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IRC Log for 2018-06-03

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[0:00] <javi404> but ideally more than 1.2A @ 5.0 - 5.2 volts.
[0:00] <javi404> my old P1 is using .78 amps idle
[0:00] <alex_giusi_tiri> it claims that it supports max 2.4 A per port
[0:01] <javi404> that looks decent to me
[0:01] <javi404> what does the cable look like?
[0:01] <alex_giusi_tiri> uh, black?
[0:01] <alex_giusi_tiri> it's new
[0:01] <alex_giusi_tiri> it's somewhat thin
[0:02] <javi404> that might be the issue
[0:02] <javi404> resistance do to thin or long wire.
[0:02] <javi404> get something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-USB-Tester-LED-Charging-Doctor-Voltage-Current-Meter-Power-Detector-New/292422812570?hash=item4415c2039a:m:m1zwZVnjaQyIexvT-exO3dA
[0:02] <javi404> i have a bunch of these i have been using to see what chargers and wires are acually doing.
[0:02] <alex_giusi_tiri> actually, it's normally thick
[0:03] <javi404> doesn't mean the wire inside the rubber is thick enough.
[0:03] <javi404> how long is the wire?
[0:03] <alex_giusi_tiri> but it is long, if i remember correctly, I think maybe 3 meters?
[0:04] <alex_giusi_tiri> i should try with a shorter one, now that you mentioned it
[0:04] <javi404> yeah, probably too much resistance in the wire, so voltage drops below 5 and there is your problem.
[0:05] <javi404> try with the shortest wire you have.
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[0:05] <javi404> you can also measure at the pi using the pins what it is actually getting if you have a volt meter (and are careful not to cross pins)
[0:05] <khadna> hello
[0:05] <alex_giusi_tiri> ok, thank you; will try that
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[0:06] <javi404> NP
[0:06] <alex_giusi_tiri> :-)
[0:06] <khadna> I am a little bit overwhelmed by the options to run the raspberry pi
[0:06] <alex_giusi_tiri> khadna: hi
[0:06] <khadna> I would like to program a raspberry pi 3 b+ in order to program two videos after a daily schedule for an exhibition. one is 13gb in size 90 minutes, one 9 minutes and 2gb in size, both full hd h264 mp4 video including sound
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[0:07] <khadna> which OS can you recommend for this task please? and which player? thank you in advance :)
[0:07] <alex_giusi_tiri> what do you mean by "programming" videos?
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[0:07] <alex_giusi_tiri> as in, automatically play them at a certain moment during certain days?
[0:08] <khadna> like on Monday play video A at 12h,14h and 16h and in between video B many times
[0:08] <alex_giusi_tiri> oh, ok
[0:09] <khadna> on Tuesday at 13h and 16h only because of different opening times and so on
[0:10] <khadna> and is a 13gb video file a problem? I read something about fat filesystem, but I guessed already that this can not be the only way
[0:10] <khadna> can I put the video files on the same mini sd card as the operating system?
[0:10] <alex_giusi_tiri> there are the systemd timers for scheduling. if you don't like that there is cron, but I recommen the systemd timers over cron
[0:10] <alex_giusi_tiri> yes
[0:11] <alex_giusi_tiri> if it is large enough
[0:11] <alex_giusi_tiri> yes, fat32 is a problem in this case
[0:11] <khadna> sorry for so many questions, but I am, of course, a little bit last minute with this
[0:11] <alex_giusi_tiri> but you can use (almost) any other filesystem
[0:11] <alex_giusi_tiri> not a problem
[0:12] <alex_giusi_tiri> i'm glad to help
[0:12] <alex_giusi_tiri> for the os, I think that the default raspbian should suffice
[0:13] <alex_giusi_tiri> so, raspbian + systemd timers
[0:13] <alex_giusi_tiri> could someone confirm that the latest stable raspbian version uses systemd?
[0:13] <alex_giusi_tiri> please?
[0:14] <shbrngdo> unfortunately it does as far as I know
[0:14] <shbrngdo> debian jessie and later
[0:15] <shbrngdo> you have to get devuan to get rid of it
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[0:15] <alex_giusi_tiri> as for how to configure the systemd timers, I recommend looking through https://wiki.archlinux.org/
[0:15] <alex_giusi_tiri> thank you
[0:15] <shbrngdo> I have to wonder whether crontab and/or sched would do the same thing
[0:15] <alex_giusi_tiri> then, we're in luck ;-)
[0:16] <alex_giusi_tiri> yeah, I am almost completely confident in does
[0:16] <khadna> I already started the Noobs download in torrent, but it gets errors for some reason. would you go for the noobs version or something else? I used linux for quite some time, but my linux tower just died a few days ago, guess the power supply might be faulty, so now i am on an os x
[0:16] <shbrngdo> or at
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[0:16] <alex_giusi_tiri> there might just be different details amongst them, but, in general, they aim at the same thing
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[0:17] <javi404> What the hell model PI has 4 cores but reports a BCM2835?
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[0:17] <javi404> from /proc/cpuinfo: Hardware : BCM2835 , Revision : a01041
[0:17] <caelius> Well...
[0:17] <caelius> Bad Pi.
[0:18] <alex_giusi_tiri> I recommend https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
[0:18] <caelius> Well, bad/flaky Ethernet on the Pi
[0:18] <caelius> I tried another. Works fine.
[0:18] <javi404> caelius: in the wikipedia chart, should be BCM2836
[0:18] <shbrngdo> bcm2835 is what the peripheral drivers are for, though. the CPU is bcm2836
[0:18] <javi404> caelius: maybe the port or the cable?
[0:18] <shbrngdo> or bcm2837 for that matter
[0:18] <caelius> I've tried everything. Trust me.
[0:18] <javi404> shbrngdo: ah, ok, that makes sense.
[0:18] <alex_giusi_tiri> I believe that there are slight differences of various builds
[0:18] <caelius> I'm a network/sysadmin with 20 years of experience.
[0:19] <caelius> I left "bad Pi" as the last thing to check. And that was it.
[0:19] <javi404> shbrngdo: so is there a way to get the exact hardware from software? I'm just trying to keep track of what I own and what models they are (with labels)
[0:19] <caelius> So that bad unit will become my monitoring server and on wifi only.
[0:19] <caelius> Ugh.
[0:19] <shbrngdo> caelius - that's unfortunate. I guess your ethernet disconnects were due to the hardware then. have you re-tried it with a shorter cable, just in case?
[0:19] <javi404> they really confused people with the damn naming/numbering of the models.
[0:19] <shbrngdo> javi404 - I think /proc and/or /sys vars have that info, about the CPU and whatnot
[0:20] <caelius> In the past hour, I've tried 3 known-good cables. I also tried using a Cisco 2950 switch instead of the Comcast router. Same issues.
