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IRC Log for 2018-06-05

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[0:02] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: but a pocket hacking machine is so intising, how could I resist? And the answer to your hypothetical, is: you don't attempt to go full speed the whole time. Also, the type of car makes no difference except to as how fast you can make a lap around that track.
[0:02] <HrdwrBoB> er, yes it does
[0:03] <HrdwrBoB> also the pi won't go full speed the time, it'll overheat and clock down :)
[0:03] <HrdwrBoB> it certainly makes a difference to how LONG you can lap around the track
[0:04] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: idk see how, economy car just won't make it around as fast. It won't overheat. I agree to the how LONG, but you said 1 lap :)
[0:05] <HrdwrBoB> it's about design intent, you'd be amazed at how quickly some cars overheat when they are being flogged
[0:05] <HrdwrBoB> but my point is the pi is designed for moderate workloads
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[0:07] <Project86__> I guess zram and a fan it is for now... Or I can use the pi for the lightwork (like info gathering such as obtaining handshakes) and transfer it to my laptop for the hard work. Ya, that sounds optimal. Thanks fam
[0:07] <Project86__> Time to setup ftp
[0:08] <HrdwrBoB> ^^ exactly
[0:08] <HrdwrBoB> also you what
[0:08] <HrdwrBoB> you are doing security work
[0:08] <HrdwrBoB> and you're using ftp?
[0:09] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: well, you got me in the right direction. Yes, on my own networks, Should I not use ftp?
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[0:09] <HrdwrBoB> you should NEVER use ftp.
[0:09] <HrdwrBoB> it's 2018.
[0:10] <Project86__> Lol ok, well I'm a little behind the learning curve 😶 what should I be using?
[0:10] <HrdwrBoB> sftp
[0:11] <Project86__> Lol. So just secure ftp. I thought u meant ftp itself was a bad idea
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[0:11] <Khaytsus> sftp is completely different than ftp...... nobody should use ftp for anything
[0:12] <HrdwrBoB> no. sftp is NOT secure ftp
[0:12] <HrdwrBoB> that would be ftp-ssl
[0:12] <akk> I'm forever amazed at all the ISPs that insist on plain ftp rather than something like ssh/rsync.
[0:12] <HrdwrBoB> sftp is a subsystem of ssh.
[0:13] <HrdwrBoB> akk: and yet we're now using https for a huge amount of web traffic
[0:13] <akk> Yeah, I just converted a bunch of websites to https today (yes I'm a late adopter, been putting it off).
[0:13] <shauno> hosts demanding ftp always makes me suspect their lead sysadmin left in the late 90s
[0:14] <HrdwrBoB> shauno: or is still there FROM the late 90s, and hasn't changed
[0:14] <akk> shauno: I always wonder that too, but nearly all the low-end hosting plans are ftp only and you have to pay more for ssh.
[0:14] <HrdwrBoB> sftp also existed in the late 90s fwiw :)
[0:15] <Hdale85> well I got this ADC and relay board working with the pi......just gotta learn how to adapt this python stuff to my hardware since it's slightly different.
[0:16] <HrdwrBoB> Hdale85: nice
[0:16] <HrdwrBoB> I got my canbus adapter working with my SPI screen
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[0:16] <Hdale85> I suppose, only coding I've ever done was HTML....and that was like.....16 years ago?
[0:16] <Hdale85> trying to use this https://github.com/itub/hot-tub-controller
[0:17] <Hdale85> but my ADC is different.
[0:17] <Hdale85> he used the MCP3008
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[0:17] <Hdale85> I have an I2C ADS1115
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[0:18] <HrdwrBoB> I think I have both of this in my parts bin
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[0:20] <Hdale85> https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-analog-to-digital-converters/ads1015-slash-ads1115?gclid=Cj0KCQjwxtPYBRD6ARIsAKs1XJ4DRTRk4Mta_rciZNdeZkNnbkMZbnPzd3StU_5csxeBRQY7g9ICaX4aAiveEALw_wcB
[0:21] <Hdale85> what I followed to get it setup and tested if it's working lol
[0:21] <Diggity> Hello, i have a pi 3 B and put fedora 28 on it. Trying to run updates it serms to be stuck on a python lib package as the progress bar keeps jumping back and forth? Cant do anything else like open new terminal etc, but i can move the mouse. It appears the screen is now also timing out and going black. Pressing a key on keyboard brings it back however... Sugfestions?
[0:23] <Project86__> HrdwrBoB: thanks for the information, if this was a forum, I'd +1 you
[0:24] <HrdwrBoB> No worries :)
[0:25] <Hdale85> the adc he used, uses spi pins
[0:25] <Hdale85> so kind of looks like most of the adc.py script needs to be changed =/
[0:25] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[0:26] <Hdale85> maybe I should just order a 3008 lol
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[0:36] <Diggity> Any one recommend how long i should let this sit or go for the reboot? Its been almost 20 minutes on this one package
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[0:43] <Diggity> Part
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[0:44] <Mathuin> I would have rebooted it ten minutes ago, but I have less patience.
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[1:11] <Voop> Project86__: my suggestion would be to ignore the heat completely
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[1:11] <Khaytsus> I think the proper suggestion was not to use a pi to try to rainbow passwords.
[1:12] <Voop> its a tablet processor. they go in small enclosures with no active or passive cooling
[1:12] <Voop> also is there actually an overheat icon? never seen that
[1:12] <Voop> only the lightening bolt (or rainbow square in previous versions)
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[1:13] <Voop> AppAraat: are you having trouble running it on boot?
[1:13] <Voop> thats the easy part
[1:15] <AppAraat> how so? No idea why hostapd is failing on boot. Should it be started as a user?
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[1:18] <Project86__> Voop: you get -1
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[1:54] <Voop> AppAraat: how is it failing
[1:54] <Voop> Project86__: :(
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[3:18] <bray90820_> Anyone know of a version of android with the play store that works on the 3B
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[3:26] <Lartza> Should work on https://emteria.com/
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[3:38] <Giant81> I'm trying to setup a basic wall calendar using a raspy zero w and just a browser setup to go fullscreen and show me my google calendar
[3:38] <Giant81> but when I try to show my calendar in chrome, it is a very basic text based version, not the full calendar I get on a more powerful machine
[3:39] <Giant81> I have to be missing something... is it flash? is it java? html5 support?
