#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-06-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <shbrngdo> erm3nda - ok - in 2 different windows, I did 'xclip -i' and 'xclip -o' - the 'xclip -i' text went into the clipboard and 'xclip -o' displayed it. but I couldn't paste with mate-terminal, nor with pluma - apparently clipboard stuff not compatible with them...
[0:00] <shbrngdo> wrong data type probably. I should look into it.
[0:01] <shbrngdo> but xclip -o did its job properly when I pasted text using pluma
[0:01] <shbrngdo> er, copied text I mean
[0:02] <shbrngdo> that was running within tigervnc FYI. Also as I recall it was mate-terminal that gave me grief. you have to run it with --disable-factory
[0:02] <shbrngdo> and when I tried it (as I recall) with tightvncserver, it was missing some extensions that mate-terminal (or just newer shared libs probably) "need"
[0:03] <erm3nda> i dont really remember what i tried in the past to make it work. i just remember it to work one time
[0:03] <erm3nda> i said xclip, but i wanted to say clipboard for vnc
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[0:03] <erm3nda> -clip i guess is the param
[0:03] <shbrngdo> well, there ya go. I gave you an example (maybe) where tightvncserver didn't work. not sure what the lxde terminal program does with it.
[0:03] <shbrngdo> I s'pose I should try that
[0:04] <erm3nda> it's called autocutsel -fork
[0:04] <erm3nda> ill try some day, not really important, i don't really use so much vnc
[0:04] <shbrngdo> I have to look at that now
[0:05] <erm3nda> it has to be added to the xstartup script
[0:05] <erm3nda> but the times i added it didnt work
[0:05] <erm3nda> surely i did something wrong or missed libs ... idk
[0:06] <shbrngdo> ah, I found 'autocutsel' as a freebsd port - you have to install it, then run it at startup when you start the vnc server. or something like that. make sense, yeah
[0:06] <shbrngdo> so I'm guessing it's a debian package as well
[0:07] * shbrngdo oughta play with it
[0:07] <shbrngdo> this would be the 4th bit of interesting info I've heard about today
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[1:10] <expert975> How do I know my pi has finished shutting down?
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[1:14] <Mathuin> Power light goes off?
[1:19] <expert975> Mathuin: Does it?
[1:20] <ebarch> Usually it flashes 3 times and then stays solid
[1:21] <expert975> ebarch: Wich one of the lights flashes?
[1:21] <Voop> it makes some indication of being off
[1:21] <ebarch> expert975: IIRC, the green light
[1:22] <expert975> ebarch: I've seen it flashing, staying solid, then going out.
[1:22] <ebarch> yup, that would make sense. also, a Pi that was still running would be periodically flickering during SD activity
[1:22] <Voop> if you yank the power cable you can be sure its done shutting down
[1:22] <ebarch> usually only takes a few seconds to shut down, though
[1:22] <ebarch> haha
[1:23] <expert975> Poor SD card...
[1:24] <Voop> i dont remember the exact indicator of the lights, but if shut the pi down via cmd it does one thing
[1:24] <akk> Also depends on the type of pi. My zero turns off its light when it halts, the 1b doesn't, I didn't think the 3b did but can't remember.
[1:24] <akk> And a zero or 1b takes more than a few seconds to shut down, so it's helpful to have the light.
[1:24] <Voop> but if it shuts down via the ATXraspi shutdown module it does something completely different
[1:24] <Voop> iirc the green light goes out but the red light stays solid
[1:24] <expert975> I'm using 3B+
[1:25] <ebarch> expert975: https://youtu.be/CWzs_-3a4RA?t=1m37s
[1:26] <ebarch> if the green light isn't flickering at all, you should be good
[1:26] <erm3nda> shbrngdo, autocutsel totally seems auto cut selection
[1:26] <erm3nda> i ont think if the client need any special support for that too
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[4:44] <foul_owl> What's the canonical way to view rpi stream on network?
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[4:45] <foul_owl> mjpg-streamer? Or is there something in the raspbian repos?
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[5:01] <Khaytsus> foul_owl: it's what I use; no idea if ti's in th repos. I stream a few usb cameras over from pi's for low-cost security cameras.
[5:01] <foul_owl> Gotcha! Thank you!
[5:02] <Khaytsus> I also use it with the official camera too in one
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[5:09] <parco> hey guys, anyone interested in teaming up to get a Flutter app running on the Pi?
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[5:11] <lopta> What is Flutter?
[5:11] <parco> gui framework by Google, using Skia engine (the thing Chrome uses)
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[5:14] <erm3nda> muhaha
[5:14] <erm3nda> parco, ask google for funding you to do that :-)
[5:14] <erm3nda> then come back
[5:14] <Choscura> you ever get one of those pops in your neck where the side of your face flushes and goes numb for 30 seconds, and then every other bone in your neck suddenly is able to pop again and it snaps back to double the sensitivity it had been a minute ago?
[5:14] <Choscura> anyway, I'm thinking about making a raspberry pi cpap machine.
[5:15] <parco> Apparently the engine is written in such a way it can be cross compiled, it's just my compilation experience is little-no-none
[5:15] <Voop> someone came in here once looking for guidence on a pi based pace maker
[5:15] <lopta> Choscura: Please consult a medical professional.
[5:16] <parco> (with GN that is)
[5:16] <Choscura> I'll show them when there's something to show, I'm just stating intent at this point, frankly
[5:16] <Choscura> think a basic 12 v dc motor would more than do the job, simple battery, cheap to do
[5:17] <Choscura> I already have the normal type, they're not really very good or difficult to re-implement, and this should be something available on open source so somebody in ethiopia or rural china or wherever can copy this and have a problem solved
[5:18] <Choscura> so it's kind of a good test case for making that sort of thing happen around a pi
[5:18] <Voop> yeah its usually best to not build medical equiptment with diy hobbiest components
[5:18] <Choscura> eh, every component is manufactured, that manufacturing process is re-implementable, I basically consider one of my life goals getting the technology to make, eg, an iPhone, in your garage at scale
[5:19] <lopta> Choscura: There are reasons why that is not practical.
[5:19] <Voop> a while back i wanted to DIY a wifi thermostat since the commercial ones are so expensive
[5:19] <Choscura> so I'm happy to start with what can be done now, and here's a good usable-under-recreational-pretext-thing, which I also have medical access and guidance on (because, I have a cpap machine, I want to use this myself, lol)
[5:20] <lopta> Voop: That sounds more plausible.