[0:20] <alex_giusi_tiri> hkadna: also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers#As_a_cron_replacement
[0:20] <khadna> what is the quickest way to get it running from scratch now? ;)
[0:20] <javi404> shbrngdo: ill poke around
[0:20] <caelius> Can't be anything BUT the Ethernet port on the Pi at this point.
[0:20] <khadna> the noobs thing seems to take hours
[0:20] <caelius> This other Pi has booted half a dozen times perfectly. I pulled the SD card, put it in this other unit, and no problems.
[0:20] <shbrngdo> caelius - soudns right to me, then. I've had bad ethernets before, doing things like that
[0:20] <luxio> raspberry seed box yes no?
[0:20] <luxio> share files
[0:20] <luxio> big sd
[0:20] <luxio> is good plan?
[0:20] <shbrngdo> caelius - sounds like you found it then
[0:21] * shbrngdo observes hole in wall where caelius was head-walling
[0:21] <shbrngdo> er, face-walling I mean
[0:21] <caelius> I know, right?
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[0:21] <caelius> I didn't want to say "the Pi itself is bad".
[0:21] <caelius> But that was it
[0:21] <shbrngdo> normally something like ethernet wouldn't be
[0:21] <caelius> Grrrrr
[0:22] <caelius> I was going to replace this unit with a 3B+ anyway for a bit extra speed, so I'll just do that
[0:22] <alex_giusi_tiri> khadna: I think that there are pre-compiled images available. let me look around...
[0:22] <shbrngdo> caelius - sounds good to me.
[0:22] <khadna> thank you alex_giusi_tiri
[0:23] <caelius> So my second worry is the POE splitter now. Did it somehow fry the port?
[0:23] * shbrngdo sees that 'systemd timer vs cron' thing and wonders how long it will be before linux distros start removing 'cron'
[0:23] <caelius> Will this happen again?
[0:23] <caelius> No way to know except to try it again.
[0:23] <caelius> But I thought you would like to know I found the problem
[0:23] <shbrngdo> caelius - a POE splitter? hmmm... yeah it's a possibility that it's your problem
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[0:24] <shbrngdo> a bad splitter might fry the transformers in the ethernet, or perhaps attenuate the signal
[0:24] <shbrngdo> I had no idea you were using PoE with it like that. I'd make sure your splitter is gbit capable, too
[0:24] <ShorTie> get a usb nic maybe ??
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[0:25] <caelius> The setup is like this: the Pi and two USB software-defined radios are in a weatherproof box 100 feet away from my office, outside, mounted to an antenna tower.
[0:26] <shbrngdo> 100 feet probably won't work at g-bit ethernet speeds
[0:26] <caelius> I send one cable: a 100 foot CAT6A, outdoor-rated Ethernet cable. I have a TP-Link POE injector in the office and a splitter in the box.
[0:26] <shbrngdo> not without using a fiber line anyway, with converters on both ends no doubt
[0:26] <caelius> Gigabit says it's good up to 330 feet.
[0:27] <caelius> I mean, if it negotiates down, that's fine with me.
[0:27] <caelius> I had no problems with networking when the Ethernet CAME UP. :P
[0:27] <caelius> And, as we saw, the problem isn't the cable, but the port.
[0:27] <shbrngdo> ok... but yeah 'negotiate down' is likely and could cause interruptions in net traffic if it doesn't. who knows, maybe it'll work. I'm just a bit skeptical of that
[0:27] <caelius> Again, I don't care if I got dropped packets.
[0:28] <caelius> Or retransmits. I just wanted a connection at all, and I was only getting that half the time or whatever.
[0:28] <shbrngdo> but gbit hardware is better nowadays than when I first set mine up for gbit years ago. and so maybe the distance problems are better solved now?
[0:28] <caelius> Until this started, I had no problems. We're talking months of operation.
[0:28] <shbrngdo> PoE splitter - do you have more of them?
[0:28] <caelius> No, just the one.
[0:28] <shbrngdo> maybe you need more so you can swap 'em out if they go bad?
[0:29] <caelius> And during all this testing today I was using a 5v wall wart from Adafruit, so I trust it
[0:29] <caelius> Maybe
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[0:29] <shbrngdo> oh ok - not using PoE for the test then. got it.
[0:29] <caelius> Not today, no.
[0:29] <caelius> Took that out of the loop.
[0:29] <shbrngdo> even better
[0:30] <caelius> Well, I'll swap out this Pi and put it all back together. What a mess.
[0:30] <caelius> lol
[0:30] <shbrngdo> does it control your transmitters? that's my guess anyway
[0:30] <caelius> No. They're SDR receivers.
[0:30] <caelius> https://www.amazon.com/RTL-SDR-Blog-RTL2832U-Software-Telescopic/dp/B011HVUEME
[0:30] <caelius> Very cool little units
[0:31] <shbrngdo> ah, ok. radio telescope I'm guessing [based on URL, not actually opening up the link]
[0:31] <caelius> Nope. I'm a ham
[0:31] <shbrngdo> ok - 'just listening' ham radio then
[0:31] <caelius> But. I usually listen to VHF (2m/144MHz and 220MHz) and UHF (440 MHz)
[0:31] <caelius> http://www.kg7zfc.net
[0:32] <caelius> Check out my blog about this. There are some pics and even a video describing the setup
[0:32] <caelius> It's a fun project, but having that Ethernet port go flaky was a problem
[0:32] <shbrngdo> at those freqs it's good to have the receivers close to the antenna like that
[0:32] <shbrngdo> I forget what attenuation of coax is, but at UHF frequencies it's >1db per foot I think
[0:32] <caelius> Yeah. And they're mounted a couple of feet below the antenna. I think the antenna cable is 10 feet long or something.
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[0:33] <caelius> This has low attenuation, even at 440. I spent the extra on the cable since it was so short :P
[0:33] <javi404> any good places to buy old pi ?
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[0:33] <shbrngdo> ebay?
[0:33] <caelius> Ah, 15 feet. LMR 400
[0:33] <javi404> shbrngdo: i was thinking unused
[0:33] <caelius> Actually, Amazon :P
[0:33] <javi404> shbrngdo: old but new
[0:33] <shbrngdo> you can still find them
[0:33] <javi404> good idea
[0:34] <javi404> cool
[0:34] <caelius> One of the places I get cables from is on there: MPD Digital. Good cables, good workmanship
[0:34] <caelius> At 400MHz, LMR400 attenuates 2.7dB/100ft
[0:35] <caelius> So I'm losing 0.2dB or something. Not even noticeable, really
[0:35] <caelius> And I'm usually monitoring much lower, like 144MHz or 220MHz, where attenuation is even less.