[3:39] <Giant81> and are there better browsers than chrome? chrome is a complete system hog on any system.
[3:41] <Giant81> as I look online more I think I'll try iceweasel and see if that displays my calendar right.
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[4:03] <Voop> Giant81: try different browsers
[4:03] <Voop> try epiphany
[4:03] <Giant81> yeah Firefox appears to be working
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[4:04] <Voop> or use a calandar app
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[4:04] <Voop> there are some nice ones
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[4:04] <Voop> check out the million "magic mirror" rpi projects people have done
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[4:05] <Giant81> yeah but my google calendar actually has like 8 calendars in it all stacked up
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[4:06] <Giant81> which is nice, but most of the dakboard and other stuff make me sync one at a time... I like just logging in to see them all... unless I guess I can use multiple icals and they all stack?
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[4:06] <Voop> i dont know anything about calandars
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[4:06] <Voop> i have a paper one on my wall
[4:07] <Voop> think its on feb 2015
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[4:10] <Giant81> wife keeps a dry erase calendar on the all udpated every month
[4:10] <Giant81> I figured we have a 32" tv laying around and a raspi, so the cost of a wall mount and some tinker time, and I'll just digitize it so it updates itself.
[4:11] <Giant81> this is what I'm doing http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Wall-Mounted-Google-Calendar/
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[6:18] <prsstnt> hello
[6:18] <prsstnt> trying to decide if rasperry pi is worth getting
[6:18] <prsstnt> i'd like to make a server on it
[6:18] <NowhereMan> you have a few price ranges
[6:18] <NowhereMan> what sorta server?
[6:19] <prsstnt> probably apache
[6:19] <NowhereMan> keep in mind the higher end one costs $35
[6:19] <prsstnt> hosting my work to myself for when i change location
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[6:20] <NowhereMan> depends on your work
[6:21] <NowhereMan> if you draw lollipop label designs, maybe
[6:21] <prsstnt> what is that?
[6:22] <NowhereMan> I'm saying it a good computer but not a high end server
[6:23] <prsstnt> it'll be very low demand
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[6:23] <prsstnt> mostly hosting code
[6:23] <prsstnt> probably
[6:23] <NowhereMan> considering they aren't too expensive, buy on and see if it will work for you
[6:23] <NowhereMan> if not, use it for a different project
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[8:20] <AppAraat> Voop: in logs I see "hostapd[434]: Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd failed!" I'm not sure if there's anything more verbose than that.
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[9:44] <ShapeShifter499> hmm
[9:45] <ShapeShifter499> never use electrical tape to insulate against short circuits if using a metal box case like a altoids tin. I seemed to have dropped around 3-5C just for swapping tape for a plastic card
[9:45] <ShapeShifter499> Raspberry Pi 3B+
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[10:00] <xharx_> hi. i am not able to connect to localhost from the browser while runnging raspbian. why? do i have to configure something?
[10:01] <xharx_> i try to connect via 127.0.0.1:xxxxx
[10:01] <Habbie> xharx_, what are you trying to connect to?
[10:02] <xharx_> i have written a server. it is runnging, butthe browser doesnt connect
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[10:02] <Habbie> try connecting with curl -v
[10:02] <Habbie> it will give more useful errors
[10:03] <xharx_> ok thx so far
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[12:04] <realies> does it matter if i connect a I2C chip on Pin3,5 or Pin27,28?
[12:04] <realies> is the pi gonna see it either way?
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[12:07] <Habbie> 3,5 are designed for your usage
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[12:07] <Habbie> 27,28 are, by default, for EEPROM detection, but i bet you can use them manually
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[12:09] <realies> Habbie, would the I2C driver care on which pins should it look for it?
[12:09] <realies> s/I2C driver/chip driver
[12:09] <Habbie> realies, i am unsure
[12:09] <Habbie> realies, just use 3,5 if you can?
[12:09] <realies> that's the thing, i'm looking t use 27,28 if possible
[12:09] <realies> but not sure how to find out
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[12:14] <ShorTie> what do you want to hook up to 27,28 of i can ask ??
[12:14] <realies> ShorTie, WM5102
[12:14] <realies> but it seems that the latest built-in driver for it uses SPI to talk to it I believe
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[12:30] <red9> Apple ditches OpenGL in favor of Metal: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/8okkk9/apple_deprecating_opengl/
[12:31] <realies> we know
[12:32] <realies> not sure how rpi related anyway
[12:34] <davr0s> some connections -
[12:34] <davr0s> the RPi uses GL, right? Apple ditching it will mean reduced openGL support generally
[12:35] <davr0s> conversely I am sat here considering migrating some activity from my mac to the R-Pi , just for GL
[12:36] <realies> it will be deprecated in favour of Metal, OpenGL would not suddenly stop working
[12:36] <davr0s> yea but the writing is on the wall
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[12:36] <davr0s> eventually they will stop shipping support
[12:37] <realies> welp, apple is a meme anyway
[12:37] <davr0s> i like working on my apple laptop.. and having the ability to write crossplatform code (run it on my desktop , or pi..) .. this is a downer
[12:38] <davr0s> on the same day i discover i might have to ween myself off github too hehe
[12:39] <realies> i liked my macbook too, but i can't wait to swap it for something else
[12:40] <davr0s> i still prefer the mac os deskop environment to anything else
[12:40] <davr0s> ^ specifically on a laptop, with the trackpad gestures
[12:40] <realies> you prefer being told what to use because someone has decided it for you?
[12:41] <davr0s> usually no - but honestly seeing all the different attempts, I genuinely prefer the apple setup: specifically how the switching works, and the trackpad gestures
[12:42] <davr0s> its untuitive: the amount you can do on the trackpad itself without having to remember hotkeys: and in the laptop formfactor, the trackpad is closer than a mouse on a desktop
[12:42] <realies> sticking to a whole ecosystem because of the trackpad gestures - priceless
[12:42] <davr0s> i realise that sounds a bit strange but it's one of several things
[12:43] <davr0s> i'm a fan of global-menu.. it's always an afterthought in linux-land
[12:44] <davr0s> and often not done quite done right
[12:44] <realies> global-menu?
