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IRC Log for 2018-07-03

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[0:18] <IanTLopp> I have my raspi connected via wire and I just went through raspi-config to connect it to wifi
[0:19] <IanTLopp> what command do I use to determine if the wireless connection is successful?
[0:20] <kerio> ifconfig
[0:20] <IanTLopp> ahh, thanks
[0:20] <IanTLopp> worked
[0:20] <kerio> or unplug the cable and see if internet works
[0:20] <kerio> i guess
[0:21] <IanTLopp> setting up wireless in wpa_thing.. (whatever it was called) didn't seem to work
[0:21] <IanTLopp> I had it setup before, I changed the ssid and password, so I modified the file on the sd card, and it never worked again
[0:21] <IanTLopp> so now I did it through raspi_config
[0:21] <IanTLopp> thanks :)
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[1:07] <Choscura> IanTLopp, just boot into raspbian and connect to the wifi in the gui
[1:07] <Choscura> oh, read the rest of it, you got, cool.
[1:08] <IanTLopp> thanks though Choscura!
[1:08] <Choscura> no worries.
[1:08] <IanTLopp> the problem with booting into raspbian like that, though is that I'm running this raspi entirely headless
[1:08] <IanTLopp> well, mostly
[1:08] <IanTLopp> it's got a tiny display on it, so HDMI doesn't work and the tiny display is useless for anything but touchui on octopi
[1:08] <HrdwrBoB> it worked for me
[1:08] <Choscura> well, the thing I've done is get a $7 dongle for vga->HDMI and that lets me use any $5 goodwill monitor to set stuff like this up
[1:08] <HrdwrBoB> setup wpa_supplicant.conf
[1:09] <HrdwrBoB> I also have a spare monitor if it comes to that
[1:10] <IanTLopp> HrdwrBoB, the thing is about wpa_supplicant. I'd already set it previously when the network was the default one that at&t gave me. When I added a better router, and new wireless, I had to change it over, but it wasn't working by just changing wpa_supplicant
[1:10] <IanTLopp> doing so in raspiconfig worked though
[1:12] <HrdwrBoB> I'm pretty sure that worked for me
[1:12] <HrdwrBoB> but I'm not 100% sure
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[1:15] <IanTLopp> there's probably some goofy temp file it was still reading from that I needed to clear out, but it's not a big deal
[1:15] <IanTLopp> I'm up and running now, so yay
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[1:25] <ayeyes> about to order a 7" 800x480 monitor from China. Will that work?
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[1:25] <viznan> work for rpi? if it's hdmi it should work
[1:26] <ayeyes> got hdmi yes. thanks :(
[1:26] <ayeyes> I mean :)
[1:26] <viznan> you are aware of the small displays that connect directly to the pi though right?
[1:26] <ayeyes> yes, but havent seen anyone on with a foot/stand
[1:27] <ayeyes> this one has for 39USD
[1:27] <viznan> may need to adjust overscan settings, not sure
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[1:28] <ayeyes> thanks. ordered now :)
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[4:29] <sinned6915> can someone help me walk through a circuit on instructables for wiring a fan?
[4:29] <sinned6915> its a temp controlled cooling fan via python script
[4:29] <sinned6915> http://www.instructables.com/id/Control-a-Cooling-Fan-on-a-Raspberry-Pi-3/
[4:31] <sinned6915> or if there is a better way to do it I am all ears
[4:34] <sinned6915> the schematic does look right to me. i am hopign someone can look it with me
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[4:46] <sinned6915> anyone?
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[5:08] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> I looked at it but beyond all the good cautions about not blowing up your Pi, I don't know if I'd run that code on that circuit. What concerns you about it?
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[5:16] <sinned6915> jmcgnh: it looks like it switches ground to control the fan
[5:17] <sinned6915> and why the extra resistor- dont the gpio pins have pull up/down resistors already?
[5:19] <sinned6915> and if i read the pin numbers properly, it looks like its taking gpio pin #22 to control the transistor and the other side of th efan is wired to GPIO pin #17, which I believe is 3.3V
[5:20] <sinned6915> isnt the fan 5v?
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[5:44] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> Well, the author said that they'd prefer to use an external resistor rather than rely on the internal ones.
[5:48] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> In the parts list, they said they were looking for a fan with 2.0-5.0V working range. So 3.3V would run the fan.
[5:48] <sinned6915> ok, the one i have is 5v.
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[5:49] <sinned6915> it still seems odd to switch the ground leg instead of the power
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[5:52] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> and, yes, the transistor is on the ground side of the fan circuit. The current through the transistor is the same whichever leg you put it on, but perhaps the author just liked the simplicity of putting the control on that side.
[5:53] <sinned6915> do you have any suggestions for an alternate method and code?
[5:53] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> Your fan might run fine at 3.3 as well, just a little slower and less noisy.