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[0:36] <caelius> And I want to replace the Pi with a 3B+ for that extra 15% speed boost. It gets a bit clunky when, say, 4 or 5 listeners connect to it.
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[0:36] <caelius> So that'll let, like, one more person listen simultaneously :P
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[0:40] <caelius> No wonder I couldn't find anything good about this issue online.
[0:40] <caelius> I really need to learn that when I can't find an article about a problem, that usually means it's something very localized like a bad part or something.
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[0:45] <javi404> so here is the table you need to unconfuse you about what model you have using /proc/cpuinfo, and the revison number: https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
[0:45] <javi404> the revision number is key, and the table in wikipedia needs to be updated because it is broken
[0:46] <javi404> and wrong
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[0:48] <caelius> This is an A22082 from China. :P
[0:57] <javi404> caelius: looks like yeah, they are also using revision number to track where manufactured
[0:57] <caelius> Now that I've figured out the hardware issue, I'm wiping the SD card and starting over. This'll let me test my install procedure. If it works, I'm going to puppetize it
[0:58] <caelius> That'll let me make changes a bit more easily, plus track what's needed to install it from scratch
[1:00] <javi404> caelius: not a bad idea
[1:01] <caelius> I've always done things manually, but I've started using Puppet recently and it's quite cool
[1:01] <caelius> Once I get that down, I'll learn something like Ansible or Terraform.
[1:01] <caelius> (I do some enterprise-level systems engineering stuff, so it'll help A LOT!)
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[1:29] <AppAraat> has anyone tested this guide on a RPi ZW? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/access-point.md
[1:29] <AppAraat> I rebooted it and the AP doesn't show up :/
[1:29] <AppAraat> I followed the guide like... to the exact
[1:30] <AppAraat> (except for the "Using the Raspberry Pi as an access point to share an internet connection (bridge)" part)
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[1:31] <AppAraat> luckily I still have USB OTG access
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[1:39] <AppAraat> https://bpaste.net/raw/b91b5a049d27 - probably important part: "Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd failed!"
[1:40] <AppAraat> Jun 02 23:26:37 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Advanced IEEE 802.11 management daemon...
[1:40] <AppAraat> Jun 02 23:26:40 raspberrypi hostapd[434]: Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd failed!
[1:40] <AppAraat> Jun 02 23:26:40 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Started LSB: Advanced IEEE 802.11 management daemon.
[1:40] <AppAraat> hmm
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[1:40] <AppAraat> so systemd is telling me hostapd is started, while hostapd telling me it's not.
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[1:49] <AppAraat> wait, perhaps in driver... instead of driver=nl80211 driver=cfg80211 ?
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[1:52] <AppAraat> no :(
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[1:53] <AppAraat> damnit, again: hostapd failed
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[2:05] <AppAraat> welp... I guess failure concludes my 10h streak to get this to work.
[2:06] <AppAraat> happens sometimes, good night
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[2:19] <Voop> AppAraat: it should work on the W
[2:19] <Voop> is that guide specifically for the w?
[2:20] <AppAraat> no, for the RPi3 but guide said it should also work for W
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[2:20] <AppAraat> but in the /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf driver stanza should be different I think (but I still had no luck)
[2:21] <Voop> how are you connecting to the internet on the pi?
[2:21] <Voop> ethernet?
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[2:32] <AppAraat> no internet, just a standalone AP
[2:33] <AppAraat> I'm connecting to pi via ssh via usb
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[2:46] <Voop> AppAraat: i guess i dont know what a standalone ap is
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[2:49] <Voop> ive done a lot of AP stuff on the pi, none of it has worked off of the tutorial
[2:50] <d0rm0us3> I always thought tutorials were just meant to guide you in the right direction... NOT to spoon feed you
[2:52] <Voop> i dont look at it as spoon feeding
[2:53] <Voop> information on how to do a thing isnt inherently bad
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[3:15] <mrkotfw> Is there anything I can do to debug why I can't access my USB DVD burner?
[3:15] <mrkotfw> It's connect via USB, through a powered Hub
[3:15] <mrkotfw> As in, the hub is receiving external power
[3:15] <mrkotfw> With dmesg, I see "Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5"
[3:16] <mrkotfw> If I insert a DVD movie, I can't seem to mount it via: sudo mkdir -p /media/dvd; sudo mount /dev/sg2 /media/dvd
[3:16] <mrkotfw> I get: "mount: /dev/sg2 is not a block device"
[3:17] <Voop> does it work in gui
[3:17] <mrkotfw> I'm running headless
[3:17] <mrkotfw> So I can't test that
[3:19] <mrkotfw> Here is what dmesg returns: https://pastebin.com/raw/CZ7Ehjh9
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[3:31] <mrkotfw> Yeah, even: dd if=/dev/sg2 of=/tmp/test bs=2048 count=10
[3:32] <mrkotfw> ...doesn't work
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[3:37] <mrkotfw> I'm going to restart
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[4:08] <localhorse> i'm trying to run raspbian in qemu but why isnt it working? http://pastebin.centos.org/808511/27991669/
[4:09] <localhorse> following this guide https://azeria-labs.com/emulate-raspberry-pi-with-qemu/
[4:09] <localhorse> i downloaded kernel-qemu-4.9.59-stretch and 2017-11-29-raspbian-stretch.img (in the zip)
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[4:11] <localhorse> there was nothing about mmcblk0
[4:11] <localhorse> but where does sda2 come from in the instructions?
[4:11] <localhorse> does it refer to a partition in the host or guest?
[4:11] <localhorse> on my host, sda2 would be wrong
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[4:32] <HrdwrBoB> AHA
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[4:35] <HrdwrBoB> https://i.imgur.com/j9pD8Os.jpg
[4:35] <Project86__> What's the minimum amount of mah the pi3 and 3 b+ need for proper power? I have a couple portable power banks that output 5v. One seems to make the power logo appear at times (I think it's 22mah)
[4:35] <Project86__> *200mah
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[4:49] <immibis> Project86__: mAh affects how long it will last
[4:50] <immibis> also 200 mAh is not very much, my power bank here is rated for 20000 IIRC
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[4:54] <Project86__> immibis: thank. And mine stores 30k, but only outputs 200mAh
[4:55] <immibis> sure it's not 200mA?
[4:55] <immibis> mAh = mA * h (hours)
[4:55] <Project86__> You're probably right lol
[4:56] <immibis> (though it's slightly more complicated for power banks because the mAh and mA are specified at different voltages)
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[5:25] <AppAraat> d0rm0us3: if hardware is the same and the OS / software (is more or less) the same, then documentation in the form of a guide is like a recipe with a specific outcome. If the outcome is different, that means either the recipe was written for different configurations of hardware or software in mind, but in most (all?) cases the documentation then needs to be adjusted if the outcome differs from
[5:25] <AppAraat> expectation.