[12:44] <davr0s> the menu bar on the top
[12:44] <realies> you can do that in windows if you wanted to...
[12:44] <realies> and any other major os
[12:44] <davr0s> it never quite fits together.. there's usually something broken somewhere
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[12:45] <realies> never had that issue
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[12:45] <davr0s> actually there is a gap to improve over the osx desktop based on something they changed recently,
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[12:46] <davr0s> but i've not seen any linux option that i like as much (i tend to stick with xfce because of what it does , it does less wrong)
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[12:47] <realies> cool story, but other OSes are more customisable than macOS
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[12:47] <realies> enough on the topic from me though
[12:47] <davr0s> i never used to be able to program on a laptop - found the screenspace too restrictive. the mac is the first laptop (due to the specifics of desktop/trackpad gestures) that I found programming on to be comfortable
[12:48] <davr0s> realies I know they're more customizable, but when one already does more of what I want out of the box (and the customization is error prone because different bits might not fix together..)
[12:48] <realies> that's bs to me
[12:49] <realies> and i'm writing this from a macbook
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[12:49] <davr0s> and i'm not saying OSX is perfect - there's still tweaks I can imagine that would improve it
[12:49] <realies> i hope your dreams come true
[12:49] <realies> but don't let your dreams be memes
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[12:49] <davr0s> what do you mean by that
[12:50] <realies> great question
[12:50] <davr0s> oh there's another more practical thing OSX gets right: the behaviour of multiple desktops with multiple monitors
[12:51] <davr0s> again i've never seen this on linux (and am dissapointed it's not so obvious that it's not the default)
[12:51] <davr0s> when you have a second monitor , each monitor has it's own desktops, and they switch independently
[12:51] <davr0s> by comparison the default behaviour (all swithcing together) seems completely retarded
[12:51] <davr0s> default linux behaviour^
[12:52] <davr0s> also you can drag desktops *between* monitors
[12:52] <davr0s> so: it is unambiguously better at handling multiple monitors+multiple desktops
[12:56] <davr0s> given that linux led multiple-desktops... it surprised me that mac osx got that right first
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[12:59] <red9> davr0s, Trackpad gestures can most likely be implemented as some X11 middleware. So no real reason to stick to Apple because of that alone.
[13:01] <davr0s> its not just the gestures: it's their integration with the desktop environment including those features I mention. I like the whole package... global-menu, how they handle multi-desktop/multi-monitor & 'overview' integreation, and the use of the gestures to trigger them
[13:01] <davr0s> i've spent a lot of time fucking around with linux DE's and nothing satisfies me as much as the apple environment
[13:02] <red9> Try FreeBSD.
[13:02] <davr0s> (although they're not *bad*, I do find something simpler like XFCE useable.. I jsut find when they try to do *more*, with all the fancier transitions etc.. .they get it wrong. See: Gnome Shell. it's horrible out of the box)
[13:02] <davr0s> anyway i am conflicted , because with this GL announcement i would like to wean myself off apple.
[13:03] <red9> Thing is FOSS gives you the option to customize for real. And protect your software investment against future nasties from management.
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[13:04] <davr0s> yes I do like the FOSS ideal. and I realise there is nothing to stop me, from , say , coding everything I want from the ground up
[13:05] <davr0s> *adapting* someone elses code can reach a limit though when you often find some tweak conflicts with their original assumptions
[13:05] <red9> Let's hope someone writes a MoltenVK thing which translates OpenGL calls into Apple-Metal ones.
[13:05] <davr0s> yeah i was thinking about that
[13:05] <davr0s> there's 'ANGLE' already or something?
[13:06] <red9> Isn't that for translating OpenGL to DirectX ?
[13:06] <red9> Another ev1l empire..
[13:06] <davr0s> i can't remember but it at least shows something at the same level as what you are talking about has been done
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[15:09] <red9> Is there any way to tell if ntpd has gotten a update in the last hour or so?
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[15:10] <Khaytsus> red9: ntpd typically logs..
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[15:49] <mfa298> red9: if it's ntpd (rather than something else) then try `ntpq -p` for various useful stats
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[15:50] <mfa298> typically ntpd (if run as a daemon) is regularly talking to a few others servers to see how clocks drift etc.
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[15:51] <iKarith> Curious, is the Pi camera pretty low latency when streaming video just to the screen? :)
[15:52] <mfa298> it ought to be low latency as it should all be able to stay within the gpu
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[15:59] <iKarith> mfa298: I'm legally blind, and I told my local government agency that I needed a portable CCTV for reading books and filling out paperwork. They told me these things usually cost about US$1500 to about $3500. Except for one that's substantially less, which comes with a free iPad Pro.
[16:00] <iKarith> mfa298: Well, it's not suitable for soldering, but last night I took a board and stuck it under my iPad with its LED on. The light's a bit too harsh and point-lighty, but … https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgk8ncu30beg2ku/IMG_1789.jpg?dl=0
[16:02] <iKarith> Grabbed a spudger to see if I could get something approximating an iron tip in where I wanted it. With better lighting and the screen separate from the camera, that could work. I've got a mind to grab a Pi Zero and order myself a camera.
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[16:04] <mfa298> from what I remember of using the PiCam (around 4 years ago), when you used raspistill or raspivid you get a preview window that's pretty immediate with what it's showing (as the data probably isn't hitting linux or the arm cpu at for the preview stuff)
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[16:09] <iKarith> I probably want to either pull it into the CPU or into a streaming texture I can apply shaders to
[16:10] <iKarith> If I can apply a shader to the image, I can B&W it, invert the pixels, do things like yellow on black, etc.
[16:11] <iKarith> Grab a USB numeric keypad to control things like zoom and other settings
[16:13] <mfa298> you might be able to do some of that within the GPU/ISP processing, there was (and I assume still is) a python module that makes doing stuff with the picam fairly easy.