[5:54] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> Nope, I can just barely read these circuits. My first thought on reading this was "why not use PCM to govern the fan speed?" but that's a while 'nother project.
[5:55] <jmcgnh> Whoops: PWM
[5:57] <jmcgnh> sinned6915:--> To my ear, it would be a lot more pleasant to have the fan run or not run at all when the CPU is cool and for it to gently increase in speed as the CPU became hotter. Having the fan switch on and off like this project has it doing would sound annoying.
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[9:56] <putridp> Is there a 64 bit version of raspbian available?
[10:02] <brianx> putridp: no.
[10:02] <putridp> thanks
[10:02] <brianx> 64bit makes little sense on a 1gb machine.
[10:02] <putridp> indeed
[10:04] <jmcgnh> putridp:--> can we assume you've read this exchange: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=200608
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[10:06] <putridp> You can now, thank you for the link. I was mainly asking to ensure I wasn't accidentally getting mixed up
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[10:12] <ShorTie> there is a 64 bit, pi64, https://github.com/bamarni/pi64
[10:13] <brianx> of course that isn't what was asked. it's not raspbian.
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[10:15] <putridp> ShorTie: Thanks, good to know
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[10:35] <jsqkldhf> Hello
[10:35] <jsqkldhf> I'm looking since days for a 3 RCA (red, white, yellow) to jack TRRS 3.5mm for video
[10:35] <jsqkldhf> but usual cables don't seem to work :(
[10:35] <jsqkldhf> do you know where to find them? (i'm in europe)
[10:35] <Habbie> jsqkldhf, in what way are they failing?
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[10:39] <jsqkldhf> This: https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
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[10:40] <Habbie> jsqkldhf, so i guess you got one with Ground on the wrong bit?
[10:40] <jsqkldhf> yes
[10:40] <mfa298> lots of places should sell them, but there are several (at least three) standards one of which definetly isn't compatible, one video is on the red jack not yellow
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[10:40] <Habbie> jsqkldhf's URL has that nice table
[10:41] <jsqkldhf> and most manufacturers don't write which wiring they use :/
[10:41] <Habbie> i bought one that was specifically sold 'for use with pi'
[10:41] <Habbie> it had ground on the wrong bit ..
[10:41] <jsqkldhf> so I don't want to buy 10 such cables on ebay and hope one will work ;)
[10:41] <jsqkldhf> Habbie: oh really...
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[10:41] <jsqkldhf> why didn't RPi use the standard :/
[10:41] <Habbie> 'the standard'
[10:42] <mfa298> I'd probably go with a large online retailer for something like that and look for one that says it's suitable for the pi. At least then if it doesn't work there's a decent dispute process.
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[10:42] <jsqkldhf> Yean the one everyone has at home with old camcorder, etc.
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[10:42] <Habbie> 'old camcorder' should work according to the table
[10:42] <jsqkldhf> i'm about to buy that one: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Valueline-cable-av-a-connecteur-3-5-mm-male-vers-3x-rca-males-1-00-m-noir/401446903789?hash=item5d78199fed:g:p30AAOSwHUhaFdhw
[10:43] <jsqkldhf> but impossible to find the wiring, they don't answer to emails / phone calls :s
[10:43] <jsqkldhf> Habbie: where did you find your cable finally?
[10:43] <Habbie> jsqkldhf, i did not
[10:43] <Habbie> jsqkldhf, i bought a hdmi/vga-converter at the same time, and that works but not reliably; so i got a cheap second hand monitor with DVI-D and that works reliably
[10:44] <mfa298> jsqkldhf: not everyone has cables at home with the camcorder standard (which should work anyway)
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[10:44] <jsqkldhf> mfa298 you're right
[10:45] <jsqkldhf> Habbie: so a good cable is finally impossible to find ? :/
[10:45] <jsqkldhf> I mean a good cable for RPi
[10:45] <Habbie> jsqkldhf, i don't know; i simply stopped trying because i had two alternatives
[10:45] <jsqkldhf> hm ok
[10:45] <mfa298> jsqkldhf: look for one that specifically says it works for the Pi - there are lots out there and they ought to work (if not raise a complaint and get your money back)
[10:46] <Habbie> i did get money back on mine, fwiw
[10:46] <Habbie> had to make a video to prove it though
[10:46] <Habbie> but i was buying from aliexpress, not some local store where the legal questions are simpler
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[10:47] <mfa298> in EU local store should actually be really easy, the key phrase is along the lines of "not fit for purpose"
[10:47] <Habbie> uhuh
[10:47] <Habbie> in fact at least within NL i don't even have to go that far
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[10:48] <mfa298> yay for good consumer rights \o/
[10:49] <jsqkldhf> ok thanks :)
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[11:37] <wuzamarine> error: ./bitcoind 'command not found'. I downloaded the bitcoin wallet to my Pi (Arm32), and unziped it, cd into the its newly created /bin directory and ./bitcoind 'command not found'. the file is there and chmod +x bitcoind does not fix the issue. What did I miss/screw up?
