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IRC Log for 2018-07-24

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[0:00] <dougquaid> thanks, that helped
[0:00] <Syliss> anyone using a 3.5" screen on theirs?
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[0:16] <wigums> htop would tell you too by number of cores and amount of mem
[0:18] <norwood67> hi, which key am i looking for in vcgencmd otp_dump to tell is the program_usb_boot_timeout has been set?
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[0:20] <mfa298> wigums: cores and ram won't tell you much about what model of Pi someone has.
[0:21] <wigums> 1-2-3 all have diff hardware no?
[0:25] <mfa298> 2 and three will look the same. Zero and 1B+ will look the same (and possibly some 1A+)
[0:25] <shauno> I figure if they'd memorized the default clock speed for every release, they probably wouldn't be asking
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[0:26] <mfa298> overall I think there's 3 combos of cores/ram all of which could match at least two models (1c/256MB, 1c/512MB, 4c/1GB)
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[1:00] <piesquared> Hello?
[1:01] <BurtyB> hello
[1:01] <piesquared> i have some questions about RPis...
[1:02] <piesquared> You know how to NOT blow your pi up when you hook a motor to it? heh
[1:02] <piesquared> I would like to not have my rpi blow up.
[1:03] <piesquared> Theres a way to do it witha breadboard, but i cant find it online and i have no idea.
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[1:05] <piesquared> Did i come to the right place?
[1:05] <BurtyB> prob less likely to kill the pi with a motor control HAT/pHAT
[1:05] <piesquared> Ah, there you are. ;P
[1:06] <piesquared> I knew it was something like that, i know exactly what they look like, but i could not remember the name at all. Thanks!
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[1:07] <BurtyB> piesquared, heh this is IRC where conversations can take days ;) and I'm off to kip now but I'm sure someone else will be along soon with more of a clue on pi+motors :)
[1:07] <piesquared> Thanks.
[1:07] <piesquared> You know xerox123? i know him from a different server
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[1:10] <piesquared> You know how to NOT blow your pi up when you hook a motor to it?
[1:10] <piesquared> Theres a way to do it witha breadboard, but i cant find it online and i have no idea.
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[1:11] <piesquared> WB
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[1:13] <piesquared> Hello?
[1:13] <piesquared> You know how to NOT blow your pi up when you hook a motor to it?
[1:13] <piesquared> Theres a way to do it witha breadboard, but i cant find it online and i have no idea.
[1:14] <Khaytsus> piesquared: why do you keep repeating yourself?
[1:15] <piesquared> Because new people come, and i couldnt find the last one on amazon...
[1:15] <piesquared> But i shall stop.
[1:16] <piesquared> Im looking for something cheaper, because i have a very limented bugdet.
[1:17] <mfa298> piesquared: normally on IRC ask the question and then wait, people often join and idle so will see what's been said when they look next.
[1:17] <norwood67> what kind of a motor?
[1:18] <piesquared> Eh, im new to this irc...
[1:18] <piesquared> Um...
[1:18] <piesquared> A dc motor for a raspberry pi, i think i got a link somewhere...
[1:19] <piesquared> two of those motors, and one stepper motor.
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[1:20] <piesquared> https://www.adafruit.com/product/858 thats the stepper motor...
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[1:21] <artok> motor drivers are needed, and then pwm to control them. personally I got servopi zero and some BTS7960B based motor drivers
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[1:23] <norwood67> pleasquared: adafruits has instructions for all of their parts
[1:23] <piesquared> PWM... i was gonna get the thing that acually goes on the breadboard
[1:24] <norwood67> scroll down on that link for their library
[1:24] <norwood67> oh, they have instructionrs for ardunino
[1:24] <piesquared> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DRMBZXX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2SGXW2SLA69SQ&psc=1
[1:24] <piesquared> Aannd the other motors.
[1:27] <norwood67> plesquared: i can't answer your questions without quite a bit of research myself. adafruit.com has tons of docs and forums. if you purchased it directly from them, i'd call or email them your questions. if you didn't you might still email them, they are very friendly.
[1:27] <piesquared> Well, i wanna know what to get before i get it, i havent gottenit. Ill figure it out.
[1:28] <norwood67> call them
[1:28] <piesquared> Thanks. I wanted to build a robot like thing with three wheels.
[1:28] <norwood67> cool, raspberries are great fun!
[1:29] <piesquared> And, would you say i should get an ultrasonic sensor for seeing if there is a drop off?
[1:29] <piesquared> Because thats the only sensor i thought of that could do that, then again... i am new to all this stuff...
[1:31] <norwood67> you could, i personally would just start with wheels and maybe an ultrasonic sensor for walls
[1:31] <piesquared> Yeah, thats what i thought.
[1:32] <norwood67> their kits are nice...i find kits fun ot get started so you can get building without quite as many struggles at piecemeal
[1:33] <piesquared> How would i power the motors?
[1:33] <piesquared> battery packs?
[1:33] <piesquared> Because powering them might be a tad to much for the RPi.
[1:33] <norwood67> depends on the motor and if it will draw to much if you hook the power directly rp
[1:33] <norwood67> right
[1:34] <artok> I'd say that no, don't power motors from rpi =)
[1:34] <norwood67> right
[1:35] <piesquared> So how would i power it from the battery packs? Because i dont want current going back to the pi throught the GPIO pins.
[1:36] <artok> that is meant to be just for the logic system in the end
[1:36] <artok> piesquared: motor drivers do that...
[1:36] <piesquared> As you can clearly see, i have next to no experience. :D
[1:37] <norwood67> i like kits for an area i'm not at
[1:37] <norwood67> not=new
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[1:37] <artok> piesquared: you control them with logic power supply that you can use pi 3.3 or 5V outputs, but then there is another circuit that is the power for motors
[1:38] <piesquared> got it.
