#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-07-20

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[0:14] <Tenkawa> LTCD:
[0:14] <LTCD> Tenkawa Any idea?
[0:14] <LTCD> Tenkawa It still had NOOBS :-(
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[0:28] <bostonmacosx> Hi hi
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[0:37] <fromTheVoid> Hi, is it possible to first time boot a rPi3, using the laptop monitor? I have access to a keyboard, laptop, HDMI, SDcard, and Usb cable.
[0:38] <Habbie> fromTheVoid, do you have a usb keyboard?
[0:38] <fromTheVoid> yes
[0:38] <Habbie> oh wait
[0:38] <Habbie> you do not have an hdmi monitor?
[0:38] <fromTheVoid> I have a laptop, that i can connect into with an hdmi cable
[0:38] <fromTheVoid> but not a separate monitor
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[0:42] <fromTheVoid> if i was unclear, as i may have been: I have an SD card (flased with ubuntu mate), HDMI cable, a laptop, keyboard. What I do not have is a separate monitor, or an ethernet cable.
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[0:43] <Zardoz> you will need a display
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[0:44] <fromTheVoid> i see, it is not possible to use my laptop as a display? it is not that i am doing something wrong and thats why the laptop does not detect any input on the HDMI
[0:44] <fromTheVoid> @Zardoz
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[0:45] <Zardoz> think of the pi as a computer.
[0:47] <Zardoz> laptops dont have a way to use the display as a stand alone display
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[0:48] <fromTheVoid> makes sense @Zardoz
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[0:49] <fromTheVoid> I will ask a neighbour :)
[0:49] <fromTheVoid> I can ssh into it after
[0:49] <fromTheVoid> the first boot
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[0:57] <fromTheVoid> Hi, I got the monitor from a friend. But we still dont have a mouse. Now the problem is that when I boot up, the keyboard doesn't seem to work (ex. pressing enter does not select)
[0:58] <Habbie> no mouse is not a problem
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[0:59] <fromTheVoid> perhaps its a problem that this is a MAC keyboard (the only spare one we had)
[0:59] <Habbie> i use mac keyboards on pi all the time
[1:00] <fromTheVoid> OK thank you. Any idea what could it be?
[1:00] <Habbie> well
[1:00] <Habbie> what do you mean by 'does not select'?
[1:01] <fromTheVoid> sorry for confusion. Pressing any button, has no effect, when I am prompted with the menu for selecting the language
[1:01] <Habbie> arrow keys don't work either?
[1:01] <fromTheVoid> no
[1:01] <Habbie> well then your keyboard is not working at all
[1:01] <mfa298> fromTheVoid: if you used rasbian, it's possible to enable wifi and ssh by putting files on the boot partition at which point you dont need a screen or keyboard. I'm not sure ubuntu does anything similar though
[1:01] <Habbie> suggesting it is broken or not in fact plugged in
[1:01] <fromTheVoid> nothing. I tried rebooting several times. But it works on a computer.
[1:02] <Habbie> mfa298, fromTheVoid mentioned not having an ethernet cable...
[1:02] <fromTheVoid> mfa298: thank you for the suggestion.
[1:02] <Habbie> i do definitely agree on starting with raspbian until things work
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[1:03] <Habbie> i missed the ubuntu bit earlier
[1:03] <mfa298> Habbie: but he did say it's a pi3 and he can ssh after its been first setup, so I was making an assumption it'll connect to wifi
[1:03] <Habbie> oh i also missed the working ssh
[1:03] <Habbie> as a result i'm unsure what we are debugging now
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[1:04] <Habbie> both you and me :)
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[1:05] <fromTheVoid> maybe theres something wrong with the keyboard, Ive tried many times now :) But it does work on the computer
[1:05] <Habbie> ok
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[1:05] <Habbie> but reading back, you say ssh works initially but not later?
[1:07] <Karyon> you can setup wifi using a wpa_supplicant.conf file in boot -> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/headless.md
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[1:20] <fromTheVoid> sorry, i was away. SSH is not yet working, I said that after the first boot, i will simply ssh into it, when i setup ssh etc. at first boot
[1:20] <fromTheVoid> but the problem is that the raspberyy does not seem to recognize the keyboard
[1:20] <fromTheVoid> so i cannot run the instaler (run == configure/select options)
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[1:22] <fromTheVoid> ok, i found an old mouse :)
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[1:24] <fromTheVoid> now my plan is to setup ssh with the mouse, and than ssh into it and be done with the madness :)
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[2:09] <Phischi> hello
[2:09] <Phischi> anyone around who used a Pi to read S0-powermeters?
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[2:10] <HrdwrBoB> not specifically
[2:10] <HrdwrBoB> but ask your question
[2:11] <Phischi> the commercial HATs are kinda pricey and have not enough ports, I have 7 powermeters. I was planning on connecting the digital inputs through a 1kOhm resistor to the S0-ports of the meter. That would be about 5mA @ 5V. Should be okay?
[2:12] <Phischi> 35mA (7x0,5mA) is still in the range for the Arm, right?
