#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-07-05

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[0:53] <kubast2_> artok I'm testing out the impact of avalible ram on compilation times so
[0:54] <kubast2_> On arm
[0:55] <kubast2_> Also wouldn't a kvm machine work better for this kinda stuff than virtualbox if you are going to virtualise buils env 🤔
[0:56] <artok> thing is, you just build on the virtualbox, and then copy the bins
[0:57] <artok> optimize all the builds on virtualbox, an enjoy the result
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[0:58] <kubast2_> I guess well I sorta wanted to test out the compile times on real rpi so
[0:58] <kubast2_> I might get some different more generic project I guess
[0:58] <kubast2_> That has less architectural differences to test out better vs x86
[1:00] <kubast2_> Well yeh cross compilation is a thing
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[1:04] <artok> well, the compile times on rpi are slowish
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[1:05] <artok> but the actual thing I'd try to avoid is to pollute ENVIRONMENT around binaries
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[1:41] <artok> ls -l
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[1:48] <rdk31> hi guys, I'm trying to set up g_multi USB gadget on RPi Zero W and I can't specify MAC addr nor can I write to the mass storage
[1:49] <rdk31> what I did was: 1. add dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=peripheral at the end of /boot/config.txt
[1:49] <rdk31> 2. add modules-load=dwc2,g_multi (in the same line as the rest) in /boot/cmdline.txt
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[1:50] <rdk31> and 3. created /etc/modprobe.d/g_multi.conf with "options g_multi file=/piusb.bin stall=0 host_addr=11:22:33:44:55:66 dev_addr=aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff" of course before I created /piusb.bin file
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[3:37] <Johnjay_> i have no idea what any of that means
[3:37] <Johnjay_> but hopefully someone else does
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[3:43] <swift110> hey
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[4:04] <larsks> rdk31: does it otherwise work (that is, does it create the usb network interface and allow you to communicate)?
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[4:08] <larsks> Johnjay_: the usb gadget stuff lets you turn your Pi into a USB "device", so it can act like a mass storage device or a usb network- or serial- device. if you're curious, http://irq5.io/2016/12/22/raspberry-pi-zero-as-multiple-usb-gadgets/
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[4:13] <Johnjay_> that sounds interesting and more coherent than what rdk said thanks
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[4:14] <brianx> it's kinda newish and changed a lot over the past couple years. best to look at things that are no more than a year or so old.
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[4:19] <larsks> brianx: yeah, I made sure to find a link referencing the newer configfs-based mechanisms.
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[4:20] <brianx> i haven't tried since stretch came out, but i wouldn't be surprised if there is something stretch specific to getting it to work these days.
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[6:01] <ali1234> you are not supposed to use g_multi any more, you are supposed to use libcomposite now
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[8:17] <Nizumzen> just need to figure out how to use GDB Server so I can use GDB for remote debugging
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[11:13] <kubast2> mfa298, yeah it took those 600MB maxx
[11:13] <kubast2> but itwas a single core compilation on x86
[11:13] <kubast2> so I can see how 1GB isn't even enough for 4 cores
[11:13] <kubast2> let alone 256MB lol
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[11:14] <kubast2> source code is easilly compressable not sure about the compilation process yet
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[11:27] <mfa298> it can depend a lot on what's being compiled and it's complexity. the compiler is trying to convert what you've written into something that will work on the processor (i.e. into bit strings that turn the right parts of the processor on to do the correct instruction). It's also potentially trying to optimise that in some way (depending on compiler flags)
[11:28] <kubast2> I guess I'm doing llvm-svn rn on my x86 machien so
[11:28] <mfa298> that process potentially involves the compiler modelling your code in some other form in the middle which might take more ram depending on complexity
[11:28] <kubast2> +btrfs defrag for compression
[11:28] <kubast2> I see
[11:29] <kubast2> Well I figured that using https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3.git will be a nice test
[11:29] <kubast2> instead of a kernel
[11:29] <kubast2> should be a lot faster
[11:30] <kubast2> I'm not balsy enough to check ram usage on my rpi 1 tho lol
[11:30] <ShorTie> try gcc
[11:30] <kubast2> it will core dump for sure
[11:30] <kubast2> gcc compilation? ShorTie how long would it take for rpi 1?