[1:38] * phinxy undervoltage detected! 00000500005
[1:39] <norwood67> pump up the power, pump up the power, dance dance
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[1:39] <piesquared> Also, would any programming language work to control these?
[1:39] <piesquared> Like... Python?
[1:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[1:40] <piesquared> Yay!
[1:40] <HrdwrBoB> google python pi gpio
[1:40] <phinxy> Its grrrrrreat
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[1:41] <norwood67> phinxy, i was getting undervoltage, the Amps was to low on the power supply i had
[1:42] <piesquared> Will most arduino products work with the RPi?
[1:43] <phinxy> norwood67: Did you manage to get the amps up?
[1:43] <artok> heh.. I just completed my circuit board and hopefully I won't get any undervoltage. car battery, stepdown dc-dc and then also regulators with capacitors to even out the voltage flux =)
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[1:44] <akk> piesquared: If they can work with 3.3v and not just 5v.
[1:44] <artok> piesquared: and even if they work on 5v, you can add logic level converter
[1:44] <norwood67> yes, i found a dongle that had 5v 2a instead of 5v 1.5a and that solved the problem
[1:44] <piesquared> Kay.
[1:46] <piesquared> https://www.amazon.com/Controller-H-Bridge-Arduino-Optimus-Electric/dp/B077LV4W5Z/ref=sr_1_15?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1532389440&sr=1-15&keywords=motor+controller+arduino So that would work with the motor link?
[1:47] <akk> piesquared: Probably, though you can also get motor drivers intended specifically for RPi.
[1:48] <piesquared> I go for cheap.
[1:48] <piesquared> And thats cheap.
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[1:50] <akk> If you really want cheap, buy chips, like https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1054684_-1
[1:51] <akk> though that doesn't take care of the heat sink issue if you need that.
[1:51] <norwood67> curious plesquared: why cheap as possible?
[1:52] <piesquared> Because i am a middleschooler that has very little money.
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[1:54] <piesquared> I dont need heat sinks, i wound a great deal on a case with a fan.
[1:55] <piesquared> $3 i think.
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[1:55] <akk> I've used those H-bridge chips to drive dual DC motors. I haven't used them for steppers, for steppers I've only used things like https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-DC-5V-Stepper-Motor-28BYJ-48-ULN2003-Driver-Test-Module-Board-for-Arduino/321779670958
[1:55] <akk> (which work fine with RPi as well as arduino)
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[1:56] <piesquared> If i put a rpi 0w on the robot, would that work?
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[1:57] <norwood67> brb, seeing if i can get this rpi to boot int usbmode
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[1:58] <chris_99> usbmode?
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[2:03] <akk> Sure, piesquared. Fair warning, I've blown out a 0w driving motors on a robotic car and I'm still not sure why, if it was a spike that got through the motor controller, or a problem with the voltage regulator.
[2:03] <piesquared> Oh joy..
[2:04] <piesquared> You know, inthink i wanna get some insurence thing for my yet to be bought rpi.
[2:04] <akk> One area where pis are a lot less robust than arduinos, I've never managed to blow out an arduino.
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[2:05] <akk> It was probably my cheap ebay voltage regulator. Shrug.
[2:05] <norwood67> ugh, i'm so confused by the usb mode
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[2:14] <piesquared> Yay for hdmi female to female adapters! saved me 5 dollars!
[2:16] <mfa298> norwood67: if that's the boot it over usb thing, then it seems to be poorly documented if you want to use it to boot a pi
[2:16] <norwood67> yeah
[2:16] <norwood67> poorly documented....
[2:17] <norwood67> and some outdated
[2:17] <norwood67> but i just got it to boot and both boot and / are on the sda drive
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[2:18] <norwood67> i need the sdcard to get the initial boot going. the usb drive takes 6 seconds for the light to come on when power is added
[2:18] <norwood67> i think if i get an external powered case, that might elimiate that issue
[2:20] <mfa298> that might be different to what I was thinking of for usbboot. filesystems on usb shouldnt be too hard but you need to have at least bootcode.bin on the sd card.
[2:21] <norwood67> mfa298: maybe. i got the impression from a couple of blogs that you didn't even need an sd card and the docs kind of imply.
[2:21] <mfa298> there is also a usbboot thing where you can squirt the firmware and kernel into the zero over usb using some special code on the host - that's the thing that really is poorly documented
[2:22] <norwood67> ah
[2:22] <phinxy> Try get a Pine Rock64 to boot over PXE then come back talk about poor documentation :P
[2:22] <mfa298> only the Pi3 (and a few nerwe Pi2's) can boot without the sd card
[2:22] <norwood67> i have 12 zeros but don't want to even think about adding usb drives to them.
[2:23] <norwood67> i just slap a new drive in it, and push the updates
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[2:25] <mfa298> for the 3b+ you should be able to write the rasbian image to a usb device and boot. For the Pi3 you need to set an otp bit (which means booting from an SD once)
[2:26] <norwood67> mfa298. right. i have a 3bv1.2 so it should work that way but didn't....many many tries
[2:26] <norwood67> again, i don't think the usb drive is active fast enough
[2:27] <norwood67> but using the sdcard for now is fine. i have a ton of them laying around
[2:28] <mfa298> I just realised I was getting confused as to what you said - I thought you had mentioned a zero earlier but I think that was from someone else
[2:28] <norwood67> :)
[2:28] <norwood67> no worries...
[2:28] <norwood67> its confusing
[2:28] <mfa298> there might be another otp bit that makes it poll for longer if your waiting for rust to spin up
[2:29] <norwood67> yes, but it moves it from 2 secs to 5 seconds
[2:29] <norwood67> the active light on the hard drive takes 6 secodns to come on
[2:29] <norwood67> mfa298: i like all suggestions
[2:30] <norwood67> brb, taco run
[2:30] <norwood67> can i get you one?
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[2:39] <TinkerTiger> Hello!
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[2:44] <piesquared> Back.
[2:45] <piesquared> Whats a battery pack that works with the rpi 0 w?