[2:12] <Phischi> err... 5mA
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[2:14] <Phischi> on the power-meter side there's pretty much just a opto-coupler output: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S0-Schnittstelle#/media/File:S0-Schnittstelle.jpg
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[2:15] <fromTheVoid> hi. I have a perhaps stupid question :). After flashing an SD using etcher and booting up for the first time. What next? If I remove the SD card and reboot, what will happen? What will happen if i leave the sd card in and reboot? My intuition tells me that if I leave the card in and reboot, that it will load the boot screen again?
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[2:20] <fromTheVoid> Because, if that is so... Than where has the software (OS) been installed to? Could someone please give me a short rundown?
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[2:24] <Zardoz> the OS is installed on the SD card the the process of "flashing" with etcher is the install process.
[2:25] <Zardoz> if you remove the OS card from the pi it will not boot.
[2:25] <Zardoz> sd card that is
[2:26] <Zardoz> the SD card is basically the hard drive.
[2:27] <fromTheVoid> thank you!
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[2:28] <shauno> alternatively, you can preconfigure ssh & wifi from your PC (ala https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191252 ), jumping you straight past hoping the first-run menu comes back & trying to setup with just the mouse
[2:29] <fromTheVoid> i am now connected via SSH, and am doing everything on the laptop :)
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[2:29] <shauno> ah ok .. I just saw you were trying to mouse your way to ssh 'n jumped in heh
[2:30] <fromTheVoid> yes, I did use the mouse to get this far :)
[2:30] <fromTheVoid> for some reason, my mac keyboard is not working
[2:33] <fromTheVoid> i will setup a "music station" with the music playing daemon
[2:33] <fromTheVoid> as my novice project
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[3:18] <Budgii> Anyone ever made a weechat server on rpi
[3:19] <IT_Sean> ... you mean an IRC server?
[3:19] <IT_Sean> It would probably be okay for a small number of users.
[3:19] <Budgii> something like that. Heard about making a server just so I could have IRC across all devices
[3:19] <Budgii> be logged in, that is and never disconnect and keep all history
[3:20] <wigums> no. weechat can act as a server e.g. like a bnc
[3:20] <Budgii> dont I have to have it running at all times or?
[3:20] <IT_Sean> Oh, an IRC bouncer is what you are looking for.
[3:20] <wigums> yea it has its own daemon
[3:20] <Budgii> I really am not sure of the terminoligy here
[3:21] <{HD}> How would I format "vim date +%s" to open a new file named seconds since epoch?
[3:21] <Budgii> So do I need to create a server to do that?
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[3:21] <wigums> no you set up the daemon
[3:21] <Budgii> Is that somethign I can do on windows
[3:21] <wigums> or whatever weechat calls it
[3:21] <Budgii> I can't get my internet to work on ubuntu..
[3:23] <wigums> relay they call it
[3:23] <Budgii> 'IRC relay
[3:23] <Budgii> tjem
[3:23] <Budgii> then*?
[3:23] <wigums> we're talking about weechat... weechat relay
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[3:28] <brianx> what about a weechat relay? i ran one on a pi b classic for a couple years.
[3:28] <Budgii> brianx, i'm just looking to have IRC on all of my devices with out logging out and having them synced. Im not sure where to start. I was under the impression I needed to have a server
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[3:29] <brianx> Budgii: weechat is technically a client. it does have a relay protocol that is compatible to the ncurses, weechat-android, and glowing-bear clients.
[3:30] <Budgii> Is it compatible with apple devices??
[3:30] <brianx> Budgii: nothing is compatible to apple devices.
[3:30] <Budgii> As I figured.
[3:30] <Budgii> Thanks. :D
[3:31] <brianx> i had someone try an ios device on https://latest.glowing-bear.org and even that didn't work.
[3:31] <Budgii> yikes.
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[3:32] <brianx> apparently their performance and battery saving are a bit too aggressive and everything disconnects when anything else is done with the device.
[3:32] <Budgii> Not surprised.
[3:33] <brianx> android disconnects by default, but there are settings to fix that.
[3:35] <brianx> the above was typed on my desktop via my local copy of glowing-bear. this was typed on my android.
[3:35] <brianx> when i hit send, g-b updated in well under a second.
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[3:37] <brianx> i use xfinity mobile a lot, so my IP is constantly changing, weechat-android handles it like a champ. the only annoyance is that i can't type while it's switching access points. the w-a folks say that's the way they want it to work and won't consider any solutions.
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[3:39] <Budgii> Thats excellent. I'd love IRC on my phone..
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[3:39] <Budgii> Sure I could get a client but..
[3:39] <Budgii> I'd prefer to use my same account, cloaked with SASL.
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[3:40] <brianx> i tried a regular client. it sucked because i'd disconnect and reconnect all the time. even a regular bnc would be only a partial solution.
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[3:41] <Budgii> Is teamviewer a good option for remote access to rpi?
[3:41] <Budgii> With GUI, that is.
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[3:45] <deww> i mean, it works
[3:46] <Budgii> Just read up on using VNC with interface. testing that now.
[3:46] <Budgii> Might be a better option.
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[4:15] <mattwj2002> hey all
[4:15] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:17] <Budgii> Hello!
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[4:17] <mattwj2002> hey Budgii
[4:17] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:17] <mattwj2002> what are you up to?