[5:20] <Voop> no issues there right? well after i did some reading i realized it was a deadly idea
[5:20] <Choscura> I am well aware of the reasons it's not pracitcal *now*, and think I have a pretty good stack of stuff to start making it more practical going forward from here.
[5:20] <Choscura> eg, gingery lathe type stuff.
[5:20] <Voop> to have a pi be able to ignite my propane heater
[5:20] <Choscura> but, I gotta meatspace away
[5:20] <Choscura> so I'll idle and check back in a few hours
[5:20] <Voop> what if the pilot doesnt light and my house fills with gas
[5:20] <lopta> Goodbye Choscura
[5:21] <lopta> Voop: Your furnace should take care of that. It's not something your thermostat cares about.
[5:22] <Voop> yes but what if my furnace does not take care of that
[5:22] <Voop> then my house will explode
[5:22] <lopta> Voop: Sure, your insurance company might use your homebrew thermostat as an excuse not to pay out.
[5:23] <lopta> ...I'm guessing you're not going to put it through UL certification.
[5:23] <Voop> im just saying you have to think of the possibility your device fails
[5:23] <Voop> and if it fails, what will happen
[5:23] * lopta nods
[5:23] <Voop> if your DIY cpap machine fails...
[5:24] <Voop> i hope you didnt need it that badly
[5:24] <lopta> Voop: It's not my CPAP machine ;-)
[5:31] <Hdale85> so, I want to use this project http://www.instructables.com/id/Hottub-Pool-Controller-Web-Interface/
[5:31] <Hdale85> but I need analog inputs for the sensors that are built into my pump unit
[5:31] <Hdale85> so I got a little i2c analog input board, just wondering how hard it'll be to reconfigure that to make it all work lol
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[5:56] <lopta> I have to go to work in the morning so I'm going to lay down now.
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[9:37] <gordonDrogon> Hdale85, what's the chip on the I2C board?
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[11:34] <TotallyNotKim> ayyy! Obligatory "good, full hd, < 14" touch screen" post
[11:34] <TotallyNotKim> prefarable something without much plastic so I can build it into wood walls myself
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[11:56] <shiftplusone> TotallyNotKim: It's mostly up to you. There's the official display and also all the ones you can find on adafruit and elsewhere.
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[14:03] <iKarith> why do I have a feeling a lot of projects are about to move to bitbucket, gitlab, etc. in the near future for some reason? :)
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[14:06] <Habbie> i have a list of reasons why you might feel that way
[14:06] <Habbie> i have a list of reasons why i don't feel that way ;)
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[14:13] <Hdale85> gordonDrogon: ads1115 i believe
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[14:16] <Khaytsus> Microsloth is more friendly to OSS than they've ever been but at the same time I'm pretty sure that you're right. Will it matter, overall? Not really.
[14:20] <iKarith> Khaytsus: They also installed a keylogger on every Windows 7 system they could forcibly upgrade to Windows 10 without people's permission… Trust is lacking.
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[14:23] <shauno> I do think there was a lot of value in them being neutral territory
[14:23] <Khaytsus> iKarith: First I've heard of this
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[14:25] <iKarith> Khaytsus: They didn't exactly advertise it. In fact, when someone proved they were doing it, suddenly they decided they needed to greatly reduce Windows 10 "telemetry" data (which they still turn on at upgrades no matter how many times you turn it off) and start issuing statements describing what exactly they're collecting. Which is still a LOT.
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[14:25] <shiftplusone> given what they did to skype, who knows what ideas they have for github... they may replace it with something they develop internally and integrate it with linkedin and whatever else
[14:26] <iKarith> shiftplusone: that's not encouraging. :)
[14:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, I don't have high hopes, but I also don't really care. We all probably rely on github too much anyway.
[14:27] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I've been meaning to ask if there's anything you can share about thoughts and plans related to your amd64 releases. :)
[14:27] <red9> Exactly. They might do the same thing as everyone else. The problem is you can't TRUST them and then the expectation of constant dickmoves at any time.
[14:27] <Khaytsus> iKarith: You called it a keylogger. That is a very specific thing. Not "telemetry" not "forced updates".
[14:27] <iKarith> Khaytsus: what do you call "telemetry" that sends Microsoft every single keypress you make?
[14:28] <shiftplusone> red9: I'd probably be accused of having double standards if I didn't point it out, so.... mind the language please.
[14:28] <red9> Khaytsus, They probably has something better than keyloggers.
[14:28] <iKarith> Khaytsus: They don't get a pass for that because they call it a "debugging" tool.
[14:28] <Khaytsus> I am the _last_ person to defend MS.. but considering I've never heard of this before, I'm doubting it. Sorry.
[14:29] <iKarith> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html
[14:29] <Habbie> i read that article then, and i read it now, and nowhere does it support the claims
[14:29] <Habbie> but perhaps we can move the MS bashing elsewhere and return to our regular pi programming
[14:30] <red9> Embrace, Extend, Extinguish - is a M$ habit they can't let go of.
[14:30] <Khaytsus> Yeah...... that's not a keylogger. That's collecting typing _data_. Anyway.
[14:31] <red9> Habbie, You have a point. But a lot of projects well.. they reside on GitHub and thus can be messed up.
[14:33] <iKarith> Khaytsus: Barnucles demonstrated back when it happened actual keypresses being sent to Microsoft.
[14:34] <iKarith> Believe me or don't, I don't care. I had an actual question about Raspberry Pi related stuff, if shiftplusone can answer it.
[14:34] <iKarith> Or at least Raspbian-related.
[14:35] <shiftplusone> iKarith: not a whole lot going on it terms of amd64 releases. Things keep bumping it down the todo list
[14:35] <iKarith> I know how that goes.
[14:35] <iKarith> I saw it got an update sometime in 2017 but I don't know if that's just y'all decided to run a build of it
[14:36] <iKarith> November I think?
[14:36] <shiftplusone> not sure
[14:36] <shiftplusone> I keep telling people "yup, we should have an amd64 release with the next image", but... I should stop doing that >.>
[14:36] <red9> amd64 release of what?
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[14:37] <shiftplusone> We have a debian release that's the same as our raspbian images, but for i386
[14:37] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I hadn't heard you saying that, but I'd been hoping someone in Debian would've taken note of your pixel mods for LXDE and packaged them for Debian or something by now.