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[5:44] <genr8_> shutdown -h now doesnt turn the pi off - what gives ?
[5:45] <AppAraat> try "poweroff" as root
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[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/381/how-do-i-turn-off-my-raspberry-pi
[5:48] <genr8_> neither of those commands actually turns off the power
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[5:49] <genr8_> i see now, its still got the red light and the fan going but the thing is off
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[6:05] <immibis> did it used to do that? i thought it had to be physically unplugged to actually power off
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[8:09] <Voop> a 200mA max output power bank is junk
[8:09] <Voop> why does that even exist
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[8:10] <Voop> you can get one that outputs 2A (2,000mA) for like 15 bux
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[8:12] <Voop> most mAh ratings on power banks are bogus
[8:12] <Voop> i usually take them apart and see the individual ratings of the 18650's
[8:13] <Voop> 4x 3,000mAh cells, etc
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[8:40] <red9> Voop, China-Joules? ;)
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[8:43] <Voop> not to mention the ones from china are probably one small flat lipo
[8:43] <Voop> and a bunch of dirt
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[8:47] <red9> I recall a manufacturer having a ~20 x 20 x 0.5 cm flat lithium battery demonstrated in a exhibition. He told me kind of.. if anyone would stab that battery. That would kind of be explosive ;)
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[8:47] <molavy> hi
[8:47] <molavy> is there any sample code for age estimation from face in raspbberypi
[8:48] <molavy> i can't find any project to serve this
[8:48] <Voop> i know where you could find it if it exists
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[8:49] <molavy> Voop, did you seen such project
[8:49] <molavy> ?
[8:49] <Voop> nope
[8:49] <Voop> but google exists
[8:50] <Voop> if you cant find it on google, likely doesnt exist
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[8:56] <CoJaBo> red9: They should consider selling it to SWAT teams as a door-breaching device.
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[10:11] <molavy> has someone experience on age estimation with webcam on raspberrpi?
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[12:30] <molavy> has someone experience on age estimation with webcam on raspberrpi?
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[12:34] <mfa298> I'd guess if you've not had an answer after asking at least three times the answer is no.
[12:34] <mfa298> I'd suggest following Voop's easlier suggesting and using google.
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[12:37] <TheNik> molavy: I don't have such experience, but I'm curious - what do you want to make?
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[13:02] <iKarith> I'd say that if a kid doesn't have the dexterity to insert the camera cable properly, they might be too young to manage it. Otherwise, nah, I think they'll be fine if they're otherwise fine with RPi tinkering.
[13:03] <molavy> TheNik, i want make simple robot
[13:04] <TheNik> Why would it need to estimate the person's age, though? This kind of thing is incredibly difficult to accomplish
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[13:05] <iKarith> Just wondering, the text to speech options in Linux distributions are generally pretty sucktacular because quality TTS engines usually cost money. You can usually get a voice for desktop PC Linux from the likes of Nuance for not terribly much for single-person use (intended for Orca and other accessibility stuff…) Are there options for the Pi along that line?
[13:06] <iKarith> AFAIK Amazon and Google generate their speech on a server, so that's not ideal.
[13:07] <iKarith> (Unless I'm wrong about that?) In which case if their TTS engines aren't too heavy, they might be useful for the purpose.)
[13:09] <immibis> i've found that free text-to-speech is pretty adequate but i haven't used it much
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[13:10] <immibis> such as espeak
[13:11] <immibis> text-to-speech is a lot easier than speech-to-text AFAIK
[13:14] <molavy> TheNik,there is lots of samples about this, but i can't find github project that working on raspberrypi
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[13:15] <iKarith> immibis: I'm not a big fan of espeak, which seems to be the default choice
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[13:17] <iKarith> I'm pretty well used to fairly mechanical speech (it all sounds like crap at 350-500 wpm I assure you), but if it seems to be mumbly and unclear at 150…
[13:19] <TheNik> molavy: Humm, okay
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[13:22] <iKarith> espeak and flite seem to be the state of the art for free software at least.
[13:31] <iKarith> This looks pretty cool… https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/oton-glass/
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[13:34] <iKarith> Apparently Cepstral is available, but … they won't tell you what it costs. Apparently it depends on what you want it for and they're not even gonna ballpark it for you.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> *sigh*
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> text to speech was do-able in 1982. Why is it a deal now?
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> and OCD of printed stuff has been good for 2 decades or so too.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> *OCR.
[13:39] <iKarith> Because unless you want to pay $$$$$$ you're still using the 1982 TTS engines that were written for the Apple II, more or less. :P
[13:40] <iKarith> I loves me some Apple II, but still there exist a few advancements since we started using 16 bit CPUs.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> for free.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> actually, I was thinking of the speech stuff for the Beeb, however I was doing speech to commands on the II back then.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install festival
[13:43] <iKarith> Actually Google's pico isn't too bad
[13:44] * gordonDrogon goes back to defrosting the freezer.
[13:44] <iKarith> based on a speech sample at least. I dunno how hard it is to get it wired in to accessibility stuff yet.
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[13:48] <cute_korean_girl> hey, anyone got like a torrent for the pi3 image of retropie?
[13:49] <cute_korean_girl> I'm on a terrible slow unstable chinese connection, and I cant download the whole image without it failing. And I dont really know any trackers to go to that aren't blocked/super seedy.
[13:49] <iKarith> … well, except that it speaks in a pretty flat monotone.
[13:49] <CoJaBo> If theres an official one it should be linked on the mirrors page
[13:50] <iKarith> cute_korean_girl: yes, I help seed it.
[13:50] <BCMM> cute_korean_girl: does the server not support resuming downloads, or something?
[13:50] <iKarith> https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/NOOBS_latest.torrent
[13:51] <iKarith> Actually I help seed all the RPi torrents. :)
[13:51] <cute_korean_girl> somwhow not for me BCMM. Just fails, then wont resume :( Probably something wrong on my end
[13:51] <cute_korean_girl> thanks iKarith! You rule :D
[13:51] <BCMM> ... is retropie even in NOOBS?
[13:52] <CoJaBo> cute_korean_girl: If you have a linux system available, download large stuff with wget
[13:52] <iKarith> oh retropie
[13:52] <iKarith> excuse me
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[13:52] <CoJaBo> It's much more reliable at resuming downloads than browsers, for some reason
[13:52] <BCMM> CoJaBo: what CoJaBo said... what are you currently using to download it?