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[11:38] <shiftplusone> wuzamarine: what does 'ldd bitcond' say?
[11:38] <shiftplusone> *bitcoind
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[11:42] <wuzamarine> shiftplusone: no a dynamic executable
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[11:43] <wuzamarine> let me try a different download
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[11:43] <shiftplusone> and 'file bitcoind' ?
[11:43] <Habbie> also try 'file bitcoind'
[11:43] <shiftplusone> I guess it's just a static ELF executable, but just in case.
[11:44] <Habbie> wuzamarine, also, what is the -literal- error? is it actually 'command not found' in lowercase?
[11:44] <wuzamarine> yes
[11:45] <Habbie> wuzamarine, can you try ./bitcoind help
[11:45] <Habbie> ?
[11:45] <wuzamarine> Habbie: command not found
[11:45] <Habbie> wuzamarine, can you show us your screen?
[11:47] <wuzamarine> one sec, just trying a redownload. I'll send the session
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[11:48] <wuzamarine> Habbie: the file I downloaded was screwed up
[11:48] <wuzamarine> Thank you!
[11:48] <Habbie> weird
[11:48] <Habbie> but glad it works now
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[13:10] <chris_99> Hi, has anyone managed to get the Pi 3 B+ to work with ad-hoc + wpa_supplicant, ad-hoc without wpa works fine
[13:11] <chris_99> with wpa i get iface validation failed: err=-16
[13:11] <chris_99> in the dmesg
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[13:46] <pwillard> My recollection of Ad-HOC and WPA is that they are mutually exclusive... so I'm not surprised.
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[13:49] <chris_99> nope it works on a PC with WPA
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[16:02] <hypercore> what can i do with a rapi?
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[16:20] <wigums> hypercore, stuff
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[16:22] <wigums> sigsts, !!!
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[16:33] <r3> what can't you do? ;)
[16:34] <wigums> things
[16:35] <wigums> sometimes things dont work. but stuff will work usually
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[17:10] <ShapeShifter499> Hi
[17:12] <ShapeShifter499> I have a spare Raspberry Pi 3B+ laying around. Is there any reason why I couldn't throw a up-to-date Android OS to use as a "smart tv" interface?
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[17:13] <Syliss> why android?
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Because Kodi is better. Because Android on the pi is unstable and because the only half-decent version is a limited trial.
[17:13] <Syliss> that too ^
[17:14] <shiftplusone> it won't work like you expect it to, but it's worth doing anyway so that you see it for yourself
[17:14] <ShapeShifter499> hmm
[17:14] <Syliss> and then get mad and install something like openelc
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[17:15] <ShapeShifter499> I want to get services like vrv, crunchyroll onto my tv.
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[17:15] <ShapeShifter499> My "smart tv" lacks a few much wanted services
[17:15] <Syliss> grab a roku
[17:15] <Syliss> call it good
[17:15] <shiftplusone> amazon fire stick is still a thing too, right?
[17:15] <Syliss> the pi isnt a catch all
[17:15] <Syliss> yes
[17:16] <Syliss> and you can mod them
[17:16] <ShapeShifter499> hmm
[17:17] <ShapeShifter499> I wish I could trade the Pi for a more suited video playback device
[17:17] <shiftplusone> Kodi devs seem to be trying to get more paid services on there. I think they had crunchyroll until recently. Nightlies have netflix support.
[17:17] <shiftplusone> no idea what vrv is though
[17:17] <hypercore> can you guys suggest some cool ideas i can use my pi for?
[17:18] <wigums> stuff
[17:18] <Habbie> things
[17:18] <wigums> or you can use it for things too
[17:18] <shiftplusone> hypercore: I don't mean to be rude, but this is exactly the kind of thing google can help you with. There's just way too much stuff... and things.
[17:18] <ShapeShifter499> My TV has Netflix and Hulu but no crunchyroll. The TV apps tend to crash time to time, hulu crashes far more than netflix. I'm worried the crashing is a sign of support being dropped for my tv
[17:19] <shiftplusone> hypercore: but common things people do at first are emulation and kodi boxes.
[17:20] <ShapeShifter499> shiftplusone: vrv is like a hulu or netflix but more anime oriented. $10 gives you what vrv has and lets you get premium crunchyroll
[17:20] <shiftplusone> ah
[17:21] <Syliss> yeah go with a roku, it will make you happy
[17:21] <Syliss> just grab a cheap one, nothing crazy
[17:21] <ShapeShifter499> so I'm guessing video playback is a PITA on the Pi?
[17:22] <shiftplusone> not at all
[17:22] <chris_99> i just ssh to mine and use omxplayer
[17:22] <shiftplusone> kodi works great. It gets painful when you start trying to use proprietary services
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[17:24] <shiftplusone> But if it's local media or a DRM-free stream, and you're not trying to play it in a browser or something, there are no problems that I've seen.