[4:18] <Budgii> Alright, i'm trying to set up VNC for rpi and getting connection refused by the computer error when attempting to connect from this machine. Anyone know how to resolve this?
[4:18] <mattwj2002> I can help you with that
[4:18] <mattwj2002> download the realvnc client
[4:18] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:18] <Budgii> Disregard, reading the log on rpi VNC, it gave me an error
[4:19] <Budgii> Let me try this again.
[4:19] <mattwj2002> okwy
[4:19] <mattwj2002> *okay
[4:19] <Budgii> Been about 2 months since i've booted my rpi.. just moved.
[4:19] <mattwj2002> nice!
[4:20] <Budgii> Just to let you know my extent, i've done the flashing light and made it match to an electronic song.. and then the button that enables the light. :p
[4:21] <Budgii> Looks like it's doing a lot of updates now that i'm enabling VNC on the rpi. So far so good.
[4:22] <Budgii> Still updating.. good.
[4:22] <mattwj2002> sounds good
[4:22] <mattwj2002> which pi do you have?
[4:22] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:23] <Budgii> rpi3
[4:23] <Budgii> I'm in!
[4:23] <mattwj2002> awesome
[4:23] <mattwj2002> rpi3b plus?
[4:23] <mattwj2002> oh you said a couple months probably a 3b
[4:24] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:24] <Budgii> Let me find out.
[4:25] <Budgii> Is there a way I can tell via terminal on rpi?
[4:25] <Budgii> Feeling rather lazy, not wanting to look up my order history.\
[4:25] <Budgii> ..
[4:25] <Budgii> =]
[4:25] <mattwj2002> no problem
[4:25] <mattwj2002> I am not sure to be honest
[4:25] <mattwj2002> hmmmm
[4:25] * mattwj2002 consults the google
[4:26] <Budgii> If I must, I will consult. :D
[4:26] <Budgii> I think i'll just check my history. B+ seems to be accurate.
[4:26] <mattwj2002> is it dual band?
[4:26] <mattwj2002> can you support 5 Ghz?
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[4:27] <Budgii> Raspberry Pi 3 B+
[4:27] <Budgii> And yes, currently connected to 5Ghz
[4:27] <mattwj2002> okay coolness
[4:27] <mattwj2002> :D
[4:28] <Budgii> I also got the CanaKit.
[4:28] <mattwj2002> I love my 3b+
[4:28] <mattwj2002> 5 Ghz is awesome
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[4:28] <Budgii> We rrun the same then.
[4:28] <Budgii> I miss my fober optic internet..
[4:28] <Budgii> Fiber*
[4:28] <mattwj2002> 1 Gigabit ?
[4:28] <Budgii> I'm not in the fiberhood anymore. Yes. 1gb.
[4:29] <Budgii> Don't *really* need it, but was nice when I want to spontanieously download a new OS to try, and have it in a few minutes.
[4:29] <Budgii> Downloading GTA5 (78 gigs) was nice for a 30 minute download on steam.
[4:30] <mattwj2002> hehe
[4:30] <mattwj2002> I am currently living with my Mom
[4:30] <mattwj2002> once I get a new job I want 1 Gigabit
[4:30] <Budgii> It really is nice.
[4:30] <Budgii> What version of windows does she use?
[4:31] <mattwj2002> Windows 10
[4:31] <Budgii> Any programming languages?
[4:31] <mattwj2002> but at the moment I am using Ubuntu 18.04
[4:31] <mattwj2002> I am a networker not a programmer
[4:31] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:31] <Budgii> Do you know how to fix ethernet issue on ubuntu? I tried setting up some wireless card drivers on my ubuntu, then ethernet died too.
[4:32] <Budgii> (currently on w10, not bad but meh.)
[4:32] <mattwj2002> what version of Ubuntu?
[4:32] <mattwj2002> I recently purchased a new laptop
[4:32] <Budgii> I will give you a hint.
[4:32] <mattwj2002> network was died on 16.04 I moved to 18.04
[4:32] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:33] <Budgii> I just built a new machine, that's partly why I even stepped foot back in windows..
[4:33] <mattwj2002> life is good with 18.04
[4:33] <Budgii> <---
[4:33] <mattwj2002> hehe
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[4:34] <mattwj2002> Budgii, I am not sure
[4:34] <mattwj2002> do you have a usb nic that works?
[4:34] <Budgii> Solus Budgie. :D
[4:34] <Budgii> usb nic?
[4:34] <mattwj2002> probably need a new kernel and/or a package installed of some sorts
[4:34] <mattwj2002> yeah
[4:34] <mattwj2002> Usb network interface card
[4:34] <mattwj2002> or even a usb network wireless card
[4:34] <mattwj2002> :)
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[4:35] <mattwj2002> I honestly don't know with your particular system, but that might be a few things you can try
[4:35] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:36] <Budgii> Well.. the thing is I just got a new one. In the past I have used this little usb wifi adapter and tried installing drivers for it, since now i'm on a desktop instead of a laptop
[4:36] <Budgii> I did the process.. didn't work and ethernet died too
[4:36] <mattwj2002> got ya
[4:36] <mattwj2002> #ubuntu can probably be more help than me to be honest
[4:36] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:36] <Budgii> Ultimately i'd like just to get drivers for my Tp-Link T9E Archer
[4:36] <Budgii> that's what I put in the machine.