[13:52] <cute_korean_girl> I do have a linux system available, the one I'm on right now :P
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[13:52] <BCMM> uh, meant to highlight cute_korean_girl above ^
[13:52] <cute_korean_girl> Just firefox
[13:53] <BCMM> wget -c
[13:53] <iKarith> arg, that one has all the retropies
[13:53] <iKarith> that's not gonna be fun if you have a crap connection
[13:54] <BCMM> cute_korean_girl: as in, do `wget -c https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/releases/download/4.4/retropie-4.4-rpi2_rpi3.img.gz`
[13:54] <BCMM> cute_korean_girl: wget should automatically retry on its own, but if you hit some sort of limit and wget does exit, just run it again (that's what -c is for)
[13:55] <cute_korean_girl> perfect, thanks. I honestly would have spent too long trying to figure out how to do it myself
[13:56] <iKarith> with retropie it's a little harder to find torrent links I could post here, so hopefullt that will work for you.
[13:56] <cute_korean_girl> I can download it at a decent enough speed. It's just the connection is so unstable I never get to the end before it fails.
[13:57] <iKarith> too many of them you'd find likely have ROMs in them, etc.
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[13:57] <BCMM> i don't know why browsers don't offer automatic resume out-of-the-box, but i guess there's this if you wanna keep using firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-auto-resume/
[13:57] <cute_korean_girl> yeah, that was about all I was able to find too. Giant 32gb images of year old builds with roms I dont need/want in them
[13:58] <BCMM> but tbh, like a lot of people, i let the browser do small downloads but trust only wget for longer stuff
[13:58] <iKarith> rsync would be nice
[13:59] <cute_korean_girl> just killed it on purpose and retried with wget, and it is resuming so, rad :D
[13:59] <iKarith> murderer! That poor process!
[14:00] <iKarith> what did it ever do to you? It was too young to die… Mere seconds old!
[14:00] * iKarith obviously needs sleep. :)
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[14:02] <BCMM> huh, i thought wget wouldn't resume a firefox download unless you renamed the .part file
[14:02] <BCMM> maybe it's just "resuming" from 0%
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, fwiw - I have a niece in her mid/late 20's who's legally blind, but itsn't interested in 'accessibility' stuff because she gets on well in her environment (in Germany). Also my father in-law died a year ago - MND/ILS and all he wanted to do was use the mouse on his PC while he could, so it's a funny old mixed bag here, for me.
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[17:56] <katnip> best browser out is chrome
[17:56] <katnip> gordonDrogon: are you disabled?
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[18:00] <red9> katnip, That spying and memory chewing thing? ;)
[18:00] <katnip> they all do
[18:00] <katnip> G Suite is great
[18:01] <katnip> i hated them since they started until about 3 mos ago
[18:01] <katnip> their products are really good
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[18:02] <katnip> i'd be more wary of MS buying GitHub
[18:03] <davr0s> time to learn gitlab
[18:03] <katnip> MS is going to make linux huge
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[18:03] <davr0s> a big part of the point of linux is 'not microsoft'
[18:04] <katnip> what do you mean
[18:04] <davr0s> open source vs closed source
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[18:04] <katnip> MS is opening
[18:05] <davr0s> companies like google grew in the internet age around data, whilst using alot of opensource software
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[18:05] <katnip> more and more devs are going there because of VS
[18:05] <davr0s> MS's fundemental reason for existing is it's closed source software
[18:05] <katnip> it's all changing
[18:05] <davr0s> 'MS opening' .. ceases to be MS. why wait for MS to 'open'. use open or use closed
[18:06] <katnip> i think you're thinking in the past
[18:06] <davr0s> you might aswell tell me apple is opening heh
[18:06] <davr0s> i'd be highly suspicious
[18:06] <katnip> that's fine
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[18:13] <stiv> i'm not against using closed-source (meaning 'paid for') software if I can get my data in/out of it. proprietary data formats are evil
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[18:23] <davr0s> i'm not against closed existing, i just like the option of open, and non-monopolised
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[18:23] <davr0s> multiple small players rather than a few superpowers
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[18:34] <Voop> if it works im happy
[18:35] <Voop> thats really all there is to it
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[19:15] <JimCrow> there often needs to be money involved in order to make really good products, that's life
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[19:58] <katnip> exit
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[20:19] <Choscura> Hi exit, I'm dad
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[20:46] <programmerq> https://www.amazon.com/KNACRO-Output-Converter-Quadcopter-Transmission/dp/B01H4UU0AS/ I'm looking for a 12v->5v converter for a raspberry pi 3 b+
[20:46] <programmerq> This appears to have the correct technical specs.
[20:47] <programmerq> is there a different solution one might recommend? Basically I have a raspberry pi on a 3d printer that has a 12v rail and I'd like to reduce the need to have two power supplies if possible.
[20:47] <programmerq> (there is enough extra power to run the pi from the 12v supply that's being used)
[20:48] <programmerq> it'd also be nice to get a solution that I can confidently power via the gpio pins instead of the microusb jack if possible.
[20:49] <programmerq> it seems like a dc-dc converter would need to be regulated to the point that it'd be safe (my understanding is that the gpio pins don't have the same regulator that the micro-usb input does)
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[20:50] <Voop> programmerq: does it need to be available in the US?
[20:50] <programmerq> ideally, yes. What did you have in mind?
[20:50] <Jusii> maybe cigarette lighter usb adapter would do?
[20:50] <programmerq> I'm okay ordering something
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[20:51] <Jusii> car accessory
[20:51] <Jusii> cost next to nothing and can usually give 2A
[20:51] <Voop> i would go with one of these https://www.amazon.com/DROK-180051US-Numerical-Regulator-Adjustable/dp/B01MT8BBC1/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1528051872&sr=8-9&keywords=buck+converter+step+down
[20:52] <programmerq> with the 3b+, the 2.5amp requirement seems like a must. Mine won't boot or will have the lightning bolt symbol if I use a 2a adapter. All my car adapters are only 2a or 2.1a
[20:52] <Voop> the thing you linked is for rc toys, and isnt variable
[20:52] <Voop> and is made for lipo packs
[20:52] <Voop> would probably work, but meh
[20:53] <programmerq> yeah, I forgot about those. That would almost certainly work.
[20:53] <Voop> i use these little buck/boost modules for everything
[20:54] <programmerq> how much heat does it generate?
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[20:54] <Voop> probably some @ constant 5v3a
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[20:57] <Voop> i wouldnt worry about it
[20:58] <programmerq> cool. Thanks for the recommendation. :)
[20:58] <Voop> if it does get too hot just put a small heat sink on the mosfet
[21:00] <Voop> (china has these for like $1 btw, but shipping takes 3 weeks)
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[21:01] <programmerq> I'm gearing up for a cross country move and don't necessarily trust post office forwarding for international epackets, so I'm trying to avoid long shipping times until after I move.
[21:01] <programmerq> I'm just at the threshold where it's too late to order it to my old place, but could be too soon for my new place too.