[11:30] <kubast2> to compile gcc
[11:31] <ShorTie> depends on version
[11:31] <kubast2> I will check what version I can find in my source repo
[11:31] <kubast2> in sec
[11:31] <ShorTie> can take a couple hours for a stage 2 build with bootstrapping
[11:32] <kubast2> I think I will do it a different way
[11:32] <kubast2> kill make process at 45 minutes of real time
[11:33] <kubast2> and like compare the make output to see how much further it went
[11:33] <kubast2> It takes way too long even to compile quake3/linux kernel on rpi1 so I just give up and will do that
[11:33] <kubast2> also I think I'm gonna put an overclock
[11:33] <kubast2> got a new sdcard and boy it's speedy asf
[11:34] <kubast2> it was the cheapest I could find from kingstone too
[11:34] <kubast2> 16GB but at a price of an 8gig
[11:34] <kubast2> works a lot better than any sandisk and samsung sdcard I ever gotten
[11:35] <kubast2> like those EVO+ and ULTRA cards ,and a generic Kingston that I stayed away from since ssd Vsomething fiasco works best 0.o
[11:38] <kubast2> You are in emergency mode :think:
[11:39] <kubast2> yeah I always did 950/500/450 not 1000/600/500
[11:40] <kubast2> no wonder it went emergency mode even with over volt 6 on sdram and core
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[12:32] <kubast2> mfa298, I will have to measure a full time of compilation
[12:33] <kubast2> I did 256MB and it managed to compile more files than 512MB
[12:33] <kubast2> *512MB-16
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[13:28] <luneff> hey guys! any hints on how to overcome vc4 cma errors with Raspberry Pi 3? I got this in the logs https://pastebin.com/NXQ0GDrq and everything is bad after that. Boot logs say this https://pastebin.com/GX4HL9mJ . The kernel is 4.9.50
[13:31] <ShorTie> might try upgrading kernel/system
[13:32] <luneff> yes, thinking about that already... I hope it won't be that hard with automotive grade linux that I have :-)
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[13:46] <ShorTie> i'd grab another sdcard and start there
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[13:49] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[13:49] <HrdwrBoB> I have SD cards all over the palce
[13:49] <ShorTie> lol, me 2
[13:51] <HrdwrBoB> I have .. er. 7? 8?
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[13:52] <HrdwrBoB> not sure I can remember them all
[13:52] <HrdwrBoB> in various devices
[13:53] * ShorTie Thinkz, 25-30 here
[13:53] <ShorTie> if you count the full size 1's
[13:54] <erm3nda> i have 3 but i want 8 or more :-(
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[14:45] <luneff> still "vc4-drm soc:gpu: failed to allocate buffer with size" for me :-(
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[14:49] <shiftplusone> luneff: you're better off reporting the issue somewhere where anholt would see it.
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[14:50] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/anholt/linux/issues/135
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[17:29] <BurtyB> woohoo new kernel, I can reboot!
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[17:50] <shiftplusone> yay
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> that was an annoying bug
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[18:01] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, yeah - it was also the last thing on my "the 3b+ doesn't work for me because" list - well other that killing the unobtainium pmic ;)
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[19:29] <RoyK> hi all. Kernel is spamming with 'Under-voltage detected! (0x00050005)', which may as well be correct. I just wonder if the value measured here is available somewhere in /sys or similar. Any idea?
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[19:31] <Lartza> RoyK, No
[19:31] <Lartza> It's a chip that triggers, and you should fix your power situation
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[19:38] <RoyK> Lartza: I know I should - that wasn't the question ;)
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[19:39] <Lartza> Just saying that you are pretty much waiting for your RPi to corrupt any given moment
[19:39] <RoyK> probably a bad cable - I have another… the psu should be good
[19:42] <Khaytsus> I had so much trouble with my pi's until I got recommended power supplies. Reboots, lockups. Not a single issue since I got some of the power supplies that one of the suppliers sells
[19:42] <Khaytsus> I was using cellphone chargers. Which put out plenty of power, but I suspect the power quality wasn't good.. they don't really need to be for a cellphone I suppose.
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[19:43] <Lartza> Chargers != power supplies
[19:43] <Habbie> Khaytsus, your phone, when charging, does not care about voltage drops
[19:43] <Habbie> Khaytsus, the pi does
[19:43] <Khaytsus> Habbie: yep
[19:44] <Habbie> i've gotten lucky with cell phone chargers
[19:44] <Khaytsus> Pi has _zero_ power filtering or buffering
[19:44] <Habbie> but i always knew what i was getting into
[19:44] <Khaytsus> Cell phone chargers work. In fact at my desk or whatever, never had a single issue
[19:44] <Khaytsus> But I have 3 pi's that run 24/7/365 and that's when I'd see it.. random lockups or reboots
[19:44] <Habbie> what model pi?