[4:38] <lopta> Budgii: Is that a USB WiFi adaptor?
[4:38] <Budgii> PCIe
[4:38] <lopta> Ah.
[4:38] <Budgii> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704241
[4:38] <Budgii> There you are.
[4:39] <Budgii> I transposed, Archer T9E.
[4:40] <lopta> brb
[4:40] <Budgii> I guess I just need to fix the ethernet issue first, then dive into getting wireless..
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[4:44] <lopta> Wired Ethernet ftw.
[4:45] * mattwj2002 sends a copy of wire to Budgii !
[4:45] <mattwj2002> :D
[4:45] <mattwj2002> Wire*
[4:45] <mattwj2002> I meant Wired haha
[4:45] * Budgii is now connected to the internet.
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[4:46] * Budgii realized he was dreaming, but appreciates the gift.
[4:46] <mattwj2002> haha
[4:46] <mattwj2002> anytime buddy!
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[4:47] <lopta> I used to buy a magazine, I think it was called "Internet and Comms Today" (or something similar) and it was about 50:50 split between the Internet and Fidonet.
[4:47] <lopta> ...so that was fun.
[4:47] <mattwj2002> nice
[4:47] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:47] <Budgii> :D
[4:47] <mattwj2002> never heard of that publication but it sounds interesting
[4:48] <Budgii> What IRC client do you all use?
[4:48] <lopta> irssi
[4:48] <mattwj2002> hexchat
[4:48] <mattwj2002> I use to use pidgin
[4:49] <lopta> I also used to get Byte, PCW (the American one, I think) and Unix World.
[4:49] <mattwj2002> I prefer hexchat now
[4:49] <mattwj2002> I remember Byte
[4:49] <mattwj2002> PC World oh yeah!
[4:49] <lopta> Wish I'd invested that money now instead of buying magazines ;-)
[4:50] <mattwj2002> lopta, https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine
[4:50] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[4:50] <lopta> Thanks mattwj2002
[4:50] <mattwj2002> anytime
[4:50] <HrdwrBoB> I remember my father getting BYTE magazine
[4:50] <HrdwrBoB> and I think I read some of it
[4:50] <mattwj2002> internet archive is awesome
[4:50] <lopta> Now I'm going to be busy for the next thousand years or so.
[4:50] <mattwj2002> I should see if they have popular electronics
[4:50] <lopta> I recognise a lot of those covers.
[4:51] <HrdwrBoB> https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1981-04
[4:51] <HrdwrBoB> SD card. smart watch.
[4:51] <HrdwrBoB> both things exist.
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[4:52] <mattwj2002> I really need to donate to internet archive
[4:52] <mattwj2002> it is seriously one of the best sites on the Internet that a lot of people have never heard of
[4:52] <mattwj2002> hehe
[4:53] <Budgii> mattwj2002, I prefer hexchat myself.. unfortunately it's not free on windows.
[4:53] <mattwj2002> https://archive.org/details/Poptronics196602
[4:54] <mattwj2002> Budgii, yeah it is!
[4:54] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:54] <mattwj2002> from the app store no
[4:54] <mattwj2002> but you don't have to buy it from the app store
[4:54] <mattwj2002> https://hexchat.github.io/downloads.html
[4:54] <Budgii> Ohhhhh
[4:54] <Budgii> no way
[4:55] <lopta> "First 25 MHz Machines!"
[4:55] <mattwj2002> speaking of good magazines.....
[4:55] <mattwj2002> do you guys read Magpi?
[4:56] <mattwj2002> 25 Mhz damn .... slow down :)
[4:56] <lopta> Oooh, they have the Sun 386i edition too!
[4:56] <mattwj2002> why do we have to be in such a rush
[4:56] <mattwj2002> :P
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[4:58] <Budgii> mattwj2002, when I clicked on windows it just send me to the app store.
[4:58] <mattwj2002> khz is fast enough
[4:59] <mattwj2002> :P
[4:59] <mattwj2002> yup
[4:59] <mattwj2002> do the windows 7 installer
[4:59] <lopta> mattwj2002: For some applications it still is.
[5:00] <mattwj2002> true
[5:00] <mattwj2002> anyone a dosbox fan?
[5:01] <mattwj2002> once and a while I get into an Oregon Trail mood
[5:01] <Budgii> Return shortly.
[5:02] <mattwj2002> okay cool
[5:02] <lopta> I may have run Jacaranda Jim in dosbox
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[5:06] <lopta> I was momentarily confused as to why I recognised one of these advertisers in an American magazine.
[5:07] <lopta> It's because I live in America.
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[5:08] <lopta> ...but didn't back when I read these magazines.
[5:09] <swift110> i love oregon trail
[5:09] <mattwj2002> yeah it a lot of fun
[5:09] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:09] <swift110> wish there was a linux version
[5:09] <mattwj2002> hunting was always one of my favorite parts
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[5:09] <swift110> cool
[5:09] <mattwj2002> swift110, dos box works in Linux
[5:10] <lopta> Oh wow, hard cards!
[5:10] <lopta> :-)
[5:10] <mattwj2002> hard cards?
[5:10] <mattwj2002> do you mean ISA?