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[16:15] <iKarith> The kind of image processing I'm talking about is pretty basic stuff for GLES, at least, so if I have it as a texture in the VC4, it's all about drawing that texture on the screen and possibly applying a shader on top. Maybe some HUD to control
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[16:18] <iKarith> This has promise. :) And I'm always eager to ruin these guys' fun: https://www.freedomscientific.com/Products/LowVision/TOPAZPHD
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[16:19] <iKarith> They don't list the price tag on that thing of course, but I guarantee you it's > US$1000.
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[16:20] <BurtyB> iKarith, >�2k on google shopping :)
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[16:22] <iKarith> BurtyB: That … yeah, I can't even.
[16:23] <iKarith> BurtyB: These evil ba… people are also known to sell you hardware with features that require installing an upgrade key to unlock.
[16:23] <iKarith> Here's your new camera! It's black and white! Oh, yeah, install this little card for a few hundred more if you want to "upgrade" it.
[16:24] <iKarith> And that's just a DRM key of course.
[16:24] <iKarith> I figure screwing them out of a few sales is a public service.
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[16:30] <AppAraat> Voop: it just started working out of a sudden. I call Heisenbug.
[16:30] <AppAraat> anyway, I present you... my portable media player :p https://s15.postimg.cc/65h32gvm3/IMG_20180605_162613.jpg
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[16:31] <iKarith> AppAraat: Perfect for your next intercontinental flight! :)
[16:31] <AppAraat> lol
[16:31] <AppAraat> I don't think security agents will understand if I say that it can drop serious bombs
[16:32] <Khaytsus> AppAraat: That's a good thing to announce to the tsa
[16:33] <Khaytsus> AppAraat: Anyway; you don't actually use that as a portable media player right?
[16:33] <AppAraat> I like to call this, uh a prototype
[16:33] <iKarith> AppAraat: back in the day, there was some Israeli guy who hacked a Palm Zire 71 to use big ol' NiCD batteries. The Zire was taken apart and bolted together with long machine screws, washers, and hex nuts with clearly hand-soldered wires and beefy green cylindar NiCd batteries sandwiched in between the halves.
[16:33] <AppAraat> haha fun
[16:33] <iKarith> AppAraat: Apparently he took the thing on international flights regularly.
[16:34] <iKarith> He built it for watching videos on the plane
[16:35] <AppAraat> I mean, if it was back far enough in time it could have been possible
[16:35] <iKarith> Post 9/11
[16:35] <AppAraat> especially so pre 9/11
[16:35] <AppAraat> oh dear
[16:35] <iKarith> Keep in mind though, Israeli airline
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[16:35] <iKarith> they ask you lots of questions and if they don't like the answers you give or how you give them, they keep asking until they decide you do or don't get on the plane.
[16:36] <AppAraat> I want to get a powerbank for my laptop but I'm afraid it won't get past security
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[16:36] <iKarith> Then they give you steak knives during your flight. :)
[16:36] <AppAraat> lol
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[16:38] <iKarith> Screw this security theater crap. They're profiling you, asking lots of personal and loaded questions, and watching what you say and how you react. Because 95 year old grandma who is always "randomly" picked for extra screening is SO scary, but the guy behind her whose glances keep darting around and is taking odd pictures of all the security infrastructure must be harmless!
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[16:38] <AppAraat> !!!
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[16:38] <Khaytsus> These days you can't even bring a portable charger on a plane
[16:39] <AppAraat> my grandma was held at the airport because she had cheese and sausages with her
[16:39] <Khaytsus> AppAraat: Well, you're not allowed to transport some foods
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[16:40] <iKarith> (I don't know if there's a guy doing those things, but … I assume at most US airports that's not a red flag or anything unless he is carrying a fingernail clippers or a 3.1oz bottle of shampoo.)
[16:40] <shiftplusone> Is this mostly US airports?
[16:40] <AppAraat> Khaytsus: because they fear that the cheese will become a plague -_-
[16:41] <iKarith> shiftplusone: Yeah I've never been to an airport outside the US, but our "security" is kind of a joke really.
[16:41] <shiftplusone> I fly between UK and Australia relatively frequently and haven't had any major issues... even given that my luggage is mostly raspberry pis and peripherals in a mess of wires.
[16:41] <Armand> I go from UK to US at least once a year.. never had reason to complain.
[16:42] <iKarith> shiftplusone: well that's suspicious on its own, because RPis are da bomb
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[16:43] <iKarith> shiftplusone: did you see my link above to the low vision thingy that's > £2000
[16:44] <Armand> "da bomb".... *puts iKarith on a watchlist*
[16:44] <shiftplusone> I have now
[16:45] <red9> Did he do wrongthink? ;)
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> Seems like a pi with a display, camera and some LEDs could do the job just fine.
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[16:46] <iKarith> Armand: I'm an avowed "prepper" and trained/certified for radiological decontamination/cleanup in the event of a spill or power plant accident (or aftermath of … not accident). My Google history alone would put me on most lists probably. :D
[16:47] * Tenkawa found him a nice case this weekend :)
[16:47] <Armand> Hahahahaa
[16:47] <AppAraat> I have to _at least_ get something like this but an OTG adapter version: https://cdn.head-fi.org/a/8051630.jpg - any ideas where I can get something like that?
[16:47] <iKarith> "Why is this 'blind' guy searching for stuff on uranium and schematics for the Echo speech synthesizer for the Apple II?"
[16:48] <iKarith> "…also dehydrated food dry-pak recipes."
[16:48] <AppAraat> lol
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[16:49] <Tenkawa> the thing has a fan and 3 heat sinks... i am quite pleased so far
[16:49] <Tenkawa> my pi3+ fit perfect
[16:50] <iKarith> shiftplusone: those cameras are literally a knob or -/+ buttons for zoom and a very simple menu to change colors around. So … Pi Zero, camera module, 5050 LED ring, and a 10" screen and some stuff from the hardware store to build an enclosure.
[16:51] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I greatly love the idea of disrupting their business model a bit. :)
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[16:54] <iKarith> Tenkawa: why 3 heat sinks?
[16:54] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't want to pay 2000gbp for something like that either.... or want to support them if they're priced that high because the customer doesn't pay for it directly.
[16:54] <iKarith> Tenkawa: Only the CPU really needs one, and then only if you're pushing the CPU hard or overclocking.
