split your hard drive up.
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[19:07] <comet23> thank you :D
[19:08] <comet23> i just learned something new and how to use diskpart
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