[5:10] <swift110> yes but i always had problems with it
[5:11] <lopta> mattwj2002: Mostly 3.5" hard disks bolted to an ISA controller card.
[5:12] <lopta> mattwj2002: Handy for upgrading floppy-only machines without having to hack them apart.
[5:12] <Budgii> lawl
[5:12] <Budgii> floppy only machines. I'd love to play on one!
[5:12] <mattwj2002> got ya
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[5:13] <lopta> Budgii: The Amstrad 1512 was a popular example
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[5:13] <mattwj2002> my first computer was a Tandy Color Computer 2
[5:13] <mattwj2002> it was a my Dad's but I used it more than him
[5:13] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:13] <mattwj2002> 16 k of ram!
[5:14] <lopta> My sister had a Sinclair Spectrum 48K+ but my first machine was a ZX-81.
[5:14] <mattwj2002> a solar powered calculator probably has that much memory
[5:14] <Budgii> Was it in the dinosaur museum?
[5:14] <mattwj2002> :P
[5:14] <Budgii> :D
[5:15] <swift110> lol
[5:16] <swift110> i have an old compaq presario that has a floppy drive
[5:16] <mattwj2002> swift110, don't copy that floppy
[5:16] * mattwj2002 worries
[5:17] <mattwj2002> https://archive.org/details/DontCopyThatFloppy_201511
[5:17] <swift110> lol
[5:17] <lopta> mattwj2002: American colleagues had to show me that video :-)
[5:17] <mattwj2002> hehe
[5:17] <swift110> that sounds familiar
[5:17] <mattwj2002> instead of copying that floppy....rip BluRays!
[5:17] <mattwj2002> :P
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[5:19] <mattwj2002> did anyone else in here ever use a digital camera that had a floppy disk?
[5:19] <lopta> mattwj2002: Saw one of those last week.
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[5:20] <mattwj2002> my high school had one of these bad boys
[5:20] <mattwj2002> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica#/media/File:Sony_Mavica_FD5_4040.jpg
[5:20] <mattwj2002> really?
[5:20] * lopta nods
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[5:20] <mattwj2002> where at?
[5:20] <lopta> At a customer's office.
[5:21] <mattwj2002> haha very nice!
[5:21] <lopta> I want to buy a Raspberry Pi camera.
[5:21] <mattwj2002> the computer club I was in.... we even did a 360 photo back in the late 1990s...it was a quicktime format and took forever to process
[5:21] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:22] <lopta> QTVR
[5:22] <mattwj2002> hmmm
[5:22] <mattwj2002> maybe
[5:22] <mattwj2002> it was either vr or 360 not sure I just remember how cool it was
[5:22] <lopta> That's what it was called.
[5:22] <mattwj2002> got ya
[5:22] <lopta> I used to have a QTVR of a lecturer's office.
[5:23] <lopta> Need to find it because he and I are still in touch.
[5:23] <mattwj2002> hehe
[5:24] <swift110> wow quicktime
[5:25] <mattwj2002> quicktime...slowest video player ever!
[5:25] <mattwj2002> :P
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[5:27] <lopta> mattwj2002: I've used worse.
[5:27] <mattwj2002> wow
[5:27] <mattwj2002> speedrun of Oregon Trail is a little over 4 minutes
[5:27] <mattwj2002> https://www.speedrun.com/The_Oregon_Trail_DOS
[5:27] <mattwj2002> :P
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[5:28] <mattwj2002> the real boner
[5:28] <mattwj2002> :P
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[5:29] <Budgii> Goodnews, ubuntu is recognizing the new PCIe card. Just need to get those drivers installed.. without ethernet.. (ugh)
[5:29] <mattwj2002> something is up with that name
[5:29] <mattwj2002> nice!
[5:30] <Budgii> I'm going to wait until tomorrow, or the weekend to jump on that though. No real urgent needs to get it up and going atm.
[5:30] <lopta> Hmm... these cost $9,990
[5:31] <mattwj2002> what cost $9,900 ?
[5:32] <lopta> Sun 386i with a 15" mono monitor and a *massive* 91 Mbyte hard disk drive
[5:32] <mattwj2002> hehe
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[5:32] <mattwj2002> imagine if gave someone a rpi back then
[5:32] <mattwj2002> they would crap their pants
[5:32] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:33] <lopta> I've seen the 386i in the wild but that was back when early SPARCstations were being sold.
[5:33] <mattwj2002> got ya
[5:33] <lopta> Come to think of it, we had ARM processors on an ISA plug-in card.
[5:33] <lopta> ...used them to interface A0 scanners.
[5:33] <mattwj2002> interesting
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[5:34] <lopta> "Springboard"
[5:34] <lopta> Probably ARM 2 or 250.
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[5:35] <lopta> ...so RISC was out there.
[5:37] <mattwj2002> even since I was in college
[5:37] <mattwj2002> a year or two ago....I found an old microSD
[5:37] <mattwj2002> I thought it said 128 GB on it....it was only 128 MB
[5:37] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:38] <mattwj2002> I graduated back in 2005
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[5:38] <mattwj2002> it had a nice pictures on it though
[5:38] <mattwj2002> good find anywyas
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[5:38] <noregret> i got the pi noir cam, can anybody recommend a good IR illuminator that works well with it? an external one ie
[5:39] <lopta> mattwj2002: I fell of the end of an MMC card with 32 printed on it.