[16:55] <iKarith> shiftplusone: they know they sell mostly to government, so they can charge what they want.
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[16:55] <Tenkawa> iKarith: dont ask me.. ask c4labs
[16:56] <iKarith> "Zebra Virtue"
[16:56] <Tenkawa> it does run really cool though pushing it very hard
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[16:58] <iKarith> yeah the secret is the fan
[16:58] <Tenkawa> the rpi3+ has a gpu too doesnt it?
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[16:58] <Tenkawa> thats got one of the sinks i think
[16:58] <iKarith> those heatsinks don't really have the thermal mass to hold much heat, but the fan is right on top of it so it pulls it right out of there
[16:58] <iKarith> GPU is in the CPU
[16:58] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[16:59] <iKarith> The other chips are RAM and Ethernet
[16:59] <Tenkawa> let me look at the graphic
[16:59] <iKarith> the first Pi ethernet chip got hot, but they fixed that back before Pi 2.
[17:00] <iKarith> Companies sell these heatsink kits because people buy them
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[17:00] <iKarith> The one on the CPU does something if your case is open and a bit more if it has a fan to move air past it, but the others are mostly there to look cool ;)
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[17:01] <Tenkawa> yeah well I'll take all the heat dissapation I can get and actually that is incorrect
[17:01] <Tenkawa> you can very easily overheat a network card
[17:03] <Tenkawa> gpu is my biggest fear though
[17:03] <iKarith> that's in the CPU SoC
[17:03] <Tenkawa> yes
[17:03] <Tenkawa> thats my point
[17:04] <iKarith> You've got a dinky heatsink on that (meh) and a fan on top of that (good), you'll be fine. :)
[17:04] <iKarith> That chip throttles at 80 degrees.
[17:04] <Tenkawa> one thing I do like is I also have a channel in here redirecting the air out the back and up
[17:05] <iKarith> yeah, a lot of cases don't have that.
[17:05] <iKarith> if there's nowhere for the heat to go, it's gonna stay on the chip, duh.
[17:05] <Tenkawa> I'm not worried. i just needed something to replace the one that broke in two pieces rofl
[17:06] <Tenkawa> i didnt mind spending a bit on it (does look nice, very well constructed too)
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[17:07] <Tenkawa> I take this thing everywhere so i need something a little more robust
[17:07] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[17:08] <davr0s> pi habit growing.. 8 pi-cams now, and trying to bring the pi-zero count up day by day
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[17:08] <Tenkawa> davr0s: oh i dont even want to even admit how many non-cased pi's i have
[17:08] <davr0s> 16 would be better
[17:09] * Tenkawa hides in the corner
[17:09] <davr0s> MORE than 16?!
[17:09] <Tenkawa> mind you most of them are zeros
[17:09] <davr0s> maybe even pre w ?
[17:09] <Tenkawa> yes
[17:10] <Tenkawa> I've been following the pi since almost the beginning days
[17:10] <davr0s> i did think that's a viable solution for what i want, e.g. could have 2 pi-3's with wifi and pi-zero-pre-W's driven by them over USB
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[17:10] <Tenkawa> this is my type of computing
[17:10] <davr0s> i'm sort of making up for lost time :)
[17:11] <Tenkawa> davr0s: I even have a cluster pi boaard
[17:11] <Tenkawa> er board
[17:11] <Tenkawa> go check it out if you havent seen it
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[17:11] <davr0s> ok i've been directed toward the 'cluster hat' for some things i've asked about here already
[17:11] <Tenkawa> yeah that
[17:12] <Tenkawa> got one
[17:12] <davr0s> i might need to grab some servos soon, i have a use in mind
[17:12] <Tenkawa> its nice
[17:12] <davr0s> servos or stepper motors
[17:12] <Tenkawa> bit deliate though
[17:12] <Tenkawa> so if you get one be careful be careful with the connectors where the zeros connect in
[17:13] <davr0s> i want to make a mini-desktop 'lightstage' ie. lightfield 'camera', photographing an object from many angles with light from many directions
[17:13] <Tenkawa> er delicate
[17:13] <davr0s> yeah i've broken a camera connector already.
[17:13] <Tenkawa> bummer
[17:14] <davr0s> its still useable, just flaky. i've tried jamming in with paper
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[17:14] <davr0s> it will be ok in a static scenario
[17:14] <Tenkawa> good
[17:14] <davr0s> failing that , i'm sure i can find another use
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[17:25] <Tenkawa> bbl.. lunch time
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[17:50] <repys> hi what is the best power supply for a raspberry pi w zero?
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[17:58] <ShorTie> i like chromebook 5.25v@3amp supplies
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[17:59] <repys> something cheap from amazon?
[18:00] <repys> how can I disable the hdmi output permanently on my pi?
[18:00] <repys> I found 'vcgencmd display_power 0' , should I run it just once or should I run it at each boot time? :)
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[18:04] <shiftplusone> reliable, cheap and safe. Pick 2. The recommend power supply is the official one, but it's not a cheap ebay one.
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[18:06] <repys> ok and what about the vcgencmd display_power 0 ?
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[18:12] <shiftplusone> I don't know what that does exactly, but you'd have to run it each time.
[18:12] <shiftplusone> I think it would make more sense to force composite output in config.txt instead.
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[18:19] * SirLagz nom nom power supplies
[18:20] <shiftplusone> SirLagz: Go to sleep. It's late!
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[18:22] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: soon lol
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[18:58] <stoner19> hi friends. Curious if anyone has experience with Kano kits?
[18:58] <stoner19> thinking of getting them for my kids.
[18:59] <stoner19> in before overpriced. The idea is "all in one" hands on learning solution for the kids.
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[19:10] <katnip> noob question, do i unplug the pi before putting in a new sd card; and also, download the noobs file, extract and move to the card?
[19:14] <stoner19> yes, make sure its off before putting sd card in
[19:14] <stoner19> I use apple pi baker to properly flash the sd card and put the OS on it
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[19:15] <katnip> thanks :)
[19:16] <stoner19> there are quite a few programs out there that will help you automate the process of flashing the SD card and putting the OS on it
[19:17] <stoner19> just depends on what operating system you are using to do it
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[19:24] <choscura> ooooh I love this 3b+!