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[17:25] <ShapeShifter499> so it's not so much the playback that's the issue, it's support for the services I want that could be a problem
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[17:29] <Khaytsus> ShapeShifter499: Yeah I'd just get a hdmi stick.. "smart" tvs go dumb pretty fast
[17:29] <Khaytsus> My 2012 Sony smart TV (not android) they stoppped updating everything on and eventually Nutflix just stopped working. Had to get an hdmi stick for it..
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[17:30] <shiftplusone> as an alternative idea, I got a steam link when they were practically giving them away and it works great for streaming from my PC to the TV
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[17:31] <Khaytsus> Firestick worked fine for me on it.. I owuldn't get any of the "Android tv" hdmi things from amazon/ebay.. most of them are just junk
[17:33] <ShapeShifter499> since I'm biased to Arch Linux, I'm going to slap a install of Arch Linux ARM with kodi and see how far I get with that. Then I'll crawl over to getting a 'stick' of some sort for playback if I can't get anything working
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[17:34] <shiftplusone> I'd recommend using a distro designed specifically for kodi, like LibreELEC
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[17:34] <shiftplusone> since they apply all the extra patches that Arch is unlikely to have.
[17:34] <Khaytsus> ShapeShifter499: for me... watching tv I just want it to work
[17:34] <Khaytsus> I don't wnat a project or to fix it.. I just want it to work.
[17:35] <Khaytsus> I have other hobbies for 'playing' with stuff ;)
[17:35] <ShapeShifter499> mhm fair enough
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[17:38] <ShapeShifter499> shiftplusone: I'll keep that in mind
[17:39] <ShapeShifter499> Thank you for the help guys
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[17:39] <ShapeShifter499> Khaytsus: I forget, can you still get google play on a fire stick?
[17:39] <ShapeShifter499> I could have sworn there was some sort of sideloading trick
[17:42] <Khaytsus> I'm sure there has been, no idea about currently. I don't have a firestick offhand now, left it in the Sony TV when we gave it to the mother in law
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[17:43] <Khaytsus> Which, funny enough, had us confused for the longest time.. Nutflix kept saying we were streaming on too many devices, we need to upgrade. I was like no, we aren't! Then I was like WAIT the firestick was all set up; so they were streaming nutflix at the same time.
[17:44] <ShapeShifter499> lol
[17:44] <Khaytsus> We just upgraded anyway.. I think the max was 2 and sometimes the 3 in the house were wanting it so..
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[17:45] <Khaytsus> There was a story recently about people using other peoples netflix accounts.. Many of them were "someone set it up for me" etc.. but a lot of them were "using the ex's account" haha
[17:45] <Syliss> i use a coworkers account
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[17:46] <Khaytsus> Ugh that reminds me of the time my wifes old workplace asked if I could help them add a new laptop to their wifi... Turned out they paid some guy to set up their lan which basically involved running ethernet all over the place in terrible ways and a cheap $50 wifi/AP. Great.
[17:47] <Khaytsus> And he charged them $500 for it. And every time they need to "modify" the network he has to come out and do it, at $50 a visit. So add a laptop? $50.
[17:47] <Syliss> ew
[17:47] <Khaytsus> I was like you guys are nuts
[17:47] <Khaytsus> I reset the AP, fixed the wifi passwords on the existing devices. Done. Here's your password. Have at it.
[17:47] <Syliss> if they dont have in house tech support that happens
[17:47] <Syliss> and thats cheaper than most contracted places
[17:48] <Khaytsus> I guess.. I get it, if nobody has any technical skills of that sort they might not be able just DIY. But what a bad ideal.
[17:48] <Khaytsus> bad deal
[17:48] <Syliss> i work for a wisp and a few of our biz csts have a local consulting firm and they charge an arm and a leg or more
[17:48] <Syliss> its a very bad deal
[17:48] <Syliss> but its cheaper than having someone on payroll
[17:49] <Khaytsus> Sometimes paying for a service is getting reliable use of the service and quick response times if something is wrong. Neither were true in this case. The single AP barely made it through the quite-long concrete walled building. They could only go about halfway through the building before wifi stopped working.
[17:49] <Khaytsus> And wound up paying like $700 to him total before they finally asked me
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[17:50] <Khaytsus> I'm like guys I could have done this for $100 and it would have been just as shoddy
[17:50] <Khaytsus> the joke wasn't well received
[17:50] <Syliss> lol
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[17:51] <Khaytsus> The 3 ethernet runs he made to the 3 office PCs was literally just sticked around the door frames and such.