[5:39] <lopta> My Raspberry Pi image was larger than 32 MB ;-)
[5:39] <lopta> off*
[5:41] <mattwj2002> :P
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[6:00] <mattwj2002> good night all
[6:00] <mattwj2002> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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[9:56] <fromTheVoid> does anybody know if it is possible to control the browser (lets say firefox) on a rPi remotely?
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[9:59] <BurtyB> fromTheVoid, you could use VNC?
[9:59] <wigums> vnc?
[9:59] <wigums> oops
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[10:08] <shiftplusone> chromium has automation options, if that's what you're after.
[10:09] <fromTheVoid> not automation. I have a raspberry where i run my mpd service, so i can control my music. Works great. But I would also like to be able to stream youtube. I could not find a decent option, so now in my desperation, I would try to control the firefox instance remotely, and play the video
[10:10] <fromTheVoid> i am aware of mopidy-youtube, but it does not work, not even the search function works (there is an official problem with the plugin)
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[10:14] <shiftplusone> Hm? Why would you need to stream youtube and not just play it directly?
[10:15] <fromTheVoid> i mispoke. I would play it directly, just need to control it on a remote machine
[10:15] <shiftplusone> oh
[10:15] <shiftplusone> synergy or vnc sounds like the way to go
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[10:18] <fromTheVoid> i will look into it. I thought there was surely an option to connect two firefox instances
[10:18] <brianx> raspicast does something similar but from an android.
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[15:47] <Lartza> And now you went and broke it! Geez
[15:47] <mlelstv> call it a feature :)
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[17:28] <reedppp> Hi all! Have anyone some experience with UART on rpi3 b+ ?
[17:31] <Habbie> reedppp, many people do; best to just ask your question
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[17:32] <reedppp> Hebbie okej, sorry
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[17:32] <reedppp> I have problem with enable UART on my rpi. I've read a lot of forums, but on those found the similar info
[17:33] <IT_Sean> ... what problem are you having?
[17:34] <reedppp> I have not option to enable UART in rasp-conf, and modification /boot/config.txt file with new lines `enable-uart=1` and `dtoverlay=pi3-disable-bt` did not help ;/
[17:34] <reedppp> Have you guys any idea what I've done wrong?
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[17:36] <reedppp> I enabled P6 serial in interface options using rasp-conf too
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[17:39] <reedppp> I plugged txd, rxd, and gnd in right pins, and when I plug usb to laptop and start `screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200` did not work
[17:39] <reedppp> I have ttyUSB0 in /dev
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[17:41] <reedppp> I only saw `[screen is terminating]` immediately
[17:42] <methuzla> reedppp, what os?
[17:43] <reedppp> PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)"
[17:45] <methuzla> paste your /boot/cmdline.txt here
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[17:46] <reedppp> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=4689601d-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[17:47] <methuzla> and you currently have "enable_uart=1" in /boot/config.txt?
[17:47] <reedppp> methuzla I have, with dtoverlay=pi3-disable-bt
[17:48] <methuzla> did you reboot the pi?
[17:48] <reedppp> I did many times
[17:49] <methuzla> that should be it then. maybe check your tx/rx wiring?
[17:49] <methuzla> "I plugged txd, rxd, and gnd in right pins" <-- provide details
[17:50] <reedppp> I wondering why I have uart enable/disabel option in rasp-conf like most of people have ...
[17:50] <methuzla> have or don't have?
[17:52] <methuzla> you could be reading old forum posts
[17:52] <reedppp> have not, sry
[17:52] <methuzla> raspi-config has changed with time
[17:52] <methuzla> currently it's under: Interfacing Options -> Serial
[17:52] <reedppp> okej, I will make pic of that pins, give 1 min
[17:52] <methuzla> what kind of USB console cable are you using?
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[17:54] <reedppp> USB-UART FTDI FT232 3,3V
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[17:55] <methuzla> could also be permissions for your user on the laptop. check what group /dev/ttyUSB0 is assigned and make sure you're in it
[17:57] <reedppp> https://i.imgur.com/7RE406y.jpg
[17:57] <reedppp> black - gnd , orange - txd , yellow - rxd
[17:57] <methuzla> swap tx/rx
[17:57] <methuzla> https://pinout.xyz
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[17:58] <methuzla> you want cable TX to pi RX / cable RX to pi TX
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[17:59] <reedppp> crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 188, 0 20.07.2018 17:59 /dev/ttyUSB0
[17:59] <methuzla> are you in uucp group?
[17:59] <BurtyB> reedppp, you should prob be aware serial tends to drop chars unless you use hardware flow control
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[18:01] <reedppp> nope, i am not
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[18:01] <methuzla> do that
[18:01] <reedppp> sure
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[18:03] <reedppp> BurtyP I do not understand what do you mean
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[18:04] <reedppp> methuzla I've added my user to uucp group, and results is the same ;/
[18:05] <methuzla> i think you need to log in / out (or some other linux foo to make group change effective)
[18:05] <methuzla> can check with "groups"
[18:06] <reedppp> groups klemens
[18:06] <reedppp> lp wheel uucp l
[18:06] <reedppp> okej, I will relog my user
[18:07] <reedppp> but I wondering why in `groups` there is no uucp group, but in `groups user` it is
[18:08] <mlelstv> groups shows the group list of the current process.