[14:38] <iKarith> LXDE … it's pretty light, sure, but it needed some help. You've done a fine job cleaning it up.
[14:38] <red9> What is the objective for an Raspbian-amd4 OS ?
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> red9: same environment as you get on the pi and integrates to some extent with pi products. For example, piserver is included, and there's also usbbootgui which lets you hook up a pi zero and twiddle the gpio pins or use it as an sd card reader... or load your own custom functionality to it.
[14:39] <iKarith> red9: Well, before they did it, I suggested I was a bit interested in having pi-gen spit out i686 and amd64 images pulled out of Debian…
[14:40] <BurtyB> aka insecurity in a box ;)
[14:40] <iKarith> Mostly just because I wanted a one-stop solution for my own releases which run on Debian.
[14:40] <shiftplusone> iKarith: most LXDE devs seems to be focusing on LXQT now, one of them did email ages ago about merging some of the bug fixes, but I don't know what happened with that.
[14:41] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I'm less excited about lxqt. I know it needs to go that way because it's gotta go to Qt or to GTK+ 3 and they decided they didn't like GTK+ 3.
[14:41] <iKarith> But I've also seen the nightmare when Qt gets an update…
[14:41] <iKarith> yikes. :)
[14:42] <iKarith> Pretty much half the Qt-using stuff gets broken until the other half of the dev libs get recompiled.
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[14:42] <red9> shiftplusone, Can you use the pi-zero as a sd-card writer without wizard stuff?
[14:43] <shiftplusone> red9: yeah, that's rpiboot's default function.
[14:43] <shiftplusone> although it's a bit awkward to use
[14:43] <iKarith> shiftplusone: did you ever hear about TiPi?
[14:43] <shiftplusone> since you have to start with without the card plugged in and then connect the card afterwards
[14:43] <shiftplusone> iKarith: nope
[14:44] <iKarith> shiftplusone: If you thought my stuff for the Apple II was a bit crazy, these guys who actually live not too far from me decided to wire up a CPLD and a Pi to a TI-99/4A…
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[14:45] <iKarith> shiftplusone: So the TI-99/4A can now access the Internet from BASIC on a machine where adding a 32k RAM expansion is a big deal. :)
[14:45] <davr0s> pi-zero as sd-card writer - as a USB OTG gadget?
[14:45] <red9> iKarith, Your brainwaves must have transformed them into emulator writing people ;)
[14:46] <Habbie> davr0s, actually that is -non- OTG usage :)
[14:46] <iKarith> red9: this isn't emulator stuff.
[14:46] <shiftplusone> I'd like to do something similar with a pi and my C64, but I think that's one of those projects that I'm never going to get around to.
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[14:47] <red9> I'll guess a htmlrender for 8-bit max 64kB isn't going to show up anytime soon?
[14:47] <davr0s> Habbie booted with a card then remove it?
[14:47] <iKarith> red9: This is some CPLD (small FPGA) magic connected to a 1981 "home computer" built using 1970s minicomputer tech … talking to some Python code on the Pi and getting a TCP/IP stack, HTTP protocol access, network file server, and the ability to telnet out …
[14:47] <Habbie> davr0s, if i have to guess, that is what shiftplusone means
[14:47] <iKarith> Because these people are nuts.
[14:48] <BurtyB> davr0s, no you start rpiboot with no SD in the Pi Zero then put the card in and access it over USB
[14:48] <red9> Doing 8-bit in 2018 is nuts per definition? ;-)
[14:48] <iKarith> The TCP/IP and HTTP stuff is somewhat simplified on the TI side, but … fun stuff. :)
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[14:49] <iKarith> red9: The TI-99/4A is a 16 bit processor. The first 16 bit home computer. 😁
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> 8-bit is cool - everyone using an arduino is in the 8-bit world, of-course ...
[14:49] <Habbie> BurtyB, how do you start rpiboot with no SD?
[14:49] <iKarith> Granted, it's a 16 bit computer with a 16 bit address space.
[14:50] <red9> iKarith, interesting.
[14:50] <BurtyB> Habbie, from the machine you're plugging it into the USB port
[14:50] <Habbie> BurtyB, oh - so that bit is OTG then?
[14:50] <red9> hmm..? memory.free_dirty_pages=true in about:config
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[14:51] <red9> So start "rpiboot" on the host machine. Plugin Pi-Zero over USB. Plug in SD-card. Start writing..?
[14:51] <iKarith> red9: slightly more fiddling than that, but generally.
[14:52] <shiftplusone> davr0s: the pi has the ability to load firmware over USB rather than off the sd card. rpiboot loads firmware to it that makes it act as a mass storage device.
[14:52] <davr0s> ah ok
[14:52] <red9> Can't be worse than getting LocalTalk working using STM32 .. ;)
[14:53] <iKarith> You got a STM32 speaking LocalTalk?
[14:54] <red9> https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275
[14:54] <iKarith> I had some interest in trying to rig up an RS-485 interface to pull LocalTalk data off the wire.
[14:55] <red9> Those guys got it to work by combining STM32F4 and a Zilog SCC
[14:56] <iKarith> Ah so they really only had to teach it the protocol
[14:56] <iKarith> The SDLC was all done by the SCC.
[14:56] <red9> I did some research into if a STM32 could do it without any SCC chip. Which may be hard to get these days.
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[14:57] <iKarith> Yeah that's why I was wondering if you could do it with RS-485 coaxed into kind of a brain dead mode.
[14:57] <red9> conclusion: with hard bit-bang, likely
[14:57] <iKarith> The major issue is differential signaling, as always.
[14:58] <iKarith> You could probably implement something that can handle SDLC in a CPLD I guess.
[14:58] <red9> If you can get to the dma/irq stuff on the Pi directly. It might work out there to.
[14:58] <iKarith> The Pi's GPIO has too much latency without a RTOS.
[14:58] <red9> iKarith, Correct, but that's just a $1 chip to fix it.
[14:59] <iKarith> My interest in doing it without a CPLD is that I … don't really know much about programming the things. :)
[15:00] <red9> You could use continous dma-reception which is then analyzed.
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[15:00] <red9> And then create buffer with encoding, then issue dma-send to well send it.
[15:01] <red9> Which reminds me that externally triggered DMA seems to not be available on the Pi.
