#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-06-10

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[0:19] <HtheB> he died
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[0:52] <choscura> argh, meatspace sucks
[0:53] <choscura> anyway, the cat/dev stuff didn't do diddly, I went into /var/log and looked at all the stuff but didn't see anything worth seeing that was obviously a culprit
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[1:03] <melissa666> Has anyone here had any luck getting Debian unstable (sid) running on a Raspberry Pi3 B+? Does the `raspi3-firmware` package from sid repo have everything I need in addition to basic Debian ARM image?
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[1:05] <melissa666> I'm not finding many resources online for install of sid on Pi3 B+ ... also, another question: I should be able to just use etcher to put debian ARM .iso onto a USB stick, and boot the Pi3 B+ from that right?
[1:10] <Blubberbub> i might be wrong, but i think raspberry only boots from sd
[1:11] <ebarch> in terms of the B+, you can boot via USB or network
[1:11] <ebarch> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
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[2:18] <melissa666> ebarch, thanks - I didn't realize I had to boot from SD first. Can I install Debian ARM on the SD card, or do I have to use Raspbian first?
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[2:22] <Khaytsus> Why do you need some bleeding edge thing so bad?
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[2:27] <mattwj2002> hey Khaytsus
[2:27] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:29] <Khaytsus> sup
[2:32] <mattwj2002> not much
[2:33] <mattwj2002> I got the twitch thing to work on my rpi3b+
[2:33] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:33] <mattwj2002> it will only stream at 640x480 but it works
[2:33] <mattwj2002> :)
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[3:18] <choscura> mattwj2002, cool!
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[3:43] <mattwj2002> choscura: i wonder if it would be legal to hook up a raspberry pi and stream HD radio with a still webcam
[3:43] <mattwj2002> :)
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[3:44] <mattwj2002> https://github.com/theori-io/nrsc5
[3:44] <mattwj2002> :D
[3:45] <mattwj2002> I just wonder if it is arm compatible
[3:45] <mattwj2002> hmmmmm
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[6:17] <mattwj2002> hi all
[6:17] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:18] * lopta waves
[6:18] <mattwj2002> hey lopta
[6:18] <mattwj2002> would you like to see something?
[6:19] <lopta> Is it in a matchbox?
[6:19] <mattwj2002> nope
[6:19] <mattwj2002> https://www.twitch.tv/mattwj2005
[6:19] <mattwj2002> I am using an SDR to broadcast local radio to Twitch!
[6:19] <mattwj2002> it is HD radio not analog
[6:19] <lopta> mattwj2002: Copyright?
[6:19] <mattwj2002> the antenna is in my living room
[6:19] <mattwj2002> probably
[6:20] <lopta> HD Radio is a North American thing, I think.
[6:20] <lopta> Is your Pi doing the decode? I thought the codec was proprietary.
[6:21] <mattwj2002> yes
[6:21] <mattwj2002> it is
[6:21] <mattwj2002> but someone broke it recently
[6:21] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:21] <lopta> DMCA would seem to apply then.
[6:22] <lopta> Something about "circumventing protection"
[6:22] <lopta> I prefer the Roy Orbison version of this song.
[6:23] <mattwj2002> but lopta this is unencrypted
[6:23] <mattwj2002> it is free over the air waves
[6:23] <lopta> Still, from a purely academic standpoint it's a neat achievement.
[6:23] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:24] <mattwj2002> thank you
[6:24] <mattwj2002> :D
[6:25] <lopta> What sort of data rate does HD Radio use on VHF?
[6:25] <mattwj2002> around 50 to 60 kb/sec
[6:25] <mattwj2002> I am going to kill the stream for a second
[6:25] <mattwj2002> on moment
[6:26] * lopta nods
[6:26] <lopta> Is there a separate mono payload or just stereo?
[6:27] <mattwj2002> it is just stereo
[6:28] <mattwj2002> lopta: I can share the source if you are interested
[6:28] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:28] <lopta> Interesting. I wonder what they do on AM.
[6:28] <lopta> (MW)
[6:28] <mattwj2002> MW ?