[19:44] <Khaytsus> *
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[19:44] <Habbie> oh
[19:45] <Habbie> fun story, i have a pi2 fully stable on a 15 year old cell phone charger
[19:45] <Khaytsus> 1's, 2's, 3's, zw's etc
[19:45] <Habbie> and a pi3 complaining on the official supply
[19:45] <Lartza> And my pi2 failed on a nexus 7 charger
[19:45] <Habbie> but, i got the pi3 cheap from somebody that thought he fried a few parts i did not care about
[19:45] <Habbie> that turned out not to be true but abuse was clearly had
[19:45] <Habbie> so who knows
[19:46] <Khaytsus> I have a bunch of old cellphone chargers around. All decent ones, and again, works fine for a quick thing. but to run 24 hours a day, not so much
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[19:46] <Khaytsus> I used to never see more than a week uptime on one of my pi's, and randomly would find it offline (hung). now last I looked it was up 200 days before we had a power outage
[19:47] <Habbie> and 'now' is with an official supply?
[19:47] <Khaytsus> Yeah
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[19:48] <Khaytsus> I was like, why pay $9 for a USB power supply.. I have a dozen of those
[19:48] <Khaytsus> ;0
[19:48] <Habbie> 'yes'
[19:48] <Habbie> this reminds me of another funny thing
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[19:48] <Habbie> you know those 'classic mini' consoles that Nintendo has been selling recently
[19:48] <Habbie> they want usb power, like the pi, and do not come with a supply
[19:49] <Habbie> they are more forgiving but not completely so
[19:49] <Habbie> now there's also a sega 'classic' console, which takes 5V over a round plug and includes a supply
[19:49] <Habbie> reviewers consistently say that's a mistake compared to nintendo
[19:49] <Habbie> but here on #raspberrypi we know better!
[19:50] <Lartza> Then again the sega classic sucks... :P
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[19:50] <Habbie> i get why the reviewers say that
[19:50] <Habbie> i don't even disagree
[19:50] <Khaytsus> I totally get using USB as power. It's so common. but the pi doesn't have the components on it to handle much outside of a very narrow range
[19:50] <Habbie> but i still had a full evening of great fun with a friend last weekend
[19:51] <Habbie> and it's even easier to hack so now i wonder if we could put a better emu on it
[19:51] <Lartza> Nintendo also doesn't include wall adapters with 3DS consoles
[19:51] <Lartza> Which uses the propietary DSi connector
[19:52] <Habbie> huh
[19:52] <Habbie> what do they include then?
[19:52] <Lartza> Nothing?
[19:52] <Lartza> The box has warnings about it
[19:52] <Lartza> Seems my adapter is 4.6V 900mA so it's not like it's USB but still
[19:52] <Khaytsus> So the wall adaptor is different than the charger? Or do they use AA/AAAs or something?
[19:52] <Lartza> No
[19:52] <Habbie> Lartza, usb would totally work for that
[19:53] <Lartza> You literally have no way of powering the 3DS unless you buy one or own one from a previous DSi or up console
[19:53] <Habbie> Lartza, i charge my DSes over USB as well
[19:53] <Khaytsus> Lartza: wth? if I came home with that and opened it up and there was no way to use it I'd return it
[19:53] <Habbie> twice now i have had to buy a DS charger because i left home without one
[19:53] <Habbie> both time they were USB-based on the other end
[19:53] <Lartza> Khaytsus, Again, it warns on the box
[19:53] <Khaytsus> I'd still return it.