[18:08] <mlelstv> groups user shows the default groups of that user
[18:09] <reedppp> okej, thanks mlelstv
[18:11] <reedppp> methuzla, I reloged and issue is the same ;/
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[18:11] <BurtyB> reedppp, basically unless you also hook up RTS/CTS and enable hardware flow control sending more than 8/16 characters (depending on which uart you're using) at a time ends up with them being lost sometimes
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[18:12] <reedppp> Could I log to rpi shell with UART in other way than by screen ?
[18:12] <methuzla> reedppp, screen instantly exits? or other?
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[18:13] <reedppp> guys It start works
[18:14] <reedppp> I think that add user to uucp and relog helped
[18:14] <methuzla> did you also swap tx/rx?
[18:15] <reedppp> I leave it like that you said me before
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[18:16] <reedppp> Thanks a lot methuzla, BurtyB, mlelstv !!!
[18:18] <methuzla> ok. as long as it's working. weird cable though.
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[18:20] <reedppp> pins have to be right that as you say, in swapped combination not work
[18:20] <reedppp> so uucp and swap tx/rx helped
[18:21] <reedppp> thanks a lot ones again! :P
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[21:51] <xp> Gosh, I can't wait to setup a USB RAID on my pi
[21:52] <Lartza> lol
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[21:54] <Lartza> xp, Not really sure if you are joking or not
[21:55] <xp> Lartza: I serious
[21:55] <artok> that is like.. woah
[21:55] <Lartza> Just as a fun project or why?
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[21:56] <xp> Lartza: fun + redundancy
[21:56] <Lartza> The Pi is super slow for a raid setup
[21:56] <artok> would use network drives and just usb boot
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[21:57] <xp> Lartza: How slow are we talking here?
[21:57] <Lartza> 300mbps shared with the ethernet
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[21:59] <xp> Lartza: I'm not looking for speed, I just want a safe backup. If I get 10MB/s I'm more than happy
[22:00] <Lartza> raid isn't a backup
[22:00] <xp> Lartza: I'll get two 8G USB drives, put them in RAID1, install the most basic OS and set up a Gogs server
[22:00] <xp> Lartza: Of course not, haha
[22:01] <Lartza> Then why do you expect to get a "safe backup" from RAID
[22:02] <xp> Lartza: have you heard of RAID1?
[22:02] <Lartza> Yes
[22:04] <artok> seems like overkill
[22:04] <Lartza> It's not a backup
[22:05] <Lartza> It's not even overkill because it's not serving the purpose xp wants
[22:06] <xp> Lartza: Why not?
[22:06] <Lartza> xp, You said you want a backup
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[22:06] <Lartza> RAID is redundancy, not a backup
[22:06] <Lartza> You delete a file, it's gone
[22:07] <Lartza> A file corrupts, it's corrupted on the whole array
[22:07] <Lartza> Every corruption is mirrored
[22:07] <artok> when talking about speeds with RPi
[22:07] <xp> Lartza: I work the files on my computer, on the pi I will setup a git server. Why would data corrupt?
[22:08] <Lartza> xp, Corruption can always happen
[22:08] <Lartza> Why do you need RAID if nothing will corrupt?
[22:08] <Lartza> (Assuming RAID is a backup here)
[22:08] <Lartza> artok, RAID1 doesn't add speed though?
[22:08] <Lartza> only 0 and 5 do, except not on the Pi
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[22:09] <xp> Lartza: I've lost data a few times due drive death, I suppose keeping data in RAID1 would be a good idea
[22:09] <xp> Lartza: corruption doesn't seem that likely
[22:09] <Lartza> No, keeping a backup of the files would be
[22:09] <artok> Lartza: well that was the point. why to try raid drivers on rpi because the speed isn't what you'll get
[22:10] <Lartza> artok, RAID1 isn't about speed, it's about redundancy
[22:10] <Lartza> Every write is performed on both drives
[22:10] <xp> Lartza: If I am to keep a backup of my files, why not in a RAID1?
[22:10] <artok> but redundant would be better to handle outside rpi
[22:10] <Lartza> xp, RAID IS NOT A BACKUP
[22:10] <Lartza> It's RAID
[22:10] <Lartza> artok, Maybe
[22:11] <Lartza> For instance, you could have a RAID1 NAS and store your Pi backups on that :P
[22:11] <Lartza> xp, It's a single point of failure, a single drive
[22:11] <artok> NAS! that was the word I was missing
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[22:12] <xp> Lartza: A single drive? There will be two USB sticks, that's the point of it
[22:12] <Lartza> xp, It's still a single point of failure
[22:12] <xp> Lartza: and I don't quite understand why you keep saying "RAID is not backup". No one said it was.
[22:12] <Lartza> It's not a backup it's amirror
[22:13] <Lartza> You just said it
[22:13] <Lartza> <xp> Lartza: If I am to keep a backup of my files, why not in a RAID1?