[19:25] <choscura> had to do a new file system for it, but now that it's up, this is an awesome little machine!
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[20:18] <TheCryptek> choscura: I can't wait to get a 3b+ I just have the 3b
[20:19] <choscura> the b+ is a pretty good upgrade, but I wouldn't necessarily call it game changing unless you're actually deploying a product and need to meet licensing requirements
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[20:19] <choscura> it does boot a few seconds faster and seem a bit more responsive and the 5mhz wifi is a nice to have
[20:19] <choscura> but don't look down too hard on the plain 'ol 3b
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[20:21] <BurtyB> for somethings it's a downgrade :( what used to take less than an hour now takes over 8 hours on the 3b+ due to the issues with the nic
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[20:21] <ShorTie> nic issue's ??
[20:21] <choscura> eh?
[20:21] <choscura> what is this now?
[20:22] <BurtyB> ShorTie, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2449
[20:22] <BHX> Hello everybody, does anybody know what the earliest point in time during the boot process is, where I can display an image from SD card. (spashscreen)
[20:23] <choscura> BHX, what? why?
[20:23] <choscura> theoretically you could load one into the GPU as a replacement test image, and it would display instead of that rainbow square
[20:23] <choscura> but that is very inadvisable
[20:24] <BHX> Because having a black screen displayed for around 5 seconds after turning the unit on is pretty much inacceptable in industrial appliances...
[20:24] <BHX> (We're using the compute module 3)
[20:24] <choscura> that sounds like the 3b+
[20:25] <choscura> and, hmm
[20:25] <choscura> again, gpu replacement test image
[20:25] <choscura> or, some other OS
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[20:25] <choscura> but, 5 seconds of boot is not bad
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[20:26] <BHX> It's not 5 seconds, it's 5 seconds until the linux configurable splash screen appears. After that it's another 6 seconds ~_~
[20:26] <choscura> generally 15 seconds or less, let's say that
[20:26] <programmerq> Voopâ–¸ Those dc->dc stepdown modules got here. I was able to boot my pi2+wifi adapter without a lightning bolt symbol, so I'm super happy.
[20:27] <programmerq> I don't have an ammeter though, so I'm not sure how effectively I can test its performance.
[20:27] <BHX> Yea, I removed pretty much all parts of linux I didn't need (as far as I could go without custom building)
[20:27] <choscura> programmerq, those are great, I've got one of my 3b's running on a 12->5dc stepdown with a battery pack from a car's USB charger thing
[20:27] <programmerq> nice
[20:27] <choscura> BHX, are you running arch or something?
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[20:28] <BHX> No, I'm currently running raspbian, why?
[20:28] <programmerq> This is small enough that I can tuck it inside my 3d printer enclosure and tap right off the 12v supply rail to the printer.
[20:28] <programmerq> I realized that my 12v supply wasn't as big as I thought it was though, so I'd have to get a bigger supply to make this happen.
[20:29] <choscura> arch is smaller and boots marginally faster, but no graphical OS
[20:29] <choscura> and, that's pretty cool programmerq
[20:29] <choscura> also the raspbian no graphical os version boots a bit faster
[20:29] <choscura> just less on the front end to load
[20:30] <BHX> Doesn't help too much, since I need to display a GUI ;)
[20:31] <choscura> well, then deal with the load time and have an LED indicator show that the thing really truly is on
[20:31] <choscura> the way old computers did it back in the day
[20:32] <choscura> it's not such an unassailable wait time
[20:32] <choscura> hell, how long does a phone take to boot?
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[20:33] <BHX> Unit the LCD comes on? 200ms ?
[20:33] <BHX> *Until
[20:33] <choscura> yeah, the power goes to the screen before that, doesn't it? it's a black screen, but it's on when the pi's on
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[20:34] <choscura> and, i've got a relatively new phone, it still takes about 10 seconds to boot to the point where I can enter passcode and get in
[20:34] <choscura> and the pi is not too far behind that mark
[20:34] <BHX> Yes, the product I'm working on can boot 20 seconds for all I care. The problem is the time before the screen displays ANYTHING
[20:34] <choscura> then make something else display a picture
[20:35] <choscura> get a trinket or something to do power management and have a splash screen show from there
[20:35] <A4L> Hello! I have Raspberry Pi Zero W and a Nokia 5110/3310 TFT LCD display. Now I want to show terminal inside this display. Please help!
[20:35] <choscura> A4L, is it accessible over network for you to send commands to?
[20:35] <A4L> ssh?
[20:35] <A4L> no
[20:36] <A4L> i cant open ports
[20:36] <choscura> oh
[20:36] <choscura> lol
[20:36] <A4L> can you give me links to instructions cuz i cant find anything
[20:36] <choscura> https://learn.adafruit.com/nokia-5110-3310-lcd-python-library
[20:36] <A4L> tnx will check
[20:36] <choscura> come on dude, you obviously didn't google this
[20:37] <choscura> and, you need to boot your pi in raspbian in GUI to open the SSH interface and probably the GPIO over network as well, since you're probably going to be accessing it that way
[20:38] <BHX> All I want to do is display an image as fast as possible, if I have to tinker with bootcode.bin, loader.bin or start.elf I'm okay with that, I just thought someone here has done something like this already and could give me some pointers. :)
[20:39] <choscura> BHX, in your shoes, I would get a separate device or use any kind of power management board with this capability, something like the arduino trinket or arduino pro boards would be easy places to start
[20:39] <tvm> you'll have to tinker with that, unless you want to go through the systemd hell and create a service that does that
[20:39] <BHX> I already did that, it takes to long for systemd to start
[20:39] <choscura> those are basically instant on and sophisticated/voltage tolerant enough to, eg, be the low powered 'switch' that turns the pi on and off
[20:40] <tvm> BHX, you have to know why it takes so long
[20:40] <tvm> DHCP ? whatever services timing out
[20:40] <BHX> It takes about 4 seconds from power on to the point where local-fs is available
[20:40] <tvm> yes, that sounds correct
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[20:41] <BHX> Yes, I know, that's my point, the system has access to the framebuffer and the SD card WAY earlier than that
[20:41] <tvm> your best best is not to wait for Linux kernel to kick in
[20:41] <choscura> that gpu thing I mentioned
[20:41] <tvm> however, i can't offer any solution
[20:41] <choscura> hang on, maybe I read about this somewhere
[20:41] <tvm> there's splash screen early in boot
[20:41] <BHX> choscura, yea, that would be exactly the solution I am hoping for :/
[20:42] <choscura> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=184043
[20:42] <A4L> <choscura> i want to do that; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldhWLv2DLx0&t=1s
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[20:43] <choscura> that guy posted his code: https://github.com/notro/fbtft
[20:44] <choscura> that was in the video description, lol
[20:44] <choscura> come on dude, don't make people google for you, start there and ask after
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[20:46] <choscura> https://imgur.com/L5Tqhc9
[20:47] <BHX> choscura, XD nice! :D
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[20:48] <BHX> The thread is not very helpful, which is sadly what could be said about almost all threads in the forum after diving deeper into things. They start of by saying the image is loaded from start.elf, but then they start taking about which linux configuration file to change in order to not display it...