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[21:08] <programmerq> there are some similar ones that are slightly smaller and cheaper too: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GJ0SC2C/
[21:08] <programmerq> probably not as good as the one you linked, but worth getting just to have some extras anyway.
[21:09] <programmerq> my rule since my hackerspace closed a few years ago is that if I need something for a project and I don't have it, order a few more.
[21:09] <programmerq> most of the stuff in question doesn't really take up that much space and definitely has come in handy more than once.
[21:10] <Voop> i do the same thing
[21:10] <Voop> i was going to link those, but i ordered something similar (or maybe those) and they were garbage
[21:10] <programmerq> I still don't have the correct size screws on many projects it seems
[21:10] <Voop> let me check
[21:11] <programmerq> the reviews showed that some seemed to be DOA, but others performed adequately.
[21:11] <Voop> oh, i bought these ones last week
[21:11] <Voop> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014Y3OT6Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[21:11] <Voop> complete garbage
[21:12] <Voop> the pots didnt work
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[21:15] <programmerq> I'm waiting on several parts to be delivered for my projects now. This 3d printer is waiting on the bigger one to be up and running again to print a side panel. The bigger one is waiting on a smoothieboard to be delivered.
[21:15] <programmerq> I'm printing an airship for miniature gaming, and forgot that I needed magnets for some parts of it so those have been ordered.
[21:15] <programmerq> I should get a pi camera too and get it attached to this little printer for timelapses
[21:16] <programmerq> I ordered a very cheap usb camera with a retractable cord to reduce clutter, but its field of view is *way* too narrow
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[21:28] <Voop> pi camera seems good. never used one
[21:28] <Voop> it has manual focus which i find pretty lame
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[21:35] <Voop> programmerq: what is the pi doing?
[21:35] <Voop> octoprint?
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[21:40] <programmerq> Voop▸ yeah, octoprint. Well, it will be once I get around to installing it. I've done the setup for octoprint on a pi on my other printer previously. Just haven't gotten that far on this one.
[21:41] <Voop> im in the market for a printer
[21:41] <Voop> at first i wanted to get a top dollar one
[21:41] <Voop> but i think im just gonna get a bottom dollar one and replace everything that needs replacing
[21:42] <programmerq> My favorite printer on the market right now is the prusa mk3 for the higher end of the hobby one.
[21:42] <programmerq> this little printer I have is a monoprice mini, and it's fantastic. I got it on an amazon warehouse deal during black friday so I paid something like $128 (they usually go for $210 or so) and it's been pretty good to me.
[21:43] <Voop> $128 is cheap
[21:43] <programmerq> I thought I might have had a clogged nozzle, but it was just having trouble because I had cranked the speed up higher than it should go.
[21:43] <programmerq> I've also *just* had my first legit problem on it-- the wire for the thermistor on the heated bed has a short because it started reading 0
[21:43] <programmerq> then it'll read the correct temp for a while, and then back to 0
[21:44] <programmerq> fortunately, this printer seems to cut power to the heater if it sees a 0 value
[21:44] <programmerq> so the effect is that it's about 10-15c below what it was set to
[21:44] <programmerq> so this current print should finish, and then I can just drop in a new wire-- just need to remove the bed and swap the connector over.
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[21:45] <programmerq> I also have a third printer, but it isn't 100% done. it's a hangprinter and I put the project away while my house was being shown to potential buyers.
[21:46] <Voop> what do you use these printers for?
[21:46] <Voop> 3 printers seems more than a hobby
[21:46] <programmerq> nope, just a hobby
[21:46] <programmerq> same reason I have a few different radio controlled vehicles
[21:46] <Voop> what is the most useful thing you've printed
[21:47] <programmerq> the little one was so cheap it was like a "why not?"
[21:47] <Voop> and please dont say tug boat
[21:47] <programmerq> last year I was experiencing sifnificant arm pain. I work on a computer for a living, so I was afraid that I'd have to sell my house, move my family in with my parents, quit my job, etc.
[21:48] <programmerq> so as a part of trying to offload what I needed my arms/hands for, I decided to do a foot pedal
[21:48] <programmerq> but the commercially available ones were either not programmable enough (assign different actions based on press/release or duration of press)
[21:48] <programmerq> or they were way outragiously priced
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[21:48] <programmerq> so I printed up some food pedal cases and dropped some arduino mini pros in there\
[21:49] <programmerq> well, one arduino to drive three pedals
[21:49] <programmerq> It's as programmable and flexible as I need and I was able to print up the enclosure with the correct interfaces for the switches and arduinos I had on hand
[21:49] <programmerq> it's a piece of hardware I still use even though my arm pain is significantly better.
[21:50] <programmerq> I had a few other accessibility type devices I printed up too
[21:50] <programmerq> Other things like replacement parts for stuff around the house is useful too
[21:50] <programmerq> but what I mostly use the printers for is D&D scenery
[21:50] <programmerq> the hangprinter was not a project to be useful
[21:51] <programmerq> it was more of a "hey, I can do my hobbies now that my arm pain isn't so bad. let's do something cool!"
[21:51] <programmerq> it's not terribly practical of a printer, but will definitely be a fun toy for a few prints.
[21:51] <programmerq> and when I'm done, I can take most of the electronics and put them in a "real" printer frame and build that out
[21:51] <Voop> you printed the full pedal and enclosure?
[21:51] <programmerq> yeah
[21:51] <programmerq> I need to blog about it
[21:52] <Voop> yeah, you should
[21:52] <programmerq> I first tried seeing how hard it'd be to repurpose the commercial pedal set I got, but instead of having simple switches, it was some sort of optical sensor that I didn't want to muck with and reverse engineer for use on an arduino.
[21:54] <Voop> whats wrong with your arm if you dont mind me asking
[21:54] <programmerq> the next printer type I'd like to build is a corexy kinematic. I like the hypercube or the hypercube evolution. The goal of that printer will be _speed_. Niether of my current printers are terribly fast, and some of the corexy printers out there are amazingly fast by comparison
[21:54] <programmerq> Voop▸ both arms-- de quervain's tendinosis, medial epicondylitis and lateral epicondylitis.
[21:55] <Voop> no idea what that is but it doesnt sound good
[21:55] <programmerq> I did something like 62 sessions of physical therapy last year, and finally did a PRP treatment in January or February or so to treat the remaining stuff that wasn't responding (it moved from the tendons into the ligaments in a couple places)
[21:56] <programmerq> I've also got a couple custom headphone holders that were printed based on my headphone band and desk thicknesses.
[21:57] <programmerq> I would like to do a mostly printed RC car too at some point.