[2:47] <Khaytsus> Anything that ouptuts 5v
[2:47] <TinkerTiger> If the 0W runs on the same 5v the others do then any of the UPS packs out there should work, I'd think.
[2:49] <piesquared> Can you make a program to see the battery percentage?
[2:49] <TinkerTiger> I eventually will get one but have not gotten that far in any of my projects yet.
[2:50] <piesquared> That woulds sure be nice..
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[2:52] <TinkerTiger> If you can test incoming voltage on the UTG port, you could. Othersie you might have to modify a test circuit to send output to the GPIO.
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[2:52] <TinkerTiger> I have not seen it done on the Pi yet.
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[2:56] <Khaytsus> The problem with the UPS's for Pi's I've seen is they can shut down the Pi on a power event (gracefully) but none of them seem to power the pi back _up_, you have to hit a switch
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[2:58] <TinkerTiger> I have not looked into the UPSs because I need longer battery life so I was going to use my 12v gel cell and a step dwn circuit to 5v.
[3:00] <TinkerTiger> For starters I was going to try some7v batteries I have but I need to run a pi for several hours on battery.
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[3:01] <Khaytsus> What I personally want is the pi to have a graceful shut down but start back up when power is back.
[3:01] <Khaytsus> effectively using the UPS as a buffer
[3:01] <TinkerTiger> Yeah.
[3:03] <TinkerTiger> Before I get to my battery experimentation, I need to learn how to bind a kernel driver to a usb device. Heh. I was abl to install the driver but I don't know how to tell the Pi to use it with this particular device.
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[3:06] <TinkerTiger> I was thinking that I would need to write a udev rule but I haven't found the answer yet.
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[4:02] <piesquared> And im back.
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[4:09] <swift110> hey piesquared
[4:09] <piesquared> Hi.
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[4:11] <swift110> how are you piesquared
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[4:12] <piesquared> If i make a raspberry pi robot that can move and has a google assistant on it and something where it follows you around, would it sell?
[4:12] <piesquared> Good.
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[4:20] <piesquared> swift110?
[4:20] <piesquared> Still there?
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[4:26] <piesquared> Anyone there?
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[4:32] <EdLin> I just ordered an adafruit display for my rpi so I can see a little of what it's doing when it's running pi-hole. :)
[4:33] <EdLin> https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/056/413/large1024/adafruit_products_IMG_4263.jpg?1530121714
[4:34] <EdLin> it'll be an interesting small project.
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[4:35] <piesquared> nice.
[4:35] <piesquared> Which one?
[4:35] <piesquared> I found a great one on amazon.
[4:36] <piesquared> For a robot i am going to build and hopefully market.
[4:37] <piesquared> Wanna buy one? heh...
[4:37] <EdLin> I just linked a picture of it, Adafruit TFTPi Plus for RPi 2/3/etc I think it is.
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[4:38] <piesquared> Oh, nice
[4:38] <EdLin> it has a resistive touch screen and is 3.5", I won't be using the touchscreen much I think though.
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[4:39] <EdLin> the main reason why I got it is it had the best resolution for the application that interfaces with pi-hole I'm using.
[4:39] <EdLin> 320z800
[4:39] <piesquared> My robot will have a google assistant thing, and laser eyes, (i mean, who doesnt like that?) and it will follow you around... if i can get the tracking sensor to work... wont bump into anything... can play music...
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[4:40] <EdLin> piesquared, now that is really awesome.
[4:40] <piesquared> All outta a rpi 0 w.
[4:40] <piesquared> Preloaded with everything.
[4:40] <piesquared> And prebuilt.
[4:40] <EdLin> yeah, the pi 0 can do a lot... It can even do pi-hole also, though usually with a smaller hat for display purposes if you do that.
[4:41] <EdLin> if I'd known the pi zero could handle this, I wouldn't have gotten the 3b+
[4:41] <piesquared> And, it *might* come with a small 2 inch or so display.
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[4:41] <piesquared> The pi zero is NOT very powerfull.
[4:41] <piesquared> But i think it can do this
[4:42] <EdLin> it's powerful enough for a mini-dns-server application like this.
[4:42] <piesquared> I guess.
[4:42] <EdLin> adafruit has a pi zero project for pi-hole.
[4:42] <EdLin> The pi zero is approximately the same power as the original Pi.
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[4:42] <piesquared> It would just be made out of wood though, dont have any plastic.
[4:43] <EdLin> wood? Doesn't that have static discharge?
[4:43] <EdLin> bad for components
[4:43] <piesquared> Umm...
[4:43] <piesquared> Hmm.
[4:43] <piesquared> Dunno.
[4:43] <EdLin> it might not last as long as you'd like if it has a wood case.
[4:44] <piesquared> Well, what would the case be?
[4:44] <piesquared> Or even mounting.
[4:44] <EdLin> there's a reason why there's no "town and country" case computers ever.
[4:44] <piesquared> ...
[4:44] <EdLin> something like plastic or metal.
[4:44] <piesquared> True...
[4:44] * piesquared wonders how he can make a plastic case.
[4:45] <EdLin> 3d printer
[4:45] <EdLin> but that would drive up the budget...
[4:45] <piesquared> Yeah...
[4:45] <piesquared> My library has one.
[4:45] <EdLin> try using it then.
[4:45] <piesquared> Forget the price...
[4:45] <EdLin> awesome library btw
[4:46] <EdLin> what library is it, if you don't mind my asking?
[4:46] <piesquared> You wanna buy one if i ever finish it? :P
[4:46] <piesquared> I do.
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[4:46] <EdLin> ok
[4:46] <piesquared> Its a very cool library thats not in a big city.
[4:46] <EdLin> I might buy it if I can afford it, and it's not out of wood. :P
[4:46] <piesquared> Heh.
[4:47] <piesquared> Whats affordable?
[4:47] <piesquared> Id have to get a soldering iron...