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[20:49] <BHX> I'm gonna go search for the start.elf sourcecode I guess :/
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[20:50] <BHX> Oh crap... and a toolchain I guess... ... meh >_>
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[21:06] <BHX> Oh god, this will be a nightmare... okay choscura, how would I display the image using a trinket? Wouldn't that require me to access the screen and later switch the screen over to the RPI GPU?
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[21:24] <AppAraat> does anyone know if m2 / nvme SSDs are better suited for portable use? Particularly, are m2 / nvme connectors more suited for small USB connectors? As in, are there smaller adapters available to USB than the SATA counterpart?
[21:25] <Khaytsus> Why would you put a fast drive on USB.... heh
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[21:26] <AppAraat> it's not really about speed but size (and a bit about cost). I want to fit a 1TB storage container.
[21:27] <AppAraat> thought about USB sticks, but 1TB stick costs like 1k EUR :p
[21:28] <AppAraat> or even 450 EUR it's a bit too expensive
[21:28] <Khaytsus> m2 isn't really that small
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[21:29] <AppAraat> smaller than a 2.5" SSD though?
[21:29] <Khaytsus> Longer
[21:30] <Khaytsus> Offhand I don't see any usb devices that'll do m2, just normal ssd's (not 2.5, the 'stick' ssds)
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[21:30] <AppAraat> doesn't that usually differ? According to wiki you can have lengths of 16, 26, 30, 38, 42, 60, 80 and 110 mm
[21:30] <Khaytsus> Okay, I see some now.. googled badly
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[21:32] <Khaytsus> Praps. You'd have to do some cross-research
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[21:33] <Khaytsus> I doubt a 1tb m.2 drive is any cheaper than a usb thumb drive, although more useful imo
[21:33] <Khaytsus> Wait. I'm seeing 1tb usb thumb drives for like $20
[21:34] <AppAraat> uh wut
[21:34] <AppAraat> you have my attention
[21:34] <Khaytsus> All USB 2.0 though
[21:34] <AppAraat> that's totally fine
[21:35] <AppAraat> I'm going to use it primarily for music playback. At most I think a file will be 48k/24bit uncompressed PCM
[21:35] <Lartza> Khaytsus, Umm?
[21:35] <Khaytsus> hahahaahahahaha.. some of these are frauds.. 32G drive :D Geez amazon
[21:35] <Lartza> scam much?
[21:36] <AppAraat> can a man dream? :(
[21:36] <Lartza> even an 1tb usb 2.0 drive should cost hundreds
[21:36] <Khaytsus> Serioulsy wtf Amazon, why do they list these
[21:36] <Lartza> a 128gb usb 2.0 costs more than 20 dollars
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[21:38] <Khaytsus> Yeah this is pretty funny.. one of them says they are tested to capacity. Shows 128GB, specs say 128GB, listing says 1TB. Noice.
[21:39] <Khaytsus> All this shows how often I shop for thumb drives... ie: Never
[21:39] <AppAraat> perhaps for the better :p
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[21:46] <HeXiLeD> sorry
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[21:50] <Voop> AppAraat: what are all those things
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[21:50] <Voop> one is a pi zero one is a power bank
[21:50] <Voop> is the white thing an ipod?
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[22:14] <n0takn0t> Is thre any way to use the arudino language and libraries to programm the raspberryPI?
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[22:16] <Voop> n0takn0t: why would you want to do that
[22:17] <Voop> and no, im pretty sure there isnt
[22:17] <akk> I can understand it. There are a lot more examples available for arduino for various hardware.
[22:17] <Voop> you can install the ide on a pi and program an arduino on it
[22:17] <akk> I've often gotten something working first on arduino, then translated the arduino example to python for the pi.
[22:18] <n0takn0t> Voop, It doesn't necessarily have to be arduino but i have projects i have made on a arduino transfered to a PI
[22:19] <n0takn0t> Yea i tought of using python, but does python have the libraries?
[22:19] <Voop> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=134928
[22:19] <Voop> RasPiArduino on github
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[22:23] <n0takn0t> thanks
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[22:24] <choscura> n0takn0t, eh? you don't need to program the raspberry pi, and the GPIO stuff is limited to the pi's 5 volts, so it's for different applications
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[22:24] <choscura> but, you can program an arduino from a pi
[22:25] <choscura> what is this for, what are you doing?
[22:25] <choscura> pi motor control or something?
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[22:25] <Voop> yeah im having a hard time coming up with a use case
[22:26] <choscura> there's theoretically stuff it's useful for, having the pi specify the number of steps and the arduino do the pwm to control a motor and so on is a pretty standard thing
[22:27] <n0takn0t> choscura, I just want to transfer some arduino programs to the PI, but also things like using the arduino lcd display on the arduino
[22:27] <choscura> on the pi, possibly
[22:28] <choscura> and that's pretty standard GPIO stuff, and have you got a pi yet?
[22:28] <AppAraat> Voop: that creation is a Pi ZW connected to the Chord Mojo DAC and a 5000 MAh powerbank :p
[22:28] <akk> n0takn0t, most (not all) arduino programs can be translated into C or Python programs that use RPi libraries. But I don't know of any automated way.