[21:58] <Voop> i never made anything useful, but i had one of the originals that really sucked
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[21:58] <Voop> id like to get back into it
[21:58] <programmerq> oh yeah, I ripped the crown from the n64 princess peach model that I found online, gave it some depth, and printed it up for my daughter's princess peach costume a while back.
[21:58] <Voop> heh, nice
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[21:59] <programmerq> Also did some mario star shaped button's for my other kid's mario themed shirt my wife made. I thought for sure those PLA buttons would break off immediately or completely get ruined in the wash, but my kid outgrew it before either of those things happened.
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[22:04] <programmerq> an unfinished project was an IR target for https://www.trackhat.org/
[22:04] <programmerq> I got the ps3 eye camera and the LEDs and I printed it up but never soldered it all together
[22:04] <programmerq> was trying to offload mousing as much as possible.
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[22:05] <programmerq> I should finish that up even though it isn't as urgent.
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[22:30] <FrostFeline> I've never used a microcontroller DIY kit like the raspi before.
[22:31] <FrostFeline> I want a duct fan that lets me remotely control it's speed, where should I look?
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[22:37] <rem3ndao> FrostFeline, rpi motors wiht gpio libraries, then some website panel, maybe nodered
[22:38] <FrostFeline> rem3ndao: So I should buy an inline duct fan controller and affix it with that motor then
[22:38] <rem3ndao> it can be even easier, just pytho/php server with get variable with rpm, then send that rpm to the gpio motor lib
[22:38] <FrostFeline> hm...
[22:38] <rem3ndao> let me double check what is duct fan ...
[22:39] <rem3ndao> i just understand fan in terms of MOTOR ... that spins at some rpm ...
[22:39] <rem3ndao> raspberry has its own motor, with compatible lib
[22:39] <FrostFeline> rem3ndao: A duct fan is just one that has built in attachments for ducting
[22:39] <FrostFeline> rem3ndao: http://a.co/4UL8eUm like this one
[22:39] <rem3ndao> so you need to attach motor to pins (gpios) then use the proper lib, which controls voltage to rpm
[22:40] <rem3ndao> but, for other purpose, you can pick any other motor and control the voltage on your own
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[22:40] <FrostFeline> Well there are a lot more general purpose duct fans than pwm driven ones
[22:40] <ebarch> rem3ndao: GPIO can certainly generate your signals. but you'd never want to connect a motor directly to a Pi
[22:40] <ebarch> I'd go with a motor controller connected to the Pi
[22:40] <ebarch> and connect to the motor to that
[22:40] <kuru> don't you have to pay attention to the maximum ampere
[22:41] <ebarch> kuru: yes. the Pi itself cannot drive motors
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[22:42] <ebarch> often with AC motors, you'll want something like a VFD (variable frequency drive)
[22:43] <ebarch> VFDs accept a low current input signal and will handle the actual current to the motor
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[22:43] <FrostFeline> I'm not familiar with VFDs
[22:43] <rem3ndao> Look for L298N motor controller
[22:43] <rem3ndao> https://www.bluetin.io/python/gpio-pwm-raspberry-pi-h-bridge-dc-motor-control/
[22:44] <ebarch> rem3ndao: that's DC motor control. FrostFeline linked an AC motor
[22:44] <rem3ndao> ebarch, little motors (like servos, and even not stepper ones) can be ran from gpios if you know what you do
[22:44] <rem3ndao> ebarch, oh sorry
[22:45] <FrostFeline> Is there a solid state equivalent to a variable resistor so I can just control the voltage that reaches the fan?
[22:45] <ebarch> rem3ndao: no worries =)
[22:45] <FrostFeline> Or is the VFD the best way to go aboutit?
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[22:45] <ebarch> rem3ndao: it is technically possible. but can very easily damage the Pi. remember that you never want to go above ~50mA of current sourced per GPIO output
[22:45] <ebarch> and you can get current inrush back from the motor
[22:46] <rem3ndao> same thing happens to arduino, if you reach the max ouput mAh you fry the chip
[22:46] <ebarch> FrostFeline: that's effectively what VFDs and speed controllers are designed to do :P
[22:46] <FrostFeline> ebarch: Ah
[22:46] <FrostFeline> Well that's the simplest way to go about it then
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[22:47] <FrostFeline> I want to use it with some of these thermometers
[22:47] <FrostFeline> http://a.co/6xjQAjK
[22:47] <ebarch> AC motors are a little trickier to control (at least if you want variable speed). if you just want on/off, it would be much cheaper/easier
[22:48] <FrostFeline> The idea would be to check inside temps and outside temps and vent heat outside if it's hotter inside till the server closet is back to normal temps
[22:48] <rem3ndao> FrostFeline, doesn't seem that the fan at the link does allow any type of control
[22:48] <FrostFeline> rem3ndao: No, but I could reduce the voltage to it and control it that way, right?
[22:48] <rem3ndao> u must use some board to control that
[22:48] <FrostFeline> Isn't that what a VFD will do for me?
[22:48] <rem3ndao> but in theory, yes, you can do it
[22:48] <FrostFeline> I can do basic electrical work
[22:49] <FrostFeline> ebarch: The idea being that in winter, it'll be cheaper to pull in cold air from outside than to use the heatpump in the room
[22:50] <FrostFeline> or in summer, if the AC is broke
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[22:51] <ebarch> FrostFeline: controlling voltage is more difficult, which is why modulating the frequency is preferred for AC motors
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[22:51] <ebarch> that being said... would simply turning the motor on/off get the job done?
[22:51] <FrostFeline> ebarch: Hrm...
[22:51] <rem3ndao> ebarch, not both?
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[22:52] <rem3ndao> voltage and frecuency
[22:52] <FrostFeline> ebarch: I'm worried that turning the motor on and off will give me the choice between no cooling and a hurricane in my room
[22:52] <ebarch> rem3ndao: VFDs hold a constant voltage and modulate the frequency (which controls the speed)
[22:52] <ebarch> FrostFeline: haha, fair enough
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[22:52] <kuru> transistor?
[22:52] <ebarch> kuru: you could if it was DC and you were using PWM
[22:54] <kuru> oh AC sorry
[22:54] <FrostFeline> What sort of fan should I get for use with a VFD then?
[22:54] <ebarch> out of curiosity... is there a reason you're using AC?