[4:47] <EdLin> to me? It depends on how my budget goes in a given month.
[4:47] <piesquared> forgotabout that.
[4:48] <piesquared> And, it will be a year or two.
[4:48] <EdLin> piesquared, I know how to solder NASAspec, or at least, knew how to 25 years ago. Learned it in a electronics technician program with a co-op with a NASA base.
[4:48] <piesquared> Cool.
[4:48] <piesquared> I can learn...
[4:48] <EdLin> it's like milspec except more rigorous, because you can't repair something in space usually
[4:49] <piesquared> What other features could i out on.
[4:49] <piesquared> ..
[4:49] <EdLin> simple soldering isn't hard, a really good solder joint tho takes practice.
[4:50] <EdLin> it isn't the hardest thing ever tho. :)
[4:50] <piesquared> What could i do for it to not fall down stairs or something.
[4:50] <EdLin> that's tricky, AI for stairs is a difficult problem.
[4:50] <piesquared> Tilt sensor...
[4:50] <EdLin> just get it to avoid stairs, because climbing up and down them is a Hard Problem in AI
[4:51] <piesquared> I will have a ultrasonic sensor.. Would one of those work?
[4:51] <EdLin> I mean, someone recently achieved it, but replicating it would not be simple
[4:51] <piesquared> No, i dont think i could do that.
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[4:52] <EdLin> make it say "quit stairing at me!" if it is being told to climb stairs... make it pun. ;-)
[4:52] <piesquared> Something where it realizes to stop and says something like “I cant go up or down stairs.
[4:52] <piesquared> Hmm.
[4:52] <piesquared> But how would it see the stairs?
[4:52] <EdLin> that's a bit tricky going down.
[4:53] <EdLin> upstairs wouldn't be too hard.
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[4:53] <EdLin> (making it see stairs that go up is easier than spotting ones that go down)
[4:53] <piesquared> I dont rant it to go up or down, but i want it to not try to.
[4:54] <piesquared> So it would stop at the stairs.
[4:54] <EdLin> yup
[4:54] <EdLin> make it just not like cliffs in general
[4:54] <piesquared> What sensor tho?
[4:54] <EdLin> tilt I would think would help
[4:54] <EdLin> for down
[4:54] <piesquared> Yeah.
[4:54] <EdLin> for up, some sort of ultrasonic
[4:55] <piesquared> Ultrasonic would do it forthat
[4:55] <piesquared> Which i will already have
[4:55] <piesquared> GTG in 5 minutes.
[4:56] <EdLin> ok, sounds like a great project. Good lukc.
[4:56] <EdLin> luck*
[4:56] <piesquared> Yeah.
[4:56] <piesquared> What shoudl i call it?
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[4:56] <piesquared> PiBot?
[4:56] <EdLin> Botberry Pi?
[4:56] <piesquared> That might be already sptaken.
[4:56] <EdLin> :(
[4:56] <piesquared> Taken.
[4:57] <piesquared> Thats just silly now. :P
[4:57] <EdLin> Raspbot?
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[4:58] <HrdwrBoB> bottypi
[4:58] <HrdwrBoB> bottymcpiface
[4:58] <EdLin> Intelipi
[4:59] <piesquared> Maybe,
[4:59] <EdLin> AIpi
[4:59] <piesquared> What
[4:59] <piesquared> oops
[4:59] <piesquared> What tracking device?
[4:59] <piesquared> Wonder if i could do it with bluetooth...
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[4:59] <piesquared> gtg
[5:00] <EdLin> bluetooth goes 40ft max
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[5:00] <EdLin> bye
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[5:23] <sky> anyone have a link to the latest lite torrent?
[5:23] <sky> downloads.rpi.org says its too busy for that
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[5:24] <sky> oh yay its workin
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[5:54] <arahael> Has anyone set up an RPi as a wifi router?
[5:54] <arahael> (Does it even make sense to do so?)
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[7:35] <duoi> arahael it doesnt
[7:36] <arahael> Glad I asked - thanks!
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[10:28] <finalbeta> Hi, I'm on an up to date system (8.0) and a software package required perl module NET::ping. I can't find a package for it and I'm wondering what the best method would be to install a perl module on raspbian. (Does a package exist, do I need to do this through cpan?)
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[10:33] <Lartza> finalbeta, It should be included with perl
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[10:41] <Alvaros> Hello everyone, hope all is well in the PI world
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[10:43] <finalbeta> Lartza, are you sure? Command "sudo perl -MNET::Ping -e 1" Results in "Can't locate NET/Ping.pm in @INC (you may need to install the NET::Ping module)"
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[10:44] <Lartza> finalbeta, It should be in perl-modules-5.24 that is required by perl
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[10:46] <mfa298> also if that's rasbian 8.0 (jessie) that's not the latest raspbian version, we've been on stretch (9) for a year
[10:47] <Lartza> Oh true :S Is stretch even updated anymore?
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[10:50] <mfa298> stretch (9) is, I don't think Jessie (8) gets many updates in raspbian
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[10:50] <Lartza> Oh yeah mixed them up even if... doh
[10:51] <Lartza> I just know that there is no security team for Raspbian, so something like wheezy was totally dead even before it's Debian support ended
[10:51] <Lartza> And thus a potentional security risk, as jessie might be now
[10:52] <mfa298> finalbeta: try Net::Ping rather than NET
[10:53] <Lartza> Seems it's Net/Ping.pm in jessie with 5.20 and NET/Ping.pm in stretch with 5.24
[10:53] <Lartza> So might actually work
[10:53] <Lartza> Wait no it's Net in both
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[11:04] <finalbeta> thanks guys, guess I got some more work then I figured :)
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[11:09] <goose> 'raspberry pi remote power control' wasn't very helpful
[11:10] <Habbie> first, you need some way to power cycle the server
[11:10] <Habbie> then, you need to control that form the pi
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[11:49] <chris_99> hi, is anyone using tensorflow on the pi, via pip, i notice via pip afaik it seems to want python 3.4?