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[17:51] <Khaytsus> ie: Any idiot could do that. It worked. Ugly, and probably eventually fail (since they were routed under where the door closes.... if the cable moves, squish
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[17:55] <Syliss> ew
[17:56] <Syliss> yeah i was telling my in laws to run a drop cable thru the attic since their wifi is meh in the house
[17:57] <Syliss> speaking of, i should get another 25ft cable from work so i can move my router to a different spot
[17:57] <Khaytsus> Yeah I soooo need to wire my house. I have WAY TOO much on wifi. So I have 3 AP's, I was like.. maybe I can just segment things. TVs on channel 146, phones etc on channel 36, some wifi cameras on channel 1, some on channel 11.
[17:57] <Khaytsus> And still everything in the house is wonky... cameras come on/offline all the time, tv's buffer.
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[17:59] <Khaytsus> I kept saying I was going to do that this spring when it was warm in the attic but not hot. Now there's no way I'd do it; the attic is a boiler
[18:02] <Khaytsus> Doesn't help that when I researched buying two TVs a few years ago I found the ones I wanted, had wifi, ethernet, good reviews, roku 3 built in for price of non-smart TVs. Turns out the best buy specific SKU has NO ethernet.
[18:02] <Khaytsus> meh.
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[18:07] <ShapeShifter499> Khaytsus: have you tried different multiple routers different AP names?
[18:08] <Khaytsus> ShapeShifter499: Yeah, 3 routers. Two of them are dual band. So they're segmented across 2ghz and 5ghz across the routers. So there's no significant load on any one router and none on any specific band/channel
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[18:09] <Khaytsus> At least that's how I see it; I could be wrong... Maybe having 3 routers a few feet from each other is a bad idea. Maybe they are overloading each other and interfering with one another.
[18:09] <Khaytsus> I dunno why that just occurs to me now.. if I have two HTs next to each other, transmitting on one wipes out the receive on the other.
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[18:09] <Syliss> if there are less than 5 feet from each other, thats bad
[18:10] <ShapeShifter499> I had issues when my routers were on the same channel. I also had issues when I had the same SSID on both the 5GHz and 2.4GHz bands
[18:10] <Khaytsus> Yeah, they are on top of each other... that might be the issue. I'm not sure how to fix it though, only one place I can really put 'em
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[18:10] <Syliss> what brand?
[18:10] <Khaytsus> ShapeShifter499: one of the routers is too stupid to be able to set a different ssid on 2/5 but I only use it on my TVs
[18:10] <Syliss> and why are they on top of each other
[18:11] <Khaytsus> I have a bookshelf near the computer desk. That's the only sane place I have right now to put 'em.
[18:11] <Khaytsus> Not literally on top each other.. within a foot of each other. Yeah that has to be it.. dang... I'll see what I can figur eout
[18:11] <ShapeShifter499> Khaytsus: try setting different bands
[18:11] <ShapeShifter499> er I mean channels
[18:12] <Syliss> what brand Khaytsus ?
[18:12] <ShapeShifter499> AP1: 1 AP2: 3 or 4 AP3: 6 or 7 etc.
[18:12] <Syliss> 1 6 and 11 only
[18:12] <Syliss> dont over lap
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[18:12] <Khaytsus> Syliss: One is an old Crapple router my dad had, dunno which... one is an Archer C7, one is a Buffalo WZR600.
[18:13] <Khaytsus> Let me grab this text I was typing up trying to make ure things are spread out... sec.. but prety sure it's because the APs are so close to each other
[18:13] <Syliss> same with 5.1 and 5.8, be at least 4 channels away
[18:13] <ShapeShifter499> Syliss: what if you have more than 3 routers?
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[18:14] <Syliss> move them far enough away, or make sure they are same brand and can handle handing off
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[18:17] <Khaytsus> Yeah I'm pretty sure it's just their physical proximity. I'll see what I can do to move them around
[18:18] <Syliss> can you mount any on the wall?
[18:18] <Syliss> also make sure the channels are hardset and not auto
[18:18] <Syliss> that will screw you hard if not
[18:18] <Khaytsus> Yeah, none are auto
[18:19] <Syliss> good
[18:19] <Khaytsus> They're all on different bands and frequencies.. I've made sure of that long ago
[18:19] <Khaytsus> one 2ghz is on 1, one 2ghz is on 11.. one 5ghz is on 36, one 5ghz is on 146 or wahtever it is up there
[18:20] <Khaytsus> but them just being within a foot of each other is likey just wiping out their receiving
[18:20] <Khaytsus> I really need to deprecate one of them... just haven't gotten around to it
[18:20] <Syliss> lol
[18:21] <Khaytsus> I need to dig my switch out of a box.. last I decided to do it I realized I didn't have enough ethernet ports..
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[18:22] <Syliss> yeah i was just thinking about that, i have a 1gig netgear switch, i may see about getting a mikrotik switch too
[18:24] <Khaytsus> Family is out of town for the next day or so, I should probably do this while they're out. Apparently taking the network down while they're watching youtube is bad.