[6:28] <lopta> Medium Wave
[6:29] <lopta> (I'm from a country where what you call AM we used to call MW, at least for broadcast stuff)
[6:29] <mattwj2002> it is an SDR so I could do analog stuff too
[6:29] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:29] <mattwj2002> got ya
[6:29] <mattwj2002> ;)
[6:29] <mattwj2002> lopta: what country?
[6:30] <lopta> (the UK). We had AM (modulation) on long wave and medium wave for domestic broadcast radio.
[6:30] <lopta> ...and short wave for international stuff.
[6:30] * acalycine (~acalycine@wikipedia/Acalycine) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[6:30] <lopta> ...and FM on VHF.
[6:30] <mattwj2002> got ya :)
[6:30] <lopta> I miss Long Wave.
[6:31] <mattwj2002> why?
[6:31] <mattwj2002> I went to the UK back in January 2017
[6:31] <mattwj2002> interesting country
[6:31] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:32] <lopta> Is AM easier for the processor to decode than FM?
[6:33] <mattwj2002> honestly not sure :)
[6:33] <lopta> It would be interesting to look at CPU load in each case.
[6:33] <lopta> (for consistency, I'd probably just decode the FM mono subcarrier)
[6:33] <mattwj2002> lopta: would you like the source code?
[6:34] <lopta> mattwj2002: I don't have an SDR yet.
[6:34] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[6:34] <mattwj2002> I highly recommend them
[6:34] <mattwj2002> :)
[6:34] * lopta nods
[6:35] <lopta> I want one for WSPR and perhaps Olivia
[6:36] <mattwj2002> I am unsure what WSPR and Olivia is
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[6:37] <lopta> They are data modes used in the amateur radio service.
[6:37] <lopta> WSPR is for beacons and Olivia is a keyboard -> keyboard thing
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[6:38] <lopta> Radioteletype sort of thing.
[6:44] * lopta points in the general direction of ##hamradio
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[6:47] <mattwj2002> sounds good lopta
[6:47] <mattwj2002> :)
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[8:03] <choscura> mattwj2002, make it!
[8:08] <mattwj2002> hey choscura
[8:08] <mattwj2002> :)
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[8:08] <mattwj2002> analog is harder to get working than HD!
[8:09] <choscura> eh? isn't there some default analog parsing library?
[8:12] <genr8_> isnt AM easy ?
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[8:18] <genr8_> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx
[8:21] <genr8_> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx/blob/master/am/piam.c https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx/blob/master/fm/pifm.c
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[15:30] <fooman2011> Hello. I'm looking for a way to create simple gui directly on the framebuffer (without X11). Do you know a gui toolkit that's can do this ?
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[16:14] <Fulgen_> fooman2011. curses
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[16:59] <BCMM> curses is more "create a gui on the terminal" than "create a gui on the framebuffer"
[16:59] <Fulgen_> it can create a gui on the terminal framebuffer though
[17:00] <BCMM> oh, he's left anyway
[17:01] <BCMM> you may well have the right answer but it's gonna depend on what he meant by gui...
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[17:09] <SpeedEvil> And why.
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> The assumption that X is high resource usage in minimal cases may be completely flat wrong.
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> well, quite.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> and by the time you write your own GUI using e.g. SDL then you might as well use X to some extent.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> (says the man who wrote his own GUI in SDL)
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[18:15] <Blubberbub> i one uses ncurses wrong it might be more resource hungry than X.. i think
[18:15] <Blubberbub> but that basically applies to everything, so... :D
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> ncurses is text only - I have done "windowy" sort of stuff with it in the past, but it's a bit old fashioned.
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[19:13] <kuzeyron> What would you prefer these days gordonDrogon ?
[19:13] <kuzeyron> CLI style*
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I type therefore I am.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> basically I open xterms - many of them.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> so the underlying X is just a means to open xterms.
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[19:24] <kuzeyron> Aa oki
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> and if you want to know the rest, it's vi (vim) and makefiles ;-)
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> or BASIC.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> which has it's own nano-like editor built in.
[20:19] <shbrngdo> typists like certain kinds of editors [particularly when they don't get in the way]. any kind of autocomplete is usually viewed with contempt.
[20:20] <shbrngdo> the simpler ones, like nano, ee, vi(m), are relatively easy to master. I don't like vi much because it's quirky and I have to switch between insert mode and command mode [which can be more irritating than anything else].