[11:49] <chris_99> rather than 3.5?
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[11:49] <chris_99> as i get this runtime error
[11:49] <chris_99> "/usr/lib/python3.5/importlib/_bootstrap.py:222: RuntimeWarning: compiletime version 3.4 of module 'tensorflow.python.framework.fast_tensor_util' does not match runtime version 3.5"
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[12:01] <waveform> chris_99, can you remember when installing via pip if it downloaded the wheel from piwheels?
[12:03] <chris_99> ah, i can't is one more up to date than the other?
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[12:05] <chris_99> oh wait, sorry i thought you meantioned two locations then doh, yeah i think it was piwheels
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[12:08] <max12345> hey there my raspi wasn't connecting to my network anymore, I set something in the gui "network preferences" so that's fixed, but it shows as "-" in my router's listing. I can connect to it, I know what it is, but I'd prefer a more verbose name. What do I do? Thanks in advance.
[12:10] <chris_99> Downloading https://www.piwheels.org/simple/tensorflow/tensorflow-1.9.0-cp35-none-linux_armv7l.whl (66.7MB)
[12:10] <chris_99> is where it came
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[12:12] <chris_99> "If you're running with Python 3.5, you may see a warning when you first import TensorFlow. This is not an error, and TensorFlow should continue to run with no problems, despite the log message." oh nvm heh
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[12:19] <phiofx> Hi folks, I want to experiment with a Pi cluster (~16-25 nodes) and the Pi Zero W would be just the perfect building block. I understand that due to educational pricing its only possible to get one, but is there any "non-educational" supplier. It would still be much better than the bigger models... Any ideas
[12:21] <mfa298> you should be able to get the ZeroWH in quantities greater than 1 from most places
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> and I think you can approach the foundation directly for 25+ units at a time.
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> even so, buying 3 or 4 day from different suppliers will only take a week.
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> (it's not one, but one a day)
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> I've bought a few dozen Zeros, but not all bought at the same time...
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[12:28] <BurtyB> phiofx, I guess it depends on postage costs but you could just buy them in bulk with headers
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> basically it boils down to: it's a no-issue, just deal with it. and when you get the first 3 or 4 from different suppliers you can start the experimenting while waiting on the rest to arrive.
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[12:34] <erm3nda> phiofx, ecucational price means "we can't produce them faster" :D at that price
[12:35] <erm3nda> i was surprised about that reality. just limited to 1 pi it's kinda ridiculuous
[12:35] <erm3nda> game boy manufacturers should stop doing shit and produce more pi :D
[12:36] <erm3nda> <gordonDrogon> (it's not one, but one a day) - LOL
[12:37] <erm3nda> i saw many Pi zerow at ebay, not that cheap, but well, case, etc...
[12:37] <mfa298> erm3nda: officially I believe it's one per customer (except for the WH) but in general that's interpreted as one per order
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[12:38] <erm3nda> oh. thx
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[12:38] <erm3nda> i really like rpi's as dektop computer. noiseless
[12:39] <mfa298> and there is little or no profit margin on the Zero which is why there's a limit. Weekly production might be limited but I suspect the weekly Zero output is greater than the total sold of a product by most of the Chinese variations.
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[12:39] <erm3nda> right now i am using it. as irc bouncer plus a client :-) and a browser
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[12:39] <erm3nda> mine lools like a bomb detonator (because the wifi antenna) :D
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[12:43] <phiofx> BurtyB: thanks, didn't realize that WH is available in bulk.
[12:49] <phiofx> gordonDrogon: :-) at some point the cost of personal time exceeds the hardware costs :-). ideally would like a single order from a single supplier also to manage any defects etc. but got some good suggestions here
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> just checked and it's one per order. if you wanted to place 25 separate orders with e.g. pimoroni, then you'll get 25 the next day.
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[13:08] <phiofx> gordonDrogon: thanks, hope to be reporting here if the project succeeds :-)
[13:09] <erm3nda> thx
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> phiofx, clustering Pi's isn't new. it's at least 6.5 years old now.
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> I helped with an experiment way back - it took 10 Pi's to keep up with a single laptop then (calculating Pi, of-course)
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> so it's great for a little academic excercise.
[13:16] <erm3nda> gordonDrogon, said to experiment with pi's, not to invent anything :-(
[13:16] <erm3nda> there are already built cluster for pi for around 80$
[13:17] <erm3nda> i meant a board for clustering, with ports, etc
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> this may be of interest too: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/cluster-hat
[13:17] <chris_99> haha i like the fact it calculated pi
[13:17] <chris_99> what did you use for the distributed comms?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> no idea - I didn't set it up, just supplied some blank pi's.
[13:18] <erm3nda> lol. thats a nice tittle cluster hat
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> maybe there was a write up on it - I'll search the old lug archives...
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[13:18] <erm3nda> i saw one for 16 units
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[13:21] <friendofafriend> What is the endgame for the Pi Zero? Will I ever be able just to buy 20 of them?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> you can buy many - from what I gather you approach the foundation directly.
[13:21] <cluelessperson> friendofafriend: dunno, it's really frustrating that they were advertised as $5, but you can't buy more than one?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> can't buy more than one per order.
[13:22] <mfa298> you can get the WH from most places in bulk for a bit more than the W
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I suspect this is due to the margins being as small as a small thing, so the distys cover a tiny bit with postage and supply.
[13:23] <friendofafriend> I'm glad to have the few I do. They're neat devices and I'm extremely broke, it's all I use for projects.
[13:23] <phiofx> gordonDrogon: ha, ha, no its not about inventing pi clusters. actually this type of clustering goes back to 1994 :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster
[13:25] <mfa298> on pimoroni the WH is £12.82 vs £91.6 for the W, but you can add lots of the WH to your basket but limit of 1 for the W
[13:26] <chris_99> heh good point phiofx
[13:27] <friendofafriend> I have an ILI9325 like this one: https://www.elegoo.com/product/elegoo-uno-r3-2-8-inches-tft-touch-screen/ What is the smartest way to use it with a Raspberry Pi?