[15:01] <iKarith> Not as far as I know.
[15:02] <iKarith> Although they're doing something fairly clever (and I don't know details since I never had one being from the wrong continent) to connect the Pi to the BBC Micro
[15:02] <red9> As for LocalTalk. I think it was differential and then FM0 (possible FM1) encoded. Leading 1010 sync etc. The rest is just 8-bit byte shuffling.
[15:03] <iKarith> It has this fun little interface called a Tube which apparently can be used to connect Z80s, ARMs, whatever… I think the Pi is emulating another CPU, but since ARM was always an option, it might be possible to actually have it be itself.
[15:03] <red9> iKarith, any url to the Pi <-> BBC Micro project?
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[15:04] <iKarith> Never had a BBC Micro, and even if I got one for a good price the shipping to me would be more than I'd likely pay for the machine.
[15:04] <red9> which country?
[15:05] <iKarith> I'm in the US
[15:05] <iKarith> https://github.com/hoglet67/PiTubeDirect
[15:05] <iKarith> They've got a bit in their wiki space as well
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[15:06] <red9> btw, Z85C30
[15:06] <red9> hmm.. github.com..
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[15:07] <iKarith> red9: The fortunate thing about github is that any clone of a github repo is a full and complete backup. :)
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[15:08] <woenx> Hi. is there an easy way to monitor current LAN traffic by device, and limit the up/down speed of a specific device, all with a nice interface?
[15:08] <woenx> I was thinking that using a raspberry pi for that would be quite useful
[15:08] <iKarith> woenx: that's usually a function of your router
[15:08] <woenx> yep, I know, but my router that my phone company uses doesn't have those features
[15:09] <davr0s> hah maybe thats what microsoft will change...
[15:09] <woenx> that's why i'm curious if a raspberry, connected to the router, could do that
[15:09] <davr0s> github .. migrated to a purely cloud based repo
[15:09] <davr0s> instead of cloning locally using git
[15:10] <lopta> woenx: There might be tools that can query the management or monitoring features of your router but I wouldn't want to funnel all my traffic through a Raspberry Pi
[15:10] <shauno> something I only just found out recently, if you change .git to .wiki.git, you can clone the wiki from github too
[15:10] <woenx> why not? like some sort of pi-hole but for network traffic
[15:10] <iKarith> woenx: not generally. Used to be that Ethernet devices were connected to a hub which had an uplink and several downlink ports. But we don't do that anymore. Now we use switches. When a machine talks to another machine on the LAN, no other machines even see the traffic.
[15:11] <woenx> aha
[15:11] <woenx> couldn't the Pi be used as a proxy of some sort?
[15:11] <woenx> maybe even adding a usb ethernet card
[15:11] <iKarith> Yes, that it could do, but it would require the cooperation of the other machines to use a proxy
[15:12] <shauno> it'd be quite a bottleneck too
[15:12] <iKarith> Also, the Pi 3 model B+ is limited to 300Mbit ethernet.
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[15:12] <lopta> woenx: The Pi might suffice if you have a modest Internet connection.
[15:12] <lopta> woenx: USB Ethernet is going to be slow too.
[15:12] <woenx> well, all my devices are wireless, so the 300mbps are no problem at this moment
[15:12] <shauno> usb ethernet solves nothing, the bottleneck is the usb controller in the first place
[15:12] <woenx> I just want to limit wifi speed for some devices
[15:12] <woenx> and for some time
[15:13] <iKarith> You might find you have better luck with some router running DD-WRT or something
[15:13] <woenx> and my internet is just 15mbps down and 2.5mbps up
[15:13] <woenx> aha
[15:13] <red9> Pi-Zero "However, if the main emulator has a cache miss at exactly the same time as the host attempts to read a tube register, this can increase to 300ns,"
[15:13] <iKarith> Particularly if you can get your phone company's router into a bridged mode
[15:13] <lopta> woenx: It might be possible then, using the wired Ethernet port to your ISP's modem and WiFi for everything else.
[15:13] <red9> So bare metal code + FIQ interrupts = 300 ns max.
[15:14] <lopta> woenx: You could ask about router software in #packetpushers
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[15:14] <woenx> thanks
[15:15] <red9> That means a C64 driven by a Pi-zero as a co-processor should work.
[15:18] <red9> Now if only externally clocked DMA was a thing on the Pi..
[15:18] <iKarith> they did get a Pi 3 to pretend to be a proper 1541 disk drive
[15:18] <iKarith> they sadly could not get it to run on the Zero
[15:19] <iKarith> Not SD2IEC either, proper 1541 emulation.
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[15:21] <red9> They must be doing something else than bare metal mode. Because C64 serial has no timing less than 20 microseconds.
[15:21] <shiftplusone> MS's presentation on the github acquisition http://aka.ms/ms06042018
[15:22] <shiftplusone> looks like integration with azure and other paid services is where they're going with it
[15:24] <Habbie> which is a thing they could have done without a merger, to be fair
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[15:26] <shiftplusone> Not if they wanted to push people towards their paid services from within github
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[15:27] <Habbie> shiftplusone, that is literally what the github marketplace already does for various third parties
[15:27] <Habbie> shiftplusone, conveniently all hidden away in the marketplace, of course
[15:27] <lopta> How fast can the serial port on a Raspberry Pi go?
[15:27] <lopta> (reliably)
[15:28] <iKarith> red9: they also have to emulate the drive, and they hadn't released their source code yet at last check
[15:29] <shiftplusone> curious to see what they'll do to it
[15:30] <iKarith> So am I, but then I've been known to be fascinated by videos showing disasters unfold in slow motion.
[15:30] <red9> lopta, 1 Mbit/s https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=51633
[15:31] <lopta> Thanks red9
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[15:31] * iKarith debates himself about SD cards…
[15:32] <red9> lopta, If you buy a real computer like a STM32. You get at least 10 Mbit/s serial speed :P
[15:32] <red9> iKarith, GitDisaster (tm) ;)
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[15:32] <lopta> red9: That's jolly fast!
[15:33] <iKarith> I've had pretty good luck with SanDisk. I don't know that they actually have any wear leveling or anything in their cards, but I've generally not had them die on me. OTOH, the U3 Samsung is just $2 more and more future-proof. But the card's going into a Pi which doesn't even have U1 and I don't have a U3 reader anyway…
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[15:35] <lopta> That reminds me, I should go to Walgreens today and pick up a microSDHC card.