[20:21] <shbrngdo> On FreeBSD, 'ee' is still working and supported as part of the 'base' for the OS distro. I'm pretty sure it's curses based (and probably nano, too)
[20:22] <shbrngdo> one thing you can do with 'ee' (or nano) that's extremely helpful is to make sure Makefile has hard tabs in it. Then you can set tabs to whatever you want in a GUI editor for the actual source
[20:22] <shbrngdo> which in my case, is _NO_ hard tabs, and 2 spaces per indent.
[20:23] * shbrngdo uses 'pluma' which, with the right extensions, no longer has the 'garbage at the end of the line' bug and highlights your code as well as any IDE would.
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[20:28] <baab> Yo everyone, is it a good idea to use a Raspberry Pi as a desktop computer in 2018 or not ? is the 3B+ model powerful enough for playing youtube videos, 1080p x265, running Freecad or blender ? what about some light gaming ? Is there any of you who uses one as his main PC ?
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[20:29] <Lartza> No
[20:29] <Lartza> You can use it as a main desktop but not with that usage
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[20:29] <Lartza> It can't do x265, blender works but won't be nice imho etc
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[20:31] <baab> ok thanks, do you think there can be an alternative small linux PC under 100€ ?
[20:31] <baab> well even 60€
[20:32] <baab> idk how much a RPI would cost exactly with a decent SD card + power supply
[20:32] <baab> 100€ would be with keyboard and mouse
[20:32] <Lartza> You wouldn't need a decent SD you'd need a good usb root
[20:32] <Lartza> And no, for that price I don't really think you can get anything
[20:32] <ebarch> baab: I'm in the US, but always have had great luck with picking up 2nd hand PCs. at least in the city I live in, it's easy to find quad core machines with 4GB of RAM and 500GB hard drive for $50-$100
[20:32] <larsks> I think you could probably find something *used* in that range that would be fine.
[20:33] <larsks> Hah, in other words, what ebarch said.
[20:33] <baab> what I liked about the RPI is the small size + no noise
[20:33] <ebarch> baab: that's why a lot of people like it too. but it doesn't fit your use case
[20:33] <baab> yeah ok thanks
[20:34] <ebarch> you could get a decent used linux PC, or a more expensive mini PC for sure, though
[20:34] <baab> I could also just get a dock for my thinkpad but I would have liked a second machine
[20:34] <Lartza> Even a silent PC, but it would cost indeed
[20:34] <Lartza> You can go fully passive nowadays without heavy usage
[20:36] <ebarch> they're certainly more expensive. but something like an Intel Compute Stick would get you closer to what you're after
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[20:37] <Lartza> There are powerful ARM boards too but they are at least a 100$ too
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[20:37] <ebarch> the longer you play the waiting game, the cheaper they get though =)
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[20:40] <baab> I suppose the RPI can't run Gnome
[20:41] <ebarch> baab: it can run MATE decently (based on Gnome 2)
[20:41] <baab> oh okay
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[20:42] <baab> do you think a RPI can atleast run Freecad ?
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> shbrngdo, the vim mode thing is best thought of as having no mode, but being command driven. so each command is terminated by either the ESC or the enter key and that's about it
[20:43] <ebarch> baab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZmO7c6UOQA
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[20:43] <larsks> I think you will ultimately be disappointed trying to run any sort of interactive GUI tools on a Pi.
[20:43] <larsks> Even a web browser feels slow.
[20:43] <baab> oh okay
[20:43] <larsks> It's great as a headless server for projects, though.
[20:44] <ebarch> yup. you can get a lot of stuff to run. the question is really usability
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[20:46] <shbrngdo> MATE would work ok on RPi but it's kinda 'piggy' with respect to size, memory compared to lxde or one of the other lighter GUIs
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I normally run xfce4 on a Pi - but mostly because I run that on my desktop & laptops.