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[22:28] <AppAraat> Voop: the white thing is the powerbank
[22:30] <akk> Assuming that (a) the device can work with 3.3V rather than 5 (or you have a level shifter) and (b) timing isn't critical.
[22:30] <n0takn0t> akk, I thought so since arduino is close to C, but was uncertain about things like the libraries
[22:30] <BHX> Isn't arduino plain c++?
[22:31] <akk> n0takn0t: If you're concerned about libraries, ask about the specific libraries. There are lots of libraries available for the Pi.
[22:31] <shauno> mostly. with a tonne of boilerplate to hide it. wiringPi probably gets you close though
[22:31] <akk> Arduino is C++ with a bunch of libraries.
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[22:33] <Voop> AppAraat: is that that super expensive dac
[22:34] <Voop> for playing flack
[22:34] <AppAraat> in the DAC world, this one is pretty cheap :p
[22:34] <AppAraat> but it sounds good for its price
[22:35] <Voop> mine was like $4
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[22:36] <Voop> AppAraat: what is your next step with this
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[22:36] <AppAraat> someone over at ##hardware suggested making a chain and hanging it on my neck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[22:37] <AppAraat> but finally I want to have a 1TB or bigger storage attached to it. I may have to 3D print a case for it
[22:38] <Voop> its going to be the size of a bread box
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[22:39] <AppAraat> lol yes
[22:39] <AppAraat> I'll try to make it longer instead of wider, but in the meantime I'm going to put it in an actual breadbox and put that breadbox in my backpack
[22:40] <Voop> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OK3MC6I/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:40] <Voop> thats my dac
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[22:41] <Voop> i also desoldered the usb port
[22:41] <Voop> and audio jack
[22:41] <AppAraat> how are you connecting it to your pi and headphones then? :S
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[22:42] <Voop> short wires
[22:43] <Voop> i dont like plugs
[22:43] <AppAraat> nice, I want to do something similar with connection to my DAC too. What size wires did you use?
[22:43] <Voop> let me check
[22:44] <Voop> 22awg solid core
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[22:45] <Voop> yeah to minimize space id take the enclosures off of all that stuff
[22:45] <Voop> at that size i dont think desoldering plugs is going to make a big difference
[22:46] <Voop> how much battery life do you want from this? there are way better options for power
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[22:54] <AppAraat> so it's been almost 7 hours that the Pi has been powered and the powerbank indicates 3/4 of power still left which is pretty impressive.
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[22:54] <AppAraat> then again, I'm considering also powering the DAC as well
[22:55] <AppAraat> in any case, in the final form it will require a USB hub (to power the SSD / m2 storage), so I might as well power the DAC as well
[22:56] <AppAraat> having more than 12 hours of juice would be nice
[22:56] <programmerq> I've been trying to figure out what my options are for a gsm gps device for a cross country move. Would be nice to see where our stuff is in near real time.
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[23:08] <tristero> programmerq: buy a cheap Android phone and use the "track my phone" function?
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[23:15] <Voop> theres a million options for gps tracker
[23:16] <AppAraat> lol my DAC just died
[23:16] <AppAraat> apparently almost 7 hours is the maximum for its battery
[23:16] <Voop> oh right the dac has an onboard battery
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[23:17] <Voop> do you know how many cells it is
[23:20] <erm3nda> AppAraat, how much mAh does have your powerbank?
[23:21] <erm3nda> 24h is a lot for a powerbank. I tried one of 520mAh with rpi 2b+ +hdmi and went off in less than 3h ...
[23:21] <erm3nda> 5200mAh
[23:23] <ShorTie> ya, 520mAh, it may not even turn on
[23:23] <AppAraat> Voop: doesn't say much about the battery - https://chordelectronics.co.uk/product/mojo/ - then I found this: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chord-mojo-dac-amp-%E2%98%86%E2%98%85%E2%96%BAfaq-in-3rd-post-%E2%97%84%E2%98%85%E2%98%86.784602/page-181#post-12030202
[23:24] <Voop> just open it up
[23:24] <AppAraat> :O
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[23:25] <Voop> also does it charge via usb?
[23:25] <AppAraat> erm3nda: but the Pi ZW consumes much less power, especially headless
[23:25] <AppAraat> yes
[23:26] <Voop> i guess you could power it off the 5v charger and keep the internal battery as a backup
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[23:26] <AppAraat> yeah that was more or less what I was going for
[23:27] <Voop> but if you run out of power the dac having power isnt going to matter really
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[23:27] <Voop> you could add an 18650 battery bay to your finished product
[23:28] <erm3nda> oh, zero :-)
[23:28] <Voop> and bypass the 5v charger on the dac
[23:28] <AppAraat> yeah if Pi loses power it's finito to audio :p
[23:29] <AppAraat> Voop: is it possible / easy to create a USB charger for a battery bank like that? Otherwise perhaps it's easier to just go for a powerbank
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[23:37] <Voop> AppAraat: if theres multiple cells, no
[23:37] <Voop> if the dac battery is single cell it would be easy
[23:37] <Voop> but i kinda doubt it is
[23:38] <Voop> you could just use the charging board from a powerbank
[23:38] <choscura> AppAraat, looking for but not seeing your battery thing? context looks like you have a pi0w running on a usb charge bank?
[23:38] <Voop> pi + dac + battery bank
[23:38] <choscura> lonk plox
[23:39] <AppAraat> yeah and I'm thinking of extending it in the future
[23:39] <AppAraat> just a mom
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[23:39] <AppAraat> https://s15.postimg.cc/65h32gvm3/IMG_20180605_162613.jpg
[23:40] <AppAraat> witness... the creation...
[23:41] <Voop> do you have a soldering iron and the requisite skills
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[23:43] <AppAraat> that's a pretty loaded question right there
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[23:43] <AppAraat> but... no, not really :p
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[23:51] <Voop> you can pretty easily do away with that micro to macro usb adapter
[23:52] <Voop> with 4 wires and a female usb plug
[23:52] <Voop> http://i67.tinypic.com/2i1gjuv.jpg
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