[15:35] <red9> re ARM speed.. STM32F103 "One of the USART interfaces is able to communicate at speeds of up to 4.5 Mbit/s."
[15:36] <red9> Not 10 Mbit/s. But way more than PC 115.2 kbit/s ;)
[15:37] <iKarith> red9: I figure operating bare metal, the Pi with a little glue ought to sit right on the 6502 bus and provide ready armlet acceleration ala PalmOS 5 ready apps that were written for PalmOS 4.
[15:38] <iKarith> Regarding my SD card dilemma, this card's gonna have a fair amount of churn on it. Going into a build host.
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[15:40] <lopta> iKarith: Buy two? ;-)
[15:40] <red9> iKarith, Buy spinning rust attachment via USB (Universially Shitty Bus)..
[15:41] <iKarith> Budget's bretty tight since I need to also grab an extra Pi, power supply, and FLIRC case to shove it into as well.
[15:41] <iKarith> pretty tight
[15:41] <lopta> iKarith: I can relate to that.
[15:42] <lopta> red9: I've done that before but it's *so slow*
[15:42] <iKarith> Based on the number of these FLIRC cases I've bought, I estimate I own 1/3 of the company. :)
[15:42] <iKarith> I don't overclock but I do push a few of the Pi 3s pretty hard. They don't throttle in these things.
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[15:44] <red9> iKarith, You could try something I have been thinking on. Plain RAM as a USB-stick.
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[15:46] <iKarith> You can do better for cooling. Much better if you wanna overclock. The FLIRC cases have a fair bit of thermal mass but you can get more for less money honestly. They don't have as much surface area as even a smallish heatsink you could buy instead, and a small fan will make even the cheap heatsinks sold by everyone keep a stock speeds Pi nice and cool… But small, quiet, protected from whatever I'm
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[15:46] <iKarith> doing on the bench, cheap, and no moving parts to wear out? Sign me up.
[15:47] <iKarith> (see, I must own 1/3 of the company doing ads for them etc.)
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[15:50] <teclo-> afternoon, got a question, I'm trying to use a USB charger and a USB-microUSB cable on my Raspberry Pi 3, and I got the flashing yellow bolt in the upper right corner, especially when the system is under a heavy load... Do you know any good USB charger that will give enough power ?
[15:51] <red9> wrong prerequisite.
[15:51] <red9> Chargers won't give you a stable supply.
[15:52] <iKarith> ooh! 5V 5A? Why yes, let's not lose that. In fact if I can find an adapter from that thing's barrel plug around here to the micro-USB SBC makers insist on using despite the fact that the connector is NOT meant for 2.5+ amps *glares at RPF*, I can skip buying another CanaKit adapter and get that second SD card. :D
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[15:52] <iKarith> teclo-: Where are you located?
[15:52] <iKarith> teclo-: In North America it's hard to beat the CanaKit adapters
[15:53] <iKarith> They're a little cheaper than the official RPF ones because they don't have to be world voltage/plug compatible
[15:53] <pksato> teclo-: or need a better usb cable.
[15:53] <lopta> iKarith: I think Adafruit might have 5V 3A PSUs for the Pi.
[15:53] <iKarith> Likely so
[15:54] <teclo-> iKarith: Europe
[15:54] <teclo-> iKarith: never heard of CanaKit...
[15:54] <iKarith> But I just found my barrel to micro-USB for this brick on a leash 5A monster.
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[15:55] <iKarith> That'll power the Pi and some of that spinning rust if I need it to.
[15:56] <red9> Use the GPIO pins to feed 5V or solder a real DC-plug over that micro-USB connector to get some real ampere into the board.
[15:56] <iKarith> teclo-: They're a Canuckistani outfit, sell through Amazon, and one of the more friendly places we Americans can get them. :)
[15:57] <iKarith> red9: Obviously you should bypass the barrel jack and go straight for the mains plug.
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[15:57] <iKarith> red9: BTW, do you know what happens when you accidentally connect 12v to that 5v pin?
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[15:59] <iKarith> let's just say it's not as exciting as the mains lead, but I did that to a brand new Pi 3 when they'd just come out and there was kind of a shortage.
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[16:00] <teclo-> well I got a good "special Raspberry Pi micro USB power supply"... but it's on my desk at work and I'm at home
[16:00] <iKarith> I'm sure if I could solder worth beans I could probably repair the regulator that almost certainly cooked.
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[16:01] <iKarith> teclo-: if your USB cable's heavy enough, an Apple or Android tablet charger (1st party) will probably do the trick
[16:02] <teclo-> iKarith: ah well I've tried both an Apple and a Anker charger on my USB/microUSB cable on the Raspberry Pi
[16:03] <teclo-> iKarith: so the solution is "buy a better cable", good... what is a better cable ? So I can get it on amazon ;)
[16:03] <iKarith> I didn't have luck with my Anker, it kept trying to feed in just shy of 5v.
[16:03] <iKarith> I dunno why just shy, but it was enough to low-power-warning the Pi.
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[16:04] <iKarith> I'm sure it was providing enough current, it would just dip for a split second when power draw increased. Trying to be too smart.
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[16:05] <iKarith> I think I had a RAVpower around here that was a little less intelligent but these days they're likely all using the same smart-charging chips.
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[16:11] <JimBuntu> iKarith, USB spec allows for the voltage to dip to 4.75V. That's the bummer.
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[16:15] <iKarith> JimBuntu: it's not dropping that low
[16:15] <JimBuntu> Well, that's a good thing. But if it's built to spec, it might. For powering the Pi's, it's actually best to use a continuous voltage supply, instead of something obeying the USB specs, as odd as that may sound.
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[16:16] <red9> One solution. Parallell wire a beefy capacitor.
[16:16] <iKarith> ohey, I have one of those Samsung EVO Select U3 cards sitting in my little SD credit card thingy #2… I'll use it. :)
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[16:17] <iKarith> JimBuntu: which is why RPF needs to dump that micro-USB port for power with their next hardware revision, like they should've done for the Pi 3.
[16:18] <JimBuntu> iKarith, yeah, I'm not sure the convenience is worth the headache for so many users. I would be happier if they raised the price $5 USD and started including a proper power supply.
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[16:18] <JimBuntu> I know it's already an option... but still.