[22:54] <ebarch> word of warning, VFDs can be expensive
[22:55] <ebarch> but are really the optimal tool for AC motors
[22:55] <FrostFeline> ebarch: Well no particular reason other than that everything here runs on mains AC power
[22:55] <rem3ndao> im sure that someone has developt that kind of PCB
[22:55] <ebarch> oh. well there's no reason you couldn't get a power supply that runs it off DC :)
[22:55] <FrostFeline> All the duct fans that I can see on amazon take mains power though
[22:56] <FrostFeline> Well, all the reasonably priced ones
[22:56] <FrostFeline> Maybe I'm overcomplicating this
[22:56] <ebarch> there are things like http://a.co/5wJjoqP
[22:57] <FrostFeline> I could get a normal duct fan with variable speed, and just set it to a reasonable speed, then use a smart plug
[22:57] <ebarch> FrostFeline: that would certainly be much cheaper
[22:58] <FrostFeline> ebarch: Kinda like what this guy did for his mining rig https://imgur.com/a/ru8YcxU#2nr11dv
[22:58] <ebarch> holy GPU, hah
[22:58] <FrostFeline> 53 GPUs
[22:59] <ebarch> yeah. a VFD is going to run you ~$100 or so. really comes down to your budget
[22:59] <BurtyB> using something like a vellman K2636 kit and an i2c pot should allow you to vary a fan speed fairly cheaply with a pi
[22:59] <ebarch> BurtyB: this is AC
[22:59] <BurtyB> ebarch, as I expected
[22:59] <rem3ndao> im seeing that he wants a speed controler, not really VFD
[22:59] <rem3ndao> then use a servo to control the potenciometer :-)
[23:00] <ebarch> BurtyB: oh wow. sorry. didn't even realize you could get "speed controllers" that were designed for AC. looks like a mini VFD, actually
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[23:01] <BurtyB> ebarch, it doesn't alter the frequency it uses a triac to switch the AC in the same way a dimmer does
[23:01] <rem3ndao> dimmer
[23:01] <rem3ndao> https://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=ac+motor+speed+control&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true
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[23:02] * BurtyB used a similar kit from maplin (RIP) with a drill many years ago
[23:02] <ebarch> very cool
[23:02] <rem3ndao> 2$ dimmer https://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=ac+motor+speed+control&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true
[23:03] <rem3ndao> 2 more $ for 1 servo and that's all, using rpi libs for servos and nothing more
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[23:04] <rem3ndao> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1350 servo controller
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[23:05] <ebarch> BurtyB: thanks for sharing that. learned something new today =)
[23:05] <rem3ndao> even cheaper servo controller https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-16-Channel-Controller-Control-Raspberry/dp/B077XCLDRY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1528059914&sr=8-6&keywords=raspberry+pi+servo+controller
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[23:07] <rem3ndao> i found a blog post talking about the same ducting fans, FrostFeline : https://simplyautomationized.blogspot.com/2015/05/ac-light-dimming-and-fan-control-with.html
[23:07] <ebarch> also found a triac based solution on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/i/173326390694
[23:08] <rem3ndao> includes the server part with sockets to control via wifi/network
[23:09] <rem3ndao> it's using AC dimmer
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[23:09] <FrostFeline> That's amazing
[23:09] <ebarch> looks like "AC dimming" was the magic search phrase
[23:09] <rem3ndao> FrostFeline, look that
[23:09] <rem3ndao> https://www.tindie.com/products/Armtronix/wifi-ac-dimmer-with-esp8266-and-atmega328p/
[23:10] <rem3ndao> cheaper
[23:10] <rem3ndao> all in one
[23:10] <rem3ndao> using arduino and wifi, and dimmer
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[23:26] <Mathuin> Just rebuilt my Raspberry Pi 3 with an updated raspbian image, and can't get VNC working. 'vncviewer kaylee' asks me for VNC Authentication, and no password works there.
[23:27] <Mathuin> I've enabled VNC via raspi-config
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[23:28] <Mathuin> I've also configured the device to start up with a graphical desktop but wait for a login
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[23:28] <Mathuin> I seem to recall doing that last time when setting up VNC
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[23:47] <BurtyB> Mathuin, take a look at the authentication section on https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/vnc/ as you prob need to disable it if you're not using a realvnc client
[23:48] <Mathuin> Is there a realvnc client for Ubuntu?
[23:48] <erm3nda> you can change the config to password
[23:49] <erm3nda> then use it with any other client
[23:49] <erm3nda> not secure as use the current config with realvnc client...
[23:49] <erm3nda> but if you use ssh tunnel the security is not a problem
[23:49] <Mathuin> For inside the network I connect directly, but when I use vnc from outside it's through an ssh tunnel
[23:49] <Mathuin> Right now we're in the same room :-)
[23:50] <erm3nda> i wanted to use some other vnc clients, like mouse control via vnc/android, which didn't work with realvnc auth
[23:50] <erm3nda> so i tried 2 options
[23:50] <erm3nda> 1) set realvnc from the gui to just plaintext password
[23:51] <erm3nda> 2) install alternative tightvncserver
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[23:51] <erm3nda> if you do tunnel from outside, setting realvnc to passwd auth is much easier/better, so you don't need to care about vnc service because realvnc does it for you
[23:51] <shbrngdo> FYI - you might consider tigervnc rather than tightvnc since it 'modernizes' the x server quite a bit [solves a few problems] unless someone fixed tightvnc within the last few months...
[23:52] <shbrngdo> I think development on tightvnc stopped more than a year ago, that's why...
[23:52] <shbrngdo> so if there are bugs, they're not getting fixed
[23:52] <erm3nda> idk, i still use tightvnc
[23:53] <erm3nda> it is tigervnc opensource too?
[23:53] <shbrngdo> it still works, yeah, but some things won't work with it
[23:53] <shbrngdo> tigervnc is a fork from tightvnc that took over development basically
[23:53] <erm3nda> okay
[23:53] <shbrngdo> all open source, very similar
[23:53] <erm3nda> ill keep in mind for next time
[23:53] <shbrngdo> just saying if you have any compatibility issues with tightvnc, then tiger will likely fix it
[23:53] <shbrngdo> otherwise if it works, you're fine
[23:54] <erm3nda> i don have any problem , or i dont know how to feel them :D
[23:54] <erm3nda> just xclip never working :-/
[23:54] <erm3nda> NEVER
[23:54] <shbrngdo> I should test for that...
[23:54] <erm3nda> ill do, clipboard is f**** important for me
[23:55] <erm3nda> copying urls, copying text ... it's a must
[23:55] <erm3nda> actuall i do send urls using ssh, xdg-open url ...
[23:55] <erm3nda> and text via txt file
[23:56] <erm3nda> weird
[23:57] <shbrngdo> strange - with tigervnc, xclip -i didn't seem to work with pluma, but xclip -o showed what I'd copied to the clipboard in pluma.
[23:57] <shbrngdo> maybe it's pluma's fault
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[23:58] <Mathuin> Ooooh, tight gave me a desktop but without an Xsession file nothing happened.
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[23:58] <Mathuin> "no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found"
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[23:59] <Mathuin> When I used to use VNC in the dark ages, I used fvwm. What's the typical window manager for VNC now?

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