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[18:28] <Khaytsus> I sadly have so much that still only uses 2ghz.... three security cameras and two pi zero w's
[18:29] <Khaytsus> However the cameras I should wire.. just wiring them will be a serious pain for two of them
[18:30] <Syliss> lol luckily its just 3 of us in my house and my daughter is only 5 so she doesnt watch youtube much
[18:30] <Khaytsus> Yeah, mine is 13.. and that's all she watches
[18:31] <Syliss> and if the internet goes down my wife just switches to her data on iphone
[18:31] <Syliss> mine likes netflix and amazon
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[18:33] <Khaytsus> For giggles I think I'm going to do this.. migrate the ethernet over to the new router (Archer c7), turn off the old router (Buffalo 600) and the Crapple router and set everything to use the Archer. That way there's one router. But then I probably will run into more wifi domain collisions.
[18:33] <Syliss> big or small airport router?
[18:34] <Khaytsus> The stupid crapple router can't be used for anything except dumb appliances... it doesn't let anything through to the clients, so if I Put a camera on it I can't reach it anymore. Dumb.
[18:34] <Khaytsus> Small, flat one... No idea waht model.
[18:34] <Syliss> 2 or 4 eth ports?
[18:34] <Syliss> i personally use apple routers, never had issues
[18:34] <Khaytsus> Actually not even sure about that; I just threw it up there once to see if splitting off the TVs onto a separate 5ghz router would help
[18:35] <Khaytsus> It works fine for the TVs. But I can't reach anything on any client on its wifi network.
[18:35] <Khaytsus> Not my phones, not the cameras, not my pi's
[18:35] <Khaytsus> It's all firewalled or client isolated.. not sure which
[18:35] <Syliss> odd
[18:35] <Syliss> prolly not set right then
[18:36] <Khaytsus> There's zero settings for the thing.. just that stupid app that lets you set _very_ basic stuff.
[18:36] <Syliss> i have no problems getting into my pi from my phone or mbp
[18:36] <Syliss> there are a ton of settings you just actually have to get to them
[18:36] <Syliss> but it is semi basic
[18:37] <Syliss> but fast af
[18:37] <Syliss> but i have the ac version
[18:37] <Khaytsus> Maybe they're not in the windows program, but I've dug in it. Unless something is really hidden.... nothing there besides _global_ ssid, 2ghz specific settings, 5ghz specific settings, and... like printer set up or something dumb
[18:37] <Khaytsus> I had the big tall one too, behaved the same.. flipped it on ebay
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[18:39] <Khaytsus> I am heading out for lunch. but yeah I think I'll do that; put everything on the Archer and turn off the other two. that'll avoid interference. But will it increase wifi collisions ;)
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[18:39] <Khaytsus> bbl, thanks for pointing that out, I dunno what that wasn't obvious (routers too close)
[18:41] <Syliss> how many devices connect wifi, 50 is max
[18:41] <Syliss> 10-15 should be fine with 2.4/5
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[19:18] <Toerkeium> hello guys, I've a raspberry pi working with raspbian, and I want to install the raspbx image. Can I just download the image and change to the new image? I'm remotely connected to the raspberry pi
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[19:23] <brianx> Toerkeium: remote as in no physical access to the pi? if that's the case, it is not easy to switch os remotely. you can't just overwrite the sdcard because it's in use and things are running from it all the time. not impossible but not as straightforward as downloading an image file to the device, dding it to sdcard, and typing reboot.
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[19:26] <Toerkeium> brianx: yes, I can take the sd card out of it, but I have no video display for the pi
[19:27] <brianx> so, "no" to my question.
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[19:29] <brianx> how much setup a new headless pi os needs before it runs varies with the os. i'm not a raspbx user so will have to let someone else answer.
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[19:29] <Khaytsus> Toerkeium: what I've done is set up an sdcard in the _same_ model of device then swap the sdcard, rather than mess with the existing 'installed' one
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[19:31] <Toerkeium> Khaytsus: can I flash the raspbx image and change the networking setup within the sd card? so I can plug the sd card and book the rpi?
[19:31] <Encrypt> Toerkeium, Why Raspbx and not a direct install of Asterisk?
[19:31] <wonderer> hi all
[19:31] <Toerkeium> Encrypt: I do use their interface
[19:31] <Encrypt> Mokay...
[19:31] <wonderer> have tried a few guides to get rpi backed upto my nas with setting ssh between the 2
[19:32] <Khaytsus> Toerkeium: You can do some stuff for networking in the boot files, but... dunno
[19:32] <wonderer> but not having any joysin getting a shared shh trust with the rpi and nas
[19:32] <Encrypt> Toerkeium, Learning to configure Asterisk directly from config files would be a good added value
[19:33] <Encrypt> And that will be a far lighter setup
[19:34] <Toerkeium> Encrypt: I know, but for now I need to get ride of a regular PC running freepbx, so first I'll need to install raspbx, "migrate" the setup and once, I can do a clean install of asterisk, it's not a bad idea
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[19:44] <takane2> I have a pi 3 I am running stretch on and I have multiple serial devices hooked up to it. It seems to occasionally have a CPU use spike and then hang and nothing useful ends up being logged. Anyway I can diagnose this better? It doesn't just happen when I do this, but I can always make it hang by disconnecting the simcom 5360a based modem.