[13:29] <chris_99> i remember openmosix
[13:29] <chris_99> that was an interesting project
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[13:37] <phiofx> chris_99: I am thinking more of a loosely coupled collection of web servers exchanging data over http http://raspberrywebserver.com/raspberrypicluster/
[13:37] <chris_99> ah for load balancing type stuff?
[13:39] <phiofx> chris_99: yes, a mini private cloud of sorts to experiment with microservices, distribution of workloads etc. Cant wait to place the order but need to spec it out better first :-)
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[13:48] <mfa298> phiofx: there's better options for doing clustered web servers now. Personally I'd probably run haproxy on the load balancer and then look at something like docker to run apps etc on the cluster nodes.
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[13:52] <phiofx> mfa298: will check it out
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[14:16] <friendofafriend> A cluster of Raspberry Pis seems exciting for video encoding using the GPU.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> phiofx, 1994? Sorry - I was building clutters in '89...
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> heh.. and cluttered they certianly were!
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/cs2.gif is onme I helped build in 1992.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> you can of-course simulate clusters using Linux containers on a modest PC.
[14:26] <chris_99> aha nice
[14:26] <chris_99> what computer was that
[14:26] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, cool tho it does look a little like a row of old dishwashers or something :)
[14:27] <wigums> lol
[14:27] <chris_99> yeah lol
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> to give you an idea of scale it's 2m high.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> that was a Meiko CS2. It has 256 compute boards - each board had 128MB of RAM and a dual-core Sparc processor.
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> and a 1GB SCSI drive.
[14:28] <friendofafriend> What was its application, gordonDrogon?
[14:28] <chris_99> in 89?!
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> the separate stand-alone things were raid units - 3 LUNs of 20GB each IIRC.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> no - that was 92. in 89 it was transputers.
[14:29] <chris_99> ah sorry
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> friendofafriend, classified.
[14:29] <chris_99> transputer is a bristol thing right?
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> yes. I lived/worked ther.
[14:29] <chris_99> cool
[14:29] <chris_99> did transputer become xmos or is that a separate
[14:29] <chris_99> thing
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> not for inmos, but meiko - founded by ex inmos people.
[14:29] <arahael> k/bu24/buffer 24
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> xmos was foudned by another ex inmos person.
[14:30] <chris_99> ahh
[14:30] <chris_99> i wanted to play with one of the xmos boards, need to look into them again
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> there was a lot of spin-offs/cross pollination/etc. in Bristol in the 90's.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> division/pixelfusion/clearspeed to name some more I was involved with.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> Super-H was another, but I didn't work with them - actually turned down a job with them to move to Devon. Oh well.
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> all that technology...
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[14:52] <phiofx> gordonDrogon: it seems the cluster discussion unlocked quite a few memory cells (or is this regular occurence here :-)
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[15:03] <chris_99> i'm trying to play with a tensorflow cluster on pis atm :) just taking a while to install stuff
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> phiofx, it popps up once every now and then.
[15:17] <waveform> chris_99, sorry - just read your earlier responses and yes, that looks like it's the expected warning
[15:17] <waveform> (we've only recently added TF wheels to piwheels, but we're not the ones building them, unlike the opencv efforts)
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[15:18] <chris_99> ah gotcha, well that's cool you've added it :) ive got the mnist example running with it atm
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[17:07] <cjdc> hi guys, quick question: is it possible to send vendor_elements through the Wifi beacon on an AP? I'm not being able to do it and read somewhere that this wifi driver might not allow it
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[17:22] <TinkerTiger> Sorry, no help from me. I can't even get my wifi driver to bind to the dongle. :)
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[17:26] <erm3nda> cjdc, first of all, which wifi driver/device is you using?
[17:27] <erm3nda> and read somewhere that this wifi driver might not allow it -> back to main question, which device/driver, so it can be checked if can send modified beacon frames
[17:29] <Syliss> anyone using a 3.5" lcd on their pi?
[17:29] <erm3nda> not yet :-/ is on wishlist :D
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[17:30] <waveform> Syliss, I've used one in the past but not currently
[17:30] <cjdc> erm3nda: it's RPi 3, and the driver is brcmfmac
[17:30] <Syliss> ive been thinking about picking one up but idk which one yet
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[17:30] <Syliss> wanting to use it as a little portable system
[17:30] <erm3nda> cjdc, so, the built-in wifi
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[17:31] <erm3nda> cjdc, did u actually added them to the wpa_supplicant?
[17:31] <cjdc> yes
[17:31] <erm3nda> what exactly happend? any error? or just data not present in beacons?
[17:31] <cjdc> to the wpa_supplicant? no...I've added them to hostapd.conf, as vendor_elements=...
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[17:31] <erm3nda> same, is ok
[17:32] <erm3nda> any error with the config? or just data not present in frames?
[17:32] <cjdc> let me double check
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[17:32] <erm3nda> does hostapd start and work?
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[17:33] <waveform> Syliss, there are various caveats; for example the SPI driven displays can't (directly) display the camera preview (for various reasons), while I think the hyperpixel can but it uses up basically all the GPIO pins (because it's DPI) so you can't use them for anything else
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[17:34] <Syliss> waveform: i dont plan on using any of the gpio pins
[17:34] <waveform> in that case the hyperpixel may be worth looking at
[17:34] <Syliss> i plan on using it in my drone/quadcopter bag for field stuff
[17:34] <Syliss> since i can run betaflight config on it
[17:35] <Syliss> and i can use my st-link on it too
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[17:35] <Syliss> was looking at the screen/case kits
[17:36] <Syliss> then just strapping a thin-ish usb power back on the bottom to power it
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[17:36] <piesquared> Theres a nice screen on Amazon for $16.