[16:18] <Khaytsus> JimBuntu: but that's ruin the overpriced pi + psu + case + stuff you dn't need combos
[16:19] <iKarith> Hopefully a layout revision will happen with the next Pi resulting from inclusion of USB3 and someone breaking up the DRAM mafia resulting in a 4GB Pi being practical. :) (I don't personally need the CPU to get any faster for most tasks…)
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[16:20] <JimBuntu> Agreed Khaytsus and iKarith too.
[16:20] <iKarith> JimBuntu: It'd go up $10 or so, and I'd really just prefer a barrel jack for power at this point. USB-C could provide the voltage and current needs of the SBCs, but that's cost prohibitive. The reason to use USB for power was back in 2012 it meant most people could use cheap phone chargers they already had. That hasn't been true for years though.
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[16:22] <JimBuntu> iKarith, I'm not OK with a $10 hike as default, but $5 is totally doable in their volumes. Honestly, they could probably 0% profit it for $1 USD.
[16:22] <iKarith> I _like_ etcher. :) I mean, aside from it still having this notion that 64GB is an unusual SD card size (LOL), and I really wish it had backup functions, but I like it a lot. I'm quite capable of dding an image myself, but … the idiotproof interface is great for the albino somehow still awake at 7:22am. :)
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[16:24] <BurtyB> iKarith, I don't know about the pi b 3+ but on the b 3 the undervoltage triggers between 4.56-4.7v so it's prob dropping below usb spec of 4.75v temporarily
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[16:33] <red9> Re power current issues. The GPIO pins should be able to handle 3 ampere or whatever the Pi needs?
[16:33] <lopta> That seems like a lot of current for a single pin. Do we use multiple pins for that?
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[16:35] <Habbie> are we feeding the pi or feeding something through GPIO?
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[16:37] <iKarith> lopta: the GPIO pin is more likely to take that than the USB connector!
[16:37] <Habbie> iKarith, uhm, no
[16:37] <Habbie> actual gpio pins are rated for mere milliamps
[16:37] <Habbie> but not all pins on the board are gpio pins
[16:37] <iKarith> Habbie: the 5v pin
[16:38] <Habbie> the 5v pin is not a gpio pin
[16:38] <Habbie> according to https://pinout.xyz/pinout/pin2_5v_power you can pull around 1.5A from it
[16:39] <iKarith> you are technically correct, however when someone says "GPIO pin" in response to the question of powering the Pi via the GPIO header upon which the 5v power pin is located, your response is intentionally ignoring context.
[16:39] <Habbie> i intentionally asked for that context
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[16:41] <iKarith> I don't know what other pin on the GPIO header you'd feed 5V at upwards of 3A we've been discussing for the past half an hour into.
[16:41] <iKarith> I wouldn't recommend feeding 5v into any other pin :)
[16:42] <iKarith> (that was discussed as well…)
[16:42] <Habbie> if you expect anybody willing to answer whatever question happens to be in focus when they switch to the channel
[16:42] <Habbie> to read back 30 minutes
[16:42] <Habbie> soon there will be very little help here
[16:43] <iKarith> That's funny, I seem to recall someone getting chewed out for re-asking a question asked several hours ago without response just a few hours ago…
[16:43] * iKarith shrugs and goes off to bed
[16:43] <Habbie> sleep well!
[16:44] <red9> I meant +5V DC into the appropriate pins in the 40-pin IDC header at the edge of the card. There's even two of them.
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[16:44] <Habbie> red9, right
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> red9, there is a published way to feed power into the Pi, but at the end of the day, it's your risk...
[16:45] <red9> How to sleep. One shee... No. One 5V pin, Two 5V pins.. Three.. ;)
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[16:46] <red9> gordonDrogon, The published way uses a connector published to not handle the current specified by the published way?
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> we're talking via the gpio here though, aren't wel?
[16:46] <Habbie> i understand red9 is talking physical pins 2 and 4
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> (or rather the gpio connector)
[16:47] <red9> The last line refering to the micro-USB.
[16:48] <red9> Anyway. The micro-USB will reach it's limit sooner or later. It's good for small stuff. Not power hungre computers.
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[16:49] <lopta> Do we have two +5V and two ground pins we can provide power to?
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[16:50] <Habbie> like, 8 ground pins, according to https://pinout.xyz/
[16:50] <BurtyB> red9, tbh I think it already has as the usb connector prob has a max of 1.8A or something
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[16:58] <red9> I'm starting to think of an experiment. Laboratory PSU, micro-USB, dummy load, thermometer.
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[17:06] <BurtyB> red9, heh, the spec does say 1.8A but I guess it has a little more to give :)
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[17:16] <TheNik> Hey, red9!
[17:16] <TheNik> Are you by chance familiar with a guy that used to hang out on IRC (different channel, different network) that was called red5?
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> lopta, the simple answer to your question is yes - you can feed power into the Pi via the 5v/0v pins on the GPIO connector. You will need a 5v PSU that can supply at least 1.5 amps plus what you need for the USB devices.
[17:20] <lopta> Thanks gordonDrogon
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> there are guidelines - use fuses, reverse polarity protecion, etc. but *shrug* it's a $35 device - if it goes up in smoke, just check the connections and buy another...
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[17:21] * lopta nods
[17:22] <JimBuntu> and don't forget to double check the output settings on the lab PSU. I nearly released the smoke once when I forgot to change from the 27V max to 16V max.
[17:24] <lopta> Why 16V instead of 5V?
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[17:28] * gordonDrogon guesses it was a 16v device ...
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> although a lot of the cheap 7809 types have a max. voltage depending on how much current they need to supply.
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[17:29] <JimBuntu> lopta, my bench supplies have various modes. The 16V max mode is the lowest one. I can adjust the voltage from 0-16V in that mode. Each mode also has their own memory settings... so when I was in 27V max mode, it was set for 24V... woulda been bad.
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[17:29] <lopta> Ah right, I see.
[17:30] <lopta> That would be awkward.
[17:30] <JimBuntu> Luckily, I strictly practive not having anything connected when powering on the supplies or changing modes. The look on my face though was probably priceless.