[19:53] <Lartza> And when I bough my 2DS XL the cashier asked
[19:53] <Khaytsus> And feel no shame
[19:53] <Lartza> Even though the 2DS consoles include an adapter
[19:53] <Habbie> Lartza, i wonder how many people think the cashier is just trying to upsell
[19:54] <Khaytsus> Habbie: exactly.. or sell you a second one or something you don't actually need
[19:54] <Lartza> Dunno, they can point to the warning so
[19:54] <Habbie> true
[19:54] <Khaytsus> You know that has to drive the retailers nuts too
[19:54] <Khaytsus> Dealing with returns is a huge annoyance as a retailer
[19:54] <Lartza> https://dizw242ufxqut.cloudfront.net/images/product/game/hardware/image2/nintendo_3ds_xl_snes_edition-41268780-.jpg
[19:55] <Lartza> Not the biggest of warnings but
[19:55] <Lartza> On my case the cashier wasn't trying to upsell just checking
[19:55] <Habbie> that thing is beyond cute though
[19:55] <Khaytsus> Warning: We're going to charge you for the power suppy that everything else provides
[19:55] <Lartza> The store floor person tried to sell me warranty :P
[19:55] <Habbie> but since the Switch, nintendo has ruined any chances of me buying another *DS
[19:55] <Lartza> Habbie, I unfortunately only have this thing :( https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/5877/5877100cv11d.jpg
[19:55] <Khaytsus> So you can't use the thing AT ALL without this secondary power supply?
[19:56] <Habbie> Khaytsus, most devices come with a non-empty battery ;)
[19:56] <Habbie> Lartza, i missed the foldable 2DS! nice mid range idea
[19:56] <Khaytsus> Habbie: yeah, I figure it's not replacable batteries... I'd seriously flip my shit
[19:56] <Habbie> Lartza, still i don't think i'll buy any DS any time soon
[19:56] <Lartza> That was 129€ with the charger included, 3DS XL was 150€ or more without a charger
[19:56] <Habbie> Khaytsus, my DS Lite has a 'replaceable' battery but that's only useful if you have more of them
[19:57] <Habbie> Lartza, that is decent
[19:57] <Lartza> And the 3D is kind of a gimmick
[19:57] <Lartza> I bouth it for my birthday in may :P
[19:57] <Lartza> *bought
[19:57] <Habbie> yeah the 3D did not do much for me when i tried it a few years ago
[19:57] <Lartza> Used to own an original NDS way back but since then, wii that I sold for a 360 then PC all the way
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[19:57] <Lartza> The 3D is better on the new 3DS since it adjusts it to your viewing angle with the front cams but still
[19:57] <Habbie> DS Lite is 30 bucks now second hand, with a few games if you're lucky
[19:58] <Habbie> which is a great gift for kids turning anywhere between 6 and 10
[19:58] <Habbie> the games are still plenty fun
[19:58] <Lartza> Yeah one of the reasons I got a 2DS instead of a Switch apart from price was the huge catalog of 3DS AND DS games
[19:58] <Habbie> that makes sense
[19:58] <Habbie> good thing my kid has no clue about the 3DS catalog
[19:58] <Habbie> and is very happy with my DS and Switch catalog ;)
[19:59] <Lartza> And because they haven't announced animal crossing for the switch yet! :///
[19:59] <Habbie> i don't do a lot of portable gaming myself any more so i'm fine anyway
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[19:59] <Habbie> oh they will
[19:59] <Lartza> Yeah now with the online they will
[19:59] <Lartza> And last one has been so long
[19:59] <Habbie> i haven't played any of them yet, i'm afraid to admit
[19:59] <Lartza> 2012
[19:59] <Lartza> They are definitely not for everybody
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[20:00] <Habbie> i'm not even sure they're not for me
[20:00] <Habbie> kid would probably love them
[20:00] <Lartza> I don't know why I like them as an adult male tbh, part might be nostalgia :P
[20:00] <Habbie> i care little for age or gender distinctions in games
[20:00] <Habbie> other than the obvious 'some games are not for young kids'
[20:01] <Lartza> Yeah Animal Crossing is fairly age neutral since the smallest kids can't really even play the game to the fullest
[20:01] <Habbie> but can they enjoy it still?