[17:36] <piesquared> Not very big though.
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[17:40] <erm3nda> cjdc, this is the only real info i can get about your problem -> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/hostap/2016-September/036230.html
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[17:41] <erm3nda> somewhat like that vendor_elements are not passed if less than lengh 5 (bytes) or somewhat
[17:42] <cjdc> erm3nda: yes I've seen that
[17:42] <erm3nda> sure
[17:42] <cjdc> my VSIE is dd0bff22cc7465737463726973
[17:42] <cjdc> just for testing
[17:43] <erm3nda> should be enough
[17:43] <cjdc> what happens is that on the other side (RPi zero) I get "None" is the VSIE field
[17:44] <erm3nda> can't you try other wifi driver?
[17:46] <Syliss> piesquared: i only want something about the size of the pi itself
[17:46] <erm3nda> cjdc, did u checked manually the frame with wireshark or other?
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[17:47] <cjdc> erm3nda: I haven't used wireshark no...that's a but out of my skillset
[17:47] <cjdc> I've tried with other devices yes
[17:48] <piesquared> Yes...
[17:48] <erm3nda> cjdc, no rocket science, just a program with a GUI
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[17:48] <erm3nda> cjdc, im sure there are many others tools for that too
[17:48] <cjdc> for APs which do not have a VSIE, that field is not broadcasted. In my RPi, the field is broadcasted and the hexdump is there...but the value is wrong
[17:49] <piesquared> Syliss, heres the link:
[17:49] <erm3nda> maybe did u set it wrong?
[17:49] <piesquared> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IGBDT02/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2E7RYXKRFD586
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[17:49] <cjdc> double checking
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[17:50] <Syliss> piesquared yeah i saw that one
[17:51] <piesquared> Ah.
[17:51] <Syliss> ive been looking around just dont know when is a good one
[17:51] <piesquared> It is the size of the pi i think.
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[17:52] <piesquared> Syliss, what donyou want to use it for?
[17:54] <Syliss> a carry around system
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[17:54] <Syliss> like when im flying my quadcopters/drones and i need to program something
[17:54] <Syliss> or dump some dvr files
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[17:55] <Syliss> also random wifi mapping too
[17:55] <piesquared> Ah.
[17:55] <Syliss> maybe spectrum analyzer
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[17:55] <piesquared> This should work for that, has good reviews.
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[17:56] <cjdc> erm3nda: thanks for the help...I dunno what the problem is yet, will have a closer look tomorrow...the beacon is there but the content is not :s thanks anyway
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[17:57] <piesquared> I wonder if you can use that with a breadboard...
[17:58] <Syliss> to get gpio access?
[17:58] <piesquared> Yeah.
[17:59] <piesquared> Because i plan on using the GPIO pins.
[17:59] <erm3nda> cjdc, i think that the most common problem possible is to set the lenght wrong, for "testcris"
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[18:00] <Syliss> piesquared: i dont, i only need usb access really
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[18:01] <piesquared> Eh. I plan on getting the RPi 0 w for a robot i am going to make...
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[18:02] <piesquared> And it would need the screen, but i need rhe GPIO pins for the motors and ultrasonic sensor and the lasers..
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[18:03] <Syliss> i have a zero too but not the wifi one
[18:03] <Syliss> wish i did tho
[18:04] <Syliss> but the pi3 is so much faster
[18:04] <piesquared> And, you know if you can somehow put a usb in the GPIOs? Like on a breadboard, somehow.
[18:04] <Habbie> piesquared, i don't think so
[18:05] <piesquared> Rats.
[18:05] <Habbie> piesquared, why would you want to?
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[18:05] <piesquared> The Pi 0 w only has one usb port.
[18:05] <mfa298> fast things (like usb) and breadboard are generally incompatible.
[18:05] <Habbie> piesquared, so?
[18:05] <piesquared> Id need two, but i dont really want to use a usb hub.
[18:06] <Habbie> ah
[18:06] <Habbie> a breadboard will not magically hub for you
[18:06] <Habbie> a usb hub is not a passive device
[18:06] <piesquared> I figured.
[18:06] <mfa298> I think there's a phat with usb hub and more usb ports on it that would go under a Pi
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[18:06] <Habbie> i guess the physical story is that there is no hub inside the zero?
[18:07] <Syliss> people have taken a hub the size of the zero and soldered it to the header
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[18:07] <piesquared> Syliss, what RPi do you have?
[18:08] <mfa298> piesquared: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/iousbanalogue-expansion-1028/usb-expansion-1031/4-port-usb-hub-phat-for-raspberry-pi-zero
[18:08] <Habbie> piesquared, what are your two usb devices?
[18:08] <mfa298> not the one I was thinking of but ...
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[18:08] <Syliss> i have first run pi, 2 pi zeros (both pre wifi, one with cam header), and 2 pi3's
[18:08] <piesquared> Speakers and a mic.
[18:09] <piesquared> I could get some GPIO speakers and mic but...
[18:10] <piesquared> mfa298, Can that go on a breadboard?
[18:10] <mfa298> The usb hub for the Zero I was thinking of is the Zero4U https://www.adafruit.com/product/3298
[18:10] <mfa298> piesquared: usb uses high speed signals, breadboard and anything high speed isn't a good mix
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[18:11] <piesquared> Yeah, sorry, my brain is still in my bed...
[18:11] <erm3nda> Syliss, i saw somewhere a USB hub hat for zero
[18:12] <Habbie> erm3nda, mfa298 just linked to two
[18:12] <piesquared> Well, it would have to be less than a dollar.
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[18:12] <piesquared> I found a usb hub for a dollar.
[18:12] <erm3nda> soldering time is much more worth :D
[18:13] <piesquared> Might just solder that in.
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[18:14] <piesquared> The thing is, i am going to acually sell these robots... So... everything has to be nice and firm...