[17:31] <JimBuntu> It is awkward, and due to this, I normally leave different supplies at different settings/modes. Meh, it's one of those first-world problems that I can live with ;-)
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[18:51] <NoCode> Hi, my niece knows python, she's going in grade 12. I'm going to buy her a pi 3, and a bread board package with some sensors and stuff. What book would you suggest? This is the package I will be buying her: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06VTH7L28/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AV3WCPW70PEXC&psc=1
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[18:53] <NoCode> Had recently got her into Unity with a book, and she did well with that programming a game and stuff as well. But I'm not sure how well that would translate to the pi.
[18:55] <stivs> looks like a nice kit! says it includes a bunch of tutorials
[18:55] <stivs> on one hand, programming is programming, but for playing with the pi, you need a bit of basic electronics too
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[18:56] <NoCode> What kind of electronics book should I grab?
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[18:56] <Habbie> i have Make: Electronics here and it is fun to read but it requires a lot of stuff to follow along with all the experiments
[18:57] <NoCode> https://www.amazon.ca/Hacking-Electronics-Learning-Arduino-Raspberry/dp/1260012204/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528131285&sr=1-3 -- What about?
[18:58] <NoCode> Seems like a lot
[18:58] <NoCode> the topics
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[19:00] <NoCode> Habbie: Did you buy a kit with the MAKE books?
[19:00] <NoCode> book*
[19:00] <Habbie> NoCode, i did not and that makes it tricky
[19:00] <NoCode> hmm
[19:00] <Habbie> NoCode, i have plenty of other stuff, just not exactly what the book expects
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[19:02] <NoCode> maybe I should get her a sensors kit, and https://www.amazon.ca/Getting-Started-Sensors-Electronics-Raspberry/dp/1449367089/ref=pd_sim_14_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1449367089&pd_rd_r=8af229c2-6818-11e8-b9ca-89a5c8e6efba&pd_rd_w=2T3uQ&pd_rd_wg=yKcmd&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_p=818483864814972661&pf_rd_r=0C3JBQ7SGHC63QNQ20DH&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=0C3JBQ7SGHC63QNQ20DH
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[19:04] <TheNik> NoCode: You may link your niece to Adafruit or a similar site. They sell components similar to those in your kit (mostly individually, rather than in kits, though) and often provide tutorials on how to set them up. It's not as nice and clean as a book, but one could argue that it's sometimes simpler to follow
[19:05] <TheNik> On second look, the electronics tutorials look like they are a bit Arduino centered, though.
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[19:14] <stivs> given that sensors tend to be analog devices, not surprising
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[20:15] <marcelod> hi
[20:16] <marcelod> I am trying to install open cv2 on the raspberrypi 3 B+ that I got a couple of weeks ago... but it won't install it... I have read that with the rpi 3B+ there are some problems with it... anyone knows about it and can help me?
[20:17] <Habbie> marcelod, what problems are you having?
[20:17] <marcelod> i will pastebin it
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[20:18] <marcelod> https://pastebin.com/9aG19vZh
[20:19] <Habbie> hmm, that's not he most useful error ;)
[20:19] <marcelod> what would help?
[20:19] <Habbie> i wasn't blaming you, to be clear
[20:20] <marcelod> oh... so I agree with you :)
[20:20] <Habbie> https://pypi.org/project/cv2/ is 404
[20:20] <Habbie> which may be unrelated but will be a problem
[20:20] <marcelod> I found that if I do pip install what-ever-doesnt-exist i get the same error
[20:20] <Habbie> ok
[20:20] <Habbie> so we agree on that ;)
[20:21] <marcelod> :(
[20:21] <Habbie> uhm
[20:21] <Habbie> did you expect more useful before for pip install, while trying to install something that does not exist?
[20:21] <Habbie> *behaviour, not sure what happened there
[20:22] <marcelod> I wanted to see what the problem was with pip install
[20:22] <marcelod> so the thing is that the pip does not recognise cv2 as a package
[20:22] <Habbie> right
[20:22] <Habbie> but that's not a pi issue
[20:22] <Habbie> cv2 simply does not exist as a pip package
[20:23] <marcelod> I understand that
[20:23] <marcelod> but since it is an issue (as far as I could understand) that exists on Raspbian, I thought someone got the same problem
[20:24] <Habbie> i am somewhat confused
[20:24] <Habbie> did some howto tell you to 'pip install cv2'?
[20:24] <marcelod> yes
[20:24] <Habbie> that howto was wrong :)
[20:24] <marcelod> ok
[20:24] <marcelod> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=142700
[20:25] <marcelod> that one says something different but also does not work
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[20:25] <Habbie> how about apt-get install python-opencv?
[20:26] <marcelod> E: Unable to locate package python-opencv
[20:26] <Habbie> what version of raspbian is this?
[20:27] <marcelod> 9
[20:27] <Habbie> weird, my 8 has it
[20:27] <marcelod> that is the thing
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[20:28] <marcelod> they say in forums that with Stretch it does not work
[20:28] <marcelod> Stretch==9
[20:28] <Habbie> checking
[20:28] <marcelod> thanks man
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[20:33] <marcelod> sorry... I have to run now... bbl
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[20:34] <Habbie> 'oh'
[20:34] <Habbie> well
[20:34] <Habbie> it just works here
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[20:43] <localhorse> https://i.imgur.com/AcCTGHQ.jpg
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[20:44] <Habbie> localhorse, that is not appropriate in here
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[21:44] <localhorse> ok
[21:45] <localhorse> how can i boot as the user pi but only internally. when someone attached as keyboard and screen, they should not be logged in
[21:45] <localhorse> i have a service that starts on boot, that connects to my server
[21:45] <localhorse> running as user pi
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[21:46] <localhorse> so it has to login as user pi to start the .service, right?
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[21:47] <Voop> what does "only internally" mean
[21:47] <localhorse> Voop: not for the keyboard/screen
[21:48] <localhorse> it has to run headlessly anyway
[21:48] <Encrypt> localhorse, What do you want exactly?
[21:48] <localhorse> but if someone attached a kbd/screen, they should not be logged in
[21:48] <Voop> enable a password on boot
[21:48] <Encrypt> To run a program at startup with a specific user?
[21:48] <localhorse> Voop: but then it wont start my systemd service
[21:48] <localhorse> right?
[21:48] <Voop> im not sure honestly
[21:48] <localhorse> it only starts it when user pi gets logged in, right?
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[21:49] <Encrypt> localhorse, You can create a systemd service that will be executed by user X without having to log in of course
[21:49] <Encrypt> A SystemD service is the way to go
[21:49] <localhorse> Encrypt: without having to log in user X?