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[19:49] <chris_99> if you have ethernet plugged in you can get some kernel logs via netconsole
[19:49] <chris_99> it doesn't always work though from my experience
[19:50] <chris_99> or i think you can get some info via the serial pins too
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[19:56] <takane2> I'll take a look at those options. Thanks.
[19:57] <BurtyB> how many is multiple?
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[19:59] <takane2> 3 physical devices, but they create a total of 6 ttyUSB devices, plus a qmi device.
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[20:05] <chris_99> wait sorry did you mean kernel hang
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[20:08] <takane2> yeah, I have to cut the power to get it going again.
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[20:10] <chris_99> yeah so what i meant is if you plug the Pi via ethernet into another PC
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[20:11] <chris_99> you can sometimes see kernel output via ethernet
[20:11] <chris_99> using the netconsole kernel module
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[20:12] <chris_99> oh nvm seems it must have been my laptop i'd tried that with - https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1877 says it doesn't work on the pi
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[20:14] <takane2> Well, It just survived have the modem disconnected and reconnected for the first time ever.
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[20:23] <jaspercayne> looking for a little help with firewalls. I do know what I am doing (for the most part) but I am totally stumped here. I installed PiVPN and it worked great for a couple days. Now I keep getting timeouts when trying to connect. I tried changing the port the server was listening on in case my ISP randomly blocked it after I had started running the server and had no luck. Modem has my Pi in the DMZ and I can use a port scanner to
[20:23] <jaspercayne> see that I can access most of the servers running on the Pi remotely, but I despite setting the rules using UFW, I cannot seem to get any access at all on "high ports" (10k+)
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[20:24] <takane2> https://pastebin.com/jKBXJdjY that's my dmesg after disconnecting the modem
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[20:26] <jaspercayne> I just tried checking another high port that is in use by another listener and I can actually see it, so it seems like openVPN is simply not respecting the port at all. netstat -lp | grep <PORTNUM> defintely shows the service is listening, but I cannot see it at all. Anyone willing to help?
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[20:41] <cyanide> is there an eagle library for the rpi that has only the 4 drill holes with the rpi boundaries silkscreened?
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[20:41] <cyanide> i dont want the gpio pins
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[20:42] <cyanide> i just want to mount the pi on a pcb and use a 40pin cable to connect to my pcb
[20:43] <cyanide> i have used one in the past, but i cant find it for the life of me. it was from element14. but the current one has the gpio pins too.
[20:44] <kerio> cyanide: wouldn't that be just a rectangle with 4 circles?
[20:44] <cyanide> indeed. but this had some other rpi stuff/text silkscreened.
[20:45] <cyanide> i can and probably will just make 4 drill holes on the pcb directly but was trying my luck in case someone had the library
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[20:45] <cyanide> the holes are basically 2.75mm and 58mmx49mm apart
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[21:13] <jaspercayne> I managed to get it running again myself. Can anyone suggest a good room for any future networking issues? I know most people are scared of dealing with networking and I'm sick of never getting any answers anytime I have a network-related question.
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[21:20] <jaspercayne> 650+ users and never any answers... This is exactly why I left IRC in the first place years ago
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[21:23] <Khaytsus> :Cry:
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[21:23] <Khaytsus> Maybe he found a channel related to his question.. certainly wasn't about a pi
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[21:25] <d0rm0us3> Decided to come back eh?
[21:25] <Khaytsus> maybe he didnt' rage quit hard enough
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[21:25] * d0rm0us3 chuckles
[21:25] <Khaytsus> Or maybe he came back to appologize and say he found #openvpn
[21:25] <Khaytsus> Or.. ha.. #pivpn is a thing too
[21:26] <d0rm0us3> so is google ;)
[21:26] <d0rm0us3> Does #spoonfed still exist?
[21:27] <wonderer> have tried a few guides to get rpi backed upto my nas with setting ssh between the 2
[21:27] <wonderer> but not having any joy in getting a shared shh trust with the rpi and nas
[21:27] <Khaytsus> wonderer: ssh-copy-id ?
[21:27] <Khaytsus> then use rsync?
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[21:28] <wonderer> ah thx
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[21:33] <EDinNY> Has anyone installed SABnzbplus?
[21:33] <EDinNY> It says the version is out of date
[21:34] <Lartza> Because it probably is
[21:34] <Lartza> Disable update checks and continue your life?
[21:34] <Lartza> It's 1.1.1 right?