[18:14] <mfa298> not really sure where you're going to solder a hub to, usb it just on one of the microusb ports.
[18:14] <piesquared> To the shell of the bot.
[18:14] <piesquared> Or IDK
[18:15] <piesquared> Ill figure it out.™️
[18:16] <piesquared> The speakers and mic will be for a google assistant thing.
[18:16] <piesquared> I wonder if i could put a voice command in...
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[18:17] <piesquared> It will have lasers for eyes, just for fun... :P. If i could somehow do a command thats like Google, enable lasers!
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[18:20] <piesquared> Is there a way to do that? Because i have abolotely no idea.
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[18:23] <stiv> there is a board for that
[18:23] <Khaytsus> piesquared: Are you repeating your entire output from yesterday again?
[18:24] <piesquared> Huh?
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[18:29] <piesquared> stiv, what board?
[18:29] <stiv> on-board speech recognition. no need for connection to the cloud
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[18:31] <piesquared> there a spesific one your thinking of? And, does it come with instructions? :P
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[18:37] <piesquared> Syliss What RPi are you using for your drone?
[18:38] <stiv> piesquared, i don't have a link handy
[18:38] <piesquared> OK.
[18:38] <stiv> for any of this stuff, you will need some coding
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[18:41] <Syliss> piesquared none, im using standard quad parts
[18:41] <Syliss> the pi is just for programming and stuff
[18:41] <piesquared> Yeah, thats what i mean. Rhe one you want the screen for.
[18:41] <Syliss> if i can find a cheap enough windows intel tablet, ill use that instead
[18:41] <Syliss> mose likely pi3
[18:42] <Syliss> the zero is okay but not great for gui
[18:42] <piesquared> For your wifilessboard, they have good wifi adapters...
[18:42] <Syliss> at least it has more ram then my first run pi
[18:42] <Syliss> 256mb shared sucks
[18:42] <piesquared> Well, if you ever want a personal robot...
[18:43] <Syliss> lol
[18:43] <piesquared> Im your guy. lol
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[18:45] <piesquared> It will be about... 50-75-100 dollars.
[18:45] <Syliss> prolly not, my cats and carpet wont mix well
[18:46] <Syliss> plus my daughter would never leave it alone
[18:46] <piesquared> I got something for those cats...
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[18:46] <Syliss> lol
[18:46] <piesquared> LASERS!
[18:47] <piesquared> A anticat function... when enabled, it will shoot lasers at cats. with a infared sensor to target.
[18:47] <piesquared> heehee
[18:48] <piesquared> Ill get back to you on the carpet...
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[18:49] <piesquared> Anyway, ill be back later.
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[19:39] <piesquared> Back.
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[19:44] <TinkerTiger> Yay! Rejection letter!
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[19:45] <mlankhorst> can a shorted 3.3v line be recovered from?
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[19:45] <piesquared> No idea.
[19:46] <piesquared> Hi norwood67.
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[19:46] <norwood67> hi piesquared
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[19:47] <piesquared> I got a new feature for my robot.
[19:47] <piesquared> Cat entertaining fuction.
[19:47] <norwood67> cool, what is it?
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[19:47] <norwood67> lol
[19:47] <piesquared> Laser eyes.
[19:47] <norwood67> i'm sure you cat will love that
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[19:48] <piesquared> I dont have a cat.
[19:48] <piesquared> It will use infared as a targeting system.
[19:48] <piesquared> And, if i feel like it, i might make swiveling lasers.
[19:49] <piesquared> Did i tell you i plan on selling these?
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[19:50] <piesquared> Its gonna be called PiBot.
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[19:52] <norwood67> that is cool
[19:52] <norwood67> there are already some pibots out there
[19:52] <norwood67> but cool regardless
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[19:54] <norwood67> be careful with lasers, even cheap laser pointers can do eye damage.
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[19:56] <stiv> "WARNING: Do not look into laser beam with remaining good eye"
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[20:01] <TinkerTiger> If I'm going to waste my little remaining vision, it's going to be on a very expensive laser.
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[20:16] <nikos> Anyone knows where I can find images for a model A pi? I doubt the ones on the download page will work given that the cpu arch changed.
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[20:17] <shiftplusone> nikos: raspbian images run on every pi ever released.
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[20:17] <shiftplusone> at least on every pi released up until the release date of the image (an old image won't run on a new pi)
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[20:19] <nikos> Huh good to know thanks! I'll get an SD card and report back if I have any issues
[20:22] <shiftplusone> Good luck
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[22:01] <piesquared> I have a question... Can you connect a screen to a breadboard?
[22:02] <Lartza> Why not?
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[22:03] <piesquared> Just didnt onow if you could.
[22:03] <piesquared> like this one.
[22:03] <piesquared> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IGBDT02/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2E7RYXKRFD586
[22:04] <Lartza> Just poke wires to the used pins in the screen and poke the other end to a breadboard, done :P
[22:04] <piesquared> Yay!
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[22:05] <piesquared> I need it for a display for a robot.
[22:05] <Lartza> So you want to test it before you build a final working one?
[22:06] <piesquared> No, for wifi.
[22:06] <piesquared> Im gonna sell it.
[22:06] <Lartza> What does wifi have to do with anything?
[22:06] <piesquared> Theyll need a screen to select the wifi.
[22:07] <Lartza> Well you won't want to use a breadboard on any final product
[22:07] <piesquared> !!
[22:07] <Lartza> They are iffy at best even when developing
[22:07] <piesquared> It will be soldered.
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[22:07] <Lartza> That's what I said, test it before you solder
[22:07] <Lartza> Breadboards aren't soldered
[22:08] <piesquared> Well, i got a friend that will help.
[22:09] <Lartza> :)
[22:10] <Lartza> Remember that screens never use all the pins that they block from the RPi with their header
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[22:11] <Lartza> You could also just get a protoboard with a header, or solder a header to a protoboard
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