[22:13] <xp> Lartza: If I say I will keep a backup of my files in a disk, am I calling the disk a backup?
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[22:14] <xp> Lartza: It's a disk, it stores data.
[22:14] <Lartza> ...
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[22:14] <Lartza> Of course it's a backup
[22:14] <Lartza> Any backup data is backup
[22:14] <Lartza> Data on a RAID1 disk 1 isn't backed up on disk 2
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[22:16] <xp> Lartza: RAID1 protects the data from drive failure, my main point of concern
[22:17] <Lartza> On a RPi you're almost as likely to hit filesystem corruption
[22:17] <Lartza> Are you going to use USB as your root filesystem?
[22:17] <xp> Lartza: Yes
[22:18] <Lartza> That's even more reason to just back it up
[22:18] <artok> oh that fsck after so many switch off..
[22:19] <xp> Lartza: I will backup on the RAID
[22:19] <Lartza> That's not a backup
[22:19] <artok> so you're having usb root and then another two usb sticks raided for backup?
[22:19] <Lartza> I mean that would be fine but even slower :P
[22:20] <Lartza> http://www.petemarovichimages.com/2013/11/24/never-use-a-raid-as-your-backup-system/
[22:20] <Lartza> https://blog.open-e.com/why-raid-is-not-a-backup/
[22:20] <xp> I will use the same USBs for root and backup. There will be different partitions
[22:21] <artok> woaaah
[22:21] <Lartza> That doesn't even make sense
[22:21] <Lartza> Now you're just doubling your failure chances pretty much
[22:21] <artok> that is like worst way of doing that
[22:21] <Lartza> Because your backups and your root filesystem can fail
[22:22] <xp> Lartza: the backup does not depend on the root filesystem
[22:22] <artok> physically?
[22:22] <Lartza> No, but it depends on the RAID array and the same two drives
[22:22] <Lartza> a SINGLE raid array (thus the single point of failure)
[22:24] <artok> raid is to keep things running (5) after hd failure, and hotswap to be able to change the drive on the fly
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[22:24] <Lartza> (5)?
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[22:25] <artok> raid 5
[22:25] <Lartza> That just combines speed and redundancy
[22:25] <Lartza> raid1 keeps you running after a drive failure
[22:26] <Lartza> Then you can check your files for consistency and restore anything that's broken from your backup, with little to no downtime :P
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[22:28] <artok> I see no point doing 3 or less disk arrays if raid is used anyway =)
[22:29] <Lartza> Why would you need more arrays?
[22:29] <Lartza> Or well, you do if you need more space and are using the highest capacity drive but
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[22:30] <Habbie> i think artok meant 'arrays of 4 or more drives', not '4 arrays'
[22:30] <artok> that
[22:30] <artok> thanks
[22:31] <Habbie> note that raid5 also has an upper limit of what is useful
[22:31] <Habbie> somewhere around 8 or 10 i recall
[22:32] <Lartza> artok, Well for a home user, it's quite unlikely to break two drives simultaneously if you're running say RAID1
[22:33] <Lartza> Just be sure to replace it right away
[22:33] <Lartza> On serious use, two drives is not enough redundancy
[22:35] <artok> backup to tape!
[22:35] <Lartza> raid array of tapes ;)
[22:35] <Lartza> Tapes are REALLY expensive :S
[22:36] <Lartza> Not really viable for home use because of the price
[22:37] <Lartza> Just take backups and pray to the HDD gods your live drive and backup don't fail simultaneously
[22:37] <Lartza> Ideally have two backups though :P
[22:37] <Lartza> One in the cloud since it's 2018
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[22:39] <artok> every week, the differential of backups I have is about 50G
[22:39] <artok> software updates, works, music I have bought
[22:40] <Lartza> I always just back up data and configs
[22:40] <Lartza> When I do, I've yet to automate my desktop or my server :S
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[22:43] <xp> What if I keep my incremental backups on a RAID1?
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[22:44] <Lartza> xp, If you have a drive, and a raid array, and you take backups that you keep on the RAID array then that is a valid backup solution
[22:44] <Lartza> *backups of that drive
[22:45] <Lartza> Debatable if the RAID is useful or not but it's not acting as a backup there
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[22:46] <Lartza> Or maybe not useful, but at least it's case by case if it's needed
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[22:51] <xp> Lartza: I guess I'll just keep a copy of my files somewhere else then
[22:51] <xp> Lartza: On a RAID1! hahaha
[22:51] <Lartza> :P
[22:51] <Lartza> Backing up commonly happens to a NAS, that runs a raid
[22:52] <Lartza> And that's totally fine, you're not relying on the raid as a backup
[22:52] <Lartza> Of course you'll have the same problems if your files corrupt on the raid array but that's why you never delete files you back up, otherwise it's not a backup anymore :P
[22:53] <xp> Lartza: That's where git comes in
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[22:54] <Lartza> It can at least
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[22:55] <Lartza> Would not necessarily store my backups as Git LFS but :P
[22:55] <Lartza> Btw this raid situation is the same with syncing
[22:56] <Lartza> Syncing is not backing up, say Dropbox or Google Drive and such
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[22:57] <Lartza> Stay safe everyone and keep backups, I'm going to back up my memories of the day
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