[21:35] <EDinNY> checking...
[21:36] <Lartza> https://hub.docker.com/r/lsioarmhf/sabnzbd/ should get you a newer version
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[21:38] <Lartza> The nzbget official installer should also work on arm, just make sure to install to your user or some other sane folder
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[22:20] <GrandPa-G> what is the most current (and easiest) way to prevent strech intial install from expanding the file system automatically?
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[22:21] <markasoftware> debian stretch?
[22:21] <markasoftware> GrandPa-G
[22:21] <Lartza> raspbian
[22:21] <Lartza> debian stretch shouldn't expand :P
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[22:22] <GrandPa-G> raspbian stretch
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[22:22] <markasoftware> i have never used raspberry pi (why am I here?) but with desktop linux you just create the partition smaller than the full disk
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[22:23] <Encrypt> GrandPa-G, Why would you do that?
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[22:24] <GrandPa-G> Encrypt:because when I try to copy a saved image to a different 16gb sd card, many times it won't fit. 16sd card != 16sd card
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[22:24] <GrandPa-G> ^16gb sd
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[22:25] <Lartza> markasoftware, Then good effort on trying to help but you haven't been of any help so far unfortunately :)
[22:26] <Lartza> GrandPa-G, So either just copy the data or shrink the image afterwars or don't copy zeros to the image?
[22:26] <Lartza> *afterwards
[22:27] <GrandPa-G> I just want it to not do the expansion if the first place. It is a new feature of stretch (from what I read)
[22:28] <Lartza> I think you have to edit the cmdline.txt and disable and init.d script
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[22:30] <GrandPa-G> Lartza:I just found a google with something just like that. Am going to give it a try thanks
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[22:31] <ShorTie> keeping the file system from expanding will not fix 'many times it won't fit. 16sd card != 16sd card'
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[22:32] <ShorTie> the image is made of the sdcard, not some partition or such
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[22:43] <GrandPa-G> ShorTie:If I keep the filesystem under about 8gb then I know it will always fit on a 16gb sd card. When I copy the images I only copy active partitions, not entire sd card.
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[22:44] <lopta> GrandPa-G: Do you have to manually write a boot record after you copy that then?
[22:44] <lopta> Oh wait, it's a Pi, not a PC.
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[23:11] <Khaytsus> Syliss: SOB, works better than ever. Took both routers completely out of service leaving the Archer C7.
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[23:12] <Khaytsus> That was the plan when I got the thing but for some reason I swear it didn't work right.. hopefully I don't find out I had a good reason ;)
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[23:50] <Syliss> Khaytsus: good!
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[23:51] <ShapeShifter499> is there something that would allow me to chromecast but with the raspberry pi instead?
[23:51] <Choscura> uuuh yes
[23:51] <Choscura> but I need to google because I don't remember what it was called
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[23:52] <Choscura> here
[23:52] <Choscura> https://thepi.io/how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-as-a-chromecast-alternative/
[23:52] <squealingcode> Raspicast
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[23:52] <ShapeShifter499> that's making use of a app, not the native chromecasting feature?
[23:52] <squealingcode> yes
[23:53] <Choscura> that's an app on the pi side that uses the chromecast app on your phone if I read it correctly, but let me verify
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[23:53] <ShapeShifter499> I was hoping someone reversed engineered what made the chromecast work
[23:53] <squealingcode> You can cast e.g. YouTube videos, but I do believe you cannot use the ordinary cast button. You need to select Share and then select the Raspicast app.
[23:54] <Choscura> s***, you're right, my bad
[23:54] <shauno> I'm totally not clear whether you're looking for a source or a sink (eg, casting to the pi, or casting from)
[23:54] <Choscura> to the pi
[23:54] <Choscura> from phone
[23:54] <Choscura> or whatever other device
[23:54] <Choscura> I do know airplay works as part of kodi
[23:54] <shauno> gotcha ('with' just left it ambiguous for me, so I had to ask)
[23:54] <Choscura> I have not been able to verify the screencasting portion of that works
[23:55] <ShapeShifter499> any app or video on my android device that has a "chromecast" feature, I'd like to make work with a raspberry pi
[23:56] <squealingcode> I believe that is not possible, as the GoogleCast protocol - which Chromecast uses - is not publicly disclosed.
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[23:56] <Choscura> well, I'm not seeing that possibility
[23:56] <Choscura> squealingcode nails it
[23:56] <Choscura> I don't know the specifics, but google's very proprietary.
[23:57] <Choscura> like, comes up with its own programming languages to program its own unique code in proprietary.
[23:57] <squealingcode> Your best bet for now is probably a combination of Raspicast and Kodi.
[23:58] <Choscura> or just, kodi and airplay instead of chromecast
[23:58] <Choscura> since it's basically what you want
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[23:59] <Choscura> and, you can airplay on your android stuff too, it's just not a native default that's pre-installed for you
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