[21:49] <Encrypt> Yes
[21:49] <localhorse> how
[21:49] <Encrypt> Hopefully
[21:49] <Voop> but would it run the service on boot
[21:49] <Voop> or would you manually have to run it
[21:50] <Lartza> either
[21:50] <Encrypt> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/363098/running-a-systemd-service-as-a-user-other-than-root
[21:50] <Voop> my solution would be to hot glue the usb ports and hdmi port
[21:50] <Encrypt> localhorse, User=<your_user>
[21:50] <localhorse> i have that
[21:50] <localhorse> User=pi
[21:51] <Encrypt> And it osn't work?
[21:51] <Encrypt> doesn't*
[21:51] <localhorse> it works
[21:51] <Encrypt> Hum
[21:51] <Lartza> So what's the issue?
[21:51] <localhorse> but i'm currently auto logging in user pi at boot
[21:51] <Encrypt> Yeah :D
[21:51] <Encrypt> Well
[21:51] <localhorse> and i want to know if it still works if i dont
[21:51] <Lartza> Is it a system service?
[21:51] <localhorse> Lartza: systemd
[21:51] <Voop> just make it require a password
[21:51] <Encrypt> Normally, it runs before auto-logging in
[21:51] <Encrypt> localhorse, Yes, it will
[21:51] <Lartza> localhorse, That's now that I asked :P Is it a system or a user service
[21:51] <localhorse> Encrypt: so it will start the service even if the user doesnt log in?
[21:52] <Encrypt> Yes
[21:52] <localhorse> ok thx
[21:52] <Lartza> Do you access it with systemctl --user or just systemctl
[21:52] <Lartza> *not what I
[21:53] <Lartza> A system service has nothing to do with logging in, and will start without logging in and keep running if you log out. A user service won't
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[22:41] <catcombs> Hi, all. I have a usb-powered light with an on/off switch, and I want to use my Pi to control the power to the usb based on certain Python scripts I run. Is something like this possible?
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[22:46] <catcombs> in other words: i have a light connected to one my pi's usb ports that turns on if i flip a switch on it and i'm wondering if i can control that usb's port
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[22:48] <Project86__> Never thought I'd see the temp warning on my pi3b+.... But doing a cowpatty brutforce crack caused it to show within 5 mins.. even with heatsinks..
[22:48] <Project86__> Why is this
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[22:49] <deww> catcombs: unless your led light has other means of interaction via USB, you probably want to wire the light to the gpio ports and control it that way instead
[22:51] <catcombs> deww: Maybe to help, this is the exact light i'm working with: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Activated-Outdoor-Lighting-Birthday/dp/B06ZY5J73Y/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1528145453&sr=8-8&keywords=usb+party+light&dpID=41mSqCZHyiL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
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[22:54] <ShorTie> you can not turn off the usb power
[22:57] <catcombs> ShorTie: OK. If I can't control the usb power on the pi, should I use a hub or something? What this guy is doing in this video is exactly what I'd like to accomplish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg7uwVB33XE
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[22:59] <deww> catcombs: reading the github page there, yeah looks like he's controlling the hub?
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[23:03] <Project86__> You can use of those usb cords with the on/off switch on the cable. That does indeed turn off usb power
[23:03] <Project86__> They cost $1.25
[23:03] <Project86__> I use them for all my pi's
[23:04] <catcombs> deww: Yes. It looks like he's doing most of the power controls through the usb hub.
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[23:05] <deww> catcombs: you can try
[23:05] <catcombs> Project86__: I've seen those cables out there, but I'm not looking to turn the usb on/off manually. I want to send a script to the pi, which will then turn the usb powering my light and off. as for the light, I would just leave it "on," while connected. then, when the usb power is toggled, it will illuminate.
[23:07] <Project86__> Ahh I see
[23:07] <Project86__> Should be possible
[23:09] <Hdale85> so I'm trying to install the adafruit python libraries for this adc, and following their own guide it isn't working
[23:09] <Hdale85> https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-analog-to-digital-converters/ads1015-slash-ads1115
[23:10] <catcombs> Project86__: Yeah. I think I will try work witha usb hub like the guy did the in the video. Would it be worth looking into a usb relay module?
[23:10] <Hdale85> when I get to the python install it comes back and says file is not a zip file
[23:10] <catcombs> *would it also be worth
[23:13] <Hdale85> https://pastebin.com/NcwnVWXj
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[23:33] <bray90820_> Anyone know of a version of android that works on the 3B
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[23:36] <Hdale85> figured it out now lol
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[23:37] <AppAraat> Voop: I'm a bit further, it seems that AP works as long as it's manually started: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/8ol5of/i_have_trouble_initiating_ap_mode_of_the/
[23:37] <AppAraat> (as root)
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[23:42] <Project86__> So, I can see how a brute force can heat up the pi alot, but how would it cause overheating symbol to appear? I have a heatsink on chips, and the new pi3 B+ has that pre-encased heatsink also. I have no overclock settings or anything either. Never seen this happen before. Anything I can do to reduce the load or anything? Either that, or I'm plugging the fan in. Which is a 5v on a 3.3v pin..
[23:43] <Project86__> Maybe swap space may help?
[23:46] <Project86__> (Out of fear of killing the pi, for now, I've just transferred the .cap file to my laptop with 10gigs of ram)
[23:47] <Khaytsus> pi's aren't really good at intense computing... but it's not going to overheat either
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[23:51] <Project86__> Khaytsus: the temp logo popped up though. And I opened the top of case to let excess heat out and blew on it like an nes cartridge for 5mins (didnt attempt the nes cartridge "lick trick" yet lol) and it went away almost instantly (with one solid 96.8 degree breath blow). But the fact it showed up scares me. Why would that logo appear if it wasn't reaching its peak temp for overheating?
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[23:56] <Project86__> When touching the heatsinks, they were hot enough to burn my finger (if held there for a few seconds). And I realize it's not heavy at computing and bruteforcing uses up ram fast, which is why I asked if swap space (like zram) may help
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[23:57] <HrdwrBoB> basically
[23:57] <HrdwrBoB> you're doing it wrong
[23:57] <HrdwrBoB> it was never intended to be used for this purpose
[23:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's identical to asking why an economy car overheats after 1 lap of a racetrack
[23:59] <bray90820_> Anyone know of a version of android with the play store that works on the 3B
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