[20:47] <shbrngdo> right, the lighter-weight desktops (particularly the 'box' clones) would be better suited anyway
[20:48] <shbrngdo> I can't remember what's different between xfce and lxde
[20:48] <shbrngdo> for me I just wan't something that doesn't force me into 2D FLATSO
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[20:50] <Lartza> shbrngdo, Everything
[20:50] <shbrngdo> now you're motivating me to install it someplace so I can compare them
[20:50] <Lartza> There's also lxqt now
[20:50] <Lartza> Merge of lxde and razor-qt devs, lxde is not abandoned
[20:50] <shbrngdo> a lightweight KDE ?
[20:50] <Lartza> no
[20:50] <Lartza> A lightweight QT DE
[20:51] <Lartza> pcmanfm etc have been ported to Qt from lxde
[20:51] <shbrngdo> makes sense, really
[20:51] <Lartza> Qt has a reputation of being heavy but it really isn't any heavier than GTK so yeah
[20:51] <shbrngdo> QT gets a lot of support and many people prefer it to gtk stuff
[20:52] <shbrngdo> I'm not really a gtk fan per se - I'll use 'whatever' as long as it works
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[20:52] <Lartza> KDE heavy reputation is true imo though :P
[20:52] <shbrngdo> right - and there seems to be a lot less "enforce the 2D FLATSO" from the Qt side
[20:52] <shbrngdo> gtk3 default themes end up looking odd, repulsively so
[20:53] <Lartza> Not 100% sure what you mean by that but, maybe?
[20:53] <Lartza> Most Qt looks bad by default imo
[20:53] <shbrngdo> 2D FLATSO = things like 'metro' on windows, flat-looking design, flat decorations, uber-thin window borders that are hard to re-size, etc.
[20:53] <Lartza> And I think the Oxygen icon set is horrible for instance
[20:53] <Lartza> I don't mind flat though :P
[20:54] <Lartza> Don't really care either way, both can look good
[20:54] <shbrngdo> more traditional desktops don't do that. fortunately
[20:54] <shbrngdo> the problem is that gtk3's theming doesn't work well in Mate sometimes. you end up wtih some ugly looking garbage
[20:55] <shbrngdo> so I use atril instead of evince because of that, as one example
[20:55] <Lartza> I've never used mate
[20:55] <Lartza> Cinnamon ftw
[20:55] <shbrngdo> cinnamon is pretty good, too. it's lighter weight than mate is
[20:55] <shbrngdo> at least as far as I can tell
[20:55] <shbrngdo> but you end up using applications that are all gtk2/gtk3/qt anyway
[20:56] <shbrngdo> not sure if cinnamon is ported to RPI or not...
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[20:58] <Lartza> Mate is ported to the RPi?
[20:59] <ebarch> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[20:59] <Lartza> That's... not a port of any sort?
[20:59] <ebarch> what do you mean by port? it's open source and can be compiled on ARM...
[20:59] <Lartza> Instal raspbian, apt-get install cinnamon/mate
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[21:00] <Lartza> *Install
[21:00] <Lartza> Right, so it just works, nothing to be ported
[21:00] <Lartza> That's part of why I asked really, what shbrngdo even means
[21:00] <ebarch> oh whoops. missed that part, hah
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[21:03] <shbrngdo> well compiling for RPi sometimes includes modifying the source aka 'porting' it. too many software authors make too many assumptions about too many things, which caused build problems, across hardware, POSIX platforms, even Linux flavors
[21:04] <shbrngdo> hard-coded paths are one of these things. assuming the existence of something *like* systemd is another.
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[21:06] <shbrngdo> but if you write pure C code and don't make these assumptions [looking things up using environment vars for example] making something compile on ARM is probably not going to have problems
[21:06] <shbrngdo> or similarly, any other POSIX system (like FreeBSD)
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[21:08] <shbrngdo> as for cinnamon, I wasn't sure if it was specific to a particular distro or not. Originally (as I understand it) it was Mint's thing. but yeah making it available across platforms and distros is a good thing.
[21:09] <shbrngdo> even Unity (*cough* *spit*) became a separate package, not tied to ubu
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[21:24] <linyos> baab: i've used a 2b since it came out as my main desktop. if you use a window manager like dwm and play youtube videos via omxplayer, you'll be fine
[21:25] <linyos> everything else can be done from the command line
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[22:54] <Encrypt> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pirl/the-ultimate-charger-for-power-users
[22:54] <Encrypt> That looks noce to power Pis
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