[20:01] <Lartza> at least new leaf, it has all kinds of town building stuff
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[20:01] <Lartza> Oh certainly I'd say
[20:01] <Habbie> my kid has spent days on zelda:botw without coming close to any monsters
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[20:01] <Habbie> 'oh no this will not do, i will just go around and find another korok'
[20:01] <Khaytsus> My kid has some nintendo game system, forget which.. but she only has a few games for it since she already spends too much time playing games on her phone
[20:02] <Habbie> hehe, mine was complaining today, again, she wants a phone
[20:02] <Lartza> but phone gaming is meh even if EA says it's the future :P
[20:02] <Habbie> i've had some phone games i really enjoyed
[20:02] <Habbie> although most of them are better on 7" or up
[20:03] <Lartza> Yeah no totally, but given the choice between a 3DS and a phone for instance you lose so much
[20:03] <Habbie> yes
[20:03] <Habbie> i remember a coworker looking at my desk, this is 10 years ago by now
[20:03] <Lartza> Touch screen platform games aren't the same at all
[20:03] <Habbie> phone, ipod touch, DS
[20:03] <Habbie> 'please explain to me why these are all separate devices'
[20:03] <Lartza> Then you have microtransactions on almost any game, EVEN with upfront payments
[20:03] <Khaytsus> Well, mine is 13. heh.. Until about a year ago she had old phones of ours, now she has her own. Still my choice of phone though (Android)
[20:03] <Habbie> Khaytsus, would be android here as well, house is filling up with phones me and my wife have replaced ;)
[20:04] <Lartza> Gosh I really need a new phone
[20:04] <Lartza> Nexus 6P was not a good choice :/
[20:04] <Habbie> i'm gonna need a new phone in a few months
[20:04] <Habbie> when google stops shipping security updates for it
[20:04] <Habbie> (nexus 5x)
[20:04] <Lartza> Well I'm already on Lineage but still
[20:04] <Habbie> that i could also consider
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[20:05] <Lartza> Battery instantly dies at 20-40% depending on the mood, replacement is 50-80€
[20:05] <Habbie> on my galaxy nexus i had to - samsung was delaying -and- breaking updates
[20:05] <Habbie> even though it's a nexus
[20:05] <Habbie> my 5x got a fresh battery just before warranty expired
[20:05] <Habbie> was like a new phone
[20:05] <Lartza> At least the processor hasn't died
[20:05] <Lartza> Mine wasn't bad enough back in february this year, when mine expired
[20:05] <Habbie> mine would sometimes last for just an hour, and get very hot
[20:05] <Habbie> obvious defect
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[20:06] <Lartza> At least on a Nexus 6P it's a defect of the circuitry
[20:06] <Habbie> as annoying as that was on holiday (which may in fact have 'helped' temperature wise), i'm happy in hindsight
[20:06] <Khaytsus> Habbie: yep.. certainly makes sense when they're young.. my kid is still not very good with her phone, drops it, puts it in dumb places etc
[20:06] <Khaytsus> Habbie: Heh, her phone is a 5x actually.. timebomb :(
[20:06] <Habbie> yeah dropping is an issue
[20:06] <Lartza> Khaytsus, One acquaintance of mine had kids destroy a DS Lite in the bath iirc :P
[20:07] <Khaytsus> Lartza: Yeah, Iv'e found her with her phone sitting on the edge of the tub with her ferret bathing before.
[20:07] <Khaytsus> She just has no f'ing common sense
[20:07] <Habbie> doesn't come before 18
[20:07] <Habbie> or 30 some people say
[20:07] <Khaytsus> I wonder if ever
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[20:07] <Habbie> i'm slowly getting there i think ;)
[20:08] <Habbie> but only in comparison to the other people in my household
[20:08] <Khaytsus> When we were kids we had all kinds of common sense and street smarts
[20:08] <Habbie> had to buy my wife a very sturdy case as well
[20:08] <Habbie> it was like 50 bucks but it's saving us 200 a year
[20:08] <Habbie> Khaytsus, we also did not have devices that cost 3000 eur per kilogram
[20:08] <Habbie> Khaytsus, our damages were small
[20:08] <Khaytsus> Kid has broken one 5x completely, google replacement... $80
[20:08] <Habbie> $80 is a lucky break then
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[20:09] <Khaytsus> Yeah not terrible
[20:09] <Khaytsus> she's since broken 3 screen protectors.. b ut at least just the protector
[20:09] <Habbie> that's the best case scenario
[20:09] <Khaytsus> She SHOVES her phone in places that are too tight
[20:09] <Khaytsus> Like her bookbag
[20:10] <Habbie> i've broken jeans that way.. never phones
[20:10] <Khaytsus> but yeah i can get 3 of those for $10 heh
[20:10] <Lartza> Ugh, had to take another ibuprofen, down to five pills
[20:11] <Lartza> Gotta call a doctor tomorrow if my cold isn't any better, sucks that student health services are closed though
[20:12] <Lartza> I think this is enough IRC for today, gotta try to rest again for a while even if I've been sleeping the whole day
[20:12] <Habbie> nothing beats rest
[20:12] <Habbie> please take care of yourself
[20:12] <Habbie> get some good soup
[20:12] <Lartza> I only have hot chocolate pretty much :P
[20:13] <Lartza> But if I get to a doctor tomorrow the store is near
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[20:15] <Habbie> it's a good start
[20:15] <Habbie> maybe add some salt
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[21:20] <SteveD83> Hello All!
[21:20] <SteveD83> I need some advice / guidance
[21:21] <Habbie> just ask
[21:22] <davr0s> buy more raspberry pi's
[21:22] <Habbie> always
[21:22] <SteveD83> I am running a windows Server that is my dedicated webserver, but as I am a home user sometimes I have to take the server offline, what I want to do is use the raspberry pi automatically when my main server is offline, I think I read this is called a fallover server, but I have no clue beyond this
[21:22] <SteveD83> I have two only :( pi model 3 and model 2
[21:22] <Habbie> what would you like the pi to do when the windows server is offline?
[21:23] <SteveD83> become my webserver
[21:23] <Khaytsus> What is the webserver serving?
[21:23] <SteveD83> It only needs even just to show one page if it can't display everything, like a sorry we are offline please checkback later
[21:23] <SteveD83> Webpages
[21:24] <Habbie> SteveD83, is this on a single LAN?
[21:24] <Khaytsus> Okay, nevermind... You just want a static server
[21:24] <Khaytsus> static pages
[21:24] <Habbie> Khaytsus, yes, but then there is the failover question
[21:24] <SteveD83> Yes a single LAN
[21:24] <Khaytsus> I've done that with nginix or apache...
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[21:25] <Habbie> SteveD83, so you'll either need some failover protocol that both machines agree on
[21:25] <Khaytsus> SteveD83: what kind of pages? Why not just use the pi as the webserver if the windows server is offline that often (which they are)
[21:25] <Habbie> SteveD83, or something on the pi that will do ARP for the IP if, and only if, the windows machine is not responding
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[21:26] <SteveD83> OK what is ARP?
[21:26] <Habbie> this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol
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[21:26] <Habbie> it's how machines find out the hardware (MAC/Ethernet) address of other machines on the LAN for a given IP
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[21:30] <SteveD83> I think I understand
[21:31] <Khaytsus> What _I_ would do is... if hte pi is really reliable on on 24/7, set it up with mod_proxy_balancer and it hand off requests to the windows machine. If the windows machine goes offline, the pi could take over.
[21:31] <Khaytsus> And point the website at the pi's ip.. with the configuration right, it'll direct all traffic to the windows machine. If the windows machine is offline, it'll use the other config, which you'd point at itself basically (on a different port.. like apache on port 81)
[21:32] <Khaytsus> Or lighthttp or something...since it's just a static page
[21:33] <SteveD83> Is this two different methods of solving the same problem?
[21:33] <Habbie> it is
[21:33] <Habbie> Khaytsus is proposing that your pi is always 'in the path'
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[21:33] <Lope> is network-manager "heavy" in terms of memory usage? is there much justification for not using it on raspbian, if you can get away with just dhcpcd?
[21:33] <Habbie> i was giving suggestions on how to do failover between the two machines
[21:33] <Khaytsus> Because mod_proxy_balancer can do the automatic failover for you, and it's on the pi
[21:34] <Khaytsus> There are many ways to do the same thing.. at the network level (waht Habbie suggests) or at the http level (waht I'm suggesting)
[21:34] <Lope> last time I tried to set a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces raspbian ignored it and wanted me to use dhcpcd
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[21:34] <larsks> You can still use /etc/network/interfaces, but you do need to tell dhcpcd to keep its fingers off your interface if you're going to do that.
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[21:35] <larsks> And if it's a wireless interface, you need to take care of getting wpa_supplicant running, too.
[21:35] <SteveD83> I assume there are advantages and disadvantages to both?
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[21:36] <SteveD83> Sorry I am a real newb to all of this
[21:36] <larsks> SteveD83: Probably, yes. The big advantage to the new dhcpcd-based mechanism is that it "just works" for most people, and even when handling static address assignments it deals well with dynamic network devices (such as removable usb wifi/ethernet dongles).
[21:37] <SteveD83> Could having the raspberri pi inline slow things down
[21:38] <SteveD83> my windows server has other functions too like it runs an ARK server and file server?
[21:39] <Khaytsus> I didn't relize your machine was doing a dozen things
[21:39] <Khaytsus> So my suggestion wouldn't work.... it'd basically point the website address at the pi. The other random things wouldn't work at all in that case
[21:40] <SteveD83> I would only want the website to be working when the server is offline
[21:41] <SteveD83> Hope that makes sense >.<
[21:44] <SteveD83> Is what I am trying to do unreasonable?
[21:44] <Habbie> it's not unreasonable at all
[21:44] <Khaytsus> not unreasonable no..
[21:44] <Habbie> but it's not a simple question
[21:44] <Khaytsus> Habbie's suggest is probably better than
[21:44] <Habbie> as you see there are at least two approaches to it
[21:44] <SteveD83> OK thanks he he
[21:44] <Habbie> Khaytsus, because of all the non-web services
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[21:47] <SteveD83> So I need to try thr ARP Method?
[21:49] <Habbie> probably makes more sense than what Khaytsus said, with what we know now
[21:49] <Khaytsus> Yeah, I was thinking it was _strictly_ a web server
[21:49] <Habbie> uhuh
[21:51] <SteveD83> Is there a guide I can read?
[21:51] <Habbie> SteveD83, i do not have one
[21:51] <Habbie> SteveD83, the keepalived documentation -may- be of interest
[21:51] <SteveD83> Ok cool thanks
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[22:18] <Poison[BLX]> the vc side, which would avoid a ton of copying back and forth to the arm side. Anyone done anything like this, and am I insane for having the idea?
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[22:32] <RoyK> Lartza: about this under-voltage - tried another cable - no change - but I just tried another thing - pass the power through a powerbank (DiY UPS :D) - seems to work well
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[22:56] <Khaytsus> RoyK: what are you powering the pi with
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[22:59] <RoyK> Khaytsus: newish samsung charger - I'm not at home, so that's all I have atm
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[23:26] <kerio> Poison[BLX]: how are you blending it up?
[23:28] <kerio> also how does the optical calibration even work with an 8x8 image?
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[23:30] <Poison[BLX]> Aiming to do either a color or luminosity blend, which would actually be pretty easy to do on the picam's yuv data, if it came down to it. And the 8x8 is solely the raw output from the thermal sensor (amg8833 from adafruit).
[23:35] <kerio> if you want something like flir systems' "msx"
[23:35] <kerio> it's literally just cv2.Laplacian()
[23:36] <kerio> and then overlay it on the colormapped thermal
[23:36] <kerio> idk if it'll look as good without detail on the thermal image tho :c
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[23:37] <Poison[BLX]> Yeah. The detail from the actual picam's grayscale layer is what I'm sorta gambling on.
[23:37] <Poison[BLX]> But that is an awesome trick for the right "look" of basic edge marking.
[23:37] <kerio> ye
[23:38] <kerio> idk what's a decent way to do the overlaying tho
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[23:38] <kerio> i just used qt's compositionmode for that
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[23:40] <Poison[BLX]> I have a suspicion that, at my camera resolution, I shouldn't have *any* issues pulling it out to the arm chip, doing the "uv" layer replacement from the thermal data, and then pushing it back out to the display. I don't need *high* framerates, just enough to avoid making myself ill. It's going into a head mounted 2-inch display with a google cardboard lense for focus :D
[23:41] <kerio> latency will screw you up
[23:41] <kerio> what's the time constant for that thermal sensor?
[23:43] <Poison[BLX]> The max sample rate's 10fps, not sure what its delay is. Their demo of it pushing through an atmel chip seems to have about a half second latency.
[23:44] <Poison[BLX]> Which is the other reason I'm aiming to keep the detail from the pi camera as the focus, and just re-color reality in very strange ways :P
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[23:48] <kerio> damn, 27 moneys for an 8x8 imager
[23:48] <kerio> it feels... expensive
[23:49] <Poison[BLX]> Not when you start looking at what thermal imagers tend to cost, even at small scale.
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[23:49] <kerio> a lepton 3 has literally 300 times as many pixels for a bit less than 10 times the cost
[23:50] <Poison[BLX]> Right. But 10x is a bit of a markup, and there's a point where you get diminishing increase in cost for the added point sensors.
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[23:54] <Poison[BLX]> 10x is about 1.5x the cost of the entire project, incidentally.
[23:54] <kerio> :D
[23:55] <Poison[BLX]> Well, the electronics of the project. I admit nothing about the housing (aiming for a cyberpunk twist on corvo's mask... and functional)
[23:57] <Poison[BLX]> Worst case, I scrap the thermal chip, switch to a noir cam, and add a light sensor and a big ir led.
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